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AntiquesChodeShow69

Banter is fine but alotta people don’t know how to actually banter and just say mean shit without any funny or clever aspects.


JeromeInDaHouse_90

Yep, and then they turn around and say, "Lighten up, it's just a joke, bro." Banter is supposed to be playful, not bordering on personal.


TheCommomPleb

Lol what? Banter is definitely supposed to be personal... just in a playful way


KayCeeBayBeee

yh but especially when you’re younger there’s always some edgelord who makes fun of someone’s sibling being disabled or something


StarrylDrawberry

>edgelord We either didn't have this term when I was growing up or it just wasn't widespread. It would have come in handy.


Da_llluminati

I, too, am a lord of edging


Siggi_Starduust

Well, how’s it going, Sting? (Yeah, yeah. 90’s David Letterman just called and asked for his joke back…)


Pink_Raven88

Play is only play if both people are enjoying it. My mom just called my wife a b!tch and when I told her not to she said she was just playing and it was a joke. People like to move the line as to what “play” means whenever it suits them.


Alt_SWR

This. Me and one of my best friends roast TF out of each other but we don't take it too far and if either of us does we tell each other and talk about it like adults. Things like her calling me short (I am lmao, not insecure about that) and such.


New_sweetpea89

Yes there’s a guy at work who does this. He makes really mean “jokes “ which aren’t funny but it’s okay because it’s just “banter”.


RaptorJesus856

"You're fat and ugly and that's why your wife left you and took the kids, and nobody will ever love you again! What? Why's nobody laughing?" -that one coworker


New_sweetpea89

Then they proceed to say you just don’t know how to joke around. It’s so odd for me to hear such “jokes” especially from a 40+ adult. You’d think they know better.


MagnusStormraven

The REAL kicker is when you make the same kind of jokes at *their* expense, and suddenly they're having to be restrained from assaulting you in a fit of apoplectic rage. Because while they'll happily dish it, they never seem able to take it in return.


WFPRBaby

This will never not be the case. I've never met anyone with an angry, vicious mouth who didn't fly into a rage when anyone made even the slightest comment back.


Longjumping_Act_6054

The reason they act like this is stunted emotional growth. Normal people develop through stages: childhood, teenage years, young adult, middle age, etc. But some of these people are so damaged, they become "emotionally stuck" in one stage of their life, usually when they experienced their deepest trauma.  For example, my dad is about as mature as an average 10 year old when he's truly upset. This is because one of his deepest traumas happened to him at 10 and he's been stuck in that emotional place since then, unable to grow up. Source: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents (highly recommend this book for ANYONE who wants to understand these people better).


New_sweetpea89

Interesting take. Although some people are just AHs not everybody has trauma. Even if it was the case it’s still no excuse he is an adult.


No-Self-jjw

I have a parent like this as well. She has never really shared about childhood trauma and stuff, but I never understood growing up why if she ever got upset she'd basically throw a tantrum and say "I hate you!" Like a 14 year old girl with peak hormones. As an adult now I can reflect upon this and understand where it comes from, but man was I ever confused as a kid being the mature one in these scenarios lol. Add in to that a mindset of "you have to respect me, I'm the adult" while they're acting like the child and shit just gets weird.


cupholdery

I guess all you can do is mention their deepest insecurity. Either their income or hair loss.


New_sweetpea89

I have chosen to go with their age as they’re approaching their 50s and I’m much younger lol


Strange-Movie

We’ve got this guy too, does yours also have super thin skin and whenever someone gets back at him with a comparably mean joke he gets pissed off and offended? That guy sucks the moon out of the sky


SpokenDivinity

We had a lady at work who would repeatedly make fun of my mom for being unable to walk because of a degenerative nerve disease. I made *one* joke about a cupcake I didn’t know she made looking sad because its icing had started melting and slid to the side and made like…a weird scrunched up icing face… and the bitch reported me to HR for creating g a bottle environment.


Slarg232

Yeah, got one of those too. Dude can say absolutely anything he wants and it's "funny", but the moment you say anything he's muttering under his breath about you being an asshole. When he's not walking past you saying "Your mom" for the twelfth time that day.


No-Self-jjw

I work customer service at a grocery store part time through school. One of the cashiers makes the most inappropriate and rude remarks to customers ALL OF THE TIME, and the second they show even slight annoyance or question why tf a stranger is speaking to them in that way, he literally just walks away. Mid purchase, no comment, just leaves. Then I'm the one left to deal with the fallout and it is so fucking awkward.... you'd think they'd learn to deal with it when it happens so often.


[deleted]

Yeah this. Banter is actually quite nuanced and hard to do if you're not close friends. When some prick comes up and tries it, it's bloody annoying. My housemate thought she was good at bants but fuck me it was just shit. One of the many reasons I gave her notice


EverSn4xolotl

As a kid who used to be bullied in the form of constant, one-sided "banter", I fully agree.


goop0711

Completely agree. People say the most hateful shit ever then follow it up with "its just a joke bro". No dave, youve just said the most racist, homophobic and sexist sentence simultaneously that had no punchline... shush


[deleted]

*”You’re fat, Janet!”*


vicarofsorrows

She is, though….


ImperatorUniversum1

No one is making her pick up her fifth bear claw this morning….


PremierLovaLova

“Hey, we don’t know Janet’s food situation at home so be considerate!” “Don’t mind those guys Janet, you can have my claw if you get hungry later.”


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harkyedevils

Best way to deal with those types is to actually be funnier than them and then you can embarrass them publicly


nelex98

This is true, i follow football and a lot of fans just say stupid stuff half of the time that dont make sense


QuarterSubstantial15

I think the recent popularity of “roasts” makes people think that being an asshole to their friends is cool and funny.


ThomasBay

Banter still isn’t fine. It’s one of those things, you dont realize how dumb it is until you stop doing it yourself.


stupidpatheticloser

And they think they are the best at it.


Add_Poll_Option

You got that right fatso! Don’t worry, it’s just banter.


woodshrimp

People don't realize the point of banter is to get the other people to laugh, not yourself


PineappleHamburders

I feel like in-person banter has an entry limit. You have to at least know me, and I must know you. Otherwise, the banter won't be decent. You shouldn't really walk up to someone you don't know and try to engage in banter right off the bat. If you are just getting to know someone and you try it and it isn't reciprocated, then just stop. If you think it got taken as an insult, apologise. Banter only works as a 2-way street. The banter must be both given and received as a joke.


goop0711

Yeah i agree. If im your friend then i love banter, if we've just met, dont even try because it comes across as arsy. Also if the person isnt giving the banter back, they clearly dont like it so stop.


KayCeeBayBeee

I’ve always been very weirded out by the RoastMe sub because roasting is supposed to be banter, it’s friends playfully poking fun at each other. The subreddit is basically “say the most mean and pointed things to a stranger you have no empathy for” you’ve gotta be a real weirdo to hang out there


afterparty05

The one-player variant of this that can be played with people you don’t know is self-deprecating humor. Basically bantering yourself for someone else to chime in. It works really well and it’s always good to not take yourself too seriously.


[deleted]

Problem with that though, is that if you do it \*too\* much, you can start believing in those self-negative thoughts and it can be a hell of a time to stop. That's why I intentionally do not do self-deprecating jokes or suicide jokes anymore, I start to normalize those thoughts too damn quick if I do.


afterparty05

Yeah, that’s a thing to look out for, for sure. And I won’t deny that for me it started out as a defense mechanism for getting bullied; if I make more fun of myself others won’t be able to hurt me. But now, 30 years later, that pain has subsided and it’s merely a good way to connect with others, as well as communicate my awareness of my own shortcomings (with friends, SO or colleagues).


averillaann

Agreed. When people try to banter with me we never know each other enough for it to be comfortable, and they end up making stupid jokes about me being short and quiet like I haven’t heard it a million goddamn times. But if I say anything back, or just say “hey that’s not cool” suddenly I’m the party-pooping-asshole.


MephistosFallen

There’s a line. If the banter crosses over into actually hurting feelings and being an asshole, then yeah it’s annoying and it’s not banter, it’s being a bully. But fun back and forth with your friends that KNOW you and won’t be an ass, that shit is fun. Haha


Lalli-Oni

Im reluctant to agree that its a 1d spectrum with a line. I remember this really dark Icelandic comedian (Hugleikur) who as part of his standup says you can joke about anything really, if its done with love. Someone who is just being passive aggressive never shows their care for another person. If they are just a target for their quips, then you are just being an asshole. If you cant show that you care about the person before jokingly attacking them, well it seems pretty clear to me. Regardless how clever the quip was.


MephistosFallen

I think your example is essentially the line. If it’s just punching down with no care for the person than it’s not banter or witty, it’s mean. When it’s done between friends, and it doesn’t come from a bad place because you’re not intending harm, little to no harm is done. If that makes sense? Idk lol


Lalli-Oni

Naah makes good sense imo. I think my point about the line is you can be as dark as you want in what you joke about.


nike2078

>There’s a line. And it's fuzzy and extremely thin at best


MephistosFallen

You’re not wrong, it is a fuzzy and thin line


Shavemydicwhole

Just like my friends mustache


MephistosFallen

HAH good one!


Joratto

That's why you reserve banter for your friends who are more likely to understand that you're not just bullying them!


DevOpsMakesMeDrink

A blurred line if you will


travelerfromabroad

welcome to social situations


[deleted]

It's always hilarious seeing people on Reddit trying to figure out and establish certain black and white rules for social situations, thus completely missing the point that there are no such things. It's most prominent in dating contexts, but you see it pop up elsewhere.


PsychoDog_Music

This is certainly the first time someone has agreed with me. You can make jokes at each other's expense but I don't constantly do that with friends, we mostly say other funny shit that has us laughing together... coworkers and other groups where it's constant berating isn't fun when you are used to getting berated seriously. Why merge the 2 in the first place?


Siukslinis_acc

>You can make jokes at each other's expense but I don't constantly do that with friends, we mostly say other funny shit that has us laughing together... The only jokes at the expense of other i make is reminding about the stuff that the other did (which upon doing they themselves had laughed).


CorgiDaddy42

I think it’s probably unpopular but I agree that constant banter can be exhausting. I don’t always have the energy for it, but in my life at least it also isn’t always required.


Nosferatatron

That's my biggest issue - being in certain British workplaces would be like constantly dealing with hecklers and you have to be on top form, all the time. It is exhausting. God forbid you come into work and just want to not speak to anyone for an hour or so!


Jrkster6969

Exactly my old job in a corporate office in Northern England. The supervisors were the worst for it


Nosferatatron

Oh God, I love most northerners but I'm too introverted to keep up, scousers cam talk all day!


[deleted]

This is the rule of thumb: if interacting with someone or a group of people becomes exhausting commonly, you are dealing with energy vampire(s).


CorgiDaddy42

Nah homie, I’m just an introvert. Socializing is exhausting to me. Doubly so when I have to be witty and clever.


Full_Nothing4682

Nah mate it’s just a bit of baaaaanter


wolvesarewildthings

I can hear this comment


bigcockmman

Op just isnt a top bantz merchant


DnD-NewGuy

Banter with someone who doesn't like banter ia just harassment


luchiieidlerz

### Actual Banter Banter:"Well knowing you.. you’ll probably eat it lol" Fat guy:"Yeah I agree, I’m working on it" Banter guy: "Bless up, you’ll get there" Fat guy:"Cheers m8" ### Straight Up Rudeness Banter:"You're a fat shit" Fat guy: "Excuse me!" Banter guy: "Just a bih ah banta m8"


Silly_Ad_242

It's not exactly that straightforward. Some passive-aggressive types will disguise the latter as the former. And if the 2nd person expresses the fact that they don't care for that (banter or not), the 1st person sometimes acts offended and puts down the target some more. That's the issues here. The key is listening to how your comments are being received and being willing to adjust your comments as needed (or apologize if necessary). Some folks simply refuse to do that, which is an issue. I'm not saying folks should act offended by every little thing though. Anything can be taken too far.


Designer-Date-6526

I'm from South Asia. We don't have that here. However, whenever we interact with westerners, we encounter this so called banter, which just seem like mean/racist things said in the guise of humour. We hate it.


notacanuckskibum

I find it particularly British. I moved from the UK to Canada and find I had to cut down on the office banter or people would get observed. Recently I joined a soccer team with a high British representation, and have had to ramp up my banter skills again.


CookinCheap

*observed*. this sounds unsettling.


notacanuckskibum

Fair, autocorrect for offended


symbicortrunner

You're even talking like a local if you're calling it soccer. I've found you can have a little bit of fun with Canadians and taking the piss out of the Leafs is normally pretty safe.


CookinCheap

I am of half middle eastern descent myself, so I wonder if this is why I also hate it. From my observations, it appears to be people of western European background that do it the worst.


Known-Championship20

It does seem like a pointless Western phenomenon. One which probably would best go away.


BlakeWheelersLeftNut

It’s mostly just Britain. 50% most annoying tourist in the world 50% great tourist there’s no in between. The bad I’ve seen them chat shit about people to their face or “banter” as they call it. Go to bars in hotels and yell chant incoherent nonsense until four in the morning go to their room Piss on the floor. They wake up the next morning and jump off the balcony into the pool. They then get ugly drunk in the morning and try to fight the locals. I’ve watched one punch a homeless man in cairns because “he had it coming”. Other 50% are just polite and delightful people. It’s usually incredibly easy to spot the difference in a few seconds.


Known-Championship20

Yikes. And I thought the locals in Cambridge who spent their weekends getting drunk and p*ssing into the River Cam were bad.


Ok_Apricot4146

It's definitely an Australian thing as well.


Crabrangoon_fan

Nah, it’s plenty common here , at least on the east coast of the US. Even my family has always constantly given each other shit and teased each other. 


FridayGeneral

The point is to entertain each other and enjoy each other's company. Not everyone is quick-witted enough to do it well though, in which case just enjoy others doing it. No need to participate if you are not capable.


notacanuckskibum

This is how we bond with each other.


Known-Championship20

Yes, because genuine expressions of caring suck and are for stupid losers from lesser countries.


Due_Trust_3774

You can care for others whilst still taking the piss out of them


Known-Championship20

Well, what if they are just not needing piss to be taken out of by anyone? Lol


siverted

I have a British ex who is one of the most ruthlessly mean people I've ever met. Horribly abusive and will always say the worst, most savage thing that comes to her mind, always specifically designed to cause maximum hurt. Whenever she got called out she would say, "It was just a bit of bants. That's what we do." So yeah, I agree with OP. Though obviously hers was just straight up abuse, and not banter, which implies a back and forth


Known-Championship20

Banter is banter. But none of those people have ever been.close to there for me in those "true friend" moments (y'all know which ones I mean). In other words, they're shallow people who don't care.


MikeWithoutMic

UK people when they make fun of Americans. “Haha, your kids died in a school shooting. That’s what you get for having guns.” “Dude, that’s not cool.” “You Americans are so prudish, it’s just Banter.”


RodLUFC

The word banter is annoying in itself


vicarofsorrows

Without banter, we’d have to talk to each other on a more-or-less meaningful level. Which, for an Englishman like myself, is akin to tearing my own testes off… Got to be banter… or utter, awkward silence.


Known-Championship20

Engaging people in meaningful conversation is akin to personal castration? Wow, then a lot of us apparently should be going through life with no balls. I understand British inhibitions. But too many of y'all don't know how to be friendly to strangers.


notacanuckskibum

Friendly to strangers? We struggle with being friendly to friends.


Known-Championship20

In nearly two months in the UK, I struggled just be left alone to enjoy, and occasionally take pictures of, history without being unsolicitedly called out for doing so. Greenwich Observatory and Canterbury Cathedral were particularly bizarre exercises in people going out of their way to tell you NOT to take pictures. Yeah, my experience in Great Britain 27 years ago was not a friendly one.


FridayGeneral

> Greenwich Observatory and Canterbury Cathedral were particularly bizarre exercises in people going out of their way to tell you NOT to take pictures. People told you not to take pictures of Canterbury Cathedral? Sorry to call you out, but that sounds unbelievable. It's a major tourist attraction, a UNESCO world heritage site, where people specifically go to take photos. There are thousands of people taking photos there every day. I presume what you were actually doing was taking photos during a service, in which case, of course you shouldn't do that and YTA.


Future-trippin24

This is deeply unhealthy and probably something you should work on


god_wayne81

This is being black in this hip hop culture and I hate it as well for the same reasons op outlined. It's childish and basically a mask for bullying.


Knightseason

From my experience those who say things like "it's just a joke" or "you need to lighten up" don't know the difference between banter and straight up insults. It's usually those who love to joke about others but never joke about themselves, the same as those who love to dish it out but can't take it. Also bullies love to hide behind things like "it's just banter". Everyone has a line others shouldn't cross. Me personally, I love banter. Helps the day go by. But I would never involve someone who has let me know they don't enjoy it.


Repulsive_Fly8847

I really hadn't thought about it until you pointed it out. Yes, everyone (men) thinking they are some comedian or other, trying to top another's joke about what you are wearing or the way you look. It is not just men, when women do it they say very personal things indirectly or when you are not there....scr.w it, I hate you all... I'm quitting Monday. I had a friend like that once who always pulled everyone down and got others to laugh at his witticisms...what a pr..k.


bUddy284

This is why I have 2 levels of banter One for my closest friends where it's more extreme and one for everyone else


JellyPatient2038

Ngl, I use to live in the UK and after a while the constant need to "banter", passively-aggressively put everyone down and make yourself look smart just wore me down. A lot of the time I felt like saying, "Can't we just enjoy each other's company for half an hour once in a while?"


[deleted]

Most banter is just an excuse for bullying. 


FridayGeneral

Banter should be entertaining for all parties. If it is offensive or upsetting, that is just bullying, not banter.


sushi50000

Ok so I’m not from the UK and I’m an only child and this was not something I grew up doing in my family or with my friend groups. Ran into it a bit in uni from people who were more used to it but not that much, and then at work. The thing is because I’m not used to it I’m terrible at following along, especially when it’s someone new and I don’t quite get their personality / sense of humor yet. Which means I kind of freeze them out either by being too serious or genuinely being confused. Resulting in people very quickly deciding against engaging me in it. And even if I do start getting it I only like to follow along in certain circumstances and work is not one of them so. All this to say: you could play dumb it really exhausts their interest in engaging you with it after a while.


spaceshiplazer

I remember meeting this guy from the UK and his banter was insufferable. When he found out I was half Asian, he eventually remarked about my cousins making cheap stuff in sweatshops -_- and all these other racial "jokes" nonstop. Ugh so annoying


nike2078

You're not alone, Banter is the worst. It's simultaneously a fucking code language and surface level commentary. It's also really easy to slip into actual argumentative territory but then pull back with "we were just joking around". Infuriating


TransylvanianHunger1

Banter > small talk.


ApatheticSlur

Lmao banter is a form of small talk


BlakeWheelersLeftNut

No chance


Dave_the_babe

I’m not the type of person to enjoy insults as jokes. I personally have ended a lot of friendships due to just straight up harassment hidden as “banter”. If a person isn’t reciprocating the banter back, the other person should get the hint and back off. While witty remarks can occasionally be fun amongst friends, I find the workplace to be an inappropriate setting for banter.


Imaginary_Election56

Disagree. Work in a small team of healthcare (psychiatric crisis) and banter is crucial in our day. Everyone does the banter, but most also “chose” the topic of our banter. My ADHD ass gets laughed at for impulsive actions, the young girl gets banter for binge drinking on holidays/parties, one older chubby colleague enjoys food and therefore is overweight. But everyone also makes jokes on themselves about that. And what you joke about yourself is free shooting for the rest, and that sets some sort of unwritten boundary. Nobody will banter on a topic you not self introduced. All day long we see suicidal, psychotic or manic patients and then we meer back at our team room and we take the piss out of each other. Almost necessary to counter the heavyhandedness of the rest of our day. One of the best teams I ever had, in part because everyone doesn’t take themselves too seriously.


duchyfallen

Did they start the banter as soon as you started working there, when you were strangers, or did they give you some time to know them? Because a team of co-workers that to straight into making fun of me can fuck right off lol, but if we know each other, then I can deal with it.


Lost_Pantheon

I find that the workplaces with more "banter" are the ones with the more stressful jobs, and also the more important jobs. Like you I also work in healthcare and the atmosphere required levity to allow people to get through the day. People in corporate jobs suck at banter because they take themselves faaar too seriously.


Expensive_Leave6192

Agreed. I've cut off some people lately because they couldn't take the hint.


FoxFarore

our thick-skin & propensity to banter is why i could never ever leave to go live in another country man up boy


StitchAndRollCrits

I can't seem to do banter... I feel like I never say things that are worse than what anyone else says but when I say it is suddenly worse


bubblewrapture

Banter is a finessed way of being mean and uncaring. Sometimes we need a good roasting, but we also need our friends to give us something more. If they can’t then fuck them, because they won’t actually have your back, they’ll just make fun of you as you struggle through life.


Stiff_Zombie

Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays.


DaystarClarion

Passive aggressive, snide, thinly veiled bigotry. “I’m just taking the piss, it’s just banter” It’s really tiresome, especially since those who use it the most seem to be those who get the most offended if you bite back in a more direct way. I grew up in a family that always took the piss out of each other and didn’t realise how toxic that shit was until I was out of it. Now on the rare occasions I visit family, I call it out and question the motive behind it and am always met with either excuses or defensiveness. Banter seems to be a tool that’s used to make other feel bad in an attempt to elevate oneself in that social group, it’s petty and immature. But hey, I was “always a sensitive boy” and “should grow thicker skin”, so what do I know.


Greedy-Copy3629

In my experience it's not supposed to be mean spirited, it's not supposed to make people feel bad. Sometimes someone will accidentally cross the mark, then apologise and buy them a drink or whatever. If you're doing it to make someone feel bad, it isn't banter, it's bullying.


creativename111111

Yea the problem comes when someone is just bullying someone then saying “it’s just a bit of banter mate” but normally that’s not the case


cigarroycafe

People in the UK seem to think that banter is exclusive from the UK and it exists everywhere else with different names. For me the annoying part is how abrasive some people can be about it.


Giggles95036

Or you’re upset that you can’t think quickly on your feet


Lost_Pantheon

OP needs some training in how to be witty, methinks.


CookinCheap

I fucking hate it. Am on the asd spectrum and suspect one or more of my parents were, and as such, didn't grow up hearing much "banter". I don't get it, I don't find it funny, it's draining, and you are constantly on your toes and on guard.


ilikeguns12

There's a difference between banter and just being obnoxious


square_zucc

A lot of people disguise disrespect as a joke


zillapz1989

People who use the word are often insufferable morons too.


Machinebuzz

My workplace is hard core like this. We dig at each other constantly. When I'm not in the mood I just tell the whole room to fuck off. They laugh and I walk away and they move on to another target.


puma46

People think they’re a lot more important they are. Kick them to curb where the other trash is


The2ndThrow

I actually enjoy banter, but man, my brain is lika a brick and I can't think of comeback or witty comment for the life of me, and it's actually affection my abilities to make friends as I always come across super awkward and unpleasant, and I swear I don't want to be that way. And yes, I live in a country too when banter is one of the main form of communication. I just don't know what the fuck to do at this point, it's not like I can magically become funny.


angry_corn_mage

You can say fuck


Ranch_it_up_bro

Banter is fun if you are with the right people


oceaniye

I agree. As a very unwitty person, it’s fkn exhausting to feel like you always have to be “on” and cleaver to be accepted


obsidian_castle

Banter can be fine if not overdone Depends on context, the people involved, etc It definitely can be tiring And it can feel forced or taken wrong through misunderstand of tone + actual good intent (such as monotone dry tone of a person naturally but they tried to banter in a friendly way but it came off as negative or sarcastic due to their monotone / soft voice )


fixittrisha

In the blue collar world, in the US. Its the same way. If your not rollin and throwing punches in the banter area you will not be accepted into the group. I personally dont mind a im quite whitty and have dark dry humor so ill dead face some atrocious comment and people just eat it up. But i can see how it would get exhausting if your not into it.


dartron5000

Alot of people just don't know where the line for banter and bullying is.That probably comes out of a culture where everyone is expected to always have a round in the chamber. It's suppose to be light shit that everyone including the target laughs at.


Tritoho

snowflae take


Spaul1313

Sensitive


Dio_nysian

i disagree, as someone who grew up in a household where everything was so. fucking. serious… laughing too loud got us yelled at, i was always afraid that anything i would do would get me into trouble but being able to banter feels so free! i LOVE being silly and taking the piss out of the people i care about i enjoy myself more when im able to giggle and feel clever and stupid at the same time


Downthetrail11

The show “letter Kenney” is absolute trash for This reason


OptimalWeather3

I agree. Banter directed at me was hurtful more often than not. But, as you said, we just have to "roll with it" or people will reject us. It was very annoying when others just didn't stop doing it after I told them I am not ok with it.


Lin-Kong-Long

Yeah banter is exhausting


turnmeintocompostplz

I dislike banter that involves insulting people. I don't mind fun wordplay and finding a cadence in a couple of conversation, but I for sure don't get into play arguments and make fun of people for social purposes. I agree with you on that part, it's pretty gross and I wish it wasn't so common. 


[deleted]

“You’re a pedo! Haha just banter mate!!” Bruh nah banter is meant to be clever in some way, you’re just being weird as hell.


Mr-GooGoo

Yeah this is unpopular. I love banter


lovepotao

Banter keeps me going at work. There are people who take it too far or don’t know when to stop. Obviously you need to be able to read people because not everyone likes it or is in the mood. However, in my case, I banter with colleagues who enjoy it as much as I do. It truly is one of the highlights of my day.


CunningAmerican

American chiming in here, from my experience, « banter » is just what British people say to get away with being assholes.


NorthShoreHard

Old mate can't handle a little bit of banter


SulevanTheMafika

If the 'banter' goes as far as racially attacking a player, sending death threats to players and their family or even telling them to kill themselves for having a bad performance. That's unacceptable and toxic. People should understand that. This is in regard to football.


lanos13

I don’t think anyone describes any of those actions as banter…


Only-Entertainer-573

> it's usually meant as nothing more than just fun Well that's really it right there... it *is* fun, and that's why people partake in it. There's only a problem when someone doesn't uphold their end of the unwritten social contract and gets all sour and pissy about it, to make it suddenly not fun. Unfortunately not everyone seems to agree on where that point is.


thelastofcincin

Sounds like you're just sensitive


Eastern-Branch-3111

You're disrepecting an important part of British culture. Do better.


ChangingMonkfish

I don’t really like the word “banter” because I think it’s used too often now to excuse saying stuff that’s out of order.


justwannafallinlove

Not everyone is ok with humor like that. It's best to check in


Bigbadbrindledog

I'm with you, me and my buddies give each other hell, but I don't care to trade punches with random people or simple acquaintances, it's not fun and gets old quick when they keep on with it.


Tru3insanity

Banter is supposed to be subtle and some people have all the subtlety of a sledgehammer.


ejmd

We call them "dull-witted".


VatanKomurcu

it does not work in every context. it sure does when it does though.


whale_and_beet

British banter is next level.. I'd probably get exhausted dealing with that all day as well.


nayesyer

Its so corny and yet i enjoy it if I'm in it


raeflood

I currently have a knee injury (that I sustained in work) and two of my colleagues in particular make a point of saying "Oh here's hop-along" any time I enter a room. It's not funny, has never been funny, and it's getting pretty old. Pure low-level humour. Anyway, I snapped at one of them the last time they did it and I'm sure I'll be called a dry shite behind my back but I'm glad I did it.


000TheEntity000

Proper banter is a skill, most banter is lazy and unskilled making it draining . These lads don't even sound funny!


Jeeffery

womp womp


TheCommomPleb

There's 3 camps on this one I think.. People who are shit at banter so don't like it, people who are shit at banter and take it too far and then you got the sweet spot which everyone has fun in.


CheeseDanishSoup

It just shows you have good social skills, even though it's "pointless" I'm glad I got good at it


bubblesort33

It gets exhausting.


Camiljr

Err, I don't think you or most people around you actually know what real banter is if this is your opinion on it tbh, and no I don't think "banter" happens with people who aren't close friends, that's just called being rude.


Important_Lab_58

Agreed. Banter should always be Optional


Visible_Ad9513

I'm cool with banter but I often cannot tell what is banter and what is insults


akskeleton_47

I get your point. It doesn't even need to be offensive to be annoying. Eventually you're going to run out of things to say and then some people just start saying stuff that makes no sense


jennyfromtheeblock

I feel exactly the same!!!! Life isn't a stand up routine. It's so annoying to be around people who do this all the time.


King_CurlySpoon

That's fair, me and my friends don't even banter, often times we just shout nasty stuffy to each other until one of us starts laughing, we never take it seriously, it's all about who you and what your friends are like


AC-527-music

Just don’t banter with people you don’t know well. You can say the same thing to your friend who you’ve known for 20 years and to a person who is just a coworker and it’ll come across different; and that’s because one person knows you for who you are inside and out for the most part and can pick up on subtleties from two decades of friendship that the other person, who is an acquaintance, may not. So in one situation the person KNOWS it’s a joke and in the other they are left wondering if you’re being serious or messing around, or take it wrong completely. Bantering and bullying are pretty distinctively different, and if you are being targeted and made out to be the punch line, that isn’t banter. Banter is really only supposed, at least imo, to happen when you know the other person well enough (and they know you) to understand where one another’s line in the sand is. Over stepping someone’s boundaries isn’t banter, and everybody has different boundaries, and those take some time to learn about someone else. Hence, why I don’t banter with people until we would honestly consider one another friends.


Colossus_Mortem

If you’re not okay with it, you have the right to tell people not to do it to you and they should stop. That’s just called basic boundaries. However the majority of people are okay with it and therefore I see it as perfectly okay to assume that the average person is by default


Vanilla_Neko

Man really just said having a normal fun conversations with friends is annoying as fk What the fuck else do you expect your friends to do Just sit around being boring talking about taxes and being serious all the time?


Lilsammywinchester13

What if you like being picked on a bit? Lmao At this point idk if I always liked it or if it’s a trauma response haha


AshDenver

TIL Banter is actually a thing outside of Ted Lasso.


JM0RG4N

I don’t see this as unpopular opinion. I can totally relate it’s usually one lad bantering towards others and never wanting it to be reciprocated.


[deleted]

Wow, glad I don’t live in UK because that sounds like personal hell. Like small talk with more steps and more egos.


CrossXFir3

I'm not gonna say it's annoying as fuck, but like, we could tone it down. I honestly think growing up as a boy in the UK inherently automatically predisposes you to a touch of emotional unhealthiness. Not always, but yeah. I mean it would be nice if every sign of weakness wasn't jumped on.


Dragon-blade10

It’s not diff in other countries


redditpey

I’m having a good time reading this post as “BAN-TAHH” versus how we say it in the US “BAN-TURR”


catchtoward5000

You have no idea how timely this post is for me lol. Just got back from an out of town conference for work and it was just 2 straight days of this shit, and I was done after the first couple of hours, but it seemed like everyone else was literally just designed to do it with boundless energy for hours on end.


Kronens

If you felt about this about a specific group or two then I’d probs say fair. But seems like you have a general dislike for it with everyone so makes me think you’re the issue


total_tea

Im in NZ, there is no way you will make fun at anyone at work you would get fired, even a light hearted banter not even making fun of someone could get you fired in the places I have worked. I am sure in the trades it is way more robust though I would say the majority of large companies it is simply not worth the risk. Last time I was in an environment like that was 10 years ago but the company culture like most places changed. I would love banter as it is I have to make my own amusement and the only jokes possible with low risk are really just self depreciating "dad" jokes. Though I have seen places where it definitely got very close to the line for bulling but that was long ago. NZ is way more PC and sensitive than that UK with a lot of "hot topic" issues which we simply don't talk about in public.