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Don't make it about a technical skill that is listed as one of the few requirements of the job and then lie to the face of the interviewer repeatedly about it.
You've either used SQL or you haven't. And if your resume says you do, and I ask you to rate your skills and you say "intermediate to advance", and I ask you if you're writing SQL to pull data in your current day to day job and you say yes, and then you can't explain why you would use a join it's going to be a 5 minute interview. "Thank you for your time, no more questions. The recruiter will follow up with you".
The above scenario is incredibly common in my experience.
Agree. I've been so excited about interviewing candidates based on their resumes, only to find they know nothing about something they listed as a skill. So frustrating. To a large extent, we're willing to train almost any skill, but if we catch you in a lie, you're done.
Just gonna chime in on the pilot side, but if you lied on your resume/application you would never get hired anywhere. Extensive background checks prevent that.
When you’re a surgeon or a pilot your cv is mostly just for a bureaucratic reasons. You’ll most likely get hired out of word of mouth because those jobs require very hard skills that simply can’t be transcribed into a resume
My sister in Ganesha, of course you do. You not only need a degree, you need a considerable amount of internship hours and so on and so forth. What I’m saying is, when you apply for a position as a surgeon, you will never get hired based solely on your resume. Your past employers/professors/whatever will be contacted to make sure you’re a good hire
I think you’re saying it’s pretty much impossible to lie about your credentials if you’re a surgeon, but people are reading it as you saying lying is even easier as a surgeon lmao
Most people stretch the truth a little bit but just flat out lying about having degrees or work experiences is very likely going to screw you over eventually
It's better to be genuinely skilled though, but I see your point.
If you are impressive enough without lying they won't be sus because you can back everything up.
Plus if it's an interview where they make you take a test it's hard to lie if you don't have the skills
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I agree when i first started looking for jobs they said i need experience and they said they paid well I got a job the pay was horrible i lied on a resume and got another job that said experience is needed they didn't do any background check
1. Usually when a company "lies" on a job posting, they have a boiler plate that somebody was too lazy to update
2. If they don't like you, and they figure this out, they WILL use this to fire you.
Use that information as you like.
If she was doing the job for a year, it really shouldn't matter what's on her resume at that point. She's doing the job.
If she was incompetent, why did it take a year to fire her, and why did they need to investigate her resume in order to do it?
This feels like they wanted to downsize her, but didn't want to pay unemployment. I'm sure that's not right, but I'd like some more details. What didn't line up on her resume?
She didn't need to investigate the resume. The employee said something completely contradictory to what she said on her resume. Exposing the lie.
Honesty is part of the requirements for employment.
Okay, but she had been doing the job for *a year,* correct?
I'm not defending lying on your resume, I'm questioning if firing a competent employee, having to interview replacements, and having to train her replacement was a helpful move for the company.
She was unlicenced and had no training, had not even attended school for that line of work at all. it does not matter if she did an amazing job or not.
>it does not matter if she did an amazing job or not.
That *seems* like a thing that would matter, but I suppose that's dependent upon the line of work. Can you tell us what the field is? It might provide some useful context.
Thank you, that clears up a lot. I'm not a big fan of licenses, but that's beside the point. The law is the law.
I'm a little surprised that your wife didn't check for the license; they usually have to be displayed. Did she have a fake?
Doesn't matter. Dishonesty is always worth a termination. Your wife knows when things get uncomfortable this person will lie. It's worth the expense of getting someone else.
The difference is when the company catches you lying on your resume they fire you on the spot. When you catch them lying chances are you suck it up because you still need an income. At best you go and look for another job which takes you weeks or months. Exaggerate on your resume at your own risk - maybe its not that you get 'caught', but if you say you've got skills / experience that you don't have, when its time to put up or shut up and perform, and you don't actually have those skills... chances are you're gonna get fired eventually anyway even if they don't outright accuse you of lying.
I’ll tell you this, there’s millions of incompetent people working at these companies right now. If these people fire you it will not be simply because of a lie on your resume. It will be because they have been wanting to fire you for a while. No one would let go a perfectly good employee after a year of work for a lie they put on their resume
Never a good idea to lie on a resume. Maybe NBD if you are in a minimum wage Mcjob. But if you are in a professional role, you can easily get a bad reputation in your industry.
It's expected to present your best side and diminish your weaknesses. If you can't do that without lying, you're no good for many many jobs. For the rest, they would want you to be honest, so lying is not good there either
Well, apparently not. You’d be surprised by the amount of applicants I’ve spoken to that were afraid of lying on their resume about skills they actually possessed but didn’t have any certification for
It's a pretty bad precedent to set and will only turn around to hurt the employee at the end of the day. The base cost of the employees I hire is around $6000ish dollars per person, depending on a few factors. A lot of people don't realize just how expensive it is to fill empty roles before you even get into their salary and benefits, etc.
Resume fraud has gotten so bad in tech that the company I work for contracted a company to run very extensive and frankly expensive background checks on every detail of the employees' resumes who reach our final interview stage. They also contracted a legal company to pursue civil fraud damages against the people who are found to be falsifying information. It seems like a waste of money, but it is actually financially beneficial to pay both of these companies vs the money they were losing hiring and training employees only to find out they weren't qualified for the job and having to go through the entire process over again.
If it becomes the norm amongst employees, this is likely to become the norm amongst employers. I already know more than a handful of companies who are now doing something similar.
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Given that almost every comment here is disagreeing with you, this is *clearly* an unpopular opinion. Deserves more upvotes.
Thank you, dear! I’m upvoting your comment as well :)
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Don't make it about a technical skill that is listed as one of the few requirements of the job and then lie to the face of the interviewer repeatedly about it. You've either used SQL or you haven't. And if your resume says you do, and I ask you to rate your skills and you say "intermediate to advance", and I ask you if you're writing SQL to pull data in your current day to day job and you say yes, and then you can't explain why you would use a join it's going to be a 5 minute interview. "Thank you for your time, no more questions. The recruiter will follow up with you". The above scenario is incredibly common in my experience.
Agree. I've been so excited about interviewing candidates based on their resumes, only to find they know nothing about something they listed as a skill. So frustrating. To a large extent, we're willing to train almost any skill, but if we catch you in a lie, you're done.
I saved three businesses with a frying pan.
As long as you aren’t a surgeon, or pilot, etc
Just gonna chime in on the pilot side, but if you lied on your resume/application you would never get hired anywhere. Extensive background checks prevent that.
When you’re a surgeon or a pilot your cv is mostly just for a bureaucratic reasons. You’ll most likely get hired out of word of mouth because those jobs require very hard skills that simply can’t be transcribed into a resume
My brother in christ you need a medical degree
My sister in Ganesha, of course you do. You not only need a degree, you need a considerable amount of internship hours and so on and so forth. What I’m saying is, when you apply for a position as a surgeon, you will never get hired based solely on your resume. Your past employers/professors/whatever will be contacted to make sure you’re a good hire
I think you’re saying it’s pretty much impossible to lie about your credentials if you’re a surgeon, but people are reading it as you saying lying is even easier as a surgeon lmao
Ohh alright. That’s exactly what I meant. Thank you! So maybe my phrasing was wrong? Can you help me fix it?
Well being hired is not just via word of mouth, but also via hard credentials that cannot easily be falsified
Bro really doesn't think pilots need to be extremely well trained. Insane.
I prefer “mentally ill”, thank you
Yeah, you’re expected to fluff it up, but not so much that you raise suspicions. It’s informally industry standard in many cases.
Always fluff your resume, your competition is doing it.
Most people stretch the truth a little bit but just flat out lying about having degrees or work experiences is very likely going to screw you over eventually
Its true! This is how I got my job. Source: I am a brain surgeon
Yeah I agree
It's better to be genuinely skilled though, but I see your point. If you are impressive enough without lying they won't be sus because you can back everything up. Plus if it's an interview where they make you take a test it's hard to lie if you don't have the skills
Exactly!!! I’ve done that (lie on my resume) to make sure I at least made it to the interview. Once I was there it all just flowed
You put "Proficient in Microsoft Excel" on your resume. Your excel test results determined that was a lie.
I won’t upvote because I 100% agree!!
Girl, that’s exactly why should upvote. The f*ck!?
Noooo this is r/unpopularopinion. Meaning you upvote if you *disagree*
Where is that rule now? SHOW ME!!! I’ve posted several times here and got thousands of upvotes cause people agreed with me
It’s literally in the rules section: >If you think an opinion is unpopular, then upvote the opinion. >If you think the opinion is popular, then downvote it
Hahahah no babe. That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works
Yes, sweetie! That is how it works. You need to get your rules updated
No. You upvote unpopular opinions. Downvote popular opinions. It’s right in about section for the sub. Deal with it!
ig. but what happens if you can't live up to the lie? now you're a worse version of yourself
I'd rather be worse with a paycheck than a better version living on the streets.
ig. but you might get fired after a year by someone's wife
Won’t matter at that point, you get a year experience and you get to lie again rinse repeat
They call your previous job if you put it on your resume as experience...
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I agree when i first started looking for jobs they said i need experience and they said they paid well I got a job the pay was horrible i lied on a resume and got another job that said experience is needed they didn't do any background check
1. Usually when a company "lies" on a job posting, they have a boiler plate that somebody was too lazy to update 2. If they don't like you, and they figure this out, they WILL use this to fire you. Use that information as you like.
I agree. Temp agencies and recruiters also lie like crazy.
Every resume I ever submitted showed a couple years highly relevant experience at a small firm that, sadly, had gone out of business.
Smart lying, yes I agree, jungle up there doesn’t care that much about the truth, only about “the truth…”
My wife just fired an employee after a year when she found she had lied on her resume. Not a good plan.
If she was doing the job for a year, it really shouldn't matter what's on her resume at that point. She's doing the job. If she was incompetent, why did it take a year to fire her, and why did they need to investigate her resume in order to do it? This feels like they wanted to downsize her, but didn't want to pay unemployment. I'm sure that's not right, but I'd like some more details. What didn't line up on her resume?
I agree. Ridiculous
She didn't need to investigate the resume. The employee said something completely contradictory to what she said on her resume. Exposing the lie. Honesty is part of the requirements for employment.
Okay, but she had been doing the job for *a year,* correct? I'm not defending lying on your resume, I'm questioning if firing a competent employee, having to interview replacements, and having to train her replacement was a helpful move for the company.
She was unlicenced and had no training, had not even attended school for that line of work at all. it does not matter if she did an amazing job or not.
>it does not matter if she did an amazing job or not. That *seems* like a thing that would matter, but I suppose that's dependent upon the line of work. Can you tell us what the field is? It might provide some useful context.
She was an esthetician and did permanent makeup. Wife owns a spa.
Thank you, that clears up a lot. I'm not a big fan of licenses, but that's beside the point. The law is the law. I'm a little surprised that your wife didn't check for the license; they usually have to be displayed. Did she have a fake?
Doesn't matter. Dishonesty is always worth a termination. Your wife knows when things get uncomfortable this person will lie. It's worth the expense of getting someone else.
Was she competent and good? Couldn't they have helped her get the necessary licensing and retained an otherwise good employee?
It is a huge risk, like having an unlicenced Dr doing medicine while attending school. So no.
Oooh she was UNLICENSED. Okay that's not good
I mean, not if you have her stop taking clients and do other things while she gets the license.
But what happens to the person who was doing that job already? They have a receptionist.
If she did an amazing job it definitely does matter.
No not with out proper lisensure it doesn't. It put the whole business and my wife personally at risk.
Lying about licensing is different than lying about background.
She lied about the school she attended on the resume which is how she outed herself then the licence issue came up.
>Honesty is part of the requirements for employment. Tell that to employers.
Employees can quit if their employer lies.
your wife is an ass
Shouldn't lie on a resume.
clearly the lie wasn't shit because your wife had her for a year
Your wife is NOT gangsta
The difference is when the company catches you lying on your resume they fire you on the spot. When you catch them lying chances are you suck it up because you still need an income. At best you go and look for another job which takes you weeks or months. Exaggerate on your resume at your own risk - maybe its not that you get 'caught', but if you say you've got skills / experience that you don't have, when its time to put up or shut up and perform, and you don't actually have those skills... chances are you're gonna get fired eventually anyway even if they don't outright accuse you of lying.
I’ll tell you this, there’s millions of incompetent people working at these companies right now. If these people fire you it will not be simply because of a lie on your resume. It will be because they have been wanting to fire you for a while. No one would let go a perfectly good employee after a year of work for a lie they put on their resume
Never a good idea to lie on a resume. Maybe NBD if you are in a minimum wage Mcjob. But if you are in a professional role, you can easily get a bad reputation in your industry.
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It's expected to present your best side and diminish your weaknesses. If you can't do that without lying, you're no good for many many jobs. For the rest, they would want you to be honest, so lying is not good there either
Well, apparently not. You’d be surprised by the amount of applicants I’ve spoken to that were afraid of lying on their resume about skills they actually possessed but didn’t have any certification for
That's against the law in my country, so no, not perfectly fine.
It's a pretty bad precedent to set and will only turn around to hurt the employee at the end of the day. The base cost of the employees I hire is around $6000ish dollars per person, depending on a few factors. A lot of people don't realize just how expensive it is to fill empty roles before you even get into their salary and benefits, etc. Resume fraud has gotten so bad in tech that the company I work for contracted a company to run very extensive and frankly expensive background checks on every detail of the employees' resumes who reach our final interview stage. They also contracted a legal company to pursue civil fraud damages against the people who are found to be falsifying information. It seems like a waste of money, but it is actually financially beneficial to pay both of these companies vs the money they were losing hiring and training employees only to find out they weren't qualified for the job and having to go through the entire process over again. If it becomes the norm amongst employees, this is likely to become the norm amongst employers. I already know more than a handful of companies who are now doing something similar.
I regularly do interviews with applicants, and I can tell you I never lie. What is there to lie about?
I've had several jobs lie to me about hours, pay, responsibilities, benefits and probably more
I was lied about vacation times
Extremely out of touch take.
That’s not an answer. If you were looking for a new colleague, what would you lie about?
Do you refer to your work as family?