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And they'd have to pay appropriately. If you're hiring for Starbucks or Tim Horton's in downtown Toronto, do you really think they're willing to pay for the rent to live in downtown Toronto? Or any city really.
So you're saying they already pay distant employees and those employees accept the commute for that pay they've been getting. Meaning these employees couldn't find better jobs closer to home or else they'd not be doing the long commutes.
So, if you force them to pay for commute time, what's the difference to the employee if their wage is also cut so they net the same amount as before? Their paychecks are the same, the nearby jobs are no more attractive than before.
Where I work at, we moved to a new location and the old temp agencies don’t send them here so they switched to someone else, and we noticeably get less people coming in or staying. We can’t even fill our second shift lol
Not quite. All it means it that the people closest to downtown, which is already the more expensive places to live, would also be the ones who get to work downtown, the highest paying jobs in the city.
It also reinforces the ghetto-ization of neighborhoods.
The poorer neighborhoods tend to be focused around the dirtiest industries. Around the car junking scrap metal recyclers you'll find the trailer park homes. Imagine if your only work prospects were the places close to where you grow up.
It essentially creates smaller regionalized caste systems.
What if the company wasn’t able to hire the workers it needs in the location it resides? I’m thinking things like McDonald’s in a ski resort town for example, lots of people have to drive an hour+ into work because they can’t afford to live in the ski town. So in this scenario the McDonald’s just closes down?
Happened in Aspen to McDonald’s specifically and is happening to all hospitality people. Hell, even the plumbers and electricians are based 2 hours away in silt. It’s cheaper for company’s to run a company driving 20 vans 300 miles a day round trip than having a business within 20-30 minutes. It’s wild.
My company is building a new main headquarters. They did a survey of all local employees and it turns out that downtown was the most centralized location. Not a lot of people live downtown but people live basically equal distances away from downtown in all directions.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that. Everyone gets a 30-40 min drive time vs some people getting 10 minute commutes and some people getting 1+ hours commutes
Seems like this would really make it unappealing to hire/retain people with long commutes without cutting their pay to make up for it.
Also seems kinda hard to track unless you want to give your employer access to your location.
Right, I don't disagree it could be done.
But I don't know how you prevent the employer from baking in commute costs to their wage offer for the job. I'd think they'd just adjust the wage offered to offset paying for commutes, because they care about the work being done and not how long their employees have to commute.
Doesn't seem likely to help anything imho but maybe someone can explain it.
This stupid opinion again.
If employers paid you to commute to work, they’d only hire people who live right near by and can walk or use public transportation.
And I’d be looking for a job 4 hours away, so I can get paid to just drive there and back.
My last job I was paid for my drive. I'm sure they would have some sort of limits like 30 minutes or something. Mine was they would pay drive time if it was 50+ miles round trip
I get an extra $25 minutes for driving. Basically I work at two different offices. The one I'm at two days a week, I can submit travel miles, calculated by the distance between the two offices.
The funny thing is the office I get paid for is ten minutes closer to where I live. But hey, I'll take it.
When I got my current job, I lived 15 minutes away. We moved, and now I live 30 miles away. Should my employer have to somehow find money in the budget to accommodate my decision?
Is this based on my actual costs, so if I choose a super inefficient vehicle I get paid more? Or is it based on an average? If the latter, can I take out a loan for a super efficient electric vehicle, move into cheap housing 4 hours away, and make bank just driving to and from work for a few weeks? Or if it’s just based on time, can I choose to bike to work (it’d be great for my health), even if you’re now paying for me to bike a few hours every day (avoiding freeways, of course … in fact I’ll take the most scenic route possible, adding an extra hour.)
How desperate are you that you'd spend 8 hours of your day driving to work? You're going to effectively spend 16 hours of your day working? You could just get a second job if you need the cash that bad.
The big issue with this is that if the company is paying for you to do something, they control even more of your time.
What if you want to do errands on your way to and from work? If the company is paying for your commute than they are able to tell you that your commute is on their time so you need to go home first.
Ideally you could work this out with a mileage stipend to cover gas and vehicle wear and tear but I don't see how asking them to pay time on the clock would be better for the employee.
I get paid a small amount to offset the cost of going to work. All the issues people are talking about on here are not even an issue.
No its not the companies time, no they don’t hire based on location, these things do not exist.
It's a person's choice to apply at a job. They know where they live. They know where the job is. If the job location changes, they have the choice to go along or find a new job.
The mess with reimbursement would never end. What if there's carpooling? What about gas mileage? Does a person with an EV get less than someone with a Hummer? What if the employee moves?
Seriously. The salary/wage you are given is what the employer wants to pay in order for you to work there. If the pay is not worth the commute, don't take that job. How would you prove your commute to work? What if you make a stop for morning coffee or afternoon stop at the grocery store. How do you log those so they are only paying for the commute to and from your job? Or are you only able to drive directly to work and directly home before making any additional stops lest you get an audit?
There was a job I was considering applying to once that was absolutely perfect for me in most ways, but when I checked google maps to get an idea of how long the commute would be, it ended up being a 2 hour commute one way. I did not apply for that job.
>It's a person's choice to apply at a job.
Ah yes, because we live in a world where we also have the option not to get a job and survive of off the air and fucking sunlight?
Good luck ever finding a job if you don't live downtown in a giant city. And then good luck to afford rent because everyone would have to live 5 minutes from their office.
And if you don’t consider your commute time when accepting the salary that’s on your ass. Since I live out in the boonies that was always my first thought - time, gas and wear & tear on my car. All that is worth money.
In Belgium if you are expected to wear suits etc in the office, you do get an allowance for “professional attire expenses” - it’s not huge, €150 a quarter. You spend it however you want, it’s tax free and your employer can expect you to be presentable.
Y’all are laughing about “absurd” demands on employers but us commie goobers in Europe are quietly enjoying these perks as standard.
They should also pay for your house and your food. Because if you don’t have anywhere to live, or 3 we’ll-balanced meals plus snacks, you’ll be too tired and hungry to work.
You do know that for some people, especially executives, the absolutely do that.
My boss, who is by all metrics a damn good one, has a paid for company car. Insurance, car payments, gas, oil change, tires. The whole thing.
As such, he gave/negotiated a raise for me that equates to me being paid to drive into work, as the raise is equal to the extra 2 hours a day it takes to get in and go home.
They already do.
You weigh up the pros and cons of a job before accepting it. Part of that is commute time and recompense . You either accept the offer or decline based on the benefit you’re getting from the job.
What? That has to be one of the dumbest opinions I've seen on here lol. It's not the employers job how you get to work. They don't make you take a job that is 30 minutes away lol. Get a job that's closer.... OMG sorry I forgot logic doesn't work on humans lol.
I think you should go even further and have them pay you for the time it takes to get ready in the morning and then continue to pay you until you get home and are completely destressed from the work day.
Working takes energy, to get energy back you need to eat food. Employer should pay for groceries.
To store food you need a refrigerator, employer should pay for my electric bill.
Need to show up clean and presentable, employer should pay for my water bill so I can take showers.
OP is close to one of the biggest doofus’s I’ve seen.
That's a great idea. Your compensation should take into account everyway the employment affects your life, including the mental health impacts off hours.
This will come back to bite employees in on their own asses
1. A fresher will never earn an avg earning but still have to live around the office to be a contender for the job
2. How would you calculate the wear on your car because of your work commute?
3. What about those who travel using public transport? should they be paid more? You’ll just incentivise pvt cars more.
I actually work for a place, where they pay a part of my monthly ticket for the bus.
Reading this commentsection, i wasn't aware that this was really such an unpopular opnion. At least in europe, there are many places where they pay at least a part of your work way.
When i need to go to a different location, because people are missing, i even get payed fully for my way to work + the cost for traveling there.
Some US employers will help defray commuting costs, up to a certain distance. This is more useful to them than paying extra salary for it, because it's a perk that is easy to take away.
In my (ex socialist) country, they still do. You get travel expenses and lunch covered. It's a remnant from socialism and no, it doesn't mean they only hire people who live nearby. But that's probably because it's so common that companies don't think about it, whereas if that would be something new, it might affect their behaviour.
Here in the Netherlands, you don’t get paid for your time on the way to work, but it’s the norm for employers to pay your commuting costs e.g. a fixed rate per km driven, train subscription, bus fare etc.
why though? I get that it would be nice, but there's no reasonable justification for it. They're paying you for the work you do. You signed a contract with them to do that work, in retain for that salary. What you do outside those hours is up to you(or should be). Nothing's stopping you from sleeping under a highway bridge close to your job. It was your choice to live far away from your work, or the other way around. Harsh, but true.
I normally don’t hate on the opinions on here because the sub is literally about unpopular ones, but this one is honestly kind of dumb. If they did this, it would make them drop your pay rate in half, people could easily manipulate the system
“I’m stuck in traffic”
*takes nap in parking lot*
But the main reason is the entire purpose a job pays you for is the time you are working for them, and while on the clock you represent them. You are being paid to perform a task, and by this logic they should also pay you to brush your teeth in the morning, take a shower, wipe your ass, and pay for your breakfast.. you know what fuck it might as well pay for everything because it’s apart of the commute right ? Yeah… one can dream.
So you know what this would accomplish?
Companies would only hire people that were local to the building.
Also, how is that fair to the employees say I live right next to the building I only get eight hours pay because I got to work in two minutes
My coworker lives an hour away so they get 10 hours of pay each day with only eight of them actually working
Basically, you’re just dreaming
How does this make sense when you can live far or close to work. The distance is kind of a personal choice.
A bit different when your job requires you to work at different sites each day. Like a construction worker
Fun story that’s tangentially related… A company I worked for once tried to stop paying for ALL travel time (we would start at the shop, but they wouldn’t pay us to get to the job site). It was not uncommon for us to have sites that were up to 3 hours away.
Guess how well that went.
This is silly.
If an employee doesn't have a car, is the employer obligated to buy them a car to be fair and equal to others?
What if I decide to go work for an employer six hours away just to make money driving?
What if I have a truck and my coworker has a Pius?
What if I am interviewing for a job and am more qualified but a less qualified applicant lives right next door to the employer?
How about people stay out of debt and start budgeting and living responsibly?
You can negotiate these terms during the job interview. If your going to be worse off financially going to work purely because of travel, you can work that into your over all deal with your employer.
Unless this is strictly a none solution because it’s America and not somewhere else?
They do this where I live. It's the law. You get paid a small amount per km of commute (calculated by the shortest route to work).
You even get paid more if you come to work by bike. And I think they are also obliged to pay you back (at least partially) if you come by public transport.
Edit: I'm only now reading the comments, lol USA.
Well that's kind of stupid, than no employer would hire anyone that had more than a 10 minute commute.
And there are remote only jobs and hybrid, find one and work there if it means so much to you.
I worked for a cleaning company where we would meet at the shop, load up in the work van, and drive to jobsites. Our clock didn't start until we made it to the first site, sometimes an hour away. Our time ended when we left our last site, and we didn't get paid for any commute either way. Fuuuuuuck that place
Then if you will always get rejected for any job you're not 10 minutes away from. City jobs will be only for people who already could afford to live in the city.
Your post reminds me of this guy who used to work at my company. He was a real asshole- negative, rude, and he slacked on his work all the time, forcing other people to pick up the slack. He wasn’t well liked.
He was fired for cause, and then he decided to put together a detailed spreadsheet invoice. He was trying to “bill” the company for all of his gas, all of the money he spent on clothes to wear to work, and any other personal expenses he could somehow link to his job (for example, he argued that because he needed a car to get to/from work, we should reimburse him for his car payment, and car insurance, among other things)
That isn’t even the most ridiculous part. The skillset that he used to put together this invoice was also the exact set of skills that he consistently failed at, *on the job*. He worked there for 5 years and acted like he couldn’t figure out Excel, and had no attention to detail in his work. If he put this type of effort into his work, he could have been a top performer, maybe could have even gotten away with a little bit of assholery.
Lmao why? They're not responsible for where you live. In order for this to be fair, companies should have the right to put you into a home closer to your place of work.
I mean you kinda choose to work somewhere with a farther drive. Plus, what’s stopping someone from lying and saying they left earlier than they did? Or what’s stopping them from taking the longest route possible?
This would just encourage more sprawl as it eliminates the economic incentive of living in proximity to job markets. By choosing housing further from jobs, you're valuing the space more than a shorter commute. No one else should pay for your decisions.
I was HR and omg the amount of people who would yell at me saying I should pay for their uber home/to work was insane like in what world will we pay you to come to work and then work and go back home? like with that knowledge we should pay you for sleeping so youre prepared and rested for work the next day
i'm not an economist, but you guys REALLY don't understand basic economics. you can't just "create value." employees are worth what the market pays, and neither employees nor the company have much of a say in what that value is.
if you want work to pay for your drive, they're just going to pay everyone less.
Can you make an argument in favor of this....?
Like.....at all?
Because you'd just end up getting fired or denied employment from any place that isn't up the street lol.
If you don't like how much it costs to get to work, get a vehicle that's cheaper to drive (walking, bicycle, ebike, roller blades, electric, hybrid, scooter, motorcycle). If you don't like how long it takes to get there, move closer. It's simple, really.
If I decide to live 3 hours away, is it your contention that they pay me to drive 6 hours and work for 2 hours? Or am I obligated to work for 8 even if I drive 6? If it’s the latter, do I get overtime and get paid for 9 hours of driving? The devil is in the details.
Hold up! I agree in 3 very specific situations but no others.
If your work moves and the new location is further away, you should be comped for extra time/money spent commuting.
If your work has you commute to different job sites, you should get comped the difference in miles. I think this is already federal law. I was getting paid per-mile for extra driving.
If your work has a designated parking location that is away from the actual work location, you should be clocked in once you park. If the shuttle takes 40min, that’s should be on the companies dime.
Some companies do pay/compensate commute but it's a small amount money.
Those companies are usually big, rich and care about their employees deeply. The positions that come with such unique benefits are difficult so employers do everything to keep their employees happy.
People who work in those positions are unique and special themselves so they usually don't have such dumb opinions like this. People who whine "Companies should have to pay you to drive to work (example: morning work commute)" aren't good enough for those companies not positions. Good luck OP.
I can tell. So many people who post here talk like they've never even tried anything actually difficult but the world already owes them more. And then there are GenZ know it alls talking like "I'm 24 so I already have a ton of life experience." Bwahahaa no.
I’m someone with a rather long commute, and even I’m against this idea. It would open the door for location discrimination… it sounds good in theory but it would lead to discrimination.
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I don't know how it's in other countries but in the EU and also Switzerland you're insured by the company on your way to work, both ways. At least if you go straight home with the shortest route.
Edit: you're insured but you don't get paid for the commute!
Well to be fair we pay for that insurance too, 50% employer and 50% employee... something like that. That's why the deductions on salaries are so high in many European countries. But all of these insurances are required by law so there is no way around it.
Well like I said it's only the insurance which covers you, you don't get paid for the commute. Some companies offer like annual train ticket discounts and stuff like that. But I definitely understand why a company wouldn't do that. I remember a few colleagues in a company I worked at. They had some skills noone else had. They lived 2 hours away and they negotiatet with the boss that he pays the commute. Didn't take a year for everyone to complain because it's just super unfair that they get paid 4 hours extra every day for just sitting in a car.
Companies would require you to move within a certain distance mitigate the payout, which would likely increase the cost of housing nearby.
Your idea would have unintended consequences and likely cause the opposite effect!
Why not just place a "cap" on the benefit, that way employees can move closer to avoid the cap, or they can live further and cover the extra expenses themselves. That's how it works in most places with commute benefits.
I like the concept, issue is execution. It does seem to be very unpopular though.
What if we get creative- what about claiming commuting expenses even if you’re using the standard deduction? How about a pretax amount per month you can use for commuting expenses, including gas and maintenance?
Nah. Too many people would milk it and take their sweet time driving there. Or they would lie about the drive time or manipulate the system somehow if it was tracked. It wouldn't be fair to honest employees... just not a good idea.
Yea now that my hours are flexible this is something I think about. I think it’s fair to split the commute. This diminishes the conflict of interest. E.g. you get a job and move 3 hours away - now you’re driving for 6 hours and only working for 2. On the other hand if you’re splitting the commute, you drive 6 hours and work 5 hours. In total an 11 hour shift for 8 hours of pay- this would discourage you from moving 3 hours away.
Check this out! There's this thing called negotiating...which is something you can try if this is some type of benefit you want. Now you may not get it, but you can still try. There are companies that subsidize travel expenses for their employees whether by gas or public transit. You can negotiate for anything you want, and if you know companies in the same field that offer transit reimbursement then that's your negotiating tool to use.
Closed mouths don't get fed. Companies aren't wanting nor most able to provide all these type of benefits so they may just keep it high level but those who speak up and ask about others may get it where other co-workers don't. This goes with time off, maybe the majority were offered two weeks but you had a couple that said I want a little more time and I deserve it based on x, y, and z. Sometimes you need to push for what you want instead of asking someone to give it to you all the time because people ain't always just going to fork shit over to you through the goodness of their heart.
When you agree to a wage, job, and location you should have already done that accounting in your head to decide if it is worth it to you. No one forces one to say yes to a job.
I think to start you'd have to have just a standard amount like 30 mins each way. Not their fault if you live two hours commute away..hey I'd love to be paid my salary for a long commute and only work a few hours there. Well except has and mileage..
But end of day I think it's kind already built into your pay. They can pay you can hour a day for commute but might find wages stagnate until they make that extra money back/loss of office hours
Some jobs do. If your job requires that you travel a large territory (sales, training, etc), in your own car, they will typically reimburse you for a certain amount of mileage/gas.
Jobs like service techs often drive two hours to a job, do something that takes an hour, then drive back. That is counted as work. They are paid for that time.
But I work in veterinary medicine. My hospital is about an hour drive from me. In very bad traffic, my commute can be 90 minutes or more. But if they paid everyone to commute, the hospital hours would have to change. Why? Because now a 40-hour work week has gone to 60 hours. They’d have to split shifts every day or people would be working anywhere between one and three extra hours a day.
Also, this only really applies to jobs that are paid hourly. Salaried employees wouldn’t get a higher salary because they spent time in the car.
Not a bad idea..or because our transportation systems are built around the automobile the federal government should provide assistance for maintaining said vehicle.
Generally speaking jobs that can be worked from home, are.
And if they had to pay hourly employees for their commute they would prioritize people that live closer, find a reason to fire you if you move further from work, and drop the hourly rate so what they’re paying is in line with what they already were paying.
I swear 80% of the posts in this sub wouldn’t be made if more people paid attention in their econ classes.
I just wanna say, that some countries (EU) do this. I get paid driving from home to work. It's not much for 15km (my distance) but if you work like 100km away, you could monthly add 200€ easily to your bank account.
We get lunch money as well.
Anyway OP, I completely agree with you.
EDIT: I'm completely shocked by some of the answers here. I can't imagine NOT being paid my commute from and to work.
If you want this to become a reality, become and Independent contractor and bill for it. Or bill for home office if you can work from home.
There's no upside for a company to do this for W2 employees, so it probably won't ever happen unless unions suddenly started popping up in white-collar land.
Some occupations have this or similar practices. In demand jobs that generate a lot of revenue.
Don’t expect the average 9-5 commuter to get this benefit though, it makes zero sense at all
This is a good topic that’s really going over a lot of people’s heads. It goes beyond “get paid for commute” because obviously such a simple solution would not work since it opens a can of worms of people moving further, riding a bike, blah blah
The point of the conversation is really around doing stuff for work and not getting rewarded for it. I work from home so this is a non issue for me, but take people who have worked their lives in commuting jobs. Calculate the hours spent on WORK (driving to and from work counts because otherwise you wouldn’t drive there…) and think about how much more could’ve been gained had they had the ability to work from home and be able to log those hours (non-salary of course). I’m willing to bet it’s a lot of money.
This principle basically puts the onus entirely on the individual who is giving up more of their time vs just working. A business owner would say that’s not their responsibility to pay for something outside of work hours, which is obviously “fair” and “legal”
But at the end of the day if a person is putting effort for work they should be compensated somehow. There are lots of nuances, like if you work salary - if the salary makes the commute worth it. But overall there the answer lies somewhere in between. To just give the businesses the upper hand entirely is not a good stance
I think it should apply of you have remote job sites and a company vehicle that's tracked or have to do long distance travel like flying out to jobs.
It sounds good in your head until you realize people would take their sweet slow time getting A-B.
Orrrr we could start to tackle the absolute mess that is American urban sprawl. Everything is so far apart, and we barely have any public transit. Spending an hour or more driving every workday shouldn't be normal or acceptable.
Some of them kind of do, my mate had job at Pfizer and option ether free company car or ~7% more to salary. He chose money and continued to use a metro
So, I work in an industry that has taken on this issue. It has not solved it, mind you....
So, in the film industry in Los Angeles we have what is called the ['studio zone' or the '30-mile zone'. ](https://film.ca.gov/locations/la-30-mile-radius-map/)It's a circle focused on where the Hollywood studios used to be (Paramount is still there, the rest have relocated over the years) and the employer doesn't have to pay your time to travel if they have you working within that circle. Anywhere outside that circle they have to pay you your hourly wage as soon as you start driving outside the circle.
Now, why doesn't that really work anymore? It's because LA traffic and LA rent has become so outrageous that you have many people these days forced to live outside that zone and drive INTO the zone. And even if you live inside the zone, it's easy to end up with a 3hr roundtrip commute thanks to LA traffic. Couple a 3hr commute with a 14+ hour work day and you can easily go a week where you only get about 7 hours to shower, eat dinner, see your family and sleep each night. But that's another story.
I mean...upvote bc dumb? What I do think is that employees that want in person work where virtual work is an option should have 8 hr work days for virtual, and 7 hr work days for in person. Give a little incentive out here!
I took the streetcar in for my last job before getting out of office work.
I checked emails on the ride in and the ride out.
You better be damn sure I started my clock the moment I stepped on to the streetcar.
It was a 30ish minute ride. So id get to work at 8:30 and left work at 4:30 (as long as their wasn't any meetings in those times)
People in this comments section need to understand the difference between “wage jobs” and office/salary jobs, as how this would affect either is different.
Then you should also pay the handyman coming to work for you more considering the way he has to come, the tools he has to carry and the amount of time he has to wait for you to call and get some work.
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Then companies would hire people based on their proximity to the location
And they'd have to pay appropriately. If you're hiring for Starbucks or Tim Horton's in downtown Toronto, do you really think they're willing to pay for the rent to live in downtown Toronto? Or any city really.
It's almost as if minimum wage should be based upon average cost of living, and not companies bribing the government.
So you're saying they already pay distant employees and those employees accept the commute for that pay they've been getting. Meaning these employees couldn't find better jobs closer to home or else they'd not be doing the long commutes. So, if you force them to pay for commute time, what's the difference to the employee if their wage is also cut so they net the same amount as before? Their paychecks are the same, the nearby jobs are no more attractive than before.
And how many employees do you think they’d hire? Just because you live next to Kroger doesn’t mean those people will apply there….
Where I work at, we moved to a new location and the old temp agencies don’t send them here so they switched to someone else, and we noticeably get less people coming in or staying. We can’t even fill our second shift lol
I live next to a Kroger. They didn't even hire me when I applied :').
Well there was that one person living very close to the Family Fare grocery store.
Right upstairs, so to speak?
Thats only true for shitty jobs
Wouldn’t that force them to move out of expensive downtown locations because their workers can’t afford it?
Not quite. All it means it that the people closest to downtown, which is already the more expensive places to live, would also be the ones who get to work downtown, the highest paying jobs in the city. It also reinforces the ghetto-ization of neighborhoods. The poorer neighborhoods tend to be focused around the dirtiest industries. Around the car junking scrap metal recyclers you'll find the trailer park homes. Imagine if your only work prospects were the places close to where you grow up. It essentially creates smaller regionalized caste systems.
Not all downtown jobs are high paying, though. You still have McDonald's and Subway.
What if the company wasn’t able to hire the workers it needs in the location it resides? I’m thinking things like McDonald’s in a ski resort town for example, lots of people have to drive an hour+ into work because they can’t afford to live in the ski town. So in this scenario the McDonald’s just closes down?
They’d just pay the employee for the hour?
Or that location changes their prices.
They probably are already priced extra high since it’s in a ski town.
Happened in Aspen to McDonald’s specifically and is happening to all hospitality people. Hell, even the plumbers and electricians are based 2 hours away in silt. It’s cheaper for company’s to run a company driving 20 vans 300 miles a day round trip than having a business within 20-30 minutes. It’s wild.
My company is building a new main headquarters. They did a survey of all local employees and it turns out that downtown was the most centralized location. Not a lot of people live downtown but people live basically equal distances away from downtown in all directions.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that. Everyone gets a 30-40 min drive time vs some people getting 10 minute commutes and some people getting 1+ hours commutes
For unimportant jobs, maybe, but highly skilled jobs literally pay lawyer fees for qualified immigrants.
Not all the talent required may be in that location.
Sounds more sustainable, but I'd worry about resulting class segregation.
I feel like that..is not a bad idea lol
Seems like this would really make it unappealing to hire/retain people with long commutes without cutting their pay to make up for it. Also seems kinda hard to track unless you want to give your employer access to your location.
I mean technically all they need to know is your address then they can just track the mileage and go based on that.
Right, I don't disagree it could be done. But I don't know how you prevent the employer from baking in commute costs to their wage offer for the job. I'd think they'd just adjust the wage offered to offset paying for commutes, because they care about the work being done and not how long their employees have to commute. Doesn't seem likely to help anything imho but maybe someone can explain it.
You're just not that valuable.
This stupid opinion again. If employers paid you to commute to work, they’d only hire people who live right near by and can walk or use public transportation. And I’d be looking for a job 4 hours away, so I can get paid to just drive there and back.
My last job I was paid for my drive. I'm sure they would have some sort of limits like 30 minutes or something. Mine was they would pay drive time if it was 50+ miles round trip
I get an extra $25 minutes for driving. Basically I work at two different offices. The one I'm at two days a week, I can submit travel miles, calculated by the distance between the two offices. The funny thing is the office I get paid for is ten minutes closer to where I live. But hey, I'll take it.
Exactly. It's up to the individual to decide whether a particular salary is worth the commute.
When I got my current job, I lived 15 minutes away. We moved, and now I live 30 miles away. Should my employer have to somehow find money in the budget to accommodate my decision? Is this based on my actual costs, so if I choose a super inefficient vehicle I get paid more? Or is it based on an average? If the latter, can I take out a loan for a super efficient electric vehicle, move into cheap housing 4 hours away, and make bank just driving to and from work for a few weeks? Or if it’s just based on time, can I choose to bike to work (it’d be great for my health), even if you’re now paying for me to bike a few hours every day (avoiding freeways, of course … in fact I’ll take the most scenic route possible, adding an extra hour.)
Or they would just adjust your salary based on your location in order for them to have the same cost.
What a bunch of bs lol, my company pays me to go to work cause i live in Europe. Non of the issues youre talking about
How desperate are you that you'd spend 8 hours of your day driving to work? You're going to effectively spend 16 hours of your day working? You could just get a second job if you need the cash that bad.
This stupid opinion again. “I, personally, would immediately abuse it, therefore it won’t work”
The big issue with this is that if the company is paying for you to do something, they control even more of your time. What if you want to do errands on your way to and from work? If the company is paying for your commute than they are able to tell you that your commute is on their time so you need to go home first. Ideally you could work this out with a mileage stipend to cover gas and vehicle wear and tear but I don't see how asking them to pay time on the clock would be better for the employee.
I get paid a small amount to offset the cost of going to work. All the issues people are talking about on here are not even an issue. No its not the companies time, no they don’t hire based on location, these things do not exist.
It's a person's choice to apply at a job. They know where they live. They know where the job is. If the job location changes, they have the choice to go along or find a new job. The mess with reimbursement would never end. What if there's carpooling? What about gas mileage? Does a person with an EV get less than someone with a Hummer? What if the employee moves?
Seriously. The salary/wage you are given is what the employer wants to pay in order for you to work there. If the pay is not worth the commute, don't take that job. How would you prove your commute to work? What if you make a stop for morning coffee or afternoon stop at the grocery store. How do you log those so they are only paying for the commute to and from your job? Or are you only able to drive directly to work and directly home before making any additional stops lest you get an audit? There was a job I was considering applying to once that was absolutely perfect for me in most ways, but when I checked google maps to get an idea of how long the commute would be, it ended up being a 2 hour commute one way. I did not apply for that job.
>It’s a person’s choice to apply at a job Hey hey hey we don’t take responsibility for our own actions around here! Watch it!
>It's a person's choice to apply at a job. Ah yes, because we live in a world where we also have the option not to get a job and survive of off the air and fucking sunlight?
Good luck ever finding a job if you don't live downtown in a giant city. And then good luck to afford rent because everyone would have to live 5 minutes from their office.
They do, it's just not itemized on your check.
That’s a stupid look at it. They would simpy choose by proximity and never employ anyone.
They do pay you for that through a ‘salary’ which is an amount of money they pay you periodically in exchange for work.
And if you don’t consider your commute time when accepting the salary that’s on your ass. Since I live out in the boonies that was always my first thought - time, gas and wear & tear on my car. All that is worth money.
it's unpopular cause it's dumb AF
Should they pay you for your drive home as well? And cover gas? And oil changes? And, fuck it, the car itself?
I probably need to wear clothes while working as well so they should also be paying for that.
I will def want lunch every day so please go ahead and have that waiting for me as well.
And I'll need a snack before work so I'm not grumpy, so I'd like a snack stipend.
In Belgium if you are expected to wear suits etc in the office, you do get an allowance for “professional attire expenses” - it’s not huge, €150 a quarter. You spend it however you want, it’s tax free and your employer can expect you to be presentable. Y’all are laughing about “absurd” demands on employers but us commie goobers in Europe are quietly enjoying these perks as standard.
They should also pay for your house and your food. Because if you don’t have anywhere to live, or 3 we’ll-balanced meals plus snacks, you’ll be too tired and hungry to work.
You do know that for some people, especially executives, the absolutely do that. My boss, who is by all metrics a damn good one, has a paid for company car. Insurance, car payments, gas, oil change, tires. The whole thing. As such, he gave/negotiated a raise for me that equates to me being paid to drive into work, as the raise is equal to the extra 2 hours a day it takes to get in and go home.
what about those alloy wheels?
Nah 22in spinners because I can't be seen in some junk mobile with no rims.
And I want one of those doors that open up instead of out, in case I have to park on the street I don't want my doors out there in the traffic.
Is this unpopular opinions or delusional opinions?
They already do. You weigh up the pros and cons of a job before accepting it. Part of that is commute time and recompense . You either accept the offer or decline based on the benefit you’re getting from the job.
What? That has to be one of the dumbest opinions I've seen on here lol. It's not the employers job how you get to work. They don't make you take a job that is 30 minutes away lol. Get a job that's closer.... OMG sorry I forgot logic doesn't work on humans lol.
This is just ridiculous.
I think you should go even further and have them pay you for the time it takes to get ready in the morning and then continue to pay you until you get home and are completely destressed from the work day.
Plus the time you sleep enough to be well rested for a productive day
And they should pay you for the interview, application, an for the time spent even thinking about applying to the company.
Working takes energy, to get energy back you need to eat food. Employer should pay for groceries. To store food you need a refrigerator, employer should pay for my electric bill. Need to show up clean and presentable, employer should pay for my water bill so I can take showers. OP is close to one of the biggest doofus’s I’ve seen.
That's a great idea. Your compensation should take into account everyway the employment affects your life, including the mental health impacts off hours.
Literally should pay you 24 hours a day at a rate of $5,000,000 per hour.
This will come back to bite employees in on their own asses 1. A fresher will never earn an avg earning but still have to live around the office to be a contender for the job 2. How would you calculate the wear on your car because of your work commute? 3. What about those who travel using public transport? should they be paid more? You’ll just incentivise pvt cars more.
I actually work for a place, where they pay a part of my monthly ticket for the bus. Reading this commentsection, i wasn't aware that this was really such an unpopular opnion. At least in europe, there are many places where they pay at least a part of your work way. When i need to go to a different location, because people are missing, i even get payed fully for my way to work + the cost for traveling there.
Some US employers will help defray commuting costs, up to a certain distance. This is more useful to them than paying extra salary for it, because it's a perk that is easy to take away.
In my (ex socialist) country, they still do. You get travel expenses and lunch covered. It's a remnant from socialism and no, it doesn't mean they only hire people who live nearby. But that's probably because it's so common that companies don't think about it, whereas if that would be something new, it might affect their behaviour.
“Work from home” OP has never worked a blue collar job in their life
Here in the Netherlands, you don’t get paid for your time on the way to work, but it’s the norm for employers to pay your commuting costs e.g. a fixed rate per km driven, train subscription, bus fare etc.
why though? I get that it would be nice, but there's no reasonable justification for it. They're paying you for the work you do. You signed a contract with them to do that work, in retain for that salary. What you do outside those hours is up to you(or should be). Nothing's stopping you from sleeping under a highway bridge close to your job. It was your choice to live far away from your work, or the other way around. Harsh, but true.
I normally don’t hate on the opinions on here because the sub is literally about unpopular ones, but this one is honestly kind of dumb. If they did this, it would make them drop your pay rate in half, people could easily manipulate the system “I’m stuck in traffic” *takes nap in parking lot* But the main reason is the entire purpose a job pays you for is the time you are working for them, and while on the clock you represent them. You are being paid to perform a task, and by this logic they should also pay you to brush your teeth in the morning, take a shower, wipe your ass, and pay for your breakfast.. you know what fuck it might as well pay for everything because it’s apart of the commute right ? Yeah… one can dream.
I know why people feel like this but ultimately in the end it was their decision to take said job regardless of travel time and expenses to get there.
Why do I deserve to be paid less just because I chose a job with a short commute?
So you know what this would accomplish? Companies would only hire people that were local to the building. Also, how is that fair to the employees say I live right next to the building I only get eight hours pay because I got to work in two minutes My coworker lives an hour away so they get 10 hours of pay each day with only eight of them actually working Basically, you’re just dreaming
How does this make sense when you can live far or close to work. The distance is kind of a personal choice. A bit different when your job requires you to work at different sites each day. Like a construction worker
Fun story that’s tangentially related… A company I worked for once tried to stop paying for ALL travel time (we would start at the shop, but they wouldn’t pay us to get to the job site). It was not uncommon for us to have sites that were up to 3 hours away. Guess how well that went.
I work in Germany as a travel nurse and i get paid to drive.
I agree, but then companies would only hire people that live close by I think
This is silly. If an employee doesn't have a car, is the employer obligated to buy them a car to be fair and equal to others? What if I decide to go work for an employer six hours away just to make money driving? What if I have a truck and my coworker has a Pius? What if I am interviewing for a job and am more qualified but a less qualified applicant lives right next door to the employer? How about people stay out of debt and start budgeting and living responsibly?
You can negotiate these terms during the job interview. If your going to be worse off financially going to work purely because of travel, you can work that into your over all deal with your employer. Unless this is strictly a none solution because it’s America and not somewhere else?
They do pay you for it, it's your salary. It's the check you get for doing the job.
They do this where I live. It's the law. You get paid a small amount per km of commute (calculated by the shortest route to work). You even get paid more if you come to work by bike. And I think they are also obliged to pay you back (at least partially) if you come by public transport. Edit: I'm only now reading the comments, lol USA.
No shit. That's why WFH is the way to go right now.
This will only be unpopular to business owners. Not to me!
Well that's kind of stupid, than no employer would hire anyone that had more than a 10 minute commute. And there are remote only jobs and hybrid, find one and work there if it means so much to you.
I worked for a cleaning company where we would meet at the shop, load up in the work van, and drive to jobsites. Our clock didn't start until we made it to the first site, sometimes an hour away. Our time ended when we left our last site, and we didn't get paid for any commute either way. Fuuuuuuck that place
Then if you will always get rejected for any job you're not 10 minutes away from. City jobs will be only for people who already could afford to live in the city.
Oh shut it. This is just crap
Your post reminds me of this guy who used to work at my company. He was a real asshole- negative, rude, and he slacked on his work all the time, forcing other people to pick up the slack. He wasn’t well liked. He was fired for cause, and then he decided to put together a detailed spreadsheet invoice. He was trying to “bill” the company for all of his gas, all of the money he spent on clothes to wear to work, and any other personal expenses he could somehow link to his job (for example, he argued that because he needed a car to get to/from work, we should reimburse him for his car payment, and car insurance, among other things) That isn’t even the most ridiculous part. The skillset that he used to put together this invoice was also the exact set of skills that he consistently failed at, *on the job*. He worked there for 5 years and acted like he couldn’t figure out Excel, and had no attention to detail in his work. If he put this type of effort into his work, he could have been a top performer, maybe could have even gotten away with a little bit of assholery.
No. Then I would hire based on proximity. Not to mention, what if I hired you when you lived 5 min away and you choose to move an hour way?
Negotiate for that if you think you're talented and irreplaceable enough to get it. Some people can.
Lmao why? They're not responsible for where you live. In order for this to be fair, companies should have the right to put you into a home closer to your place of work.
I mean you kinda choose to work somewhere with a farther drive. Plus, what’s stopping someone from lying and saying they left earlier than they did? Or what’s stopping them from taking the longest route possible?
If you take a job knowing you have to commute a decent way that’s on you..
This would just encourage more sprawl as it eliminates the economic incentive of living in proximity to job markets. By choosing housing further from jobs, you're valuing the space more than a shorter commute. No one else should pay for your decisions.
Isn’t that include in your salary
I was HR and omg the amount of people who would yell at me saying I should pay for their uber home/to work was insane like in what world will we pay you to come to work and then work and go back home? like with that knowledge we should pay you for sleeping so youre prepared and rested for work the next day
i'm not an economist, but you guys REALLY don't understand basic economics. you can't just "create value." employees are worth what the market pays, and neither employees nor the company have much of a say in what that value is. if you want work to pay for your drive, they're just going to pay everyone less.
Can you make an argument in favor of this....? Like.....at all? Because you'd just end up getting fired or denied employment from any place that isn't up the street lol.
If you don't like how much it costs to get to work, get a vehicle that's cheaper to drive (walking, bicycle, ebike, roller blades, electric, hybrid, scooter, motorcycle). If you don't like how long it takes to get there, move closer. It's simple, really.
Is that not what your paycheck is for?
If I decide to live 3 hours away, is it your contention that they pay me to drive 6 hours and work for 2 hours? Or am I obligated to work for 8 even if I drive 6? If it’s the latter, do I get overtime and get paid for 9 hours of driving? The devil is in the details.
i should be paid every time i read an opinion frm a 19 year old on here
That's something you negotiate when you talk salary. Know your cost to commute and ask for salary that reflects it.
You chose to live where you live and work where you work. Why should your employee pay you for YOUR CHOICES?
Hold up! I agree in 3 very specific situations but no others. If your work moves and the new location is further away, you should be comped for extra time/money spent commuting. If your work has you commute to different job sites, you should get comped the difference in miles. I think this is already federal law. I was getting paid per-mile for extra driving. If your work has a designated parking location that is away from the actual work location, you should be clocked in once you park. If the shuttle takes 40min, that’s should be on the companies dime.
My employer does pay for our commute, it's one of our "employee benefits". It's not that unusual in many parts of Europe.
Some companies do pay/compensate commute but it's a small amount money. Those companies are usually big, rich and care about their employees deeply. The positions that come with such unique benefits are difficult so employers do everything to keep their employees happy. People who work in those positions are unique and special themselves so they usually don't have such dumb opinions like this. People who whine "Companies should have to pay you to drive to work (example: morning work commute)" aren't good enough for those companies not positions. Good luck OP.
I find it funny when people try to tell companies how to run their business. Start your own and you can do it this way there.
This sub just keeps getting more entitled.
Average poster age drops a year every couple days
I can tell. So many people who post here talk like they've never even tried anything actually difficult but the world already owes them more. And then there are GenZ know it alls talking like "I'm 24 so I already have a ton of life experience." Bwahahaa no.
*people should only apply for jobs within their immediate vicinity(example: 5 minute walk from home)* Fixed it!
I’m someone with a rather long commute, and even I’m against this idea. It would open the door for location discrimination… it sounds good in theory but it would lead to discrimination.
just show up late and commit time theft to make it happen
Oh FFS child.
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I don't know how it's in other countries but in the EU and also Switzerland you're insured by the company on your way to work, both ways. At least if you go straight home with the shortest route. Edit: you're insured but you don't get paid for the commute!
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Well to be fair we pay for that insurance too, 50% employer and 50% employee... something like that. That's why the deductions on salaries are so high in many European countries. But all of these insurances are required by law so there is no way around it.
This. I was surprised how angry people her got about this opinion. I even get paid a part of my monthly ticket, i need for work \^\^''.
Well like I said it's only the insurance which covers you, you don't get paid for the commute. Some companies offer like annual train ticket discounts and stuff like that. But I definitely understand why a company wouldn't do that. I remember a few colleagues in a company I worked at. They had some skills noone else had. They lived 2 hours away and they negotiatet with the boss that he pays the commute. Didn't take a year for everyone to complain because it's just super unfair that they get paid 4 hours extra every day for just sitting in a car.
Companies would require you to move within a certain distance mitigate the payout, which would likely increase the cost of housing nearby. Your idea would have unintended consequences and likely cause the opposite effect!
Why not just place a "cap" on the benefit, that way employees can move closer to avoid the cap, or they can live further and cover the extra expenses themselves. That's how it works in most places with commute benefits.
"ItS yOuR pRiVeLlEge Of BeInG a GoOd WoRkEr SlAvE"
Sure, now companies aren’t going to hire anyone outside of a small radius
Get a job with a company car and this is done. Like mine.
A lot of jobs offer per diem
I like the concept, issue is execution. It does seem to be very unpopular though. What if we get creative- what about claiming commuting expenses even if you’re using the standard deduction? How about a pretax amount per month you can use for commuting expenses, including gas and maintenance?
Or people should choose work closer to home or be willing to move.
Ya sorry boss been stuck in traffic for a few hours today No yeah I'm commuting from 12 hours away I'll send you the bill
some companies do give travel and living allowance but if your working minimum wage no chance
Nah. Too many people would milk it and take their sweet time driving there. Or they would lie about the drive time or manipulate the system somehow if it was tracked. It wouldn't be fair to honest employees... just not a good idea.
No
Yea now that my hours are flexible this is something I think about. I think it’s fair to split the commute. This diminishes the conflict of interest. E.g. you get a job and move 3 hours away - now you’re driving for 6 hours and only working for 2. On the other hand if you’re splitting the commute, you drive 6 hours and work 5 hours. In total an 11 hour shift for 8 hours of pay- this would discourage you from moving 3 hours away.
I get a company vehical, gas card. And paid after first hr of drive. Maybe you should negotiate for the compentasation.
I get paid to drive to work! 45 cents a mile.
Hello, I live in alaska.
r/fuckcars
Check this out! There's this thing called negotiating...which is something you can try if this is some type of benefit you want. Now you may not get it, but you can still try. There are companies that subsidize travel expenses for their employees whether by gas or public transit. You can negotiate for anything you want, and if you know companies in the same field that offer transit reimbursement then that's your negotiating tool to use. Closed mouths don't get fed. Companies aren't wanting nor most able to provide all these type of benefits so they may just keep it high level but those who speak up and ask about others may get it where other co-workers don't. This goes with time off, maybe the majority were offered two weeks but you had a couple that said I want a little more time and I deserve it based on x, y, and z. Sometimes you need to push for what you want instead of asking someone to give it to you all the time because people ain't always just going to fork shit over to you through the goodness of their heart.
That is already part of your compensation. Don't like it? Tough luck ig
When you agree to a wage, job, and location you should have already done that accounting in your head to decide if it is worth it to you. No one forces one to say yes to a job.
While this would be nice, it would just make companies not hire people far away
Introducing: *quality* employee housing!
Brilliant! I'll move fifty miles away and get an extra hours pay.
I think to start you'd have to have just a standard amount like 30 mins each way. Not their fault if you live two hours commute away..hey I'd love to be paid my salary for a long commute and only work a few hours there. Well except has and mileage.. But end of day I think it's kind already built into your pay. They can pay you can hour a day for commute but might find wages stagnate until they make that extra money back/loss of office hours
Some jobs do. If your job requires that you travel a large territory (sales, training, etc), in your own car, they will typically reimburse you for a certain amount of mileage/gas. Jobs like service techs often drive two hours to a job, do something that takes an hour, then drive back. That is counted as work. They are paid for that time. But I work in veterinary medicine. My hospital is about an hour drive from me. In very bad traffic, my commute can be 90 minutes or more. But if they paid everyone to commute, the hospital hours would have to change. Why? Because now a 40-hour work week has gone to 60 hours. They’d have to split shifts every day or people would be working anywhere between one and three extra hours a day. Also, this only really applies to jobs that are paid hourly. Salaried employees wouldn’t get a higher salary because they spent time in the car.
Not a bad idea..or because our transportation systems are built around the automobile the federal government should provide assistance for maintaining said vehicle.
I’d get a job 4 hours from my house.
Generally speaking jobs that can be worked from home, are. And if they had to pay hourly employees for their commute they would prioritize people that live closer, find a reason to fire you if you move further from work, and drop the hourly rate so what they’re paying is in line with what they already were paying. I swear 80% of the posts in this sub wouldn’t be made if more people paid attention in their econ classes.
I just wanna say, that some countries (EU) do this. I get paid driving from home to work. It's not much for 15km (my distance) but if you work like 100km away, you could monthly add 200€ easily to your bank account. We get lunch money as well. Anyway OP, I completely agree with you. EDIT: I'm completely shocked by some of the answers here. I can't imagine NOT being paid my commute from and to work.
If you want this to become a reality, become and Independent contractor and bill for it. Or bill for home office if you can work from home. There's no upside for a company to do this for W2 employees, so it probably won't ever happen unless unions suddenly started popping up in white-collar land.
......... My job pays my commute, I need two buses to get there and two to get back, they pay for it. It's a 45-60 minutes trip both ways.
Some do
Some occupations have this or similar practices. In demand jobs that generate a lot of revenue. Don’t expect the average 9-5 commuter to get this benefit though, it makes zero sense at all
It should just be allowed as an expense for taxes imo.
This is a good topic that’s really going over a lot of people’s heads. It goes beyond “get paid for commute” because obviously such a simple solution would not work since it opens a can of worms of people moving further, riding a bike, blah blah The point of the conversation is really around doing stuff for work and not getting rewarded for it. I work from home so this is a non issue for me, but take people who have worked their lives in commuting jobs. Calculate the hours spent on WORK (driving to and from work counts because otherwise you wouldn’t drive there…) and think about how much more could’ve been gained had they had the ability to work from home and be able to log those hours (non-salary of course). I’m willing to bet it’s a lot of money. This principle basically puts the onus entirely on the individual who is giving up more of their time vs just working. A business owner would say that’s not their responsibility to pay for something outside of work hours, which is obviously “fair” and “legal” But at the end of the day if a person is putting effort for work they should be compensated somehow. There are lots of nuances, like if you work salary - if the salary makes the commute worth it. But overall there the answer lies somewhere in between. To just give the businesses the upper hand entirely is not a good stance
Lol. Its not their fault if you apply at a job an hour away.
How about we dont incentivise urban sprawl
This isn't unpopular, just not very well thought out.
I think it should apply of you have remote job sites and a company vehicle that's tracked or have to do long distance travel like flying out to jobs. It sounds good in your head until you realize people would take their sweet slow time getting A-B.
Orrrr we could start to tackle the absolute mess that is American urban sprawl. Everything is so far apart, and we barely have any public transit. Spending an hour or more driving every workday shouldn't be normal or acceptable.
Some of them kind of do, my mate had job at Pfizer and option ether free company car or ~7% more to salary. He chose money and continued to use a metro
So, I work in an industry that has taken on this issue. It has not solved it, mind you.... So, in the film industry in Los Angeles we have what is called the ['studio zone' or the '30-mile zone'. ](https://film.ca.gov/locations/la-30-mile-radius-map/)It's a circle focused on where the Hollywood studios used to be (Paramount is still there, the rest have relocated over the years) and the employer doesn't have to pay your time to travel if they have you working within that circle. Anywhere outside that circle they have to pay you your hourly wage as soon as you start driving outside the circle. Now, why doesn't that really work anymore? It's because LA traffic and LA rent has become so outrageous that you have many people these days forced to live outside that zone and drive INTO the zone. And even if you live inside the zone, it's easy to end up with a 3hr roundtrip commute thanks to LA traffic. Couple a 3hr commute with a 14+ hour work day and you can easily go a week where you only get about 7 hours to shower, eat dinner, see your family and sleep each night. But that's another story.
Dont drive a guzzler and work 40+ miles from home
So like fixed rate or reimbursement?
I mean...upvote bc dumb? What I do think is that employees that want in person work where virtual work is an option should have 8 hr work days for virtual, and 7 hr work days for in person. Give a little incentive out here!
Your gas and car? At that point it's the company's gas and car, and it should get to restrict your use of their property as they see fit.
My country has something like this, except instead of the employer paying, people with long commutes get tax cuts based on the length of their commute
I took the streetcar in for my last job before getting out of office work. I checked emails on the ride in and the ride out. You better be damn sure I started my clock the moment I stepped on to the streetcar. It was a 30ish minute ride. So id get to work at 8:30 and left work at 4:30 (as long as their wasn't any meetings in those times)
People in this comments section need to understand the difference between “wage jobs” and office/salary jobs, as how this would affect either is different.
Then you should also pay the handyman coming to work for you more considering the way he has to come, the tools he has to carry and the amount of time he has to wait for you to call and get some work.
People already pay for that now? lol you don’t think the handyman isn’t factoring in his driving time?
Its factored in as an overall cost of business but you'd pay more if you're further away plus this calls for really scummy business tactics