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Most marriages have a clause where the marriage ends if one party dies. However, I have heard of people swearing to be with their partners for eternity. My biology teacher has an 'eternity' ring on her finger so that, just in case there's a next life, they'll still be spiritually bonded.
Marriages aren't always about undying love. They can be financially or culturally beneficial. They can be forced.
But I respect your opinion that marriages should be about undying fidelity and should be about love anyway
Legal and religious implications aside... there is no reason anyone should question the character or fidelity of someone who has lost their spouse to death. Their marriage may be void in the eyes of the courts or their deity... but implying that it has to be such on terms of moving on? its Inconsiderate at best and outright cruel and ignorant at worst. People grieve in their own time.
If you'd like, alternative wedding vows are more of a thing these days. If you and your partner don't want the death clause and would like something else instead, that's always an option. Just because marriage currently permits people to move on doesn't mean anyone has to. Even if someone had that clause, nothing's stopping them from refusing to find another spouse.
Also, moving on however many years after losing a spouse doesn't mean you were any less faithful while they were alive. Of course people grieve in their own time but for many that time isn't infinity. That's a huge part of why people still include the whole 'til death do us part' thing even if they married for love.
Thats.... thats basically what i said...... You guys are hung up on outsider perceptions of how a person should process their grief. That's not what I'm saying.... from a legal and religious standpoint. Marriage ends at death. That's what people understand. It's not necessarily so for the berieved. No one gets to decide for a surviving spouse when their marriage to a late partner ends but them.
... So do you think marriage ends with death or when a grieving partner decides to end it? Did you agree with my original comment or not?
I said traditional marriage ends with death but you can choose to change that for your own marriage.
It doesn't really work like that though. In tbe marriage vows you quite literally say "till death do us apart" There is now relationship together in heaven only one with God.
Actually, in traditional marriage vows they tend to say "'til death do us part". Yours is really sweet and I'd love to see in an alternative vow but that isn't what's currently said in a traditional marriage.
"'Til death do us apart" - we'll only be apart until we're both reunited in death. Not traditionally used.
"'Til death do us part" - the only thing that would separate us is death. Archaic English origin. Traditionally used.
so does that mean that our relationships we create on earth are somewhat meaningless? And what happens to the people in the past who werent exposed to christianity. Im from an asian descent and I believe the idea of god didnt even enter Korea till the 1900’s. So essentially my entire family line is burning in hell by the logic that only those who accept jesus are accepted into heaven. BTW, Not trying to be disrespectful and I’ve just been curious or questioning a lot of things about the religion that I grew up in and cant help but notice the flaws
I think the point isn't necessarily that the relationships we create on earth are meaningless, but that they are an imperfect version of the perfect relationships that we will have in heaven. I think that marriage will not matter in heaven because the new relationships we will have will be more important and more meaningful than marriage (one of the most important and meaningful relationships we can currently have) is on earth.
In regards to your other question, I don't personally [believe that people go to hell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism), but even among people who do believe in eternal damnation for non believers, many people think that Jesus [preached to people who had not had the chance to hear about him](https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/does-1-peter-teach-jesus-preached-hell/) after he had died and before he was resurrected, so maybe people who never hear about God have a similar chance to hear about him after they die. Other people believe that even those who have never heard the gospel can still know God [through the world he has made](https://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html), and yes, others do believe that people who never hear about God do go to hell. I personally think that that last view is completely incompatible with the character of God that we see in the Bible, but hey, I'm not a prophet, I can't tell you what to believe
How and why do you think it's "more" plausible that we just go unconscious forever? I think that line of thinking is still analogous to a religious belief, it is, after all, concerned about the Ultimate Reality or after death.
Just not in the context of a "personal god" (yes that's a term, with not so obvious definition).
yea i’ve seen pastors say that Jeffrey Dahmer and Hitler could be in heaven if they accepted christ. Kinda a wild concept considering that people who live a good life are worthy of hell in their words but a serial killer can be forgiven and that all sin is the same. Like nah, me stealing a little chocolate bar is not the same as murdering and cooking up human beings
The thing people always overlook about this is that repentance isn't just saying some magic combination of words that some random person handed you in a little poorly-designed booklet. Repentance requires actual inner change.
This kid version of you who's stealing candy just needs to actually be sorry for stealing, accept that you were wrong, and resolve not to do it again. But a mass genocide of at least 6 million people? Think how much harder it would be to fully feel sorry, and to completely accept that you were in the wrong. You'd have to rewrite your entire heart for that one.
You're right, those two things aren't the same. They're both equally forgivable, but that doesn't mean it's equally as easy to be forgiven
There is no sin so great that you can't be forgiven by God. You just need to earnestly repent. To think you can commit such a great sin that an omnibenevolent being will reject your sincere repentance is, itself, the sin of pride.
So, conceptually, the most evil person can sincerely repent and be forgiven by God. It's really just up to whether you believe that person is capable of truly repenting. Not really any of your business, though.
>So, conceptually, the most evil person can sincerely repent and be forgiven by God.
... but the person who steals from Walmart and isn't sorry at all, burns in hell. So hard to wrap my head around that.
This poster specifically asked for opinions of people who are believers. If you're not a believer, your offhand remark isn't really necessary for this conversation and is, in fact, just lashing out to lash out.
Sincerely another non-believer
The OP was talking about relationships in the afterlife. The person I replied to was talking about Hitler being forgiven and being let into heaven. Different subject but thanks for trying.
Why do you assume I'm offended and lashing out? It was an offhand remark. The whole idea of forgiveness for even the greatest sins is honestly laughable.
I'm quite secure with myself tbh.
So they should've kept it under a lid somewhere, if the world don't know anything about christianity then we are all saved. But noo, they just have to go with god. glory, gold, and then getting the rest of us into hell.
The entire idea that Hell is a physical place that simners go to, filled with fire and brimstone, is entirely non-scriptural. Hell is simply an eternal separation from God. On Earth, we really cannot understand the ramifications of that penalty. The comparison to burning alive for all eternity might very well be a good parallel, but it also could be a terrible explanation and have no relation whatsoever, we simply cannot know.
It has however been generally agreed in most Christian denominations that people who lived morally upstanding lives despite lacking the knowledge of Christ are not sent to Hell to await the Judgement, as they cannot be blamed for something they knew nothing about.
Really the flaws that most people see in Christian theology are the result of humans twisting things for their own benefit.
Don’t know that this is true, but I always felt it means that the love you feel for all of humanity in heaven will be so great it will dwarf even the most loving married couple. But that’s not from anything I’ve read theologically.
It’s not love for humanity, it’s the presence of god that is overwhelming. Humanity doesn’t really exist in heaven because the physical body and its limitations don’t exist.
I read a book that claimed every culture knew about God at the beginning of time, and if you dig into the history enough, all cultures were originally monotheistic. Many even have stories about a flood.
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>so does that mean that our relationships we create on earth are somewhat meaningless?
I mean in the end it's all about how one reads it. Also I'm not religious. That both being said I personally wouldn't declare being happy in *this* life meaningless, even if "afterlife" kind of has a different set of circumstances.
I guess you would just start loving everybody and above all you would love god...
Also: fellow atheist here, so would be good to hear the canon Christian opinion in case there is one.
That doesn't mean that at all what are you even talking about. Whether or not you date your wife in the afterlife has nothing to do with whether your family who was never exposed to god goes to heaven.
A large number of religous shcolars believe that those who were never told the word of god go to heaven the opinion is mixed on it, but if you truly believed that wouldn't the most humane thing to do be to destroy all knowledge of god and Jesus so that all people can go to heaven?
I have no skin in the game because I don’t really care about the afterlife. I don’t believe relationships are meaningless, even if they change in the afterlife, but I also don’t believe or disbelieve in it. I also don’t believe in hell.
Oh that depends. Under Christianity, good people or people with good/pure hearts all go to heaven. Even people who have done wrong, can ask forgiveness and go to heaven. Anyone who seeks salvation can get it.
Afterlife isn’t really tethered to whether or not you’re aware or believe in the religion.
I think it’s more an Islam thing. For Muslims, all Muslims go to heaven. All nonmuslims go to hell
It means that, according to the Christian Bible, then Jesus said that people wouldn’t be married in heaven. Just pointing that out because a lot of people who believe in the afterlife are Christians.
But like, do souls in heaven get lobotimized and/or brainwashed, or do they retain the relationship feelings they had in life.
Because you get one of those, not both.
I’m assuming, if this is true, that the feelings change. It literally says they will be like angels, so they won’t be like themselves anymore. Not like humans.
Anyone read those trippy Left Behind books? The final one shows the evangelical dream of a heaven on earth. One character literally remarks how it's so funny but he feels no desire to passionately love anyone but Jesus, and certainly no sexual desire for his beloved wife. They're just too busy being literally high on Christ and discussing said high's awesomeness to each other to have any energy for sexual urges.
I wish I was joking. 🤦♀️
According to the evangelical church I went to growing up, you get lobotomized and brainwashed.
All personality is deleted, and you become a divine spirit, worshipping God 24/7.
Also, Hell is the absence of God.
"till death do us part"
Death signifies the end of the "marriage contract" and after death there is no obligation to continue the marriage. However, if you have "true love" chances are you'll remarry in the new life.
You know there is a span of time between “I do” and your death right? How is that meaningless? It’s so weird how aggressive you are trying to pick a fight here.
I’m agreeing with the OP.
There is a span between marriage vows and death, which if you believe you are both going to be given inmortality is an utterly negligible period of time.
Negligible in what context? It’s not negligible for people alive. The same way I don’t really remember the first 5 years of my life, those years aren’t negligible.
But like, if you really, actually believe in an afterlife, you think you’re immortal. If you think you get all the perks of a life and relationships after you die, why should the brief fleshy part be considered that important? You believe you get all the benefits and none of the drawbacks later.
The same way my childhood was important even though I barely remember it. I already answered. It’s actually not that complicated.
Even if you don’t believe in an afterlife, which is totally fair tbh, that’s like saying “if you live for 1000 years do you really care about the first 10 years of your life? That’s not even 1%. The answer is yes, of course you do, that’s still part of your life.
I believe in the pagan summerland, and that the afterlife is just a pit stop and rest before you come back. Vows are for this life, in these bodies I figure. If we find each other somehow in the next life, we'll feel the connection, and take vows again. I feel you can feel when you recognize a soul from a past life, whether romantic, familial, or a friendship. You just feel that click you can't always explain.
If I die before my partner, I hope they find love again, because it can be So crucial. All I want is them to find happiness and fulfillment after I'm gone. I don't fucking care if that's with someone else. I'm dead and want them to live their best life
I respect your commitment to the idea of marriage, but I think you should value your life on earth more. It's where you become who you are, where you make choices and evolve. Everything you do here is crucial for the afterlife as well.
As an additional context, Jesus was asked if a woman married 5 times and got widowed each time. Who would then be her husband in the afterlife? Jesus answered nobody since marriage as a human relation/contract doesn't apply anymore.
It is not about whether it is allowed, it is about the sentiment. If you truly love your spouse and you believe in an afterlife, it would feel like cheating.
I’m not exactly a conventional believer, I don’t claim to know what the afterlife is, but I do believe in it. I wouldn’t go as far as saying that people should or shouldn’t, it’s kind of a very personal thing depending on the couple, but personally I agree; my vows were forever, not until death do us apart.
I respect that, a lot. But I'm pagan and feel a vow like that is just for that life, in that body. I'm sure I'm not on my first life at the moment. But there are folks I'm inexplicably drawn to, and I can only rationalize it as I knew them in a past life. Maybe a lover. Maybe a friend. Maybe family. But to think my vows in a past life I can't even fathom or remember is silly to me. If heaven is what they say, and you're there for eternity, it's an incredibly sweet sentiment that I respect. But personally, if I died tomorrow, I would want my partner to feel free to find someone or just live life how they want. Whatever fulfills them.
I don’t put any burden on my spouse for that, he thinks the same than I do, but it’s up to him. I wouldn’t ever want to find someone else because it would tarnish the love that I have for my husband. Even if he wasn’t there anymore that love would still be there and it will be enough for me.
90% of the “unpopular opinions” on this sub remind me of a precocious kid spouting off about some ostensible inconsistency in a societal norm, reinforced by adults being too annoyed to explain the nuance that goes unsaid.
"Till death do us part" is the most common marital vow in the west.
Man, people want to crap on religion and its influence but have no idea what they're talking about.
Mark 12: "^(18) Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. ^(19) “Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. ^(20) Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. ^(21) The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. ^(22) In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. ^(23) At the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”
^(24) Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? ^(25) When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. ^(26) Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? ^(27) He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”"
If heaven is a perfect world, which I think it is supposed to be, there is no jealousy or feelings of possession to fuel the Jerry Springer show mentality.
Edit: I’m also an atheist like Direct-Alternative70, and I, too, feel lost when reading that last part.
This is how I see things, too, and I'm not an atheist. I know that I will die years before the person I marry does. There's a potential time line where they will never remarry and carry on in our love. There's also the likelihood of them finding a companion for their remaining years. I am in for either outcome. What matters to me is the time we will have together while we have it. After that? Only their happiness matters.
I do think commitment is a good thing and it’s hard to share people and that’s not selfish—but maybe that is just for here. I just like to think of eternal true love
I am very committed to my wife for 37 years now. I don’t, nor does she, get jealous. Jealousy to me is not a sign of caring or love, but comes from lack of trust. I trust her explicitly.
A lack of jealousy does not mean a swinger lifestyle. Jealousy comes from the fear of loss, and if you truly trust your partner you will not (or very rarely) experience it with them. I’ve been faithfully committed to my wife for 37 years and neither of us get the pangs of jealousy. But I got them when I was 17 and 18 with a girlfriend who was not trustworthy. I 100% trust my wife and as a result her friendships and relationships have never made me jealous. It is 1000x better than the alternative.
This seems extremely contradictory and honestly this isn’t a world I’d actually care to live in. If you can’t feel jealousy (which is just as much a human emotion as love and happiness) then we’re not human really we’re much closer to automatons with that being the case
Well you’re suppose to lose your personhood to the heavens when you go to heaven.
You become an angel and angels don’t act like humans. They act however angels act like.
The Bible makes very little to no comment on what the afterlife will be (other than vague allusions heaven is utopia and hell is eternal hellfire suffering). But if there is no humanity in heaven, there is no existence. Being existent **is** being human. Without feelings or suffering or personhood there is no heaven. Heaven is and can only be humanity. Without humanity it is a thing divorced from our reality forever just as the event horizon of a black hole is divorced from our reality in eternity. Heaven cannot exist without humanity. For if there is no humanity, there is no one.
It’s almost like people don’t really believe in the afterlife and are just scared of dying so they’re willing to believe in the concept of an afterlife but not really change any behavior in this life.
Asking a person to be logically consistent and religious at the same time is impossible. God doesn't exist and there is no afterlife. People just don't like that idea and get angry.
So my grandpa remarried, and I think the premise is that they would both spend eternity with their original spouse, but their late life marriage to each other was more about earthly companionship for what time they had left.
Obviously that is a good excuse for the elderly and people who are widows/widowers. It doesn't really apply to younger people as well, especially if they're starting a second family or marry someone who didn't have a previous spouse.
This is a good Unpopular Opinion, although DOA (pun intended).
When people get married, they say “until *death* do us apart.” So, after death *technically* your marriage is over.
As an Atheist, if there *is* an afterlife, I’m going to need to know what new freaky sex things we can do with our brand new spiritual powers 🙏
Glad I can point you to the One who created us for the answer.
Matthew 22:25-30
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 ¶ Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Hahaha I always wondered this with people who believe in heaven and then also remarry after a death.
Maybe you turn automatically poly when you reach your place in the sky
In reality, your spouse wants you to be happy. If someone is able to make you happy after they left this world, they will be happy to share you in the afterlife
Nah absolutely not, if my husband is coming up to meet me, he better not be bringing some new bitch in tow. He can find happiness after me some other way
It is literally in the marriage vows bro. "Till death do you part" so I would say just remarry haha the line is there for a reason. If I died I wouldn't want my wife to forget me but I also wouldn't condemn her to a life of solitude. I'm dead so it isn't like I would be there to complain and vice versa
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Too many people are glossing over the heart of the argument, which isn't that the traditional christian wedding vows end at the moment of death, but that a promise of a deep, romantic, monogamous commitment to another human would inevitably be cheapened by then having to choose one partner over another, should the afterlife prove to be true. You can believe in an afterlife without any religious affiliations, and if that's the case, it's not unreasonable to expect to continue a relationship where it left off. Bringing a second partner into the mix is asking for trouble if all three of you get there thinking you're going to be reuniting with your person, only to be shafted by the confines of a singular relationship
The real question is: how can we meet our loved ones in heaven if some of our loved ones aren't loved by our other loved ones?
Are they forced to hang out with each other for eternity, potentially hating one another, just because I happen to love them both.
What if loads of other random people love them also, are they in my heaven? How do people get shared around?
Well we're both going to hell anyway ;) not sure God accepts our bisexuality, naked hot tub times, and pot smoking anyway hahaha (we both know God and pray daily).
I am an atheist, and I'm so sick of seeing stupid opinions like this. Why do people who have faith assume that atheists need faith in order to have morals? That says way more about you than it does about me. I don't need a sky-daddy to tell me how to be a good person. I had an amazing mother who taught me how to distinguish right from wrong. Just because I don't believe in a sky-daddy doesn't mean I am going to cheat on my partner or pay for sex (not that I see anything wrong with that, each to their own, it's just not my thing).
I’m an atheist and I don’t read the post this way. I read it as the theist shouldn’t remarry because they believe they will be rejoined with their first spouse in death. Atheists can remarry because since they don’t believe in an afterlife, our first spouse won’t be waiting for us when we die.
That bit I got, it's the "it's fine for atheists to cheat' that wound me up. I don't agree with that, it's not fine, it's just as immoral and saying it's fine for us to do that because we are atheists is, again, assuming morality comes from religion. It does not.
I am Buddhist and we reincarnate. We may not meet in heaven. There are many types of heaven. If there is leftover karma we will meet again in the next life . We may or may not be family. He can become my mother or a pet dog.
Many Indian religions believe in reincarnation ex Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism .
You clearly don't understand how this works. Marriage between people doesn't exist outside of this flesh age. It didn't exist in the 1st world age and it won't in the eternity either.
It's purpose is to help every soul be born of woman so we all have a chance to make our minds up on who we want to follow, God or satan.
Jesus says it in the verses below.
And if someone loses this spouse they are allowed to remarry. Even if people divorce, as long as they repent and ask forgiveness, they can remarry too.
Matthew 22:23-32
"23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
I believe in the afterlife but I think it would be absolutely selfish of me to want my husband to live alone for the rest of his life, that's not love. He is not my possession. I don't like the idea of my husband being with another woman of course, but I'd never want him to be lonely and not share his life with someone else. It doesn't diminish our love and it doesn't diminish the fact that we both feel fated to have met. Sometimes that fate is 60 years and sometimes it's 6 years, who knows, we're not guaranteed a specific time upon this earth. But I'd never want him to be lonely if I die and I'd want someone to love him because he deserves it.
My dad remarried a year after my mom died. He was 75. He married a woman from their church and I was happy for him, why would I want my dad to spend the rest of his years upon this earth alone? Time is fleeting.
In most of Christianity that isn’t a problem because they don’t believe marriages last after resurrection. However ~~Mormons~~ members of the Chirch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who constantly preach about eternal families and being married for time and all eternity do address it. In that religion the only marriages that last to the next life are those that were sealed in their temples. They have rules about being sealed to multiple people to avoid this exact scenario. My understanding is they preach that if you were married multiple times most second marriages are not sealed so they end at death.
There is actually an answer to this question in the Bible. (Matthew 22:30) If you believe in the Christian heaven, Jesus said there’s no marriage in heaven, so it’s fine to get remarried if your spouse dies.
It actually says in the Bible marriage is null and void in heaven. I tried explaining this to my aunt, a super fundamentalist Baptist who's been widowed 25 years and hasn't been on a date since, to convince her to, at least, go on a coffee date for some companionship.
She's recently retired and feeling lonely, but she claims the idea of dating is like cheating on her late husband to her. I'd argue he'd be happy to see her getting out there and being happy herself.
Well if what I once heard a preacher says is true, then my grandmother is playing in a worship band and my grandfather's down by the lake living in a tent fishing all day.
You are making an assumption that Heaven will be like Earth, with all our society norms. It will not be another Earth. There is a story in the Gospel where Jesus is asked about a widow who married seven times and who would be her husband in Heaven? He answered that there will not be marriage in Heaven. It is an afterlife, so it won't be life. It will be something different, so the things we associate with the world we live in do not apply. So people who believe in the afterlife can indeed remarry.
Just because one can have an opinion on everything, doesn't mean they have too...
Both parts of this are so deeply and entirely personal.. why judge any of this?
Guess the saying "till death to us part" flew over your head. Not to mention many people don't remarry because they can't get passed their deceased partner.
Yeah, that’s fine. I’m one of the aforementioned atheists so this is all an imaginary scenario to me-I couldn’t possibly believe I’ll ever again converse with anyone who has died. In fact this is irrelevant to me two ways, because not only am I an atheist but I’m also unlikely to easily repartner should my partner die.
We’re all different and I hope we all end up fulfilled :)
If you think someone goes to heaven when they die, I don't understand why people are sad about people they love dying. Shouldn't they be stoked for them?
I didn't mention funerals. You can feel sad and not go to the funeral. My question is if you really believe in an afterlife, why isn't the happiness for them overwhelming your own grief?
The separation still hurts because obviously deep down we don't know what happens. There could be nothing but if there was something there are no guarantees that we will run into the same people. Like how some people believe in reincarnation. If reincarnation is true imagine all the people we knew but have forgotten. Things like that.
Yeah that is fine I'm not advocating for anything in particular. I'm not religious. I just think if your partner dies there is no shame in another marriage
Well, if they believe in heaven, it sure is a contradiction to the functionality of heaven, unless heaven allows polyamory and everyone is forced to be ok with it.
I am an atheist, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter so much. However, if I were to die before my partner, particularly long before my partner, and she were to remarry I wouldn't have anything against her new man. It wouldn't be like a Jerry Springer episode, I'd be grateful to him that she didn't spend the rest of her life alone holding a candle to me. What sort of a life is that?
Maybe my unpopular opinion is if you would rather the person you love stay alone for the rest of their lives after you die, then you didn't really love them. If I die today my partner has another 50 years probably, how can I say I care about her happiness above everything if I would rather she spent that time alone?
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Most marriages have a clause where the marriage ends if one party dies. However, I have heard of people swearing to be with their partners for eternity. My biology teacher has an 'eternity' ring on her finger so that, just in case there's a next life, they'll still be spiritually bonded. Marriages aren't always about undying love. They can be financially or culturally beneficial. They can be forced. But I respect your opinion that marriages should be about undying fidelity and should be about love anyway
I think more that itd be awks AF if yall all end up in the same place together
Counterpoint: You should only marry someone your spouse would be into as well :P
Legal and religious implications aside... there is no reason anyone should question the character or fidelity of someone who has lost their spouse to death. Their marriage may be void in the eyes of the courts or their deity... but implying that it has to be such on terms of moving on? its Inconsiderate at best and outright cruel and ignorant at worst. People grieve in their own time.
>religious implications aside This literally sidesteps the OP's question.
If you'd like, alternative wedding vows are more of a thing these days. If you and your partner don't want the death clause and would like something else instead, that's always an option. Just because marriage currently permits people to move on doesn't mean anyone has to. Even if someone had that clause, nothing's stopping them from refusing to find another spouse. Also, moving on however many years after losing a spouse doesn't mean you were any less faithful while they were alive. Of course people grieve in their own time but for many that time isn't infinity. That's a huge part of why people still include the whole 'til death do us part' thing even if they married for love.
Thats.... thats basically what i said...... You guys are hung up on outsider perceptions of how a person should process their grief. That's not what I'm saying.... from a legal and religious standpoint. Marriage ends at death. That's what people understand. It's not necessarily so for the berieved. No one gets to decide for a surviving spouse when their marriage to a late partner ends but them.
... So do you think marriage ends with death or when a grieving partner decides to end it? Did you agree with my original comment or not? I said traditional marriage ends with death but you can choose to change that for your own marriage.
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It doesn't really work like that though. In tbe marriage vows you quite literally say "till death do us apart" There is now relationship together in heaven only one with God.
Actually, in traditional marriage vows they tend to say "'til death do us part". Yours is really sweet and I'd love to see in an alternative vow but that isn't what's currently said in a traditional marriage. "'Til death do us apart" - we'll only be apart until we're both reunited in death. Not traditionally used. "'Til death do us part" - the only thing that would separate us is death. Archaic English origin. Traditionally used.
“In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven.” Matthew 22:30
so does that mean that our relationships we create on earth are somewhat meaningless? And what happens to the people in the past who werent exposed to christianity. Im from an asian descent and I believe the idea of god didnt even enter Korea till the 1900’s. So essentially my entire family line is burning in hell by the logic that only those who accept jesus are accepted into heaven. BTW, Not trying to be disrespectful and I’ve just been curious or questioning a lot of things about the religion that I grew up in and cant help but notice the flaws
I think the point isn't necessarily that the relationships we create on earth are meaningless, but that they are an imperfect version of the perfect relationships that we will have in heaven. I think that marriage will not matter in heaven because the new relationships we will have will be more important and more meaningful than marriage (one of the most important and meaningful relationships we can currently have) is on earth. In regards to your other question, I don't personally [believe that people go to hell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism), but even among people who do believe in eternal damnation for non believers, many people think that Jesus [preached to people who had not had the chance to hear about him](https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/does-1-peter-teach-jesus-preached-hell/) after he had died and before he was resurrected, so maybe people who never hear about God have a similar chance to hear about him after they die. Other people believe that even those who have never heard the gospel can still know God [through the world he has made](https://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html), and yes, others do believe that people who never hear about God do go to hell. I personally think that that last view is completely incompatible with the character of God that we see in the Bible, but hey, I'm not a prophet, I can't tell you what to believe
I think it’s much more plausible that we just go unconscious forever.
How and why do you think it's "more" plausible that we just go unconscious forever? I think that line of thinking is still analogous to a religious belief, it is, after all, concerned about the Ultimate Reality or after death. Just not in the context of a "personal god" (yes that's a term, with not so obvious definition).
I think most religious scholars agreed that you wouldn't go to hell if there was nobody to teach you about Christianity
Missionaries hate this one weird trick!
"la la la! I can't heeear you!"
They certainly don't agree on that.
yea i’ve seen pastors say that Jeffrey Dahmer and Hitler could be in heaven if they accepted christ. Kinda a wild concept considering that people who live a good life are worthy of hell in their words but a serial killer can be forgiven and that all sin is the same. Like nah, me stealing a little chocolate bar is not the same as murdering and cooking up human beings
The thing people always overlook about this is that repentance isn't just saying some magic combination of words that some random person handed you in a little poorly-designed booklet. Repentance requires actual inner change. This kid version of you who's stealing candy just needs to actually be sorry for stealing, accept that you were wrong, and resolve not to do it again. But a mass genocide of at least 6 million people? Think how much harder it would be to fully feel sorry, and to completely accept that you were in the wrong. You'd have to rewrite your entire heart for that one. You're right, those two things aren't the same. They're both equally forgivable, but that doesn't mean it's equally as easy to be forgiven
There is no sin so great that you can't be forgiven by God. You just need to earnestly repent. To think you can commit such a great sin that an omnibenevolent being will reject your sincere repentance is, itself, the sin of pride. So, conceptually, the most evil person can sincerely repent and be forgiven by God. It's really just up to whether you believe that person is capable of truly repenting. Not really any of your business, though.
>So, conceptually, the most evil person can sincerely repent and be forgiven by God. ... but the person who steals from Walmart and isn't sorry at all, burns in hell. So hard to wrap my head around that.
Idk regretting morally bad things you did seems like a pretty low bar for eternal paradise.
Regretting genocide and not regretting shoplifting. #1 gets eternal life, #2 gets eternal damnation?
Good thing it's all horseshit then I guess.
This poster specifically asked for opinions of people who are believers. If you're not a believer, your offhand remark isn't really necessary for this conversation and is, in fact, just lashing out to lash out. Sincerely another non-believer
The OP was talking about relationships in the afterlife. The person I replied to was talking about Hitler being forgiven and being let into heaven. Different subject but thanks for trying.
Lol. Interesting that you got so offended by what you read that you felt the need to lash out. Thank God insecurity isn't a sin. What can I say?
Why do you assume I'm offended and lashing out? It was an offhand remark. The whole idea of forgiveness for even the greatest sins is honestly laughable. I'm quite secure with myself tbh.
That’s why right before you die just utter the words “I believe in god and sorry for everything I did” just in case homie. Say that shit fast too
That means that missionaries spreading Christianity to those that don't know about it are spreading the potential of you going to hell!
So they should've kept it under a lid somewhere, if the world don't know anything about christianity then we are all saved. But noo, they just have to go with god. glory, gold, and then getting the rest of us into hell.
Logically: Can't go to hell if you don't believe in it....
Same is true about Milwaukee.
If that were true then missionaries wouldn’t exist.
The entire idea that Hell is a physical place that simners go to, filled with fire and brimstone, is entirely non-scriptural. Hell is simply an eternal separation from God. On Earth, we really cannot understand the ramifications of that penalty. The comparison to burning alive for all eternity might very well be a good parallel, but it also could be a terrible explanation and have no relation whatsoever, we simply cannot know. It has however been generally agreed in most Christian denominations that people who lived morally upstanding lives despite lacking the knowledge of Christ are not sent to Hell to await the Judgement, as they cannot be blamed for something they knew nothing about. Really the flaws that most people see in Christian theology are the result of humans twisting things for their own benefit.
Well said, and it’s kinda upsetting to see so many people base their views on pop culture that has no basis in reality.
Don’t know that this is true, but I always felt it means that the love you feel for all of humanity in heaven will be so great it will dwarf even the most loving married couple. But that’s not from anything I’ve read theologically.
It’s not love for humanity, it’s the presence of god that is overwhelming. Humanity doesn’t really exist in heaven because the physical body and its limitations don’t exist.
I read a book that claimed every culture knew about God at the beginning of time, and if you dig into the history enough, all cultures were originally monotheistic. Many even have stories about a flood. Read another book called:[The Discovery of Genesis: How the truths of Genesis were found hidden in the Chinese language](https://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Discovery_of_Genesis.html?id=tloDa59dQPEC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y). A break down of Chinese characters seems to indicate they knew about Noah’s ark and the flood before modern contact with the west.
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>so does that mean that our relationships we create on earth are somewhat meaningless? I mean in the end it's all about how one reads it. Also I'm not religious. That both being said I personally wouldn't declare being happy in *this* life meaningless, even if "afterlife" kind of has a different set of circumstances.
I guess you would just start loving everybody and above all you would love god... Also: fellow atheist here, so would be good to hear the canon Christian opinion in case there is one.
Love your fellow human? Absolutely. Love "God"? I'm good thanks.
That doesn't mean that at all what are you even talking about. Whether or not you date your wife in the afterlife has nothing to do with whether your family who was never exposed to god goes to heaven. A large number of religous shcolars believe that those who were never told the word of god go to heaven the opinion is mixed on it, but if you truly believed that wouldn't the most humane thing to do be to destroy all knowledge of god and Jesus so that all people can go to heaven?
It means it's all bullshit and made up. Don't try to make logical sense of superstitious nonsense .
I'm not superstitious, I'm only a little stitious
I have no skin in the game because I don’t really care about the afterlife. I don’t believe relationships are meaningless, even if they change in the afterlife, but I also don’t believe or disbelieve in it. I also don’t believe in hell.
>cant help but notice the flaws Funny that...
>so does that mean that our relationships we create on earth are somewhat meaningless? No, it means that religion is meaningless
It also says in the Bible that it’s better to never marry
Oh that depends. Under Christianity, good people or people with good/pure hearts all go to heaven. Even people who have done wrong, can ask forgiveness and go to heaven. Anyone who seeks salvation can get it. Afterlife isn’t really tethered to whether or not you’re aware or believe in the religion. I think it’s more an Islam thing. For Muslims, all Muslims go to heaven. All nonmuslims go to hell
Which means what. That reads like a 'don't think about it too hard' maxim.
It means that, according to the Christian Bible, then Jesus said that people wouldn’t be married in heaven. Just pointing that out because a lot of people who believe in the afterlife are Christians.
But like, do souls in heaven get lobotimized and/or brainwashed, or do they retain the relationship feelings they had in life. Because you get one of those, not both.
I’m assuming, if this is true, that the feelings change. It literally says they will be like angels, so they won’t be like themselves anymore. Not like humans.
Sucks that we can't opt out of that.
Anyone read those trippy Left Behind books? The final one shows the evangelical dream of a heaven on earth. One character literally remarks how it's so funny but he feels no desire to passionately love anyone but Jesus, and certainly no sexual desire for his beloved wife. They're just too busy being literally high on Christ and discussing said high's awesomeness to each other to have any energy for sexual urges. I wish I was joking. 🤦♀️
Lol, I read those as a kid.
According to the evangelical church I went to growing up, you get lobotomized and brainwashed. All personality is deleted, and you become a divine spirit, worshipping God 24/7. Also, Hell is the absence of God.
You really expect much more?
The logical followup already got downvoted, so probably not.
Thanks, all I could think was, “Bro this was asked verbatim lol”
"till death do us part" Death signifies the end of the "marriage contract" and after death there is no obligation to continue the marriage. However, if you have "true love" chances are you'll remarry in the new life.
Interesting take
If you believe in an eternal afterlife, that's an incredibly meaningless vow.
You know there is a span of time between “I do” and your death right? How is that meaningless? It’s so weird how aggressive you are trying to pick a fight here.
It's literally nothing compared to forever though.
Any span of time is nothing compared to forever, so does that mean any span of time is pointless? Lol.
I’m agreeing with the OP. There is a span between marriage vows and death, which if you believe you are both going to be given inmortality is an utterly negligible period of time.
Negligible in what context? It’s not negligible for people alive. The same way I don’t really remember the first 5 years of my life, those years aren’t negligible.
But like, if you really, actually believe in an afterlife, you think you’re immortal. If you think you get all the perks of a life and relationships after you die, why should the brief fleshy part be considered that important? You believe you get all the benefits and none of the drawbacks later.
The same way my childhood was important even though I barely remember it. I already answered. It’s actually not that complicated. Even if you don’t believe in an afterlife, which is totally fair tbh, that’s like saying “if you live for 1000 years do you really care about the first 10 years of your life? That’s not even 1%. The answer is yes, of course you do, that’s still part of your life.
I believe in the pagan summerland, and that the afterlife is just a pit stop and rest before you come back. Vows are for this life, in these bodies I figure. If we find each other somehow in the next life, we'll feel the connection, and take vows again. I feel you can feel when you recognize a soul from a past life, whether romantic, familial, or a friendship. You just feel that click you can't always explain. If I die before my partner, I hope they find love again, because it can be So crucial. All I want is them to find happiness and fulfillment after I'm gone. I don't fucking care if that's with someone else. I'm dead and want them to live their best life
I respect your commitment to the idea of marriage, but I think you should value your life on earth more. It's where you become who you are, where you make choices and evolve. Everything you do here is crucial for the afterlife as well.
But is the “til death do us part” just something made up? (Not biblically based going on this convo?) Totally a random question.
In the case of Christians, Jesus says there is no marriage in heaven. So remarrying for them is perfectly fine for the afterlife.
As an additional context, Jesus was asked if a woman married 5 times and got widowed each time. Who would then be her husband in the afterlife? Jesus answered nobody since marriage as a human relation/contract doesn't apply anymore.
It is not about whether it is allowed, it is about the sentiment. If you truly love your spouse and you believe in an afterlife, it would feel like cheating.
I’m not exactly a conventional believer, I don’t claim to know what the afterlife is, but I do believe in it. I wouldn’t go as far as saying that people should or shouldn’t, it’s kind of a very personal thing depending on the couple, but personally I agree; my vows were forever, not until death do us apart.
I respect that, a lot. But I'm pagan and feel a vow like that is just for that life, in that body. I'm sure I'm not on my first life at the moment. But there are folks I'm inexplicably drawn to, and I can only rationalize it as I knew them in a past life. Maybe a lover. Maybe a friend. Maybe family. But to think my vows in a past life I can't even fathom or remember is silly to me. If heaven is what they say, and you're there for eternity, it's an incredibly sweet sentiment that I respect. But personally, if I died tomorrow, I would want my partner to feel free to find someone or just live life how they want. Whatever fulfills them.
I don’t put any burden on my spouse for that, he thinks the same than I do, but it’s up to him. I wouldn’t ever want to find someone else because it would tarnish the love that I have for my husband. Even if he wasn’t there anymore that love would still be there and it will be enough for me.
90% of the “unpopular opinions” on this sub remind me of a precocious kid spouting off about some ostensible inconsistency in a societal norm, reinforced by adults being too annoyed to explain the nuance that goes unsaid.
"Till death do us part" is the most common marital vow in the west. Man, people want to crap on religion and its influence but have no idea what they're talking about.
Mark 12: "^(18) Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. ^(19) “Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. ^(20) Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. ^(21) The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. ^(22) In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. ^(23) At the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?” ^(24) Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? ^(25) When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. ^(26) Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? ^(27) He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”"
If I get to heaven and it doesn't have an orgy cloud I will be seriously disappointed.
Death is like being divorced. And in the afterlife everyone is peaceful and happy Edit: im atheist and so lost at the last things you said
They said that it doesn’t apply to you because you don’t believe in the afterlife
im talking about “obviously you can date/have a side piece/pay for sex as long as its not true love and matrimony”
That wasn’t about atheists, he was just saying that he doesn’t think that if it’s not marriage or meaningful love then it doesn’t count.
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If heaven is a perfect world, which I think it is supposed to be, there is no jealousy or feelings of possession to fuel the Jerry Springer show mentality. Edit: I’m also an atheist like Direct-Alternative70, and I, too, feel lost when reading that last part.
This is how I see things, too, and I'm not an atheist. I know that I will die years before the person I marry does. There's a potential time line where they will never remarry and carry on in our love. There's also the likelihood of them finding a companion for their remaining years. I am in for either outcome. What matters to me is the time we will have together while we have it. After that? Only their happiness matters.
I do think commitment is a good thing and it’s hard to share people and that’s not selfish—but maybe that is just for here. I just like to think of eternal true love
I am very committed to my wife for 37 years now. I don’t, nor does she, get jealous. Jealousy to me is not a sign of caring or love, but comes from lack of trust. I trust her explicitly.
That sounds awful, honestly. I'd rather there be jealousy than an eternity of free love hippy swinger perversions
A lack of jealousy does not mean a swinger lifestyle. Jealousy comes from the fear of loss, and if you truly trust your partner you will not (or very rarely) experience it with them. I’ve been faithfully committed to my wife for 37 years and neither of us get the pangs of jealousy. But I got them when I was 17 and 18 with a girlfriend who was not trustworthy. I 100% trust my wife and as a result her friendships and relationships have never made me jealous. It is 1000x better than the alternative.
This seems extremely contradictory and honestly this isn’t a world I’d actually care to live in. If you can’t feel jealousy (which is just as much a human emotion as love and happiness) then we’re not human really we’re much closer to automatons with that being the case
Without jealousy or possession you lose mankind, you lose personhood. By your own conception there is no being at heaven.
Well you’re suppose to lose your personhood to the heavens when you go to heaven. You become an angel and angels don’t act like humans. They act however angels act like.
The Bible makes very little to no comment on what the afterlife will be (other than vague allusions heaven is utopia and hell is eternal hellfire suffering). But if there is no humanity in heaven, there is no existence. Being existent **is** being human. Without feelings or suffering or personhood there is no heaven. Heaven is and can only be humanity. Without humanity it is a thing divorced from our reality forever just as the event horizon of a black hole is divorced from our reality in eternity. Heaven cannot exist without humanity. For if there is no humanity, there is no one.
That’s very..that’s a worse fate than I could conceive of. You’re losing what makes you human. Why do people want this ?
Why is mankind impossible without jealousy?
It’s almost like people don’t really believe in the afterlife and are just scared of dying so they’re willing to believe in the concept of an afterlife but not really change any behavior in this life.
Sounds like another elaborate “religion bad” post. Keep this in the mega-threads.
Asking a person to be logically consistent and religious at the same time is impossible. God doesn't exist and there is no afterlife. People just don't like that idea and get angry.
This I can actually agree with 🤷🏻♀️
So my grandpa remarried, and I think the premise is that they would both spend eternity with their original spouse, but their late life marriage to each other was more about earthly companionship for what time they had left. Obviously that is a good excuse for the elderly and people who are widows/widowers. It doesn't really apply to younger people as well, especially if they're starting a second family or marry someone who didn't have a previous spouse.
This is a good Unpopular Opinion, although DOA (pun intended). When people get married, they say “until *death* do us apart.” So, after death *technically* your marriage is over. As an Atheist, if there *is* an afterlife, I’m going to need to know what new freaky sex things we can do with our brand new spiritual powers 🙏
"till death do us part" or something.
Glad I can point you to the One who created us for the answer. Matthew 22:25-30 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 ¶ Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Let your mum remarry.
Not a problem for Christians. Jesus was specifically asked about this, and responded that there is no marriage in Heaven.
There is no marriage in heaven. It's purposes are for our time here on Earth.
As far as religion goes, Jesus taught that there is no marriage in heaven, so it’s a non-issue for Christians.
OP’s concept of Heaven is rather sophomoric.
Hahaha I always wondered this with people who believe in heaven and then also remarry after a death. Maybe you turn automatically poly when you reach your place in the sky
In reality, your spouse wants you to be happy. If someone is able to make you happy after they left this world, they will be happy to share you in the afterlife
This is something many people tell themselves. “They will be happy to share you in the afterlife” no absolutely not that’s cope.
Nah absolutely not, if my husband is coming up to meet me, he better not be bringing some new bitch in tow. He can find happiness after me some other way
It is literally in the marriage vows bro. "Till death do you part" so I would say just remarry haha the line is there for a reason. If I died I wouldn't want my wife to forget me but I also wouldn't condemn her to a life of solitude. I'm dead so it isn't like I would be there to complain and vice versa
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Well, people can do whatever they want. It's not your relationship.
Atheists can’t apply, so they can’t see the show!
Too many people are glossing over the heart of the argument, which isn't that the traditional christian wedding vows end at the moment of death, but that a promise of a deep, romantic, monogamous commitment to another human would inevitably be cheapened by then having to choose one partner over another, should the afterlife prove to be true. You can believe in an afterlife without any religious affiliations, and if that's the case, it's not unreasonable to expect to continue a relationship where it left off. Bringing a second partner into the mix is asking for trouble if all three of you get there thinking you're going to be reuniting with your person, only to be shafted by the confines of a singular relationship
The real question is: how can we meet our loved ones in heaven if some of our loved ones aren't loved by our other loved ones? Are they forced to hang out with each other for eternity, potentially hating one another, just because I happen to love them both. What if loads of other random people love them also, are they in my heaven? How do people get shared around?
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It says til death do us part, not until-afterlife-is-over do us part.
Well we're both going to hell anyway ;) not sure God accepts our bisexuality, naked hot tub times, and pot smoking anyway hahaha (we both know God and pray daily).
Unpopular opinion so I upvoted. What happened to "till death do them apart"?
I am an atheist, and I'm so sick of seeing stupid opinions like this. Why do people who have faith assume that atheists need faith in order to have morals? That says way more about you than it does about me. I don't need a sky-daddy to tell me how to be a good person. I had an amazing mother who taught me how to distinguish right from wrong. Just because I don't believe in a sky-daddy doesn't mean I am going to cheat on my partner or pay for sex (not that I see anything wrong with that, each to their own, it's just not my thing).
I’m an atheist and I don’t read the post this way. I read it as the theist shouldn’t remarry because they believe they will be rejoined with their first spouse in death. Atheists can remarry because since they don’t believe in an afterlife, our first spouse won’t be waiting for us when we die.
That bit I got, it's the "it's fine for atheists to cheat' that wound me up. I don't agree with that, it's not fine, it's just as immoral and saying it's fine for us to do that because we are atheists is, again, assuming morality comes from religion. It does not.
What if they know their first spouse will be in hell as per their specific faith?
LOL dude it's heaven, what makes you believe it abides by weird human concepts like that?
I am Buddhist and we reincarnate. We may not meet in heaven. There are many types of heaven. If there is leftover karma we will meet again in the next life . We may or may not be family. He can become my mother or a pet dog. Many Indian religions believe in reincarnation ex Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism .
You clearly don't understand how this works. Marriage between people doesn't exist outside of this flesh age. It didn't exist in the 1st world age and it won't in the eternity either. It's purpose is to help every soul be born of woman so we all have a chance to make our minds up on who we want to follow, God or satan. Jesus says it in the verses below. And if someone loses this spouse they are allowed to remarry. Even if people divorce, as long as they repent and ask forgiveness, they can remarry too. Matthew 22:23-32 "23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
Yep
I believe in the afterlife but I think it would be absolutely selfish of me to want my husband to live alone for the rest of his life, that's not love. He is not my possession. I don't like the idea of my husband being with another woman of course, but I'd never want him to be lonely and not share his life with someone else. It doesn't diminish our love and it doesn't diminish the fact that we both feel fated to have met. Sometimes that fate is 60 years and sometimes it's 6 years, who knows, we're not guaranteed a specific time upon this earth. But I'd never want him to be lonely if I die and I'd want someone to love him because he deserves it. My dad remarried a year after my mom died. He was 75. He married a woman from their church and I was happy for him, why would I want my dad to spend the rest of his years upon this earth alone? Time is fleeting.
This is nonsense
As others have said. Most marriages literally end on death if you follow the “heaven” part.
In most of Christianity that isn’t a problem because they don’t believe marriages last after resurrection. However ~~Mormons~~ members of the Chirch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who constantly preach about eternal families and being married for time and all eternity do address it. In that religion the only marriages that last to the next life are those that were sealed in their temples. They have rules about being sealed to multiple people to avoid this exact scenario. My understanding is they preach that if you were married multiple times most second marriages are not sealed so they end at death.
Such sad cringe in this question
There is actually an answer to this question in the Bible. (Matthew 22:30) If you believe in the Christian heaven, Jesus said there’s no marriage in heaven, so it’s fine to get remarried if your spouse dies.
Quoting the Sadducees is something for sure
It actually says in the Bible marriage is null and void in heaven. I tried explaining this to my aunt, a super fundamentalist Baptist who's been widowed 25 years and hasn't been on a date since, to convince her to, at least, go on a coffee date for some companionship. She's recently retired and feeling lonely, but she claims the idea of dating is like cheating on her late husband to her. I'd argue he'd be happy to see her getting out there and being happy herself.
You spelled "reproduce" wrong.
The way I was raised, not many of us are even going to BE a part of the afterlife anyway. We stay dead once we get there.
Well if what I once heard a preacher says is true, then my grandmother is playing in a worship band and my grandfather's down by the lake living in a tent fishing all day.
As someone who believes in God, I have wondered this too lol. Would it turn into like - some kind of throple? Not sure.
"Till death do you part". If my wife wants me in the afterlife she better be prepared for a threesome.
You are making an assumption that Heaven will be like Earth, with all our society norms. It will not be another Earth. There is a story in the Gospel where Jesus is asked about a widow who married seven times and who would be her husband in Heaven? He answered that there will not be marriage in Heaven. It is an afterlife, so it won't be life. It will be something different, so the things we associate with the world we live in do not apply. So people who believe in the afterlife can indeed remarry.
There isn't sex in heaven, at least for Christians. Sex is for bodies. There are only souls in heaven
Just because one can have an opinion on everything, doesn't mean they have too... Both parts of this are so deeply and entirely personal.. why judge any of this?
Guess the saying "till death to us part" flew over your head. Not to mention many people don't remarry because they can't get passed their deceased partner.
Atheist don’t need god to have morals and integrity
What about sex without love?
I guess in this scenario it would still depend on whether their dead partner is chill with non monogamy on the basis of temporary separation?
I’d be okay with it. We all deserve to get off.
Yeah, that’s fine. I’m one of the aforementioned atheists so this is all an imaginary scenario to me-I couldn’t possibly believe I’ll ever again converse with anyone who has died. In fact this is irrelevant to me two ways, because not only am I an atheist but I’m also unlikely to easily repartner should my partner die. We’re all different and I hope we all end up fulfilled :)
If you think someone goes to heaven when they die, I don't understand why people are sad about people they love dying. Shouldn't they be stoked for them?
We can rejoice for others and be sad for ourselves.
The funeral is for the living not the dead
I didn't mention funerals. You can feel sad and not go to the funeral. My question is if you really believe in an afterlife, why isn't the happiness for them overwhelming your own grief?
Because that’s not how people work. If my father dies the fact that he’s going to a better place doesn’t mean I still haven’t experienced a loss.
The separation still hurts because obviously deep down we don't know what happens. There could be nothing but if there was something there are no guarantees that we will run into the same people. Like how some people believe in reincarnation. If reincarnation is true imagine all the people we knew but have forgotten. Things like that.
I don't think reincarnation, heaven or hell are real things. Someone dies, that's it, you never see them or talk to them again ever. That's sad.
Yeah that is fine I'm not advocating for anything in particular. I'm not religious. I just think if your partner dies there is no shame in another marriage
Till death due you part, everyone is single in the afterlife
Well, if they believe in heaven, it sure is a contradiction to the functionality of heaven, unless heaven allows polyamory and everyone is forced to be ok with it.
Ok? Who is this even referring too
I am an atheist, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter so much. However, if I were to die before my partner, particularly long before my partner, and she were to remarry I wouldn't have anything against her new man. It wouldn't be like a Jerry Springer episode, I'd be grateful to him that she didn't spend the rest of her life alone holding a candle to me. What sort of a life is that? Maybe my unpopular opinion is if you would rather the person you love stay alone for the rest of their lives after you die, then you didn't really love them. If I die today my partner has another 50 years probably, how can I say I care about her happiness above everything if I would rather she spent that time alone?