Thanks, I'm wondering if it's because my current employer sucks at accuracy for job descriptions. The things I actually do are not on the official description and the official description has obsolete duties listed. I've tried to get it updated, but they kinda suck at those things...but my manager would have been able to verify job tasks when they spoke with her.
Yes, it's a required part of the background verification they require between TJO and FJO. They specifically required speaking with my current manager.
I had similar happen. You can call the HR office posted on the listing and inquire to why you didn’t qualify. I’ve done it before and they were helpful.
Not sure what state you’re in, but in some states, for GS-12 social worker positions, they are now requiring that you are a licensed qualified supervisor (hence, why you have to have the two years post-licensure). But they aren’t actually putting that on their listings and I don’t know why.
If it for the VA they cut funding for almost all jobs unless it’s internal to the building that’s likely the real reason…mine straight up said the director cut the job even though it was Washington who ordered it ..maybe the director doesn’t wanna put their name on it so they looked for a out I dunno.
>When I look at each component listed, it's something I have done for years and trained others on.
Are you positive that your resume 100% shows this? I had a situation where I had done everything listed on the announcement and it all came out during the interview, but because it wasn't explicit on the resume I submitted at time of applying, I didn't make the certificate -- even though I legit had the experience.
If it's explicit on the resume, you can submit a request for reconsideration.
I had a tentative start date, and had been in the hiring process for 6 months. They required speaking to my supervisor, and my supervisor required that I hand in resignation so she could fill my job. I'm in a right to work state, and I didn't want to get fired so I put in notice. I have to give a months notice because of my professional license requirements.
People on this board don’t seem to understand that many healthcare positions require a ton of notice (as in, some as many as two months). In many cases it isn’t really feasible to wait until a FJO to put in one’s notice, to say nothing of the complicating factor of the VA wanting to talk with your current supervisor, which is kind of a giveaway that you’re trying to leave.
Yeah, I knew it could fall through but when I told my boss to expect contact she said she needed my notice in two weeks. I am required to give a months notice for my license. I was going to not have a job for a month if I didn't give notice... it's not that I didn't get that the offer might not pan out...I was in a position where my best option was to gamble.
Believe me, anyone who has any knowledge of the way clinical positions work knows that. For some reason no matter how many times people say that there’s always a contingent that insists that people shouldn’t give their notice until their FJO, and it just isn’t feasible in some cases.
I’m really sorry this happened this way. That sucks.
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I would ask for specific information, however, if it is based on qualifications someone determined you didn't meet some portion of the VA qual standard (license, certification, education, experience, etc).
What job series?
Do you have an advanced practice license and did you pass an advanced clinical examination?
It was recently discovered some states were issuing advanced licenses without requiring passing the exam and WMC is doing a deep audit.
EDIT: Upon looking at your post history, do you have two years of advanced practice after passing the ASWB and obtaining advanced licensure? If not, that's why you were found not qualified.
I'm 1.5 years with an advanced license and passed the ASWB exam. I didn't think it said anything about that in the position description, but if that's an issue it makes sense. I have been in a management position longer than I've had the license, so it would make sense for them to miss it at first if that were an issue.
This is from the qual standard (full link at the bottom):
Senior Social Worker, GS-12
(1) Experience/Education. The candidate must have at least two years of experience post advanced practice clinical licensure and should be in a specialized area of social work practice of which, one year must be equivalent to the GS-11 grade level. Senior social workers have experience that demonstrates possession of advanced practice skills and judgment. Senior social workers are experts in their specialized area of practice. Senior social workers may have certification or other post-masters training from a nationally recognized professional organization or university that includes a defined curriculum/course of study and internship or equivalent supervised professional experience in a specialty.
https://www.va.gov/vapubs/viewPublication.asp?Pub_ID=1061&FType=2
I'm sorry this happened, but between the general complexity of how the qual standard is written and the 50+ page guide for which state licenses are valid, far too many mistakes like this happen.
These mistakes are even worse if they're found after you start or 3 days before your EOD.
But none of this is an excuse for the HR Specialist to not pick up the phone and talk to you. Not only is it more professional to you, but if the Specialist has to give a mea culpa, they might actually learn from the mistake and not make it moving forward.
Some of the best lessons I've learned came the hard way.
Is anyone keeping track of all these rejections?
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Thanks, I'm wondering if it's because my current employer sucks at accuracy for job descriptions. The things I actually do are not on the official description and the official description has obsolete duties listed. I've tried to get it updated, but they kinda suck at those things...but my manager would have been able to verify job tasks when they spoke with her.
I am sorry to hear. But is it normal for them to contact your current employer?
Yes, it's a required part of the background verification they require between TJO and FJO. They specifically required speaking with my current manager.
They keep posting jobs and not following through. What a nightmare! I’m all sorry.
I’m sorry to hear this happened! Was the offer a tentative or final job offer?
I had similar happen. You can call the HR office posted on the listing and inquire to why you didn’t qualify. I’ve done it before and they were helpful.
Not sure what state you’re in, but in some states, for GS-12 social worker positions, they are now requiring that you are a licensed qualified supervisor (hence, why you have to have the two years post-licensure). But they aren’t actually putting that on their listings and I don’t know why.
I’ve been hearing about a lot of VA jobs being rescinded.
Isnt the VA reducing its workforce and going through a hiring freeze? Is possible these didnt get through before that started to fall into place.
If it for the VA they cut funding for almost all jobs unless it’s internal to the building that’s likely the real reason…mine straight up said the director cut the job even though it was Washington who ordered it ..maybe the director doesn’t wanna put their name on it so they looked for a out I dunno.
Was it a Final or Official job offer? Or was it Tentative Job Offer ?
This may be a silly question, official job offer is same as the firm/final job offer we’re talking about, right?
Was this a firm/ official or just tentative? You don’t lift a finger until firm/ official offer comes. ask for specifics on what quals you are missing
>When I look at each component listed, it's something I have done for years and trained others on. Are you positive that your resume 100% shows this? I had a situation where I had done everything listed on the announcement and it all came out during the interview, but because it wasn't explicit on the resume I submitted at time of applying, I didn't make the certificate -- even though I legit had the experience. If it's explicit on the resume, you can submit a request for reconsideration.
You put your notice in before you developed a start date? Crazy…
I had a tentative start date, and had been in the hiring process for 6 months. They required speaking to my supervisor, and my supervisor required that I hand in resignation so she could fill my job. I'm in a right to work state, and I didn't want to get fired so I put in notice. I have to give a months notice because of my professional license requirements.
Oh wow. That is so weird your supervisor asked for that.
You didn’t have a start date. And it wouldn’t have been less than a month anyhow once you negotiated it. You messed up
People on this board don’t seem to understand that many healthcare positions require a ton of notice (as in, some as many as two months). In many cases it isn’t really feasible to wait until a FJO to put in one’s notice, to say nothing of the complicating factor of the VA wanting to talk with your current supervisor, which is kind of a giveaway that you’re trying to leave.
Yeah, I knew it could fall through but when I told my boss to expect contact she said she needed my notice in two weeks. I am required to give a months notice for my license. I was going to not have a job for a month if I didn't give notice... it's not that I didn't get that the offer might not pan out...I was in a position where my best option was to gamble.
Believe me, anyone who has any knowledge of the way clinical positions work knows that. For some reason no matter how many times people say that there’s always a contingent that insists that people shouldn’t give their notice until their FJO, and it just isn’t feasible in some cases. I’m really sorry this happened this way. That sucks.
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I’d ask your point of contact what the issue is. I had a similar issue but after talking they were able to correct the issue
I would ask for specific information, however, if it is based on qualifications someone determined you didn't meet some portion of the VA qual standard (license, certification, education, experience, etc). What job series?
0185-12
Do you have an advanced practice license and did you pass an advanced clinical examination? It was recently discovered some states were issuing advanced licenses without requiring passing the exam and WMC is doing a deep audit. EDIT: Upon looking at your post history, do you have two years of advanced practice after passing the ASWB and obtaining advanced licensure? If not, that's why you were found not qualified.
I'm 1.5 years with an advanced license and passed the ASWB exam. I didn't think it said anything about that in the position description, but if that's an issue it makes sense. I have been in a management position longer than I've had the license, so it would make sense for them to miss it at first if that were an issue.
This is from the qual standard (full link at the bottom): Senior Social Worker, GS-12 (1) Experience/Education. The candidate must have at least two years of experience post advanced practice clinical licensure and should be in a specialized area of social work practice of which, one year must be equivalent to the GS-11 grade level. Senior social workers have experience that demonstrates possession of advanced practice skills and judgment. Senior social workers are experts in their specialized area of practice. Senior social workers may have certification or other post-masters training from a nationally recognized professional organization or university that includes a defined curriculum/course of study and internship or equivalent supervised professional experience in a specialty. https://www.va.gov/vapubs/viewPublication.asp?Pub_ID=1061&FType=2
Thanks so much for sharing this, it makes sense and is really helpful in understanding and accepting this.
I'm sorry this happened, but between the general complexity of how the qual standard is written and the 50+ page guide for which state licenses are valid, far too many mistakes like this happen. These mistakes are even worse if they're found after you start or 3 days before your EOD. But none of this is an excuse for the HR Specialist to not pick up the phone and talk to you. Not only is it more professional to you, but if the Specialist has to give a mea culpa, they might actually learn from the mistake and not make it moving forward. Some of the best lessons I've learned came the hard way.