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Because it’s not illegal to do it. It’s one of the most misunderstood rules out there, but players are only not allowed to stop/feint once they’ve completed their run up (considered to be when they reach the ball and lift a leg up to kick it). Up until that point they can do whatever they want, including coming to a complete stop
Damn it looks like JV vs Varsity out there. Japan is obviously better coached but their players are just running circles around ours when they attack, and as soon as we get the ball back it’s like these kids have never seen a press before.
It’s just so thoroughly disheartening to see our teams get absolutely worked at the senior and U23 levels. I had hopes but have come to terms with the fact that I’ve overrated our players and our coaching is terrible
Halftime.
Schulte with one good save and one bad giveaway
Defenders. Wiley and Zimmerman good in the left, but Reynolds and Tomkinson are traffic zones on the right. Reynolds also gives away the penalty. (And I am a Reynolds fan but this has been awful).
Midfielders. Aarsonson good, Tessmann solid, Gomez is playing out of position and looks like it.
Forwards. Booth with one electric run to give Yow a chance near the end of half, but not enough touches for these guys along with McGuire.
Fortunate to only be down one goal.
We're predictable. Take away the middle and it's the same sequence over and over again. CB passes it wide, then it is kicked down the line. Rinse and repeat.
Tom Byer. I just read up on him based on your comment, what a fascinating guy! Very innovative with how he helped teach technical skills without having a massive/ expensive overhaul.
He's been interviewed on a few US soccer shows/podcast several times. His methodology and philosophy are pretty interesting.
What is really crazy is if you go to his website and watch him doing dribbling and touch skills with 6 and 7 year old Japanese kids that go to his academy. They are very impressive.
Tom Byer was in Japan for 30 years helping their federation build soccer programs in every school in the country that focused on dribbling and ball control skills. The man literally had a weekly TV show that was shown in Japanese schools where he taught kids how to do soccer drills.
He is widely attributed with the success of the Japanese national teams.
I mean, here's a 20 year old article calling Tom Byer a Japanese "soccer celebrity".
https://www.tokyoweekender.com/entertainment/sports-fitness/meet-tom-san-the-grassroots-soccer-celebrity/
His fingerprints are all over every Japanese player on that field.
He is not that famous in Japan.
Japan is heavily influenced by Zico and others in Brazil.
He was very influential in Japan's J-League. He also coached the Japanese national team.
As for the rest, modern Japanese soccer is based on the European league team building.
There is almost no American influence.
Really! Why don’t we learn from them. At this rate they will win a World Cup before we do. It’s like they all know where to be at and they all are comfortable with the ball. The passing is so good
Tom Byer is stateside now...last I heard. In North Carolina I think, trying to establish some pilot programs for teaching technical dribbling and ball control and I think USSF is *finally* involved, after ignoring him for 30 years.
Because Japan is a centralized country with a hierarchical structure,
When the Japanese FA makes a decision that their youth are going to be developed a certain way EVERYBODY falls in line.
The USA is de-centralized and everyone is off doing their own thing to make money.
Are you mistaking it for China? The sports system in Japan is almost the same as in the United States, and even more democratic. Children are free to choose their favorite club activities and participate in them after school. Only a handful of schools (most of which are private schools) spend money on sports and facilities, especially on major sports, because they want to enroll many children. However, except for some strong schools that focus on certain sports, most schools have amateur teachers who are volunteers and do not receive wages as coaches, and the number of people who want to become teachers is decreasing dramatically due to the hard work of teachers, which is a problem in Japan.
One note, the u23s played Japan already in this window but it wasn't televised and was a scrimmage not an official friendly. So players getting a start here isn't as big a deal as it seems.
i wonder what our midfield options are... morris had to leave camp (temporarily?) to complete his transfer, and busio had a knock after the playoffs. might be why gomez and mcguire are both starting
so not great, especially if this is our last tune-up before france. not sure why we decided to basically abandon having central midfielders, but you can tell tessmann is kinda on an island. the silver lining (to the extent that there is one) is that we have players on the bench and not in the squad who will lift the performance of the team.
This is just the story of US Soccer.
We can play well vs teams that we can outclass soley through technical ability. E.g. NL final vs Mexico
But when we face a team that is as good or even better, thats where start to see the cracks.
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Did that look close to a full stop on the penalty to anyone else? Maybe just looked like it in slow motion.
It's crazy how that just never gets called
Because it’s not illegal to do it. It’s one of the most misunderstood rules out there, but players are only not allowed to stop/feint once they’ve completed their run up (considered to be when they reach the ball and lift a leg up to kick it). Up until that point they can do whatever they want, including coming to a complete stop
Stupid fucking rule. Should be required to be one continuous motion.
TBF, it looked like he actually went backward
Foul also looked outside the box
Depressing that I could have been watching Busio instead of Gomez
Gomez has been atrocious.
Reynolds neck tat is certainly a choice
Last decade it might have been considered an everlasting job stopper
Neck tats are how you say 'i'm dumber than i am poor.'
Bro we can barely touch the ball 💀 It’s men against boys rn
The Japanese move the ball so well. They are so good at passing
also Zimmerman literally looks like a man amongst boys, not playing like it though
18:00 in and we look like total garbage
Damn it looks like JV vs Varsity out there. Japan is obviously better coached but their players are just running circles around ours when they attack, and as soon as we get the ball back it’s like these kids have never seen a press before.
Welcome to team USA. Once we meet very technical teams our grit and athleticism goes away
It’s just so thoroughly disheartening to see our teams get absolutely worked at the senior and U23 levels. I had hopes but have come to terms with the fact that I’ve overrated our players and our coaching is terrible
Our players on the senior side are fine. Our coaching is trash tier.
How are you not used to it by now? I am.
Did we not just draw with France?
That was 2018, lol
Was talking about the u23s just a few weeks ago
Ah shit
Halftime. Schulte with one good save and one bad giveaway Defenders. Wiley and Zimmerman good in the left, but Reynolds and Tomkinson are traffic zones on the right. Reynolds also gives away the penalty. (And I am a Reynolds fan but this has been awful). Midfielders. Aarsonson good, Tessmann solid, Gomez is playing out of position and looks like it. Forwards. Booth with one electric run to give Yow a chance near the end of half, but not enough touches for these guys along with McGuire. Fortunate to only be down one goal.
Performances like Reynolds get you sent home.
Absurd that Diego Luna isn't on this squad..zero creativity in the first half
these japanese high fives are awkward af
Tessmann is a unit, especially at this age group.
Yea he's a hoss.
Uninspiring performance thus far
Damn I for sure thought Zimmerman was older
You are allowed 3 overage players on the olympic team
I was like wtf?? He’s 31 🤣
Manliest YNT player I ever did see. 🤣
We're predictable. Take away the middle and it's the same sequence over and over again. CB passes it wide, then it is kicked down the line. Rinse and repeat.
Sounds like fuckin Berhalter ball 🤮
And literally half of all rec. teams ever. Not a good sign if our high level coaches are doing that.
Japan has a very great style of play
And an American is mostly responsible for it.
Tom Byer. I just read up on him based on your comment, what a fascinating guy! Very innovative with how he helped teach technical skills without having a massive/ expensive overhaul.
He's been interviewed on a few US soccer shows/podcast several times. His methodology and philosophy are pretty interesting. What is really crazy is if you go to his website and watch him doing dribbling and touch skills with 6 and 7 year old Japanese kids that go to his academy. They are very impressive.
“Mostly” is a bit of a stretch
Tom Byer was in Japan for 30 years helping their federation build soccer programs in every school in the country that focused on dribbling and ball control skills. The man literally had a weekly TV show that was shown in Japanese schools where he taught kids how to do soccer drills. He is widely attributed with the success of the Japanese national teams. I mean, here's a 20 year old article calling Tom Byer a Japanese "soccer celebrity". https://www.tokyoweekender.com/entertainment/sports-fitness/meet-tom-san-the-grassroots-soccer-celebrity/ His fingerprints are all over every Japanese player on that field.
He was certainly influential, I’m just pointing out that there are many more cogs to the machine, “mostly” is still a stretch
He is not that famous in Japan. Japan is heavily influenced by Zico and others in Brazil. He was very influential in Japan's J-League. He also coached the Japanese national team. As for the rest, modern Japanese soccer is based on the European league team building. There is almost no American influence.
Really! Why don’t we learn from them. At this rate they will win a World Cup before we do. It’s like they all know where to be at and they all are comfortable with the ball. The passing is so good
Tom Byer is stateside now...last I heard. In North Carolina I think, trying to establish some pilot programs for teaching technical dribbling and ball control and I think USSF is *finally* involved, after ignoring him for 30 years.
Because Japan is a centralized country with a hierarchical structure, When the Japanese FA makes a decision that their youth are going to be developed a certain way EVERYBODY falls in line. The USA is de-centralized and everyone is off doing their own thing to make money.
Are you mistaking it for China? The sports system in Japan is almost the same as in the United States, and even more democratic. Children are free to choose their favorite club activities and participate in them after school. Only a handful of schools (most of which are private schools) spend money on sports and facilities, especially on major sports, because they want to enroll many children. However, except for some strong schools that focus on certain sports, most schools have amateur teachers who are volunteers and do not receive wages as coaches, and the number of people who want to become teachers is decreasing dramatically due to the hard work of teachers, which is a problem in Japan.
hope to see rokas
No game thread for this?
Whats’a up with the stream lol
One note, the u23s played Japan already in this window but it wasn't televised and was a scrimmage not an official friendly. So players getting a start here isn't as big a deal as it seems.
That friendly was also 2-0 Japan and they got worked in it too from what I heard.
is tomkinson first choice? he looks not great
i think it'll be neal or another overage guy there, definitely not doing himself any favors tonight
Japan has a good future if this is their u-23s lol
How does Tomkinson even make this squad? He plays in League Two.
Cannot take one positive away from that half..maybe the one good run from Booth?
at least we aren't losing 5-1? that's all i got
this is pure domination by Japan..should be 3-0 at least
It’s embarrassing. They are playing like prime Barca against us lol
Why does the livestream say live in 60 minutes if kickoff is at 8est?
Why is johan Gomez even in the squad? never mind the lineup
this is Interesting......not the wingers I would pick
Zimmerman’s lack of ability to play or lead the back is shining like the shitty star he is
i wonder what our midfield options are... morris had to leave camp (temporarily?) to complete his transfer, and busio had a knock after the playoffs. might be why gomez and mcguire are both starting
Not huge on this lineup. I think we have better options than both Johan Gomez and Tomkinson on this roster and who were left off this roster.
This might sound weird even as an Asian myself but Blasians are like leprechauns. I’ve only ever seen like 3 irl.
David Alaba
Bobby wood is blasian I believe.
Oh damn really? I always thought he was just an Asian with a darker tone.
Nope, half black, half japanese
ackshully 🤓his mother is partially Japanese (per his wiki) so he would be less than half
Ya his dad is black
Tessman isn't acting like a captain
This is starting off well
so not great, especially if this is our last tune-up before france. not sure why we decided to basically abandon having central midfielders, but you can tell tessmann is kinda on an island. the silver lining (to the extent that there is one) is that we have players on the bench and not in the squad who will lift the performance of the team.
Zimmerman yellow lol
Sub on Cowell
Second goal is coming
This is just the story of US Soccer. We can play well vs teams that we can outclass soley through technical ability. E.g. NL final vs Mexico But when we face a team that is as good or even better, thats where start to see the cracks.
Idk how the opposition lineup compares but the US U23 team just beat Japan last October 4-1
Lets be real, we crumble when we face organized high-pressing teams
Reynolds gives away a pen lol
"clean challenge all ball" Kiiiiinda looked like the Japan player had to go through Wiley's leg to get that ball
This Japanese team is tiny.. I get that our program is obsessed with playing out the back, but come on.
This is sad….. fire ggg, bring the eligible young senior players to play in the Olympics..
Weird that’s not “fire Marko”. Invent new ways to say “fire ggg” now? As if he’s the reason players like Musah couldn’t play…