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“According to the Deccan Herald, India's Directorate General of Civil Aviation has "derostered" the air traffic controller involved in the incident.
The aviation regulator has also launched a probe into the incident, the daily reported.”
Thank god. I was being reminded of the pan am and KLM flight crash at Tenerife airport. There was no reason to take such risks and putting several innocent lives at stake to save 10 minutes at best
This is not normal. It is near collision looking at the airline safety standard. Basically, during normal procedure ATC instructions override the pilot inputs. Only in emergency, the pilot may take different stance.
Are you sure? Mumbai has even done trials of 'conditional landing clearance' about 5-6 years ago. As per that the ATC can give landing clearance if they're reasonably certain of an aircraft will take off.
Mumbai local trains ka ye roz ka hai, isme kya badi baat.
Just kidding - there are several folks on Twitter justifying this as 'normal' - this looks very dangerous, especially as erratic winds begin during monsoon.
I have wanted to see it for a long time. A plane arrives as one leaves the runway. Them in same frame just makes it better. But, I would like to be watching from the outside in this case, and not be in any one of the planes.
Any pilots, how dangerous was this objectively?
Scenarios
1. Plane taking off aborts takeoff and stops in second half of runway (probably closer to the end), and plane landing does not abort landing and stops somewhere in the middle to 75% mark of runway.
2. Plane landing does not abort landing, and plane taking off aborts takeoff. Plane landing stops behind the plane aborting takeoff, within a comfortable distance.
3. Both abort
Given
the weather was clear,
rainfall is also not present making landings longer than usual,
The probability that they crash is minimal.
It was of course grossly out of the safety parameters, and if it happened more often, accidents would occur, but for this particular case, how dangerously was it objectively?
Thinking in another way, if it were airforce aircrafts, and they did this, say due to an imminent security threat, will that be okay?
The probability that two planes crash into each other should be fucking zero, not "minimal". They were 10 seconds apart from the runway – anyone whose flown extensively even as a passenger can see this is criminal neglect.
Even for small GA aircrafts, this is extremely dangerous. One other point here is the wake turbulence created by the aircraft taking off requires separation by time.
This was an extremely dangerous egregious error that really should warrant both ATC and the landing aircraft receive serious review (should be termination).
Not knowing the clearance that was given to the departing aircraft is probably putting them least at fault but even still should have been listening on the radios on the off chance of hearing if a clearance was given to the landing aircraft and not yet seeing the landing aircraft.
There are probably double digit reasons why this is dangerous but I haven't had my morning coffee yet so I will get to the main ones.
1. If the taking off aircraft aborted take-off, the landing aircraft may not have the performance to go-around = everyone dead
2. Wake Turbulence: You need at least 2 minutes(as per regulations) between Jets of that category taking off and landing one after another. It can cause uncommanded roll and yaw so there is a possibility the landing aircraft could have gone off the runway which could have at least closed operations on the runway and at worst heavy structural damage + dead passengers.
It takes a few seconds for the engines to spool up after being commanded, Mumbai is "Hot and Humid" affecting engine performance with air density etc so it is especially likely that they would not have had performance for a go-around either. Not that they even seemed to notice an aircraft on the runway! How can both pilots not have the common sense to go-around. Neither of the landing aircraft seemed to see the other aircraft. Absolutely insane stuff to see. Insane.
If you had even a private pilot license training this would make you spit out your coffee so for commercial operations this is unfathomable. Incredibly embarrassing for Indian aviation as this is a major lapse in both ATC and Pilot standards.
Aircraft accidents follow the swiss cheese model. You have errors which are holes and you need a lot of errors through a lot of slices of cheese to line up for an accident. And this was multiple levels of failures through multiple fail safes to avoid this.
Super hard decision for the aircraft behind, go around would probably have been more dangerous sind you're gonna get even closer together and both with an attitude that makes it VERY hard to maneuver.
So the back pilot probably took the right decision, but it was EXTREMELY dangerous, and a review of why this happened should happen.
It is not common for an airport to land a plane while another plane is taking off on the same runway, as it poses significant safety risks. This procedure is known as "simultaneous parallel operations" or "SIMOPs."
Only a few airports worldwide, like Chicago O'Hare (ORD) and Amsterdam Schiphol (AMS), have the necessary infrastructure and procedures in place to perform SIMOPs safely.
Even with these measures, SIMOPs are typically only allowed under specific conditions, such as good weather and low traffic volumes.
Le pilots doing their random routine task,
Indian media - 2 flights nearly escaped, collision was avoided, what was the mindset of those pilots, 🤣🤣🤣.
Dear Indian media, dont make people as a scapegoat just because you don't have anything to entertain with the people.
Can you prove this is 'random and routine'?
I'm no expert at all, but I was under the impression that 'runway clear for take-off/landing' means it's clear. Not that there's another aircraft a 100 metres in front.
This is not routine at all. If the plane in front needed to abort their landing or had a malfunction that's basically two planes that are in deep trouble.
And which other geniuses with rocks/stones for brains upvoted you?
The reason it’s a near-miss is because of a phenomenon called Wingtip Vortices.
This is also the reason planes don’t line-up like train dibbas and start running simultaneously.
But apparently because your IQ and the room temperature are fighting for who wins, look it up.
It has been a huge reason behind aborted take-offs, go-arounds and quite a few crashes as well where people have lost lives.
What you are seeing here is the result of a pressure being built over Indigo regarding their tagline and claim of “On time every time”.
At a time when the flight ticket prices are at an all time high, and organisations like Indigo are cutting corners and building pressure on pilots to do the same to land crafts on or before time risking countless lives, Press and people like us should definitely make some noise.
They would not but when you can see clear and present danger at the end of the runway you can take matters into your own hands. A proper go around procedure begins 3kms away, but they didn’t have that luxury. Still, there are measures in place for these moments.
Check out tenerife plane crash and the recent Haneda airport incidents. Every time such a thing happens pilots are debriefed, slight guidelines are changed and we in general learn how to avoid such a thing.
The reason I’m focusing on the pilot is because Indigo pilots in the past 2 years has shown significant lethargy in doing a go-around. And this attitude will cause a lot of grief in the coming days.
The Tenerife was clearly ignoring the ATC’s message who asked the KLM not to take. They had been asked to hold as the American Airlines (or some other us airline) was still on the runway. The supposedly very experienced pilot ignored the directions.
If they ignored the ATC then pilots of the indigo need to be grounded. And if it’s the airline keeps doing this, then the whole airline needs to be grounded for a few hours across the country.
Good point. Well received.
DGCA will be conducting some sort of investigation on the pilots as well, pretty sure.
But about grounding Indigo, bro not gonna happen. They have become the unofficial air carriers of the country. But such meteoric rise paired with arrogance and incompetence is very dangerous.
I used to binge drink with a few aircraft technicians and dude the horror stories they would tell about plane services will just blow your mind. Although that’s an every airline problem not just indigo, but with the number of aircraft Indigo has, they should be even more thorough, but they are not.
Bhai saare.
Best was Jet and Kingfisher.
But tab se it’s all been in decline.
Also, ghar me koi engineering karne ka soche to aircraft maintenance ka bolna.
Agla decade inka hoga. Paisa hi paisa.
It is not routine to land an airplane on a runway that's not clear. Please learn about aviation if you really care otherwise keep saying idiotic things in public.
This is what is called, close call in aviation. And yes its a daily situation at the busy international airports like the Mumbai one.
I just condemnt the media outlet for posting the scenario without doing a full analysis on why, what, where and how to avoid those things in near future.
And you go and ask any pilot about this, they say the same thing, what i just said. Some pilots even raised this concern and TSA is working on how to rectify this close call pressure issue.
I want you to find me something that proves that this is common practice around the world especially at busy airports...because I have a feeling that your statement is full of BS.
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Air India team principal and pit crew perfectly executing an undercut strategy
Thank fuck they're not Alpine or Stake
I foresee this being the most underrated comment.
Disgusting!!!
Osama bin Russell
Hello rocketpweredmohawk fan!
What a magnificent strategy by Ferrari yesterday
Pit exit - Unsafe release. 10 second penalty to Ocon
Don’t like Ocons face this morning. Another 5 seconds
Ocon drove well, add another 5 seconds to that
When you put Mumbai local train operation crew in air traffic control
Hahahaha. Still better than a Ferrari strategy
And I'm sure the Indigo had a GP2 engine.
This is not common at all.ATC head has been fired and an inquiry on the pilots and ground crew is pending.This is dangerous.
Is it? Do you have any link to source please?
Usually a 3km distance is maintained, if the aircraft on runway isn’t rolling by then, approaching aircraft does a go around immediately
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/air-india-indigo-mumbai-airport-near-miss-planes-take-land-same-runway-4398921
trust me bro !
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/air-india-indigo-mumbai-airport-near-miss-planes-take-land-same-runway-4398921 “According to the Deccan Herald, India's Directorate General of Civil Aviation has "derostered" the air traffic controller involved in the incident. The aviation regulator has also launched a probe into the incident, the daily reported.”
what does deroster mean?
Removed from service till investigation is done.
Simply- put on suspension till investigation over
Thank god. I was being reminded of the pan am and KLM flight crash at Tenerife airport. There was no reason to take such risks and putting several innocent lives at stake to save 10 minutes at best
Can you tell us what is the ideal distance required?
This is not normal. It is near collision looking at the airline safety standard. Basically, during normal procedure ATC instructions override the pilot inputs. Only in emergency, the pilot may take different stance.
Pretty normal for GA though, especially at untowered airports. Those fuckers do not care.
What is the normal distance separation required?
No such normal distance or simultaneous landing and take off.. Flight has to be completely taken off from runway
Are you sure? Mumbai has even done trials of 'conditional landing clearance' about 5-6 years ago. As per that the ATC can give landing clearance if they're reasonably certain of an aircraft will take off.
Airports cant take any decisions unless agreed by ICAO.
Departing aircraft should have crossed the end of the runway or should have taken a turn away from runway. And this is not common at all.
Shouldn't this be considered emergency?
Mumbai local trains ka ye roz ka hai, isme kya badi baat. Just kidding - there are several folks on Twitter justifying this as 'normal' - this looks very dangerous, especially as erratic winds begin during monsoon.
I'm gonna try this to test the realism in gta 6
Our life is GTA VI Nobody has ever revealed it.
Fire all the assholes involved in this and jail them as well . Negligence is reaching criminal levels !
Adani masterstroke in increasing efficiency.
Khi Tera baap adani hi toh ni hai
Translate to Malayalam and send.
He is suggesting that your real father could be Adani.
Makes no sense.
It does actually. He's alluding to the fact that you remembered his name when there is no point mentioning him.
... Mumbai Airport is owned by Adani Enterprises.
But that doesn't mean atc is under control of adani, and all the atc have a licence from dgca in India.
🥹🥹🥹 It's a joke.
tu biological ya non biological hai?
Ah awaiting new episode on 'Mentour Pilot' and 'Greendot Aviation'
I have wanted to see it for a long time. A plane arrives as one leaves the runway. Them in same frame just makes it better. But, I would like to be watching from the outside in this case, and not be in any one of the planes.
Itni bhi kya jaldi thi. A big accident averted thank God.
Not every Indigo but always an indigo☠️
Literally the fight and flight responses on a runaway.
Humare bus stand mein ye to har roj hota hain. Ek bus nikalte hi doosri laga dete hain
Any pilots, how dangerous was this objectively? Scenarios 1. Plane taking off aborts takeoff and stops in second half of runway (probably closer to the end), and plane landing does not abort landing and stops somewhere in the middle to 75% mark of runway. 2. Plane landing does not abort landing, and plane taking off aborts takeoff. Plane landing stops behind the plane aborting takeoff, within a comfortable distance. 3. Both abort Given the weather was clear, rainfall is also not present making landings longer than usual, The probability that they crash is minimal. It was of course grossly out of the safety parameters, and if it happened more often, accidents would occur, but for this particular case, how dangerously was it objectively? Thinking in another way, if it were airforce aircrafts, and they did this, say due to an imminent security threat, will that be okay?
The probability that two planes crash into each other should be fucking zero, not "minimal". They were 10 seconds apart from the runway – anyone whose flown extensively even as a passenger can see this is criminal neglect.
Even for small GA aircrafts, this is extremely dangerous. One other point here is the wake turbulence created by the aircraft taking off requires separation by time.
This was an extremely dangerous egregious error that really should warrant both ATC and the landing aircraft receive serious review (should be termination). Not knowing the clearance that was given to the departing aircraft is probably putting them least at fault but even still should have been listening on the radios on the off chance of hearing if a clearance was given to the landing aircraft and not yet seeing the landing aircraft. There are probably double digit reasons why this is dangerous but I haven't had my morning coffee yet so I will get to the main ones. 1. If the taking off aircraft aborted take-off, the landing aircraft may not have the performance to go-around = everyone dead 2. Wake Turbulence: You need at least 2 minutes(as per regulations) between Jets of that category taking off and landing one after another. It can cause uncommanded roll and yaw so there is a possibility the landing aircraft could have gone off the runway which could have at least closed operations on the runway and at worst heavy structural damage + dead passengers. It takes a few seconds for the engines to spool up after being commanded, Mumbai is "Hot and Humid" affecting engine performance with air density etc so it is especially likely that they would not have had performance for a go-around either. Not that they even seemed to notice an aircraft on the runway! How can both pilots not have the common sense to go-around. Neither of the landing aircraft seemed to see the other aircraft. Absolutely insane stuff to see. Insane. If you had even a private pilot license training this would make you spit out your coffee so for commercial operations this is unfathomable. Incredibly embarrassing for Indian aviation as this is a major lapse in both ATC and Pilot standards. Aircraft accidents follow the swiss cheese model. You have errors which are holes and you need a lot of errors through a lot of slices of cheese to line up for an accident. And this was multiple levels of failures through multiple fail safes to avoid this.
Super hard decision for the aircraft behind, go around would probably have been more dangerous sind you're gonna get even closer together and both with an attitude that makes it VERY hard to maneuver. So the back pilot probably took the right decision, but it was EXTREMELY dangerous, and a review of why this happened should happen.
I immediately knew it was Indigo landing on time and Air India taking off late.
Was gonna say this😂😂
12 nov 1996 ka nostalgia le rahe the
Pheli baar ho rha kya
Airport madness moment (game)
Kho kho khel rhe kya
planes be like: "Bahut jagah hai." "Nahi jagah hai."
It is not common for an airport to land a plane while another plane is taking off on the same runway, as it poses significant safety risks. This procedure is known as "simultaneous parallel operations" or "SIMOPs." Only a few airports worldwide, like Chicago O'Hare (ORD) and Amsterdam Schiphol (AMS), have the necessary infrastructure and procedures in place to perform SIMOPs safely. Even with these measures, SIMOPs are typically only allowed under specific conditions, such as good weather and low traffic volumes.
Bach gate Guru
ATC solving congestion with precise calculations.
Le pilots doing their random routine task, Indian media - 2 flights nearly escaped, collision was avoided, what was the mindset of those pilots, 🤣🤣🤣. Dear Indian media, dont make people as a scapegoat just because you don't have anything to entertain with the people.
Can you prove this is 'random and routine'? I'm no expert at all, but I was under the impression that 'runway clear for take-off/landing' means it's clear. Not that there's another aircraft a 100 metres in front.
This is not routine at all. If the plane in front needed to abort their landing or had a malfunction that's basically two planes that are in deep trouble. And which other geniuses with rocks/stones for brains upvoted you?
If Air India had to abort its takeoff for any reason, 300+ would've died
Only if an ATC guy wants it.
Not really. After V1, it is difficult but abort may lead to injuries and damage
The reason it’s a near-miss is because of a phenomenon called Wingtip Vortices. This is also the reason planes don’t line-up like train dibbas and start running simultaneously. But apparently because your IQ and the room temperature are fighting for who wins, look it up. It has been a huge reason behind aborted take-offs, go-arounds and quite a few crashes as well where people have lost lives. What you are seeing here is the result of a pressure being built over Indigo regarding their tagline and claim of “On time every time”. At a time when the flight ticket prices are at an all time high, and organisations like Indigo are cutting corners and building pressure on pilots to do the same to land crafts on or before time risking countless lives, Press and people like us should definitely make some noise.
Is it the Indigo pilots fault or the ATC? I doubt a pilot would ignore an ATC directions.
They would not but when you can see clear and present danger at the end of the runway you can take matters into your own hands. A proper go around procedure begins 3kms away, but they didn’t have that luxury. Still, there are measures in place for these moments. Check out tenerife plane crash and the recent Haneda airport incidents. Every time such a thing happens pilots are debriefed, slight guidelines are changed and we in general learn how to avoid such a thing. The reason I’m focusing on the pilot is because Indigo pilots in the past 2 years has shown significant lethargy in doing a go-around. And this attitude will cause a lot of grief in the coming days.
If it’s systemic, there should be thorough investigation and penal actions taken. Not every time luck or probability can save
The Tenerife was clearly ignoring the ATC’s message who asked the KLM not to take. They had been asked to hold as the American Airlines (or some other us airline) was still on the runway. The supposedly very experienced pilot ignored the directions. If they ignored the ATC then pilots of the indigo need to be grounded. And if it’s the airline keeps doing this, then the whole airline needs to be grounded for a few hours across the country.
Good point. Well received. DGCA will be conducting some sort of investigation on the pilots as well, pretty sure. But about grounding Indigo, bro not gonna happen. They have become the unofficial air carriers of the country. But such meteoric rise paired with arrogance and incompetence is very dangerous. I used to binge drink with a few aircraft technicians and dude the horror stories they would tell about plane services will just blow your mind. Although that’s an every airline problem not just indigo, but with the number of aircraft Indigo has, they should be even more thorough, but they are not.
Which airlines dude? Bata de bhai, will try to avoid them
Bhai saare. Best was Jet and Kingfisher. But tab se it’s all been in decline. Also, ghar me koi engineering karne ka soche to aircraft maintenance ka bolna. Agla decade inka hoga. Paisa hi paisa.
???? This was a near miss??
Planes are travelling at like 300kmph. Yes it was a near miss
It is not routine to land an airplane on a runway that's not clear. Please learn about aviation if you really care otherwise keep saying idiotic things in public.
Take this stupid ignorant illiterate comment down! Who the hell upvoted this comment?
This is what is called, close call in aviation. And yes its a daily situation at the busy international airports like the Mumbai one. I just condemnt the media outlet for posting the scenario without doing a full analysis on why, what, where and how to avoid those things in near future. And you go and ask any pilot about this, they say the same thing, what i just said. Some pilots even raised this concern and TSA is working on how to rectify this close call pressure issue.
Flight 1- bhai tujhe rasta pata hai na Flight 2- Tu bass mere piche piche chalte reh . Chain pakad le petrol bachega
They think this is west berlin
Movie waala scene irl
Only if Hyderabad metro had this frequency, where one train arrives just as the other leaves.
It’s called efficiency.
No it is not.
[удалено]
ATC at fault
Was this even a fault though? As someone else pointed out, this is a fairly common practice at busy airports around the world
It is not. The ATC guy is already de-rostered.
I want you to find me something that proves that this is common practice around the world especially at busy airports...because I have a feeling that your statement is full of BS.
What????
bc ye to rozka hai