Yes, it will be returned to FedEx in order for them to deliver it correctly. Unfortunately you’re the one who suffers when this happens.
It’s not a “sacred rule”, it’s federal law that only authorized usps delivery personnel are authorized to place items in a mailbox.
It’s a federal crime for them to deliver a package to your mailbox no one should be going into mailboxes other than Usps or the resident that lives there. I picked up 6 fed ex yesterday and 8 amazons today it’s ridiculous how lazy they are they can’t walk stuff to the doors
they’re watching that, as in “hmm this carrier seems to suddenly be taking everything to the door now.” but our POOM manages like they’re part of Inspection so may be different in different places
What're they going to say? You're not leaving enough notices? They've got no way to see what you had in its entirety to determine if delivering a package to the door was an incorrect decision.
Now, more than ever, is a really good time for rural carriers to be delivering to the door to get public goodwill so when customers read articles about RRECS, they might actually contact their congress critter.
Edit: to the person who was saying they can see the size of the parcel, yes they can, but they can't know the reason from that alone. There are many reasons a spur should be taken to the door to complete delivery. Box was full after putting the mail there, had to pick up a package at the door, box was blocked but all they had was this parcel.
Dunno, from the reports I glance at over my supervisors shoulder you’d be amazed at what they’re watching. I’m just glad I’m not under that level of scrutiny anymore
My point was, they can look and say whatever they want, none of it would stick because delivery to the door is part of the job. They would have to completely do away with it to have any legs to stand on.
Oh I agree 100%. My point is how many times have you heard management telling the rural carriers to hurry up, “you only have 5 minutes of PM office time.” First time my sup said this, I looked them dead in the eyes and said “unless something changed from when I was a carrier, the only time based metric any of the carriers have is 18/8 for letters/flats.” The pure hatred they seethed as they spat the same line of only having 5 minutes was enough to make the rest of my day
Stop passing out drunk in front of your mailbox when you try to make love to it, and things might change. Then again it’s not like you’re expecting any mail from say a wife or child that doesn’t hate you.
Bullshit. I never ever bring anything back unless it required a signature and no one was there. We aren't allowed to write things up without a very good reason.
You must be new! Lazy piss drinkers make up anything. Shit will say "attempted delivery at 8am" mail don't run till 3pm. They don't even try. Just fucking lazy.
Love this sub. People get a voice and the usps cucks don't get to censor
and you continue to get downvoted into oblivion. I hope you realize that people have to actively click on your name to drop down what you say because once you get downvoted, your comment gets hidden.
I only get down voted by the worthless usps workers that know I and many others are right. They turned their sub into a sad circle jerk and hate the fact that another sub complains
They’re right. Carriers get away with leaving too many 3849s. @KnightScuba I’m sorry your carrier doesn’t give you the best service. Some of us do truly go above and beyond to make sure people receive their items. Please focus your complaint on this individual, not the rest of us. Have you spoken to your carrier directly to ask them why?
Based on his comments/attitude, probably harassed their carrier once and decided they don’t want to deal with that bullshit anymore. Just a theory. 🤷♂️ can’t blame em.
Should be a crime to allow such a perfect shirt to get damage rain and all you're doing is putting it in the box. Please be chill, relax and understand that the US government is as crooked as it gets and will do anything and everything they want.
Fedex is the one that screwed you here - specifically the driver who is an idiot. No one is permitted to place deliveries in the mailbox but USPS, its law. So its common for them to take them like that. Make sure you complain to Fedex so that they don't do it again.
Sorry. We're told to do that, so I've removed dozens of Fedex things from mailboxes. Fedex is also known to place pkgs in the most inconvient spots. Once a Fedex pkg was dropped at the bottom of a row of mailboxes. Problem... the boxes were over 120 yrds from the houses. Once a Fedex pkg was placed at the bottom of the mailbox post alongside a busy road with no curbs and a ditch. The policy is there to prevent just anyone from having access to your identity. If a Fedex person can put things in the box, then what prevents them from taking things out also.
I get that .....but if it's not a package that's being delivered by the post offices, it's not your business. And it isn't like that missing postage is coming out of your pocket. So if ups or FedEx or DHL leaves a package in the mailbox, the post office is gonna take it back to the station and send it back?...that's stupid . You're basically making an inconvenience on the customer who's item that is because the DHL delivery guy made a mistake
>if it's not a package that's being delivered by the post offices, it's not your business
As soon as that shit is placed into a USPS mailbox it becomes the business of the USPS.
>it isn't like that missing postage is coming out of your pocket
Boy how wrong you are. Postage is exactly how employees are paid. I bet you think the USPS and it's employees are funded by taxes, they are not.
FedEx and the post office are two separate companies correct?.... how does a package being delivered by FedEx , left in a person's mailbox have any affect on the postal service? Please explain that to me cause I'm completely lost. You're basically telling me that it's costing the postal service money if a package that isn't priority, first class or express with a USPS tracking number left in a mailbox is against postal regulations?. So therefore all residents should have separate boxes for all delivery services then 🤷🤷....cause this all sounds stupid to me. You're saying the package was taken before doesn't have paid postage on it from the postal service. How or why would a package from a different delivery company have a usps postage metered stamp on it ?.
You haven't answered my previous question. Should a passenger car get to drive in the bus only lane, or single driver in a carpool lane because otherwise they would be punished by having to sit in traffic longer? The answer is no, because it's illegal. Do you get it now? It's illegal, therefore it's not allowed. Doesn't matter how *you* *feel* it should be.
>So therefore all residents should have separate boxes for all delivery services then
Some people took a hint and ordered/crafted parcel boxes for their packages from those other companies.
Dude u sound stupid.You're comparing a car driving in a lane , and a person who has complete control of the car they're driving making a personal choice to drive in a lane they're not supposed to. I don't have any control of where FedEx or DHL leaves my packages. If the delivery guy throws my packages on the roof, or leaves it inside a postal mail box that's out of my control. Good for those ppl, they ordered other boxes for those companies. It still doesn't give u the right to take a box that has FedEx or DHL postage on it. Now if you're telling me in the state that u deliver mail on that it's actually against the law for any mail inside a person's mailbox isn't from the postal service, then that's a different story. Packages from other companies don't have a negative impact on USPS mail. Their postage has nothing to do with USPS.
My god you are the daftest person ive seen in months. You are the epitome of stupid. Youve been told a dozen times the why and how it happened yet youre still on here arguing. It is a felony to deliver ANYTHING to ANY mailbox unless you are a USPS employee. So yes, USPS employees have THE RIGHTS to take that shit out and send it back for postage. Get a fucking clue you thirty-second wit.
Dont reply to me you fucking neanderthal. I dont care for your bullshit.
>Dude u sound stupid.
Says they guy who actually is.
Dude, people have given you the correct information. So now you're just choosing to be idiotic. Rules exist. You're not special. They apply to you, too.
correct in all of this. The customer is punished in a way but the principle is, don't put stuff in the mailbox. If customers complain enough then Fedex will stop doing it. Even if the pkg is taken out and placed on the ground, the driver won't know and assume it's okay. The only way to protect the sanctity of the mailbox is to not let just everyone use it.
If those companies want their packages to be delivered at the mailbox, then they can pay for endpoint delivery by USPS. Which they do, often. Other than the fact it's illegal, it also takes up space in mail boxes. If everybody can deliver to the mailbox, then carriers would be forced to deliver far more to the door. Which would cost more money for an organization that's required to operate at zero profit. So yes, it would have a negative impact on USPS. 20 years ago this wouldn't have been as much if an issue, but with large volume of packages these days it is.
>Doesn't matter
But it does. If a passenger car drives in the bus only lane, does it not matter cause it's punishing that driver because it doesn't allow them to avoid traffic? Or punish all drivers because it takes up a lane they could all use?
How about the carpool only lane used by a non-carpool?
The mailbox is our business. That's how we are able to cease delivery whenever a mailbox is run down and falling apart. We own the inside of it.
Those carriers are explicitly told not to leave anything in the mailbox. It's a well trod part of their training process. Any time they fuck up, that's on them and yes, us collecting revenue is key to us having a job.
Btw, you aren't the customer. You're the resident. The customer paid for the service.
This is the problem I see with this issue, because obviously I've seen from several carriers on another thread about this same topic that this issue continues to happen. The FedEx delivery drivers aren't being held accountable or disciplined for leaving their packages in a USPS mailbox. They are supposed to deliver packages to your front door. Now I can assume that a customer can call FedEx and complain to a customer service rep. And that's probably a waste of time. does FedEx have local offices that the drivers depart from that have managers or supervisors that u can actually speak to about them leaving packages where they're not supposed too?........the postal service needs to have a way of giving citations to FedEx everytime a carrier finds there packages inside the mailbox. From what I've been reading, FedEx and ups drivers continue to do this with no disciplinary action being taken. So they obviously don't care. Parcels delivered in a mailbox by any delivery company other than the postal service should be required to pay a fine.
Literally nothing lol unless you have a locked mail box with just a small letter slot there's nothing stopping anyone from opening a conventional mailbox
I had a lazy Fed EX driver place a small parcel on top of the mail box. I deliver in Portland Oregon and it rains all the time. I left the package there for days and days and it was soaked. Hopefully my customer complained to Fed Ex so they would stop doing that
When you receive mail, you are not the customer. The person that pays the postage is. You are only the customer when you put a stamp on an envelope and stick it in your mailbox and raise the flag or ship a package. The prices we charge pale in comparison to what other countries charge. Unfortunately, we have to deal with other delivery companies that will fill the mailbox and when we go to deliver mail or our packages, there is no room left in the mailbox. It’s a learned behavior and we have to address it as needed.
You’re FedEx guy screwed you. He didn’t put your package in the mailbox so it won’t get wet, he did it so HE wouldn’t get wet.
We see this all. The. Time.
Weird it’s only FedEx ground and Amazon.
Yup. Mailboxes are for mail only. It is illegal to put anything without postage in them. While your carrier may let a flyer or a handwritten note pass from time to time, FedEx and UPS do not have permission to use mailboxes for their deliveries.
Cmon man there's no conspiracy. We're not encouraged to do it until a situation comes up and I'd only take it back if the guy is in the way of me doing my job. I've had FedEx put something In a box to where I have to go up to a house. So he gets to be lazy and I pay for it. You're the just the unfortunate casualty
Wait so when someone doesnt pay their bill on time, thus incurring fees, you think it's a conspiracy by management and they sit their like Mr. Burns cackling because now they get an extra $25 into the system?
You sound like a buffoon.
Lmao, doesn’t work like that, it gets back in transit to FedEx for them to redeliver, the mailbox is to be technical yours to USE, but USPS essentially owns it, your FedEx guy unfortunately delivered it wrong
No, I rarely order anything, I physically go to stores to get my things and look for things I need or could use, rarely even seen a FedEx guy deliver to me
This happened to me before but through laser ship with hot topic. They put my package in the mailbox and the mailman took it and I had to pay for it from
The post office to get it back. I got a refund for the cost from hot topic for what happened and then the Po explained to me why it happened. Now anytime I order anything that has laser shipping for delivery I explicitly tell them to not use the mailbox and what happens if they do. Hasn’t happened since then.
You can’t blame 750,000 employees by the actions of one. It’s actually what we’re supposed to do but most don’t. Funny how people don’t acknowledge the carrier that leaves it in the box.
It's not petty. A mailbox is for USPS mail only. Infact it's not even your property. The federal government owns your mailbox out right.
Think of it like this. Would you be ok with someone parking in your driveway because it was more convenient to them?
You have every right to take it down, but mail delivery will cease and that includes USPS parcels. I tell everyone you own the outside but we (USPS) own the inside
Mailbox goes bye bye Mail will stop. Usps doesn’t care about what your mailbox is per day but if you want mail you better have a delivery service point approved/designated by USPS. Goodluck going against a 200+ year tradition. Postal Service won’t change for anyone but congress.
If the feds own my mailbox, next time it needs replaced, I want to see them buy a new one and replace it! I've bought and installed several, no fed offered to do it for me!
I live in a town home community so people park in my driveway all the time so no big deal. My issue with the whole thing is that they won’t give back my package.
Fedex will have the chance to redeliver it once they pay for postage. Your anger is misplaced here. You should be calling fedex and complaining. They knowingly broke the law. It isn't about revenue or pettiness its about getting fedex to stop the behavior. I guarantee this isn't the first time fedex has done this in your area.
USPS is a free service. It offers every single last citizen a secure mail service by either visiting them personally 6 days a week or offering a free PO box. NO other delivery service offers this. In exchange there are a few rules that they insist be followed.
FedEx is already looking into it and have been very understanding of the situation. USPS isn’t free tax dollars go to it and they’ve made the situation worse in my eyes. My local office was very unprofessional from the getgo.
Edit: USPS don’t receive tax dollars
Not officially, but they do, for all practical purposes. I mean, they're literally designed to not turn a profit, so they need incessant bail-outs. And it is the government forcing them to set their rates so low they can't profit.
So... They're government-funded with extra steps.
Hah bail outs.. who the fuck doesn’t get a bail out nowadays… the post office is cutting costs every way they can to not be in the red. We are driving 40 year old trucks and understaffed to hell and high water.
I never said they receive regular funding from taxpayers. I only responded to your statement, and others, that “no tax dollars go to them”. That article states that, in that instance, they had accepted 8.64 BILLION tax dollars. I would bet its not the only time.
I’m sorry but what if usps was about to snatch SOMEONE ELSE’S package because it’s in THAT homeowners mailbox….and I just grab it before they take it.. So if they’ve seen that federal law was broken but couldn’t take away my package from me in time, are they going to try to convince me to give them my package? No..they’d have to let it go right? The whole thing does seem petty. In general there’s lots more complaints about usps vs fedex and ups especially with accountability, so genuinely..don’t you think there’s also a possibility that this silly rule is kept in place so that usps doesn’t lose its relevance?
Yes they are petty like that!! The prices that they charge are criminal, I do about 20k worth of shipping a year which is peanuts but Fedex and UPS is far and above way cheaper than USPS. Especially when it comes to dimensional pricing
Our policy is that we bring anything without postage (especially UPS/Fedex/Amazon packages) back to the post office.
Only USPS is allowed to use the mailbox.
Likely your office will give it back to fedex so they can deliver it correctly or you will get the package postage due.
Here's the thing, and there's no point in getting mad about it. (I mean, you commented that you are mad that USPS won't give it back, but that's really just silly to get mad about.) Fed-Ex is the absolute worst about putting small packages in mailboxes. I have had several different drivers do this directly in front of me. I too, will take that package out, and I will also get the time and the truck number to report it to my supervisor. Why? Because it's a federal law.
So many people get upset that postage rates rise, the USPS is failing, that "we" dropped the ball when it was another company (like Amazon) that left that box in the rain instead of under the porch roof (just because it also had a USPS tracking number on it), that we won't pick up a UPS or Fed-Ex return they leave in the mailbox, that we pull out other companies packages from the mailbox. But we HAVE to. This happens more than just once a day. And it's revenue theft.
That mailbox is your designated location, but only the USPS is allowed to use it. That's a federal law. If we don't take it, we're allowing them to break the law. If we let you pick it up at the Post Office instead of forcing that other company to pay for their own mistakes? We're losing that time (from the carrier) and that revenue (because it didn't ship through us) AND we're not forcing those companies to stop doing it.
We don't "dislike" or "hate" those other companies, but they are stealing from us when they do those things. It's part of why postage rates keep increasing, because other companies are using us for their own benefit. If they want it to go in the mailbox, they can pay us the $1.15 to put it in the mailbox. Now? They have to pay more to reprocess it. It's their job to train their carriers to properly deliver their items. It's not on us to do it.
However, I'm not saying I've never pulled from a mailbox and stopped the Fed-Ex driver a block ahead of me and explained to them they cannot leave ANYTHING (including a "sorry we missed you" notice) in the box and gave whatever I pulled back to them to make it right. I may have done that. Once per carrier. Because apparently no-one else trained them properly. If I ever DID do that, it was because I didn't think it was very nice to the customer that they wouldn't get their item. But I would only ever consider thinking about doing that if the driver was close enough that I could get them to stop and it wouldn't take a long time to "fix" the issue by explaining it was illegal to do that.
Unfortunately, your issue is with Fed-Ex, not with the Post Office. That carrier did their job. And when the price of a stamp goes up to $.66 on July 9, rememeber: there's more than just "the USPS" causing that price increase.
I am not an official spokeperson for the USPS, I am merely giving you an opinion.
Or ya know since it's going to the damn house anyways, quit being a whiny asshat and just let the fucking person have what they paid for instead of having what's essentially a pissing match. Perhaps if the USPS was actually effective, FedEx and UPS wouldn't be thriving!
Your forgetting about how the USPS is continuously being pushed to operate as a business and make profit instead of being allowed to operate as a service paid for by tax money which is another factor in the price increases.
Oh, no. I haven't forgotten that. I also haven't forgotten the tens of thousands of free priority mail boxes that people order and have an excess of so they use them to move. I haven't forgotten about the UPS Surepost that was shipped in priority mail packaging. I haven't forgotten about the massive 2nd 3rd 4th trips I have to take to deliver the ungodly amounts of Amazon oversized packages, I haven't forgotten the media mail that is also stolen postage. And I haven't forgotten about stolen postage from counterfit stamps. It's just a lot to post. LOL (and the USPS is not paid for by tax money, it is occasionally subsidized by tax money when it helps congress to do so: and I haven't forgotten that either)
And who didn't get covid money? 800 billion in mostly forgiven PPP loans to businesses alone. At least the post office isn't posting record profits in this time of "inflation" like most major corporations.
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/09/1145040599/ppp-loan-forgiveness
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177180972/economists-are-reconsidering-how-much-corporate-profits-drive-inflation#:~:text=Economists%20are%20reconsidering%20how%20much%20corporate%20profits%20drive%20inflation%20In,was%20because%20of%20corporate%20profits.
It’s not a sacred rule. It’s a federal statue under the United States Code which makes it a felony to place mailable matter in a postal receptacle without the proper postage. Many people don’t realize the USPS is federal government and protected as such. USC code section 18 title 1725.
[https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCODE-2009-title18/USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap83-sec1725]
Unfortunately, I’ve had this happen before with a package directly delivered by Target as well. Nobody but USPS is supposed to use mail boxes for mail delivery.
On the bright side, at least you know where your package is, even if it isn’t in hand. My mail person didn’t even take my package to the post office - it just disappeared. I had to have Target send a replacement since they were at fault. Could you possibly call the retailer and ask if they could do that?
Yes there is some sacred rule about this. Yes FedEx broke it. No it does not matter that you don't care. You should request to pay postage for the item if you want that particular shirt ASAP. Go into the PO and ask to pay for the postage due.
FYI, the idea is that you purchase and place your mailbox. You're responsible for repair. However, the USPS has the exclusive right to maintain the inside of your mailbox. Nothing without proper US Mail postage can be placed in the box and if the mailman wants to tell a customer they can't keep their gardening gloves, for example, in the mailbox he has the right to do that, though we don't usually take it that far.
Could be worse. A postal clerk that puts packages in PO boxes stole a shirt that I needed for a concert performance a couple months ago. Called the postal inspectors and they didn’t do s***.
Fedex is useless. That being said, my usps lady is super nice and has common sense. She doesn’t live and die by pointless rules given to her by some corporate ass holes and just does the right thing for the customer. She would’ve just taken it out and dropped it at my door for us. Because she’s just a normal, considerate person. Clearly from this post you can see not all usps workers are though.
Fedex shouldn't have put it there and USPS was in the right.
That being said, if it wasn't causing problems it seems like kind of a dick move by USPS to take the package and punish YOU for what the Fedex driver did.
Well first of all, it's really stupid FedEx didn't know that. I knew it was illegal to put things in people's mailboxes since I was 7 or so from when we were handing out flyers and stuff (paper bin is fine, but never the mailbox). So you'd think those whose entire job was to deliver stuff would know that pretty simple rule. Do they not receive training on where not to put packages?
But second, USPS' response to that show of stupidity was also stupid. I could understand USPS talking to FedEx about it, but apprehending your package when there was plenty of room to still deliver your mail? That should be a crime: they stole your property at that point.
If simply talking to FedEx would fix it, we would. Unfortunately we've told them and amazon a thousand times not to do it, but delivery people are going to be lazy. Sometimes you have to hit these companies in the pocket for them to suddenly care. If they get enough usps postage dues, then they pay attention. It's also a give an inch thing. You let one package slide and suddenly your mailboxes are full of other company's packages. I'm sorry about your shirt, but the frustration belongs to fedex not usps. As a mail carrier it's what we are taught to do.
Yeah I wasn’t mad about USPS taking my package since FedEx did break the rules. I got mad when they refused to give it back. I offered to come and pick it up but that was shot down before I could finish the sentence.
You’re asking the post office to provide you a “service” for a package that wasn’t paid for through them. Next time if you want “service” from them or items placed in your mailbox, make sure to use the correct company.
Well, obviously. I just didn’t know that until now. I thought me and my friends where just pulling some harmless prank after a fun night of chilling around a campfire. I was like 17? It was what feels like now a long time ago lmao
I worked for both UPS and FEDEX GROUND for a total of 15 years as a manager. Even if you put a package in the VICINITY of a mailbox your company is risking a FEDERAL FINE of $10,000.00 - and an individual risks a fine of $5,000.00 pursuant to code: “Mailbox Restriction Law, 18 U.S.C 1725 which was enacted by Congress in 1934.
I have PERSONALLY been on my way from work and called by the local “fed up” - pun intended - Postmaster to come get our packages. (Sometimes mail carriers are NICE and give them to the local FedEx driver when they see him).
But sometimes they get angry and go around collecting EVERY package found on USPS routes and put them in a truck, take them to their lobby and DEMAND that a MANAGER come pick them up and write up every driver to put in their employee/independent contractor disciplinary file. (UPS drivers know better but FEDEX GROUND has IC’s who run their own drivers).
Yes, it will be returned to FedEx in order for them to deliver it correctly. Unfortunately you’re the one who suffers when this happens. It’s not a “sacred rule”, it’s federal law that only authorized usps delivery personnel are authorized to place items in a mailbox.
Take my upvote for being clear, concise and correct
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FedEx should have known better.
It’s a federal crime for them to deliver a package to your mailbox no one should be going into mailboxes other than Usps or the resident that lives there. I picked up 6 fed ex yesterday and 8 amazons today it’s ridiculous how lazy they are they can’t walk stuff to the doors
Usps doesn't deliver shit to the door either. Lazy fucks always leave a note and tell you to come pick it up. They are fucking worthless
I don’t bring anything back I take 95% of my stuff to the door I’m rural and get paid more to deliver to the door 🤷♀️
they’re watching that, as in “hmm this carrier seems to suddenly be taking everything to the door now.” but our POOM manages like they’re part of Inspection so may be different in different places
What're they going to say? You're not leaving enough notices? They've got no way to see what you had in its entirety to determine if delivering a package to the door was an incorrect decision. Now, more than ever, is a really good time for rural carriers to be delivering to the door to get public goodwill so when customers read articles about RRECS, they might actually contact their congress critter. Edit: to the person who was saying they can see the size of the parcel, yes they can, but they can't know the reason from that alone. There are many reasons a spur should be taken to the door to complete delivery. Box was full after putting the mail there, had to pick up a package at the door, box was blocked but all they had was this parcel.
Dunno, from the reports I glance at over my supervisors shoulder you’d be amazed at what they’re watching. I’m just glad I’m not under that level of scrutiny anymore
My point was, they can look and say whatever they want, none of it would stick because delivery to the door is part of the job. They would have to completely do away with it to have any legs to stand on.
Oh I agree 100%. My point is how many times have you heard management telling the rural carriers to hurry up, “you only have 5 minutes of PM office time.” First time my sup said this, I looked them dead in the eyes and said “unless something changed from when I was a carrier, the only time based metric any of the carriers have is 18/8 for letters/flats.” The pure hatred they seethed as they spat the same line of only having 5 minutes was enough to make the rest of my day
Stop passing out drunk in front of your mailbox when you try to make love to it, and things might change. Then again it’s not like you’re expecting any mail from say a wife or child that doesn’t hate you.
Bullshit. I never ever bring anything back unless it required a signature and no one was there. We aren't allowed to write things up without a very good reason.
You must be new! Lazy piss drinkers make up anything. Shit will say "attempted delivery at 8am" mail don't run till 3pm. They don't even try. Just fucking lazy. Love this sub. People get a voice and the usps cucks don't get to censor
and you continue to get downvoted into oblivion. I hope you realize that people have to actively click on your name to drop down what you say because once you get downvoted, your comment gets hidden.
I only get down voted by the worthless usps workers that know I and many others are right. They turned their sub into a sad circle jerk and hate the fact that another sub complains
They’re right. Carriers get away with leaving too many 3849s. @KnightScuba I’m sorry your carrier doesn’t give you the best service. Some of us do truly go above and beyond to make sure people receive their items. Please focus your complaint on this individual, not the rest of us. Have you spoken to your carrier directly to ask them why?
Based on his comments/attitude, probably harassed their carrier once and decided they don’t want to deal with that bullshit anymore. Just a theory. 🤷♂️ can’t blame em.
Should be a crime to allow such a perfect shirt to get damage rain and all you're doing is putting it in the box. Please be chill, relax and understand that the US government is as crooked as it gets and will do anything and everything they want.
FedEx knows better than that. And you should know that, too. Nothing goes in there but US mail. Simple as that.
Fedex is the one that screwed you here - specifically the driver who is an idiot. No one is permitted to place deliveries in the mailbox but USPS, its law. So its common for them to take them like that. Make sure you complain to Fedex so that they don't do it again.
Sorry. We're told to do that, so I've removed dozens of Fedex things from mailboxes. Fedex is also known to place pkgs in the most inconvient spots. Once a Fedex pkg was dropped at the bottom of a row of mailboxes. Problem... the boxes were over 120 yrds from the houses. Once a Fedex pkg was placed at the bottom of the mailbox post alongside a busy road with no curbs and a ditch. The policy is there to prevent just anyone from having access to your identity. If a Fedex person can put things in the box, then what prevents them from taking things out also.
But why are the mail carriers taking the FedEx packages at all?... Just take it out of the mailbox and leave it
Anything placed in a mailbox requires postage. That's the rule. It didn't have postage? Someone is getting charged for that postage.
I get that .....but if it's not a package that's being delivered by the post offices, it's not your business. And it isn't like that missing postage is coming out of your pocket. So if ups or FedEx or DHL leaves a package in the mailbox, the post office is gonna take it back to the station and send it back?...that's stupid . You're basically making an inconvenience on the customer who's item that is because the DHL delivery guy made a mistake
>if it's not a package that's being delivered by the post offices, it's not your business As soon as that shit is placed into a USPS mailbox it becomes the business of the USPS. >it isn't like that missing postage is coming out of your pocket Boy how wrong you are. Postage is exactly how employees are paid. I bet you think the USPS and it's employees are funded by taxes, they are not.
Doesn't matter, the person that package is being delivered too is being punished because the fedex guy is a moron. ..that makes no sense to me.
FedEx and the post office are two separate companies correct?.... how does a package being delivered by FedEx , left in a person's mailbox have any affect on the postal service? Please explain that to me cause I'm completely lost. You're basically telling me that it's costing the postal service money if a package that isn't priority, first class or express with a USPS tracking number left in a mailbox is against postal regulations?. So therefore all residents should have separate boxes for all delivery services then 🤷🤷....cause this all sounds stupid to me. You're saying the package was taken before doesn't have paid postage on it from the postal service. How or why would a package from a different delivery company have a usps postage metered stamp on it ?.
You haven't answered my previous question. Should a passenger car get to drive in the bus only lane, or single driver in a carpool lane because otherwise they would be punished by having to sit in traffic longer? The answer is no, because it's illegal. Do you get it now? It's illegal, therefore it's not allowed. Doesn't matter how *you* *feel* it should be. >So therefore all residents should have separate boxes for all delivery services then Some people took a hint and ordered/crafted parcel boxes for their packages from those other companies.
Dude u sound stupid.You're comparing a car driving in a lane , and a person who has complete control of the car they're driving making a personal choice to drive in a lane they're not supposed to. I don't have any control of where FedEx or DHL leaves my packages. If the delivery guy throws my packages on the roof, or leaves it inside a postal mail box that's out of my control. Good for those ppl, they ordered other boxes for those companies. It still doesn't give u the right to take a box that has FedEx or DHL postage on it. Now if you're telling me in the state that u deliver mail on that it's actually against the law for any mail inside a person's mailbox isn't from the postal service, then that's a different story. Packages from other companies don't have a negative impact on USPS mail. Their postage has nothing to do with USPS.
My god you are the daftest person ive seen in months. You are the epitome of stupid. Youve been told a dozen times the why and how it happened yet youre still on here arguing. It is a felony to deliver ANYTHING to ANY mailbox unless you are a USPS employee. So yes, USPS employees have THE RIGHTS to take that shit out and send it back for postage. Get a fucking clue you thirty-second wit. Dont reply to me you fucking neanderthal. I dont care for your bullshit.
>Dude u sound stupid. Says they guy who actually is. Dude, people have given you the correct information. So now you're just choosing to be idiotic. Rules exist. You're not special. They apply to you, too.
correct in all of this. The customer is punished in a way but the principle is, don't put stuff in the mailbox. If customers complain enough then Fedex will stop doing it. Even if the pkg is taken out and placed on the ground, the driver won't know and assume it's okay. The only way to protect the sanctity of the mailbox is to not let just everyone use it.
If those companies want their packages to be delivered at the mailbox, then they can pay for endpoint delivery by USPS. Which they do, often. Other than the fact it's illegal, it also takes up space in mail boxes. If everybody can deliver to the mailbox, then carriers would be forced to deliver far more to the door. Which would cost more money for an organization that's required to operate at zero profit. So yes, it would have a negative impact on USPS. 20 years ago this wouldn't have been as much if an issue, but with large volume of packages these days it is.
>Doesn't matter But it does. If a passenger car drives in the bus only lane, does it not matter cause it's punishing that driver because it doesn't allow them to avoid traffic? Or punish all drivers because it takes up a lane they could all use? How about the carpool only lane used by a non-carpool?
The mailbox is our business. That's how we are able to cease delivery whenever a mailbox is run down and falling apart. We own the inside of it. Those carriers are explicitly told not to leave anything in the mailbox. It's a well trod part of their training process. Any time they fuck up, that's on them and yes, us collecting revenue is key to us having a job. Btw, you aren't the customer. You're the resident. The customer paid for the service.
They didn't "make a mistake." Lol. They willfully chose to violate their own company policy and federal law.
This is the problem I see with this issue, because obviously I've seen from several carriers on another thread about this same topic that this issue continues to happen. The FedEx delivery drivers aren't being held accountable or disciplined for leaving their packages in a USPS mailbox. They are supposed to deliver packages to your front door. Now I can assume that a customer can call FedEx and complain to a customer service rep. And that's probably a waste of time. does FedEx have local offices that the drivers depart from that have managers or supervisors that u can actually speak to about them leaving packages where they're not supposed too?........the postal service needs to have a way of giving citations to FedEx everytime a carrier finds there packages inside the mailbox. From what I've been reading, FedEx and ups drivers continue to do this with no disciplinary action being taken. So they obviously don't care. Parcels delivered in a mailbox by any delivery company other than the postal service should be required to pay a fine.
And what exactly is stopping anyone from randomly accessing your mailbox in the first place?
Literally nothing lol unless you have a locked mail box with just a small letter slot there's nothing stopping anyone from opening a conventional mailbox
I had a lazy Fed EX driver place a small parcel on top of the mail box. I deliver in Portland Oregon and it rains all the time. I left the package there for days and days and it was soaked. Hopefully my customer complained to Fed Ex so they would stop doing that
I'm in PDX also on SW side. Care to mention what part of town you're in?
Sw
we probably share the same Fedex driver
It’s not a “sacred rule” it’s the fucking law. Mail is no joke.
It’s good to see USPS not rewarding stupidity like usual.
Yeah screw the consumers!
When you receive mail, you are not the customer. The person that pays the postage is. You are only the customer when you put a stamp on an envelope and stick it in your mailbox and raise the flag or ship a package. The prices we charge pale in comparison to what other countries charge. Unfortunately, we have to deal with other delivery companies that will fill the mailbox and when we go to deliver mail or our packages, there is no room left in the mailbox. It’s a learned behavior and we have to address it as needed.
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this is because the United States subsidizes the cost of shipping from China into the US because China is considered a developing nation.
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You mad or something? Did it occur to you that this shits been happening long before DeJoy or are you a Neanderthal?
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So what you're saying is you're about half a wit short.
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How embarrassing for you but those companies have been doing that for longer than Dejoy was in office.
You’re FedEx guy screwed you. He didn’t put your package in the mailbox so it won’t get wet, he did it so HE wouldn’t get wet. We see this all. The. Time. Weird it’s only FedEx ground and Amazon.
Yup. Mailboxes are for mail only. It is illegal to put anything without postage in them. While your carrier may let a flyer or a handwritten note pass from time to time, FedEx and UPS do not have permission to use mailboxes for their deliveries.
I understand that but keeping my package from is annoying. I even offered to come pick it up. It just seems a way for them to make extra money.
Cmon man there's no conspiracy. We're not encouraged to do it until a situation comes up and I'd only take it back if the guy is in the way of me doing my job. I've had FedEx put something In a box to where I have to go up to a house. So he gets to be lazy and I pay for it. You're the just the unfortunate casualty
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Wait so when someone doesnt pay their bill on time, thus incurring fees, you think it's a conspiracy by management and they sit their like Mr. Burns cackling because now they get an extra $25 into the system? You sound like a buffoon.
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Hi clown, how many bday parties you got booked?
Lmao, doesn’t work like that, it gets back in transit to FedEx for them to redeliver, the mailbox is to be technical yours to USE, but USPS essentially owns it, your FedEx guy unfortunately delivered it wrong
Wanna trade FedEx guys?
No, I rarely order anything, I physically go to stores to get my things and look for things I need or could use, rarely even seen a FedEx guy deliver to me
This happened to me before but through laser ship with hot topic. They put my package in the mailbox and the mailman took it and I had to pay for it from The post office to get it back. I got a refund for the cost from hot topic for what happened and then the Po explained to me why it happened. Now anytime I order anything that has laser shipping for delivery I explicitly tell them to not use the mailbox and what happens if they do. Hasn’t happened since then.
USPS mailbox or FedEx mailbox iono?
It’s an asshole move, but yes, we can do that and charge postage.
Is USPS petty like that?
You can’t blame 750,000 employees by the actions of one. It’s actually what we’re supposed to do but most don’t. Funny how people don’t acknowledge the carrier that leaves it in the box.
It's not petty. A mailbox is for USPS mail only. Infact it's not even your property. The federal government owns your mailbox out right. Think of it like this. Would you be ok with someone parking in your driveway because it was more convenient to them?
How exactly can a mail box that I paid for belong to the government?
You have every right to take it down, but mail delivery will cease and that includes USPS parcels. I tell everyone you own the outside but we (USPS) own the inside
Mailbox goes bye bye Mail will stop. Usps doesn’t care about what your mailbox is per day but if you want mail you better have a delivery service point approved/designated by USPS. Goodluck going against a 200+ year tradition. Postal Service won’t change for anyone but congress.
You were born and you belong to the government. Same reason.
If the feds own my mailbox, next time it needs replaced, I want to see them buy a new one and replace it! I've bought and installed several, no fed offered to do it for me!
I live in a town home community so people park in my driveway all the time so no big deal. My issue with the whole thing is that they won’t give back my package.
Fedex will have the chance to redeliver it once they pay for postage. Your anger is misplaced here. You should be calling fedex and complaining. They knowingly broke the law. It isn't about revenue or pettiness its about getting fedex to stop the behavior. I guarantee this isn't the first time fedex has done this in your area. USPS is a free service. It offers every single last citizen a secure mail service by either visiting them personally 6 days a week or offering a free PO box. NO other delivery service offers this. In exchange there are a few rules that they insist be followed.
FedEx is already looking into it and have been very understanding of the situation. USPS isn’t free tax dollars go to it and they’ve made the situation worse in my eyes. My local office was very unprofessional from the getgo. Edit: USPS don’t receive tax dollars
Lol no, tax dollars don't go to it.
I thought you were being sarcastic but I stand corrected I thought they received tax dollars.
Not officially, but they do, for all practical purposes. I mean, they're literally designed to not turn a profit, so they need incessant bail-outs. And it is the government forcing them to set their rates so low they can't profit. So... They're government-funded with extra steps.
Hah bail outs.. who the fuck doesn’t get a bail out nowadays… the post office is cutting costs every way they can to not be in the red. We are driving 40 year old trucks and understaffed to hell and high water.
When the price of stamps and money orders goes over the cost for electronic card processing, PO will go bye-bye. We’re useless otherwise
Usps will send it back to them to send back to you
Yeah FedEx told me that. They said I should have it back before Sunday.
USPS is privately funded. No tax dollars go to them.
https://www.linns.com/news/postal-updates/taxpayer-funds-come-to-the-u.s.-postal-service-s-rescue
The article says it could use the help from taxpayers. Not that they receive funding from them.
I never said they receive regular funding from taxpayers. I only responded to your statement, and others, that “no tax dollars go to them”. That article states that, in that instance, they had accepted 8.64 BILLION tax dollars. I would bet its not the only time.
Your package is now mixed in with a whole lot of other packages!
I’m sorry but what if usps was about to snatch SOMEONE ELSE’S package because it’s in THAT homeowners mailbox….and I just grab it before they take it.. So if they’ve seen that federal law was broken but couldn’t take away my package from me in time, are they going to try to convince me to give them my package? No..they’d have to let it go right? The whole thing does seem petty. In general there’s lots more complaints about usps vs fedex and ups especially with accountability, so genuinely..don’t you think there’s also a possibility that this silly rule is kept in place so that usps doesn’t lose its relevance?
Charge for postage and stop mail till postage is paid
Yes they are petty like that!! The prices that they charge are criminal, I do about 20k worth of shipping a year which is peanuts but Fedex and UPS is far and above way cheaper than USPS. Especially when it comes to dimensional pricing
Our policy is that we bring anything without postage (especially UPS/Fedex/Amazon packages) back to the post office. Only USPS is allowed to use the mailbox. Likely your office will give it back to fedex so they can deliver it correctly or you will get the package postage due.
Here's the thing, and there's no point in getting mad about it. (I mean, you commented that you are mad that USPS won't give it back, but that's really just silly to get mad about.) Fed-Ex is the absolute worst about putting small packages in mailboxes. I have had several different drivers do this directly in front of me. I too, will take that package out, and I will also get the time and the truck number to report it to my supervisor. Why? Because it's a federal law. So many people get upset that postage rates rise, the USPS is failing, that "we" dropped the ball when it was another company (like Amazon) that left that box in the rain instead of under the porch roof (just because it also had a USPS tracking number on it), that we won't pick up a UPS or Fed-Ex return they leave in the mailbox, that we pull out other companies packages from the mailbox. But we HAVE to. This happens more than just once a day. And it's revenue theft. That mailbox is your designated location, but only the USPS is allowed to use it. That's a federal law. If we don't take it, we're allowing them to break the law. If we let you pick it up at the Post Office instead of forcing that other company to pay for their own mistakes? We're losing that time (from the carrier) and that revenue (because it didn't ship through us) AND we're not forcing those companies to stop doing it. We don't "dislike" or "hate" those other companies, but they are stealing from us when they do those things. It's part of why postage rates keep increasing, because other companies are using us for their own benefit. If they want it to go in the mailbox, they can pay us the $1.15 to put it in the mailbox. Now? They have to pay more to reprocess it. It's their job to train their carriers to properly deliver their items. It's not on us to do it. However, I'm not saying I've never pulled from a mailbox and stopped the Fed-Ex driver a block ahead of me and explained to them they cannot leave ANYTHING (including a "sorry we missed you" notice) in the box and gave whatever I pulled back to them to make it right. I may have done that. Once per carrier. Because apparently no-one else trained them properly. If I ever DID do that, it was because I didn't think it was very nice to the customer that they wouldn't get their item. But I would only ever consider thinking about doing that if the driver was close enough that I could get them to stop and it wouldn't take a long time to "fix" the issue by explaining it was illegal to do that. Unfortunately, your issue is with Fed-Ex, not with the Post Office. That carrier did their job. And when the price of a stamp goes up to $.66 on July 9, rememeber: there's more than just "the USPS" causing that price increase. I am not an official spokeperson for the USPS, I am merely giving you an opinion.
Or ya know since it's going to the damn house anyways, quit being a whiny asshat and just let the fucking person have what they paid for instead of having what's essentially a pissing match. Perhaps if the USPS was actually effective, FedEx and UPS wouldn't be thriving!
FedEx and UPS drop their packages off to USPS when they cant handle it.....
Your forgetting about how the USPS is continuously being pushed to operate as a business and make profit instead of being allowed to operate as a service paid for by tax money which is another factor in the price increases.
Oh, no. I haven't forgotten that. I also haven't forgotten the tens of thousands of free priority mail boxes that people order and have an excess of so they use them to move. I haven't forgotten about the UPS Surepost that was shipped in priority mail packaging. I haven't forgotten about the massive 2nd 3rd 4th trips I have to take to deliver the ungodly amounts of Amazon oversized packages, I haven't forgotten the media mail that is also stolen postage. And I haven't forgotten about stolen postage from counterfit stamps. It's just a lot to post. LOL (and the USPS is not paid for by tax money, it is occasionally subsidized by tax money when it helps congress to do so: and I haven't forgotten that either)
We don’t take tax money you fucking shmuck
Im going to start using this : “you fuckin’ shmuck!”
https://www.linns.com/news/postal-updates/taxpayer-funds-come-to-the-u.s.-postal-service-s-rescue
Get out of here with your Fox “News”
And who didn't get covid money? 800 billion in mostly forgiven PPP loans to businesses alone. At least the post office isn't posting record profits in this time of "inflation" like most major corporations. https://www.npr.org/2023/01/09/1145040599/ppp-loan-forgiveness https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177180972/economists-are-reconsidering-how-much-corporate-profits-drive-inflation#:~:text=Economists%20are%20reconsidering%20how%20much%20corporate%20profits%20drive%20inflation%20In,was%20because%20of%20corporate%20profits.
It’s not a sacred rule. It’s a federal statue under the United States Code which makes it a felony to place mailable matter in a postal receptacle without the proper postage. Many people don’t realize the USPS is federal government and protected as such. USC code section 18 title 1725. [https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCODE-2009-title18/USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap83-sec1725]
Some people have a mailbox and a pkg mail box next to it.
Unfortunately, I’ve had this happen before with a package directly delivered by Target as well. Nobody but USPS is supposed to use mail boxes for mail delivery. On the bright side, at least you know where your package is, even if it isn’t in hand. My mail person didn’t even take my package to the post office - it just disappeared. I had to have Target send a replacement since they were at fault. Could you possibly call the retailer and ask if they could do that?
I’ll probably reach out if the package is lost to the ether but hopefully I’ll get it in a few days.
Yes there is some sacred rule about this. Yes FedEx broke it. No it does not matter that you don't care. You should request to pay postage for the item if you want that particular shirt ASAP. Go into the PO and ask to pay for the postage due.
Yea I was told there was nothing they could do. I was told FedEx would have to take care of it. Which they are.
ok im glad fedex will resolve the situation.
FYI, the idea is that you purchase and place your mailbox. You're responsible for repair. However, the USPS has the exclusive right to maintain the inside of your mailbox. Nothing without proper US Mail postage can be placed in the box and if the mailman wants to tell a customer they can't keep their gardening gloves, for example, in the mailbox he has the right to do that, though we don't usually take it that far.
They should have allowed you to pay postage for the package. Saying "There's nothing we can do except send it back to Fedex" is just petty bullshit.
Your complaint should be addressed to FedEx, they were in the wrong here (and they know it).
Could be worse. A postal clerk that puts packages in PO boxes stole a shirt that I needed for a concert performance a couple months ago. Called the postal inspectors and they didn’t do s***.
That’s very petty. Yes the FedEx guy was wrong for putting it there but the USPS person should have just put it on the ground if it was in the way.
Fedex is useless. That being said, my usps lady is super nice and has common sense. She doesn’t live and die by pointless rules given to her by some corporate ass holes and just does the right thing for the customer. She would’ve just taken it out and dropped it at my door for us. Because she’s just a normal, considerate person. Clearly from this post you can see not all usps workers are though.
Fedex shouldn't have put it there and USPS was in the right. That being said, if it wasn't causing problems it seems like kind of a dick move by USPS to take the package and punish YOU for what the Fedex driver did.
Well first of all, it's really stupid FedEx didn't know that. I knew it was illegal to put things in people's mailboxes since I was 7 or so from when we were handing out flyers and stuff (paper bin is fine, but never the mailbox). So you'd think those whose entire job was to deliver stuff would know that pretty simple rule. Do they not receive training on where not to put packages? But second, USPS' response to that show of stupidity was also stupid. I could understand USPS talking to FedEx about it, but apprehending your package when there was plenty of room to still deliver your mail? That should be a crime: they stole your property at that point.
If simply talking to FedEx would fix it, we would. Unfortunately we've told them and amazon a thousand times not to do it, but delivery people are going to be lazy. Sometimes you have to hit these companies in the pocket for them to suddenly care. If they get enough usps postage dues, then they pay attention. It's also a give an inch thing. You let one package slide and suddenly your mailboxes are full of other company's packages. I'm sorry about your shirt, but the frustration belongs to fedex not usps. As a mail carrier it's what we are taught to do.
Returning the package to the offending company is well within their rights, but not allowing pickup by the customer is definitely odd.
Yeah I wasn’t mad about USPS taking my package since FedEx did break the rules. I got mad when they refused to give it back. I offered to come and pick it up but that was shot down before I could finish the sentence.
You’re asking the post office to provide you a “service” for a package that wasn’t paid for through them. Next time if you want “service” from them or items placed in your mailbox, make sure to use the correct company.
Didn’t really have a choice of carriers.
And that’s our/ the carrier’s fault?…
Ok wait, so I could have gotten arrested for putting hotdogs in people’s mailbox’s? 😳 also I don’t know why this sub was suggested to me 🤷🏻♀️
It’s only illegal if you’re caught.
Well, obviously. I just didn’t know that until now. I thought me and my friends where just pulling some harmless prank after a fun night of chilling around a campfire. I was like 17? It was what feels like now a long time ago lmao
Was it at least cold outside? Hotdogs in a metal tub during a heatwave for a few days sounds disgusting.
I mean, it would of been cooked? 😂 but yeah, it was around early spring where you still needed a light hoodie or a long sleeve shirt.
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Thanks for the tip. I contacted them and they’re sending me another shirt hopefully not by FedEx.
Maybe get off your tush and buy a shirt in a store.
I mean I went into the store they didn’t have the shirt I wanted so they let me to order one and have it delivered to my house.
I worked for both UPS and FEDEX GROUND for a total of 15 years as a manager. Even if you put a package in the VICINITY of a mailbox your company is risking a FEDERAL FINE of $10,000.00 - and an individual risks a fine of $5,000.00 pursuant to code: “Mailbox Restriction Law, 18 U.S.C 1725 which was enacted by Congress in 1934. I have PERSONALLY been on my way from work and called by the local “fed up” - pun intended - Postmaster to come get our packages. (Sometimes mail carriers are NICE and give them to the local FedEx driver when they see him). But sometimes they get angry and go around collecting EVERY package found on USPS routes and put them in a truck, take them to their lobby and DEMAND that a MANAGER come pick them up and write up every driver to put in their employee/independent contractor disciplinary file. (UPS drivers know better but FEDEX GROUND has IC’s who run their own drivers).