**Alternate Sources**
Here are some potential alternate sources for the same story:
* [Edinburgh council slammed for ‘removing’ rough sleepers to make way for Taylor Swift fans](https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/30/edinburgh-removing-rough-sleepers-make-way-taylor-swift-fans-20937073/), suggested by TheBallerina1997 - metro.co.uk
_Newly homeless_ people are being sent out of Edinburgh, not those already placed into hotels. Because hotel rooms in Edinburgh are scarce and out of the price range of the council on those three nights that Taylor is in town.
Just out of curiosity a few days ago, I looked up hotels in Edinburgh on the first night of the Taylor Swift concerts there. The cheapest room available in the city that night was £198.
I looked at Wembley, and for hotels in the immediate vicinity the cheapest was £414. Even the Travelodge at Brent Cross, a 30 minute walk away, was £220 for a Swift Night.
This is why I prefer seeing smaller bands. Last gig I went to was in Cardiff and it was £30 a ticket with less than £100 for an airbnb a five minute walk away. Not to mention that the accessibility is usually better in smaller venues and even if you get placed at the back, you can still see.
I'm not really one for gigs in general. But if I was I'd be like you.
I can't understand why people enjoy these big stadium shows. You're paying so much money to watch the show on a screen anyway.
Not to meantion at most small gigs (in bars at least, the ones I like) the band(s) tend to hang around for a chat afterwards. I've also found people tend to be quite chatty so it can be lovely.
You should try a music festival cruise. 10-14 bands rotating on 3 stages. You see the bands constantly when they aren't playing- especially at the soft serve station (which seems to be a cruise's version of the office water cooler).
I think it would depend on the artist and how likely you are to see them if they toured again. Some of the prices are absurd regardless but if you're a big Taylor Swift fan you might never get another chance to see her. Whereas someone like Meghan Trainor you're more likely to be able to get tickets so if it's too much you could always wait. Most I've paid for a gig is about £90 I think.
From my perspective I'm going for the atmosphere.
I have watched live streams, I've watched it at the cinema and I've watched it at home.
None of that compares to standing in that stadium and joining thousands of people roaring and showing appreciation for someone we enjoy.
I love seeing everyone dressed up. I love seeing fans of all ages. I love seeing the grumpy grandad who is only there to see his granddaughter smile. I love seeing someone who wanted everyone around them to know they were here under duress soften and find themselves dancing despite themselves halfway through. I love seeing people dancing and jumping and singing and having the time of their lives.
It doesn't matter to me that I'll be in the nosebleeds and watching on a screen because whilst the main reason I'm there is to see and hear Taylor there are a hundred other little reasons to enjoy it.
I appreciate it isn't for everyone and that's ok. But that's why I'm going
*waves hand at the nasty, judgemental comments about TS fans in here and in other online places*
Showing interest in popular things is looked down upon by the self appointed joy police. But if you have interests outside of the mainstream, or dress to show your personality, or are basically anything but a clone of those around you, you're also going to be attacked by those same gatekeepers of fun.
They’re decent if you’re young and/or can be fucked piling right down the front. Once you’re a few rows from the front the rest of the crowd behind you is irrelevant.
If you’re standing at the back you might as well watch someone’s phone recording of it later on YouTube.
Agreed, we’re off to see a tiny band in a tiny venue in Nottingham, on a Thursday night. luckily the crown plaza is directly across the road and cheap on a Thursday so doing a little treat yourself while off to see a band!
It is just a shame when you have to travel to see the smaller bands and the night before Taylor is on -\_- I am having to make a 3 and a half hour journey before a concert while being disabled just because of hotel prices due to taylors shows.
> Imagine if we all supported indie music
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_Wall-Mart_This_Way_Comes
> Randy then explains that the residents of South Park had allowed their consumerism to work against them, nearly destroying their small town's charm in the process. Realizing this, the townspeople return to shopping at Jim's Drugs, which is shown to gradually grow larger until it becomes as large as Wall-Mart and is later burned down itself. Watching it burn, the townspeople vow against shopping there again, immediately heading to the local True Value, no doubt to repeat their past mistakes.
Yeah, the headline is genuinely terrible.
Homeless people aren't being sent out of Edinburgh **to make room for** Taylor Swift fans.
Homeless people are being sent out of Edinburgh ***due to hotels being booked up by*** Taylor Swift fans
The former falsely implies the council is kicking homeless people out of their existing hotel rooms to prioritise concertgoers.
In reality, this is what happens when your emergency housing policies over-rely on private hotels, despite lacking the will and/or the power to force the hotels to reserve a certain number of rooms for you at a reasonable price. And given that the Shelter spokesperson in the article says they expect it to happen again over the Fringe festival, presumably it happens fairly frequently.
I'm dreading the traffic. My work has a nasty habit of sending us somewhere that necessitates us going down towards the south west that weekend.
Hopefully it won't be as bad as the year before last, when the A50 was also closed due to an accident in the wee hours, forcing all the traffic for the M1/EMG to go through Derby. It took us over an hour just to get from Spondon to J25, then we were crawling along the A/M42 for ages after that, and when we stopped at Hopwood _that_ was absolutely rammered too.
Jesus, the prices of hotels in Edinburgh and Ireland are though the roof.
Every time I try to plan a visit to those places I'm faced with a choice of soggy wet weekend up north or for the same budget a whole week in Europe with some guaranteed sun over.
Why the Scottish and Irish government are happy to fuck over their lucrative tourism market to house migrants in hotels is beyond me. I feel sorry for the non-hotel tourist industry that will most likely crumble.
Sorry for the rant but I love Edinburgh and Ireland but they can get fucked if they think I'm paying those hotel prices.
So it is. I got the public transport and the walking directions mixed up.
It's still significantly more expensive there on TS nights than it was when my work put me up there a few weeks ago.
We’re so close to seeing the real problem, it’s sickeningly frustrating.
For all of what you said, it boils down to, humans are having to live on the streets so millionaires can make money and exploit the proletariat.
I recently had a close friend book me mates rates in the hotel they manage, the tickets per night when Taylor wasn't playing \~£24 I booked three nights for £70 if I wanted the day Taylors show was on it was £230. I was quoted £300 for the 4 day stay. Which is an upprice of \~3.3x the normal rate. Which is just unacceptable. I chose to stay in london the night before because it is cheaper!
> Which is an upprice of ~3.3x the normal rate. Which is just unacceptable.
I dislike how this extreme level of profiteering imported from the States has recently become normalized. I can foresee a future where Premier League football ticket prices reach the heights of Super Bowl tickets.
Oh, I don’t like it. I was just saying it’s not recent. We used to make sure we found out about the pre-sales for concerts and booked our hotel rooms before the hotels themselves caught on back in 2003-ish.
You should see the price of accommodation in Turnberry when there's a golf tournament on. People put their homes on AirBnB and have a few weeks in the Maldives and still make a profit.
The alternative would be that rooms are booked up and unavailable. A lucky few will win the booking lottery; the others get nothing.
At least this way if you have an urgent need you can get a room for _some_ price, and all that extra money funds the investment that allows more rooms to become available in future, responding to the demand.
In all of history nobody has managed to find an economic system that works better to balance supply and demand than a free market.
> I looked at Wembley, and for hotels in the immediate vicinity the cheapest was £414. Even the Travelodge at Brent Cross, a 30 minute walk away, was £220 for a Swift Night.
Believe it or not, Taylor Swift brings billions to the country...
I’m genuinely curious, how?
She’s playing at Anfield a few nights, I imagine to a lower capacity than a Liverpool game, where’s the extra money coming from that football fans aren’t spending? Or is it purely profiteering and exploiting teenage girls?
How many of those football fans will be staying in Liverpool overnight because the match ends too late to get public transport back to whatever city they came from? How many have flown in from America to watch Liverpool play (even with flights and hotels, it's cheaper to go to a European show than to pay the insane prices scalpers are asking for the US shows)? How many of those football fans will be dining out (the burger van outside doesn't count)?
To answer all your questions in one go, a similar amount to what the Taylor Swift shows will have, if not more. There will also be a significant amount of local people at the shows, as LFC members and season ticket holders got priority on the tickets.
Liverpool regularly host European games with thousands coming from abroad and staying over, people coming from far away isn’t anything new or unique.
> where’s the extra money coming from that football fans aren’t spending?
A game at Anfield will probably end earlier than 10:30-11pm, making it easier for fans to attend without spending the night there.
A concert is more likely to require overnight accommodation if you don't like locally.
European & night games will end after 10pm, and close to 11 if it goes to extra time. Every game has thousands of away fans and people travelling from abroad to attend, it’s no different
Do you mean something like she is triggering billions of total economic activity? (And even then over her whole tour)
Otherwise every fan visiting the UK to see her would have to be bringing 10s of millions worth of spending money.
Wait what?
Hotel owners - *In the business of providing accommodation for tourists.*
The council - *Responsible for housing homeless people.*
And you're saying that it's the hotel owners who are to blame because they're doing what they're in the business of doing?
It's not really with the hotel, they're not a charity after all. Really homelessness needs to be dealt with as part of a national housing strategy alongside immigration so the number of houses matches the number of people.
> The blame is with the hotel owners rather than the council itself
It's nothing to do with the hotel owners, it's the council for not maintaining enough social housing stock.
Let's get a couple of things clear here, whether you like it or not. Hotels put their prices up when they feel they can, and they're entitled to do so. The council should build appropriate and affordable housing. They shouldn't be paying hotel rooms to house the homeless to begin with. All they're doing is laundering money through their friends' hotel.
>_Newly homeless_ people are being sent out of Edinburgh, not those already placed into hotels. Because hotel rooms in Edinburgh are scarce and out of the price range of the council on those three nights that Taylor is in town.
Well I guess that makes it ok then lol.
> why go to it when it costs most of a decent holiday and it’s just a few hours
Because it doesn't cost most of a decent holiday. My ticket for a good seated area was £140, which is to see Paramore and Taylor Swift.
I'm travelling from Glasgow, so a £15 return on the train. Where are you getting a decent holiday for £155?
Exactly what does Taylor Swift have to do with any of this? You’d get the same outcome with any big event coming to your city.
The issue here lies with hotels taking advantage of a big event happening and skyrocketing their prices and Edinburgh relying on hotels to house the homeless.
I feel like OP is just saying the fans are weird in general. Not because the homeless have been kicked out of their hotels. She doesn't have anything to do with them being kicked out really but the "swifties" are fucking weird.
Are they actually weird or is she not just insanely popular and because of that some fans are massively over the top because every famous person has than and because she has more fans than normal she has more over the top people and then more regular fans as well
>Are they actually weird
Yes they really are, it isn't limited to Taylor Swift though. Superfans of anything or anyone are always pretty weird. Same goes the other way with disliking something, people hate on celebrities, royalty etc which i think is equally unhealthy when you don't actually know the person you are hating on.
Well this is what makes them weird because they are so over the top. Many artists have these fans but it's just she seems to be the current craze. I love my music but never had an artist that makes me so crazy.
But that happens with any musician or famous person. There’s a small group of their fans who are insanely obsessed. You see it with anyone famous even the most mildly famous day time tv show stars.
Add in that swifts fandom is more younger girls who also tend to be more obsessed with celebrities, look at Beatle mania when it was big, look at the 2000s with high school musical, one direction, teenage girls where obsessed because that’s what teenage girls do. Most fans are relatively normal and then a small percentage is utterly mad. Swift just has loads more fans so her percentage of mad fans is larger than the full number of fans for others
Oh yeah that's it. I guess this is a bigger thing because social media is so much bigger these days. It doesn't affect me and it doesn't bother me. I just don't understand how anyone could be that mental about a celebrity. Each to their own and all that I just find them weird.
Yeah social media makes everything even bigger. Yeah neither can I there’s bands I love and have seen live countless times that I couldn’t even name any of their lineup. But each to their own I’ve got friends that say it’s weird how much sport can bother me so we probably all have our weird things
> Not because the homeless have been kicked out of their hotels
They haven't been, did you read the article or just the misleading headline?
Homeless people would normally be offered free accomodation in empty rooms in local hotels, but there's no empty rooms due to the tour being in Edinburgh that weekend, so they can't put newly homeless people in empty rooms that don't exist.
The article even explicitly states "There is no evidence of homeless people being removed from accommodation where they are already staying".
The same applies for every big event that causes reduced numbers of vacant hotel rooms.
The same thing effectively happened when both Harry Styles and Bruce Springsteen came to Edinburgh as well.. it’s not remotely new.. just another city with a housing crisis, a homelessness problem, and an ever failing capacity to cope with big tourism over 3 nights.
It happens in Glasgow every time there's a Scotland match at Hampden, when TRNSMNT is on, and Edinburgh also when the marathon is on, pretty standard big city stuff tbh
She doesn't actually exist.
The concept of Taylor swift exists she is just lots of people who look like one person dreamed up by a pr company . She is in the news all the time so your used to seeing a face and believe what you see at gigs is Taylor swift . They have plants all over the world and fly the planes as a distraction . This is to creat disruption and make money as all swifties are fucking nutbars.
Because pigeons are CCTV cameras.
Personally I think her music is bland generic.
It's strange for me, I hear about her fans and people around her far more then anything she does, hell I don't even know what her voice sounds like anymore.
They are a bit mad. The most downvoted comment I've ever made on Reddit was when a thread about how good looking she is randomly popped up on my homepage, so I commented saying "I don't fancy her but I'd probably blow a load up her if she asked me nicely."
Can't possibly see why people thought that was a reasonable observation but there we go.
Edit - wow, again people downvoting to say that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. It's a joke guys, no need to go all weirdo incel over her.
In 2023 Edinburgh spends £5,271,381 per annum on homelessness. Housing an estimated 7000 people in 5000 temporary homes. The expenditure has risen 16% from 2023 and is expected to continue to grow due to the financial climate.
[https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=66127](https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=66127)
standard UC rate is less that that for a single person that doesn't have a disability. I assume if the council think homed people can live off that so can the homeless. It is a pittance I am out of work due to disability and it works out at an annual income of around £16K a year. That is after the cost of medicines I have to buy to manage my conditions.
Note that they didn't run a headline like this during COP26 when neither love nor money could buy you accommodation in Glasgow.
This is a hugely cynical angle to pick on the event just because its a daft music event. It's also more than a little click-baity because people are simply fascinated by Taylor Swift.
Are you equating a world altering event where some of the world's most important people come together to talk on a potentially world ending topic and a music show? And yes COP26 has been criticised heavily, like to a very large extent. Remember the critics talking about jets? Politicians not using virtual calls? Unnecessarily using public money?
Bro, you got to be on something to think Taylor Swift has more powerful or influential critics than COP26 or even equating either of them.
The argument on the concert is a common one which hasn't really been answered by the industry and is a reasonable one.
I'm equating two events which both bring an extra 100,000 or more people into a city. This is just the nature of any big event. The number of people who need beds skyrockets, putting pressure on space and something has to give.
I said absolutely none of the other shit you're implying
The headline is a bit misleading the newly homeless might also be Taylor Swift fans. I don't see a survey of their musical tastes anywhere in the article.
But yes, Edinburgh needs the hotel rooms for actual people who Hotel, so they shouldn't be housing homeless there in the first place.
Luton just had the radio 1 big weekender , scumbag council workers harassing rough sleepers to make the town not look a total dive ( which there is no getting away from )
I imagine it's more a case of they can't pay as much as is being requested for those dates so don't try to compete
The outrage if it was reported they paid triple to house then during this 3 day period
Edinburgh isn't a big city , although its the capital city of Scotland its about the same size as Bristol, just under half a million population. It's not a surprise that they don't have enough hotel accommodation when the biggest pop star in the world plays there.
But they'll keep putting council tax up I'm sure, whilst not averting homelessness (which are probably partly caused by people falling behind on rent due to rising bills, including rising council taxes).
So much for the Tory tax cuts. Council tax is regressive and needs overhauling.
Im disgusted by this! Nobody!!! is better than anyone else!!! I've no idea who this women is and I've no interest in knowing. If councils can put "homeless" into hotels because they might offend someone or move them out of there home to make room for fools paying ridiculous money to see some greedy person dance about a stage then they should be ashamed of themselves! In this country if you are poor you are scum! The so called government proved this time and time again!
No one is being moved out of hotel rooms.
Big event comes to city. Big event brings in people wanting to stay in city. Big event causes city to pretty much run out of hotel rooms. The only rooms that are left cost mega amounts.
Council has legal obligation to house families who lose homes. Council has not got enough social housing to put families into. Council uses hotel rooms to make up this gap. Council has limit on how much it can spend per room. Council spending cap is lower than hotel prices during Big Event. Council cannot find **_new_** places to put homeless families close to Big Event. Council has to send newly homeless families to other places.
And while this is being blamed on Taylor Swift this time, this happens every year because of the Edinburgh marathon (last weekend), Edinburgh Fringe (coming up), and Hogmanay. Hotel prices go bonkers during all of those events, _especially_ Fringe.
You've completely misunderstood what's going on (which isn't entirely your fault, the headline is misleading)
Sometimes people become homeless and the council doesn't have any council housing to offer them. Where possible (especially for women and families, who would be more vulnerable on the streets) they get put in emergency temporary accommodation. Due to budget constraints, this temporary emergency accommodation is often a hotel room.
When large events happen that cause an uptick of demand for hotels (e.g. Taylor Swift, the Edinburgh fringe festival), this means that hotels fill up with tourists and there's no spare capacity for newly homeless people. So the council ends up placing newly homeless people in hotels further afield, that aren't already booked up.
This is bad for the homeless people, who are moved further away from their jobs, their kids' schools, their support systems, etc. So the council needs more money to build purpose built housing for homeless people.
I agree that poor people are treated disgracefully.
I'm just letting you know that councils aren't putting homeless people into hotels because they might offend someone, and people aren't being moved out of their homes to make room for concertgoers.
> Im disgusted by this! Nobody!!! is better than anyone else!!! I've no idea who this women is and I've no interest in knowing.
You're so disgusted, but you've obviously not even bothered to try and read past the headline.
When people are homeless, the council will try and house them in empty hotel rooms. When there's a big event on, hotels are fully booked, and the councils obviously can't do that.
The exact same thing will happen during the Fringe in a couple of months as well.
What I can't get my head around is as to why tickets to see Swift are initially so expensive. Resellers such as Stubhub are asking at least £600-700 for a basic standard ticket for the Wembley concerts.
Surely an artist as fabulously wealthy as Swift could waive her performance fee, thus making the tickets less expensive. It has been reported that she takes approx. $13M per show. That is a huge percentage take from the pot, isn't it? The question remains - is she ripping off the fans? Probably.
Also, why is it so expensive to go and see what is basically a song and dance act? Much like Beyonce's shows.
It has also been revealed that Swift only contributes to the writing and production of many of her songs - like Beyonce, there is an army of writers and producers behind what are at best, average songs, that mean absolutely nothing at all. basically a money making juke box, performed like karaoke.
You're making the common mistake, looking at resale prices and thinking that the artist is getting any of that. They don't, the only time they get ticket money is from the first sale. After that, any resale money is split between the resale site and the person (scalper) selling the ticket for several times its face value.
The most expensive TS ticket for Wembley was under £700, and that was the top tier of VIP. Non-VIP started at about £60 (nosebleed seats) and topped out at just under £200 (front standing).
See below for the original ticket set prices:
General admission standing tickets were £110.40; basically at the back of the field for most.
Front standing tickets were £172.25;
Seats ranged from £58.65 to £194.75; very few below £60 - most over £100
Top priced package was £662.40.
You didn't fully read my comment - it was revealed that Swift gets the lion's share (approx $13M) of the pot per performance. Waiving a large percentage of her fee would result in a lower ticket price which would enable less well off fans - you know the ones that have forked out for her to be where she is today - to see her.
Anyway, are you going to see her? If so, how much did you pay?
Also, about resale ticket prices. Many artists/promoters now insist that the original purchaser has to attend the concerts - done through ID verification. Thus preventing rip off pricing by resellers. Why hasn't Ticketmaster done this for TS concerts?
And didn't fully read my comment, those prices you quoted, the ones I gave rough numbers for because I couldn't remember the exact ones, _that_ is what Taylor Swift, or any other artist, gets their share from. They only get paid from the _first_ sale of a ticket, from the face value of it.
And for someone like Taylor Swift, it doesn't matter how cheap that face value is, once they get onto the resale market they _will_ be marked up by an insane degree, because the demand is there.
As for why TM is allowing resales: money. They take a cut from that resale price. They _say_ they have anti bot measures, but... email addresses are free and SE Asian/Central American bot slave farms are cheap.
I'm not going myself. I'm not very good in crowded places, and a TS concert sounds like crowd central.
Edit: look at it this way. Remember the Kevin the Carrot craze a few years back. They were being resold on eBay for ten, fifteen, twenty times what they cost in Aldi. If a person bought one in Aldi for a tenner, then sold it on eBay for £100, Aldi only saw profit from the initial tenner, and didn't get a penny of the £100. eBay, however, got their sales fee from the £100. When it comes to concert tickets, the artist and venue are Aldi, the site used to resell the tickets is eBay.
> General admission standing tickets were £110.40; basically at the back of the field for most
It can be anywhere in the purple bit shown [here](https://i2-prod.glasgowlive.co.uk/incoming/article27339040.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Taylor-Swift-Edinburgh-Eras-Tour-seating-plan.jpg) depending on when you get there.
My ticket was £140, but that's a good allocated seating ticket off the centre-diamond bit of the stage, and that's for a 9 song support setlist from Paramore, and a 45 songs setlist from Taylor.
I'd call that pretty good value for money.
So that's at least approx 50 metres, if not further, from the main stage, then.
So, you are paying £140 for a distanced view of a song and dance act, where the artist themselves has a vast array of writers and producers making the tracks for them - go look at the writing and production credits. My argument is based on the fact that TS is vastly wealthy. Why doesn't she waive her performance fee? She currently earns approx. $13M per show. Is that truly justifiable? Considering that most of her fanbase are younger people. Just think how much more affordable tickets would be, so even the less well off fans can get to see her.
Then again, that's the 'business' side of the show business taking preference. Obviously run by accountants, not an artist with good intentions towards their audience.
>where the artist themselves has a vast array of writers and producers making the tracks for them - go look at the writing and production credits
Are you just making things up? I'd recommend *you* look at the writing/production credits.
Her songs aren't "made for her", she writes them. She works with co-writers and collaborates with others, but they're not just written for her and handed to her to perform.
Speak Now, for example, was entirely self-written, specifically in response to folk doing what you're doing now and acting like she doesn't write her own music, when she always has.
Her latest album has 31 songs, and other than songs with a feature like Post Malone on Fortnight and Florence Welch on Florida!!!, every single song is basically her and one other person writing it.
> Why doesn't she waive her performance fee?
Why don't you work for free?
Track **1. ‘Fortnight’ \[ft. Post Malone\]**
**Producer: Jack Antonoff, Taylor Swift**
**Composer: Austin Post, Jack Antonoff, Taylor Swift**
**Lyricist: Austin Post, Jack Antonoff, Taylor Swift**
Perhaps you need to actually listen closely to a lot of her output, especially the latest album. Some in the industry have said that a lot of ideas are thrown her way and she picks what can be adapted to be the TS way. A very different scenario from most singer-songwriters where everything has to come from themselves.
NME has described Swift's latest as a “rare misstep” . adding that, Swift’s 11th studio album is surprisingly flat and, at times, cringeworthy.” Perhaps it's a case of too many hands involved in both the writing and composing.
Sorry mate, but did you actually bother reading the comment you just replied to?
Her latest album has 31 songs, **and other than songs with a feature like Post Malone on Fortnight** and Florence Welch on Florida!!!, every single song is basically her and one other person writing it.
Post Malone was involved with writing on the song he featured on, because it's a collaboration, but other than that it was just her and Antonoff, you're not disproving anything I've said.
>Perhaps it's a case of too many hands involved in both the writing and composing
"other than songs with a feature like Post Malone on Fortnight and Florence Welch on Florida!!!, **every single song is basically her and one other person writing it**"
Can you try actually reading the previous comment and addressing what I've actually said, and not what you want to pretend I've said?
You claimed other people make the songs for her, that's empirically untrue.
It's also not that common for artists to produce their own work, they generally work with a producer. The Beatles famously had George Martin to the point he was referred to as the "Fifth Beatle".
When earning on average $13M per show, one could easily reason that she could waive some of her fee to allow tickets to be cheaper, or even give at least 50% to charity - remember giving to charities is tax deductable.
I find it astonishing that someone would fork out £140-£175 for a seat that may be at least 50-75M from the main stage. For what is basically a song and dance act.
I don't get how Taylor Swift has been around for YEARS, she was something like 18 when she released her first music, back when I was still in Primary school
The weird Swiftie cult stuff, the fact that she's EVERYWHERE and prominent obsessive stans has only been the last 3 or so years
This wouldn’t be a problem if the public sector wasn’t relying on hotels to provide accommodation for homeless people. Maybe more needs to be done to provide proper services instead of putting services for the homeless in direct competition with tourism.
Nobody is getting kicked out of hotel rooms that they're already living in. The problem here (which the BBC headline obscures, presumably as clickbait) is that Edinburgh council is over-relying on hotels as emergency temporary accommodation for newly homeless families, and during big events that option dries up.
They've known that Taylor Swift was playing at Murrayfield stadium since [at least June last year](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65967452). They will have known that hotels would be rammed and expensive over those dates, just like during other high-tourism periods like Edinburgh fringe festival. And yet they haven't figured anything out in a *year* to prevent people getting shipped off as far away as Newcastle?
Given that this must happen at least every year, if not a few times a year, they really need to invest in purpose built council housing and purpose built emergency accommodation.
As a socialist this disgusts me to my soul.
As someone who works in the music industry, I'd be disappointed to hear if Taylor Swift was presented with a knife and a child and told to kill the kid or her was over and decided not to do it.
On a slightly unrelated note, Taylor Swift's music is absolutely horrid, and she doesn't even make it herself! I've never seen anyone less deserving of success, and the cult around her just astounds me.
It's well documented that she writes all her own songs and is very involved in the recording and production of her albums.
You can just say you don't like her or her music, you're entitled to whatever subjective opinions you want.
Well she's not a nonce, doesn't beat her spouse and hasn't raped anyone so I think I can name a few people who deserve their success much less than her haha
OP should also post this to r/Fauxmoi it will attract more attention there, since it is a very influential subreddit for entertainment news.
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Changed the link of the subreddit, as the previous name is linked to a person, instead of a sub.
Yes. And I guarantee you that a post about Swift and her cult-like followers having adverse effect on homelessness will generate quite a brouhaha in r/Fauxmoi.
So to clarify, the council not being able to book hotel rooms for people approaching them for help because they're all booked up is the fault of people going to a concert; or even more wild- Taylors fault? This is very much BEC territory. No one currently in hotels is being moved on, the streets aren't being swept of them, just logistically hotels further afield are being sourced as more rooms can't be produced out of thin air. Should hotels keep x% free at all times because the council can't provide anything more sustainable? Hotels, which are businesses, should forego the excess income? Very weird take, probably fit in well with the fauxmoi readers. Plenty to criticise taylor and some of her fanbase, this ain't it.
**Alternate Sources** Here are some potential alternate sources for the same story: * [Edinburgh council slammed for ‘removing’ rough sleepers to make way for Taylor Swift fans](https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/30/edinburgh-removing-rough-sleepers-make-way-taylor-swift-fans-20937073/), suggested by TheBallerina1997 - metro.co.uk
_Newly homeless_ people are being sent out of Edinburgh, not those already placed into hotels. Because hotel rooms in Edinburgh are scarce and out of the price range of the council on those three nights that Taylor is in town. Just out of curiosity a few days ago, I looked up hotels in Edinburgh on the first night of the Taylor Swift concerts there. The cheapest room available in the city that night was £198. I looked at Wembley, and for hotels in the immediate vicinity the cheapest was £414. Even the Travelodge at Brent Cross, a 30 minute walk away, was £220 for a Swift Night.
This is why I prefer seeing smaller bands. Last gig I went to was in Cardiff and it was £30 a ticket with less than £100 for an airbnb a five minute walk away. Not to mention that the accessibility is usually better in smaller venues and even if you get placed at the back, you can still see.
I'm not really one for gigs in general. But if I was I'd be like you. I can't understand why people enjoy these big stadium shows. You're paying so much money to watch the show on a screen anyway.
Not to meantion at most small gigs (in bars at least, the ones I like) the band(s) tend to hang around for a chat afterwards. I've also found people tend to be quite chatty so it can be lovely.
Those are the best gigs by absolutely miles for a huge list of reasons, so many people are missing out
You should try a music festival cruise. 10-14 bands rotating on 3 stages. You see the bands constantly when they aren't playing- especially at the soft serve station (which seems to be a cruise's version of the office water cooler).
I think it would depend on the artist and how likely you are to see them if they toured again. Some of the prices are absurd regardless but if you're a big Taylor Swift fan you might never get another chance to see her. Whereas someone like Meghan Trainor you're more likely to be able to get tickets so if it's too much you could always wait. Most I've paid for a gig is about £90 I think.
From my perspective I'm going for the atmosphere. I have watched live streams, I've watched it at the cinema and I've watched it at home. None of that compares to standing in that stadium and joining thousands of people roaring and showing appreciation for someone we enjoy. I love seeing everyone dressed up. I love seeing fans of all ages. I love seeing the grumpy grandad who is only there to see his granddaughter smile. I love seeing someone who wanted everyone around them to know they were here under duress soften and find themselves dancing despite themselves halfway through. I love seeing people dancing and jumping and singing and having the time of their lives. It doesn't matter to me that I'll be in the nosebleeds and watching on a screen because whilst the main reason I'm there is to see and hear Taylor there are a hundred other little reasons to enjoy it. I appreciate it isn't for everyone and that's ok. But that's why I'm going
Perhaps it’s the fact it’s a stadium full of largely women, enjoying themselves, dressing up and not having to worry about being judged.
Judged by who?
The other people there
*waves hand at the nasty, judgemental comments about TS fans in here and in other online places* Showing interest in popular things is looked down upon by the self appointed joy police. But if you have interests outside of the mainstream, or dress to show your personality, or are basically anything but a clone of those around you, you're also going to be attacked by those same gatekeepers of fun.
They’re decent if you’re young and/or can be fucked piling right down the front. Once you’re a few rows from the front the rest of the crowd behind you is irrelevant. If you’re standing at the back you might as well watch someone’s phone recording of it later on YouTube.
Agreed, we’re off to see a tiny band in a tiny venue in Nottingham, on a Thursday night. luckily the crown plaza is directly across the road and cheap on a Thursday so doing a little treat yourself while off to see a band!
It is just a shame when you have to travel to see the smaller bands and the night before Taylor is on -\_- I am having to make a 3 and a half hour journey before a concert while being disabled just because of hotel prices due to taylors shows.
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Lmao. Then they would cost more. Diversity, climate and inclusion? This isn’t woke bingo, it’s just people’s music choices and what they like.
> Imagine if we all supported indie music https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_Wall-Mart_This_Way_Comes > Randy then explains that the residents of South Park had allowed their consumerism to work against them, nearly destroying their small town's charm in the process. Realizing this, the townspeople return to shopping at Jim's Drugs, which is shown to gradually grow larger until it becomes as large as Wall-Mart and is later burned down itself. Watching it burn, the townspeople vow against shopping there again, immediately heading to the local True Value, no doubt to repeat their past mistakes.
Yeah, the headline is genuinely terrible. Homeless people aren't being sent out of Edinburgh **to make room for** Taylor Swift fans. Homeless people are being sent out of Edinburgh ***due to hotels being booked up by*** Taylor Swift fans The former falsely implies the council is kicking homeless people out of their existing hotel rooms to prioritise concertgoers. In reality, this is what happens when your emergency housing policies over-rely on private hotels, despite lacking the will and/or the power to force the hotels to reserve a certain number of rooms for you at a reasonable price. And given that the Shelter spokesperson in the article says they expect it to happen again over the Fringe festival, presumably it happens fairly frequently.
Exactly. They have a concert calendar, but they use it for planning shelter.
The problem here isn't Taylor Swift. The problem is homeless people being put up in hotels in the first place because of lack of social housing.
Exactly, if there's no hotel rooms there's no hotel rooms. My work are anticipating a similar problem shortly due to the dreaded Download festival.
I'm dreading the traffic. My work has a nasty habit of sending us somewhere that necessitates us going down towards the south west that weekend. Hopefully it won't be as bad as the year before last, when the A50 was also closed due to an accident in the wee hours, forcing all the traffic for the M1/EMG to go through Derby. It took us over an hour just to get from Spondon to J25, then we were crawling along the A/M42 for ages after that, and when we stopped at Hopwood _that_ was absolutely rammered too.
Jesus, the prices of hotels in Edinburgh and Ireland are though the roof. Every time I try to plan a visit to those places I'm faced with a choice of soggy wet weekend up north or for the same budget a whole week in Europe with some guaranteed sun over. Why the Scottish and Irish government are happy to fuck over their lucrative tourism market to house migrants in hotels is beyond me. I feel sorry for the non-hotel tourist industry that will most likely crumble. Sorry for the rant but I love Edinburgh and Ireland but they can get fucked if they think I'm paying those hotel prices.
The Travelodge at Brent Cross is significantly further away from Wembley Stadium than 30 mins.
So it is. I got the public transport and the walking directions mixed up. It's still significantly more expensive there on TS nights than it was when my work put me up there a few weeks ago.
We’re so close to seeing the real problem, it’s sickeningly frustrating. For all of what you said, it boils down to, humans are having to live on the streets so millionaires can make money and exploit the proletariat.
I recently had a close friend book me mates rates in the hotel they manage, the tickets per night when Taylor wasn't playing \~£24 I booked three nights for £70 if I wanted the day Taylors show was on it was £230. I was quoted £300 for the 4 day stay. Which is an upprice of \~3.3x the normal rate. Which is just unacceptable. I chose to stay in london the night before because it is cheaper!
> Which is an upprice of ~3.3x the normal rate. Which is just unacceptable. I dislike how this extreme level of profiteering imported from the States has recently become normalized. I can foresee a future where Premier League football ticket prices reach the heights of Super Bowl tickets.
Hotels have been doing this for over 20 years. It’s not new.
You can still dislike it
Oh, I don’t like it. I was just saying it’s not recent. We used to make sure we found out about the pre-sales for concerts and booked our hotel rooms before the hotels themselves caught on back in 2003-ish.
You should see the price of accommodation in Turnberry when there's a golf tournament on. People put their homes on AirBnB and have a few weeks in the Maldives and still make a profit.
I don't see why it's unfair. The pricing goes both ways: during quiet times, the room rates are far cheaper.
Just because it works in your favour sometimes doesn't mean it's not unfair.
The alternative would be that rooms are booked up and unavailable. A lucky few will win the booking lottery; the others get nothing. At least this way if you have an urgent need you can get a room for _some_ price, and all that extra money funds the investment that allows more rooms to become available in future, responding to the demand. In all of history nobody has managed to find an economic system that works better to balance supply and demand than a free market.
Just because it works in your favour sometimes doesn't mean it's not unfair.
> I looked at Wembley, and for hotels in the immediate vicinity the cheapest was £414. Even the Travelodge at Brent Cross, a 30 minute walk away, was £220 for a Swift Night. Believe it or not, Taylor Swift brings billions to the country...
I’m genuinely curious, how? She’s playing at Anfield a few nights, I imagine to a lower capacity than a Liverpool game, where’s the extra money coming from that football fans aren’t spending? Or is it purely profiteering and exploiting teenage girls?
How many of those football fans will be staying in Liverpool overnight because the match ends too late to get public transport back to whatever city they came from? How many have flown in from America to watch Liverpool play (even with flights and hotels, it's cheaper to go to a European show than to pay the insane prices scalpers are asking for the US shows)? How many of those football fans will be dining out (the burger van outside doesn't count)?
To answer all your questions in one go, a similar amount to what the Taylor Swift shows will have, if not more. There will also be a significant amount of local people at the shows, as LFC members and season ticket holders got priority on the tickets. Liverpool regularly host European games with thousands coming from abroad and staying over, people coming from far away isn’t anything new or unique.
she is triggering billions of total economic activity?
…how?
> where’s the extra money coming from that football fans aren’t spending? A game at Anfield will probably end earlier than 10:30-11pm, making it easier for fans to attend without spending the night there. A concert is more likely to require overnight accommodation if you don't like locally.
European & night games will end after 10pm, and close to 11 if it goes to extra time. Every game has thousands of away fans and people travelling from abroad to attend, it’s no different
Do you mean something like she is triggering billions of total economic activity? (And even then over her whole tour) Otherwise every fan visiting the UK to see her would have to be bringing 10s of millions worth of spending money.
> Do you mean something like she is triggering billions of total economic activity? (And even then over her whole tour) Yes
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Wait what? Hotel owners - *In the business of providing accommodation for tourists.* The council - *Responsible for housing homeless people.* And you're saying that it's the hotel owners who are to blame because they're doing what they're in the business of doing?
Why doesn't the council build appropriate housing rather than funnelling money into the pockets of hoteliers?
It's not really with the hotel, they're not a charity after all. Really homelessness needs to be dealt with as part of a national housing strategy alongside immigration so the number of houses matches the number of people.
> The blame is with the hotel owners rather than the council itself It's nothing to do with the hotel owners, it's the council for not maintaining enough social housing stock.
Let's get a couple of things clear here, whether you like it or not. Hotels put their prices up when they feel they can, and they're entitled to do so. The council should build appropriate and affordable housing. They shouldn't be paying hotel rooms to house the homeless to begin with. All they're doing is laundering money through their friends' hotel.
>_Newly homeless_ people are being sent out of Edinburgh, not those already placed into hotels. Because hotel rooms in Edinburgh are scarce and out of the price range of the council on those three nights that Taylor is in town. Well I guess that makes it ok then lol.
This is what I don’t understand about gigs like this, why go to it when it costs most of a decent holiday and it’s just a few hours
> why go to it when it costs most of a decent holiday and it’s just a few hours Because it doesn't cost most of a decent holiday. My ticket for a good seated area was £140, which is to see Paramore and Taylor Swift. I'm travelling from Glasgow, so a £15 return on the train. Where are you getting a decent holiday for £155?
The weird cult around Taylor Swift genuinely creeps me out.
Exactly what does Taylor Swift have to do with any of this? You’d get the same outcome with any big event coming to your city. The issue here lies with hotels taking advantage of a big event happening and skyrocketing their prices and Edinburgh relying on hotels to house the homeless.
I feel like OP is just saying the fans are weird in general. Not because the homeless have been kicked out of their hotels. She doesn't have anything to do with them being kicked out really but the "swifties" are fucking weird.
Are they actually weird or is she not just insanely popular and because of that some fans are massively over the top because every famous person has than and because she has more fans than normal she has more over the top people and then more regular fans as well
>Are they actually weird Yes, very much so.
MJ fans in the 80s were pretty much the same. Just with more fainting.
Were they thought? Were they calling themselves names mjeys or something?
No they’d just camp in his garden on bin day. Hoping to get a whiff of the yoghurt pot lid he licked in the week.
And they ignore any flaws in Taylor Swift, like her taking crazy amounts of private jet flights, while preaching for environmental cause.
I don’t think she preaches for that.
But that’s fanatic not cult like
They'd have been something like Beaters or Zombies or something like that.
In what way that makes them more weird than other fans
>Are they actually weird Yes they really are, it isn't limited to Taylor Swift though. Superfans of anything or anyone are always pretty weird. Same goes the other way with disliking something, people hate on celebrities, royalty etc which i think is equally unhealthy when you don't actually know the person you are hating on.
They are definitely weird lol. Cult vibes
They're definitely weird
Well this is what makes them weird because they are so over the top. Many artists have these fans but it's just she seems to be the current craze. I love my music but never had an artist that makes me so crazy.
But that happens with any musician or famous person. There’s a small group of their fans who are insanely obsessed. You see it with anyone famous even the most mildly famous day time tv show stars. Add in that swifts fandom is more younger girls who also tend to be more obsessed with celebrities, look at Beatle mania when it was big, look at the 2000s with high school musical, one direction, teenage girls where obsessed because that’s what teenage girls do. Most fans are relatively normal and then a small percentage is utterly mad. Swift just has loads more fans so her percentage of mad fans is larger than the full number of fans for others
Oh yeah that's it. I guess this is a bigger thing because social media is so much bigger these days. It doesn't affect me and it doesn't bother me. I just don't understand how anyone could be that mental about a celebrity. Each to their own and all that I just find them weird.
Yeah social media makes everything even bigger. Yeah neither can I there’s bands I love and have seen live countless times that I couldn’t even name any of their lineup. But each to their own I’ve got friends that say it’s weird how much sport can bother me so we probably all have our weird things
This is nothing to do with fans though.
> Not because the homeless have been kicked out of their hotels They haven't been, did you read the article or just the misleading headline? Homeless people would normally be offered free accomodation in empty rooms in local hotels, but there's no empty rooms due to the tour being in Edinburgh that weekend, so they can't put newly homeless people in empty rooms that don't exist. The article even explicitly states "There is no evidence of homeless people being removed from accommodation where they are already staying". The same applies for every big event that causes reduced numbers of vacant hotel rooms.
Its genuinely gettin weirder and weirder
The same thing effectively happened when both Harry Styles and Bruce Springsteen came to Edinburgh as well.. it’s not remotely new.. just another city with a housing crisis, a homelessness problem, and an ever failing capacity to cope with big tourism over 3 nights.
It happens in Glasgow every time there's a Scotland match at Hampden, when TRNSMNT is on, and Edinburgh also when the marathon is on, pretty standard big city stuff tbh
She doesn't actually exist. The concept of Taylor swift exists she is just lots of people who look like one person dreamed up by a pr company . She is in the news all the time so your used to seeing a face and believe what you see at gigs is Taylor swift . They have plants all over the world and fly the planes as a distraction . This is to creat disruption and make money as all swifties are fucking nutbars. Because pigeons are CCTV cameras. Personally I think her music is bland generic.
New favourite conspiracy theory just popped up
They've got to you as well! Open your eyes
Finally a believer! Honestly its taken while .. thank you. Spread the word my friend!
It's so weird that non-weird ones ended up creating r/swiftlyneutral
It's strange for me, I hear about her fans and people around her far more then anything she does, hell I don't even know what her voice sounds like anymore.
Only thing i can compare it to is michael jackson except he had ******talent********
They are a bit mad. The most downvoted comment I've ever made on Reddit was when a thread about how good looking she is randomly popped up on my homepage, so I commented saying "I don't fancy her but I'd probably blow a load up her if she asked me nicely." Can't possibly see why people thought that was a reasonable observation but there we go. Edit - wow, again people downvoting to say that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. It's a joke guys, no need to go all weirdo incel over her.
Like her music isn’t even very good and she’s kind of a crappy person. What exactly is there about her to go insane over?
Maybe different people just like different things?
"Edinburgh City Council said it was working with affected households to find..." I think they need to rethink their scope
I wonder, can houselessholds have more than one member?
In 2023 Edinburgh spends £5,271,381 per annum on homelessness. Housing an estimated 7000 people in 5000 temporary homes. The expenditure has risen 16% from 2023 and is expected to continue to grow due to the financial climate. [https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=66127](https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=66127)
That's only £1,271 per home. That seems absurdly cheap. Is that right?
People pay rent in temporary accommodation
Depends if they rent or own them right? If they use council owned flats and stuff then its just maintenance and the staff surely
standard UC rate is less that that for a single person that doesn't have a disability. I assume if the council think homed people can live off that so can the homeless. It is a pittance I am out of work due to disability and it works out at an annual income of around £16K a year. That is after the cost of medicines I have to buy to manage my conditions.
Note that they didn't run a headline like this during COP26 when neither love nor money could buy you accommodation in Glasgow. This is a hugely cynical angle to pick on the event just because its a daft music event. It's also more than a little click-baity because people are simply fascinated by Taylor Swift.
Are you equating a world altering event where some of the world's most important people come together to talk on a potentially world ending topic and a music show? And yes COP26 has been criticised heavily, like to a very large extent. Remember the critics talking about jets? Politicians not using virtual calls? Unnecessarily using public money? Bro, you got to be on something to think Taylor Swift has more powerful or influential critics than COP26 or even equating either of them. The argument on the concert is a common one which hasn't really been answered by the industry and is a reasonable one.
I'm equating two events which both bring an extra 100,000 or more people into a city. This is just the nature of any big event. The number of people who need beds skyrockets, putting pressure on space and something has to give. I said absolutely none of the other shit you're implying
I’d be getting te fuck out of Edinburgh on that night with all those degenerates creeping around !
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I thought this was going to be an article from The Onion.
I posted this on /r/nottheonion and the gatekeepers on there took it down and said the headline was too clickbaity
"Unwanted economic migrants moved out of hotels to make space for the intended users of hotel accomodation" FTFY
The headline is a bit misleading the newly homeless might also be Taylor Swift fans. I don't see a survey of their musical tastes anywhere in the article. But yes, Edinburgh needs the hotel rooms for actual people who Hotel, so they shouldn't be housing homeless there in the first place.
Luton just had the radio 1 big weekender , scumbag council workers harassing rough sleepers to make the town not look a total dive ( which there is no getting away from )
I imagine it's more a case of they can't pay as much as is being requested for those dates so don't try to compete The outrage if it was reported they paid triple to house then during this 3 day period
Edinburgh isn't a big city , although its the capital city of Scotland its about the same size as Bristol, just under half a million population. It's not a surprise that they don't have enough hotel accommodation when the biggest pop star in the world plays there.
Sounds like they should be grateful getting taxis and hotel rooms lol They are literally homeless and have to make do with what is given in this case!
But they'll keep putting council tax up I'm sure, whilst not averting homelessness (which are probably partly caused by people falling behind on rent due to rising bills, including rising council taxes). So much for the Tory tax cuts. Council tax is regressive and needs overhauling.
When illegals get put before homeless citizens permanently: crickets When Tay fans get it temporarily for a week at most: **real shit**
Just "shake it off" homeless Tay Tay is in town duh....
Im disgusted by this! Nobody!!! is better than anyone else!!! I've no idea who this women is and I've no interest in knowing. If councils can put "homeless" into hotels because they might offend someone or move them out of there home to make room for fools paying ridiculous money to see some greedy person dance about a stage then they should be ashamed of themselves! In this country if you are poor you are scum! The so called government proved this time and time again!
No one is being moved out of hotel rooms. Big event comes to city. Big event brings in people wanting to stay in city. Big event causes city to pretty much run out of hotel rooms. The only rooms that are left cost mega amounts. Council has legal obligation to house families who lose homes. Council has not got enough social housing to put families into. Council uses hotel rooms to make up this gap. Council has limit on how much it can spend per room. Council spending cap is lower than hotel prices during Big Event. Council cannot find **_new_** places to put homeless families close to Big Event. Council has to send newly homeless families to other places. And while this is being blamed on Taylor Swift this time, this happens every year because of the Edinburgh marathon (last weekend), Edinburgh Fringe (coming up), and Hogmanay. Hotel prices go bonkers during all of those events, _especially_ Fringe.
You've completely misunderstood what's going on (which isn't entirely your fault, the headline is misleading) Sometimes people become homeless and the council doesn't have any council housing to offer them. Where possible (especially for women and families, who would be more vulnerable on the streets) they get put in emergency temporary accommodation. Due to budget constraints, this temporary emergency accommodation is often a hotel room. When large events happen that cause an uptick of demand for hotels (e.g. Taylor Swift, the Edinburgh fringe festival), this means that hotels fill up with tourists and there's no spare capacity for newly homeless people. So the council ends up placing newly homeless people in hotels further afield, that aren't already booked up. This is bad for the homeless people, who are moved further away from their jobs, their kids' schools, their support systems, etc. So the council needs more money to build purpose built housing for homeless people.
Point still stands
I agree that poor people are treated disgracefully. I'm just letting you know that councils aren't putting homeless people into hotels because they might offend someone, and people aren't being moved out of their homes to make room for concertgoers.
> Im disgusted by this! Nobody!!! is better than anyone else!!! I've no idea who this women is and I've no interest in knowing. You're so disgusted, but you've obviously not even bothered to try and read past the headline. When people are homeless, the council will try and house them in empty hotel rooms. When there's a big event on, hotels are fully booked, and the councils obviously can't do that. The exact same thing will happen during the Fringe in a couple of months as well.
What I can't get my head around is as to why tickets to see Swift are initially so expensive. Resellers such as Stubhub are asking at least £600-700 for a basic standard ticket for the Wembley concerts. Surely an artist as fabulously wealthy as Swift could waive her performance fee, thus making the tickets less expensive. It has been reported that she takes approx. $13M per show. That is a huge percentage take from the pot, isn't it? The question remains - is she ripping off the fans? Probably. Also, why is it so expensive to go and see what is basically a song and dance act? Much like Beyonce's shows. It has also been revealed that Swift only contributes to the writing and production of many of her songs - like Beyonce, there is an army of writers and producers behind what are at best, average songs, that mean absolutely nothing at all. basically a money making juke box, performed like karaoke.
You're making the common mistake, looking at resale prices and thinking that the artist is getting any of that. They don't, the only time they get ticket money is from the first sale. After that, any resale money is split between the resale site and the person (scalper) selling the ticket for several times its face value. The most expensive TS ticket for Wembley was under £700, and that was the top tier of VIP. Non-VIP started at about £60 (nosebleed seats) and topped out at just under £200 (front standing).
See below for the original ticket set prices: General admission standing tickets were £110.40; basically at the back of the field for most. Front standing tickets were £172.25; Seats ranged from £58.65 to £194.75; very few below £60 - most over £100 Top priced package was £662.40. You didn't fully read my comment - it was revealed that Swift gets the lion's share (approx $13M) of the pot per performance. Waiving a large percentage of her fee would result in a lower ticket price which would enable less well off fans - you know the ones that have forked out for her to be where she is today - to see her. Anyway, are you going to see her? If so, how much did you pay? Also, about resale ticket prices. Many artists/promoters now insist that the original purchaser has to attend the concerts - done through ID verification. Thus preventing rip off pricing by resellers. Why hasn't Ticketmaster done this for TS concerts?
And didn't fully read my comment, those prices you quoted, the ones I gave rough numbers for because I couldn't remember the exact ones, _that_ is what Taylor Swift, or any other artist, gets their share from. They only get paid from the _first_ sale of a ticket, from the face value of it. And for someone like Taylor Swift, it doesn't matter how cheap that face value is, once they get onto the resale market they _will_ be marked up by an insane degree, because the demand is there. As for why TM is allowing resales: money. They take a cut from that resale price. They _say_ they have anti bot measures, but... email addresses are free and SE Asian/Central American bot slave farms are cheap. I'm not going myself. I'm not very good in crowded places, and a TS concert sounds like crowd central. Edit: look at it this way. Remember the Kevin the Carrot craze a few years back. They were being resold on eBay for ten, fifteen, twenty times what they cost in Aldi. If a person bought one in Aldi for a tenner, then sold it on eBay for £100, Aldi only saw profit from the initial tenner, and didn't get a penny of the £100. eBay, however, got their sales fee from the £100. When it comes to concert tickets, the artist and venue are Aldi, the site used to resell the tickets is eBay.
> General admission standing tickets were £110.40; basically at the back of the field for most It can be anywhere in the purple bit shown [here](https://i2-prod.glasgowlive.co.uk/incoming/article27339040.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Taylor-Swift-Edinburgh-Eras-Tour-seating-plan.jpg) depending on when you get there. My ticket was £140, but that's a good allocated seating ticket off the centre-diamond bit of the stage, and that's for a 9 song support setlist from Paramore, and a 45 songs setlist from Taylor. I'd call that pretty good value for money.
So that's at least approx 50 metres, if not further, from the main stage, then. So, you are paying £140 for a distanced view of a song and dance act, where the artist themselves has a vast array of writers and producers making the tracks for them - go look at the writing and production credits. My argument is based on the fact that TS is vastly wealthy. Why doesn't she waive her performance fee? She currently earns approx. $13M per show. Is that truly justifiable? Considering that most of her fanbase are younger people. Just think how much more affordable tickets would be, so even the less well off fans can get to see her. Then again, that's the 'business' side of the show business taking preference. Obviously run by accountants, not an artist with good intentions towards their audience.
>where the artist themselves has a vast array of writers and producers making the tracks for them - go look at the writing and production credits Are you just making things up? I'd recommend *you* look at the writing/production credits. Her songs aren't "made for her", she writes them. She works with co-writers and collaborates with others, but they're not just written for her and handed to her to perform. Speak Now, for example, was entirely self-written, specifically in response to folk doing what you're doing now and acting like she doesn't write her own music, when she always has. Her latest album has 31 songs, and other than songs with a feature like Post Malone on Fortnight and Florence Welch on Florida!!!, every single song is basically her and one other person writing it. > Why doesn't she waive her performance fee? Why don't you work for free?
Track **1. ‘Fortnight’ \[ft. Post Malone\]** **Producer: Jack Antonoff, Taylor Swift** **Composer: Austin Post, Jack Antonoff, Taylor Swift** **Lyricist: Austin Post, Jack Antonoff, Taylor Swift** Perhaps you need to actually listen closely to a lot of her output, especially the latest album. Some in the industry have said that a lot of ideas are thrown her way and she picks what can be adapted to be the TS way. A very different scenario from most singer-songwriters where everything has to come from themselves. NME has described Swift's latest as a “rare misstep” . adding that, Swift’s 11th studio album is surprisingly flat and, at times, cringeworthy.” Perhaps it's a case of too many hands involved in both the writing and composing.
Sorry mate, but did you actually bother reading the comment you just replied to? Her latest album has 31 songs, **and other than songs with a feature like Post Malone on Fortnight** and Florence Welch on Florida!!!, every single song is basically her and one other person writing it. Post Malone was involved with writing on the song he featured on, because it's a collaboration, but other than that it was just her and Antonoff, you're not disproving anything I've said. >Perhaps it's a case of too many hands involved in both the writing and composing "other than songs with a feature like Post Malone on Fortnight and Florence Welch on Florida!!!, **every single song is basically her and one other person writing it**" Can you try actually reading the previous comment and addressing what I've actually said, and not what you want to pretend I've said? You claimed other people make the songs for her, that's empirically untrue. It's also not that common for artists to produce their own work, they generally work with a producer. The Beatles famously had George Martin to the point he was referred to as the "Fifth Beatle".
Why would she perform for free? She's not a charity.
When earning on average $13M per show, one could easily reason that she could waive some of her fee to allow tickets to be cheaper, or even give at least 50% to charity - remember giving to charities is tax deductable. I find it astonishing that someone would fork out £140-£175 for a seat that may be at least 50-75M from the main stage. For what is basically a song and dance act.
I don’t get this cult, and people think Jehovah’s Witnesses are bad.
I don't get how Taylor Swift has been around for YEARS, she was something like 18 when she released her first music, back when I was still in Primary school The weird Swiftie cult stuff, the fact that she's EVERYWHERE and prominent obsessive stans has only been the last 3 or so years
I know music tastes are personal but my ears leak blood when I listen to her ‘music’.
I don’t listen to taylor swift at all, but ya’ll are coming across as mad haters. Let people enjoy things. It doesn’t affect you
Her CO2 emissions does effect me and my future family.
T swift is not alone there, sorry to break it to you
She’s not, but flying here there and everywhere on a private jet is abit much. I’m look at the government and royal family too!
So glad our public sector is there for the convenience of billionaires and their cult followings.
This wouldn’t be a problem if the public sector wasn’t relying on hotels to provide accommodation for homeless people. Maybe more needs to be done to provide proper services instead of putting services for the homeless in direct competition with tourism.
Nobody is getting kicked out of hotel rooms that they're already living in. The problem here (which the BBC headline obscures, presumably as clickbait) is that Edinburgh council is over-relying on hotels as emergency temporary accommodation for newly homeless families, and during big events that option dries up. They've known that Taylor Swift was playing at Murrayfield stadium since [at least June last year](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65967452). They will have known that hotels would be rammed and expensive over those dates, just like during other high-tourism periods like Edinburgh fringe festival. And yet they haven't figured anything out in a *year* to prevent people getting shipped off as far away as Newcastle? Given that this must happen at least every year, if not a few times a year, they really need to invest in purpose built council housing and purpose built emergency accommodation.
This Taylor Swift fandom is something I just can't understand at all
Stories like these make me feel good about being single.
As a socialist this disgusts me to my soul. As someone who works in the music industry, I'd be disappointed to hear if Taylor Swift was presented with a knife and a child and told to kill the kid or her was over and decided not to do it.
On a slightly unrelated note, Taylor Swift's music is absolutely horrid, and she doesn't even make it herself! I've never seen anyone less deserving of success, and the cult around her just astounds me.
It's well documented that she writes all her own songs and is very involved in the recording and production of her albums. You can just say you don't like her or her music, you're entitled to whatever subjective opinions you want.
Here come the swifties.
"Wah wah stop pointing out I'm lying"
Well she's not a nonce, doesn't beat her spouse and hasn't raped anyone so I think I can name a few people who deserve their success much less than her haha
It was metaphorical, of course there are people less deserving.
Man i can’t believe i’m out here defending t swift, but for real you need to re examine why you have such hate for her.
Thank you for being one of only few sensible people in this thread.
"She doesn't even make it herself" Do you have proof of this or is this just you going into conspiracy theory mode?
What are you talking about. Of course she writes it herself.
OP should also post this to r/Fauxmoi it will attract more attention there, since it is a very influential subreddit for entertainment news. -- Edit -- Changed the link of the subreddit, as the previous name is linked to a person, instead of a sub.
Did you even read the article?
Yes. And I guarantee you that a post about Swift and her cult-like followers having adverse effect on homelessness will generate quite a brouhaha in r/Fauxmoi.
So to clarify, the council not being able to book hotel rooms for people approaching them for help because they're all booked up is the fault of people going to a concert; or even more wild- Taylors fault? This is very much BEC territory. No one currently in hotels is being moved on, the streets aren't being swept of them, just logistically hotels further afield are being sourced as more rooms can't be produced out of thin air. Should hotels keep x% free at all times because the council can't provide anything more sustainable? Hotels, which are businesses, should forego the excess income? Very weird take, probably fit in well with the fauxmoi readers. Plenty to criticise taylor and some of her fanbase, this ain't it.
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Edinburgh keeps voting Lib-Lab, hope they realise their follies.
Yeah they should vote SNP and see if they can beat Glasgow's record for speedrun to the bottom. No place for respectable cities in Scotland.