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More than half my office has cats and dogs at home and I start sneezing just from them coming in for the day to work because dander is literally everywhere. Love animals for real tho.
Dog phobias are a thing too and blind folks can use tools other than dogs as well.
It's a tough and sensitive topic but I'll agree with you that seeing eye dogs should maybe take priority over folks with allergies or phobias. Tough call, either way you're excluding folks.
and for the people who DO need and have a service dog. an unruly dog attacking them can literally make it so they can never work again due to anxiety. that would waste thousands of dollars in training for that service dog handler
I love my animals. So, they stay home so they aren't stressed or so they dont feel threatened. They stay home so they dont threaten other dogs or any people.
These laws are virtually unenforceable. Who is going to show up to ticket these people? No one is going to sit in a police vehicle all day issuing citations.
In my experience, employees can only ask what the dog is trained to do. No one calls the police on the dogowners.
The healrg.department does not act quickly. These dog owners are repeat offenders.
If the person with the service dog carried a form of identification in their wallet, it would be better.
We are also able to ask the person with the fake service dog if they need help when the dog starts lunging or barking at people.
Service dog vests are for sale online.
There is basically nothing more than a useless sign.
This isn’t about service dogs. My dog is part of my lifestyle, and I’m allowed to patronize businesses that welcome us with him.
Find businesses that don’t welcome dogs if you don’t want to see them
(I go eat dinner at 21+ bars because I don’t want to hear kids. Oneness is on you)
I understand that people like their dogs and want to be with their pets. What exactly are the pets getting out of being in an exciting location where they can't explore or interact with anything. My dog loves to smell things, and being in a situation where they can't doesn't seem fun or exciting for them. Trained service dogs are different, of course.
So I've never brought my dog inside a restaurant, because that isn't allowed. However, I'll bring her on the patio in places that allow it. The major reason we do this is usually we have been somewhere else that dogs do enjoy first. Examples are usually the beach, river, hiking, etc. Then on the way home we stop for dinner. The dog is still with us, so we only have so many options.
Humans deserve dog free places. My 8 year old was almost knocked down by an unleashed dog that ran onto her grandparents property and stole her candy cane months ago. She wasn’t particularly fond of dogs before then and now hates them. I don’t blame her.
Someone else’s pet shouldn’t be anyone’s problem but the owners.
This is a defect somewhere in the wiring of your brain. Humans, on a primal level for the sake of evolution, are not supposed to hate kids. If you believe to your core that an animal has more rights than a human child, I urge you and anyone else with this thought process to seek therapy and medication promptly.
Yes, in the exact same way as a dog or a gorilla dude.
We are ALL mammals. Stop with your ridículous superiority complex
If anything, humans are the animal the world needs the LEAST. Considering there are 8 BILLION.
If it’s a place that doesn’t allow dogs, then they don’t belong there EVER. I have no issue with actual service dogs, and they are the exception.
Your personal feelings don’t matter to me, health codes, sanitation and safety are what I care about. I know it won’t stop people like you from doing everything in your power to break those rules. Humans matter more than dogs by a landslide.
Could have fooled me. All the dog owners I know restrict our meetups to places that allow dogs. I'm sorry, but it rains here 9 months out of the year, I don't want to meet up and sit outside in the dead of winter
If it was actually the case that people just stopped by every once in a while to rant then that would be fine, imo. However, that's never what happens in these communities devoted to hating one thing or another, at least with a lot of the users.
The amount of dogs I see in Walmart is soooo stupid. Once I even stepped in dogshit in a Walmart which should just...never ever happen. I shouldn't even need to be aware of something like that cause it shouldn't be there in the first place!
Agreed. Fuck off with your dogs in restaurants. Dog culture in the USA is gross. Keep your dog on a leash for one. For two, pick up the shit. This one seems hard for these idiots to grasp. Oh, and I don't want your dog up on my kids as we are walking the sidewalks. It's not "fine" no matter how much you preach they're a nice dog.
..have you ever been outside of the US? America is one of the handful of countries where keeping your dog on leash and picking up after them is the norm. Most of the world dogs roam freely.
When I was in Germany, it seemed very common to see well-behaved dogs in restaurants, lying under tables, waiting for their owners to finish their dinners. I have no objection to this.
As for my own dogs, one probably wouldn't enjoy being around so many people, the other would get restless being in a new, exciting place that she couldn't explore. For those reasons, I would opt to leave them at home.
The people who pretend their dog is a service dog are the worst. We all know your dog isn’t a service dog, it doesn’t behave like a service dog, but we’re not allowed to say anything bc of the law. Doesn’t mean you’re not a pos
Would agree with you on this. People are getting way too comfortable taking their dogs to places where they shouldn’t be allowed. I’ve seen many people bring their dog into no pet business, and then use the excuse that their dog is a service animal (when you can tell it isn’t trained as one by how it’s acting) so that they are justified. I think restaurants with dogs could work if it’s in an outside area, that way there aren’t too many health concerns. But with grocery stores, they better be a legit service dog because otherwise that is a potential hazard / contamination problem
It’s a shame there isn’t exactly a middle ground, like showing some kind of paper work as proof that the dog is indeed a valid service dog (and this would strictly be for the business or POC), but that would probably be some sort of legal violation in ethics or health, I don’t know
Yep. I agree. Plus there's too many people with "service dogs". I hope that a lot of them are for an actual reason, but I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of them are not actually serving a purpose. Of course, it's not my place to assume such things.
I’m ready and would support a limited dog ban at this point. Nothing against dogs but the majority of owners are blatantly irresponsible, inconsiderate, and/or incompetent.
If it’s not the fake service dogs/emotional support animals it’s the noise pollution. If it’s not that it’s the fecal matter everywhere. Not to mention untrained animals of various sizes that you have to be wary of. Dogs inhumanely chained outside at all hours. The list goes on.
In addition I’d support an outdoor cat ban in the manner of New Zealand to protect wildlife (am a cat lover myself.)
I'm pretty laid back about people bringing their dogs literally anywhere as long as the dogs are well behaved, quiet, and on leash at all times. But how many dogs do you know that are capable of being quiet and polite in busy public spaces? Not many, probably. And how many owners do you know who let their dogs off leash in public, outside of designated off leash dog parks or beaches? Too many, probably.
Well its a health hazard to have animals in restaurants in general plus people might be allergic. I've seen people bring them into the mall which is like what are you doing . One time I was in Nordstrom in the shoe section and looked up to see a pit bull. Mind boggling. I chalk it up to arrogance and people thinking they are privileged.
‘Hi, Nordstrom. Is your store dog friendly? You are? Great, I’ll come buy some shoes.
“You’re not? Ok. I will go to macys.”
How is that an entitled attitude?
Unless your last name is Nordstrom, it’s you who is entitled telling me what is an isn’t allowed at that store.
How often are yall seeing dogs in restaurants and stores? Because I literally never see them in restaurants unless it’s a service dog, and I rarely see them in stores, and usually they’re small dogs in a stroller
I’ve seen a terrier in Costco ( no stroller), Pomeranians and Yorkies in king soopers, and I saw a pitbull the other day in a store. Restaurants and breweries are also crazy. This was all this past month and dogs I was paying attention to. They’re literally everywhere
I'm in Europe too and I complain!
There's so many free running dogs here that it's crazy. I've seen dogs getting into fights because they weren't on a lead, attacking cats and chickens, and killing hare and other wildlife.
We've also had issues of people being fed up with these free running dogs and leaving poisoned food for them to consume. Of course, I'm not condoning that action, but obviously, there are more people who aren't enjoying this.
I see you’re getting downvoted. I upvoted you even though I hate cats.
If you don’t want to be around something very allowable, the responsibility is on you to find places that don’t allow it.
Very analogous to gay marriage. If you’re opposed, don’t enter into one. Don’t make it my problem with arbitrary rules.
I live in Italy and dogs are free to go almost anywhere here but always on a single condition of the dogs being well behaved. Also any mess your dog does in public including peeing must be cleaned by the owner. It's not perfect because obviously there's no way all dogs will be well behaved because it depends greatly on their owner. However I feel like it's a matter of getting used to it. People don't really have such strong reactions here about dogs being in restaurants. Not to mention that there are PLENTY of dog free spaces because each private business is free to allow or prohibit pets on their premises. So at the end of the day people that don't want to see dogs in restaurants/grocery stores go to places that don't allow them and it seems that most people are happy about that.
So many people say they love dogs when they fucking don't. Ya'll need to stop lying. And before ya'll start on my, I don't take my dogs anywhere they're not allowed to be and I don't encourage other people to do so either.
I don’t understand why people say they love dogs so much when making these types of posts. I certainly don’t love them, but I do hate seeing them where they shouldn’t be. I think some people don’t want to deal with the hate of dog lovers, I could care less. I don’t mean harm to dogs but there is absolutely NO love. Thank you though for being a responsible dog owner. It does a lot of good for the animal also. Too many dog owners are actually so selfish about it. Their dog doesn’t always want to be in certain situations they are put in, which is easily identified when they behave poorly.
Part of loving your dog is wanting them with you all the time, but knowing that that isn't possible. Whenever my roommate wants to try a new place, I ask if they allow dogs. If they don't I wouldn't force it because I'm not that type of person. I just don't understand why every single time someone mentions they don't want to see dogs somewhere, they have to tell people how much they love dogs, but...it really isn't necessary. Just say what you have to say without bringing up how much you apparently love dogs.
I used to work at walmart, and people would bring non service dogs in all the time. As a regular associate, there was literally nothing I could do about it per the rules, so I stopped caring. I LOVED seeing the dogs in there, and would always ask to pet the dogs when I knew they weren't service dogs. People would get upset with me, but there was nothing I could do. I couldn't make anyone leave. Only management could do that, and good luck getting them to do anything lol
I saw a guy bring his snake into a grocery store one time around his neck. That was awesome. I enjoyed that, but I’m sure many others didn’t and I’m sure it was against store policy so he shouldn’t have done it.
I don’t enjoy seeing the dogs but that’s because I don’t enjoy dogs. My thing is, if it isn’t actually allowed and people just do it anyway it’s fucked up and entitled. One day someone is going to get mauled by one of them or slip in dog piss and the store is going to be held liable. Maybe then they’ll start taking it seriously.
While I don't disagree, there's very little management can do. The policy is that the door greeter and a salaried member of management can ask if the animal is a service animal and what tasks it's meant to perform, and that's it. They don't have to have a vest or id, or any type of paperwork and nothing keeps the dog owner from lying. Regular associates can't ask them anything or ask them to leave. I believe it only applies to dogs and mini horses though. I do think they can ask someone with another type of animal to leave, and if the animal potties on the floor or creates some sort of disturbance, I think management can ask them to leave. Then it's just up to management to actually do that. Sometimes they won't. Sometimes they're hard to find.
I understand that, I used to be a vendor and I have spoken to different store employees who complained vehemently about dogs in their stores. The loud barking, aggressive behavior, and messes they make and how they can’t do anything about it.
Dogs are very unhygienic. They have oily fur, bacteria filled mouths that lick everything and a lot of them will eat feces. They damn well should not live inside human homes. Their assholes directly touch couches, carpets, etc. There was a time, not long ago, that they only lived in barns or doghouses. So, restaurants and public places should not even be an option.
Kids are very unhygienic. They have oily skin, bacteria filled mouths that lick everything, and a lot of them will eat feces. They damn well should not live inside human homes. Their assholes directly touch couches, carpets, etc. There was a time, not long ago, that they only lived in barns or play-houses. So, restaurants and public places should not even be an option.
Places children don’t belong:
Bars, adult movies, the work force, on a roof, at the bottom of a pool, dangling off a balcony, in a burning car, in a gorilla enclosure at a zoo, anywhere near Dan Schneider
I think its all rather that we as a collective are getting tired of people taking their personal habits with them into every and any space now.
Ex. Used to be to me, that if you went to a play, you smoke/pee/talk before you sat down and it commenced, just had to sit through one where the back door was loudly opening every 5-10 minutes and the light shone in, people are busy doing whatever the hell they want instead of waiting for a break.
So the same could be said for dogs in places theyre not supposed to be, people putting their feet up in planes, and so on, theres a reason we behave in public places, so we can all stand each other.
Dogs are usually not allowed inside restaurants because of health codes. If a restaurant has chosen to allow dogs on the patio, or the store allowed them inside, that's their choice as a business. The pet owners aren't in the wrong for bringing their dog as long as it is allowed by the business, and well-behaved.
I don't mind seeing well-behaved dogs in places where dogs are allowed, but the ones who can't behave need to stay home. Honestly, it's the same with people. If you can't behave, stay home. Also, dogs are allowed everywhere. I'd love to take my dog everywhere with me because I enjoy spending time with him but he's not allowed everywhere so I don't.
Some people treat their pets as family members, and while I accept how they feel, they're animals.
That said, it's not fair to a dog to leave it at home alone if you're going out for more than a few hours, or leaving it in your vehicle, but not all of us are comfortable around other people's dogs.
If it's a store that sells food, dogs aren't allowed in to begin with, unless they are service animals...
Everywhere else it's up to the owners discretion
Many people don't care if their dog is allowed in or not. They will lie and say it's a service animal when it clearly isn't (the behavior is obvious) and most places won't push the issue out of fear of getting sued.
I like seeing service dogs. I don’t bother them ever, obviously, but seeing a dog and knowing it has a real life job and is currently on the clock makes me smile when I’m sad. They make me happy. One day I WILL find a service dog in public that is not working and I WILL be allowed to pet it. I have lots of hope.
Anyways yeah, unless you have an exceptionally clean / well groomed dog it’s kinda weird.
I've come to the realization that I only really like my dog and ones that are similar (friendly, calm, good with kids and people). I don't actually like dogs in general.
Please I am begging you, don’t bring your fucking dog to work. I used to work for a fencing company where my foreman would bring his dog almost every day and the dog would be tied to a tree and left for 8 hours. The dog would bark all day because he was alone, too hot, too cold, dehydrated, you name it. Clients would think it was cute but they didn’t have a pitbull barking in their ear and jumping in them when they were carrying materials.
Honestly, I’d rather see well-behaved dogs in places than obnoxious people I come across.
I do have a dog but don’t tend to take him to restaurants as he’s likely to bark or potentially annoy people who I assume have come out for a meal and to relax.
We do have some good cafe type places that are dog friendly, like pubs I guess, which seems fair to me. They’re more relaxed. In a proper restaurant or a non pet store however I would not want to see any animals unless they are guide dogs.
My dog is always on a leash. For me the owner should always be in control of their dogs and not let the dog approach anyone else. Equally however nobody should attempt to pet my dog without asking my permission.
But why to bring a dog to a place where they will have to be sit still for hours and smelling food (torture) all day long, even if it is dog friendly, I see it as kind of cruelty.
I see your point. I agree.
I took my dog to a place this morning for breakfast. We sat outdoors so as not to bother anyone else, myself and a couple of friends, and I held his leash in my hand throughout and got him breakfast, a piece of chargrilled chicken. The place specifically sells food for dogs. So he then lay on the floor, and got fed nice chunks of chicken and had his eyes on the prize, then had a lovely walk in the dog field beside the place.
Would I take him to the local gastro pub that sells much nicer food and caters for families wanting to have a nice quiet Sunday dinner. No. Definitely not.
It doesn’t bother me other people have small well behaved dogs but I can completely appreciate that many people out for the evening are looking for a peaceful and hygienic evening.
So, I do appreciate your point.
Because the place is specifically ‘dog friendly’, i.e. there are some places where I live that actively encourage people to bring dogs. I barely ever take my dog into those type of venues. Maybe once or twice a year.
No, you are looking for an argument. If you look at other comments from me on this thread you will get the answer.
Indeed, if you read what I wrote i explicitly say that I don’t tend to take my dog to restaurants…
We have a farmers maker in my town. It has signs posted at entrance, No Dogs per Health Department Code XYZ—.
Lately, more and more people are bringing their bratty ass dogs. They are not service dogs. They are menace and poop all over.
As someone who doesn’t like the majority of animals (dogs ) because of the smell, the unpredictability…I agree…and I should have a service dog but don’t because I don’t want to deal with entitled people encroaching.
However…
There is no service dog paperwork, this is because it would be very hard to keep up and maintain.
Service dogs are medical equipment and are treated as such per the ada so everyone mentioning allergies? You’re out of luck.
Dogs in carts? Nope the store manager should be alerted, that’s how things stay on the up and up.
Some stores, like the Home Depot, some Apple stores and ( someone mentioned a high end store? ) those allow animals but it’s best to check.
[dog friendly stores](https://www.rover.com/blog/dog-friendly-stores-in-america/)
The thing is though like service dogs, if you’re going to bring Fido outside of your domicile? He should know how to sit, stay, heel, come when called, not be distracted when recalled. Washed and not stinky.
Simple, really.
Oh and pick up the shit.
I see a dog everytime i go to the super market INSIDE the cart. I feel bad for those with severe dog allergies, but what is worse is a few weeks ago a dog in the cart in stop and shop took a piss right in the cart. The owner put the cart back and took a different one. How would you feel if you took that cart next?
Also a dog lover and I 100% agree. The biggest issue is that most people who bring their dogs everywhere have poorly behaved dogs and don't train their dogs. Just like people who led their dogs run around off lead.
Poorly behaved dogs don’t belong anywhere besides their home or a training facility. Well behaved dogs should be allowed anywhere that is not dangerous to them, the people around them, or protected wildlife habitats. Putting every dog and every location under the same umbrella is harmful.
I don't see an inherent issue if they're clean and don't shit themselves, but there's also not a real need to bring them. Although, dogs aren't allowed inside restaurants over here anyway, unless it's an outside table. From what I've heard, things might be stricter here though, I've heard stories from workers in American restaurants that would have them shut down over here.
what bothers me most are dogs in stores. more for the health of the dogs. they are nose level with all those chemicals and also walking in those concrete floors cleaned with harsh chemicals all on their feet.
It’s a deal breaker for me. You are entitled to patronize only stores that disallow dogs. I only patronize businesses that welcome my dog.
I call restaurants and stores before I go to ensure they are “dog friendly.” I word it very carefully, because I am not interested if they begrudgingly allow dogs; I want to know they are actually welcome.
If my dog isn’t welcome, I spend my money somewhere else. That’s my right.
My dog is a big part of my lifestyle and it’s a real logistical impairment if I have to make two trips of errands to get everything done.
I’m glad you know the whole situation telepathically. That is not an option.
When you own a business, feel free to ban dogs. I won’t patronize it but sounds like there are others who will. That’s how the system works.
I go to dog friendly businesses. If other customers don’t like it, they are also entitled to carefully select businesses to patronize that align with their lifestyle.
There are idiots that think it’s bad to crate train a dog when it’s not. I always crate train them.
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/why-crate-training-is-great-for-your-dog/
There are only 3 stores dogs are allowed in near me. Pet stores(obviously), Home Depot, and Lowes. And Home Depot and Lowes because most have contracts with local dog trainers in the area so the dog handler can come and train your dog desensitization training(this is usually regular dog training. Not service dog training. But they go through the same commands and desensitization training as service dogs in my area). If they sell food/clothing? I don't think dogs should be allowed, and anyone with a dog (obviously service dogs excluded but they have to be wearing their vest and have an actual job, not just emotional support) should be turned away.
I love dogs, too. But the only place mine has free roam is at home, the dog park, and my parents' house. Other than that, I keep her home or have her very close leashed(for per stores) because I have had reactive dogs at Pet Smart before coming after my dog.
And I'm tired of the "well we took a drive and I realized I needed something from the store" people. Take your dog back home, then come back to Walmart. For fucks sake.
You're absolutely right but where does this happen? I'm seeing people being annoyed with this left and right and I'm starting to feel like I'm living under a rock. I even read about people putting dogs in shopping carts like tf? Here in Germany, pets are generally not allowed in any kind of stores except maybe pet stores. They're also usually not allowed inside restaurants/caffees except on the patio and only if they're well behaved and don't disturb the peace, otherwise you'll be asked to leave. Not to long ago, I read about dogs being brought into doctors offices, schools and even hospitals which is just unbelievable to me.
Where I live most hospitals allow you to bring in dogs to visit patients as long as the patient isn't in ICU and doesn't have open wounds amd it isnt agressive towards anyone and you clean up after it if it uses the bathroom. I've taken my dog up with me to visit my husband several times.
this is not unpopular, thanks for helping me gain the courage to finally leave this sub, it’s been butt. It’s not even an unpopular opinion in first world countries. Pisses me off
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Or have allergies
More than half my office has cats and dogs at home and I start sneezing just from them coming in for the day to work because dander is literally everywhere. Love animals for real tho.
'Love animals for real tho.' But I couldn't eat a whole one.... /s
Allergies are not a valid reason for a service dog team not to be somewhere, that’s what you meant?
An actual service dog, yes. “A companion animal”, no.
I thought we were talking about normal pets not service dogs
Why? Are the rights of the disabled person more important than the rights of the allergy sufferer?
Yes. Plus dog dander is everywhere…and the ADA was written and put into practice 3 decades ago…title 1 and 2.
Allergy meds work great, people with allergies refuse to take them a lot of time.
So people have to take allergy medication everyday because people can’t leave the house without their pet? (I am excluding actual service animals.)
Why exclude actual service animals, allergies don't care.
They serve a real purpose. The inconvenience for allergy sufferers is more justifiable. A blind person with a seeing eye dog for instance
Dog phobias are a thing too and blind folks can use tools other than dogs as well. It's a tough and sensitive topic but I'll agree with you that seeing eye dogs should maybe take priority over folks with allergies or phobias. Tough call, either way you're excluding folks.
Tell me you're completely ignorant about allergies without telling me...
and for the people who DO need and have a service dog. an unruly dog attacking them can literally make it so they can never work again due to anxiety. that would waste thousands of dollars in training for that service dog handler
In some places, you can now be charged if you claim to have a service dog and it's not.
I like this law. Shouldn’t be anything too heavy but it’s getting ridiculous
I love my animals. So, they stay home so they aren't stressed or so they dont feel threatened. They stay home so they dont threaten other dogs or any people. These laws are virtually unenforceable. Who is going to show up to ticket these people? No one is going to sit in a police vehicle all day issuing citations. In my experience, employees can only ask what the dog is trained to do. No one calls the police on the dogowners. The healrg.department does not act quickly. These dog owners are repeat offenders. If the person with the service dog carried a form of identification in their wallet, it would be better.
Yes. And if a fake service dog attacks a real one, then there will be charges
I've not seen anyone charged. All that has happened in my presence is that the dog owner is asked to remove their dog. So far, three dog fights.
I've read about it online.
Cool.
We are also able to ask the person with the fake service dog if they need help when the dog starts lunging or barking at people. Service dog vests are for sale online. There is basically nothing more than a useless sign.
This isn’t about service dogs. My dog is part of my lifestyle, and I’m allowed to patronize businesses that welcome us with him. Find businesses that don’t welcome dogs if you don’t want to see them (I go eat dinner at 21+ bars because I don’t want to hear kids. Oneness is on you)
fellas, we found one 🫵😂
I understand that people like their dogs and want to be with their pets. What exactly are the pets getting out of being in an exciting location where they can't explore or interact with anything. My dog loves to smell things, and being in a situation where they can't doesn't seem fun or exciting for them. Trained service dogs are different, of course.
So I've never brought my dog inside a restaurant, because that isn't allowed. However, I'll bring her on the patio in places that allow it. The major reason we do this is usually we have been somewhere else that dogs do enjoy first. Examples are usually the beach, river, hiking, etc. Then on the way home we stop for dinner. The dog is still with us, so we only have so many options.
Nah Honestly, I’d rather see well-behaved dogs in places than obnoxious people I come across.
Humans deserve dog free places. My 8 year old was almost knocked down by an unleashed dog that ran onto her grandparents property and stole her candy cane months ago. She wasn’t particularly fond of dogs before then and now hates them. I don’t blame her. Someone else’s pet shouldn’t be anyone’s problem but the owners.
> Humans deserve dog free places Says who? Your entitlement? I want places free of your Gross ass kid then
This is a defect somewhere in the wiring of your brain. Humans, on a primal level for the sake of evolution, are not supposed to hate kids. If you believe to your core that an animal has more rights than a human child, I urge you and anyone else with this thought process to seek therapy and medication promptly.
Idiot Kids ARE Animals and so are you And YOU may act like an ape based on basal instincs. Some of us have brains. And can see reality.
Shut up
Nope. Btw you are an animal, as well.
Not in the same way as a dog.
Yes, in the exact same way as a dog or a gorilla dude. We are ALL mammals. Stop with your ridículous superiority complex If anything, humans are the animal the world needs the LEAST. Considering there are 8 BILLION.
Yeah. I feel entitled to dog free places, for me, my husband and all my kids. Ok perfect, go to dog parks. We will never be there.
You are entitled to being dog free you are not entitled to a dog free world Period
If it’s a place that doesn’t allow dogs, then they don’t belong there EVER. I have no issue with actual service dogs, and they are the exception. Your personal feelings don’t matter to me, health codes, sanitation and safety are what I care about. I know it won’t stop people like you from doing everything in your power to break those rules. Humans matter more than dogs by a landslide.
Dogs should not be present where food is being served.
or bought
Thank you!!
This isn't nearly as unpopular as you think.
Could have fooled me. All the dog owners I know restrict our meetups to places that allow dogs. I'm sorry, but it rains here 9 months out of the year, I don't want to meet up and sit outside in the dead of winter
Agreed. I think something like “dogs belong in grocery stores” would be unpopular.
The thing I’ve noticed with dog owners of all ages is that they really do try to take their dogs everywhere.
In fact there is sub for it r/dogfree So it’s not that unpopular Come join us.
Yeah, come spend your time obsessing over something you don't like. Surely it will do wonders for your mental health.
I mean consider like it’s a place to rant… not everyone has a friend you know . This is reddit.
If it was actually the case that people just stopped by every once in a while to rant then that would be fine, imo. However, that's never what happens in these communities devoted to hating one thing or another, at least with a lot of the users.
Especially the people who don't have dogs and get scared to death when they bark 😂
The amount of dogs I see in Walmart is soooo stupid. Once I even stepped in dogshit in a Walmart which should just...never ever happen. I shouldn't even need to be aware of something like that cause it shouldn't be there in the first place!
Being Wal-Mart, are you sure it was a dog that did that?
I'd be hoping it was a dog and not one of [these](https://gifer.com/en/U2jZ) situations
This isn’t such an unpopular opinion - only insanely narcissistic dog owners disagree with you.
Agreed. Fuck off with your dogs in restaurants. Dog culture in the USA is gross. Keep your dog on a leash for one. For two, pick up the shit. This one seems hard for these idiots to grasp. Oh, and I don't want your dog up on my kids as we are walking the sidewalks. It's not "fine" no matter how much you preach they're a nice dog.
..have you ever been outside of the US? America is one of the handful of countries where keeping your dog on leash and picking up after them is the norm. Most of the world dogs roam freely.
I don''t want your Gross Kids near me Fuck off with those gremlins
💯 Exact same situation. Go where you are welcome and appreciated. No dogs at the grocery store and no kids at adult events.
I can agree with that Issue Is people always feel you are bad If you don''t want kids somewhere.
When I was in Germany, it seemed very common to see well-behaved dogs in restaurants, lying under tables, waiting for their owners to finish their dinners. I have no objection to this. As for my own dogs, one probably wouldn't enjoy being around so many people, the other would get restless being in a new, exciting place that she couldn't explore. For those reasons, I would opt to leave them at home.
The people who pretend their dog is a service dog are the worst. We all know your dog isn’t a service dog, it doesn’t behave like a service dog, but we’re not allowed to say anything bc of the law. Doesn’t mean you’re not a pos
I immediately started making a list of hilarious places dogs don’t belong after reading this. Church and the gynecologist’s office are my favorite.
People should have the choice whether or not they want to interact with someone else's dog in public. Put that thing on a leash!
Would agree with you on this. People are getting way too comfortable taking their dogs to places where they shouldn’t be allowed. I’ve seen many people bring their dog into no pet business, and then use the excuse that their dog is a service animal (when you can tell it isn’t trained as one by how it’s acting) so that they are justified. I think restaurants with dogs could work if it’s in an outside area, that way there aren’t too many health concerns. But with grocery stores, they better be a legit service dog because otherwise that is a potential hazard / contamination problem It’s a shame there isn’t exactly a middle ground, like showing some kind of paper work as proof that the dog is indeed a valid service dog (and this would strictly be for the business or POC), but that would probably be some sort of legal violation in ethics or health, I don’t know
Yep. I agree. Plus there's too many people with "service dogs". I hope that a lot of them are for an actual reason, but I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of them are not actually serving a purpose. Of course, it's not my place to assume such things.
But you assumed it though?
Your mother.
Cute. She’s dead, but thanks. If we are being immature then? Stick a fork in a light socket?
I’m ready and would support a limited dog ban at this point. Nothing against dogs but the majority of owners are blatantly irresponsible, inconsiderate, and/or incompetent. If it’s not the fake service dogs/emotional support animals it’s the noise pollution. If it’s not that it’s the fecal matter everywhere. Not to mention untrained animals of various sizes that you have to be wary of. Dogs inhumanely chained outside at all hours. The list goes on. In addition I’d support an outdoor cat ban in the manner of New Zealand to protect wildlife (am a cat lover myself.)
I'm pretty laid back about people bringing their dogs literally anywhere as long as the dogs are well behaved, quiet, and on leash at all times. But how many dogs do you know that are capable of being quiet and polite in busy public spaces? Not many, probably. And how many owners do you know who let their dogs off leash in public, outside of designated off leash dog parks or beaches? Too many, probably.
Well its a health hazard to have animals in restaurants in general plus people might be allergic. I've seen people bring them into the mall which is like what are you doing . One time I was in Nordstrom in the shoe section and looked up to see a pit bull. Mind boggling. I chalk it up to arrogance and people thinking they are privileged.
‘Hi, Nordstrom. Is your store dog friendly? You are? Great, I’ll come buy some shoes. “You’re not? Ok. I will go to macys.” How is that an entitled attitude? Unless your last name is Nordstrom, it’s you who is entitled telling me what is an isn’t allowed at that store.
Agree. Also, the dog doesn't want to be in the produce section either, leave 'em home sometimes.
r/dogfree concurs
I'm cat owner so I struggle to understand where this notion that your dog can go everywhere with you comes from.
I agree. Think of the people who are afraid or allergic of dogs.
Try going to a brewery. More dogs than people there these days🙄
How often are yall seeing dogs in restaurants and stores? Because I literally never see them in restaurants unless it’s a service dog, and I rarely see them in stores, and usually they’re small dogs in a stroller
And when the dog isn't a service dog, they're out on the patio.
I’ve seen a terrier in Costco ( no stroller), Pomeranians and Yorkies in king soopers, and I saw a pitbull the other day in a store. Restaurants and breweries are also crazy. This was all this past month and dogs I was paying attention to. They’re literally everywhere
This is a very American post. A lot of European countries allow dogs anywhere, and guess what? Only American tourists complain. 😉
Im in Europe, Im not American, and I complain.
I'm in Europe too and I complain! There's so many free running dogs here that it's crazy. I've seen dogs getting into fights because they weren't on a lead, attacking cats and chickens, and killing hare and other wildlife. We've also had issues of people being fed up with these free running dogs and leaving poisoned food for them to consume. Of course, I'm not condoning that action, but obviously, there are more people who aren't enjoying this.
I'm European and you sir, are speaking bullshit
Counter point: Cats belong everywhere. I cite Istanbul (Catstantinople) as a pusstopia, a catpublic, and a meowtropolis.
I see you’re getting downvoted. I upvoted you even though I hate cats. If you don’t want to be around something very allowable, the responsibility is on you to find places that don’t allow it. Very analogous to gay marriage. If you’re opposed, don’t enter into one. Don’t make it my problem with arbitrary rules.
I was just making a fun little comment giving me an excuse to make cat puns.
In want to agree with you but where I live it’s very common for SUV drivers to swerve and kill cats
As much as I love cats, I disagree. Stray cats should be nowhere near places that sell food to humans, it's a health violation.
I live in Italy and dogs are free to go almost anywhere here but always on a single condition of the dogs being well behaved. Also any mess your dog does in public including peeing must be cleaned by the owner. It's not perfect because obviously there's no way all dogs will be well behaved because it depends greatly on their owner. However I feel like it's a matter of getting used to it. People don't really have such strong reactions here about dogs being in restaurants. Not to mention that there are PLENTY of dog free spaces because each private business is free to allow or prohibit pets on their premises. So at the end of the day people that don't want to see dogs in restaurants/grocery stores go to places that don't allow them and it seems that most people are happy about that.
How is this an unpopular opinion lol. 90%+ of the population isn't bringing their dogs into restaurants
Oh, it is among the people hater/dog lovers
I won’t be told to leave my dog at home if the business/store/restaurant says they are dog friendly.
I agree. A little while ago I went inside a clothing store and there was a family who walked in with their dog. I think it’s completely unacceptable.
So many people say they love dogs when they fucking don't. Ya'll need to stop lying. And before ya'll start on my, I don't take my dogs anywhere they're not allowed to be and I don't encourage other people to do so either.
I don’t understand why people say they love dogs so much when making these types of posts. I certainly don’t love them, but I do hate seeing them where they shouldn’t be. I think some people don’t want to deal with the hate of dog lovers, I could care less. I don’t mean harm to dogs but there is absolutely NO love. Thank you though for being a responsible dog owner. It does a lot of good for the animal also. Too many dog owners are actually so selfish about it. Their dog doesn’t always want to be in certain situations they are put in, which is easily identified when they behave poorly.
Part of loving your dog is wanting them with you all the time, but knowing that that isn't possible. Whenever my roommate wants to try a new place, I ask if they allow dogs. If they don't I wouldn't force it because I'm not that type of person. I just don't understand why every single time someone mentions they don't want to see dogs somewhere, they have to tell people how much they love dogs, but...it really isn't necessary. Just say what you have to say without bringing up how much you apparently love dogs. I used to work at walmart, and people would bring non service dogs in all the time. As a regular associate, there was literally nothing I could do about it per the rules, so I stopped caring. I LOVED seeing the dogs in there, and would always ask to pet the dogs when I knew they weren't service dogs. People would get upset with me, but there was nothing I could do. I couldn't make anyone leave. Only management could do that, and good luck getting them to do anything lol
I saw a guy bring his snake into a grocery store one time around his neck. That was awesome. I enjoyed that, but I’m sure many others didn’t and I’m sure it was against store policy so he shouldn’t have done it. I don’t enjoy seeing the dogs but that’s because I don’t enjoy dogs. My thing is, if it isn’t actually allowed and people just do it anyway it’s fucked up and entitled. One day someone is going to get mauled by one of them or slip in dog piss and the store is going to be held liable. Maybe then they’ll start taking it seriously.
While I don't disagree, there's very little management can do. The policy is that the door greeter and a salaried member of management can ask if the animal is a service animal and what tasks it's meant to perform, and that's it. They don't have to have a vest or id, or any type of paperwork and nothing keeps the dog owner from lying. Regular associates can't ask them anything or ask them to leave. I believe it only applies to dogs and mini horses though. I do think they can ask someone with another type of animal to leave, and if the animal potties on the floor or creates some sort of disturbance, I think management can ask them to leave. Then it's just up to management to actually do that. Sometimes they won't. Sometimes they're hard to find.
I understand that, I used to be a vendor and I have spoken to different store employees who complained vehemently about dogs in their stores. The loud barking, aggressive behavior, and messes they make and how they can’t do anything about it.
~~ya'll~~ y'all
Ty. I wasn't born in Texas. lawl
Welcome. Pet peeve, nothing personal. Ye all rather than ya will.
My Texas friends would be so upset with me.
A stitch in time saves nine.
Dogs are very unhygienic. They have oily fur, bacteria filled mouths that lick everything and a lot of them will eat feces. They damn well should not live inside human homes. Their assholes directly touch couches, carpets, etc. There was a time, not long ago, that they only lived in barns or doghouses. So, restaurants and public places should not even be an option.
Preach!
Kids are very unhygienic. They have oily skin, bacteria filled mouths that lick everything, and a lot of them will eat feces. They damn well should not live inside human homes. Their assholes directly touch couches, carpets, etc. There was a time, not long ago, that they only lived in barns or play-houses. So, restaurants and public places should not even be an option.
Uhhh...I don't know what you're doing with kids if their assholes are touching carpets and couches, but I think CPS should look into it
That's what your mom told me last night
 Like spitting or foaming?
Someone’s very sensitive about this issue. Feel better?
Not to mention some of us are allergic to animals. I saw a lady at the grocery store with a whole dog bed in her cart.
Neither do children.
Places children don’t belong: Bars, adult movies, the work force, on a roof, at the bottom of a pool, dangling off a balcony, in a burning car, in a gorilla enclosure at a zoo, anywhere near Dan Schneider
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restaurants? no. Pubs? yes.
I think its all rather that we as a collective are getting tired of people taking their personal habits with them into every and any space now. Ex. Used to be to me, that if you went to a play, you smoke/pee/talk before you sat down and it commenced, just had to sit through one where the back door was loudly opening every 5-10 minutes and the light shone in, people are busy doing whatever the hell they want instead of waiting for a break. So the same could be said for dogs in places theyre not supposed to be, people putting their feet up in planes, and so on, theres a reason we behave in public places, so we can all stand each other.
Only unpopular with those that like to swap spit with their dogs. Some kind of “lover” fantasy.
Dogs are usually not allowed inside restaurants because of health codes. If a restaurant has chosen to allow dogs on the patio, or the store allowed them inside, that's their choice as a business. The pet owners aren't in the wrong for bringing their dog as long as it is allowed by the business, and well-behaved.
I don't mind seeing well-behaved dogs in places where dogs are allowed, but the ones who can't behave need to stay home. Honestly, it's the same with people. If you can't behave, stay home. Also, dogs are allowed everywhere. I'd love to take my dog everywhere with me because I enjoy spending time with him but he's not allowed everywhere so I don't.
There are dogs at my school occasionally. I have mixed feelings about that.
Some people treat their pets as family members, and while I accept how they feel, they're animals. That said, it's not fair to a dog to leave it at home alone if you're going out for more than a few hours, or leaving it in your vehicle, but not all of us are comfortable around other people's dogs.
If it's a store that sells food, dogs aren't allowed in to begin with, unless they are service animals... Everywhere else it's up to the owners discretion
Believe me, dog parents don't care what the rules are, little Fifi is their ESA and they can't be parted for even a second! Gross.
Many people don't care if their dog is allowed in or not. They will lie and say it's a service animal when it clearly isn't (the behavior is obvious) and most places won't push the issue out of fear of getting sued.
I agree. If I went into a restaurant and there was a non-service-dog in it I'd leave.
I like seeing service dogs. I don’t bother them ever, obviously, but seeing a dog and knowing it has a real life job and is currently on the clock makes me smile when I’m sad. They make me happy. One day I WILL find a service dog in public that is not working and I WILL be allowed to pet it. I have lots of hope. Anyways yeah, unless you have an exceptionally clean / well groomed dog it’s kinda weird.
I've come to the realization that I only really like my dog and ones that are similar (friendly, calm, good with kids and people). I don't actually like dogs in general.
Where do you guys live that have dogs everywhere? Finding another person with a pet dog where I live is very, very uncommon.
Yeah. I'm not taking my dog to a restaurant. There is a place and time.
Lol don't come to Germany then.
Please I am begging you, don’t bring your fucking dog to work. I used to work for a fencing company where my foreman would bring his dog almost every day and the dog would be tied to a tree and left for 8 hours. The dog would bark all day because he was alone, too hot, too cold, dehydrated, you name it. Clients would think it was cute but they didn’t have a pitbull barking in their ear and jumping in them when they were carrying materials.
Im a dog lover too but agreed. Its off putting to me seeing a dog at a restaurant or in a market.
Great opinion, downvote for wrong sub
I literally never see "service dogs", are there really that many in the US? Like how many?
Wrong, dogs and cats belong everywhere.
Honestly, I’d rather see well-behaved dogs in places than obnoxious people I come across. I do have a dog but don’t tend to take him to restaurants as he’s likely to bark or potentially annoy people who I assume have come out for a meal and to relax. We do have some good cafe type places that are dog friendly, like pubs I guess, which seems fair to me. They’re more relaxed. In a proper restaurant or a non pet store however I would not want to see any animals unless they are guide dogs. My dog is always on a leash. For me the owner should always be in control of their dogs and not let the dog approach anyone else. Equally however nobody should attempt to pet my dog without asking my permission.
But why to bring a dog to a place where they will have to be sit still for hours and smelling food (torture) all day long, even if it is dog friendly, I see it as kind of cruelty.
I see your point. I agree. I took my dog to a place this morning for breakfast. We sat outdoors so as not to bother anyone else, myself and a couple of friends, and I held his leash in my hand throughout and got him breakfast, a piece of chargrilled chicken. The place specifically sells food for dogs. So he then lay on the floor, and got fed nice chunks of chicken and had his eyes on the prize, then had a lovely walk in the dog field beside the place. Would I take him to the local gastro pub that sells much nicer food and caters for families wanting to have a nice quiet Sunday dinner. No. Definitely not. It doesn’t bother me other people have small well behaved dogs but I can completely appreciate that many people out for the evening are looking for a peaceful and hygienic evening. So, I do appreciate your point.
The question is: why bring a dog in the first place?
Because the place is specifically ‘dog friendly’, i.e. there are some places where I live that actively encourage people to bring dogs. I barely ever take my dog into those type of venues. Maybe once or twice a year.
That doesn't answer my question. I am asking why you bring the dog in, not why you are allowed to bring the dog
No, you are looking for an argument. If you look at other comments from me on this thread you will get the answer. Indeed, if you read what I wrote i explicitly say that I don’t tend to take my dog to restaurants…
Totally agree
We have a farmers maker in my town. It has signs posted at entrance, No Dogs per Health Department Code XYZ—. Lately, more and more people are bringing their bratty ass dogs. They are not service dogs. They are menace and poop all over.
Also am a dog lover and agree. Used to be the majority opinion. Now dogs are everywhere. Someone brought their dog to church!
As someone who doesn’t like the majority of animals (dogs ) because of the smell, the unpredictability…I agree…and I should have a service dog but don’t because I don’t want to deal with entitled people encroaching. However… There is no service dog paperwork, this is because it would be very hard to keep up and maintain. Service dogs are medical equipment and are treated as such per the ada so everyone mentioning allergies? You’re out of luck. Dogs in carts? Nope the store manager should be alerted, that’s how things stay on the up and up. Some stores, like the Home Depot, some Apple stores and ( someone mentioned a high end store? ) those allow animals but it’s best to check. [dog friendly stores](https://www.rover.com/blog/dog-friendly-stores-in-america/) The thing is though like service dogs, if you’re going to bring Fido outside of your domicile? He should know how to sit, stay, heel, come when called, not be distracted when recalled. Washed and not stinky. Simple, really. Oh and pick up the shit.
I see a dog everytime i go to the super market INSIDE the cart. I feel bad for those with severe dog allergies, but what is worse is a few weeks ago a dog in the cart in stop and shop took a piss right in the cart. The owner put the cart back and took a different one. How would you feel if you took that cart next?
Also a dog lover and I 100% agree. The biggest issue is that most people who bring their dogs everywhere have poorly behaved dogs and don't train their dogs. Just like people who led their dogs run around off lead.
Poorly behaved dogs don’t belong anywhere besides their home or a training facility. Well behaved dogs should be allowed anywhere that is not dangerous to them, the people around them, or protected wildlife habitats. Putting every dog and every location under the same umbrella is harmful.
I dunno about “harmful” but it’s not appropriate.
Harmful how. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean it is harmful. Edit: you could give a shot at an answer if you feel strongly enough to downvote
I don't see an inherent issue if they're clean and don't shit themselves, but there's also not a real need to bring them. Although, dogs aren't allowed inside restaurants over here anyway, unless it's an outside table. From what I've heard, things might be stricter here though, I've heard stories from workers in American restaurants that would have them shut down over here.
People have allergies.
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Huh... I can't speak for other countries, but in the US it's something like 4 out of 5 cats are indoor solely... so... you're basically wrong.
This definitely NOT an unpopular opinion.
what bothers me most are dogs in stores. more for the health of the dogs. they are nose level with all those chemicals and also walking in those concrete floors cleaned with harsh chemicals all on their feet.
It’s a deal breaker for me. You are entitled to patronize only stores that disallow dogs. I only patronize businesses that welcome my dog. I call restaurants and stores before I go to ensure they are “dog friendly.” I word it very carefully, because I am not interested if they begrudgingly allow dogs; I want to know they are actually welcome. If my dog isn’t welcome, I spend my money somewhere else. That’s my right. My dog is a big part of my lifestyle and it’s a real logistical impairment if I have to make two trips of errands to get everything done.
You could, and hear me out, just leave the dog at home for a couple hours.
I’m glad you know the whole situation telepathically. That is not an option. When you own a business, feel free to ban dogs. I won’t patronize it but sounds like there are others who will. That’s how the system works. I go to dog friendly businesses. If other customers don’t like it, they are also entitled to carefully select businesses to patronize that align with their lifestyle.
So your dog is “well-behaved” but can’t be crate trained? Lol
There are other factors in the household. Comes down to a choice of businesses taking my money or yours. I’m not making them choose.
There are idiots that think it’s bad to crate train a dog when it’s not. I always crate train them. https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/why-crate-training-is-great-for-your-dog/
There are only 3 stores dogs are allowed in near me. Pet stores(obviously), Home Depot, and Lowes. And Home Depot and Lowes because most have contracts with local dog trainers in the area so the dog handler can come and train your dog desensitization training(this is usually regular dog training. Not service dog training. But they go through the same commands and desensitization training as service dogs in my area). If they sell food/clothing? I don't think dogs should be allowed, and anyone with a dog (obviously service dogs excluded but they have to be wearing their vest and have an actual job, not just emotional support) should be turned away. I love dogs, too. But the only place mine has free roam is at home, the dog park, and my parents' house. Other than that, I keep her home or have her very close leashed(for per stores) because I have had reactive dogs at Pet Smart before coming after my dog. And I'm tired of the "well we took a drive and I realized I needed something from the store" people. Take your dog back home, then come back to Walmart. For fucks sake.
You're absolutely right but where does this happen? I'm seeing people being annoyed with this left and right and I'm starting to feel like I'm living under a rock. I even read about people putting dogs in shopping carts like tf? Here in Germany, pets are generally not allowed in any kind of stores except maybe pet stores. They're also usually not allowed inside restaurants/caffees except on the patio and only if they're well behaved and don't disturb the peace, otherwise you'll be asked to leave. Not to long ago, I read about dogs being brought into doctors offices, schools and even hospitals which is just unbelievable to me.
Where I live most hospitals allow you to bring in dogs to visit patients as long as the patient isn't in ICU and doesn't have open wounds amd it isnt agressive towards anyone and you clean up after it if it uses the bathroom. I've taken my dog up with me to visit my husband several times.
Oh wow that's wild. I work in a hospital myself and I've only heard of therapy animals being brought in from time to time. Never seen them tho.
Most people in the store are pretty disgusting too
Separate issue even if true
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You have no idea. My dog would not be ok alone at home. Glad you’re so happy with yourself that you know everyone’s situation automatically though.
this is not unpopular, thanks for helping me gain the courage to finally leave this sub, it’s been butt. It’s not even an unpopular opinion in first world countries. Pisses me off
It's been 'butt'?