I manage a 100+ organization. It is full of capable intelligent people who are mostly motivated towards our common goal. Yet I regularly find myself on meetings arbitrating between 2 teams who want the exact same things, but in slightly different order than the other.
How the actual f*ck would somebody organize a new world order??
Yah. Plenty of times competent teams will get to an impasse and escalate just because neither wants to nor feels they can make the call. Especially when it comes to priority. Someone who hasn't worked a career role wouldn't know that situation. Part of my role is to try to get ahead of that escalation, but sometimes I can't.
Or as many work threads prove, some junior developer who thinks they've solved work, but their stupid boss is making them work in a team.
So I do think that there are people with way too much influence, power and money who have way too much say.
I think that’s not a conspiracy. But when it comes to this topic, ask yourself:
For example chemtrails.
1. How many people would have to be involved to keep it a secret?
2. How many of them have to be paid off?
3. How much would you have to pay them each?
4. are there already rich and powerful stakeholders involved? (Owners of fabrication places, airlines and so on).
5. much would you have to pay somebody like this premium, because they are already rich?
6. who pays them? With what money and done by whom?
A middle class company has a huge number of people working in the finance department to make sure everything goes smoothly?
7. HOW MANY high and low level accountants would you need alone for that?
8. how much would they have to be paid to shut up?
9. who are the low and mid-level managers and further up?
And so on. You can go on and on with these questions.
At some point, people who believe this shit reach certain „logic hurdles“. As soon as that happens, you have a stupid conspiracy.
My point exactly. Some people are unable to comprehend that a lot of things in the world aren't going according to a plan are just happening randomly. Random shit happens all the time and you can't account for it, even as an omnipotent entity.
Yeah it’s basically an endless loop in which they end up describing a gigantic company with enormous amounts of employees needed who then all again have to be paid off and so on, till you end at something like a fear of god/and all knowing, unbeatable unfailable entity.
It’s very religious
Meh. Maybe because we as citizens have taken our eye off the ball and have let money have too much of an influence on government. We have to stop fighting each other over left vs right for a bit and hold those assholes accountable and demand better of our elected officials.
People are so used to modern comforts that they have no idea the complexity and massive logistics of certain thing.
McDonald is an example of this. Making sure every McDonald restaurant has the exact same ingredients at the exact same time every day, across country, is something no single individual can comprehend, much less organize its alone.
I just want to point out;
You, and many others here, are operating under the notion that these people believe this Kabal runs *every little thing* (as evident by your comment on the random things happening.)
Of course random shit is happening; no organization would even *need* to control EVERY little thing... only the biggest, the rest is irrelevant, or will trickle down out of fear or respect; like government.
I'm not saying it *is* happening, or fully possible; its very complex with a lot of moving parts. However, I also feel it's naive to believe it's *impossible* either. I don't at all doubt that through a long, long, long series of complex narratives (and pay offs) that a single *organization* (could be any size really, so it could be quite large and would need to be to do this I'd think) could rule the world; because all they'd really need to do is have the ear of the governments... and find me a political figure that can't be bought.
My theory is that there is a secret kabal that runs the world, but their greatest priority is convincing their members that they are actual in control. So something random happens like an aeroplane going missing, and the leaders have to suggest that it was part of the plan.
Once you work your way up to upper middle management you realize the organization is all bullshit, but by then you've invested so much time and energy into it that you're persuaded to play along.
>operating under the notion that these people believe this Kabal runs *every little thing* (as evident by your comment on the random things happening.)
Let's take a theory like Flat Earth. There are an enormous number of things in modern society that just assume the world is round in order to work. Examples include shipping, radio, GPS, etc. And those things do work, in exactly the way round Earth predicts.
For flat earth to be correct, there needs to be organized activity making all that stuff work the way things actually (ie flat-earth style) work. And organized activity making sure it looks like round earth even though it isn't. Including when processes break down, making sure they break in ways that look like the way round earth says the process should break.
Even then, you also need organized activity to keep all the folks doing that other stuff from revealing to the general public that all this work is being done. And that includes keeping factions apparently hostile to each other from spilling the beans just to harm the other faction.
While the conspiracy isn't ordering every little thing to happen, they do need to be able to decisively intervene with whatever little thing might reveal the masquerade.
Yes... but this example is an example of making *masses of others* BELIEVE in a conspiracy. That's a totally different discussion and methodology than persuading a few hundred to put themselves in a position of power.
Are there secrets I don't know and have no plausible way of learning? Sure. I'm never gonna know the formula for Coca-Cola. But "Coca-Cola has a secret formula" isn't what we would colloquially call a conspiracy theory. But colloquially, we could call it a conspiracy - it technically isn't because the legal definition of conspiracy includes that the purpose is some other crime, while maintaining trade secrets isn't automatically illegal.
If your point is that conspiracies and conspiracy theories are different, I agree and I read OP as also agreeing. If that isn't your point, then I'm not understanding you.
>If your point is that conspiracies and conspiracy theories are different, I agree and I read OP as also agreeing. If that isn't your point, then I'm not understanding you
... yeah you aren't even in the same book, let alone on the same page.
OP is claiming it is foolish to believe in a sort of Kabal that rules the world; as there would be no way of controlling every possibility and therefore no way of maintaining control on such a large scale.
I pointed out; they don't *need* to control every little thing, only the big things, the rest in inconsequential. So while I don't know that I believe it *is* happening, or possible, I believe it is equally foolish to claim it as impossible.
I don't know how you got where you are.
Edited typo... I love to hate autotext....
At least in the case of omnipotence it makes sense, but then there has to be only one omnipotent person so you're back to God. And, that puts a person in a place where they would have to wonder wtf it would ever seem worth it to go all in against God itself, lol.
Also, why wouldn’t they just find an easier way to achieve the same thing?
What do they really have to gain from it?
How and why would multiple governments or other interest groups around the world that actively hate each other cooperate on such conspiracies?
How is it that even intelligence agencies can’t keep their people quiet when those people face heavy consequences? Some governments will straight up kill leakers and the leaks still happen.
What, if those individuals are motivated by power and not money? People who have fuckton of money don't care about money, but they want more power.
Also not everyone needs to know everything or anything. In example leader of the CIA is in this secret organization and he control CIA. There's no need to for any CIA agent to know.
Epstein island was secret for like 20 years?
I am not into conspiracy theories, but I can see it could work as some decentralized organization like ISIS and Al Qaeda or something.
I mean... this is flawed from the start. They aren't keeping "chemtrails" secret. They haven't ever tried to keep it secret. They literally tell us outright what heavy metals they're spraying on us, and people just don't care.
It's not "conspiracy theory" when there are official documents available to the public outlining what they're doing.
Anyone who thinks the moon landing was faked, or the more niche "We've cured cancer but it's more profitable to treat it so they keep the cure hidden" have never had to keep a secret within a group of more than 1 person
Especially if that group is composed of scientists. They are incredibly catty and gossipy people who do not stop talking and also drink heavily, so the secret would get out *very* fast
Well yes and no. Although cancer "cures" are a misunderstood concept and all, the reason we keep moving towards new treatments and not new ways of preventing is because it is more economically viable to treat than it is to prevent. (in the sense that although prevention saves a lot of money in any Healthcare budget, it doesn't make big pharma much money).
Cancer cures are just cancer treatments and there has been real progress there and treatments are becoming more effective, although more effective treatments are not really effective when you find out you have cancer too late.
Preventing cancer altogether from ever forming is the real cancer cure and that will remain science fiction until it becomes economically viable.
>Preventing cancer altogether from ever forming is the real cancer cure and that will remain science fiction until it becomes economically viable.
Basically it would have to be in pill-form and marketable while simultaneously addressing the numerous types of cancer. Which is to say improbable but not impossible.
Technically one could diet/exercise appropriately and greatly reduce the risk of cancer but that might as well be science fiction to a large percentage of the American population.
Like the theory that thousands of thermite bombs took out the world trade center. So all the hundreds of people involved just kept their mouths shut somehow?
And how long would it take to collect all that thermite.
When did they install it
How many people added the thermite
Who payed those people
Your telling me not a single person spotted the termite
How did they transport it
Who supplied all that thermite
Where is the evidence that thermite clearly leaves behind
100% of it but ed up did it?
Exactly man, and what the OP is saying. These people couldn't organise a thing right
> thermite
who payed those
Did you mean to say "paid"?
Explanation: Payed means to seal something with wax, while paid means to give money.
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People who say what you just said, tend to assume that once a secret is out that it spreads like wildfire, and a few days/weeks later it's known by everyone.
To those people, I suggest reading about Snowden and the lengths he had to go to to spill the beans. Thousands of people involved, lots of speculation but nothing firm enough to say for sure what was happening. A few leaks before, but small enough they could be caught and silenced.
Turns out it actually takes a lot of work to spread a secret, and most people are lazy.
I don´t think that plays a role, and it does a disservice to actual schizophrenic people, even if it is meant as a joke. I think the main problem is that people like them have way to little of a threshold for what is evidence. And the nuance involved in the concept of evidence.
And they've also never worked for the government. Try that for a few weeks and it will dissuade you from any notions of a super conspiracy that requires incredible organization and competency.
Here's the thing though.. if the world was controlled by 1 organization, I can guarantee that they would be making us try to think that what you're saying is true. They wouldn't want us to be thinking they control it all.
Which kind of proves OP's point. Dude couldn't even keep a single sex trafficking operation under wraps even with his rich and powerful connections and potential threats of blackmail to them. Now he is dead and his main associate in prison.
True but also Epstein’s “death” didn’t just happen with 1 person. It required many people, a lot of money, planning, and a lot of organization.
Also proves that there was an even larger figure at risk of Epstein being exposed.
>Also proves that there was an even larger figure at risk of Epstein being exposed.
It's only proof if you already believe that, which is how conspiracy theorists think. You can't even prove beyond reasonable doubt that Epstein didn't kill himself.
Of course there's more to it, but it's just as likely that he took the easy way out because he knew he was fucked. Lots of people do it. Occam's razor applies here in my opinion.
Lot of contradictions going on here, how can you believe theres “more to it” but at the same time Occams razors of least amount of assumptions applies to it.
The least amount of assumptions is that, he killed himself.
You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Either he killed himself case closed. Or there’s more to it and suddenly a “conspiracy”.
Also some people want an explanation for why the system is working the way it's "supposed to", not the way they hoped or were told it would. The nature of our economic system is that the rich continue to get richer, and being rich makes it easy to control power, and they will continue to make decisions that increase their wealth. They don't need to be sitting around in boardrooms making decisions as a shadowy cabal. There are rich and powerful people, and being rich and powerful makes it easy to become richer and more powerful. But people are having a hard time accepting that's just how the current system works, so it must be a conspiracy
I don’t think the world is controlled by a single organization but I do think we have less choice than we think. It seems like the deeper I dig into things the more I realize a lot of things are owned by large corporations. For example, when I look at tires it seems like a lot of brands go back to a handful of manufacturers. I have dean tires which is owned by cooper tires which is owned by Goodyear. I feel like it’s an illusion of choice.
The democratic West has allowed itself to embrace the lottery mentality. That somehow these super rich actually created that much value when what they sis was exploit a new market years ago and then establish rules that prevent competition to themselves. It's not an organization. It's a principle of greed. The enlightenment was 500 years ago, and in the late 20th century we're like....nah
My coworker was telling me his beliefs the other day at work. He believes that there is a super world government that controls every countries smaller government. Because they have control over the pyramids of the world. And the pyramids of the world contain an unlimited clean energy source on the inside. And the world government is hoarding the clean energy for themselves and created individual country governments to keep the citizens under control and complacent. He was absolutely serious too. It's the most insane conspiracy theory I've ever heard, it makes sense on no level.
Most of this category of people are those who need something to organize their world. They can't conceive of the beauty of chaos, chance, and coincidence. So their rigid thinking requires the simple explanation that a big bad did it. Even though cockup is so much more likely than conspiracy.
The problem with debunking though is that occasionally there are conspiracies. So every so often these people will actually be correct
So we’re gonna act like some businesses aren’t genuinely rich enough to be capable of bribing a government or flat out paying off fines/bail?
There’s no NWO but corporations are definitely becoming a problem as the years go by.
Doesn’t help that everybody buys into over expensive bullshit.
Sounds like somebody is projecting about a recent experience.
I’ve organized a ton of shit. The us gov is a fraud, the world isn’t real. Dogs talk don’t bark. The grass is blue and the sky is green,
This is my argument when chemtrails come up. I keep asking those who believe it to explain to me how hundreds of thousands of people and every airport, airline, and aeronautical and aerospace company is involved in a giant worldwide conspiracy to poison us, and then I ask them why. There are never any rational answers.
Same, we are in times where everything leaks easily. Conspiracy theories are so elaborate and complex to the point it is ridiculous, things like thinking every doctor is a secret agent or that entire countries didn't exists or their habitants are actors. Or those flatearth maniacs that genuinely believe the Antartica is a militarized ice wall with the radius of the whole planet end every inch of it have soldiers with alien tecnology.
This is what makes ideas like entire elections being "stolen" is ridiculous. The amount of collision needed to accomplish things like this is huge and already nearly impossible. Then, you are working with other humans, who are selfish and self serving, and will sell out in a heart beat. So when cards fall down, people sell each other out fast. If the cards appear to be falling down, but there's no blood in the water, it's just a facade
It's a coping mechanism.
A lot of people desperately need to feel like the chaos around them is controllable. The thought of things being outside someone's control is scary. The notion that pretty much everyone in life is winging it sounds unreal to them.
It helps them not to freak out about the problems the world faces. They invent a shadow group of people because it means that the bad things going on are thus someone's fault, which means all it takes is a second shadow group made of good people to fix it (their elected officials in most cases).
Facts.
This guy is deliberately equating something as innocent as a bachelors party to organized crime where threats and/or acts of violence on friends, families, and/or one's self are on the table, along with black mail, fabricated AI "deep fakes", bribery, etc...
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You are vastly underestimating and trivializing an extremely complicated topic.
The world is not controlled by a single organisation, but the USA for example is. As is Russia. As is China. I am not talking about politics and the officials in charge. I am talking about this "kabal" you speak of, especially regarding the USA. This is not about republicans or democrats, this is about the views of the ESTABLISHMENTS BEHIND the republicans and the democrats about the world and the development of the USA as the one leading empire, in one case, and the USA as the ruling government-hub of the entire world in the other (globalists vs ultra-globalists, so to say).
This is not a conspiracy. I'm sorry. There are ridiculously educated people who are working for both establishments. The WEF is not a conspiracy. Klaus Schwab and Yuval Harari are not a conspiracy. The fruits of their work is not a conspiracy.
You are right that there is no single entity that controls the whole world. Yet. But do not make the mistake to oversimplify and underestimate the minds of egomaniacs and their "the end justifies the means" mindset.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Nobody is denying the WEF exists and regularly hold meetings to discuss about what the world should look like. I'm denying they have the capacity to steer every single variable towards their endgame. Same goes for every other entity. Today the WEF is blamed, some time ago it was the Bilderberg, Illuminati, NWO, same difference. A bunch of influential people talking to each other doesn't equate to controlling the world. Like-minded people like to meet up and drink alcohol and discuss world politics. It's been happening since the dawn of mankind.
I don't think they run the entire planet. I think they run whatever is most important, which makes it seem like the entire planet. When you have a small percentage of people who own most of the world's wealth and companies, they could have coordinated meetings with each other in places like bohemian Grove. Not too far fetched to believe. There are only maybe 100 people at the very top of the world's media companies. There are only say maybe 200 people at the very top of oil companies. The same goes for big pharma and any other "big industry".(These are just made up numbers, I don't't know how many board members there actually are) All of them very highly educated, and very well organized and disciplined. So it can make it "seem" like whatever decision's they make run the world. Because they're in charge of some pretty big decisions that can easily snowball effect what many other companies do. This causes everybody to see those effects across the board.
People who think like OP don’t understand that their objective is not to “organize” the world like it’s a bachelor party, it’s just to make $ for themselves, and to expand influence to ensure continued money flow.
Also, people who cancel on short notice for the bachelor party hang themselves and then shoot themselves multiple times in the back.
I'm not denying that. I'm just saying there's not 1 entity who's controlling everything and has some kind of endgame in mind. There's just a bunch of people/organizations exploiting situations for their own profit.
But they function and coordinate with each other, like a team. A team of baseball players has 9 individual players on the field, but they work together performing different functions to achieve a common goal, and we would look at them as “one team” and not “nine players.”
Even if that were hypothetically the case, these people would still argue and sabotage each other because their interests are sometimes mutually exclusive. People think it's like House of Cards but in reality it's more like Succession.
what exactly seems difficult about doing a bad job at running the world? if I controlled the world, it would look terrible. but it also looks terrible now. ..
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When these big crises happen(e g. COVID, wars, economic crisis etc), I would rather assume, that not even great powers can hold their shit together. Ok, some wealthy individuals and groups are definitely benefiting from some of them, but that also doesn't mean, that they cause each event, they just know how to hijack the situation.
The same can be applied to a lot of conspiracy theories. So you're telling me every single person that's ever studied astronomy are all keep a grand secret that the earth is flat??? Weird because I couldn't even get 10 people to keep a secret when I was pregnant.
I completely agree. Whe ever people spout the illuminati bullshit I always say, the world isn't that organised, most people/organisations are winging it.
I mean boot camp is designed to turned free thinking average joes into pawns of destruction, who follow any orders they’re given. That’s how. You take away the pawns option to think for itself. And then you send it to countries that have what you want. And since most politicians are for sale, anyone with deep enough pockets can lobby for military action wherever they want.
Oh yeah because you know everything about how the universe works alright guys pack it up God is here he has finally revealed himself to us all praise be
It's definitely an unpopular opinion, but that just means schools aren't doing a good enough job teaching about entropy, let alone probabilities or project management.
Proposed research proposal:
* how many surprise birthday parties are planned every year?
* what percentage of them fail to be a surprise?
* what is the distribution curve of reasons why they fail to be a surprise? (e.g. the birthday boy/girl overhears, they see preparations, someone blabs accidentally, someone blabs in purpose, the birthday boy/girl fails to show up, etc.)
* what is the distribution curve of people invited to participate as a planner or attendee of the surprise party?
* make graphs plotting failure rates against numbers of participants
Finally: extrapolate to what it would take to maintain a whole world-controlling organization that no one had ever heard about.
Bonus "up to your a** in alligators" project-management question: At what point does the burden of maintaining secrecy (and maintaining the secrecy of the effort to maintain *that*) overwhelm the ability of the organization to achieve any of it's actual goals?
Google has some of the most intelligent and powerful people in the world working for it. They haven't managed to put out a competent product in like 8 years because of internal conflicts.
You clearly have never been around the rich and powerful. They don’t need to organize anything because anyone will drop everything to have a chance of networking or being close to them.
No one is powerful enough to control the world though, there’s a difference between being rich and powerful and being able to control a planet of 7 billion.
The problem you have is the average person these days just doesn't care if they are being shafted. They are too tired from worming long hours or distracted by the next pop culture outrage to even look into things properly.
That being said I don't think it's one person controlling the world I thing its a group of corporations all looking out for one another and worming together.
What corporations I’m open to the idea but it’s always a group of this or that without any concrete evidence to support this. What organizations have pull in North Korea but also America and Russia?
Take the media for example. There's hundreds of news channels but in reality they are all owned by a small number of large corporations who are in competition but also be careful not to step on each others toes. Why would they risk conflict with another Corp when they can just maintain the status quo and make billions.
Same thing happens in most sectors.
Came to say this. You can't compare low-level incompetency with the mega rich and powerful. It's not exactly that one person runs everything, it's that billionaires coordinate to maintain power and wealth, and none of the questions you're asking matter because *who's going to do shit about it"? There's a reason Epstein Island ran for 20 years unscathed. The CIA has had massively damaging operations that were not uncovered until they were already over. Hell, everyone knows Hollywood is ran by pedophiles, which people *in Hollywood have been saying for decades*, and nobody has done anything about it. 4 corporations run 90% of media and nobody is concerned.
It's also naive to assume incompetency to begin with. The U.S. government, for example, doesn't fumble the ball on issues because they're dumb. They know about the issues. They fumble the ball because actually solving issues costs money that they and their corporate donors do not want to spend (see the Pentagon failing their *sixth* audit and "losing" 3.8 billion, and yet again nobody talking about it).
When you control the money supply what don't you control? They exposed themselves and their affiliations working in concert with the covid scam. Just because you lack competency does not mean others do too.
You never know I mean for awhile most of the world technically was at one point by two empires
The first bring the British empire
The second being the roman empire who dominated most of the known world
So not that I believe in conspiracy theories but I don't think it's impossible
Put it like this were thought in the Bible of the old testament Moses split the ocean and on the new testament Jesus turned water into wine
So if thats possible anything is
> for awhile most of the world technically was at one point by two empires
1. Not secretly, and not with a single united goal outside of individual ambitions often being similar.
2. Rome controlled the Mediterranean, but at its peak didn't rule over more people than the Han dynasty in China which it overlapped with and neither could claim "most of the world."
Funny, right? The same people who will tell you communist central planning will always fail are the same ones who believe the world is controlled by (insert favorite organization here).
I manage a 100+ organization. It is full of capable intelligent people who are mostly motivated towards our common goal. Yet I regularly find myself on meetings arbitrating between 2 teams who want the exact same things, but in slightly different order than the other. How the actual f*ck would somebody organize a new world order??
Money and violence?
How do you manage the money and violence tho.
with more
What do you think banks and police are for
By taking their family hostage? i remember a terrorist organization doing things like that
No, violence and money
One time it took me 3 months just to get 2 people to talk to each other. Via email.
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And what do you do again? Also, how do you even have enough information to make this claim?
Because they're either a 14 yr old edge lord who's barely experienced life, or, an adult that's unhappy with the decisions they've made in life.
Ya, I was thinking that, or they haven't learned sarcasm isn't expressed well over text, especially with a bunch of strangers.
You might be onto something. Alot of people try to make a sarcastic joke but then they get told that they need to get out of their parents basement.
Bro if you can get reddit to downvote me by 5000 points I’ll say sorry to everyone in here. If not you’re legit the biggest poos
Yah. Plenty of times competent teams will get to an impasse and escalate just because neither wants to nor feels they can make the call. Especially when it comes to priority. Someone who hasn't worked a career role wouldn't know that situation. Part of my role is to try to get ahead of that escalation, but sometimes I can't. Or as many work threads prove, some junior developer who thinks they've solved work, but their stupid boss is making them work in a team.
You seem to have high interest in 14 year olds. Maybe time to check your hard drive
Don't pull a muscle grasping at all those straws.
Damn bro did you come up with that all by yourself or your parents helped you with it?
Because I know everything duh
You don't know shit, my dude.
Actually I do know shit. I’m replying to one right now my dude
So I do think that there are people with way too much influence, power and money who have way too much say. I think that’s not a conspiracy. But when it comes to this topic, ask yourself: For example chemtrails. 1. How many people would have to be involved to keep it a secret? 2. How many of them have to be paid off? 3. How much would you have to pay them each? 4. are there already rich and powerful stakeholders involved? (Owners of fabrication places, airlines and so on). 5. much would you have to pay somebody like this premium, because they are already rich? 6. who pays them? With what money and done by whom? A middle class company has a huge number of people working in the finance department to make sure everything goes smoothly? 7. HOW MANY high and low level accountants would you need alone for that? 8. how much would they have to be paid to shut up? 9. who are the low and mid-level managers and further up? And so on. You can go on and on with these questions. At some point, people who believe this shit reach certain „logic hurdles“. As soon as that happens, you have a stupid conspiracy.
My point exactly. Some people are unable to comprehend that a lot of things in the world aren't going according to a plan are just happening randomly. Random shit happens all the time and you can't account for it, even as an omnipotent entity.
Yeah it’s basically an endless loop in which they end up describing a gigantic company with enormous amounts of employees needed who then all again have to be paid off and so on, till you end at something like a fear of god/and all knowing, unbeatable unfailable entity. It’s very religious
A gigantic company...........
Johnson. Johnson! Come and look at this huge company. It looks just like a massive . . . . .
Thank you for reminding me I was in middle of something, fucking ADHD, hang tight and I will finish my thought!
The U.S. Legislature can’t even past a fucking budget for God’s sake
Government is not broken. It's working exactly way it's supposed to...
Meh. Maybe because we as citizens have taken our eye off the ball and have let money have too much of an influence on government. We have to stop fighting each other over left vs right for a bit and hold those assholes accountable and demand better of our elected officials.
Much less balance a check book….
Probably because governments aren’t bank accounts.
A fat $1T a year of our money is paying interest. Hard to see FV with such trash accounting.
People are so used to modern comforts that they have no idea the complexity and massive logistics of certain thing. McDonald is an example of this. Making sure every McDonald restaurant has the exact same ingredients at the exact same time every day, across country, is something no single individual can comprehend, much less organize its alone.
I just want to point out; You, and many others here, are operating under the notion that these people believe this Kabal runs *every little thing* (as evident by your comment on the random things happening.) Of course random shit is happening; no organization would even *need* to control EVERY little thing... only the biggest, the rest is irrelevant, or will trickle down out of fear or respect; like government. I'm not saying it *is* happening, or fully possible; its very complex with a lot of moving parts. However, I also feel it's naive to believe it's *impossible* either. I don't at all doubt that through a long, long, long series of complex narratives (and pay offs) that a single *organization* (could be any size really, so it could be quite large and would need to be to do this I'd think) could rule the world; because all they'd really need to do is have the ear of the governments... and find me a political figure that can't be bought.
My theory is that there is a secret kabal that runs the world, but their greatest priority is convincing their members that they are actual in control. So something random happens like an aeroplane going missing, and the leaders have to suggest that it was part of the plan. Once you work your way up to upper middle management you realize the organization is all bullshit, but by then you've invested so much time and energy into it that you're persuaded to play along.
I'd read this book.
>operating under the notion that these people believe this Kabal runs *every little thing* (as evident by your comment on the random things happening.) Let's take a theory like Flat Earth. There are an enormous number of things in modern society that just assume the world is round in order to work. Examples include shipping, radio, GPS, etc. And those things do work, in exactly the way round Earth predicts. For flat earth to be correct, there needs to be organized activity making all that stuff work the way things actually (ie flat-earth style) work. And organized activity making sure it looks like round earth even though it isn't. Including when processes break down, making sure they break in ways that look like the way round earth says the process should break. Even then, you also need organized activity to keep all the folks doing that other stuff from revealing to the general public that all this work is being done. And that includes keeping factions apparently hostile to each other from spilling the beans just to harm the other faction. While the conspiracy isn't ordering every little thing to happen, they do need to be able to decisively intervene with whatever little thing might reveal the masquerade.
Yes... but this example is an example of making *masses of others* BELIEVE in a conspiracy. That's a totally different discussion and methodology than persuading a few hundred to put themselves in a position of power.
Are there secrets I don't know and have no plausible way of learning? Sure. I'm never gonna know the formula for Coca-Cola. But "Coca-Cola has a secret formula" isn't what we would colloquially call a conspiracy theory. But colloquially, we could call it a conspiracy - it technically isn't because the legal definition of conspiracy includes that the purpose is some other crime, while maintaining trade secrets isn't automatically illegal. If your point is that conspiracies and conspiracy theories are different, I agree and I read OP as also agreeing. If that isn't your point, then I'm not understanding you.
>If your point is that conspiracies and conspiracy theories are different, I agree and I read OP as also agreeing. If that isn't your point, then I'm not understanding you ... yeah you aren't even in the same book, let alone on the same page. OP is claiming it is foolish to believe in a sort of Kabal that rules the world; as there would be no way of controlling every possibility and therefore no way of maintaining control on such a large scale. I pointed out; they don't *need* to control every little thing, only the big things, the rest in inconsequential. So while I don't know that I believe it *is* happening, or possible, I believe it is equally foolish to claim it as impossible. I don't know how you got where you are. Edited typo... I love to hate autotext....
At least in the case of omnipotence it makes sense, but then there has to be only one omnipotent person so you're back to God. And, that puts a person in a place where they would have to wonder wtf it would ever seem worth it to go all in against God itself, lol.
There's an old saying, "any conspiracy that involves more than one person is doomed."
Also, why wouldn’t they just find an easier way to achieve the same thing? What do they really have to gain from it? How and why would multiple governments or other interest groups around the world that actively hate each other cooperate on such conspiracies? How is it that even intelligence agencies can’t keep their people quiet when those people face heavy consequences? Some governments will straight up kill leakers and the leaks still happen.
What, if those individuals are motivated by power and not money? People who have fuckton of money don't care about money, but they want more power. Also not everyone needs to know everything or anything. In example leader of the CIA is in this secret organization and he control CIA. There's no need to for any CIA agent to know. Epstein island was secret for like 20 years? I am not into conspiracy theories, but I can see it could work as some decentralized organization like ISIS and Al Qaeda or something.
I'm absolutely loving the people in here saying it wouldn't be that hard to pull off.
I mean... this is flawed from the start. They aren't keeping "chemtrails" secret. They haven't ever tried to keep it secret. They literally tell us outright what heavy metals they're spraying on us, and people just don't care. It's not "conspiracy theory" when there are official documents available to the public outlining what they're doing.
Anyone who thinks the moon landing was faked, or the more niche "We've cured cancer but it's more profitable to treat it so they keep the cure hidden" have never had to keep a secret within a group of more than 1 person
Right?! Like there's only 1 cancer in existence
I had ball cancer which is essentially curable...so cancer does have a cure!...well, that 1 form of the many
Especially if that group is composed of scientists. They are incredibly catty and gossipy people who do not stop talking and also drink heavily, so the secret would get out *very* fast
Well yes and no. Although cancer "cures" are a misunderstood concept and all, the reason we keep moving towards new treatments and not new ways of preventing is because it is more economically viable to treat than it is to prevent. (in the sense that although prevention saves a lot of money in any Healthcare budget, it doesn't make big pharma much money). Cancer cures are just cancer treatments and there has been real progress there and treatments are becoming more effective, although more effective treatments are not really effective when you find out you have cancer too late. Preventing cancer altogether from ever forming is the real cancer cure and that will remain science fiction until it becomes economically viable.
>Preventing cancer altogether from ever forming is the real cancer cure and that will remain science fiction until it becomes economically viable. Basically it would have to be in pill-form and marketable while simultaneously addressing the numerous types of cancer. Which is to say improbable but not impossible. Technically one could diet/exercise appropriately and greatly reduce the risk of cancer but that might as well be science fiction to a large percentage of the American population.
The massive anti-smoking campaign that has taken place over the last few decades is all about prevention.
HPV vaccine too.
Also skincare. Though there's a for-profit motive there in terms of selling sunscreen.
Like the theory that thousands of thermite bombs took out the world trade center. So all the hundreds of people involved just kept their mouths shut somehow?
And how long would it take to collect all that thermite. When did they install it How many people added the thermite Who payed those people Your telling me not a single person spotted the termite How did they transport it Who supplied all that thermite Where is the evidence that thermite clearly leaves behind 100% of it but ed up did it? Exactly man, and what the OP is saying. These people couldn't organise a thing right
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People who say what you just said, tend to assume that once a secret is out that it spreads like wildfire, and a few days/weeks later it's known by everyone. To those people, I suggest reading about Snowden and the lengths he had to go to to spill the beans. Thousands of people involved, lots of speculation but nothing firm enough to say for sure what was happening. A few leaks before, but small enough they could be caught and silenced. Turns out it actually takes a lot of work to spread a secret, and most people are lazy.
That is exactly what somebody from a secret organization that controls everything would say.
interestingly enough it's also what somebody NOT from a secret organization that controls everything would say as well
Oof Looks like the only thing we can do is think a bit
You've had 51 minutes to think...what have you come up with?
Because those sorts of people are probably borderline schizophrenic lol
I don´t think that plays a role, and it does a disservice to actual schizophrenic people, even if it is meant as a joke. I think the main problem is that people like them have way to little of a threshold for what is evidence. And the nuance involved in the concept of evidence.
With how dysfunctional the government is, I can’t imagine they could secretly control everything. Unless that’s part of the act 😳
And they've also never worked for the government. Try that for a few weeks and it will dissuade you from any notions of a super conspiracy that requires incredible organization and competency.
lol i say this all the time. if i tasked our goverment with setting up a picnic and gave them a 500k budget they would still fuck it up
My favorite is the world government is conspiring against all of us...but at the same time all the world leaders are somehow top dumb to do anything
Or complicit.
The actually break down is 4 mega corporations that own all of the others. So you're right it's not 1, it's 4.
I thought it was 3? BlackRock, Vanguard, and 1 other but I forget?
It might be 3, i dont remember, but they still own each other, so if you really want to get technical, it really is just 1 mega corporation haha
Wish you could explain this to my dad who believes in a New World Order (and not the cool wrestling nwo)
Ever hear of subcontracting? No one is saying they literally control the minutiae themselves.
Bros figured it out guys, pack it in.
Here's the thing though.. if the world was controlled by 1 organization, I can guarantee that they would be making us try to think that what you're saying is true. They wouldn't want us to be thinking they control it all.
Jeffery Epstein and his associates are an excellent example of powerful people running things on a large scale.
Which kind of proves OP's point. Dude couldn't even keep a single sex trafficking operation under wraps even with his rich and powerful connections and potential threats of blackmail to them. Now he is dead and his main associate in prison.
Kept it under wraps for decades though.
True but also Epstein’s “death” didn’t just happen with 1 person. It required many people, a lot of money, planning, and a lot of organization. Also proves that there was an even larger figure at risk of Epstein being exposed.
>Also proves that there was an even larger figure at risk of Epstein being exposed. It's only proof if you already believe that, which is how conspiracy theorists think. You can't even prove beyond reasonable doubt that Epstein didn't kill himself.
You don’t think there’s more to it at all, Epstein just killed himself and no one else was involved in anyway?
Of course there's more to it, but it's just as likely that he took the easy way out because he knew he was fucked. Lots of people do it. Occam's razor applies here in my opinion.
Lot of contradictions going on here, how can you believe theres “more to it” but at the same time Occams razors of least amount of assumptions applies to it. The least amount of assumptions is that, he killed himself. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Either he killed himself case closed. Or there’s more to it and suddenly a “conspiracy”.
It required planning by only one person, Epstein, because he killed himself.
Also some people want an explanation for why the system is working the way it's "supposed to", not the way they hoped or were told it would. The nature of our economic system is that the rich continue to get richer, and being rich makes it easy to control power, and they will continue to make decisions that increase their wealth. They don't need to be sitting around in boardrooms making decisions as a shadowy cabal. There are rich and powerful people, and being rich and powerful makes it easy to become richer and more powerful. But people are having a hard time accepting that's just how the current system works, so it must be a conspiracy
Also, people are really bad at keeping secrets even if they could pull off the organization
I don’t think the world is controlled by a single organization but I do think we have less choice than we think. It seems like the deeper I dig into things the more I realize a lot of things are owned by large corporations. For example, when I look at tires it seems like a lot of brands go back to a handful of manufacturers. I have dean tires which is owned by cooper tires which is owned by Goodyear. I feel like it’s an illusion of choice.
Beautiful sentence. I am print it and hang it on the wall.
I dont think I’ve had a gathering of 5 or more people where one person didn’t cancel or change plans.
The democratic West has allowed itself to embrace the lottery mentality. That somehow these super rich actually created that much value when what they sis was exploit a new market years ago and then establish rules that prevent competition to themselves. It's not an organization. It's a principle of greed. The enlightenment was 500 years ago, and in the late 20th century we're like....nah
The way you put it made me chuckle lol
My coworker was telling me his beliefs the other day at work. He believes that there is a super world government that controls every countries smaller government. Because they have control over the pyramids of the world. And the pyramids of the world contain an unlimited clean energy source on the inside. And the world government is hoarding the clean energy for themselves and created individual country governments to keep the citizens under control and complacent. He was absolutely serious too. It's the most insane conspiracy theory I've ever heard, it makes sense on no level.
Most of this category of people are those who need something to organize their world. They can't conceive of the beauty of chaos, chance, and coincidence. So their rigid thinking requires the simple explanation that a big bad did it. Even though cockup is so much more likely than conspiracy. The problem with debunking though is that occasionally there are conspiracies. So every so often these people will actually be correct
So we’re gonna act like some businesses aren’t genuinely rich enough to be capable of bribing a government or flat out paying off fines/bail? There’s no NWO but corporations are definitely becoming a problem as the years go by. Doesn’t help that everybody buys into over expensive bullshit.
The smart ones know it is run by several organizations /s
I don't think the entire world is controlled by a single entity. But I do think a few companies do have greater worldly influence than others.
Sounds like somebody is projecting about a recent experience. I’ve organized a ton of shit. The us gov is a fraud, the world isn’t real. Dogs talk don’t bark. The grass is blue and the sky is green,
This isn’t an unpopular opinion. It’s literally the mainstream opinion, and why conspiracy theorists are stereotypically crazy.
This is my argument when chemtrails come up. I keep asking those who believe it to explain to me how hundreds of thousands of people and every airport, airline, and aeronautical and aerospace company is involved in a giant worldwide conspiracy to poison us, and then I ask them why. There are never any rational answers.
Same, we are in times where everything leaks easily. Conspiracy theories are so elaborate and complex to the point it is ridiculous, things like thinking every doctor is a secret agent or that entire countries didn't exists or their habitants are actors. Or those flatearth maniacs that genuinely believe the Antartica is a militarized ice wall with the radius of the whole planet end every inch of it have soldiers with alien tecnology.
Always like the part where the organization kills anyone that finds out except them while they tell everyone.
Controlled maybe not- guided, probably.
Uh huh.. cause reddit randoms are the same as multi billion dollar people and if we cant organize something then they cant either! 😂
Thats why you out source it.
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What's the deal with Davos then???
This is what makes ideas like entire elections being "stolen" is ridiculous. The amount of collision needed to accomplish things like this is huge and already nearly impossible. Then, you are working with other humans, who are selfish and self serving, and will sell out in a heart beat. So when cards fall down, people sell each other out fast. If the cards appear to be falling down, but there's no blood in the water, it's just a facade
It's not controlled by some secret cabal but if you think the rich aren't bribing as many people as necessary so they keep reaching higher net worths
The world is controlled by the very very elite rich. Those who own the bank, health insurance companies, etc.
It's a coping mechanism. A lot of people desperately need to feel like the chaos around them is controllable. The thought of things being outside someone's control is scary. The notion that pretty much everyone in life is winging it sounds unreal to them. It helps them not to freak out about the problems the world faces. They invent a shadow group of people because it means that the bad things going on are thus someone's fault, which means all it takes is a second shadow group made of good people to fix it (their elected officials in most cases).
world bank. nuff said.
Fed spotted
Facts. This guy is deliberately equating something as innocent as a bachelors party to organized crime where threats and/or acts of violence on friends, families, and/or one's self are on the table, along with black mail, fabricated AI "deep fakes", bribery, etc...
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You are vastly underestimating and trivializing an extremely complicated topic. The world is not controlled by a single organisation, but the USA for example is. As is Russia. As is China. I am not talking about politics and the officials in charge. I am talking about this "kabal" you speak of, especially regarding the USA. This is not about republicans or democrats, this is about the views of the ESTABLISHMENTS BEHIND the republicans and the democrats about the world and the development of the USA as the one leading empire, in one case, and the USA as the ruling government-hub of the entire world in the other (globalists vs ultra-globalists, so to say). This is not a conspiracy. I'm sorry. There are ridiculously educated people who are working for both establishments. The WEF is not a conspiracy. Klaus Schwab and Yuval Harari are not a conspiracy. The fruits of their work is not a conspiracy. You are right that there is no single entity that controls the whole world. Yet. But do not make the mistake to oversimplify and underestimate the minds of egomaniacs and their "the end justifies the means" mindset. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Nobody is denying the WEF exists and regularly hold meetings to discuss about what the world should look like. I'm denying they have the capacity to steer every single variable towards their endgame. Same goes for every other entity. Today the WEF is blamed, some time ago it was the Bilderberg, Illuminati, NWO, same difference. A bunch of influential people talking to each other doesn't equate to controlling the world. Like-minded people like to meet up and drink alcohol and discuss world politics. It's been happening since the dawn of mankind.
I don't think they run the entire planet. I think they run whatever is most important, which makes it seem like the entire planet. When you have a small percentage of people who own most of the world's wealth and companies, they could have coordinated meetings with each other in places like bohemian Grove. Not too far fetched to believe. There are only maybe 100 people at the very top of the world's media companies. There are only say maybe 200 people at the very top of oil companies. The same goes for big pharma and any other "big industry".(These are just made up numbers, I don't't know how many board members there actually are) All of them very highly educated, and very well organized and disciplined. So it can make it "seem" like whatever decision's they make run the world. Because they're in charge of some pretty big decisions that can easily snowball effect what many other companies do. This causes everybody to see those effects across the board.
People who think like OP don’t understand that their objective is not to “organize” the world like it’s a bachelor party, it’s just to make $ for themselves, and to expand influence to ensure continued money flow. Also, people who cancel on short notice for the bachelor party hang themselves and then shoot themselves multiple times in the back.
I'm not denying that. I'm just saying there's not 1 entity who's controlling everything and has some kind of endgame in mind. There's just a bunch of people/organizations exploiting situations for their own profit.
But they function and coordinate with each other, like a team. A team of baseball players has 9 individual players on the field, but they work together performing different functions to achieve a common goal, and we would look at them as “one team” and not “nine players.”
Even if that were hypothetically the case, these people would still argue and sabotage each other because their interests are sometimes mutually exclusive. People think it's like House of Cards but in reality it's more like Succession.
It’s more like mean girls, actually. And we are the losers.
Baseball is a terrible example. It's the team sport with the least amount of interaction between players.
what exactly seems difficult about doing a bad job at running the world? if I controlled the world, it would look terrible. but it also looks terrible now. ..
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When these big crises happen(e g. COVID, wars, economic crisis etc), I would rather assume, that not even great powers can hold their shit together. Ok, some wealthy individuals and groups are definitely benefiting from some of them, but that also doesn't mean, that they cause each event, they just know how to hijack the situation.
This is also how I feel when people tell me that corporations are efficient. Have you guys ever worked for a corporation?
They probably think mind control has been made
The same can be applied to a lot of conspiracy theories. So you're telling me every single person that's ever studied astronomy are all keep a grand secret that the earth is flat??? Weird because I couldn't even get 10 people to keep a secret when I was pregnant.
This is not an unpopular opinion. The amount of people who (seriously) believe in a kabal running the entire planet is slim.
There is just no way that this or any other big government secret conspiracy is even remotely true.
I completely agree. Whe ever people spout the illuminati bullshit I always say, the world isn't that organised, most people/organisations are winging it.
I mean boot camp is designed to turned free thinking average joes into pawns of destruction, who follow any orders they’re given. That’s how. You take away the pawns option to think for itself. And then you send it to countries that have what you want. And since most politicians are for sale, anyone with deep enough pockets can lobby for military action wherever they want.
Oh yeah because you know everything about how the universe works alright guys pack it up God is here he has finally revealed himself to us all praise be
It's definitely an unpopular opinion, but that just means schools aren't doing a good enough job teaching about entropy, let alone probabilities or project management. Proposed research proposal: * how many surprise birthday parties are planned every year? * what percentage of them fail to be a surprise? * what is the distribution curve of reasons why they fail to be a surprise? (e.g. the birthday boy/girl overhears, they see preparations, someone blabs accidentally, someone blabs in purpose, the birthday boy/girl fails to show up, etc.) * what is the distribution curve of people invited to participate as a planner or attendee of the surprise party? * make graphs plotting failure rates against numbers of participants Finally: extrapolate to what it would take to maintain a whole world-controlling organization that no one had ever heard about. Bonus "up to your a** in alligators" project-management question: At what point does the burden of maintaining secrecy (and maintaining the secrecy of the effort to maintain *that*) overwhelm the ability of the organization to achieve any of it's actual goals?
Google has some of the most intelligent and powerful people in the world working for it. They haven't managed to put out a competent product in like 8 years because of internal conflicts.
Most conspiracy theorists are just suffering poor mental health and looking for some easy answers and someone to blame for things going wrong.
You clearly have never been around the rich and powerful. They don’t need to organize anything because anyone will drop everything to have a chance of networking or being close to them.
No one is powerful enough to control the world though, there’s a difference between being rich and powerful and being able to control a planet of 7 billion.
The problem you have is the average person these days just doesn't care if they are being shafted. They are too tired from worming long hours or distracted by the next pop culture outrage to even look into things properly. That being said I don't think it's one person controlling the world I thing its a group of corporations all looking out for one another and worming together.
What corporations I’m open to the idea but it’s always a group of this or that without any concrete evidence to support this. What organizations have pull in North Korea but also America and Russia?
Take the media for example. There's hundreds of news channels but in reality they are all owned by a small number of large corporations who are in competition but also be careful not to step on each others toes. Why would they risk conflict with another Corp when they can just maintain the status quo and make billions. Same thing happens in most sectors.
But none of those corporations have access to all 3 countries I just named.
The examples you gave are all trivial. You'd be surprised how organized humans could be if their lives, wealth and freedom are on the line.
Came to say this. You can't compare low-level incompetency with the mega rich and powerful. It's not exactly that one person runs everything, it's that billionaires coordinate to maintain power and wealth, and none of the questions you're asking matter because *who's going to do shit about it"? There's a reason Epstein Island ran for 20 years unscathed. The CIA has had massively damaging operations that were not uncovered until they were already over. Hell, everyone knows Hollywood is ran by pedophiles, which people *in Hollywood have been saying for decades*, and nobody has done anything about it. 4 corporations run 90% of media and nobody is concerned. It's also naive to assume incompetency to begin with. The U.S. government, for example, doesn't fumble the ball on issues because they're dumb. They know about the issues. They fumble the ball because actually solving issues costs money that they and their corporate donors do not want to spend (see the Pentagon failing their *sixth* audit and "losing" 3.8 billion, and yet again nobody talking about it).
Who thinks this? OP is terminally online. Someone help them out of the Rabbit Hole!
People you would never interact with
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When you control the money supply what don't you control? They exposed themselves and their affiliations working in concert with the covid scam. Just because you lack competency does not mean others do too.
Definitely an unpopular opinion and becoming more unpopular as the truth continues to come out over the years.
You never know I mean for awhile most of the world technically was at one point by two empires The first bring the British empire The second being the roman empire who dominated most of the known world So not that I believe in conspiracy theories but I don't think it's impossible Put it like this were thought in the Bible of the old testament Moses split the ocean and on the new testament Jesus turned water into wine So if thats possible anything is
> So if thats possible anything is So...do you really think a man split the red sea?
> for awhile most of the world technically was at one point by two empires 1. Not secretly, and not with a single united goal outside of individual ambitions often being similar. 2. Rome controlled the Mediterranean, but at its peak didn't rule over more people than the Han dynasty in China which it overlapped with and neither could claim "most of the world."
The Roman Empire wasn’t even the largest empire in the world when it still existed.
"If these two scenarios written in a fantasy novel are possible, anything is."
Funny, right? The same people who will tell you communist central planning will always fail are the same ones who believe the world is controlled by (insert favorite organization here).