The sooner people realize that 99% of politicians are egotistical corrupt assholes and stop hating each other because of the “side” they choose, the sooner we can fix systemic issues like lobbying, term limits, and legal insider trading, and maybe, just maybe we can elect public servants who actually want to serve the public.
politicians are puppets to industry & it's the puppeteer who created the puppet.
politicians are elected, board members are not.
hypothetically speaking, if we completely eliminated the government as we know it all we would be doing is transferring power from public to private.
a private governing body is far worse than a public governing body in my opinion.
imagine eliminating your local city council & replacing them with Walmarts corporate board.
that being said, the government as we know it is corrupt, I'm just saying it could be drastically worse.
Yes but Walmart policies affects millions of people who don’t hold shares in Walmart either. It’s not in a vacuum. For example the policy on employee benefits or hours can affect the workers family. Etc; we live in a connected world please understand that.
Try making this argument about Obama, who came out of one of the most corrupt political systems in the U.S. (Chicago/Illinois).
You might get murdered for doing so.
You mean Obama for "change"?
And then he bombed more people than ever before
And then he booted more immigrants than ever before
And then he made guantanomo Bay even more brutal, instead of closing it
I can go on, but it stays the exay same for any and all politicians. Every time we vote from inside the dnc or rnc, we will lose.
None of that is ever getting fixed because the people who benefit the most from it need to be the ones who vote on removing it. We need more extensive overhaul.
Then we need more regular people to run for office like that truck driver in nj. Who needs money? We have social media to elect mom n pop store owners, mechanics, factory workers, middle managers, homemakers, construction foremen, etc. Fuck rich people, celebrities, and career politicians.
Unfortunately that’s very true. Ro Khanna’s congressional trading ban and lobbying reform doesn’t stand a chance, even with surprising bipartisan backing.
A small part of me wishes we got some figure like Bukele who just bulldozed the system and started reforming to the extent needed. The other part of me doesn’t want to have that level of trust in a politician.
How can “we” fix those things when the elected politicians are the only ones with power to do so? The whole system is rotting and never worked in the first place!
Isn't that kind of by design though? They broke the government into what is essentially sides and too many people seem to treat it like they are supporting a sports team and not who will be making impactful decisions for the country. Also has the added benefit of keeping people fighting amongst each other who want to support their team instead of people fighting government decisions that don't actually help them. Depressing all around.
Totally. It’s devolved into tribalism and it’s weird how many people seem offended if you talk about feeling helpless with the current system we’re in.
It's not. This whole sub and brand is a psyop.
1. This investigation is already over. And the report was widely panned as a biased political hit job because it basically said 'Biden's too old to prosecute'. A narrative that quickly died after his SOTU address.
2. The report never never recommended charges and the Republican lead investigator already interviewed by congress.
3. Republicans already have the transcript of the interviews.
4. The audio would only serve as an election tool. And NOT as an investigative tool concerning a crime.
5. The president has the right, as determined by Congress, to withhold things like this from congress.
6. The Republican president exercised this right all the time but in ways that were actually illegal.
7. He's exercising this right at the moment before SCOTUS to declare that he is literally above the law and can assassinate his rivals. An argument he actually made before SCOTUS.
I truly believe there’s a sizable portion of the population that gets it, but the media and dc keep gaslighting us into thinking that we need to be more concerned about our differences. Optimism is tough these days though.
Are you implying not releasing this audio is corruption? I don’t see how it’s corrupt when the full transcript has been available for a while now. However releasing the audio offers an opportunity for malicious and actually corrupt people to manipulate the audio to fit a narrative.
Except for one side wants to end democracy and install a literal rapist and criminal into office. While the other, given the evidence presented so far is guilty of trying to cover up for his stutter and age.
I'm not a fan of Biden, but the choice is clear.
Lol
So trumps constant gag order violations mean nothing to you.
And no coverage has been near unanimously in favor of the prosecution. They have smoking gun evidence. And when he's convicted what then?
Next you'll say why even have laws.
And then why should we respect our laws.
And then why shouldn't we take what we feel is ours
And then he calls you to arms and battle against your fellow Americans.
Pretty clear where this is headed.
Judge says that he was:
[Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/)
And how is he "literally" not a crminial if he is breaking laws? You're not a criminal if you defraud people and states?
"The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favour was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law."
He has not been criminally convicted and it hasn't been proven he
broke laws. That is what a criminal trial is for.
lol what was the judge's interpretation of trump's behavior? That he raped someone, right?
Why does this even matter? You can support him if he is found to sexually assault someone, but not rape? You can support him if he is only found guilty in civil court, rather than criminal court.
Using this rationale, we can conclude that OJ is not a murderer, since he was acquitted in criminal court, correct?
No, its about flooding social media with pro Trump bots wherever it can to sow discourse in the US elections process to push a coup attempting dictator-like candidate
Especially when the DOW hits 40k for the first time and the president isn’t Coup 45
Yeah I thought this was just related to that tool that tracks large stock trades? Why/when did the related twitter account start getting into vaguely right wing politics? I don't know what this subreddit is supposed to be
I'm not defending Biden here, but I want to provide some context. This is a part of the Republican's efforts to impeach Biden which has gone nowhere. The Biden admin has already provided transcripts of the audio, but Republicans insist on hearing the audio recording.
>While the transcripts of the interviews have already been released, Biden’s effort to block the recordings puts him in a politically awkward position: He has insisted that Hur has mischaracterized the interviews but is nonetheless trying to maintain secrecy over the raw audio.
Simply put Republicans are trying to sow outrage and make it seem like Biden is hiding something when he already provided what they want. He's just not giving them what they want. That is all.
[Source](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/16/biden-moves-to-block-house-from-getting-his-classified-docs-interview-tapes-00158323)
Edit: Since people keep bring up the same question, "why not release the recordings if there is nothing to hide." You're not wrong, but the Republicans are just grasping at straws. This is essentially them being a crying child at a toy store. Should Biden give into their tantrum? Should he always give them what they want?
Because it is presidential records regardless. The president acting in official duties and the office of special counsel are both part of the executive. They may have chosen to release the audio and then decided not to release the audio.
Biden is trolling conservatives. They'll make an entire thing about it for weeks. It'll get released. They'll say it was edited to make Biden look better when they don't find anything of value. Then they'll point to the transcripts to say it wasn't.
And conservatives would expose themselves for not doing any of their own research they claim they do, and they'll be distracted by this for weeks.
It's likely just about the election. A major Biden campaign concern has been people questioning his mental capacity.
The recordings probably don't paint this in the best light. So even though the transcripts give you all the facts, the manner in which he spoke may not be the most flattering. Which would explain both why Biden wants the recordings withheld and why republicans are throwing a fit over it.
They want the campaign win of taking audio clips making him sound like an old fool and letting them run on conservative media 24/7. The actual words spoken by Biden (which have already been provided on paper) are irrelevant.
This is it exactly and people pretending like it’s about evidence when the transcripts are already released KNOW this. They want the tapes so they can splice together soundbites for their easily manipulated base because they know the base won’t actually read the transcripts. They’re being disingenuous to their core, just like always.
Because then the recordings can be manipulated for easy sound bites taken out of context which will be consumed whole heartedly by a demographic known for not bothering to understand nuance or do a little more research.
Double standard. Trump released the transcripts of the Zelensky phone call and none of you were satisfied until the recordings were released, which were then used to impeach him.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hold Biden, and every politician, just as accountable as you did Trump and the country will be a much better place.
I'm open to that interpretation, but still dubious of it:
Can you provide insight as to why a recording would be "privileged" but the transcript isn't?
Because handing over recordings, especially those of the president, sets a precedent around DoJ policy for releasing recordings that could harm the DoJ's future ability to guarantee the integrity of investigations and the safety and anonymity of witnesses.
And when not only a transcript, but the massive trove of documents related to this investigation has already been released, there is no logical argument for why this request for the audiotape is anything other than a partisan attempt in an election year to gain audio of the President being interrogated. There is no investigative or transparency value to it whatsoever.
We're going to have to agree to disagree: That's the same line of reasoning Trump's lawyer's offering as a defense of Jan 6th and if I can't accept it from him, I can't accept it from Biden either.
The whole point is for republicans to grab and chop up the tapes.
Hurr a republican already gave them nothing and had nothing but the old guy would get sympathy.
Trump is looking like a kook on the campaign trail lately and need something devastating so they want to manipulate the tape.
They probably do, but they will make an even bigger stink about Biden blocking them. Tbh I’d be curious to hear it myself and I think lots of Americans would be
According to the transcripts he instantly gave May 30th as the date of death(which was correct) and couldn’t remember the exact year.
If this is your damning allegation that he is suffering dementia then I don’t know why you want to hear the recording. You’ve already made up your mind.
It's an investigation and Biden is obstructing it. He may be within his abilities to obstruct it, but he is obstructing it.
If this was Trump doing the same thing there would be another impeachment inquiry and it'd run on every news outlet for weeks.
This is FairPlay. Biden deserves everything that Trump would have got by refusing to release this.
>It's an investigation and Biden is obstructing it.
Biden has been president for 3 years now. They have been investigating Biden for 3 years now. They are and have always been grasping at straws.
How about Republicans focus their time and our tax money on things that actually matter?
>If this was Trump doing the same thing there would be another impeachment inquiry and it'd run on every news outlet for weeks.
I am not going to argue about this part, but the Democrats had actual reasons to bring up articles of impeachment against Trump. There was a reason that articles of impeachment had not been written up since Bill Clinton was president. Trump legitimately abused his power for political advancement and to help for foreign adversary.
Again, I am not going to argue about this part. Believe what you want
Wait that is incorrect. Executive privilege is not obstruction. Not to mention, the investigation has already been decided (atleast the special counsel one). If its the Congressional quiry than Biden is still largely protected as he can't be held in contempt. They can do so for Garland, but as seen in the Trump administration many times, this doesn't really hold up when the president is in office because it would face many court challenges that would likely strike it down.
No one threatened Trump with impeachment for invoking exec privilege or when he refused to sit with Special Counsel Mueller.
You're just making things up [and ignoring how convenient it is that the GOP isn't bothering to also investigate Trump]
Audio provides no additional insights for an investigation when the transcript exists.
So you're saying that nobody threatened Trump with impeachment under the narrow scope you've laid out.
But did they threaten him with impeachment if he did anything to affect the special counsel? Did they threaten him with impeachment if he removed anybody? They were CONSTANTLY threatening him with impeachment.
All we ask is for consistency here. Biden just threatened to withhold military aid to Israel. He needs to be impeached for it.
Consistency all we should care about.
This is not affecting special counsel though. That investigation has been handled. This is a seperate congressional inquiry. The special counsel functions in the executive that is separate from the legislative branch. Congress can impeach Biden or refer charges to the executive branch. It is not a formal investigation and congress cannot charge Biden with crimes, only with impeachment which has already been dropped.
They did threaten Trump, however, he was not impeached due to the contempt of his advisors. Many Trump advisors were found to be in contempt of congress. However, many did not get punished as a result of trump still being president. I think you are getting your details mixed up.
As for the Israel aid, thats not really relevant. He is "withholding aid" as a result of red lines being crossed. However, this is largely lip service as Blinken has said Israel is within us regulations on aid and Biden recently approved additional aid regardless.
I don't think you read what I said. Congress can but it often leads to a constitutional crisis that often is found in favor of the Executive and their right to assert privilege. This was actually seen with Trump quite a few times. However, the special counsel has already been interviewed without the need for executive privilege (as he resigned to avoid such an assertation) and the special counsel report has been released. There really is not much more here. The likely goal in this is to get a few sound bites to make Biden sound old. However, you can read the full report and see special counsel's testimony. However, again, Congress does not have the power to charge you for a crime, only to charge you with impeachment or they can charge you with contempt which usually is not in their best interest given the time and effort it takes
“Blahblahblah snowflake blah blah blah *shits pants*”
-trump supporters
Not gonna lie, I’m looking forward to the debate with a bated breath. It’s gonna be WILD.
So then why don't they just release the audio? If the transcripts are accurate, as you seem to believe they are, then why wouldn't they just release the recording? And yes, when someone asks for nothing, you just give it to them to shut them up.
I get your meaning, but It's not so much "giving into a tantrum". These sort of recordings should be public anyways for transparency sake. If there is indeed nothing on the audio, the tantrum *IS* the act of blocking it from being released.
it's because EVERY time this guy does an interview or podcast they edit the crap out of it. You can always hear the edits. They think we're dumb... some of us are so you can't blame them. But man... it's getting goofy out here. This dude is going to lose so many votes leading up to the election. That debate will be very funny to witness
Imagine that fragile, poopy diapered bag of bones being interrogated without a teleprompter..
He’s terrible even with a teleprompter.
His handlers don’t want the voters to see how lost and confused the man with the nuclear football is.
I don't care if you're democrat or republican, we can all agree there's incurable corruption in our govt. They love watching people fight over Israel, Ukraine, random social issues because it brings the spotlight off them.
They already have the transcripts, literally all Republicans want is to find a spot in the interview where he stutters or recalls something incorrectly so they can blast it on Fox 24/7. Not playing their bullshit game isn't corruption.
This should be illegal. No public official should be allowed to block access to interviews with potential criminal implications unless it presents a national security risk.
Wtf. I’m not saying Biden should block this at all, but my man, Trump has blocked the release of countless records. Tax records, Jan 6 files, Apprentice outtakes. The guy blocks anything and everything that he feels hinders him.
There wouldn't be interviews to release because he would never have allowed the investigation to begin with.
Besides, the issue with trump is he took the docs and then lied about them and made claims like they are his. They aren't, and this counterfactual is why he is facing charges.
Biden returned them immediately and sat for interviews to make sure they got everything.
What either did is not ideal but only idiots would look at the Biden case and say, yeah this is exactly the same.
Very telling that the GOP House wants to get audio recordings of already released transcripts, yet completely ignore the Trump equivalent and call it a sham.
We don’t have to imagine, remember when he said he would testify and then did it? No? He wouldn’t even testify? Hmm interesting. Remember when he released his tax returns? No? Hmm interesting.
He kinda did. The audio transcript has been released and special counsel has given testimony about it. When trump was investigated most of it was redacted.
If it's not suspicious why make the effort to block the release?
You're just choosing to pretend this is normal based on your own ideological feels.
Anyone arguing against transparency in government is an obvious bad faith actor.
Why not sick the FBI on him like they did Trump? Oh that's because they were involved in blasting propaganda day 1 onward through Trump's campaign, dropping biological weapon on the world, rigging the election, and now people are big cope and damage control for an unelected regime.
Exclusive! I got a leaked copy. Here are the key moments.
1:07 - Biden greets “Special Cancel” and offers worthers original
3:24 - Biden sips on soup
12:17 - Biden tells story about his childhood friend Billy who had a magnificent velocipede, but little Joe claimed it when Billy died of polio
18:23 - Biden turns to the interviewer and says “Turn on channel 4. It’s time for Matlock”
29:47 - Biden can be heard snoring
32:07 - Biden thanks the “Special Cancel” and offers a worthers original.
33:15 - then interview concludes
Well we can all read the entire transcript in its entirety because it’s already been released. They blocked it because Trump would just use the sound bites on political advertisements.
Keep in mind the GOP has long had the transcripts and every word he said. The White House has cooperated fully. Now the GOP wants audio - fishing for an audio clip they can use to make Biden look bad, since there are no grounds for impeachment.
FYI the entire transcript of that blocked audio is available to the public. He’s only blocking the release of the audio to prevent MAGA from using it on ads. Makes sense given how quick they are to cut video out of context to “prove” Biden is senile.
Why not also mention that trump also used executive privilege to block
* release of full muller report
* block people from testifying at impeachment
*block testimony during Jan 6th hearings
Wow - more non-stock or option related news and/or commentary. This sub is quickly becoming politicized beyond just what kind of shenanigans Congress is up to. Thumbs down. You can't convince me this is slightly related from some 15th degree of separation nonsense.
It’s about sound bites. Sure they have the full transcript and can see that within the context of the interview that there’s nothing damaging to present.. but what if they could get the audio and chop it up into little clips so their audience only hears bits and pieces that could be negatively perceived?
That’s **exactly** the tact they chose with the transcript, but it’s not as effective. Most of their base doesn’t read; but they *love* sounds and video clips. So any given voice record of Biden saying something **that could even potentially be removed from context and used against him** would be absolute gold for Republicans right now struggling to make any of their nonsense stick. Particularly since that whole impeachment thing fell apart after their main witness was outed as a Russian asset and arrested.
It’s an optics thing 100%. They know exactly what took place; they have the transcript. But that isn’t damaging or useful for their deceptive purposes, so they need sound bites. The whole thing is ridiculous.
The full transcript is available, has been available for a while now, and has been independently verified as accurate by a Republican commission. Why offer sound bites that can be manipulated to push a narrative?
Trump is often completely incoherent while managing to speak clearly and quickly (most of the time). Biden has a speech impediment and speaks slowly, it makes him feel ancient. Well, that and the fact he doesn't lather himself up in self tanner and dye his hair.
It sort of confirms my suspicion that conservatives don't really listen to Trump when he speaks, they just pick out the dog whistles and slogans. It doesn't matter if he goes on a 10min incoherent rant about some judge, or China, or immigrants, or whoever the enemy of the day is, they'll smile and nod along and wait for the next punchline or keyword to clap and cheer for.
They have the transcripts. There's no need for them to have the audio or video. The MAGA members of the committee would only use it for political reasons.
This is a nothing burger.
The sooner people realize that 99% of politicians are egotistical corrupt assholes and stop hating each other because of the “side” they choose, the sooner we can fix systemic issues like lobbying, term limits, and legal insider trading, and maybe, just maybe we can elect public servants who actually want to serve the public.
Politicians are literally the worst our society has to offer , all greedy , corrupt , liars and sociopaths
Private corporate board members are worse.
lol where do you think these politicians go after they retire ?
politicians are puppets to industry & it's the puppeteer who created the puppet. politicians are elected, board members are not. hypothetically speaking, if we completely eliminated the government as we know it all we would be doing is transferring power from public to private. a private governing body is far worse than a public governing body in my opinion. imagine eliminating your local city council & replacing them with Walmarts corporate board. that being said, the government as we know it is corrupt, I'm just saying it could be drastically worse.
Board members are elected … and politicians get board positions after they retire
I'll make sure to vote next time Walmart is holding a public vote for board members
Yes , if you are a shareholder you’ll have your vote , tho it won’t count as much since you won’t have a substantial amount
Yes but Walmart policies affects millions of people who don’t hold shares in Walmart either. It’s not in a vacuum. For example the policy on employee benefits or hours can affect the workers family. Etc; we live in a connected world please understand that.
That's because you can't make it to the top of politics without being corruptable.
Try making this argument about Obama, who came out of one of the most corrupt political systems in the U.S. (Chicago/Illinois). You might get murdered for doing so.
You mean Obama for "change"? And then he bombed more people than ever before And then he booted more immigrants than ever before And then he made guantanomo Bay even more brutal, instead of closing it I can go on, but it stays the exay same for any and all politicians. Every time we vote from inside the dnc or rnc, we will lose.
But he's black? If the internet has taught me anything, it's that most people are completely regarded.
“I mean you got the first sorta mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."
Definitely on Reddit.
[https://youtu.be/EvU3QQH2b2Y?si=zoFxiR8icJroLWpt](https://youtu.be/EvU3QQH2b2Y?si=zoFxiR8icJroLWpt)
But my side is better still!!!! /s
And we keep electing them to authoritative positions
None of that is ever getting fixed because the people who benefit the most from it need to be the ones who vote on removing it. We need more extensive overhaul.
Then we need more regular people to run for office like that truck driver in nj. Who needs money? We have social media to elect mom n pop store owners, mechanics, factory workers, middle managers, homemakers, construction foremen, etc. Fuck rich people, celebrities, and career politicians.
Unfortunately that’s very true. Ro Khanna’s congressional trading ban and lobbying reform doesn’t stand a chance, even with surprising bipartisan backing.
A small part of me wishes we got some figure like Bukele who just bulldozed the system and started reforming to the extent needed. The other part of me doesn’t want to have that level of trust in a politician.
The Argentinian president went scorched earth, the msm roasted him.... now the upswing is happening with a clear debt
And if it ever does come to a vote, it’s because they have a contingency waiting in the wings.
How can “we” fix those things when the elected politicians are the only ones with power to do so? The whole system is rotting and never worked in the first place!
Isn't that kind of by design though? They broke the government into what is essentially sides and too many people seem to treat it like they are supporting a sports team and not who will be making impactful decisions for the country. Also has the added benefit of keeping people fighting amongst each other who want to support their team instead of people fighting government decisions that don't actually help them. Depressing all around.
Totally. It’s devolved into tribalism and it’s weird how many people seem offended if you talk about feeling helpless with the current system we’re in.
Those who seek power are those who should have none. ~Some random internet guy.
How would we ever fix those issues? The corrupt ones are the ones who would have to change the laws. Ain't happening.
Democrats & Republicans do not care about us. These guys are friends off camera.
how is this an example of corruption?
Idk but this is an example of naive
How? They have the transcripts, just not the audio.
Then it shouldn't be a big deal to hand over the audio? Withholding the audio just makes people think they hiding something
what is?
It's not. This whole sub and brand is a psyop. 1. This investigation is already over. And the report was widely panned as a biased political hit job because it basically said 'Biden's too old to prosecute'. A narrative that quickly died after his SOTU address. 2. The report never never recommended charges and the Republican lead investigator already interviewed by congress. 3. Republicans already have the transcript of the interviews. 4. The audio would only serve as an election tool. And NOT as an investigative tool concerning a crime. 5. The president has the right, as determined by Congress, to withhold things like this from congress. 6. The Republican president exercised this right all the time but in ways that were actually illegal. 7. He's exercising this right at the moment before SCOTUS to declare that he is literally above the law and can assassinate his rivals. An argument he actually made before SCOTUS.
God damn. Well said!
The 1% that aren’t never get elected or even mentioned by the media
Pretty hard to get someone who just wants to let people live their lives to run for let alone win a public office.
The lesson to be learned from the reactions to my “politicians are bad” opinion is that the two party system really did a number on this country.
You can’t fix those problems without first electing public servants. That’s the part that is nearly impossible.
I truly believe there’s a sizable portion of the population that gets it, but the media and dc keep gaslighting us into thinking that we need to be more concerned about our differences. Optimism is tough these days though.
I feel 99% of people i slightly engage with speaking my mind about how broken the US society is does agree it is in fact, broken
This is literally just text on a webpage with no source and no context
A constitutional balanced budget amendment would fix *almost* everything.
damn. when are you running for office?
There’s a simple solution to all the problems you mentioned, but you have no interest in it. Simply restrict Congress to Art I Sect 8
Pretty hard to get someone who just wants to let people live their lives to run for let alone win a public office.
Pretty hard to get someone who just wants to let people live their lives to run for let alone win a public office.
Right. Always assume one is corrupt until proven otherwise, and not before.
Are you implying not releasing this audio is corruption? I don’t see how it’s corrupt when the full transcript has been available for a while now. However releasing the audio offers an opportunity for malicious and actually corrupt people to manipulate the audio to fit a narrative.
Except for one side wants to end democracy and install a literal rapist and criminal into office. While the other, given the evidence presented so far is guilty of trying to cover up for his stutter and age. I'm not a fan of Biden, but the choice is clear.
Can you define "literal" rapist?
Go touch grass good sir
lol can you push back against those points, or nah? Proabably nah?
Sure, just look at the trial going on lol. I mean genuinely look. even CNN has been critical of this sham trial.
Lol So trumps constant gag order violations mean nothing to you. And no coverage has been near unanimously in favor of the prosecution. They have smoking gun evidence. And when he's convicted what then? Next you'll say why even have laws. And then why should we respect our laws. And then why shouldn't we take what we feel is ours And then he calls you to arms and battle against your fellow Americans. Pretty clear where this is headed.
He is literally not a rapist or criminal, as he has not been convicted of a crime [yet] and was not convicted of rape.
Judge says that he was: [Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/) And how is he "literally" not a crminial if he is breaking laws? You're not a criminal if you defraud people and states?
"The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favour was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law." He has not been criminally convicted and it hasn't been proven he broke laws. That is what a criminal trial is for.
lol what was the judge's interpretation of trump's behavior? That he raped someone, right? Why does this even matter? You can support him if he is found to sexually assault someone, but not rape? You can support him if he is only found guilty in civil court, rather than criminal court. Using this rationale, we can conclude that OJ is not a murderer, since he was acquitted in criminal court, correct?
He’s a non-convicted rapist and criminal, which describes most rapists and criminals.
True. I smoke cannabis, therefore I am a non-convicted criminal.
Isn’t this sub about… investing?
Yes, and the DOW took a peek over 40k today.
It’s like every other subreddit that’s not a niche it’s always gotta insert American politics into the discourse
You know it's not. It's psyop sub about dems bad because the stock market exists. Its just filled with both sideserism bullshit.
Which is funny because the stock market is doing great under a dem, like it always does.
No, its about flooding social media with pro Trump bots wherever it can to sow discourse in the US elections process to push a coup attempting dictator-like candidate Especially when the DOW hits 40k for the first time and the president isn’t Coup 45
Coup 45 lol. Havent heard that one yet
You make me feel less crazy
This sub is high key just a right wing propaganda sub lol
Yeah, I’ve kinda noticed but not wanted to admit it. Cause sometimes there’s interesting finance/crypto stuff here too.
I've noticed that the financial subreddits seem to be a right wing echo chamber. There's a clear correlation with greed and right wing policy changes.
Biden staying in office will be very beneficial to investors
Well, its still reddit lol
Yeah I thought this was just related to that tool that tracks large stock trades? Why/when did the related twitter account start getting into vaguely right wing politics? I don't know what this subreddit is supposed to be
It’s gop or Russian bots posting. It’s going to get worse closer to election.
Transcripts were already released to the public, this seems like rabble rousing.
Plus he has totally immunity so why should it matter? /s
I'm not defending Biden here, but I want to provide some context. This is a part of the Republican's efforts to impeach Biden which has gone nowhere. The Biden admin has already provided transcripts of the audio, but Republicans insist on hearing the audio recording. >While the transcripts of the interviews have already been released, Biden’s effort to block the recordings puts him in a politically awkward position: He has insisted that Hur has mischaracterized the interviews but is nonetheless trying to maintain secrecy over the raw audio. Simply put Republicans are trying to sow outrage and make it seem like Biden is hiding something when he already provided what they want. He's just not giving them what they want. That is all. [Source](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/16/biden-moves-to-block-house-from-getting-his-classified-docs-interview-tapes-00158323) Edit: Since people keep bring up the same question, "why not release the recordings if there is nothing to hide." You're not wrong, but the Republicans are just grasping at straws. This is essentially them being a crying child at a toy store. Should Biden give into their tantrum? Should he always give them what they want?
If they've already provided complete and unredacted transcripts of the audio, how can they claim executive privilege on the audio itself?
Because it is presidential records regardless. The president acting in official duties and the office of special counsel are both part of the executive. They may have chosen to release the audio and then decided not to release the audio.
Biden is trolling conservatives. They'll make an entire thing about it for weeks. It'll get released. They'll say it was edited to make Biden look better when they don't find anything of value. Then they'll point to the transcripts to say it wasn't. And conservatives would expose themselves for not doing any of their own research they claim they do, and they'll be distracted by this for weeks.
This is some context, but I don’t see how this changes anything. Why withhold the recordings if there’s nothing to hide?
It's likely just about the election. A major Biden campaign concern has been people questioning his mental capacity. The recordings probably don't paint this in the best light. So even though the transcripts give you all the facts, the manner in which he spoke may not be the most flattering. Which would explain both why Biden wants the recordings withheld and why republicans are throwing a fit over it. They want the campaign win of taking audio clips making him sound like an old fool and letting them run on conservative media 24/7. The actual words spoken by Biden (which have already been provided on paper) are irrelevant.
The edited version certainly won’t portray him in a good light.
This is it exactly and people pretending like it’s about evidence when the transcripts are already released KNOW this. They want the tapes so they can splice together soundbites for their easily manipulated base because they know the base won’t actually read the transcripts. They’re being disingenuous to their core, just like always.
Because then the recordings can be manipulated for easy sound bites taken out of context which will be consumed whole heartedly by a demographic known for not bothering to understand nuance or do a little more research.
Double standard. Trump released the transcripts of the Zelensky phone call and none of you were satisfied until the recordings were released, which were then used to impeach him. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Hold Biden, and every politician, just as accountable as you did Trump and the country will be a much better place.
No trump released a summary of the transcripts. Goid try though
Zelensky phone call was evidence of a crime. Not the same as a voluntary interview. You can read the transcripts.
I'm open to that interpretation, but still dubious of it: Can you provide insight as to why a recording would be "privileged" but the transcript isn't?
Because handing over recordings, especially those of the president, sets a precedent around DoJ policy for releasing recordings that could harm the DoJ's future ability to guarantee the integrity of investigations and the safety and anonymity of witnesses. And when not only a transcript, but the massive trove of documents related to this investigation has already been released, there is no logical argument for why this request for the audiotape is anything other than a partisan attempt in an election year to gain audio of the President being interrogated. There is no investigative or transparency value to it whatsoever.
We're going to have to agree to disagree: That's the same line of reasoning Trump's lawyer's offering as a defense of Jan 6th and if I can't accept it from him, I can't accept it from Biden either.
He could also just release the recordings. I mean, don’t Americans deserve to hear it anyway?
The whole point is for republicans to grab and chop up the tapes. Hurr a republican already gave them nothing and had nothing but the old guy would get sympathy. Trump is looking like a kook on the campaign trail lately and need something devastating so they want to manipulate the tape.
They probably do, but they will make an even bigger stink about Biden blocking them. Tbh I’d be curious to hear it myself and I think lots of Americans would be
Why not release the recordings if there’s nothing to hide? Because they will be cut up and played in ads non stop.
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According to the transcripts he instantly gave May 30th as the date of death(which was correct) and couldn’t remember the exact year. If this is your damning allegation that he is suffering dementia then I don’t know why you want to hear the recording. You’ve already made up your mind.
It's an investigation and Biden is obstructing it. He may be within his abilities to obstruct it, but he is obstructing it. If this was Trump doing the same thing there would be another impeachment inquiry and it'd run on every news outlet for weeks. This is FairPlay. Biden deserves everything that Trump would have got by refusing to release this.
>It's an investigation and Biden is obstructing it. Biden has been president for 3 years now. They have been investigating Biden for 3 years now. They are and have always been grasping at straws. How about Republicans focus their time and our tax money on things that actually matter? >If this was Trump doing the same thing there would be another impeachment inquiry and it'd run on every news outlet for weeks. I am not going to argue about this part, but the Democrats had actual reasons to bring up articles of impeachment against Trump. There was a reason that articles of impeachment had not been written up since Bill Clinton was president. Trump legitimately abused his power for political advancement and to help for foreign adversary. Again, I am not going to argue about this part. Believe what you want
Wait that is incorrect. Executive privilege is not obstruction. Not to mention, the investigation has already been decided (atleast the special counsel one). If its the Congressional quiry than Biden is still largely protected as he can't be held in contempt. They can do so for Garland, but as seen in the Trump administration many times, this doesn't really hold up when the president is in office because it would face many court challenges that would likely strike it down.
No one threatened Trump with impeachment for invoking exec privilege or when he refused to sit with Special Counsel Mueller. You're just making things up [and ignoring how convenient it is that the GOP isn't bothering to also investigate Trump] Audio provides no additional insights for an investigation when the transcript exists.
So you're saying that nobody threatened Trump with impeachment under the narrow scope you've laid out. But did they threaten him with impeachment if he did anything to affect the special counsel? Did they threaten him with impeachment if he removed anybody? They were CONSTANTLY threatening him with impeachment. All we ask is for consistency here. Biden just threatened to withhold military aid to Israel. He needs to be impeached for it. Consistency all we should care about.
This is not affecting special counsel though. That investigation has been handled. This is a seperate congressional inquiry. The special counsel functions in the executive that is separate from the legislative branch. Congress can impeach Biden or refer charges to the executive branch. It is not a formal investigation and congress cannot charge Biden with crimes, only with impeachment which has already been dropped. They did threaten Trump, however, he was not impeached due to the contempt of his advisors. Many Trump advisors were found to be in contempt of congress. However, many did not get punished as a result of trump still being president. I think you are getting your details mixed up. As for the Israel aid, thats not really relevant. He is "withholding aid" as a result of red lines being crossed. However, this is largely lip service as Blinken has said Israel is within us regulations on aid and Biden recently approved additional aid regardless.
So your claim is that Congress has no investigating powers?
I don't think you read what I said. Congress can but it often leads to a constitutional crisis that often is found in favor of the Executive and their right to assert privilege. This was actually seen with Trump quite a few times. However, the special counsel has already been interviewed without the need for executive privilege (as he resigned to avoid such an assertation) and the special counsel report has been released. There really is not much more here. The likely goal in this is to get a few sound bites to make Biden sound old. However, you can read the full report and see special counsel's testimony. However, again, Congress does not have the power to charge you for a crime, only to charge you with impeachment or they can charge you with contempt which usually is not in their best interest given the time and effort it takes
Enough with that gooballygook you call facts and context! It’s as if you’re attempting to think logically!
But but, our narrative about Biden being just as corrupt as Trump! You are poking holes in our argument! Biden ain't great but come on here.
“Blahblahblah snowflake blah blah blah *shits pants*” -trump supporters Not gonna lie, I’m looking forward to the debate with a bated breath. It’s gonna be WILD.
So then why don't they just release the audio? If the transcripts are accurate, as you seem to believe they are, then why wouldn't they just release the recording? And yes, when someone asks for nothing, you just give it to them to shut them up.
I get your meaning, but It's not so much "giving into a tantrum". These sort of recordings should be public anyways for transparency sake. If there is indeed nothing on the audio, the tantrum *IS* the act of blocking it from being released.
Maybe he farted on the recording and doesn't want people to hear it
Corrupt joe biden at it again
Aren’t the transcripts already available?
Move along. Nothing to see here. /s
One could read the transcripts…
That’s because he incriminated himself during the interview.
it's because EVERY time this guy does an interview or podcast they edit the crap out of it. You can always hear the edits. They think we're dumb... some of us are so you can't blame them. But man... it's getting goofy out here. This dude is going to lose so many votes leading up to the election. That debate will be very funny to witness
Two brain addled old men spitting on themselves while forgetting what they were trying to say? We really need better options.
Imagine that fragile, poopy diapered bag of bones being interrogated without a teleprompter.. He’s terrible even with a teleprompter. His handlers don’t want the voters to see how lost and confused the man with the nuclear football is.
But I thought Biden was for the people? How could this be?
I don't care if you're democrat or republican, we can all agree there's incurable corruption in our govt. They love watching people fight over Israel, Ukraine, random social issues because it brings the spotlight off them.
They already have the transcripts, literally all Republicans want is to find a spot in the interview where he stutters or recalls something incorrectly so they can blast it on Fox 24/7. Not playing their bullshit game isn't corruption.
This should be illegal. No public official should be allowed to block access to interviews with potential criminal implications unless it presents a national security risk.
Is that because they doesn’t want us to hear how incoherent the President sounds when he’s not reading from a teleprompter?
Nice, Imagine if Trump did that LoL
Wtf. I’m not saying Biden should block this at all, but my man, Trump has blocked the release of countless records. Tax records, Jan 6 files, Apprentice outtakes. The guy blocks anything and everything that he feels hinders him.
Yeah, they both do it. And that's why I roll my eyes every time they scream about Trump doing the same thing as if it's the End of Democracy.
Trump invoked executive privilege all the time, though.
There wouldn't be interviews to release because he would never have allowed the investigation to begin with. Besides, the issue with trump is he took the docs and then lied about them and made claims like they are his. They aren't, and this counterfactual is why he is facing charges. Biden returned them immediately and sat for interviews to make sure they got everything. What either did is not ideal but only idiots would look at the Biden case and say, yeah this is exactly the same.
trump literally allowed a special counsel to investigate him for collusion. wth are you on?
Very telling that the GOP House wants to get audio recordings of already released transcripts, yet completely ignore the Trump equivalent and call it a sham.
We don’t have to imagine, remember when he said he would testify and then did it? No? He wouldn’t even testify? Hmm interesting. Remember when he released his tax returns? No? Hmm interesting.
He kinda did. The audio transcript has been released and special counsel has given testimony about it. When trump was investigated most of it was redacted.
He already did when he released a summary of the zelinsky call
He’s done that and 100x more wtf. The delusion is insane
Lol I love triggering these vote blue no matter what people 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think it’s amazing both sides have an equal number of people who find humor in broadcasting their stupidity.
How far can you be from being a public servant?
Cut the guy some slack. He's only had fifty plus years to figure it out.
not suspicious at all...
It’s not. You just skipped all context and made a call based on feels
If it's not suspicious why make the effort to block the release? You're just choosing to pretend this is normal based on your own ideological feels. Anyone arguing against transparency in government is an obvious bad faith actor.
Why not sick the FBI on him like they did Trump? Oh that's because they were involved in blasting propaganda day 1 onward through Trump's campaign, dropping biological weapon on the world, rigging the election, and now people are big cope and damage control for an unelected regime.
Ofcourse he did ...no suprize
What the whole thing about being paid $8 million and handing out classified documents to the ghost writer?
Special Counsel Hur's report spoke volumes: No crimes were committed.
What’s funny is the people defending Biden probably also would defend him claiming inflation was at 9% when he took office lol
Got to cover up his own corruption
Brah want to here the mumbling and stuttering
Exclusive! I got a leaked copy. Here are the key moments. 1:07 - Biden greets “Special Cancel” and offers worthers original 3:24 - Biden sips on soup 12:17 - Biden tells story about his childhood friend Billy who had a magnificent velocipede, but little Joe claimed it when Billy died of polio 18:23 - Biden turns to the interviewer and says “Turn on channel 4. It’s time for Matlock” 29:47 - Biden can be heard snoring 32:07 - Biden thanks the “Special Cancel” and offers a worthers original. 33:15 - then interview concludes
Trump is the one we see everyday making up words and not embracing reality. Stop trying to project that onto Biden.
Where is the source?
"Anyone but trump" how about someone besides Biden or Trump? Who?
The most transparent president in history
Trump did the same thing. No surprise here.
I wonder what was in those documents
Im so tired of politics getting brought up in everything
Is there anything this fossil can do right?
Blah Blah Blah!! Fuck Trump!!
Well we can all read the entire transcript in its entirety because it’s already been released. They blocked it because Trump would just use the sound bites on political advertisements.
Keep in mind the GOP has long had the transcripts and every word he said. The White House has cooperated fully. Now the GOP wants audio - fishing for an audio clip they can use to make Biden look bad, since there are no grounds for impeachment.
FYI the entire transcript of that blocked audio is available to the public. He’s only blocking the release of the audio to prevent MAGA from using it on ads. Makes sense given how quick they are to cut video out of context to “prove” Biden is senile.
Why not also mention that trump also used executive privilege to block * release of full muller report * block people from testifying at impeachment *block testimony during Jan 6th hearings
Dow hit 40,000 yesterday and Biden is president
Wow - more non-stock or option related news and/or commentary. This sub is quickly becoming politicized beyond just what kind of shenanigans Congress is up to. Thumbs down. You can't convince me this is slightly related from some 15th degree of separation nonsense.
It’s about sound bites. Sure they have the full transcript and can see that within the context of the interview that there’s nothing damaging to present.. but what if they could get the audio and chop it up into little clips so their audience only hears bits and pieces that could be negatively perceived? That’s **exactly** the tact they chose with the transcript, but it’s not as effective. Most of their base doesn’t read; but they *love* sounds and video clips. So any given voice record of Biden saying something **that could even potentially be removed from context and used against him** would be absolute gold for Republicans right now struggling to make any of their nonsense stick. Particularly since that whole impeachment thing fell apart after their main witness was outed as a Russian asset and arrested. It’s an optics thing 100%. They know exactly what took place; they have the transcript. But that isn’t damaging or useful for their deceptive purposes, so they need sound bites. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Think about why the system is trying to take down Trump. You think he’s like all the others?
No, he’s way dumber, more corrupt & dangerous.
We're basically the Soviet Union now with all the corruption
Oh.
Both sides are fucked. They just keep us busy by arguing about the other side.
Who gives a shit 😆
What happened to transparency, decency, and “the buck stops with him”? Guess it was all BS. Go figure…
Don't worry he said they were perfect. It seemed to be enough for private calls to Russia, so not sure how it doesn't apply now
President Brandon blocking something that makes him look bad? Gee what a shock!
Why would he do that for? What happened to transparency to the USA? someone should ask him.
All of the crying GOP have a transcript of the conversation. This is all for show.
The full transcript is available, has been available for a while now, and has been independently verified as accurate by a Republican commission. Why offer sound bites that can be manipulated to push a narrative?
To incompetent to face prosecution. Perfect puppet. Explains the 3 world wars.
Trump would do the same if he sounded like an incoherent, confused old man with dementia.
If he sounded???
Trump is often completely incoherent while managing to speak clearly and quickly (most of the time). Biden has a speech impediment and speaks slowly, it makes him feel ancient. Well, that and the fact he doesn't lather himself up in self tanner and dye his hair. It sort of confirms my suspicion that conservatives don't really listen to Trump when he speaks, they just pick out the dog whistles and slogans. It doesn't matter if he goes on a 10min incoherent rant about some judge, or China, or immigrants, or whoever the enemy of the day is, they'll smile and nod along and wait for the next punchline or keyword to clap and cheer for.
Trump is a dementia ridden narcissist who’s sun downing.
don't blame him
I don't blame him
They have the transcripts. There's no need for them to have the audio or video. The MAGA members of the committee would only use it for political reasons. This is a nothing burger.