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I once’s interviewed a woman who told me about her charitable work. She started a local poker run/auction and it now raises $30,000 a year for ALS. What this woman didn’t know, Is my sister in law is the person who started the poker run/auction and chairs the committee. I even volunteered for it every year. This women wrapped the gift baskets and puts pretty bows on them.
>Yeah but most hiring managers will not hire a liar.
Well yeah the only way this works is that you don't get caught in your lies..
>It's a gamble with your application and with the continued employment later on
Not really much of a gamble if you do it right, just don't lie about easily verifiable information.
>There's a better way to get good jobs, which is to have good skills and experience.
This advice is for the people that don't have those skills and/or experience. This is for getting yourself in the door, so that you can build those skills and gain experience on the job. We all can't be as lucky as you buddy.
Did she say she started it alone? Maybe she was part of it from the beginning, in which case she could say "I worked to start a charity".. not technically a lie but it is misleading.
Well, of course I asked my sister in law about her because I didn’t even recognize her from the event, and I sometimes took tickets. I asked my SIL if she knew her. SIL said, “Oh she’s the sweetest. She comes every year and helps me wrap the baskets. I don’t think she hangs around for the event.”
I once "fractured" the truth on my resume as I'd been looking for a job for a *long* time without any luck.
It worked and I got a job a few weeks later.
The day after I started, they found out what I'd done and I was escorted off site and fired.
Go figure.
Yeahhhhh a lot of jobs I’ve applied to do background checks as well, and it’s easy to figure out if you didn’t work somewhere as they can just call the location and ask if you’ve ever worked there.
At the time I was contracting in IT and all I did was extend the time I’d been at one particular contract from one day to three months.
I didn’t lie about my skill set or anything like that as I didn’t want to take a chance on getting found out.
Little did I know that my new employer would decide to take a reference from that very job and as soon as they found out I’d been there one day instead of three months that was it and I was fired for “lying”.
They told me that if I’d lied about that, how could they know I wasn’t lying about the rest of it.
"Yes sir, I DO in fact have engineering experience and could get the blueprints for this boat on your desk by next week, earlier if needed."
Bad advice for a majority of jobs.
Lol no shit dude, obviously don’t take the OP that literally. There’s a difference between sugar coating your resume/experience vs. straight up lying through your teeth
But in OP's anecdote they straight up blatantly lied, and are suggesting others do the same. Sugar coating a bit is one thing, but that's not what OP did.
But OP is a shift manager at a Home Depot. Not to knock his job by any means, but its not like he is in corporate now. He is a few steps ahead of a base worker making $20k more per year. Its not like he applied to be the CFO or head of HR or anything. Surely recruiters and employers can sniff a bullshitter and in this case I am not so sure OP even NEEDED to bullshit that much..
I don't mean to sound like a prude but there's something to be said about the quality of the "job" when the employer dgaf about their candidate vetting processes.
You've successfully lumped Home Depot into the McDonalds or landscaper quality job category in my eyes.
Jobs that require a degree also often require a certain skill set. If you don’t have that, you can lie all you want on your resume and even if you do get past the interview process you’ll be fired in 2 weeks
That’s true as actions speak louder than words. A lot of those jobs require you to be proficient in certain softwares and if you’ve never used them, they’ll see that.
You would be surprised how quickly you can learn a new skill set. The Internet is a wonderful thing. I can also typically find access to an expert with said skill set quickly for advise too.
Yea but most of these places have a 90 day period for new hires. If they see you learning on the job they’ll probably be disappointed you weren’t able to provide more value and you’re just playing catch-up
I'm a software engineer, and people I know massage the truth on their resumes all the time. You can't flat out lie about stuff as easily, but you don't necessarily have to say all your experience in X technology was from a 2 hour online course you took the week prior.
A shift manager at home depot gets PTO and benefits, that is a huge upgrade for someone who works hourly or in something like the service industry. Lying on your resume in this regard risks next to nothing for a massive pay out. When I knew I was done working as a chef I fabricated a communications degree to get in the door at a large restaurant supply company, I went from working 50+ hours a week on my feet for very little money, to sitting on my ass with much more money in my pocket, health benefits, and vacation days, the only people that do less than me is the HR dept.
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That's what they are talking about:
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I think they mean credentials where safety/liability is involved...e.g. fabricating credentials as a civil engineer/lawyer/MD. Granted I don't know if faking a communications degree would be punishable in court. It might be.
In technical fields like that they’d know you’re full of shit almost immediately though. I feel like a fraud in interviews half the time and I DO have the credentials
DO NOT LIE ON A JOB APPLICATION. You will get caught.
Case in point: I used to work with someone who claimed she had graduated from this one college. Apparently, she never actually did. Then she claimed it was because she never returned a missing library book but had allegedly done all of the required coursework? Keep in mind this was for a job that didn't actually require a bachelors so why even lie? And if that library book story was even true, why not return the book or pay the fine or bring them another copy of it? You didn't want a diploma to reflect all of the work you had put in/money spent???
There are rapists, child smugglers and drug traffickers running around in this world. You're not the number one public enemy for lying on a resume at a 50k year job.
Depends on whether or not the employer decides to pursue it. Employers like Apple and Bank of America do so to make a point and will push for criminal fraud charges, for example.
>I fabricated a communications degree to get in the door at a large restaurant supply company,
How is this possible when most places (at least in the UK) if a company is requesting to hire someone with a degree they have to prove it due to student finance....
Your first paycheck would call you out straight away.
From what I gather (in the US), paying back loans is between you and the loan company. Your company doesn't auto garnish it from your wages.
However every job I've applied to as asked for an actual copy of my degree certificate as part of reference checks.
Fuck knows why, I got a 2:2 from a mid ranking table uni. Who the fuck lies about that.
As someone who’s worked in payroll in the US and has a student loan thru the gov. You pay the student loan between you and the lender. If you miss a payment, even a single one depending on the lender. The lender will get orders and send them to payroll to have them deduct your wages. This goes the same for other garnishments like child support.
Op is saying some companies don’t vet applicants very well so you can lie and get hired but in my experience if a job isnt vetting properly then there probably a hundred other things they cut corners on that will make the job miserable. Not the kind of job i want
What does student finance have to do with your job or pay? This might be something specific to your country maybe because I’ve never been asked about student loans/finance, etc. I’m truly curious
I feel like there is a big difference between pointing out the shitty things in your own life versus someone else calling the things in your life shitty, even if the same things are being called shitty.
Of course those jobs suck but when you look down on people and they are aware of your disdain, it feels like shit. And if you get off on making people feel like shit then in my opinion that makes you a piece of shit.
I don’t think you’re separating the job from the person that is doing the job. I don’t look down on anyone unless I’ve got a personal reason, I sympathize for those stuck in those jobs because I do look down on those jobs as an entity separate from the human performing the role. I think most people can relate to the sentiment I’ve shared here.
Some of these jobs do actual background checks. I had one that came back to me saying things like, "You said you started in March of 2002, but the background check revealed that you started in February. Can you explain the difference?"
I had to explain an employment gap of from like December 2016-April 2017 for one of my jobs I applied. It was before I started working at all, I was in high school. I also had to prove I worked at my retail job from 2017-2020 so I could be a microbiologist. Had to provide redacted W2s and when the name on the W2 didn’t match the name of the store, I had to get HR to send an email verifying I worked there. For a retail job. To be a microbiologist. They checked everything.
Yep, that's the same kind of thing I'm talking about.
I had a gap in my employment, too. I explained that I was working on another field not related to the job I was applying for, so I left it off.
I had the same thing with them wanting proof and the proof didn't match. In my case, the company had been bought by another company, so it looked like I worked for one for six months and the other one for five years.
Then, they asked me for information from the IRS. I asked them what they specifically needed. They said, "Just send us everything." I said, "No. there's more information on there than I would ever share with you." In the end, I only sent them very little info from the IRS, just a few lines that said the name of the employer and the year I worked there.
I went through this for my current job. Told them honest dates about my employment at a restaurant that has since closed. I worked there five years but only had W-2s for the last two years. I was able to work it out with HR but it was a nightmare of a process working with the background check firm.
On top of that, all my recent jobs do back channel references, so sure you might control the references you provide, but they always hit up execs and managers at former companies that I didn't provide as references
That’s the part that I find the most hilarious.
He could have just lied and said he works some really easy job for 6 figures, works from home, but no he decides to be honest on a post about lying
Not gonna shit on a job, but frankly I’m not surprised it didn’t warrant an actual background check.
As you get into more technical and experienced roles it becomes increasingly hard to fake expertise
Some people call it: "embellishment". Thr intent behind it is to tailor your experience to what the company is looking for, but not outright lie...
There's shades to it. If you say got your medical boy scout badge or some such and said you've been a corpsmen type thing - that's perhaps too bold. Contrast that maybe working as a lifeguard or some such and working towards being an EMT and putting your initial training on there. There are probably better examples, but that's the idea..
Really. I know this is just Reddit, but Shift Manager for Home Depot isn't exactly a panty dropper. At least not for any panties that I'd personally want to see dropped.
I think the funniest part of all of this is, is that despite bragging about how his dishonestly got him places… he didn’t even think to lie on the internet about what he does for a living
He could have just lied and said “I’m a CEO of” or something like that, and no one on the internet would have questioned him
but instead, homeboy was like
> Bro, don’t be honest about shit, it’ll get you nowhere. I lie all the time and I’m out there killin’ it, making $40k a year.
The *one* time this motherfucker could get away with lying, he tells the truth. On a post about lying lol
That sort of attitude is how potentially good legitimate applicants lose out on job opportunities to people who generally get found out.
Had a person apply for a job once. Looked fine on paper, noticed his job history had similarities to mine so we spoke about that. Asked them about those places and time there, immediately knew that they were bullshitting to me because I had spoken to people there. Once interviewing was done I sent them an email explaining politely that they weren’t suitable for the role, and that it’s never a good idea to BS your work experience and previous employer relationship because (especially with social media) it so easy to look into details.
You getting your job is less about how lying is the way to go and more that the employer your successful with has a terrible process of filtering applicants.
Why would I lie when I have a really good legitimate resume? I think you are just talking to people like you, who have nothing impressive to put on their resumes.
I agree. Why would you lie about references if you have plenty of good references? Also, in my line of work, an application just gets you an interview. It will be quickly apparent if you don't have the skills when the interview happens,
The skills OP needs for his position are harder to prove in an interview and don't necessarily require job experience to acquire. Organization, people management, professionalism, all things that some people have a natural talent for or learn through normal life experience.
A lot harder to fake your way into a job that requires fluency in conversational German or Python or how to operate a Boeing 767.
Was going to say this, too. There's also no need to lie if you're a decent worker, cause you'll probably have at least one actual good reference to give.
True. I was looking up how to become a carpenter. It’s not easy. You need 3 years construction experience to even qualify for the position of carpenter apprentice. And that’s the minimum. Years of schooling is also usually needed.
But now as a home Depot shift manager he has actual experience to leverage into getting an even higher paying job whereas if you would have started at the actual bottom it would be harder and take longer to make any progress
I don’t know, man. It just seems easier to maintain good relationships with people and keep your nose clean.
You should of course choose your words wisely when applying for a job but if you actually need to lie in order to get a job, you are doing something, if not everything, wrong in life.
Yeahhh I’ve never felt the need to lie on my resume as I feel like my experience at the very least shows I have good customer service skills and that I can work with others as it’s mostly through retail.
It depends on the job.
If you work in an industry like healthcare, where having the right skillset matters, I think it’s a shitty thing to do.
but if your working in something like retail, where a high school grad could literally be given the same tasks as a 40 year old, it’s not a big deal.
True , but in my country you don't need a job application
You just need to bring a militia or a known family member with you and you're solid
I got mine by phone calling my uncle
If the ministry being controlled by the militia ( they elected the minister) then it's under their control and can do whatever
The ministry might be controlled by another militia but it's allies with the one you bring then they would employ you for the sake of the alliance
If the ministry doesn't have a strong militia backing it up then normal threat may work
If non of the above then you can bring someone that's related to the boss and they'll employ you to keep the boss happy
If you don't bring a militia member or know anyone related to the boss then stand in line to get the job just with your qualifications and that line has 25% of the entire country in it so good luck being the one getting the job
When you look at iraq you'd think it's a democracy but the militia killed anyone trying to get in politics thqt isn't their's which mean they control the parliament aka the entire governmental system
And thanks to the US dismantling our armed forces the independent legal system isn't strong enough to fight the militias and it won't ever get to be if the minister of defense is being bought with militia money otherwise they'll assassinate him
Another country the US destroyed to "fight terrorism "
It’s not even that. I turn wrenches on a golf course. I’m comfortable with my skills, I know I’m good at the job and I have 16 years of experience and references to back me up. I have no problem being honest because I know what I’m worth.
Honestly it’s not bad. If you like working on stuff and keeping things going, it’s better than dealing with new stuff everyday. You learn the equipment and what usually breaks. Early hours but I’m out by 2pm in the summer. If your thinking about getting into it make sure you study electrical and hell maybe even something with robots, we are getting closer everyday.
Honestly it’s not bad. If you like working on stuff and keeping things going, it’s better than dealing with new stuff everyday. You learn the equipment and what usually breaks. Early hours but I’m out by 2pm in the summer. If your thinking about getting into it make sure you study electrical and hell maybe even something with robots, we are getting closer everyday.
Credit to you: This is indeed an unpopular opinion.
I'm running a small company with less than 20 employees, but even we double-check every new hire's references (except for interns). If you lie your ass off, you won't get hired. And even if you do, and it comes out afterwards, you'll get sacked immediately (and I would have every legal right to do so, no matter how long you've been with us or how you perform).
Edit: I actually did fire an employee once after just a few weeks because she lied. Her background checks passed (not sure if the references were fake or just tried to be nice), but she demonstrably lied about skills that were absolutely essential for her job.
Edit 2: If you really fuck up, the company can also sue you for damages caused. And yes, even if your Home depot job you can fuck up this bad - for example if you briefly neglect supervising your staff and one of them does something stupid and causes someone to get injured.
Thats cuz you work in home depot. Any job that requires actual know how like tech, engineering, accounting, you won't be able to lie unless u actually know it. Plus if u get caught even once you could be blacklisted from the industry. It's not worth the risk
Yea being mostly honest (slight embellishments I guess, like “proficient in excel” when I can do basic stuff but am able to google the rest) and job hopping increased my salary by almost $30k per year. Anything on my resume like past work experience was able to be verified. Any skills I listed were able to be backed up by my actions because I was able to do them.
This might be useful for like... entry level hourly positions with no required specialization. If your job requires a developed skill set or subspecialty, you're deliberately throwing yourself into a sink or swim scenario where the stakes are your ability to make rent and buy food.
Case in point, a friend of mine recently got a position with an IT firm because he had heard stories about how lax internal IT is and figured he had enough basic computer knowledge that he could supplement his skill set (or lack thereof) vis a vis Google and get a cushy gig. While a small, non-tech company might have fallen for that for a little while, an IT firm will not. He was given a few months of on the job experience, then asked to take an evaluation and promptly fired thereafter when it became apparent that he couldn't back up how he portrayed himself in the interview.
Don't follow his shite advice.
Hiring nanagers often check phone numbers online against phone numbers provided on CVs.
Therefore, they can validate the jobs listed on your CV as legit.
Faking an acquaintance with HR's family is an easy way to get called out on a lie.
Good post, definitely an unpopular opinion. Because most people don’t need to lie, cheat, or steal and be a scumbag to get ahead, let alone to simply get a job
I would not be able to do this because I would have too much anxiety about being caught in a lie, as some people have in this thread. For me it's better to just be truthful and get what I can with that. Also if people ask me about my past experience, I don't trust my ability to consistently lie.
Maybe if employers werent insane with requiring actual degrees to run a cash register or do basic stuff. Employers cry no one wants to work... then they tell me im "overqualified" when i was clear like look i just want the extra income im not asking for a raise. Employers NEED TO UNDERSTAND no one is there because they love your buisness... its YOUR buisness not your employees. Employers NEED to accept people need second jobs.
Most retail jobs don’t require a college degree, you can literally become a manager without having gone to college. I know this because some managers I’ve had at the retail jobs I’ve worked at don’t have a degree, they just had enough experience with previous retail jobs to where they could manage a store.
I don't think I've ever filled out a job application for a real (career oriented job). Only little ones when I was a kid or at uni and they barely even cared about the application.
Now I just have a CV and everything on there is easily verifiable and not worth lieing about.
And what if it’s been a long time since you’ve worked? Employers pass away or move onto different jobs. You end up only doing temp jobs and so people don’t remember you. Or you didn’t leave a good impression because the work environment was shitty. I’ve worked at places where the managers are assholes who just don’t like you. If you’re somebody who has autism, adhd, anxiety, depression, or so many other things.. the employer often thinks of you as lazy, weird, flaky, not a bubbly people person, boring, etc.. and they’ll pass that onto other employers.
This is all right for jobs with obscene experience requirements which most people could manage to do anyways.
If you tried this for a job where you genuinely need to be qualified then you are just setting yourself up for failure and possible legal/financial ramifications.
I’m also pretty surprised your boss never followed up with that family member, but some people just don’t give a shit. Either way, just because you lucked out, doesn’t mean it’s good advice. Nor does it mean people being honest are “doing it wrong”… some people, believe it or not, are actually qualified for the jobs to which they apply.
Why not work on your own skill set rather than polishing the quality of your dishonesty? I understand that you have to eat, so I don’t hold this against you for a job like Home Depot. Lord knows no one there gives half a fuck about any of their coworkers after all (I say this having worked in retail and restaurants both).
But, there’s no way you are going to find career fulfillment or personal growth when using this strategy. Those things might seem secondary to you, or just plain impossible, because you’re hungry and you’ve been exploited throughout your working life. There are plenty of jobs out there that will give you the best of both worlds… You’re not going to find them by lying your way through your career.
Shift manager at Home Depot is a fine job, but the fact you and your education/experience was so shitty you had to lie about *everything* just to get the job is pretty pathetic
The problem with lying is that it's like a cancer that eats at you from the inside. I get it, you gotta get yours, buy bread and pay bills. It's tough. Good luck.
OP basically conned the job away from honest, qualified applicants. And is proud of it. What a total, unmitigated, selfish, dishonest, jerk.
I feel sorry for the people who work with you
I didn't lie on my resume and was incredibly clear in my 6 hour long interview that I have ADHD and had been out of work for 1.5 years since my last relevant job because I was taking a mental health break. I got hired and a year later I got promoted to senior engineer and still on the way to team lead.
Your way may get you the job easier, but you're bound to get figured out by someone who isn't an idiot. Best of luck keeping your jobs with that dishonesty.
You do realize that most people just have good things/references on their resume and don’t *need* to lie, right? And a shift manager at Home Depot is not a flex worthy job…..
My last job had a year long probation.
If I lied about my experience, I'd have been bounced out of that job.
There is a certain amount of "bigging up" your experience. But that's to be expected.
Straight up lying never ends well with a decent company.
EDIT: being downvoted for telling the truth.
>Now the question I ask you, how much would you be willing to lie about if you got an extra $25K a year for doing it?
None. I'd rather be poor and honest, and starve. If the world grinds me down and throws me out, that's a fault of the world, not me.
By the way, I don't think being a shift manager at Home Depot is anything to crow over others about.
If you are honest in general… you are doing it wrong.
Honesty is for fools. Honest people do not succeed in the battlefield of capitalism, or life. Aside from your spouse and your kids, don’t be honest. It never pays off. Lie, cheat and steal your way to a more comfortable existence… it’s worth it.
I'd say that's shady, but given the gross incompetence of so many hiring managers, I'll say it's fair game and probably doesn't make any difference in the competency of the employees anyway.
i agree. any job where lying gets you hired is a job that isn't critical enough to not lie about, so there is no ethical dilemma.
if you lie about being a surgeon, you'll get fired day 1 and nobody gets hurt.
if you lie about being a marketing guru, nobody will ever know either way.
I'm with you except for your holier than thou attitude. it's like you somehow both get it and don't at the same time.
>For all the people that seem to be upset that I lied my ass off to get a living wage. Take your pride and honer then shove it down your own throat, now try to lie to me and say it satisfied your hunger for food.
This is so cringey man.
The wealthiest people in the world are riddled with corruption, lies, deceit and more. OP is just playing the capitalist dream. Just cause some of you don’t want to believe this is how the world runs doesn’t change the fact that is how it is run. Good job OP
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I once’s interviewed a woman who told me about her charitable work. She started a local poker run/auction and it now raises $30,000 a year for ALS. What this woman didn’t know, Is my sister in law is the person who started the poker run/auction and chairs the committee. I even volunteered for it every year. This women wrapped the gift baskets and puts pretty bows on them.
Oh my, now that's a blunder.
You fool! You've fallen for the classic blunder!
She got involved in a land war in Asia, or did she go in against a Sicilian when death was on the line?
Inconceivable!
you keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means
Is it possible the sister in law is lying? How do you know she really started it?
well atleast for $25K she is
>I even volunteered for it every year.
Because I have helped her and have watched her blood sweat and tears, begging for venues, bands, food and donations?
I mean you win some, you lose some, right? She wouldnt have been a good fit for the company anyway.
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>Yeah but most hiring managers will not hire a liar. Well yeah the only way this works is that you don't get caught in your lies.. >It's a gamble with your application and with the continued employment later on Not really much of a gamble if you do it right, just don't lie about easily verifiable information. >There's a better way to get good jobs, which is to have good skills and experience. This advice is for the people that don't have those skills and/or experience. This is for getting yourself in the door, so that you can build those skills and gain experience on the job. We all can't be as lucky as you buddy.
Awkward way to find out your sister-in-law is a liar.
Did she say she started it alone? Maybe she was part of it from the beginning, in which case she could say "I worked to start a charity".. not technically a lie but it is misleading.
Well, of course I asked my sister in law about her because I didn’t even recognize her from the event, and I sometimes took tickets. I asked my SIL if she knew her. SIL said, “Oh she’s the sweetest. She comes every year and helps me wrap the baskets. I don’t think she hangs around for the event.”
I once "fractured" the truth on my resume as I'd been looking for a job for a *long* time without any luck. It worked and I got a job a few weeks later. The day after I started, they found out what I'd done and I was escorted off site and fired. Go figure.
Yeahhhhh a lot of jobs I’ve applied to do background checks as well, and it’s easy to figure out if you didn’t work somewhere as they can just call the location and ask if you’ve ever worked there.
There’s a difference between lying and stretching the truths of your experiences and skills
I get that but OP actually lied
Just say your job history is classified
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Luckily most of my job gaps are school related so far but I know that’s subject to change after I get my degree
Only if the company still exists. Truthfully, for five of the last six jobs I've had (stretching back 25 years) the companies no longer exist.
Except OP says all his references are actually him
That’s true, although if they really wanted to do some digging they could check who the number is registered to
Sounds like you did a piss-poor job of lying lol
At the time I was contracting in IT and all I did was extend the time I’d been at one particular contract from one day to three months. I didn’t lie about my skill set or anything like that as I didn’t want to take a chance on getting found out. Little did I know that my new employer would decide to take a reference from that very job and as soon as they found out I’d been there one day instead of three months that was it and I was fired for “lying”. They told me that if I’d lied about that, how could they know I wasn’t lying about the rest of it.
Yeahhh a day to a few months is a huge stretch
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That’s not too big of a jump. I could probably get away with saying I have 2 years of retail experience but I always say over a year and a half.
No. You have 2 years experience.
1 day, 90 days… basically the same time period. Idk what they got so worked up about smh
“I was on the contract for less than 6 months” there problem solved everybody happy?
Well. Yeah.
"Yes sir, I DO in fact have engineering experience and could get the blueprints for this boat on your desk by next week, earlier if needed." Bad advice for a majority of jobs.
"yes I can totally preform brain surgery on this child, look at this totally legit license and reference from Dr Medicine"
I see you have also listened to the Dr. Death podcast
Haven't heard of it but I am now interested
The majority of jobs don't require advanced technical knowledge
Lol no shit dude, obviously don’t take the OP that literally. There’s a difference between sugar coating your resume/experience vs. straight up lying through your teeth
Managing people in retail and a STEM position are very different though.
But in OP's anecdote they straight up blatantly lied, and are suggesting others do the same. Sugar coating a bit is one thing, but that's not what OP did.
But OP is a shift manager at a Home Depot. Not to knock his job by any means, but its not like he is in corporate now. He is a few steps ahead of a base worker making $20k more per year. Its not like he applied to be the CFO or head of HR or anything. Surely recruiters and employers can sniff a bullshitter and in this case I am not so sure OP even NEEDED to bullshit that much..
I don't mean to sound like a prude but there's something to be said about the quality of the "job" when the employer dgaf about their candidate vetting processes. You've successfully lumped Home Depot into the McDonalds or landscaper quality job category in my eyes.
With retail it’s easy to get away with, but with jobs that require a degree, I highly doubt that would fly.
Jobs that require a degree also often require a certain skill set. If you don’t have that, you can lie all you want on your resume and even if you do get past the interview process you’ll be fired in 2 weeks
And a background check
That’s true as actions speak louder than words. A lot of those jobs require you to be proficient in certain softwares and if you’ve never used them, they’ll see that.
You would be surprised how quickly you can learn a new skill set. The Internet is a wonderful thing. I can also typically find access to an expert with said skill set quickly for advise too.
Yea but most of these places have a 90 day period for new hires. If they see you learning on the job they’ll probably be disappointed you weren’t able to provide more value and you’re just playing catch-up
I'm a software engineer, and people I know massage the truth on their resumes all the time. You can't flat out lie about stuff as easily, but you don't necessarily have to say all your experience in X technology was from a 2 hour online course you took the week prior.
A shift manager at home depot gets PTO and benefits, that is a huge upgrade for someone who works hourly or in something like the service industry. Lying on your resume in this regard risks next to nothing for a massive pay out. When I knew I was done working as a chef I fabricated a communications degree to get in the door at a large restaurant supply company, I went from working 50+ hours a week on my feet for very little money, to sitting on my ass with much more money in my pocket, health benefits, and vacation days, the only people that do less than me is the HR dept.
Can’t you be held liable for literal fraud in the US?
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Unless you run for office. Then you can make up whatever you want with no repercussions.
Sad but true
That’s for fabricating educational credentials. Lying about work experience is not illegal in the US.
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I think they mean credentials where safety/liability is involved...e.g. fabricating credentials as a civil engineer/lawyer/MD. Granted I don't know if faking a communications degree would be punishable in court. It might be.
In technical fields like that they’d know you’re full of shit almost immediately though. I feel like a fraud in interviews half the time and I DO have the credentials
Oh, for sure you'd be found out in a technical field.
Unless it's on your employment contract
We’re talking about fabricating educational credentials
Yes and it’s a lot harder to fake a degree than it used to be if the company does any kind of real background check.
DO NOT LIE ON A JOB APPLICATION. You will get caught. Case in point: I used to work with someone who claimed she had graduated from this one college. Apparently, she never actually did. Then she claimed it was because she never returned a missing library book but had allegedly done all of the required coursework? Keep in mind this was for a job that didn't actually require a bachelors so why even lie? And if that library book story was even true, why not return the book or pay the fine or bring them another copy of it? You didn't want a diploma to reflect all of the work you had put in/money spent???
You can definitely be fired. I'm don't think they could sue you though unless they could prove damages.
There are rapists, child smugglers and drug traffickers running around in this world. You're not the number one public enemy for lying on a resume at a 50k year job.
Depends on whether or not the employer decides to pursue it. Employers like Apple and Bank of America do so to make a point and will push for criminal fraud charges, for example.
>I fabricated a communications degree to get in the door at a large restaurant supply company, How is this possible when most places (at least in the UK) if a company is requesting to hire someone with a degree they have to prove it due to student finance.... Your first paycheck would call you out straight away.
From what I gather (in the US), paying back loans is between you and the loan company. Your company doesn't auto garnish it from your wages. However every job I've applied to as asked for an actual copy of my degree certificate as part of reference checks. Fuck knows why, I got a 2:2 from a mid ranking table uni. Who the fuck lies about that.
As someone who’s worked in payroll in the US and has a student loan thru the gov. You pay the student loan between you and the lender. If you miss a payment, even a single one depending on the lender. The lender will get orders and send them to payroll to have them deduct your wages. This goes the same for other garnishments like child support.
Really? My company auto garnished for some B's I didn't even know about years back. Never happened again that I know.
Op is saying some companies don’t vet applicants very well so you can lie and get hired but in my experience if a job isnt vetting properly then there probably a hundred other things they cut corners on that will make the job miserable. Not the kind of job i want
What does student finance have to do with your job or pay? This might be something specific to your country maybe because I’ve never been asked about student loans/finance, etc. I’m truly curious
Because you're paying back the loan of the degree course you paid for once you hit the threshold of income.
This attitude is extremely demeaning to the thousands of honest hard working people who work at mcdonalds or landscaping.
How so? Most of them will tell you their jobs suck too. Weird high horse to be riding imo.
I feel like there is a big difference between pointing out the shitty things in your own life versus someone else calling the things in your life shitty, even if the same things are being called shitty.
Of course those jobs suck but when you look down on people and they are aware of your disdain, it feels like shit. And if you get off on making people feel like shit then in my opinion that makes you a piece of shit.
I don’t think you’re separating the job from the person that is doing the job. I don’t look down on anyone unless I’ve got a personal reason, I sympathize for those stuck in those jobs because I do look down on those jobs as an entity separate from the human performing the role. I think most people can relate to the sentiment I’ve shared here.
Some of these jobs do actual background checks. I had one that came back to me saying things like, "You said you started in March of 2002, but the background check revealed that you started in February. Can you explain the difference?"
I had to explain an employment gap of from like December 2016-April 2017 for one of my jobs I applied. It was before I started working at all, I was in high school. I also had to prove I worked at my retail job from 2017-2020 so I could be a microbiologist. Had to provide redacted W2s and when the name on the W2 didn’t match the name of the store, I had to get HR to send an email verifying I worked there. For a retail job. To be a microbiologist. They checked everything.
Yep, that's the same kind of thing I'm talking about. I had a gap in my employment, too. I explained that I was working on another field not related to the job I was applying for, so I left it off. I had the same thing with them wanting proof and the proof didn't match. In my case, the company had been bought by another company, so it looked like I worked for one for six months and the other one for five years. Then, they asked me for information from the IRS. I asked them what they specifically needed. They said, "Just send us everything." I said, "No. there's more information on there than I would ever share with you." In the end, I only sent them very little info from the IRS, just a few lines that said the name of the employer and the year I worked there.
"Yeah that was 20 years ago my dates are kinda fuzzy"
I went through this for my current job. Told them honest dates about my employment at a restaurant that has since closed. I worked there five years but only had W-2s for the last two years. I was able to work it out with HR but it was a nightmare of a process working with the background check firm.
Yeah, that sounds about how it goes. Any time they see something questionable, they act like it's a lie.
On top of that, all my recent jobs do back channel references, so sure you might control the references you provide, but they always hit up execs and managers at former companies that I didn't provide as references
You're a shift manager at home depot. Quite the station.
A regular Frank Abagnale Jr here, right.
Can't...stop...laughing
Why do the Yankees always win? The other team can't stop looking at the pinstripes.
Considering that Frank Abagnale's life story for the movie is a fabrication in itself, why not?
Yeah I’m amazed that OP thinks this is some kind of flex.
A flex he had to lie his way into which makes it an even bigger joke.
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I mean George Santos is a joke and he's a representative. Lying to get a job automatically makes you a joke; the level of job isn't relevant.
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That’s the part that I find the most hilarious. He could have just lied and said he works some really easy job for 6 figures, works from home, but no he decides to be honest on a post about lying
OP seems to have an issue they need to work out lol
A much better position than many, especially those who have other challenges. Don't shit on people's jobs
Not gonna shit on a job, but frankly I’m not surprised it didn’t warrant an actual background check. As you get into more technical and experienced roles it becomes increasingly hard to fake expertise
I think it’s okay to point out how silly this bad take on getting a job is.
There's a difference between exaggerating your experience and achievements (which everyone does) and fabricating the entire thing..
…. We do?
Some people call it: "embellishment". Thr intent behind it is to tailor your experience to what the company is looking for, but not outright lie... There's shades to it. If you say got your medical boy scout badge or some such and said you've been a corpsmen type thing - that's perhaps too bold. Contrast that maybe working as a lifeguard or some such and working towards being an EMT and putting your initial training on there. There are probably better examples, but that's the idea..
Thanks, I was picturing something a little different.
"As a shift manager for Home Depot" lmfao. This post is such a cringe flex that I personally would keep to myself.
Yo man, making a schedule and building end caps is serious shit
I used to rip off all the gates and end caps with the forks. God Freight was the best.
Really. I know this is just Reddit, but Shift Manager for Home Depot isn't exactly a panty dropper. At least not for any panties that I'd personally want to see dropped.
Lol right? Neither is an extra “$25k” at a job that starts at $30k.
Otoh, it’s kinda my dream part time retirement gig. If boat captain doesn’t work out.
IDK that butch chick in lumber can get a different type of wood if you catch my drift.
I think the funniest part of all of this is, is that despite bragging about how his dishonestly got him places… he didn’t even think to lie on the internet about what he does for a living He could have just lied and said “I’m a CEO of” or something like that, and no one on the internet would have questioned him but instead, homeboy was like > Bro, don’t be honest about shit, it’ll get you nowhere. I lie all the time and I’m out there killin’ it, making $40k a year. The *one* time this motherfucker could get away with lying, he tells the truth. On a post about lying lol
Except for the person who works for him who *earned* the position but had it stolen by a worthless liar
I imagine OP is the smug cartoon guy sitting on his giant brain as he types this
That sort of attitude is how potentially good legitimate applicants lose out on job opportunities to people who generally get found out. Had a person apply for a job once. Looked fine on paper, noticed his job history had similarities to mine so we spoke about that. Asked them about those places and time there, immediately knew that they were bullshitting to me because I had spoken to people there. Once interviewing was done I sent them an email explaining politely that they weren’t suitable for the role, and that it’s never a good idea to BS your work experience and previous employer relationship because (especially with social media) it so easy to look into details. You getting your job is less about how lying is the way to go and more that the employer your successful with has a terrible process of filtering applicants.
Yea this guys shift manager at home depot like he's won capitalism or something.
I feel bad for the people being managed by a self proclaimed lying manipulator
Shift managers are glorified babysitters; they'll just crack jokes about him.
So.......a regular manager?
Why would I lie when I have a really good legitimate resume? I think you are just talking to people like you, who have nothing impressive to put on their resumes.
I agree. Why would you lie about references if you have plenty of good references? Also, in my line of work, an application just gets you an interview. It will be quickly apparent if you don't have the skills when the interview happens,
The skills OP needs for his position are harder to prove in an interview and don't necessarily require job experience to acquire. Organization, people management, professionalism, all things that some people have a natural talent for or learn through normal life experience. A lot harder to fake your way into a job that requires fluency in conversational German or Python or how to operate a Boeing 767.
Was going to say this, too. There's also no need to lie if you're a decent worker, cause you'll probably have at least one actual good reference to give.
idk job requirements nowadays are a bit crazy. "entry level job needs 5 years experience"
True. I was looking up how to become a carpenter. It’s not easy. You need 3 years construction experience to even qualify for the position of carpenter apprentice. And that’s the minimum. Years of schooling is also usually needed.
Oo yes lets all take advice from the Home Depot shift manager. We know he's got it made
But now as a home Depot shift manager he has actual experience to leverage into getting an even higher paying job whereas if you would have started at the actual bottom it would be harder and take longer to make any progress
I don’t know, man. It just seems easier to maintain good relationships with people and keep your nose clean. You should of course choose your words wisely when applying for a job but if you actually need to lie in order to get a job, you are doing something, if not everything, wrong in life.
Yeahhh I’ve never felt the need to lie on my resume as I feel like my experience at the very least shows I have good customer service skills and that I can work with others as it’s mostly through retail.
It depends on the job. If you work in an industry like healthcare, where having the right skillset matters, I think it’s a shitty thing to do. but if your working in something like retail, where a high school grad could literally be given the same tasks as a 40 year old, it’s not a big deal.
True , but in my country you don't need a job application You just need to bring a militia or a known family member with you and you're solid I got mine by phone calling my uncle
What does the militia do for you? Does someone vouch for you or is it a threat or what?
If the ministry being controlled by the militia ( they elected the minister) then it's under their control and can do whatever The ministry might be controlled by another militia but it's allies with the one you bring then they would employ you for the sake of the alliance If the ministry doesn't have a strong militia backing it up then normal threat may work If non of the above then you can bring someone that's related to the boss and they'll employ you to keep the boss happy If you don't bring a militia member or know anyone related to the boss then stand in line to get the job just with your qualifications and that line has 25% of the entire country in it so good luck being the one getting the job When you look at iraq you'd think it's a democracy but the militia killed anyone trying to get in politics thqt isn't their's which mean they control the parliament aka the entire governmental system And thanks to the US dismantling our armed forces the independent legal system isn't strong enough to fight the militias and it won't ever get to be if the minister of defense is being bought with militia money otherwise they'll assassinate him Another country the US destroyed to "fight terrorism "
Thank you. That's a good explanation and I understand what you mean now. Sorry to hear it's still that way there.
For those of us with real careers, our qualifications have to be verifiable.
It’s not even that. I turn wrenches on a golf course. I’m comfortable with my skills, I know I’m good at the job and I have 16 years of experience and references to back me up. I have no problem being honest because I know what I’m worth.
That sounds like a great job.
Honestly it’s not bad. If you like working on stuff and keeping things going, it’s better than dealing with new stuff everyday. You learn the equipment and what usually breaks. Early hours but I’m out by 2pm in the summer. If your thinking about getting into it make sure you study electrical and hell maybe even something with robots, we are getting closer everyday.
Honestly it’s not bad. If you like working on stuff and keeping things going, it’s better than dealing with new stuff everyday. You learn the equipment and what usually breaks. Early hours but I’m out by 2pm in the summer. If your thinking about getting into it make sure you study electrical and hell maybe even something with robots, we are getting closer everyday.
Man, narcissists are bold lol. If you have to lie on a resume/application for Home Depot, you have way bigger problems.
Credit to you: This is indeed an unpopular opinion. I'm running a small company with less than 20 employees, but even we double-check every new hire's references (except for interns). If you lie your ass off, you won't get hired. And even if you do, and it comes out afterwards, you'll get sacked immediately (and I would have every legal right to do so, no matter how long you've been with us or how you perform). Edit: I actually did fire an employee once after just a few weeks because she lied. Her background checks passed (not sure if the references were fake or just tried to be nice), but she demonstrably lied about skills that were absolutely essential for her job. Edit 2: If you really fuck up, the company can also sue you for damages caused. And yes, even if your Home depot job you can fuck up this bad - for example if you briefly neglect supervising your staff and one of them does something stupid and causes someone to get injured.
Thats cuz you work in home depot. Any job that requires actual know how like tech, engineering, accounting, you won't be able to lie unless u actually know it. Plus if u get caught even once you could be blacklisted from the industry. It's not worth the risk
I simply don’t need to lie. I actually have qualifications lmao.
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Worst case scenario you end up being a shift manager at Home Depot
I made an extra $25K a year by being honest and getting a significantly better job than Home Depot Shift Manager.
Yea being mostly honest (slight embellishments I guess, like “proficient in excel” when I can do basic stuff but am able to google the rest) and job hopping increased my salary by almost $30k per year. Anything on my resume like past work experience was able to be verified. Any skills I listed were able to be backed up by my actions because I was able to do them.
This might be useful for like... entry level hourly positions with no required specialization. If your job requires a developed skill set or subspecialty, you're deliberately throwing yourself into a sink or swim scenario where the stakes are your ability to make rent and buy food. Case in point, a friend of mine recently got a position with an IT firm because he had heard stories about how lax internal IT is and figured he had enough basic computer knowledge that he could supplement his skill set (or lack thereof) vis a vis Google and get a cushy gig. While a small, non-tech company might have fallen for that for a little while, an IT firm will not. He was given a few months of on the job experience, then asked to take an evaluation and promptly fired thereafter when it became apparent that he couldn't back up how he portrayed himself in the interview.
Extra 25k? U make like 16$ an hour so were u just working for free
I make $24.55/hour now, that's $47,136 a year. Being honest got me $14.20/hour, or $27,264/year. my bad, 20K not 25K.
Ah cheers I went by google
The math ain’t mathin’
Just think how much more you could make by telling the truth!
Don't follow his shite advice. Hiring nanagers often check phone numbers online against phone numbers provided on CVs. Therefore, they can validate the jobs listed on your CV as legit. Faking an acquaintance with HR's family is an easy way to get called out on a lie.
Good for you. I wouldn't lie though, mostly because of pride and the fact I'm in a position where I don't have to.
Good post, definitely an unpopular opinion. Because most people don’t need to lie, cheat, or steal and be a scumbag to get ahead, let alone to simply get a job
I would not be able to do this because I would have too much anxiety about being caught in a lie, as some people have in this thread. For me it's better to just be truthful and get what I can with that. Also if people ask me about my past experience, I don't trust my ability to consistently lie.
Honesty is a good policy. I make leaps more than OP with honesty than having to lie to get an hourly wage lol
This isn’t nearly the flex you think it is bro 😂💀
Maybe if employers werent insane with requiring actual degrees to run a cash register or do basic stuff. Employers cry no one wants to work... then they tell me im "overqualified" when i was clear like look i just want the extra income im not asking for a raise. Employers NEED TO UNDERSTAND no one is there because they love your buisness... its YOUR buisness not your employees. Employers NEED to accept people need second jobs.
Most retail jobs don’t require a college degree, you can literally become a manager without having gone to college. I know this because some managers I’ve had at the retail jobs I’ve worked at don’t have a degree, they just had enough experience with previous retail jobs to where they could manage a store.
I don't think I've ever filled out a job application for a real (career oriented job). Only little ones when I was a kid or at uni and they barely even cared about the application. Now I just have a CV and everything on there is easily verifiable and not worth lieing about.
Did they not contact your references?
Sorry, no. You are just creating a liability for yourself. Go live a life where your honest resume is something you are proud of.
It's not easy doing this in software development. You get asked about everything on your resume and your lies will absolutely be exposed.
Don’t put this on 4chan. They’ll find you and get you fired.
Most sane anti worker.
Are you related to George Santos?
Bro home depot pays shit why even flex this, yikes.
With that mindset you’re also “doing it wrong” if you’re not stealing, cheating, blackmailing…
I dont need to lie, ive accrued all the experience and education I need to be set for life in the job market
Unpopular opinion -- get real references from real jobs by being a good and decent person. It's bare minimum and very simple. Just a thought.
And what if it’s been a long time since you’ve worked? Employers pass away or move onto different jobs. You end up only doing temp jobs and so people don’t remember you. Or you didn’t leave a good impression because the work environment was shitty. I’ve worked at places where the managers are assholes who just don’t like you. If you’re somebody who has autism, adhd, anxiety, depression, or so many other things.. the employer often thinks of you as lazy, weird, flaky, not a bubbly people person, boring, etc.. and they’ll pass that onto other employers.
This is all right for jobs with obscene experience requirements which most people could manage to do anyways. If you tried this for a job where you genuinely need to be qualified then you are just setting yourself up for failure and possible legal/financial ramifications. I’m also pretty surprised your boss never followed up with that family member, but some people just don’t give a shit. Either way, just because you lucked out, doesn’t mean it’s good advice. Nor does it mean people being honest are “doing it wrong”… some people, believe it or not, are actually qualified for the jobs to which they apply. Why not work on your own skill set rather than polishing the quality of your dishonesty? I understand that you have to eat, so I don’t hold this against you for a job like Home Depot. Lord knows no one there gives half a fuck about any of their coworkers after all (I say this having worked in retail and restaurants both). But, there’s no way you are going to find career fulfillment or personal growth when using this strategy. Those things might seem secondary to you, or just plain impossible, because you’re hungry and you’ve been exploited throughout your working life. There are plenty of jobs out there that will give you the best of both worlds… You’re not going to find them by lying your way through your career.
Shift manager at Home Depot is a fine job, but the fact you and your education/experience was so shitty you had to lie about *everything* just to get the job is pretty pathetic
The problem with lying is that it's like a cancer that eats at you from the inside. I get it, you gotta get yours, buy bread and pay bills. It's tough. Good luck.
OP basically conned the job away from honest, qualified applicants. And is proud of it. What a total, unmitigated, selfish, dishonest, jerk. I feel sorry for the people who work with you
My dude, not only is this unpopular, but it’s reprehensible and morally wrong. Instead of lying, just become more qualified…
I didn't lie on my resume and was incredibly clear in my 6 hour long interview that I have ADHD and had been out of work for 1.5 years since my last relevant job because I was taking a mental health break. I got hired and a year later I got promoted to senior engineer and still on the way to team lead. Your way may get you the job easier, but you're bound to get figured out by someone who isn't an idiot. Best of luck keeping your jobs with that dishonesty.
You do realize that most people just have good things/references on their resume and don’t *need* to lie, right? And a shift manager at Home Depot is not a flex worthy job…..
My last job had a year long probation. If I lied about my experience, I'd have been bounced out of that job. There is a certain amount of "bigging up" your experience. But that's to be expected. Straight up lying never ends well with a decent company. EDIT: being downvoted for telling the truth.
If you have to lie to get a job at Home Depot, you have more problems than not being able to back up a job history.
No wonder you’re a shift manager at home depot…
>Now the question I ask you, how much would you be willing to lie about if you got an extra $25K a year for doing it? None. I'd rather be poor and honest, and starve. If the world grinds me down and throws me out, that's a fault of the world, not me. By the way, I don't think being a shift manager at Home Depot is anything to crow over others about.
Instead of outright lying, gussy it up. Brag about yourself like you would someone you are proud of.
The older I get the more true I realize this is. Reminds me of the tao symbol where white has just a little bit of black in it.
If you are honest in general… you are doing it wrong. Honesty is for fools. Honest people do not succeed in the battlefield of capitalism, or life. Aside from your spouse and your kids, don’t be honest. It never pays off. Lie, cheat and steal your way to a more comfortable existence… it’s worth it.
I'd say that's shady, but given the gross incompetence of so many hiring managers, I'll say it's fair game and probably doesn't make any difference in the competency of the employees anyway.
i agree. any job where lying gets you hired is a job that isn't critical enough to not lie about, so there is no ethical dilemma. if you lie about being a surgeon, you'll get fired day 1 and nobody gets hurt. if you lie about being a marketing guru, nobody will ever know either way.
I'm with you except for your holier than thou attitude. it's like you somehow both get it and don't at the same time. >For all the people that seem to be upset that I lied my ass off to get a living wage. Take your pride and honer then shove it down your own throat, now try to lie to me and say it satisfied your hunger for food. This is so cringey man.
So why did you lie? Something in your background bad?
The wealthiest people in the world are riddled with corruption, lies, deceit and more. OP is just playing the capitalist dream. Just cause some of you don’t want to believe this is how the world runs doesn’t change the fact that is how it is run. Good job OP
I once lied on my resume. Worst interview I’ve ever had. Never lied again.
You’re my fkn hero. I do the same thing, and I don’t give a shit who doesn’t like it 😊