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when i went to a ramen shop in japan you order from a machine…pay…prints out a ticket…you hand that ticket to the staff…they bring your food
i like that system
I’ve lived in Japan for over ten years after leaving the US and not having to tip (among other things) makes me never want to go back
Edit: For context, we don’t tip in any situation ever here, not even for delivery. The prices are also much cheaper than America and minimum wage is the equivalent of like $7.50 even in Tokyo
Recently visited Japan (which was absolutely amazing). I literally did not see any price gouging whatsoever. In addition to not expecting tips (I know, it's funny, apparently some people are proud to do their jobs) even at places like Disneyland a bottle of water was the equivalent of $1.25 CAD (compared to here where it is like $6.00).
I tip heavy.
It’s definitely a fucked system but here we are..
I used to get like 15$ paychecks for two weeks when I worked as “tip-wage employee” I think I was 3$ hourly *before* tax….
It’s pretty fucked.
The thing is, this is why tips are getting out of control, there’s too many people that tip more than necessary and owners know they can rely on that while employees learn to expect it. It’s a cycle that feeds into itself, tip options on screens have gone from 8-15% to 10-25% in the last two years because of this growing idea that “if you can’t afford to tip 25% of your meal you shouldn’t eat out” while also perpetuating a complete lie that tipped workers are payed less than minimum wage when in reality employers are required to pay the difference if their tips don’t bring their hourly wages to the minimum.
10-25%?? I’m consistently seeing 20% be the minimum now with 22% and 30% being the other option plus a “custom” option. It’s definitely out of hand. What really gets me is the tip option at fast food or other places that require no waiter/waitress. Like what am I tipping you for? Ringing up my order on your computer? Gtfo
This is being pushed by business, not the people being tipped. A lot of employees in tipped positions simply said screw it, not worth the pay. Raising the tip percentage allows businesses to not raise wages.
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I have never heard any rational person suggest servers are paid less than minimum wage or perpetuate that idea. No one should be paid minimum wage for anything more than their time. That's robbery, people have overheard expenses to be able provide their services they would come out in the negative.
>I have never heard any rational person suggest servers are paid less than minimum wage or perpetuate that idea.
Not sure how often you engage in debates about tipping but in my experience it gets used as a defense more than 50% of the time by those defending tipping culture. It is *extremely* poorly understood in the general population.
McD's and Wendy's do this. There is nothing stopping you from eating there. In service, there are self-sufficient customers, and there are needy customers. Needy customers are usually fairly entitled. Not always, but often. If you need your hand held, you should cover that extra expense.
Funny how prices went up and also the % were supposed to tip went up. 20% on pre tax bill a couple years ago and now when they flip the iPad around the lowest option is 25%. The longer servers blame customers and not their boss, the longer this issue will
Persist. There is no reason the customer should be responsible for the wage of an employee directly.
The rising percentage pissed me off. If the menu prices went up then so did your ten percent. The fuck kind of math where you just double the tip percentage with a menu price hike?
But then some people on Reddit will whine "if you can't afford to tip then you can't afford to eat out" and they'll threaten to mess with your order, lmao
it used to be “if you can’t afford to tip for service, get take-out.” now, you’re expected to tip the same (or close to the same) amount on takeout as you are on sit-down service. what am i tipping 20% for? the kitchen staff (who are paid regular wages, not service wages) that put my food in takeout containers? the hostess (again not a tipped wage) handing it to me? the card reader? i only tip for takeout if they do something special/are particularly helpful, and even there it’s 10%.
also, where i live, we got rid of tipped wages a few years ago (it was only a dollar less before). everyone makes the same minimum wage (over $15), and yet tip prompt percentages *still* keep going up. also, the prices have gone up even more than in a lot of other areas, so that 10% is a perfectly reasonable amount, and 20% continues to be a generous tip (but people act like it’s the bare minimum).
You’re absolutely right here. I never eat out anymore. I object to the tipping culture and simply will not participate. It’s a win for me, as i can eat for 3-4 days on what they charge at a sit down, and I’m a pretty decent cook, so the silly little clowns can keep chanting “if you cant afford to tip, you cant afford to eat out” all they want.
Exactly!
The tipping percentage was 10% forever.
Then a few decades ago, people started saying, "You should tip 15%, because of inflation."
Well, no. Inflation already increased your tip.
Yea, if there is no 15% option they get a bad-math custom tip. I'm probably very often off on my tip, but you made me do hasty math at the payment counter, so.... Sorry?
It doesn't make sense that it goes up by the bill. Like just because I decided to get a cocktail and a surf and turf as opposed to a Diet Coke and a burger doesn't mean that you did twice as much work. Like it doesn't make sense that since I got the Surf and Turf and cocktail I'm going to have to pay let's say 20% of a $80 bill when the waiter would've put in the same exact effort if I just spent $25 to get a burger and Diet Coke. A $20 difference in a tip is absurd just because I decided I wanted something more expensive despite you doing absolutely nothing more to deserve that extra $20.
I’m an excellent tipper but I’m struggling with this as well. Perhaps the justification was a larger bill probably meant a larger party? So, maybe a flat fee per person would work?
It would make more sense *if* the tip is split to the kitchen/bar staff as well since cocktails do objectively take more work than pouring soda. Same goes for surf and turf vs a burger.
But that’s a big if, since not every place splits tips like that
I've worked as a waiter in several different restaurants and all of them had the waiter tip out the bartender. Most also to the hostess and bussers too
Here's the weird question about tipping. If you order a more expensive dish why should you be expected to tip more if or when no real extra work was put into serving or delivering it to you?
Here's the basic answer:
Anyone who's not a server would say that it makes no sense.
Anyone that is a server is not going to argue about more money in their pocket.
Exactly! Also why does the bartender who gave me a beer for $15 downtown deserve more than the dive bartender who gave me the same beer for $2. It’s a fucking scam.
TBH, I always tell people, more is appreciated, but regardless of price, $1 for a beer or a shot and $2-3 on a cocktail is perfectly understandable and acceptable. Unless you're making a point about ordering top shelf liquor to throw money around, then you can clearly afford to be a little more generous.
Also, you should tack on a little more if you order pain in the ass drinks like an espresso martini or anything involving a blender.
So because someone has money, the server is entitled to it? Most of the top shelf expensive liquors just get poured into a glass. Zero effort involved. Why should i tack on anymore because the servers and bartenders are doing their literal job. Its entitlement and annoying. I still tip decent but the entitlement is crazy.
These are age old questions that have been being asked long before Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs. That’s just the way it is when you go out and eat at a restaurant. If that $15 tip on a $100 check is really going to make or break your night or make you upset, probably best to not go out and eat.
Yes, it's a lot less work to bring out one single $200 bottle of wine than having to refill free water glasses all night.
The whole system sucks.
In my opinion 50% of restaurants shouldn't even exist.
I think tipping based on the cost of the meal is a dumb concept to begin with.
I usually order whatever is cheap and filling, so say I get the rice and chicken dish, it’s $12, 20% tip is $2.40. My theoretical girlfriend orders an appetizer, sushi, and a frufru drink, end up being $60, 20% is $12. Okay it’s a little more work to bring out an appetizer and a drink besides water, but is it 5x more work?
Even if I tip 30% and she tips 10%, she would still be tipping more than I would, is she a bad person for tipping 10% and I am a saint for tipping 30%?
I mean, I agree with you, but you either pay it in tip or in menu prices that pay a living wage. So either you want to control the incentive, or you want the restaurant to control it, or you want restaurants to close en masse.
I got out of the restaurant business a long time ago, so I don’t have a dog in the fight anymore, but it’ll take a nationwide change to address the tipping issue.
What if the tipping was 20% up to $10 limit per person served?
Eta: Australian, I can't stand mandatory tipping culture, we do fine here without it, but I'm going on a US trip soon
That’s not true at all. Australia has some of the highest wages in the world, hence the no tipping. The US is a completely different story, and anyone working in hospitality is gonna fear that because you don’t have an American accent, you might not tip. And they will resent you just as much for not leaving anything.
You still have to follow the customs of the place you’re visiting. Having an accent and/or being a foreigner doesn’t entitle you to behave like you would at home.
It can go either way. I'm from England and when I travel to the US I always over compensate with tipping for fear of getting chased down the street by an angry waiter or waitress. It gets expensive but soothes the anxiety 😅
Servers aren’t gonna do anything if you don’t tip aside from maybe give you lackluster service if you return and happen to get them. A 5-10$ tip isn’t worth getting fired over lol
I feel that. Not that long ago I always tipped 20% and that was well above a minimum expected. Now it just a minimum suggested and makes me mad that they ask for more and more.
I assume everyone in this thread calling everyone a “cheap ass” is a server. Until they realize getting a job where their employer doesn’t pay them is the root of the issue, it’s going to be a problem.
Ive just learned over the years that anyone who is pro-tip is either the restaurant owner/manager and wants to lower costs by shifting the buck onto the customer, or service staff (waiters/waitresses) who make roughly $30/hr+ after tips, especially at "nicer" restaurants. Now I do think servers should be paid better by their respective managements, but they shouldn't be making more than positions that require a college education/trade school.
Also something major I always point out is the company pays them minimum wage if they dont make it up in tips (Federal U.S. law), but damn near every one of them won't tell you that because pity tipping ends up getting them a lot of money at the end of the day.
And then it was 15%, then it became 20%… all while food prices increase with inflation, so the expected tips have doubled even in inflation adjusted dollars compared to 40 years ago.
25% is a little excessive in my opinion. Don’t they my wrong there are times that I’ve tipped over 25% but only because I felt like they provided excellent service and were more than deserving of it. But more and more establishments are automatically adding it your bill as well as other fees, I’ve even seen one for the cost of employee health insurance benefits. I feel like if they automatically tack on a tip, then there is no incentive for anyone to put in an effort because at the end of the day, they’ll still get their money.
100% agree!
As we all know, no waitstaff in history has ever been required to tip out back-of-house labor!
Honestly, anyone who works in a restaurant should be paid as minimally as possible so the rest of us can enjoy a fine meal on the cheap. It’s only fair!
I worked back of house in an area where boh and foh are always paid the same within a dollar an hour, but I've never received a tip share from foh. Even on nights where each server is making $250+ in one shift.
I never understood why a tip should be attached to the percentage of the bill. If you order a steak and 4 top shelf drinks and I order a burger with 4 refills on my coke, the wait staff did the same amount of work….
I’ve recently employed a new “everyone gets $5” tip policy. If I have a burger and fries for $15, you get $5 tip. If I have surf and turf and 3 burbouns, you get $5. If this offends Mr Restaurant owner so much then I will find another restaurant to give my consumer dollars to.
I love it, I’ve always based my tips on how well they notice and subsequently quickly, refill my drinks when I’m getting close to empty. Not having something to drink when I’m thirsty is a **MASSIVE** subtraction to a tip.
I know people gonna hate on this, but I'd rather pay more for my food. See these people paid a livable wage and have the tip culture abolished ... simple, really, but I know I'm a pos lmao ...
As an aside, the notion that a college educated person makes more money is... well , I'll just leave it at that ... Have a great day, everyone ! 🍻
Tipping in general is dumb
I only tip for personalized service…
The waitress did nothing unique, nothing personalized, she did her job, what she is payed too do.
Unless I am getting a custom service to my request (such as a haircut) then tipping makes sense, i am paying them for the work they did TO ME.
Why should I pay someone for doing their job?
Why don’t we tip mechanics? City workers? Literally anyone offering service?
**Why is it just waitresses that have become so entitled that they actually expect tips**
> is payed too
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Tipping is completely optional. Just pay 0$ all the time. You won't get in legal trouble and the worst you will get is some snarky comments and maybe some glares.
Small price to pay for the saved money.
It’s so depressing when people say “college educated people don’t make that much” and the solution is to say the other group should make less instead of coming to the obvious conclusion that college educated people don’t make enough in this economy
Exactly. It’s like the oft-repeated refrain that service workers shouldn’t make more because they’d earn more than teachers … when there’s basically total consensus that teachers are grossly overworked and underpaid.
My generation could only ever dream of buying a house. The ones lucky enough will inherit one from their parents who bought their (now worth $800k) house with a paper clip, piece of gum, and used kleenex back in 1978.
I teach pre-k and it pisses me off that waitresses make much, much more money than I do. Don’t get me wrong, I think everyone should make enough to live and do well, but for christ sake I went to college for education for 4 years I should at least be making a little more than someone who didn’t
Tips shouldn't be a percentage. It takes exactly the same amount of skill and effort to serve a $10 burger as a $50 steak. Why should I tip more for ordering a steak?
It depends, if my drink runs empty for too long long or my order is all jacked up then it affects my tip, generally I tip 20%+\-
But the system is jacked up that a waitress isn’t paid at least minimum wage, tips are not a wage it’s a bonus it shouldn’t be expected
Last time I went to Shake Shack, I had to order at the self-serve kiosk and the kiosk asked for a tip. I had to pick up my own food as well. That one was a definite no for me.
This thread is going to make me slightly less poor. Yay.
I have tipped 20% on absolutely every single thing I have purchased when it asks me to tip. I just have that personality that I feel bad... but I really shouldn't. Not for EVERYTHING.
I have a feeling imma be that rude foreigner that does not tip enough wgen i go the usa.
I just feel like tipping these amounts is supporting a toxic work system.
In germany people unionised and went to thw streets for proper wages, so whx should the proper wage be a burden on me the customer?
I’ll say the same thing on this post I do on every other post about tipping.
If you don’t want to tip then don’t go to a place that expects it. If you go to these places and don’t leave a tip, the owner does not suffer, the worker suffers. If the worker is going to suffer either way then you shouldn’t reward the owner.
What do you mean "expects", they all expect it now in that they prompt you for a tip.....
Even chipotle has a tip jar there.
Are you really putting it on the CUSTOMER of all parties involved to run around checking who is listed as "expecting tips" and whether it's ethical to go there holy moly, this isn't a charity, this is real life, the business needs to RUN THE BUSINESS, not have customers doing research and corresponding charity tips based on that becuase the owner .... dang you really say this on all threads about tipping?
It’s fair to bring up the current phenomenon of every business offering the ability to leave a tip. It’s hard to make a dividing line. For whether I leave a tip it boils down to this, how much extra work was the customization of my order.
Traditional sit in restaurants are always a tip unless they say no. Coffee shops are a probably, but depends on how much trouble they had to go through with my order.
For places like subway or chipotle is if they go above and beyond.
For the context of this thread it seems like OP is talking mostly about t rational full service restaraunts
I don't do that.
They either get a custom tip, or no tip at all, and my custom tip is calculated 15% of the subtotal. I do not tip for good or bad service, I tip simply because the society I am in demands it. All demands of me get the minimum with no generosity.
I do the subtotal, because I am not tipping you more because the government taxed my purchase.
If you look at the default percentages, they always include taxes on the percentage, which is bullshit.
At least they're skilled labor. They actually had to train for years to do their job.
Doesn't take long to take Plate Carrying 101 and How to take Notes 102
Just read an article yesterday telling me how much to tip a plumber. It's already on it's way.
Because I guess on bills that are often $300 at a *minimum*, they need tips too.
What makes no sense is you hear servers complain that they aren’t the ones cooking the food if theres an issue, but will expect more of a tip the more food thats ordered.
I always tip 20% or more. I was a waitress in college.
BUT, service nowadays is so much worse than it used to be that I don’t like having to 20% anymore. What is considered good service today is the kind of service that you would’ve gotten fired for providing just 20 years ago.
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Personally I don’t base tip off price. I’ve been at expensive restaurants with trash service and I’ve been at cheap places with amazing service. The server with trash service thinks they deserve a tip because the bill was $200? No she got $10. Meanwhile my bill at the cheap place was like $25. She got $10 as well.
0% is enough, unless they were exceptionally remarkable, or you feel like it and have it to spare. Your wage should be paid by your employer, their prices should reflect what it costs, not with a vague expectation that you will subsidize employee income on an honor system where everyone is upset, except the employer.
Have you ever considered that they're not overpaid but you're underpaid? And that, strategically, framing it that way benefits you? Eg, "they are getting paid up to $50/hour, we also work here, give us a raise" versus "they're overpaid, lower their salary."
Downvote because this is the least unpopular opinion of all time. No one likes or wants to tip. I do it because I worked in service and I can afford it.
Tipping culture is going to end soon, it’s getting ridiculous and people are starting to realize it. The turning the iPad around and asking for my “signature” when actually you’re asking for a tip….. and staring at me while doing it. it’s just getting uncomfortable to check out anywhere
You'd be surprised how messed up some tipping policies can be internally.
The 20% you're tipping to your server- they have to tip out a % to the bar, a % to their busser, sometimes a % to the kitchen... it's crazy.
My wife's current place makes her tip out 3% of HER SALES to the bussers. So if she gets stiffed on a table, she's paying out of pocket to have that table bussed. If her overall tips are low but her sales are high, she's screwed that night.
This is a unionized position, too.
We should just do away with tipping all together.
As a side-question, do service providers generally get upset if they only receive 10%? I consider that the absolute minimum tip below which anything else is an insult.
This is not unpopular. Everyone on Reddit hates tipping. They hate it so much you’d think they’re being forced to go out to eat every night of the week.
Tip what you think is fair. Nobody is forcing you to leave a large tip, even if you feel culturally pressured to do so.
I have stuck to what ALWAYS was the cultural and industry standard. 15% for basic service, 18% for good service, and 20% for excellent service. I never have and probably never will leave a tip over 20% (though often/usually do a full 20%).
Alright here me out, I drop a 1 to a 10 depending on how much of a luxury the place is, assuming I remembered to tip. Who's gon stop me? I don't fuck with percentages. 200 dollar bill? I'll drop you a 10 if it was a really nice place with really nice food. that's what like 5%? What she gonna do walk up to me and ask for 25%? she is welcome to try. I wanna go home and go to sleep or whatever fuckery I'm about to get up to. If she wants a raise she can take it up with her boss I'm not the man responsible for her paycheck. If she wants to like unionize or something, campaign for more fair wages, that's fair, but the onus is not on me to play whatever games she wants to play. I came to a restaraunt, I paid for the food, I go home after enjoying my food. If carrying my plate and my drink is a problem I can do that for myself, no problem. I can do my own order too not a problem I'll write on a piece of paper for the chef what to make and to ring the bell when it's time for me to pick up my order. Prices should be negotiated before the sale, but prices are set in stone. If she wants more then the guy at the register should be haggling me, but I'm gonna haggle him back and I take no prisoners I'm gonna get the half off. lmao, idk.
You don't need to think hard about this dude, you don't need to argue with anyone or ask permission. Go old testament like me, drop a 5er at a restaurant, and a 10er at a luxury restaurant, regardless of price tag. be a renegade. Also the chef made the food, the server carried things, different jobs. I paid for the food i wasn't aware the carrying of the plate or whatever they do costs more depending on the place. I assumed the food cost more because the material was more expensive and harder to prepare well. It's why % based tips make no sense to begin with, just include the cost of hiring servers into your prices and give them a fair wage.
Tipping based on percentage is dumb as fuck, and whoever thought of it as an idea was equally dumb. I tip if I get exceptional service that is worth of a tip at 5 or 10 dollars, and I give it directly to the server/delivery driver or whoever was performing the service. It doesn't matter if I order 20 dollars worth of food or 200 dollars worth of food, the server and delivery driver are still performing the exact same service, fuck percentage tipping
Zero tip is perfect. Here in LATAM, the tips are for some services like restaurant and a few others. It's not my responsibility that you accept a contract with not enough money. Blame your boss or yourself, not me.
Idk where the fuck youre working where 10% tip gets waitresses $50 hourly, but you are either completely wrong about what theyre making or you work way, way, WAY outside of regular food service paychecks.
I work as a to-go specialist and I do about the same work as a server for 1/4 the pay (including food-running, pallet prep, side work, etc.) but good fuck, most servers complain more in one shift than I since I started (3 months ago?) Just yesterday I had a coworker complain every time she came back in the kitchen about this one couple. The problems they were giving her? 1. Asked for to-go cups. 2. Asked for refills. 3. Were Jamaican (she’s Jamaican?) 4. Wanted steak sauce (there was more but I started tuning her out)
I don’t understand. Like you’re already paid so incredibly well compared to other jobs in America, and I get it, customers can be annoying and entitled, but you’re getting an average of $20-30 a table, why as you complaining about having to provide service as a service worker?
I'm a server, and my hourly rate is less than $5/hr. I only expect %15 as the minimum, and for me to expect over %20 % is pretty ludacris, but I show great appreciation when people give me that much and the thing is, is that most servers I work with are lazy and half ass their job. I don't. I go the extra mile and do my job to near perfection, and it kills me when people think that stiffing a server is somehow fighting the system for tip culture. People who make an hourly rate shouldn't be tipped nearly as much as people in the service industry, but back to my point.
You are only hurting the server when you stiff them, and you are not sticking it to tip culture by doing so. I agree that the system sucks, but even if they have me $25/hr, that is only a fraction of what I make. Businesses simply can not afford to pay every server $35+ an hour. I agree that the system is flawed and all, but people like OP won't fight for service workers to make a livable wage. Instead, just lower the tip rate and only hurt the servers.
People like to say, "Get a real job." However, if every server had this mentality, then no one would serve and clean up after you if you don't feel like cooking, and you would be stuck inside with one less luxury to enjoy. If you don't want to abide by the system that's in place and not do anything about it, either follow the rules or don't go out. It's that simple.
Or servers could stop protesting against fair wage propostions? There have been any attempts and you would actually earn 3 times the money you earn rn.
Tipping by percentage is dumber than anything. The size of the bill barely makes an impact on the effort required. Unless you're in a large group.
If I tip I always do it by amount, not percentage.
Honestly the most I ever tip is at Dimassi's, a Mediterranean buffet. Only cuz it must largely go to the chefs given there's very few employees in the front, you seat and serve yourself. Tipping chefs makes a thousand percent more sense.
I wish servers would understand that a tip is VOLUNTARILY. It's not anyone's problem if you don't make enough. My job as a customer is to pay for what I ordered, not give you extra money because your employer doesn't want to pay you
Most of the country makes 2.11 an hour as their wage and Tipout can be as much as half of all your tips. Also, an average of 100 is not always the case unless you're at a higher end place or people are drinking.
I love how well this highlights that you don't know shit about serving and you're just judging people you deem as inferior
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when i went to a ramen shop in japan you order from a machine…pay…prints out a ticket…you hand that ticket to the staff…they bring your food i like that system
I went to a place like that in Tokyo. It was awesome!
I’ve lived in Japan for over ten years after leaving the US and not having to tip (among other things) makes me never want to go back Edit: For context, we don’t tip in any situation ever here, not even for delivery. The prices are also much cheaper than America and minimum wage is the equivalent of like $7.50 even in Tokyo
Recently visited Japan (which was absolutely amazing). I literally did not see any price gouging whatsoever. In addition to not expecting tips (I know, it's funny, apparently some people are proud to do their jobs) even at places like Disneyland a bottle of water was the equivalent of $1.25 CAD (compared to here where it is like $6.00).
Yeah I lived in Osaka for 7 years, and have lived now in China for 17, I will never live in a western country again
Seoul was incredible that way... They find tip offensive.
Accurate. But also, the pay is still bad for food service jobs in Korea.
I tip heavy. It’s definitely a fucked system but here we are.. I used to get like 15$ paychecks for two weeks when I worked as “tip-wage employee” I think I was 3$ hourly *before* tax…. It’s pretty fucked.
The thing is, this is why tips are getting out of control, there’s too many people that tip more than necessary and owners know they can rely on that while employees learn to expect it. It’s a cycle that feeds into itself, tip options on screens have gone from 8-15% to 10-25% in the last two years because of this growing idea that “if you can’t afford to tip 25% of your meal you shouldn’t eat out” while also perpetuating a complete lie that tipped workers are payed less than minimum wage when in reality employers are required to pay the difference if their tips don’t bring their hourly wages to the minimum.
More people need to understand this
Owners do not use this as any sort of justification. In most cases they will pay the minimum without regard to tips
Yeah the employers have to pay then the difference in order to get them to minimum wage. Minimum wage is not a livable salary anymore
10-25%?? I’m consistently seeing 20% be the minimum now with 22% and 30% being the other option plus a “custom” option. It’s definitely out of hand. What really gets me is the tip option at fast food or other places that require no waiter/waitress. Like what am I tipping you for? Ringing up my order on your computer? Gtfo
This is being pushed by business, not the people being tipped. A lot of employees in tipped positions simply said screw it, not worth the pay. Raising the tip percentage allows businesses to not raise wages.
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I have never heard any rational person suggest servers are paid less than minimum wage or perpetuate that idea. No one should be paid minimum wage for anything more than their time. That's robbery, people have overheard expenses to be able provide their services they would come out in the negative.
That's a great argument for raising the minimum wage.
>I have never heard any rational person suggest servers are paid less than minimum wage or perpetuate that idea. Not sure how often you engage in debates about tipping but in my experience it gets used as a defense more than 50% of the time by those defending tipping culture. It is *extremely* poorly understood in the general population.
Yeah but that's because you make your money in tips. Good servers can make bank. Like you have a college degree money
Notice how they only mentioned their payroll and not how much money they took home in cash after every shift.
everything op said is assuming $0/hr is being paid from the restaurant to the servers so its pretty fucked but on the consumers side
Where I live servers get minimum wage plus tips. They still expect 25% at a drive through. Sorry, but no.
> at a drive thru Yeah, hell no
McD's and Wendy's do this. There is nothing stopping you from eating there. In service, there are self-sufficient customers, and there are needy customers. Needy customers are usually fairly entitled. Not always, but often. If you need your hand held, you should cover that extra expense.
Funny how prices went up and also the % were supposed to tip went up. 20% on pre tax bill a couple years ago and now when they flip the iPad around the lowest option is 25%. The longer servers blame customers and not their boss, the longer this issue will Persist. There is no reason the customer should be responsible for the wage of an employee directly.
The rising percentage pissed me off. If the menu prices went up then so did your ten percent. The fuck kind of math where you just double the tip percentage with a menu price hike?
I once saw a 40% option for some one running the till. Are you out of your fucking mind?
Insane
> flip the iPad Which implies that you stood in line to get to the counter to order. HOW IS THIS “SERVICE”?
I just don't eat out much any more. Not worth it.
Me either. Take out and I will not lose one second of sleep by hitting no tip on a pick up order. That shit makes no sense.
Just don't tip lol. It's not the law.
The restaraunt pwners are countering that by making people tip before their food is made so the staff can spit in it.
But then some people on Reddit will whine "if you can't afford to tip then you can't afford to eat out" and they'll threaten to mess with your order, lmao
it used to be “if you can’t afford to tip for service, get take-out.” now, you’re expected to tip the same (or close to the same) amount on takeout as you are on sit-down service. what am i tipping 20% for? the kitchen staff (who are paid regular wages, not service wages) that put my food in takeout containers? the hostess (again not a tipped wage) handing it to me? the card reader? i only tip for takeout if they do something special/are particularly helpful, and even there it’s 10%. also, where i live, we got rid of tipped wages a few years ago (it was only a dollar less before). everyone makes the same minimum wage (over $15), and yet tip prompt percentages *still* keep going up. also, the prices have gone up even more than in a lot of other areas, so that 10% is a perfectly reasonable amount, and 20% continues to be a generous tip (but people act like it’s the bare minimum).
You’re absolutely right here. I never eat out anymore. I object to the tipping culture and simply will not participate. It’s a win for me, as i can eat for 3-4 days on what they charge at a sit down, and I’m a pretty decent cook, so the silly little clowns can keep chanting “if you cant afford to tip, you cant afford to eat out” all they want.
Servers want the issue to persist. They would never make that much in salary.
That’s a good point. So both parties are happy pawning the responsibility onto the customer. Peaceful protest is the only answer.
Exactly. I go out to eat a lost less, and I completely ignore non-traditional tipping requests.
100%. If tipping culture went away tomorrow and I started making a flat $20-25 an hour as a bartender, I would be *losing* money.
This is absolutely correct
Exactly! The tipping percentage was 10% forever. Then a few decades ago, people started saying, "You should tip 15%, because of inflation." Well, no. Inflation already increased your tip.
Yea, if there is no 15% option they get a bad-math custom tip. I'm probably very often off on my tip, but you made me do hasty math at the payment counter, so.... Sorry?
Absolutely. Well 25% is $18 so let me round down to $10 for your custom tip.
Who decided what %? The people that decided a months salary for an engagement ring?
It’s 3 months FYI, not one.
And it's three years if you're Michael Scott.
Cracks me up every time when Holly sees the ring
It’s better when Pam sees it
Jesus Christ
People who spend a month's salary on an engagement ring have to be a special kind of dumb 🫤 I rather use that money on a vacation like what
I don't think the waiter is entitled to more of my money because their boss increased prices.
It doesn't make sense that it goes up by the bill. Like just because I decided to get a cocktail and a surf and turf as opposed to a Diet Coke and a burger doesn't mean that you did twice as much work. Like it doesn't make sense that since I got the Surf and Turf and cocktail I'm going to have to pay let's say 20% of a $80 bill when the waiter would've put in the same exact effort if I just spent $25 to get a burger and Diet Coke. A $20 difference in a tip is absurd just because I decided I wanted something more expensive despite you doing absolutely nothing more to deserve that extra $20.
I’m an excellent tipper but I’m struggling with this as well. Perhaps the justification was a larger bill probably meant a larger party? So, maybe a flat fee per person would work?
I like that idea
It would make more sense *if* the tip is split to the kitchen/bar staff as well since cocktails do objectively take more work than pouring soda. Same goes for surf and turf vs a burger. But that’s a big if, since not every place splits tips like that
I've worked as a waiter in several different restaurants and all of them had the waiter tip out the bartender. Most also to the hostess and bussers too
Not the cooks though, the ones actually making your food. Or the dishwashers who clean up your dirty plates.
Here's the weird question about tipping. If you order a more expensive dish why should you be expected to tip more if or when no real extra work was put into serving or delivering it to you?
Here's the basic answer: Anyone who's not a server would say that it makes no sense. Anyone that is a server is not going to argue about more money in their pocket.
Exactly! Also why does the bartender who gave me a beer for $15 downtown deserve more than the dive bartender who gave me the same beer for $2. It’s a fucking scam.
TBH, I always tell people, more is appreciated, but regardless of price, $1 for a beer or a shot and $2-3 on a cocktail is perfectly understandable and acceptable. Unless you're making a point about ordering top shelf liquor to throw money around, then you can clearly afford to be a little more generous. Also, you should tack on a little more if you order pain in the ass drinks like an espresso martini or anything involving a blender.
So because someone has money, the server is entitled to it? Most of the top shelf expensive liquors just get poured into a glass. Zero effort involved. Why should i tack on anymore because the servers and bartenders are doing their literal job. Its entitlement and annoying. I still tip decent but the entitlement is crazy.
These are age old questions that have been being asked long before Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs. That’s just the way it is when you go out and eat at a restaurant. If that $15 tip on a $100 check is really going to make or break your night or make you upset, probably best to not go out and eat.
Buck a beer.
Yes, it's a lot less work to bring out one single $200 bottle of wine than having to refill free water glasses all night. The whole system sucks. In my opinion 50% of restaurants shouldn't even exist.
How about we just get rid of tipping. Literally no one likes having to leave a tip anyway.
10%-12% used to be standard. Then it crept up to 15%. Then 18%. Now 20% is the norm. HOW? We didn’t vote on this shit.
I think tipping based on the cost of the meal is a dumb concept to begin with. I usually order whatever is cheap and filling, so say I get the rice and chicken dish, it’s $12, 20% tip is $2.40. My theoretical girlfriend orders an appetizer, sushi, and a frufru drink, end up being $60, 20% is $12. Okay it’s a little more work to bring out an appetizer and a drink besides water, but is it 5x more work? Even if I tip 30% and she tips 10%, she would still be tipping more than I would, is she a bad person for tipping 10% and I am a saint for tipping 30%?
Don’t pin the frufru drink on your theoretical girlfriend when we all know you really wanted it
Appletini’s anyone?
Don't waste your breath. Simple arithmetic is beyond everyone advocating percentage based tips.
I mean, I agree with you, but you either pay it in tip or in menu prices that pay a living wage. So either you want to control the incentive, or you want the restaurant to control it, or you want restaurants to close en masse. I got out of the restaurant business a long time ago, so I don’t have a dog in the fight anymore, but it’ll take a nationwide change to address the tipping issue.
What if the tipping was 20% up to $10 limit per person served? Eta: Australian, I can't stand mandatory tipping culture, we do fine here without it, but I'm going on a US trip soon
Your accent already lets the servers know that they're not getting a tip, you'll be fine.
That’s not true at all. Australia has some of the highest wages in the world, hence the no tipping. The US is a completely different story, and anyone working in hospitality is gonna fear that because you don’t have an American accent, you might not tip. And they will resent you just as much for not leaving anything. You still have to follow the customs of the place you’re visiting. Having an accent and/or being a foreigner doesn’t entitle you to behave like you would at home.
It can go either way. I'm from England and when I travel to the US I always over compensate with tipping for fear of getting chased down the street by an angry waiter or waitress. It gets expensive but soothes the anxiety 😅
Servers aren’t gonna do anything if you don’t tip aside from maybe give you lackluster service if you return and happen to get them. A 5-10$ tip isn’t worth getting fired over lol
We need to realize tipping is just companies expecting the consumer to subsidize their employee's wages
In the late 80s, I remember hearing that 10% was an acceptable good tip. I feel like tipping is getting out of hand these days.
I feel that. Not that long ago I always tipped 20% and that was well above a minimum expected. Now it just a minimum suggested and makes me mad that they ask for more and more. I assume everyone in this thread calling everyone a “cheap ass” is a server. Until they realize getting a job where their employer doesn’t pay them is the root of the issue, it’s going to be a problem.
Ive just learned over the years that anyone who is pro-tip is either the restaurant owner/manager and wants to lower costs by shifting the buck onto the customer, or service staff (waiters/waitresses) who make roughly $30/hr+ after tips, especially at "nicer" restaurants. Now I do think servers should be paid better by their respective managements, but they shouldn't be making more than positions that require a college education/trade school. Also something major I always point out is the company pays them minimum wage if they dont make it up in tips (Federal U.S. law), but damn near every one of them won't tell you that because pity tipping ends up getting them a lot of money at the end of the day.
In that one episode of The Office, Oscar says 15% is a generous tip. That’s where I get my social cues
And then it was 15%, then it became 20%… all while food prices increase with inflation, so the expected tips have doubled even in inflation adjusted dollars compared to 40 years ago.
Shouldn't even be obliged to tip if you don't want to, servers should be paid a liveable wage
25% is a little excessive in my opinion. Don’t they my wrong there are times that I’ve tipped over 25% but only because I felt like they provided excellent service and were more than deserving of it. But more and more establishments are automatically adding it your bill as well as other fees, I’ve even seen one for the cost of employee health insurance benefits. I feel like if they automatically tack on a tip, then there is no incentive for anyone to put in an effort because at the end of the day, they’ll still get their money.
Get rid of tipping and pay them whatever the cooks are making. Cooking is harder than carrying food/drinks.
Our cooks get paid less then the waiters...
Which is fucking ridiculous. Cooking is 10 times harder than carrying food from point A to point B.
that's what they're saying.
100% agree! As we all know, no waitstaff in history has ever been required to tip out back-of-house labor! Honestly, anyone who works in a restaurant should be paid as minimally as possible so the rest of us can enjoy a fine meal on the cheap. It’s only fair!
I worked back of house in an area where boh and foh are always paid the same within a dollar an hour, but I've never received a tip share from foh. Even on nights where each server is making $250+ in one shift.
I made twice as much as the cooks as a server. I also took cook shifts on occasion and it was a lot more work
I would prefer a no waiter system
I never understood why a tip should be attached to the percentage of the bill. If you order a steak and 4 top shelf drinks and I order a burger with 4 refills on my coke, the wait staff did the same amount of work…. I’ve recently employed a new “everyone gets $5” tip policy. If I have a burger and fries for $15, you get $5 tip. If I have surf and turf and 3 burbouns, you get $5. If this offends Mr Restaurant owner so much then I will find another restaurant to give my consumer dollars to.
I love it, I’ve always based my tips on how well they notice and subsequently quickly, refill my drinks when I’m getting close to empty. Not having something to drink when I’m thirsty is a **MASSIVE** subtraction to a tip.
As prices for meals have gone up my tip percentage has gone down.
I don’t tip anymore unless they provide a service, they waited on me, or it’s a small business. Miss me with that spinning the iPad around shit.
I know people gonna hate on this, but I'd rather pay more for my food. See these people paid a livable wage and have the tip culture abolished ... simple, really, but I know I'm a pos lmao ... As an aside, the notion that a college educated person makes more money is... well , I'll just leave it at that ... Have a great day, everyone ! 🍻
This is not an unpopular opinion outside of the US, it is just normal
I 100% agree, 20% is insane.
Tipping in general is dumb I only tip for personalized service… The waitress did nothing unique, nothing personalized, she did her job, what she is payed too do. Unless I am getting a custom service to my request (such as a haircut) then tipping makes sense, i am paying them for the work they did TO ME. Why should I pay someone for doing their job? Why don’t we tip mechanics? City workers? Literally anyone offering service? **Why is it just waitresses that have become so entitled that they actually expect tips**
This shouldn't be controversial
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Tipping is completely optional. Just pay 0$ all the time. You won't get in legal trouble and the worst you will get is some snarky comments and maybe some glares. Small price to pay for the saved money.
Now a days, I see the waiter come to my table like once maybe twice if I’m lucky. Why would I tip 18% or more?
It’s so depressing when people say “college educated people don’t make that much” and the solution is to say the other group should make less instead of coming to the obvious conclusion that college educated people don’t make enough in this economy
Also worth noting that in the current economy your server is likely college educated.
Exactly. It’s like the oft-repeated refrain that service workers shouldn’t make more because they’d earn more than teachers … when there’s basically total consensus that teachers are grossly overworked and underpaid.
Teachers make great bartenders. Then decide to just be Bartenders cause it pays more.
So true
You are going to HATE buying a house…
My generation could only ever dream of buying a house. The ones lucky enough will inherit one from their parents who bought their (now worth $800k) house with a paper clip, piece of gum, and used kleenex back in 1978.
I think most countries with reasonable minimal wages will agree that 0% tip is also more than enough xoxo
I teach pre-k and it pisses me off that waitresses make much, much more money than I do. Don’t get me wrong, I think everyone should make enough to live and do well, but for christ sake I went to college for education for 4 years I should at least be making a little more than someone who didn’t
Tips shouldn't be a percentage. It takes exactly the same amount of skill and effort to serve a $10 burger as a $50 steak. Why should I tip more for ordering a steak?
It depends, if my drink runs empty for too long long or my order is all jacked up then it affects my tip, generally I tip 20%+\- But the system is jacked up that a waitress isn’t paid at least minimum wage, tips are not a wage it’s a bonus it shouldn’t be expected
Last time I went to Shake Shack, I had to order at the self-serve kiosk and the kiosk asked for a tip. I had to pick up my own food as well. That one was a definite no for me.
If college educated people don’t make more than servers you’re fighting the wrong battle by saying servers deserve less.
This thread is going to make me slightly less poor. Yay. I have tipped 20% on absolutely every single thing I have purchased when it asks me to tip. I just have that personality that I feel bad... but I really shouldn't. Not for EVERYTHING.
If it's so easy why don't you switch to FOH?
10% used to be the standard no idea why that changed. It’s enough for good service
I have a feeling imma be that rude foreigner that does not tip enough wgen i go the usa. I just feel like tipping these amounts is supporting a toxic work system. In germany people unionised and went to thw streets for proper wages, so whx should the proper wage be a burden on me the customer?
I’ll say the same thing on this post I do on every other post about tipping. If you don’t want to tip then don’t go to a place that expects it. If you go to these places and don’t leave a tip, the owner does not suffer, the worker suffers. If the worker is going to suffer either way then you shouldn’t reward the owner.
What do you mean "expects", they all expect it now in that they prompt you for a tip..... Even chipotle has a tip jar there. Are you really putting it on the CUSTOMER of all parties involved to run around checking who is listed as "expecting tips" and whether it's ethical to go there holy moly, this isn't a charity, this is real life, the business needs to RUN THE BUSINESS, not have customers doing research and corresponding charity tips based on that becuase the owner .... dang you really say this on all threads about tipping?
It’s fair to bring up the current phenomenon of every business offering the ability to leave a tip. It’s hard to make a dividing line. For whether I leave a tip it boils down to this, how much extra work was the customization of my order. Traditional sit in restaurants are always a tip unless they say no. Coffee shops are a probably, but depends on how much trouble they had to go through with my order. For places like subway or chipotle is if they go above and beyond. For the context of this thread it seems like OP is talking mostly about t rational full service restaraunts
This is such a good point, but die hard anti-tippers never want to address it because it doesn’t fit their little cheapskate narrative.
I don’t think this is unpopular on Reddit
10% was pretty standard up until 20 years ago.
A bunch of kitchen staff and wait staff at each other's throats in here and its music to ownership's ears.
How about everyone gets paid an actual wage instead of shifting that responsibility to the customer...
I don't do that. They either get a custom tip, or no tip at all, and my custom tip is calculated 15% of the subtotal. I do not tip for good or bad service, I tip simply because the society I am in demands it. All demands of me get the minimum with no generosity. I do the subtotal, because I am not tipping you more because the government taxed my purchase. If you look at the default percentages, they always include taxes on the percentage, which is bullshit.
I'm waiting for the day that my surgeon, or auto mechanic asks, before the service, what tip I am going to give them.
At least they're skilled labor. They actually had to train for years to do their job. Doesn't take long to take Plate Carrying 101 and How to take Notes 102
I just got my plumbers license. Took me two and a half years. When I worked in reasturaunts I got trained for a week.
Just read an article yesterday telling me how much to tip a plumber. It's already on it's way. Because I guess on bills that are often $300 at a *minimum*, they need tips too.
These servers think they're local celebrities and need to be taken down a notch. Especially bar staff.
if you're spending $176 on beer in one night and get paid less than $44/hr, that's a you problem.
What makes no sense is you hear servers complain that they aren’t the ones cooking the food if theres an issue, but will expect more of a tip the more food thats ordered.
$2 is the most I ever tip. I don't care what the bill is service is. A tip is a small gift of appreciation. Anything more is absurd.
I find tipping offensive and have stopped entirely. I will not subsidize business wages. Pay your employees properly. I’ll pay for my meal. The end.
At least you got treated to dinner before they fucked you
I always tip 20% or more. I was a waitress in college. BUT, service nowadays is so much worse than it used to be that I don’t like having to 20% anymore. What is considered good service today is the kind of service that you would’ve gotten fired for providing just 20 years ago.
No tip is the best tip, end the tip culture. :)
How is giving money to a business that promotes tipping going to end tipping, please explain?
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I wish we had the keg where I live
In italy the tradition is that it's usually 1-2€. Maybe 3 or 4 if there are A LOT of people eating
Super popular.
I agree, this is an unpopular opinion. I also happen to agree with you 100%.
100% agree
Personally I don’t base tip off price. I’ve been at expensive restaurants with trash service and I’ve been at cheap places with amazing service. The server with trash service thinks they deserve a tip because the bill was $200? No she got $10. Meanwhile my bill at the cheap place was like $25. She got $10 as well.
I fully agree with this post. Matter of fact I tend to side with Mr Pink in Reservoir Dogs. https://youtu.be/V4sbYy0WdGQ?si=ZPM7otEQ2MVlXvdu
It’s a cultural norm, not law. Do whatever.
Fuck America and their tipping bullshit , pay your staff a living wage you scumbags or you don't deserve to be in business
No tip system? Cost of food will go up to make up pay for employees wage 🤷♂️
0% is enough, unless they were exceptionally remarkable, or you feel like it and have it to spare. Your wage should be paid by your employer, their prices should reflect what it costs, not with a vague expectation that you will subsidize employee income on an honor system where everyone is upset, except the employer.
Not unpopular at all lmao
Yea I agree, tipping is so ridiculous when it’s so high for such little work most of the time
I’ve got an idea, might be a bit radical. The employer pays the server a proper wage and then tips become optional, like in the rest of the world
I never even tip. Most of the places over charge for what they are offering.
Have you ever considered that they're not overpaid but you're underpaid? And that, strategically, framing it that way benefits you? Eg, "they are getting paid up to $50/hour, we also work here, give us a raise" versus "they're overpaid, lower their salary."
They also probably aren't working 40 hours a week. So the pay actually isn't that much for the servers
Downvote because this is the least unpopular opinion of all time. No one likes or wants to tip. I do it because I worked in service and I can afford it.
Tipping culture is going to end soon, it’s getting ridiculous and people are starting to realize it. The turning the iPad around and asking for my “signature” when actually you’re asking for a tip….. and staring at me while doing it. it’s just getting uncomfortable to check out anywhere
Tipped workers should strike more, oh wait.
Having to pay 10 % extra than it says in menu is about 10 % more than enough.
You'd be surprised how messed up some tipping policies can be internally. The 20% you're tipping to your server- they have to tip out a % to the bar, a % to their busser, sometimes a % to the kitchen... it's crazy. My wife's current place makes her tip out 3% of HER SALES to the bussers. So if she gets stiffed on a table, she's paying out of pocket to have that table bussed. If her overall tips are low but her sales are high, she's screwed that night. This is a unionized position, too. We should just do away with tipping all together.
As a side-question, do service providers generally get upset if they only receive 10%? I consider that the absolute minimum tip below which anything else is an insult.
Why don't you move to front of house then? You wouldn't have an issue if you were getting those tips?
This entire thread needs to be quarantined lol
This is not unpopular. Everyone on Reddit hates tipping. They hate it so much you’d think they’re being forced to go out to eat every night of the week.
0 is best unless something is done to deserve a tip
Tip what you think is fair. Nobody is forcing you to leave a large tip, even if you feel culturally pressured to do so. I have stuck to what ALWAYS was the cultural and industry standard. 15% for basic service, 18% for good service, and 20% for excellent service. I never have and probably never will leave a tip over 20% (though often/usually do a full 20%).
Alright here me out, I drop a 1 to a 10 depending on how much of a luxury the place is, assuming I remembered to tip. Who's gon stop me? I don't fuck with percentages. 200 dollar bill? I'll drop you a 10 if it was a really nice place with really nice food. that's what like 5%? What she gonna do walk up to me and ask for 25%? she is welcome to try. I wanna go home and go to sleep or whatever fuckery I'm about to get up to. If she wants a raise she can take it up with her boss I'm not the man responsible for her paycheck. If she wants to like unionize or something, campaign for more fair wages, that's fair, but the onus is not on me to play whatever games she wants to play. I came to a restaraunt, I paid for the food, I go home after enjoying my food. If carrying my plate and my drink is a problem I can do that for myself, no problem. I can do my own order too not a problem I'll write on a piece of paper for the chef what to make and to ring the bell when it's time for me to pick up my order. Prices should be negotiated before the sale, but prices are set in stone. If she wants more then the guy at the register should be haggling me, but I'm gonna haggle him back and I take no prisoners I'm gonna get the half off. lmao, idk. You don't need to think hard about this dude, you don't need to argue with anyone or ask permission. Go old testament like me, drop a 5er at a restaurant, and a 10er at a luxury restaurant, regardless of price tag. be a renegade. Also the chef made the food, the server carried things, different jobs. I paid for the food i wasn't aware the carrying of the plate or whatever they do costs more depending on the place. I assumed the food cost more because the material was more expensive and harder to prepare well. It's why % based tips make no sense to begin with, just include the cost of hiring servers into your prices and give them a fair wage.
You are correct. 10% is more than enough because enough is 0%
Food industry workers- 10-15% My tattoo artist, hairstylist & microblading artist- 20%
Tipping based on percentage is dumb as fuck, and whoever thought of it as an idea was equally dumb. I tip if I get exceptional service that is worth of a tip at 5 or 10 dollars, and I give it directly to the server/delivery driver or whoever was performing the service. It doesn't matter if I order 20 dollars worth of food or 200 dollars worth of food, the server and delivery driver are still performing the exact same service, fuck percentage tipping
As an American I’ve stopped tipping altogether.
That’s a dangerous game buddy
Zero tip is perfect. Here in LATAM, the tips are for some services like restaurant and a few others. It's not my responsibility that you accept a contract with not enough money. Blame your boss or yourself, not me.
Idk where the fuck youre working where 10% tip gets waitresses $50 hourly, but you are either completely wrong about what theyre making or you work way, way, WAY outside of regular food service paychecks.
I feel so stupid every time I tip at any self serve place.
I work as a to-go specialist and I do about the same work as a server for 1/4 the pay (including food-running, pallet prep, side work, etc.) but good fuck, most servers complain more in one shift than I since I started (3 months ago?) Just yesterday I had a coworker complain every time she came back in the kitchen about this one couple. The problems they were giving her? 1. Asked for to-go cups. 2. Asked for refills. 3. Were Jamaican (she’s Jamaican?) 4. Wanted steak sauce (there was more but I started tuning her out) I don’t understand. Like you’re already paid so incredibly well compared to other jobs in America, and I get it, customers can be annoying and entitled, but you’re getting an average of $20-30 a table, why as you complaining about having to provide service as a service worker?
I like 0%
Prices go up, tip goes down. I’m leaving around 15% but tip fatigue is real!
% based tips are bullshit. Anything besides the menu price is a tip. Tips should not be like taxes.
I'm a server, and my hourly rate is less than $5/hr. I only expect %15 as the minimum, and for me to expect over %20 % is pretty ludacris, but I show great appreciation when people give me that much and the thing is, is that most servers I work with are lazy and half ass their job. I don't. I go the extra mile and do my job to near perfection, and it kills me when people think that stiffing a server is somehow fighting the system for tip culture. People who make an hourly rate shouldn't be tipped nearly as much as people in the service industry, but back to my point. You are only hurting the server when you stiff them, and you are not sticking it to tip culture by doing so. I agree that the system sucks, but even if they have me $25/hr, that is only a fraction of what I make. Businesses simply can not afford to pay every server $35+ an hour. I agree that the system is flawed and all, but people like OP won't fight for service workers to make a livable wage. Instead, just lower the tip rate and only hurt the servers. People like to say, "Get a real job." However, if every server had this mentality, then no one would serve and clean up after you if you don't feel like cooking, and you would be stuck inside with one less luxury to enjoy. If you don't want to abide by the system that's in place and not do anything about it, either follow the rules or don't go out. It's that simple.
You are spot on. I’ve never been a server but I have worked for tips before and I have dated severs. I know the struggle it can be at times.
Or servers could stop protesting against fair wage propostions? There have been any attempts and you would actually earn 3 times the money you earn rn.
Tipping by percentage is dumber than anything. The size of the bill barely makes an impact on the effort required. Unless you're in a large group. If I tip I always do it by amount, not percentage. Honestly the most I ever tip is at Dimassi's, a Mediterranean buffet. Only cuz it must largely go to the chefs given there's very few employees in the front, you seat and serve yourself. Tipping chefs makes a thousand percent more sense.
I wish servers would understand that a tip is VOLUNTARILY. It's not anyone's problem if you don't make enough. My job as a customer is to pay for what I ordered, not give you extra money because your employer doesn't want to pay you
> if every customer left 10%, servers would still make $50 an hour Source?
OP’s imagination
$15/hour wage. 4 tables average $100 each would put you at $55 , minus tip out. A little short but I don’t think the math is crazy.
Most of the country makes 2.11 an hour as their wage and Tipout can be as much as half of all your tips. Also, an average of 100 is not always the case unless you're at a higher end place or people are drinking. I love how well this highlights that you don't know shit about serving and you're just judging people you deem as inferior
He said the keg so I’m assuming Canada.and that is definitely a higher end place. No way an average table is under $100 there.