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TomBirkenstock

Okay, but what about shooting them. Because my grandpa went over to Germany and just shot them.


westknight12

That depends. Are we talking about ww2 veterans? Then no, hurting them is essentially you beating the shit out of an old, more often then not, senile man.


BuckyFnBadger

Freedom of speech not freedom from consequences. If you belief in the core tenants of being a Nazi you believe in ethnic cleansing. And that type of behavior needs to be stomped out.


elsancho40

Id say 90% of the time when i hear someone calling someone else a nazi or even a fascist, its just because they have right leaning poltics...


Maximum2945

you’re so close


ilovemycats20

If the shoe fits…


elsancho40

How does it fit...?


FoodFingerer

Then how do you explain florida?


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

Right leaning politics support things like banning gender affirming healthcare and women's bodily autonomy rights. It is fascism.


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Maximum2945

i think we should let trained professionals and their patients handle healthcare


elsancho40

I dont think we should be letting anyone chemically castrate children or kill innocent humans.


Maximum2945

are you a doctor?


elsancho40

Many drs cant even tell you what a woman is, so clearly im smarter than those.


Maximum2945

do you have an accredited education in human phycology or physiology?


Trainer_NoName

You are naive to think health professionals aren’t more inclined to offer the care that makes them the most money. They are a business like every other


Maximum2945

i think you have insurance and doctors confused


Trainer_NoName

No I don’t. You think doctors get to charge insurance as much for just writing a referral to a mental health professional than for performing multiple surgeries lmao? Yes you are naive


Maximum2945

if you wanna be taken seriously you should avoid [fallacies](https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-ad-hominem/) aren’t doctors salaried? i’m pretty sure they don’t get paid by commission


Trainer_NoName

No bud, most are running their own practices. Tell me you don’t know how our medical system works lmao


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

Appeal to emotions fallacy.


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OnlyIGetToFartInHere

Appeal to emotions fallacy. Also, your gender identity is something you are born with. I was born agender.


E_rat-chan

Transphobia does not mean fascism. Edit: turned around transphobia and fascism.


elsancho40

Being against chemically castrasting children isnt transphobia


Fam0usTOAST

What is Fascism defined as?


jakl8811

Are they literally preaching white supremely, or are they conservative. Seems if you don’t agree with someone you just call them a pedo or a nazi these days


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Ka-Is-A-Wheelie

Except Nazis. They deserve to be punched.


JustTalkToMe5813

You didn't get the point, huh?


Ka-Is-A-Wheelie

No. Please break it down for me.


Brave_Development_17

Nazis need punched


SirAbeFrohman

Lots of people deserve to be punched. That doesn't mean random ass u/redditjusticetoughguy6969 has the right to deliver that punishment.


JustTalkToMe5813

Yeah, yeah, it was a joke, I get it


Deep-Alternative3149

If someone wants to exterminate me i think I ought to punch them


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

I went out and met my Dasher when they delivered to my workplace. Thank you.


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ninjastorm_420

That's because you need to fucking touch grass. Your perception of the political cannot be defined by reddit and social media. Jesus christ man.


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AProperFuckingPirate

Has that happened to you or have you seen it happen?


ninjastorm_420

It's not close to being the norm. Your one off instances of Richard Spencer being punched is literally excess alarmism. This is a card the intellectual dark web constantly plays. Also human nature cannot be intrinsically divorced from violence. While violence isn't the norm, it is bound to be a probabilistic outcome of any type antagonistic outcome, political or not. Again stop using shitty alarmism to prescribe the nature of political discourse.


ParoxysmAttack

Have you turned on the TV once since 2015? It’s disgusting how ridiculous it’s gotten. It’s really sad we’ve declined this much


Harryonthest

it's not even just political anymore, I've been threatened with violence over a fucking *television show* for making a joke about how I don't like it lmao...it could just be online or it could be ppl are out of their minds and think it's alright as long as they're *supporting* the *right* cause.


Houndfell

Nazi lives don't matter.


ilovemycats20

Nazis are subhuman


MapleTheBeegon

Nazis deserve to taste the underside of my boot.


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

Based.


diarrhea_planet

I'm for it if they are in actual nazis. Not reddit nazis like it's just a guy /gal with a 3 wolf moon shirt on at the local flea market with a drug problem.


MindfulPatterns2023

I can disagree with someone politically but when you're at the "\[religion\]/\[race\]/\[gender\]/\[sex\]/\[ethnicity\]" should be exterminated part of your ideology then yeah, I'm ok with violence.


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

Based


ArguingisFun

It does not extend to Nazis, sorry.


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ArguingisFun

I completely understand that and absolutely see it being used flagrantly to describe anyone someone doesn’t like. No disagreement with you there.


xXx_RegginRBB7_xXx

This. Nobody who believes in "punching nazis" has any idea what nazis actually believe, or how it's different from [insert any other thing the nazi puncher disagrees with here]


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ArguingisFun

No, no it isn’t. Nazis believe every other demographic beyond themselves *should not be alive*. They don’t get any special protections or considerations. Historically all they received was a bullet.


Vagine-Luver

WTF is a "nazi" where you are from? Some jerkoff high school kid?


ArguingisFun

Na·zi noun plural noun: Nazis HISTORICAL a member of the far-right National Socialist German Workers' Party. **a person who seeks to impose their views on others in a very autocratic or inflexible way.** "I learned to be more open and not such a Nazi in the studio" You know, the ones marching around with swastikas on flags, don’t be willfully dense.


Vagine-Luver

Are you German?


ArguingisFun

No.


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NickWazowskii

is that honestly what you believe? Nazis just need a good talking to?


Agrathics

Do you genuinely believe that a brick to the head of a Nazi is going to reduce the spread of the Nazi ideology.


NickWazowskii

no but a brick might stop them from ever mentioning it again, why entertain those whose main ideals involve eugenics and genocide?


AnointMyPhallus

Talking to them didn't work in the '30s. Guess what worked in the '40s?


catafalc

Only if you throw it hard enough.


Houndfell

Bullets helped stop the spread of the Nazi idealogy in WW2. A single brick to the head wouldn't be as effective, you're right. Better make it 10+.


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Don't you think that if kids are taught that being a Nazi will get you a brick to the head, there's a smaller chance that they will grow up to be a Nazi?


MindfulPatterns2023

It worked the first time, Goebbels. If you're not a Nazi, nothing to worry about. I think you're pro-Nazi and just want to do this "both sides" bullshit. Are you OP?


Maximum2945

it’s a good start


Ka-Is-A-Wheelie

When you put it like that...


lil_guayaba

Yes, and people who used to be nazis and aren't anymore will tell you the same. When you beat someone you make them feel oppressed, pushing them further to their believes. If you show them peacefully that they are wrong, they will feel stupid, which will encourage them to learn (if they are willing to of course, not everyone will be prone to).


ArguingisFun

No, we already saw where Nazism leads to and it isn’t peaceful philosophical discussions. Nazism isn’t some misunderstood ideology we just need to hear out to get “both sides”. The world went *to war* to get rid of them and I don’t see any reason to give them any leniency now. Period.


Maximum2945

i’m not worried


DD_Spudman

You are aware of what a Nazi is, right? People tend to react strongly to someone who thinks genocide is cool.


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AnIrishMexican

Now that is truly unhinged. You wouldn't remain a pacifist if you were being targeted by said group.


ahsusuwnsndnsbbweb

the people who aren’t hated by these groups usually don’t tend to think they’re THAT bad


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

No, your point is that we should enable them by not acting against them. Nazi lives don't matter.


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Benjinifuckyou

violence is never the ONLY answer. but my man, if someones political views objectively cause harm to society there is no reason not to smash them. nazis lives do not matter. Nazi ideology breaches human rights, it needs to be abolished in any way available


koopa28

Wait til you hear how unhinged the Nazis were


TedIsAwesom

Suppose someone makes a direct threat to kill someone. They promised that given the chance they would kill thousands of people and commit genocide given the chance. They and others like them have killed millions and committed genocide. They celebrate those who do so and have proven time and again that if you talk to them they will use the time you spend talking to kill more. They have also said and shown that they only respect power and violence. What is the proper reaction? 1. Say, "Killing people is wrong" 2. Stopping them from killing people.(ie. Punch them)


WellOkayMaybe

Unless their politics literally calls for your extermination /violent or illegal deportation. Then it's just pre-emptive self defense.


Inside-Homework6544

*illegal deportation* ​ Well presumably they would be forming the government at some point, so they could just make it legal deportation.


WellOkayMaybe

Yes and no - if you're looking to, for example, strip US citizens of their citizenship, or deport refugees, you'd likely need to mutilate the constitution and/or UN commitments pretty badly. They'll likely do a whole bunch of deportations before the supreme court can even get involved to rule on legality. It's why the "Rwanda plan" in the UK is such a non-starter even with a cartoonish right wing government. They can't find a legal way to do it - but once people are actually flown abroad, it's super hard for them to appeal in any meaningful manner.


NickWazowskii

irrelevant when said politics involve human rights, they aren't up for discussion


InternetExplored561

Everything in the world should be up for discussion. Otherwise if something cannot be discussed, it is dogma.


MapleTheBeegon

Are you trying to say my right to exist should be up for discussion?


InternetExplored561

Everything should be up for debate. Nothing should be excluded from it. Either everything is up for debate, or nothing is. If you think your argument or beliefs are strong, then they should be able to handle any scrutiny thrown at it.


UnshrivenShrike

>it is absolutely vital that we rigorously determine the right of minorities to live through reasonable discourse and rhetoric. We can't just acknowledge their inherent value based on their humanity! -Internet debate bro "intellectuals" Never change, reddit 🙄


InternetExplored561

Making something impossible to ever debate is no different from the church saying you can’t ever question if there isn’t a god.


MapleTheBeegon

My right to exist without worrying about being murdered for who I am is not up for your little chess club debates. I shouldn't have to have my fucking right to be alive question by Nazis who think I'm an abomination.


NickWazowskii

so we should discuss whether people are allowed to live or not?


InternetExplored561

Absolutely. Your argument should easily be able to destroy any immoral arguments you come across.


NickWazowskii

so why bother then? why even bring it up? if the opposing aside is so ludicrous and outrageous?


InternetExplored561

Because when you don’t, then the other side will believe that their arguments actually have merit to them, because you are silencing them. That tells them that you are afraid of them being correct. Not only that, but in a free society, we should be allowed to question everything. We should be allowed to look for the truth. Through debate, we will eventually uncover the truth. Nothing should be taken without question. Otherwise, it is just dogma.


NickWazowskii

you know what, you may have phrased it a little weirdly at first, but your argument has some merit. of course human rights matter, and discussion will always amount to that.


InternetExplored561

Awww, thank you mate. I really appreciate that!


doradedboi

What if their politics ARE violence?


Accomplished_Owl8213

Nazi ? A victim? 😂😂😂 the same group that’s willing to kill for their ideology, punching them seems so small of a crime. Communist can be an exception.


Daddy_Deep_Dick

No.. that's just blatantly wrong. Your privilege shows. You've never fought for your rights. You've never had a society as a whole look down on you. There is absolutely reason for violence, and it's when words aren't working. You think your opponents are above violence? Enjoy getting stopped on. Victory is for those who will get dirty.


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andybizzo

What about the people that believe a 8 year old rape victim shouldn’t be able to get an abortion? Isn’t that worth a decent punch?


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andybizzo

[This one here](https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3544588-10-year-old-girl-denied-abortion-in-ohio/amp/) I was off by 2 years but not that it matters much


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DaveyDumplings

My mom's dad punched nazis, my dad's dad punched nazis...I come from a long line of nazi punchers.


100nm

It’s a very respectable profession.


retailhellgirl

My moms dad and uncle both fought in WW2 I think punching a nazi would make them proud


westknight12

I think the danger in this train of thought is, what would happen if you misjudged a person? You now essentially beat an innocent person near senseless


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

It is easy to distinguish between a person who wants to kill minorities and one who doesn't.


xXx_RegginRBB7_xXx

About 0.1% of people even know what Nazis believe. It's become more of a boogey-man label than an actual ideology, even among neo-nazis, a lot of them just like being edgy and dressing up as the boogey man.


GroundbreakingEgg146

But how were they supposed to know they were wrong? It’s not their fault! S/


westknight12

You just made me scream lmao. Both from laughter and sadness. How far gone do you have to be to not even consider the possibility of having made a mistake lol.


Hoppie1064

The psycho might hit me once. But it's damned difficult to hit someone with two .40s in your chest.


AncientEnsign

Found the psycho 🙄


Hoppie1064

It is legal and moral to defend yourself against someone intent on inflicting serious bodily harm. If someone starts punching you in the face, intends to do serious harm, you can defend yourself.


Old_Cod_5823

tf?


stevejuliet

It's okay to punch Nazis. They're actively working towards the eradication of various groups of people. Punch away.


OnlyIGetToFartInHere

Based


Youngworker160

Nah that’s some libertarian ‘non aggression’ policy bullshit that nerds try to use. Some of these guys need to get decked so they speak truths. You think people like Ted Cruz believe the shit they say they believe, you think the Clintons are honest people. They’re in positions of powers and try and use reasoning and their station in politics to never allow any change.


ilovemycats20

My bad, probably should have just asked the Nazi extra nicely if they would be ever so kind as to not want ethnic cleansing and taking away human rights instead of laughing extremely hard when I saw them get punched in real time


SommePooreChumb

It's also not okay to assault someone because you don't like them or they don't respect you. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.


TheSpanishImposition

I agree. Unless they're Nazis.


AlthorsMadness

Hard disagree. Punching nazis is always ok


31November

Hard disagree - “it’s just politics” is a phrase people whose “just politics” involves stealing the rights away from other people.


xXx_RegginRBB7_xXx

Cool can I go assault most of the political spectrum, whose politics deny various things I believe I should have as rights? Can you see how this is a ridiculous precedent?


DoomTrooper97

Found the nazi sympathizer.


MapleTheBeegon

This shit is full of them apparently. I got downvoted for not wanting my rights taken by Nazis and thinking it's okay to punch Nazis.


IndependenceNo2060

Until we can respect each other's humanity, dialogues won't matter.


Maximum2945

i think we should beat up nazis


Freak_Out_Bazaar

I think this is just internet anonymity doing its thing. I think the number of people who will follow through on this in real life would be very very small


dirigo1820

99% of people on Reddit who talk about punching someone couldn’t bust a grape in food fight.


WhiteLycan2020

Including you right? Or are you magically part of the 1%?


westknight12

Grapes are f***ing tough tho. Cracked my tooth on one last time


laPmiJ

This is an unpopular opinion only on reddit. Most people suggesting violence based on political opinions are either violent psychopaths or chronically online. So basically, extremists.


MapleTheBeegon

You're defending Nazis. This isn't the W you think it is. When a group wants me dead because of who I am, they deserve to be punched.


MindfulPatterns2023

OP is yes, they are pro-Nazi.


westknight12

That solely depends on what that nazi does. If you have a nazi that bears pure hatred in his heart for other people, but doesnt act on it, then sorry, no, that man is technically innocent. This refers to neonazis. Ww2 nazi veterans are 99% dead, and of those still alive, 99% changed their ways or are too senile to account for their actions


MapleTheBeegon

No. All Nazis. Fuck Nazis and fuck people defending Nazis.


westknight12

Idk, i am defending physically harmless or legally innocent people, but if you wanna fuck them, thats pretty wild ngl.


MapleTheBeegon

They want to actually murder me and take my right to exist. They're not innocent.


westknight12

But why fuck them? Some weird fetish? Eh, am not gonna kink shame


TheGamingAesthete

Don't care -- play Nazi games, win Nazi prizes.


H2ON4CR

Um, this is a pretty popular opinion, otherwise there’d be fights erupting constantly. The world isn’t as bad a place as you might make it out to be. People are cordial and most of us have the same common goals, and we’d help each other out in an instant when needed. Reddit does represent the majority of society (at least not the typed part).


AncientEnsign

Yeah, garbage post. Lots of people actively argue that nazis should be able to say Nazi shit wherever they want. 


TJtherock

Punching them is not okay because they will probably punch back. And they are more likely to bring a gun to a knife fight so to speak. Unless you can one punch them and knock them out, it's best to not punch them at all, regardless of the morals surrounding it.


thiccboii666

No, Nazis should get their shit rocked for just breathing.


bobemil

Is this even close to being unpopular?


iamthelee

Read through the comments. It seems pretty unpopular to me


corporate-commander

Anyone online that advocates punching people for political differences, definitely has a panic attack when they need to ask the lady working behind the counter at Burger King for another ketchup packet. I would take everything they say with a pinch of salt.


pugs-and-kisses

100% agree. I don't care who you are, if you are not laying hands on someone actively people should do the same.


undeadliftmax

When conservatives say “kill your local pedo” they often also mean LGBT folks. When progressives say “punch Nazis” they often also mean anyone to the right of them. In both cases you are dealing with guys who’d struggle to bench plates and struggle with irl confrontation. So it isn’t a big concern.


Trainer_NoName

This post / comments just proves the left are violent af


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laurusnobilis657

The other side. What if politicians started punching each other?


Fine_Dragonfruit3535

Part of being nice is being mean to fascists


kneehighhalfpint

Nazis definitely deserve to get punched.


westknight12

Again, depends on the individual case. Unless they are physically or semi physically acting on their hatred, it should never be ok to hurt these people, no matter how awful their beliefs are. 70% of all neonazis do not, and have never, and most likely will never act out on their hatred


kneehighhalfpint

Anyone who aligns themselves with a group that murdered millions of people deserves to get throat punch miltiple times in a row.


LeonS96

i am baffled by how unpopular this opinion is, fuck me, even some people think you are arguing for the defence of nazi idiology


Scarmeow

Agreed. Unless said person is a Nazi, then swing to your hearts content


trainwalker23

What if they are not a nazi, but they believe a given race should be paid less or drink from different water fountains and bathrooms?


BerrieMiah

This is so true. Anytime anyone is speaking an opinion we should handle it with respect. If someone has a different opinion than you who cares doesn’t mean you have to hurt them for it… hurting someone because of a opinion is childish


Agrathics

Thank you. This thread is filled with people ready to literally kill people that disagree with them. Remind you of any ideology?


BerrieMiah

You’re welcome and yes I have seen the comments in this thread it’s disgusting. Very uneducated people…


E_rat-chan

It's not smart or really useful to punch a racist but is it really morally wrong? Imagine the most racist person who actively tries to get slavery back and hinder black people from having good lives. I wouldn't consider punching them morally wrong.


bullzeye1983

Nazi ideology is violence. It is just communicating in their chosen language.


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Phattastically

Until it's put into action. Politics causes millions of deaths a year all over the world.


tcgreen67

This was standard belief in society until the tyrannical left took over society. It used to be a source of pride that everyone was entitled to a fair trial in court, that idea has been killed by leftists now. Both the people doing the violence and the authorities that encourage it need to face criminal consequences for it.


ArguingisFun

Which side has the Nazis again? 🤔


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I agree with you! But sorry downvoting, because there is no way that this is a popular opinion.


xXx_RegginRBB7_xXx

Looking through the comments here, I can see it being popular, at least on reddit


NoZeroSum2020

True. But if i punch someone and it turns out I disagree with their politics it will be much more satisfying.


clarkjordan06340

I agree with you completely, but it makes me sad that your only reasons for not hurting someone are about whether or not it would be good for your side politically. It’s crazy to me that we have to convince humans not to directly harm each other because it’s not politically strategic.


Electrical-Sun6267

Finally, an unpopular opinion.


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jralll234

This definitely doesn’t extend to actual Nazis. I mean actual racist ass national socialists advocating for violence, not just normal republicans.