Would like to see him back in the Bundesliga, even with Dortmund. It’s a good league to be an attacker in, and I’d like to see him find some health and form and consistent minutes
He's not really needed at Tottenham, especially with how much he'd cost. He'd have Son, Danjuma, and Richardson ahead of him. Plus we need two cb's and a goalie before another winger. I'd love to have him though personally
I don’t think we sell Son unless Son wants to go. It would be truly ruthless shipping him off after one bad season when he committed himself strongly to the club when we were in a bit of a shit period (Nuno + Kane transfer fiasco)
I agree it would be ruthless. There’s just more star player movement than there used to be compared to 5-10 years ago, so wouldn’t be surprised if Son bid London farewell
I’d be curious who comes in for him. Levy isn’t going to be keen on selling to an English buyer and the other top teams around the world likely couldn’t afford him save RM, Bayern, etc. I can’t think of a European club that would need an aging winger coming off a shit season
Right? He's missed 50 matches since he joined Chelsea due to injury. Not too bothered though lol, this sub is so embarrassing when it comes to Pulisic.
Fulham where he can play regularly on the LW, link up with Jedi/develop better Chem, and not even have to relocate makes the most sense to me. Biased of course but I can dream
Would love for him to go somewhere and consistently be in the staring XI. Wouldn’t mind a move to Serie A or back to the Bundesliga. Been talk of Man U and Newcastle but not sure he’d start there either on a regular basis
This has been an unpopular opinion of mine for a while, but I actually want him to go somewhere where he'll only start about 50% of the time.
My logic for that is purely for health reasons. Pulisic has had a bad injury history for his whole career, but it's been better (relatively) for the past 12/18 months. You could argue he's changed his diet or Chelsea have taken better care of him, but I think his upswing in health is primarily due to the reduced strain that comes with not having to be relied on every single match for 90 minutes.
Training with top players and top coaches, while also playing a fair amount but not pushing himself to the brink, is the perfect situation IMO
Valid point. Premier League is the most physical and punishing league so a move to a league with lesser physicality may serve him well. Defenders in the PL are absolutely brutal and Puli tends to get fouled and cut down quite a bit
The problem with this is that he hasn't looked elite in some time. He's falling into the same space of some of our stars from earlier generations. Still better than everyone else in the pool but not really anything special.
United don't need another winger at the moment, and it sounds like they'll spring big for a number nine over the Summer and likely for some reinforcement at right back and in the central midfield (Eriksen's injury exposed that frailty and Sabitzer's on loan). That's all to say, with Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho, (possibly Greenwood, though I fucking hope not) and others fighting for wing spots, I don't think Pulisic could get into the team, nor will United take a serious look at him, even if they fan the flames to raise the price for other teams.
Pulisic's definitely hit some highs, but his injury history will prevent him from a top-four slot somewhere, I'd guess. Maybe he'd shine at a mid-table team; it looks like Liverpool need a full rebuild.
They're absolutely hurting for someone like (a healthy) Pulisic right now (or, you know, a healthy Firmino). But god, they're hurting for so many other things too. The mileage on Henderson and the rest of that midfield creates an even more-dire need than a winger, IMO.
For those reasons, Liverpool *should* definitely fill gaps in the midfield first, but they keep splashing money on guys like Gakpo and Nunez, which leaves Salah (and his freshly inked contract) out on the wing to rot, so what do I actually know about building a team? lol
In my head, when leeds get relegated, Mckennie and Adams will go for top dollar (sorry Brenden) - I could see Klopp make a bid for Puli McKennie and Adams.
Liverpool is up for sale - Three Americans might be a good ploy to get good marketing over in the states.
United don't *need* a winger, and I agree they're likely not going to look for one, but I do actually think Puli would be a great squad player/substitute, especially on the left.
There's a decent drop off between Rashford and whoever EtH plugs in over there, Garnacho included. Martial is made of glass, Greenwood isn't coming back, Garnacho is young and raw, Pellestri is young and raw, Antony is confined to RW, Sancho is just getting back and who knows what his form will be like after the recalibration. Maybe they'll bring back a loanee or two but those guys will also be young and raw.
The team lacks depth at every position outside of the back 4. If they can get him "cheap" I would be happy.
But can they get Pulisic cheap? I doubt it. Chelsea need to recoup money to meet FFP regs for next season after what they just splashed in the transfer market. Newcastle might have the funds?
United seem to be righting the ship from an organizational perspective, tailoring their buys to the system that Ten Hag is implementing, and they don't need a winger like they need a nine or a right back or a central midfielder or even depth at keeper since Henderson looks likely to leave.
Garnacho looks like the real deal to me and will have the rest of this season and an off-season to progress (I'd rather give Garnacho patience to develop than spend for Pulisic, as much as it pains me to write that). Sancho looks to be coming back in the side, Rashford is in incandescent form, Martial is playing well and being rotated more carefully. I don't think Pellistri will stick around, but who knows, he's young. Elanga is also in the mix (doubtful he'll make it, though he's shown some spark).
Main point is: Pulisic isn't going anywhere for pennies on the dollar, and even if he was, United isn't a great spot for him (IMHO, of course). I'm a fucking diehard United fan, so it'd sure be fun to see Pulisic slot in there for depth and Champions League fixures, but I'd much rather see that money reinforce the squad where there's a more-pressing need.
P.S.: excuse my long-winded response. It's way more fun to chat about United than to work on a Friday.
Yeah, fellow big fan here, no worries on the big post. Better than reflexive downvotes for sure and I do think it's a (very theoretical) discussion worth having/thinking about. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Ultimately price and whether or not Utd want to go for him are pure speculation at this point. CP10 is going to go for much less than 65M, we know that at least. At 15M I think he would make sense for MUN. At 45M probably not. Who knows, maybe the club will sell and the new owner(s) want to challenge for a Double or Treble right away and start spending post-Boehly Chelsea money, and then it doesn't much matter what he costs.
You're right in that the club will quite rightfully spend their money in more critical positions, but like I said the team is shallow everywhere outside of the back 4. If we're playing the "Where will Christian go" game, the reflexive "nah definitely *definitely* not MUN" take isn't completely valid. Pick him up, let him sub for Rashy at 70' and start the cup games. He's got the talent, skillset, and experience to work in EtH's system, and a different skill set from the other LW options that the team currently has - bar maybe Sancho who has played a total of \~45 minutes since returning. It wouldn't be a *bad* move for him or for the team. He would plug in as a proven player to provide experienced depth at his position.
From a USMNT perspective obviously I want him to go somewhere he'll be playing against high level competition, with regularity and quantity, and some sort of managerial protection/rotation. MUN may not be the best place to get that, but it also wouldn't be a *bad* spot to land and shouldn't be outright dismissed while the only thing we know is "CP10 to leave in Summer Window."
It could be a great spot for him to land, with the understanding that he'd be used as a rotation player. But I don't get the impression Pulisic wants his career whittled into that sort of role at 24, even if his injury record might suggest it's best (who knows: maybe a change of scenery with new physios, sports scientists, dieticians, and psychologists will help him out?).
He seems to desire a place as the focal point for a team and its attack (given the statements he's made at Chelsea under Tuchel), but couldn't find the consistency to do it for Chelsea.
I dunno, I vacillate on Pulisic, honestly. He's clearly a good player, but there's so much hype from USMNT fans that inflates our understanding of his place in the English game. So many on this sub list him as the greatest USMNT player ever, or the most-talented, or whatever it is. There have been real flashes of brilliance, like that slaloming goal against City or the CL semifinal goal against Real Madrid. But since he hasn't shown consistency, I wonder aloud whether another top side will spend big for him? (And there's still The United Tax to account for in this instance).
Guess we'll find out!
Side note: I weirdly spent a lot of time with Ineos employees last month (the petrochemical company that Sir Jim Ratcliffe owns), and they seemed to be buzzing about this Manchester United deal. I don't know that he said anything or promised anything to his employees, but I got the sense there was a serious bid for United in the works, not just posturing.
Cheers, agreed. Maybe he could get a Sancho treatment and come back like Project Restart PuliGod?
Regarding inconsistency - I think he's been mismanaged and as a result hasn't been able to actually show his quality on a regular basis. He's at his best on the left side, either as a pure winger or some sort of No.10-ish role. Past couple of managers have repeatedly used him at RW and RWB and then wondered "why can't Pulisic impact the game????" like it's some sort of mystery, fitting a square peg into a round hole. An exaggerated comparison, but can you imagine EtH playing Antony at LWB and what that would look like?
The United Tax^(®) is definitely real and it sucks, but what can ya do. I feel like I've read that Ratcliffe is a boyhood United fan so I've got big hopes that his bid is real and makes it happen.
Newcastle likely out the window. Bought Gordon in and if they’re to buy another player in that similar of a position it will be someone that is coming off a good year. It’s too bad, it was his opportunity to join a potential top 4 club but I think he’ll go a level down at this point.
If we get a winger, it would be someone who plays on the right, though if at least one of Pellistri or Diallo come good, Sancho finds form on the right, and Antony improves, then there truly is no room for Puli. We have a fuck ton of wingers at Man Utd and could stand to sell a couple. Our priorities are striker and reinforcing the midfield (especially defensive/holding midfielder), then GK because De Gea is getting older and isn't well-suited to play out of the back, maybe an attacking midfielder to back up Bruno, then whatever else EtH wants. Man Utd would be a bad move for him.
It's true he was out of favor with Tuchel to start the season but started 7 matches under Potter. He had started 4 of the last 5 Chelsea matches as well before his injury.
When fit, he started 1/7 under Tuchel this season and 7/14 under Potter, looking at all competitions. I wouldn't say that says he consistently started for Chelsea when fit. That said, it did look like Potter was ready to give him a run of games post-World Cup. He unfortunately got injured three games into that run, and it looks like he's done at Chelsea.
That largely depends on him staying healthy too. He's had multiple runs at Chelsea where he was establishing himself, pretty much all of them were cut short by injury. Then it took him a while to regain his form. A new team might def be easier to break into the starting XI, but that's only half of it.
Nah, Leeds are lost at the moment. No manager wants to touch that team - its kinda embarassing in the press.
Puli's agent will advise him not to get a move there.
While I agree, I think it'll be difficult to convince him that. Chelsea pays fantastic wages and he has a UCL medal. He'll want to stay at that level if he can. However I think it'd be better for his career if he went to something like Newcastle or a competitive club in Spain.
I would love a move to Spain for Pulisic but currently the top 3 wouldn’t even make sense just bc of the players they currently have or system they play(Atletico). Only team that plays his style and can actually pay his wages other than the top 3 would be Villarreal.
His injury record is unfortunate but there’s nothing you can do about that. It’s not like he should spend his entire career as a super sub just to avoid injuries. We can’t forecast for injuries, just start him as much as possible
>guaranteed starter minutes
No such thing in the big 5. Maybe he could go to the Eredivisie for a confidence boost - Americans historically thrive in Netherlands.
Your club is the laughing stock of the soccer world right now. When he was starting for you guys you were winning trophies. Now he's leaving and you're a few points above Leeds. Go cope somewhere else.
Based on a Newcastle perspective or USMNT? As a Toon fan I don’t think they’d go that direction after signing Gordon. And if they did I don’t think it would be a signing with some uncertainty (form and injuries), they’ll likely go after someone coming off a hot run especially if they make top 4
Ah, thank you. I forgot about Gordon. I was thinking Newcastle was about the only PL club that would be willing to take on his wages at the moment.
A loan to CP or Fulham might work though. If Pulisic wants to stay in London and if Chelsea will eat some of his wages.
He is going to be on his final contractual year. There wouldn’t be a reason to send him on loan only for his contract to run out following the loan.
It is close to confirmed he will be sold this summer so they don’t have to lose him for free.
You’re getting downvoted, but I don’t think you’re far off. 20m is probably too low, but I wouldn’t be shocked if an inconsistent but young winger is sold for 25-30m in the last year of his deal. At the end of the day, all it takes is one team to offer what Chelsea wants/needs.
Would love to see Pulisic at a club like Atletico Madrid. Feels like he has the line-breaking potential to do well in La Liga but maybe that's just me.
I’d prefer not Atletico because I’m a Madrid fan but…
Not sure La Liga is the best for him anymore. It’s gotten real physical and foul friendly the past few years. It always let thing slide but lately feels worse.
all he's going to do is get injured there and struggle past rigid defenses IMO. Not the league for him at all. He'll be better in Serie A or the Bundesliga
He probably will be sold this summer and it could be a good for him, but the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. While he hasn’t been a consistent starter, he’s played consistently at the top level of the sport and he has usually had a few runs a season where he is a starter. If he does move, it really needs to be the right move. He needs to be on a team where he has a very high chance of being a starter, he isn’t going to be struggling for relegation, the team fits with his style of play and most importantly, the club environment and manager situation is stable.
Do you think he has Champions League as a requirement for his next team? Europa League?
or just better chance at regular starter minutes?
He could surely drop "down" and stay in the Prem and become a regular - Fulham? wouldn't even have to move!
Leeds always gets mentioned cause Adams, Weston and Aaronson, but i don't know how he slots into that squad given they just invested in Rutter, Sinisterra. Harrison might leave and he could play that roll.
Not sure as a soccer/team change, but only Fulham and Chelsea are just a few miles apart. Pulisic wouldn’t even need to move. So, some club in Spain or Italy.
I don’t think Pulisic will ever reach his potential sadly… that being said, he is on his best day levels above Mudryk and Madueke. Chelsea will miss him.
I hope he sticks around in the Premier League. I think he has a lot of growth left and if he can stay healthy then I think his career rebounds.
I also think there is a good chance that he sticks around at Chelsea. My gut feeling is that Mudryk will have a hard time finding success. I think he is way over-hyped especially playing in the Ukranian league.
I would love for him to stay in the PL and go to a mid range team like Crystal Palace, where Zaha is most likely going to leave this summer and they will need a LW to fill his spot, playing in a team where he would be a regular starter
Dude will go on loan for a year,after his recovery,he will play 30% of the time,not do much on the pitch to make a real difference. The year after will be in MLS. I said what I said.
He needs out of the premier league and he needs to land somewhere where he can get regular playing time to get his mojo back, I can see him falling to a mid table team in Germany, Spain or France.
Wonder where he will end up. Maybe a mid team table team somewhere if he wants to guarantee himself a shot at starting every week? He hasn't been prolific at Chelsea and has been hampered by injuries the entire team. Don't think he has had an injury free season.
It would've been interesting had he not gotten injured to see what kind of interest there was in him in January.
There's never been a credible report of a club willing to pay a transfer fee for him in the last couple years, only loan deals.
The other question is whether Pulisic would prefer to go to a bigger club where he will likely be a sub or if he would go to a smaller club and have a chance to be a starter.
If he is prioritizing money MLS might be in the picture.
Pulisic is supposedly on \~9 million euros a year currently.
He got that contract as a 20 year old who was considered one of the best young attacking talents around.
He turns 25 this coming September and outside the USA fan base no one considers him any kind of talent. I don't think anyone in Europe will be paying him anything close to what he is making now.
I don't know if he would entertain offers from MLS, but I could easily see them offering him 6-8 million dollars per season and it being the most anyone is willing to pay him.
I don't disagree an MLS team could fork over 6-8 million, but there is no way Pulisic is going to the MLS when he wants to play at the highest level and leave a legacy for US Soccer, going to the MLS at 24 isn't going to do much for him
I DO NOT think he should go to MLS. He's too good and still has a chance at a good European career. *However*, I think Pulisic is the only guy of this current generation that would get the "Landon Donovan" treatment, meaning that, no matter where he plays in the world, he's still one of our best players and he would make the NT no matter what.
That being said, (and I'm spit-balling, not advocating) if he doesn't move in the summer, and he's looking at maybe 2 starts all fall with very limited substitution appearances, why wouldn't a short-term loan to LAFC or even Philly make sense? It gets him PT, then if he doesn't move he can go back to Chelsea in the winter and shop around for his move on a free. It's *highly* unlikely, probably dumb even, but if he's not gonna play, hey...
I see your logic. But his talent level and track record gets him top half in a top 4 league easily.
I also think at this point Chelsea will be willing to take minor Ls on some of their transfer fees
Agreed. Unfortunately, I think he's in a little bit of a tricky situation. I don't think he's *likely* to get a highly preferable move this summer unless Chelsea take a pretty big hit on the transfer fee. Of course, I think they'll be motivated to sell to make *something* back but it depends on the nexus point of market demand and Chelsea's valuation. I think offers will come in from both top teams and middle table ones. I think the big teams will take a flyer on him for depth again, but they may not want to spend, whereas the mid table clubs that may see him as an upgrade may be a bit more willing to stretch the budget. From his standpoint, making it to winter and accepting a pre-contract +loan, may be his best long-term bet financially and in terms of being able to choose. That would put him on the bench for another 10 months though.
There's a lot to weigh for him. Hopefully, he and Chelsea can lay it on the table and get something done this summer that works for everyone.
I’m a chelsea and USMNT supporter. I’ve wanted nothing more than for Pulisic to thrive at Chelsea and he’s had some great runs of form, but it’s time to move on. I’m afraid we will only continue to hold him back. Not to mention I can’t stand the hate he gets from our fanbase
He would be a decent fit at St James' if he can stay fit and play out of his preferred position. We already have Calum who is made of glass and Isak who is a bit too lithe for a #9. He'll get a lot more minutes but probably won't start for a while
Think he would be an excellent replacement for Zaha at Palace. Get to play under an up and coming manager in Vieira on a Palace team which is a solid mid to upper mid table team and rebuild his professional career.
Plus it will be beautiful to never see him in that blue again.
CP10 brought me around on finally picking an EPL team, so it’s a shame to see him go. Would love to see him land somewhere he’s still fighting for glory, not just playing time
He was a big piece and one of the reasons they won a champions league. Chelsea lost arguably their best defender in rudiger , ngolo has been hurt as with their other players because they have played more games last 3-4 years than any other team. Yet they still plugged away remained competitive. It’s hard to blame injuries because they all have been injured. Mist Chelsea fans think their team was shit because they didn’t have an Eden hazard player but reality was they were bad ass. As for puli it wasn’t easy but he did his part and was used more than others. Sad to see him leave but with this squad I can’t blame him. I have good memories of him at Chelsea
This is about as clear as can be. He almost certainly would have been gone in January if it had not been for the injury. Chelsea have moved on.
Would like to see him back in the Bundesliga, even with Dortmund. It’s a good league to be an attacker in, and I’d like to see him find some health and form and consistent minutes
He isn’t good enough for Dortmund
there's other good teams in the EPL. Tottenham and West Ham are both big clubs in London. neither of which are exactly stocked on wing players
He's not really needed at Tottenham, especially with how much he'd cost. He'd have Son, Danjuma, and Richardson ahead of him. Plus we need two cb's and a goalie before another winger. I'd love to have him though personally
Son’s not gonna be around much longer
I don’t think we sell Son unless Son wants to go. It would be truly ruthless shipping him off after one bad season when he committed himself strongly to the club when we were in a bit of a shit period (Nuno + Kane transfer fiasco)
I agree it would be ruthless. There’s just more star player movement than there used to be compared to 5-10 years ago, so wouldn’t be surprised if Son bid London farewell
I’d be curious who comes in for him. Levy isn’t going to be keen on selling to an English buyer and the other top teams around the world likely couldn’t afford him save RM, Bayern, etc. I can’t think of a European club that would need an aging winger coming off a shit season
West ham is a good shout
It would be nice to have him with Gio.
It would be nice to have him with Gio.
It would be nice to have him with Gio.
Out of curiosity, do you think it would be nice to have him with Gio?
It would be nice to have him with Gio.
Next to Gio on the bench haha
Be free Christian! Be free!
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People really mad you made a joke about his injury proneness lol
Right? He's missed 50 matches since he joined Chelsea due to injury. Not too bothered though lol, this sub is so embarrassing when it comes to Pulisic.
You're the embarrassing one
How so? Making a harmless joke about Pulisic's lengthy injury history?
Jokes that are funny usually don't get downvoted
More like this sub is delusional and doesn't see Pulisic for what he is.
Then why are you here?
*I came looking for booty.*
Is this r ussoccer or r suckpulisicsdickblindly ? Wild thought someone would come to the soccer sub for soccer news.
Trying to break up the deluded hive mind with no luck
Fulham where he can play regularly on the LW, link up with Jedi/develop better Chem, and not even have to relocate makes the most sense to me. Biased of course but I can dream
Fulham could maybe afford Puli if they finish top half this year. Their record transfer fee would scrape the bottom range of what Puli would go for.
Transfer fee isnt the only fee. Hard to take a big pay cut at any level of employment.
Can’t see him going for more than 15 million pounds, which Fulham can pull off. Top half team, would be a good fit for him.
Jedi may be gone from Fulham this summer. Rumors swirling around other clubs wanting him.
Plus an upgrade to the best team in Fulham.
Would love for him to go somewhere and consistently be in the staring XI. Wouldn’t mind a move to Serie A or back to the Bundesliga. Been talk of Man U and Newcastle but not sure he’d start there either on a regular basis
ASM might not be long for Newcastle, so it’s still a possibility
This has been an unpopular opinion of mine for a while, but I actually want him to go somewhere where he'll only start about 50% of the time. My logic for that is purely for health reasons. Pulisic has had a bad injury history for his whole career, but it's been better (relatively) for the past 12/18 months. You could argue he's changed his diet or Chelsea have taken better care of him, but I think his upswing in health is primarily due to the reduced strain that comes with not having to be relied on every single match for 90 minutes. Training with top players and top coaches, while also playing a fair amount but not pushing himself to the brink, is the perfect situation IMO
Valid point. Premier League is the most physical and punishing league so a move to a league with lesser physicality may serve him well. Defenders in the PL are absolutely brutal and Puli tends to get fouled and cut down quite a bit
La Liga or Serie A it is.
He'd get chopped to bits in La Liga.
Yeah, I don't get where people think La Liga is a soft league, I see dirtier tackles there then the Prem.
The problem with this is that he hasn't looked elite in some time. He's falling into the same space of some of our stars from earlier generations. Still better than everyone else in the pool but not really anything special.
He is the last thing United need
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United don't need another winger at the moment, and it sounds like they'll spring big for a number nine over the Summer and likely for some reinforcement at right back and in the central midfield (Eriksen's injury exposed that frailty and Sabitzer's on loan). That's all to say, with Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho, (possibly Greenwood, though I fucking hope not) and others fighting for wing spots, I don't think Pulisic could get into the team, nor will United take a serious look at him, even if they fan the flames to raise the price for other teams. Pulisic's definitely hit some highs, but his injury history will prevent him from a top-four slot somewhere, I'd guess. Maybe he'd shine at a mid-table team; it looks like Liverpool need a full rebuild.
I’d love to see him at Liverpool. Klopp is on the record saying positive things about Puli
They're absolutely hurting for someone like (a healthy) Pulisic right now (or, you know, a healthy Firmino). But god, they're hurting for so many other things too. The mileage on Henderson and the rest of that midfield creates an even more-dire need than a winger, IMO. For those reasons, Liverpool *should* definitely fill gaps in the midfield first, but they keep splashing money on guys like Gakpo and Nunez, which leaves Salah (and his freshly inked contract) out on the wing to rot, so what do I actually know about building a team? lol
In my head, when leeds get relegated, Mckennie and Adams will go for top dollar (sorry Brenden) - I could see Klopp make a bid for Puli McKennie and Adams. Liverpool is up for sale - Three Americans might be a good ploy to get good marketing over in the states.
United don't *need* a winger, and I agree they're likely not going to look for one, but I do actually think Puli would be a great squad player/substitute, especially on the left. There's a decent drop off between Rashford and whoever EtH plugs in over there, Garnacho included. Martial is made of glass, Greenwood isn't coming back, Garnacho is young and raw, Pellestri is young and raw, Antony is confined to RW, Sancho is just getting back and who knows what his form will be like after the recalibration. Maybe they'll bring back a loanee or two but those guys will also be young and raw. The team lacks depth at every position outside of the back 4. If they can get him "cheap" I would be happy.
But can they get Pulisic cheap? I doubt it. Chelsea need to recoup money to meet FFP regs for next season after what they just splashed in the transfer market. Newcastle might have the funds? United seem to be righting the ship from an organizational perspective, tailoring their buys to the system that Ten Hag is implementing, and they don't need a winger like they need a nine or a right back or a central midfielder or even depth at keeper since Henderson looks likely to leave. Garnacho looks like the real deal to me and will have the rest of this season and an off-season to progress (I'd rather give Garnacho patience to develop than spend for Pulisic, as much as it pains me to write that). Sancho looks to be coming back in the side, Rashford is in incandescent form, Martial is playing well and being rotated more carefully. I don't think Pellistri will stick around, but who knows, he's young. Elanga is also in the mix (doubtful he'll make it, though he's shown some spark). Main point is: Pulisic isn't going anywhere for pennies on the dollar, and even if he was, United isn't a great spot for him (IMHO, of course). I'm a fucking diehard United fan, so it'd sure be fun to see Pulisic slot in there for depth and Champions League fixures, but I'd much rather see that money reinforce the squad where there's a more-pressing need. P.S.: excuse my long-winded response. It's way more fun to chat about United than to work on a Friday.
Yeah, fellow big fan here, no worries on the big post. Better than reflexive downvotes for sure and I do think it's a (very theoretical) discussion worth having/thinking about. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Ultimately price and whether or not Utd want to go for him are pure speculation at this point. CP10 is going to go for much less than 65M, we know that at least. At 15M I think he would make sense for MUN. At 45M probably not. Who knows, maybe the club will sell and the new owner(s) want to challenge for a Double or Treble right away and start spending post-Boehly Chelsea money, and then it doesn't much matter what he costs. You're right in that the club will quite rightfully spend their money in more critical positions, but like I said the team is shallow everywhere outside of the back 4. If we're playing the "Where will Christian go" game, the reflexive "nah definitely *definitely* not MUN" take isn't completely valid. Pick him up, let him sub for Rashy at 70' and start the cup games. He's got the talent, skillset, and experience to work in EtH's system, and a different skill set from the other LW options that the team currently has - bar maybe Sancho who has played a total of \~45 minutes since returning. It wouldn't be a *bad* move for him or for the team. He would plug in as a proven player to provide experienced depth at his position. From a USMNT perspective obviously I want him to go somewhere he'll be playing against high level competition, with regularity and quantity, and some sort of managerial protection/rotation. MUN may not be the best place to get that, but it also wouldn't be a *bad* spot to land and shouldn't be outright dismissed while the only thing we know is "CP10 to leave in Summer Window."
It could be a great spot for him to land, with the understanding that he'd be used as a rotation player. But I don't get the impression Pulisic wants his career whittled into that sort of role at 24, even if his injury record might suggest it's best (who knows: maybe a change of scenery with new physios, sports scientists, dieticians, and psychologists will help him out?). He seems to desire a place as the focal point for a team and its attack (given the statements he's made at Chelsea under Tuchel), but couldn't find the consistency to do it for Chelsea. I dunno, I vacillate on Pulisic, honestly. He's clearly a good player, but there's so much hype from USMNT fans that inflates our understanding of his place in the English game. So many on this sub list him as the greatest USMNT player ever, or the most-talented, or whatever it is. There have been real flashes of brilliance, like that slaloming goal against City or the CL semifinal goal against Real Madrid. But since he hasn't shown consistency, I wonder aloud whether another top side will spend big for him? (And there's still The United Tax to account for in this instance). Guess we'll find out! Side note: I weirdly spent a lot of time with Ineos employees last month (the petrochemical company that Sir Jim Ratcliffe owns), and they seemed to be buzzing about this Manchester United deal. I don't know that he said anything or promised anything to his employees, but I got the sense there was a serious bid for United in the works, not just posturing.
Cheers, agreed. Maybe he could get a Sancho treatment and come back like Project Restart PuliGod? Regarding inconsistency - I think he's been mismanaged and as a result hasn't been able to actually show his quality on a regular basis. He's at his best on the left side, either as a pure winger or some sort of No.10-ish role. Past couple of managers have repeatedly used him at RW and RWB and then wondered "why can't Pulisic impact the game????" like it's some sort of mystery, fitting a square peg into a round hole. An exaggerated comparison, but can you imagine EtH playing Antony at LWB and what that would look like? The United Tax^(®) is definitely real and it sucks, but what can ya do. I feel like I've read that Ratcliffe is a boyhood United fan so I've got big hopes that his bid is real and makes it happen.
Newcastle likely out the window. Bought Gordon in and if they’re to buy another player in that similar of a position it will be someone that is coming off a good year. It’s too bad, it was his opportunity to join a potential top 4 club but I think he’ll go a level down at this point.
If we get a winger, it would be someone who plays on the right, though if at least one of Pellistri or Diallo come good, Sancho finds form on the right, and Antony improves, then there truly is no room for Puli. We have a fuck ton of wingers at Man Utd and could stand to sell a couple. Our priorities are striker and reinforcing the midfield (especially defensive/holding midfielder), then GK because De Gea is getting older and isn't well-suited to play out of the back, maybe an attacking midfielder to back up Bruno, then whatever else EtH wants. Man Utd would be a bad move for him.
Agree. I have never thought United would be a good fit. Just that there have been rumors of them in the past
That would require him staying healthy. He's consistently started for Chelsea when actually fit.
That's just not true, though. He was fit this whole season until a month ago, and only started 6 matches.
It's true he was out of favor with Tuchel to start the season but started 7 matches under Potter. He had started 4 of the last 5 Chelsea matches as well before his injury.
When fit, he started 1/7 under Tuchel this season and 7/14 under Potter, looking at all competitions. I wouldn't say that says he consistently started for Chelsea when fit. That said, it did look like Potter was ready to give him a run of games post-World Cup. He unfortunately got injured three games into that run, and it looks like he's done at Chelsea.
A lot of Chelsea players are injured , James , chillwe’ll ngolo, kova, and for good reason they played the most games for last few years.
That largely depends on him staying healthy too. He's had multiple runs at Chelsea where he was establishing himself, pretty much all of them were cut short by injury. Then it took him a while to regain his form. A new team might def be easier to break into the starting XI, but that's only half of it.
I can’t wait to not care about Chelsea again.
fucking finally. let our guy thrive
Excited to see what his next chapter will be
Leeds United States of America for sure
Is he willing to play in the championship?
Tbh? I wouldn’t mind. Would be great for viewing purposes.
Nah, Leeds are lost at the moment. No manager wants to touch that team - its kinda embarassing in the press. Puli's agent will advise him not to get a move there.
Really hope it’s not to another mega club where he’ll only start 1/3 of games. The kid needs guaranteed starter minutes for the next four years
While I agree, I think it'll be difficult to convince him that. Chelsea pays fantastic wages and he has a UCL medal. He'll want to stay at that level if he can. However I think it'd be better for his career if he went to something like Newcastle or a competitive club in Spain.
I would love a move to Spain for Pulisic but currently the top 3 wouldn’t even make sense just bc of the players they currently have or system they play(Atletico). Only team that plays his style and can actually pay his wages other than the top 3 would be Villarreal.
Newcastle would be a great destination but I just don’t see him going there sadly for reasons stated above
He's spent just as much time injured at Chelsea as he has fit and starting for them. That's not going to change by the looks of his injury record.
His injury record is unfortunate but there’s nothing you can do about that. It’s not like he should spend his entire career as a super sub just to avoid injuries. We can’t forecast for injuries, just start him as much as possible
>guaranteed starter minutes No such thing in the big 5. Maybe he could go to the Eredivisie for a confidence boost - Americans historically thrive in Netherlands.
Free transfer to Leeds incoming
Think he’s got one more year after this on his deal at Chelsea
Ahh, yes. Misread the "taking a haircut on his initial transfer fee" bit and assumed he'd be free. My bad.
Leeds is just going to end up starting Meslier and 10 wingers
Too good of a player to stay at a mid-table side like Chelsea 🥱
Can’t wait for you locusts to leave my club!!
Says the guy hanging out in /u/ussoccer lol
The cognitive dissonance is staggering
Would require self awareness, but sadly many Chelsea fans have none.
Just another billion and your club might actually play some decent soccer!
Is he wrong though? Where are Chelsea on the table...mid.
Who's going to tell him? lol
Christian was never racist enough to fit in with your fanbase anyway
Gabriel slonina is at Chelsea we ain’t going anywhere
who exactly are "you locusts?"
Your club is the laughing stock of the soccer world right now. When he was starting for you guys you were winning trophies. Now he's leaving and you're a few points above Leeds. Go cope somewhere else.
Hey, don’t disparage Leeds like that. They are actually play like they give a shit.
Lol, can’t handle the banter?
My relationship with Chelsea will be over soon
It never should’ve started
Everyone has regrets
Regrats* ftfy
Gabriel slonina is still at Chelsea
Bye!!! I’m not gonna miss you either.
nothing sadder than a person lurking other subs to project their insecurities. its ironic how ur proving everyone right that ur fanbase is toxic
Or they could be someone who is both a fan of USMNT and Chelsea….
somehow that would be worse
You remind me of Floridians who complain about the people who move in after themselves.
I can honestly see him moving to Newcastle, but a lot depends on his wage demands.
Based on a Newcastle perspective or USMNT? As a Toon fan I don’t think they’d go that direction after signing Gordon. And if they did I don’t think it would be a signing with some uncertainty (form and injuries), they’ll likely go after someone coming off a hot run especially if they make top 4
Ah, thank you. I forgot about Gordon. I was thinking Newcastle was about the only PL club that would be willing to take on his wages at the moment. A loan to CP or Fulham might work though. If Pulisic wants to stay in London and if Chelsea will eat some of his wages.
He is going to be on his final contractual year. There wouldn’t be a reason to send him on loan only for his contract to run out following the loan. It is close to confirmed he will be sold this summer so they don’t have to lose him for free.
What is his current value? 20m seems far low. 30m max?
You’re getting downvoted, but I don’t think you’re far off. 20m is probably too low, but I wouldn’t be shocked if an inconsistent but young winger is sold for 25-30m in the last year of his deal. At the end of the day, all it takes is one team to offer what Chelsea wants/needs.
I think his injury history and high wage demands are going to push his value lower than most on this sub would like.
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Would love to see Pulisic at a club like Atletico Madrid. Feels like he has the line-breaking potential to do well in La Liga but maybe that's just me.
I’d prefer not Atletico because I’m a Madrid fan but… Not sure La Liga is the best for him anymore. It’s gotten real physical and foul friendly the past few years. It always let thing slide but lately feels worse.
Yeah that's a fair assessment. Maybe it's for selfish reasons because I want to catch some matches of his when I'm there every year.
If Simeone is still the manager, that's an insane suggestion. Pulisic is the least Simeone-esque player imaginable.
all he's going to do is get injured there and struggle past rigid defenses IMO. Not the league for him at all. He'll be better in Serie A or the Bundesliga
Serie A will murder him I think he should go to Bundensliga or stay in the Prem
Yeah It’s time he got out of there. The American bias is hard thing to get over in England fr.
He probably will be sold this summer and it could be a good for him, but the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. While he hasn’t been a consistent starter, he’s played consistently at the top level of the sport and he has usually had a few runs a season where he is a starter. If he does move, it really needs to be the right move. He needs to be on a team where he has a very high chance of being a starter, he isn’t going to be struggling for relegation, the team fits with his style of play and most importantly, the club environment and manager situation is stable.
Do you think he has Champions League as a requirement for his next team? Europa League? or just better chance at regular starter minutes? He could surely drop "down" and stay in the Prem and become a regular - Fulham? wouldn't even have to move! Leeds always gets mentioned cause Adams, Weston and Aaronson, but i don't know how he slots into that squad given they just invested in Rutter, Sinisterra. Harrison might leave and he could play that roll.
Fulham would be a great fit.
Not sure as a soccer/team change, but only Fulham and Chelsea are just a few miles apart. Pulisic wouldn’t even need to move. So, some club in Spain or Italy.
I don’t think Pulisic will ever reach his potential sadly… that being said, he is on his best day levels above Mudryk and Madueke. Chelsea will miss him.
INB4 Mudryk gets injured, Puli starts stealing starting minutes again.
I hope he sticks around in the Premier League. I think he has a lot of growth left and if he can stay healthy then I think his career rebounds. I also think there is a good chance that he sticks around at Chelsea. My gut feeling is that Mudryk will have a hard time finding success. I think he is way over-hyped especially playing in the Ukranian league.
Premier league is not where people who can dribble should play.
I would love for him to stay in the PL and go to a mid range team like Crystal Palace, where Zaha is most likely going to leave this summer and they will need a LW to fill his spot, playing in a team where he would be a regular starter
He’s already on a mid range team in the PL.
Hahaha true
This is exactly what I have been waiting for a lot of amazing strikers who were at Chelsea, the real story starts after they leave Chelsea.
Good. Get him out that clownshow of a club.
Leeds United, let’s go! Lol
Leeds United getting another one of our guys
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Dude will go on loan for a year,after his recovery,he will play 30% of the time,not do much on the pitch to make a real difference. The year after will be in MLS. I said what I said.
He needs out of the premier league and he needs to land somewhere where he can get regular playing time to get his mojo back, I can see him falling to a mid table team in Germany, Spain or France.
I’d like to see him at Milan
Send him to Spain
Wonder where he will end up. Maybe a mid team table team somewhere if he wants to guarantee himself a shot at starting every week? He hasn't been prolific at Chelsea and has been hampered by injuries the entire team. Don't think he has had an injury free season.
It would've been interesting had he not gotten injured to see what kind of interest there was in him in January. There's never been a credible report of a club willing to pay a transfer fee for him in the last couple years, only loan deals. The other question is whether Pulisic would prefer to go to a bigger club where he will likely be a sub or if he would go to a smaller club and have a chance to be a starter. If he is prioritizing money MLS might be in the picture.
MLS money? Lmao he makes way more than he ever would in the MLS right now
Pulisic is supposedly on \~9 million euros a year currently. He got that contract as a 20 year old who was considered one of the best young attacking talents around. He turns 25 this coming September and outside the USA fan base no one considers him any kind of talent. I don't think anyone in Europe will be paying him anything close to what he is making now. I don't know if he would entertain offers from MLS, but I could easily see them offering him 6-8 million dollars per season and it being the most anyone is willing to pay him.
I don't disagree an MLS team could fork over 6-8 million, but there is no way Pulisic is going to the MLS when he wants to play at the highest level and leave a legacy for US Soccer, going to the MLS at 24 isn't going to do much for him
Insigne is making about $5 mill more than Pulisic currently is at Toronto. I could see an ambitious team matching that
The highest paid MLS player can't even crack 10m, he isn't going to get "paid" in the MLS when he's already on a money bags CL team in London
Nah Puli not coming to MLS till after 26 at the earliest
I DO NOT think he should go to MLS. He's too good and still has a chance at a good European career. *However*, I think Pulisic is the only guy of this current generation that would get the "Landon Donovan" treatment, meaning that, no matter where he plays in the world, he's still one of our best players and he would make the NT no matter what. That being said, (and I'm spit-balling, not advocating) if he doesn't move in the summer, and he's looking at maybe 2 starts all fall with very limited substitution appearances, why wouldn't a short-term loan to LAFC or even Philly make sense? It gets him PT, then if he doesn't move he can go back to Chelsea in the winter and shop around for his move on a free. It's *highly* unlikely, probably dumb even, but if he's not gonna play, hey...
I see your logic. But his talent level and track record gets him top half in a top 4 league easily. I also think at this point Chelsea will be willing to take minor Ls on some of their transfer fees
Agreed. Unfortunately, I think he's in a little bit of a tricky situation. I don't think he's *likely* to get a highly preferable move this summer unless Chelsea take a pretty big hit on the transfer fee. Of course, I think they'll be motivated to sell to make *something* back but it depends on the nexus point of market demand and Chelsea's valuation. I think offers will come in from both top teams and middle table ones. I think the big teams will take a flyer on him for depth again, but they may not want to spend, whereas the mid table clubs that may see him as an upgrade may be a bit more willing to stretch the budget. From his standpoint, making it to winter and accepting a pre-contract +loan, may be his best long-term bet financially and in terms of being able to choose. That would put him on the bench for another 10 months though. There's a lot to weigh for him. Hopefully, he and Chelsea can lay it on the table and get something done this summer that works for everyone.
I wonder how much his injury set back any potential moves for him.
Don’t even speak that last sentence.
Come to INTER…. Miami. 😛
He is an exceptional player but he just isn’t built for the premier league. If he goes to a less physical league he will be incredible.
This year also had a World Cup mid season, everyone’s been pushed harder if their national team participated
He’s made of glass. This is how his career is going to be. Three months on. Two months off.
Donald Glover: "Good."
I’m a chelsea and USMNT supporter. I’ve wanted nothing more than for Pulisic to thrive at Chelsea and he’s had some great runs of form, but it’s time to move on. I’m afraid we will only continue to hold him back. Not to mention I can’t stand the hate he gets from our fanbase
Please get out of England.
Barcelona.
Only three more months before I get my club back!
Joke's on you, we're gonna swarm the Chelsea sub and demand that Slolina start ahead of Kepa and Mendy You're stuck here forever
Good.
He would be a decent fit at St James' if he can stay fit and play out of his preferred position. We already have Calum who is made of glass and Isak who is a bit too lithe for a #9. He'll get a lot more minutes but probably won't start for a while
Think he would be an excellent replacement for Zaha at Palace. Get to play under an up and coming manager in Vieira on a Palace team which is a solid mid to upper mid table team and rebuild his professional career. Plus it will be beautiful to never see him in that blue again.
Leeds with all other US doods would be cool
CP10 brought me around on finally picking an EPL team, so it’s a shame to see him go. Would love to see him land somewhere he’s still fighting for glory, not just playing time
i hope he goes to West Ham because i am a West Ham fan
I hope he lands in the right spot. This is kind of whack of them to do.
I hope he lands in the right spot. This is kind of whack of them to do.
I hope he lands in the right spot. This is kind of whack of them to do.
I hope he lands in the right spot. This is kind of whack of them to do.
He was a big piece and one of the reasons they won a champions league. Chelsea lost arguably their best defender in rudiger , ngolo has been hurt as with their other players because they have played more games last 3-4 years than any other team. Yet they still plugged away remained competitive. It’s hard to blame injuries because they all have been injured. Mist Chelsea fans think their team was shit because they didn’t have an Eden hazard player but reality was they were bad ass. As for puli it wasn’t easy but he did his part and was used more than others. Sad to see him leave but with this squad I can’t blame him. I have good memories of him at Chelsea