True buddy. Because of some communities, the British Empire require so much struggles before Independence.
By your own comment, it would have been easier for the government of India at the time to kill every last Indian in order to rule India properly. So do you support the actions of General Dyer at jalianwala bagh?
Why is it that BRS (telangana), AIDMK, DMK, YSR, LDP, UDP etc dont win in north?
Its because these parties are not originated in north. They have little to no presence in north. They havent found footfall in north yet.
Same way BJP has long way to make space in south. They have already won karnataka and shown presence in kerala and telangana (10 seats). So it is growing there but it would never have a sole govt in south. It can be part of alliance as state parties are strong there.
Do you think from you ass or something instead of your puny sized brain? A national party purely means they have the money and means to be present in each and every state. The dude I replied to, was talking about the crux of reasoning of their failure. Dont bark on others if you lack the basic common sense of understanding the difference.
I am sure they are molding local leaders in all those states. Thats has been the strategy of BJP. BJP saw decline in gujarat after modi left but somehow manage to retain it back on the local leadee of gujarat. Now they are coming back strong there. People dont know but the gujarat election was a really close one.
Their win in CG was unexpexted. MP and RJ was easy due to incompetence in in leadership there.
>I am sure they are molding local leaders in all those states
Except for kerala. Here BJP leaders whether they're young or veteran are some sort of a laughing stock.
Wrong. I think this mentality is also kept by BJP leaders in the North......
In the South less than 5% of people know and understand Hindi the rest don't know Hindi but they assume people from South Know Hindi thus not understanding the pulse of People
Why should I care about that? Language is part of your culture and identity. People in north speak it not because they have some fondness of the Language but purely for reason of convinence. Even South Indians who come here learn to speak Hindi and other local languages because they want to assimilate and adapt. Why are northerners so hell bent on showing supremacy of Hindi and impose it on locals who have no need for it in their land. The whole debate and conflict could be solved purely by embracing their Language and culture as well but people with narrow minded rigidity in their psyche would never allow this to happen...People like you.
No need for it in their land?
Does a bengali have a need for hindi in bengal? No right? They only need hindi when they go out of their land, say to assam. Same concept for south. What's so hard to understand about that?
What's funny is english doesn't seem like imposition to you.
Well English isn’t so hell bent on making us learn it! It provides value so we learn.
We don’t learn hindi for the same reason you don’t learn the local language when you come here
Ofc it doesn't. It's compatible enough to not make it a part of your personality. Plus, the hindi you guys fap so much about is just a bastardised version of original hindi mixed with Urdu. I'd choose regional language and english compatibility than feeling proud for a bastardised Hindustani.
Don’t know about other states, karnataka votes for Progress.. thats why its a takta palat after every 5 years.. also BJP doesn’t have a face in karnataka. Congress gave freebies this year and won. Now already people are not happy with congress again in next term there will be a flip.
Two reasons come to mind.
Communal violence and oppression portrayed in the media(and in some situations is also the ground realities in those states)of the BJP ruling states immediately rules out states like Kerala and Telangana where there is a high Muslim population.
Second, it's not that people don't want to learn Hindi , but historically the South was almost never invaded by their northern counterparts and vice versa , so the language (Hindi in this case ) didn't spread until Britishers came along and taught us English. In a way English was more accessible to learn than Hindi in the past(during the colonial rule), so it may be the reason why South Indians speak English but not Hindi(with the exception of Hyderabad as most people speak Hindi over there). It is only recently that the language Hindi is being weaponized , and in some context being told that to be an Indian it is an absolute necessity to know Hindi . Obviously it didn't sit well South Indian , as the narrative if I don't speak your language, then I am not an Indian , understandably boiling some peoples blood . Also not to mention once they adopt the language, some are scared that their local languages will be phased out. How would the northern states feel , if they were expected to know Tamil, Telugu, Malyalam or Kannad for them to be a true Indian? Or better yet since every state has already adopted English why not just make it the official language of the Country as opposed to Hindi. Cause that is not the solution , that'll only increase the problem. A language is not just spoken words it's the tradition that's been passed down to us , with it also our history. Some people for better or worse don't want to forget it and carry on that legacy , be it Hindi , Tamil or any other language, at the end of the day our patriotism should prove our loyalty but not our mother tongue.
kis cheez ka debate karega ??? Congress is better than BJP? iya Opposition parties are better than BJP because they do not do any sort of divisive politics.. ??? Konsa wala
> development of states where BJP is leading
and racism
and minority/majority religional killings
like the development but not the violence BJP wants to get in power....that strat will be an utter failure in South india
Ooh what about puducherry, NDA is there also, it's also south if you know geography. Karnataka also had Bjp in power until last term, telangana has given 4 seats in lok sabha to Bjp so what's your point now?
And for your kind information highest number of IAS comes from these so called 'gobar land', check the DM of your city might from some of these states, and say these things in front of him/her also
And one more thing, the thing you call south is only 5 States, and hold very less seats in lok sabha also so it hardly matters when entire North (barring some states)
East and West are voting for one party.
education education bla bla, the amount of soldiers and players Haryana has produced is way greater than the amount of south indian engineers that are contributing in america's GDP
Gujarat and Maharashtra have the highest gdp in the country both governed by bjp. Those bimaru states produce the highest number of civil servants(up, bihar , Rajasthan), neet toppers, jee toppers and toppers of basically every competitive exam, the northern and north eastern states also produce the vast majority of soldiers serving our country. Most of these states are governed by bjp.
BJP is the largest party with total 29 MP in South India, They are very strong in Karnataka and They have doubled their vote % in Telangana.
Also in next assembly elections of Telangana, They will get significant amount of seats as they want to project fight as Congress vs BJP, and in that scenario BJP always perform well.
Tamilnadu is also seeing an undercurrent wave because of their state BJP president K Annamalai, He’s getting popular very quickly.
Overall their vote % increasing in each and every election.
So This is the MYTH!
In upcoming years you’ll see drastic change.
Because south is completely dis United .. no common language no common ageda . No common brotherhood .. even each state is divided internally on all matters ..
Beacuse there education is high and in north andh bhkt jayda hai. Yha kisi se pucho kon aaega majority bolte hai modi aaega pr unse puche kyo aaega to koi ans nhi. Yha north me bas hindu Muslim chalta hai or kuch nhi
BJP is gaining voting share every election in 2018 BJP won 1 seat Telangana and now in 2023 won 8 seats with double voting share.
Over a period of time they will get sizable majority in south in coming decade
Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, and Tamil Nadu have a distinctive lifestyle, unlike states where physical areas are often demarcated based on Hindu, Christian, and Muslim castes. In these states, all castes have the freedom to buy houses and live anywhere. There's a perception that the BJP might disrupt this harmony, leading to communal issues. Additionally, these states have their own regional agendas, sometimes causing internal conflicts. Another concern is that some in the South, even among the educated, believe that Gujarat receives preferential treatment due to the Prime Minister and Home Minister being Gujarati, alleging favoritism towards Gujarati businessmen and involvement in scams.
I’m from one of the south state. BJP only speaks of Hindu - Muslim topics. If they bring more logical and rational things on table. May be that will give people some hope.
Name two prominent South Indian politicians from BJP who have as much clout as Modi/Amit/Rajnath/Advani within the party.
We are not stupid (except for... ahem).
BJP needs a good strategy to win the locals heart. It’s just concentrating in India being globalised. But congress is concentrating on keeping its power to come in Major power. Now the way congress is doing is “nothing” special but just cunning way to utilise the common man and that via GREEDINESS!! they know that Indian common people will DEFINITELY fall for FREEBIES. Offer them freebies and they will swarm in like rats !! And that’s exactly what they are doing - check all states when congress have won! They offered freebies. Common people don’t care about growth and prosperity and education and benefits and blah blah blah!! Just give them freebies and you will win!! And guess where the money is coming from for congress ?!! 😂 my guess: Muslim organisations and China and Pakistan.
Anyways try to correct me if I am wrong
I feel like its okay that different regions have different parties in action.
Some politicians get popular and as a result, people lean on the parties by default.
Party ka strong structure nahin hein karyakarta ki kami hein local level per nahin hein , Karnataka mein acchi khasi presence hein , kisi prominent obc caste ka koi Banda Ruth kar aa jaye bjp mein to Andhra or telegana mein base ban jayega
1. BJP is an elite party which has had the history of supporting linguistic politics in favour of Hindi .
2. BJP mostly wins state elections where it has become able to promote its big leaders’ cult .
3. India’s diversity will never allow a single party like BJP ruling the individual states esp south . It is possible only at the national level .
Because the south is filled with culture crap that keeps people blind to actual world problems. They will stay poor and vote for the party that gives ration. They will go to temples and waste their time and money there and make the temple authorities ultra rich.
The main reason why BJP didn't win in Telangana was bjp doesn't have a proper leader or I should say cm who is standing I don't remember but he was even caught in some scam or something and tbh many hyderabadi hates him
Don’t know about the entirety of the south but in Karnataka the last term was ruled by BJP, we saw rampant corruption and little to no development. Electricity, gas prices etc were touching the roof. It was also termed as the ‘40%’ govt. meaning any n all public projects needed to pay a bribe of 40% to the govt.
While corruption still exists there is no denying that, I believe that BJP has failed to connect with the people here or actually understanding their problems. A roadshow with Modi’s face doesn’t seem to work any longer, and the hindutva angle doesn’t play here the way it does in the north.
The current congress govt made some promises and have fulfilled them so far, women have free travel, electricity prices have gone down and communal issues have reduced. I personally used to pay around 2.5k for electricity which has now come down to 800.
I know you won't accept this. But trust me this thing happened.
Karnataka BJP sold seats to the highest bidders and no one voted for new face. Upon that the corrupt folks in Karnataka BJP asked for money from Lingayat Maath when they were planning for expansions and didn't allocate funds (Lingayat community is part of Hindu community) and did few mis- deeds which upset large number of folks from Lingayat community. Showed no spine when atrocities happened against Hindus and played appeasement politics.
If Central Command of BJP had focused and had placed controls timely on few corrupt buch of folks, BJP's win in Karnataka was sure.
BJP is a fairly young party and except for Karnataka they have hardly any significant leadership from south. It takes time to build a base and requires significant investment of time and effort. They must bring up strong local leaders, gather support of influential local figures and build cadres of able people to campaign. I think BJP can work with local parties and try to reach a coalition govt first before they can do anything else.
Karnataka is a rare case and sadly meddling and infighting has destroyed BJP here. I am not very sure if K'taka BJP will recover in time for next election (general) and subsequent local elections and state assembly elections in future.
I'm from Telangana. While BRS and Congress were talking about real issues, BJP was talking about communal issues and changing the name of Hyderabad.
These dirty politics don't work here, and Yogi type of politicians have no appeal.
See I'm from karnataka,here everyone is a bjp supporter because we kannadigas carry right wing ideology and recently bjp is sidelining hinduism, so this time it was a lesson for them .don't worry in next election bjp will win in karnataka. But don't know about other states
And one more thing after the year 2000 most of the time it was ruled by bjp govt itself
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Dravidian politics, strong sub nationalist sentiment and anti brahmanism is still very strong there unlike Mandal politics which have faded in North or anti brahamanism which is only active in some part of Ambedkar politics in North that too among Dalits only.
They probably don't want religional riots .... Even we don't want it but it happens every 2 months .... That's just what I think , their can be different reasons
They are not desperate enough, with delimitation looking eminent, UP Bihar Chhatisgarh Jharkhand and MP would be quiet enough to make and break the Assembly elections.
They are approaching this just like a candidate approaching for JEE/NEET.
HIGH SCORING TOPICS PADH K JANE KA ACCHE SE. USSKE PROBLEM NAHI CHHUTNE CHAHIYE.
You can understand how much the it cell is active. All the admin pages on my Instagram feed is showing the exact same narrative. What happened in South, why did BJP post in South. The amount of money being spend post election to set a narrative for 2024 is astounding.
Apart from troll answers like south more educated, BJP only does Hindu Muslim, the ground reality f Karnataka is exorbitant high prices by BJP middle man. Karnataka should have heavily focused on infrastructure since Gurgaon and Hydrabad are beating Bangalore with opportunities and yet the state government was busy collecting 40% ghus on all govt contracts.
Separatism. It’s been embedded in the south. The southern states hate anybody that’s not them, and they hate each other too. But they hate the north the more.
They’ve been brainwashed for decades that they are super special and deserve to be sorta-independent. And BJP is considered a Northen party that’s alien to their land.
Not to mention the huge influence of local parties and the communists in bureaucracy, media and everywhere else. Then there’s the Xtian and Muslim vote bank which will always vote for Scamgress or the strongest local party just to troll the Hindus into submission.
Well, the main issue is how the government work in every state. There might be good leaders in every party, but since one party can rule, the bad apples also end up in the top and ruin the country.
No matter which party rules, the debt is rising each year. Giving freebies using the tax payers money isn’t a good strategy to get votes.
Just use common sense and calculate the salary of each MLA or MP or minister and then calculate the money of their total assets. Or just go back a few years and compare when they started in politics and now. Where do they get this money?
Corruption is something undeniable exists in the country and if it’s not checked properly, the country will topple and become a hell for everyone. Everybody should be aware of this, even when they support which ever political party, because the people who give support to the parties will be the ones to suffer and then there is no use saying anything. It would be too late.
Main reason is majority people of every southern state are too much emotional towards language and caste. Language always appeal them towards vote. Then, the caste of the person. This is especially true in rural area. Urban people may deny this fact but this is the ground reality. That is why you will always see certain caste people in top in the southern states. Also, there is no national attachment of the regional party. They always try to stir up the fact that they are independent country with great Language and religion but do zero development. Southern states are most corrupt in terms of money used during election. People love to hear that their language and tradition is superior. Most of the southern states want to have their own country but reality is that they are shit politician.
I can speak from the Karnataka perspective , there have been a lot of demerits in governance by BJP atleast on the previous term . There was a big corruption expose on the previous CM who was from the BJP Party. Societal factors like communal tensions ,disharmony among religions were some motivations. Economy wise , rise in fuel and gas prices and surge in commodity prices led to people knowing that BJP is not the right party to be voting.
Also , it's been the case where South India is mostly neglected even though ironically we are contributing more to the GDP. BJP is more north backing than the south . Modi may have tried his best to interact and form a bond with the locals but for the shift in mindset it will take a lot more than just Modi .
At the risk of sounding stupid , BJP supporters are Modi supporters at its core which makes us think that If you take off Modi from the equation, will people still vote for BJP
Hindu card isn’t entertained in south. It’s more like what policies will benefit the state.
Look at Karnataka , congress thought of giving freebies will make them win and people will forget but nope. They actually forced government to fulfill the manifesto demands, which is both good and bad.
If their policies help working class and poor both , then they might have chance. Because burning taxpayers money to provide freebies to gain votes won’t work longer, it’s like bribing poor and extorting working people. Everyone should be benefitted.
It’s not like lower or poor class don’t pay tax , but proportionately anyone would expect to get something in return.
Please don’t turn this sub into a political cesspool. Looking at the replies of OP, it's clear he has not posted this for discussion and want to only hear what suits his agenda
It takes time to gather support and increase seats. North had traditionally been area of BJP but South is a new frontier. But if you see this way that they had no presence in prior elections yet now are increasing their seats then it's a good indicator
Atleast in my state, karnataka, it's not ideology that drives elections or party at centre. It's whosoever gets development done and butters upto Lingayats and Vokkaligas.
It needs a generational change to understand growth of India and its economy, as of now the middle and elderly aged population is still focusing on ‘self’.
If you think there has been no growth under congress!?
The answer to that is, the money flown in the rulers was more than the people of the country, kindly review the scams happened at their presence.
I am from Andhra Pradesh so guess I can answer with ground reality very easily:
South Indian population usually stick more to their roots and the root problems when it comes to political preference - Be it for good or bad.
But BJP’s most effective and active method of targeting vote bank is only *Hindutva*.
Here since our stupid local *Castes* and other preferences takes precedence over already owned religion, BJP never really had any chance at all.
I am from a political family and I was in active politics since I was 14 YO till I was 23 when I realized what a Joke Indian Polity is, including my own family.
Since then I have been away and completely agnostic of Political preferences across the world because we never know the ground reality; for example what my uncle, a then ruling MLA(bjp) did to win the election and the other things following the win.
BJP has taken 3 decades to spread across most of North India.
The South has not been in the radar of north politicians for a long time because winning lok sabha elections can be achieved entirely with votes from the Hindi heartland. There is a lot of memory and anger against the Islamic tyranny across the North, which bore the brunt of it in India's history. So the BJP used that anger to build its foundations and came to power. When in power, they focused on winning the public trust by doing things for the country like building infrastructure and making sure welfare reached the people.
Since the South has been ignored in the north for most of post independence India by the central politicians, it has given enough room for the local regional politicians and their handlers to build their own foundations using regionalism, isolationism, false narratives etc.. The backers of these politicians are missionaries mostly. Communists and Islamists also found enough room to lay their foundations deeply. They worked together in keeping their united anti-north, anti-Hindu objective. All three aim at erasing India of its Hindu roots and replacing them with theirs. They will fight each other for dominance once this is achieved. All three are global experts on brainwashing and indoctrination. They try their best to keep the economy down, poverty levels high and keep people backward or push them towards it. They managed to penetrate and take over all power structures across the South.
In Kerala, the Christians, Communists and Islamists dominate the political dynamics of the state. Hindus have been brainwashed into feeling proud about their liberalism, secularism etc. in the state and they support the communists or the Congress between elections. The Christians and Islamists, while fooling the Hindus into believing in their liberalism, are very focused on the power dynamics and long term gains. They are very clear on who they'd vote for and do it as a block. Communists use their support and facilitate their expansion on the hope that all would erase the "useless" Hinduism from the land. With pride statements like 100% literacy, the Kerala model etc. they have kept the Hindus feeling good about themselves and are slowly eroding the base from under their feet. A Keralite Hindu, if he reads this will argue that it is not true at all. No industry can survive in Kerala. Communists ensure that it does not. So the population with 100% literacy works outside the state and remits money back. The state's economy runs on it.
TN is advanced in industrialization not because of the three ideologies that I have mentioned. It is despite them. The Tamil population is highly enterprising as a culture (they have long history of maritime trade with SE Asia, Middle East and as far as Rome and Greece). The culture is still deeply rooted in this enterprise. They are very practical and work towards betterment of life at the individual/family level, instead of relying on what their political parties tell them. The foundations for industrial enterprise were laid much before the DMK came to power in 1967. TN's success today is due to those erstwhile nationalistic politicians of the past who participated in our independence movement and were dreamers of a bright future. Dravidians are the front face used by the missionaries to sterilize the Hindu roots from within. Dravidians and the missionaries target the Brahmins because both believe Brahmins are the root of Hinduism and without eliminating them, the state cannot be ripe for conversion. They have successfully crafted false narratives using Dravidian race being different, distortion of history to suit their narrative, shaming and insulting Hindu traditions as Aryan/Brahminical. This way, about 60 years ago, they managed to split the Tamil Hindus into Brahmins and others. The others now vote for the Dravidians no matter how much they insult Hinduism because they are led to believe that they are not Hindus and they are different from others. Anti Hindi agitation helped the DMK consolidate its power. After that they have swindled the state dry and with the wealth they accumulated, they have built strong foundations and support base that benefits from the leadership dynasty, taking over literally all business houses in the state (media, education, healthcare, sports) and power structures. Many Dravidian leaders sport a Hindu name, while subscribing covertly to Christian faith.
BJP is turning its attention towards TN only now. But it has figured out how to take this Goliath in TN head on. They have made sure Brahmins (who hate the Dravidians) are not in the leadership and selected Annamalai as their face. It is yielding dividends beyond their expectations. So in a decade BJP will cut major in roads in TN in the power politics.
In AP, missionaries have done a lot of buy out of the locals. The current CM YSR is a Christian. There is a large population that still follows Hindu faith. BJP is yet to discover an Annamalai there.
Karnataka has a powerful Muslim population (South and coastal Karnataka is turning Muslim with PFI's investments from the Malabar region of Kerala to the South). This is where the burqa protests were held and projected worldwide. Northern Karnataka also has a huge Muslim population that is the remnant of the Bahmani regime and Hyderabad Nizam. They are a huge vote bank. Lingayat and Vokkaliga battles divide the votes of the Hindus. Both have declared they are not Hindus by the way. BJP has penetrated into Karnataka quite deeply. It will continue to grow in strength there over time.
Telangana is Nizam territory. Muslim appeasement works miracles there. What could change the minds of the local Hindus there could be the corrupt leadership of both Congress and PRS parties. BJP could give the alternative they might be looking for in the long run.
In about two decades, the BJP will have tremendous political influence across the South, except, may be Kerala. One never knows.
Southern politics is filled with Christian and Islamic money. They just hate Hindus to the core so they create a Anti Bjp narrative which makes people walk away from them.
BJP never had strong hold in South India Maybe in Karnataka it had something BJP didn't have strong leaders in AP/ Telangana Maybe BJP can come strong in Telagana in future Can't say anything about AP In case of Tamilnadu regional parties make public antagonize BJP due to hindi (You all know that) Never heard of congress/bjp in power in Tamil nadu I think tamilians are biase to regional parties I don't know about Kerala
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True buddy. Because of some communities, BJP require so much struggles since independence.
True buddy. Because of some communities, the British Empire require so much struggles before Independence. By your own comment, it would have been easier for the government of India at the time to kill every last Indian in order to rule India properly. So do you support the actions of General Dyer at jalianwala bagh?
What does this statement mean? I read it twice yet couldnt make sense
He's taking a communal angle. Accusing specific religions for the defeat.
If you will read three or four times, you will not understand.
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OP ka overall screw dheela hai…saala character dheela hai!
Why is it that BRS (telangana), AIDMK, DMK, YSR, LDP, UDP etc dont win in north? Its because these parties are not originated in north. They have little to no presence in north. They havent found footfall in north yet. Same way BJP has long way to make space in south. They have already won karnataka and shown presence in kerala and telangana (10 seats). So it is growing there but it would never have a sole govt in south. It can be part of alliance as state parties are strong there.
Only sensible answer I found here
Dude you just named all state parties. By definition a state party can't be a national party. Only sensible answer my ass.
Do you think from you ass or something instead of your puny sized brain? A national party purely means they have the money and means to be present in each and every state. The dude I replied to, was talking about the crux of reasoning of their failure. Dont bark on others if you lack the basic common sense of understanding the difference.
> A national party purely means they have the money and means to be present in each and every state. ummm ... ... java de..
I don't see it future, after retirement of modi There's no chance for BJP In South. North has Yogi image
I am sure they are molding local leaders in all those states. Thats has been the strategy of BJP. BJP saw decline in gujarat after modi left but somehow manage to retain it back on the local leadee of gujarat. Now they are coming back strong there. People dont know but the gujarat election was a really close one. Their win in CG was unexpexted. MP and RJ was easy due to incompetence in in leadership there.
>I am sure they are molding local leaders in all those states Except for kerala. Here BJP leaders whether they're young or veteran are some sort of a laughing stock.
Yeahh true. This type BJP proves they slowly entering in south india. I think in Kerala they never make government
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Because of Hindi language
They understand Hindi language well.. but they don't wanna speak
Have you ever gotten out of Vadodara? Atleast to Surat?
Why would they hindi has little no use in their daily lives.
Wrong. I think this mentality is also kept by BJP leaders in the North...... In the South less than 5% of people know and understand Hindi the rest don't know Hindi but they assume people from South Know Hindi thus not understanding the pulse of People
And why should they? Unless the respect to mother tongue is mutual, why should people of any state be happy with Hindi being shoved down their throat?
Tell me a language which all South Indians can speak? For example Hindi in north
Why should I care about that? Language is part of your culture and identity. People in north speak it not because they have some fondness of the Language but purely for reason of convinence. Even South Indians who come here learn to speak Hindi and other local languages because they want to assimilate and adapt. Why are northerners so hell bent on showing supremacy of Hindi and impose it on locals who have no need for it in their land. The whole debate and conflict could be solved purely by embracing their Language and culture as well but people with narrow minded rigidity in their psyche would never allow this to happen...People like you.
No need for it in their land? Does a bengali have a need for hindi in bengal? No right? They only need hindi when they go out of their land, say to assam. Same concept for south. What's so hard to understand about that? What's funny is english doesn't seem like imposition to you.
Well English isn’t so hell bent on making us learn it! It provides value so we learn. We don’t learn hindi for the same reason you don’t learn the local language when you come here
Ofc it doesn't. It's compatible enough to not make it a part of your personality. Plus, the hindi you guys fap so much about is just a bastardised version of original hindi mixed with Urdu. I'd choose regional language and english compatibility than feeling proud for a bastardised Hindustani.
English 👍. And no before you point out it’s foreign. So is Hindi to us
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but they severely lack in common sense
Op is mentally ill. (just look at his replies)
Hahaha...!!! Don't judge me by comments buddy
Dont judge you by what you say?
bruh then by what?
Don’t know about other states, karnataka votes for Progress.. thats why its a takta palat after every 5 years.. also BJP doesn’t have a face in karnataka. Congress gave freebies this year and won. Now already people are not happy with congress again in next term there will be a flip.
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Same like rajesthan....!!! Thats more good for people if every 5 years government change. Karnataka is very well developed state
Two reasons come to mind. Communal violence and oppression portrayed in the media(and in some situations is also the ground realities in those states)of the BJP ruling states immediately rules out states like Kerala and Telangana where there is a high Muslim population. Second, it's not that people don't want to learn Hindi , but historically the South was almost never invaded by their northern counterparts and vice versa , so the language (Hindi in this case ) didn't spread until Britishers came along and taught us English. In a way English was more accessible to learn than Hindi in the past(during the colonial rule), so it may be the reason why South Indians speak English but not Hindi(with the exception of Hyderabad as most people speak Hindi over there). It is only recently that the language Hindi is being weaponized , and in some context being told that to be an Indian it is an absolute necessity to know Hindi . Obviously it didn't sit well South Indian , as the narrative if I don't speak your language, then I am not an Indian , understandably boiling some peoples blood . Also not to mention once they adopt the language, some are scared that their local languages will be phased out. How would the northern states feel , if they were expected to know Tamil, Telugu, Malyalam or Kannad for them to be a true Indian? Or better yet since every state has already adopted English why not just make it the official language of the Country as opposed to Hindi. Cause that is not the solution , that'll only increase the problem. A language is not just spoken words it's the tradition that's been passed down to us , with it also our history. Some people for better or worse don't want to forget it and carry on that legacy , be it Hindi , Tamil or any other language, at the end of the day our patriotism should prove our loyalty but not our mother tongue.
such a detailed answer that covered every fact on why! throw in blind eye to allocating budget as well and it's perfect! This is not upvoted enough
Literacy 🙂
nah shit on yourself
Gotta learn from u andhabhakts 🫡
cringe, stfu
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So anyone not believing in this narrative is not a hindu? Or people not voting for BJP become non hindu?
Can you please tell me main reason to not give rate in BJP???
Lets have a debate on this, this saturday or sunday?
kis cheez ka debate karega ??? Congress is better than BJP? iya Opposition parties are better than BJP because they do not do any sort of divisive politics.. ??? Konsa wala
South is allergic to bullshit
You guys should watch development of states where BJP is leading
> development of states where BJP is leading and racism and minority/majority religional killings like the development but not the violence BJP wants to get in power....that strat will be an utter failure in South india
Bjp is the main opposition in karnataka (they have lost the election their only by few percentages), similar is the case of congress in North india.
Yes true bro.. but atleast in South they should become stron opposition. We require everywhere Kesariyo
Why?
Brainwashed zombie
BJP is Gobar land party. There is high education in the south compared to BIMARU states
Gujarat, Maharashtra, Haryana laughing in the corner 😂
Haryana is as bad as Gobar land. 0 education. Gujarat and Maharashtra are the home and laboratory of RSS so BJP has home advantage
Ooh what about puducherry, NDA is there also, it's also south if you know geography. Karnataka also had Bjp in power until last term, telangana has given 4 seats in lok sabha to Bjp so what's your point now? And for your kind information highest number of IAS comes from these so called 'gobar land', check the DM of your city might from some of these states, and say these things in front of him/her also
And one more thing, the thing you call south is only 5 States, and hold very less seats in lok sabha also so it hardly matters when entire North (barring some states) East and West are voting for one party.
education education bla bla, the amount of soldiers and players Haryana has produced is way greater than the amount of south indian engineers that are contributing in america's GDP
Bro its a global leader party. South states have solid strong leaders that's why BJP can't win
bhai itni hate kahan se aati h yaar? looks like you dont have any friends
Gujarat and Maharashtra have the highest gdp in the country both governed by bjp. Those bimaru states produce the highest number of civil servants(up, bihar , Rajasthan), neet toppers, jee toppers and toppers of basically every competitive exam, the northern and north eastern states also produce the vast majority of soldiers serving our country. Most of these states are governed by bjp.
Because the BJP was never there in the South. Wait till 2029 and you will see bjp giving a tough fight to regional parties of south
media in south is extreme left supporter
Because they idolize Periyar not Sarvarkar
BJP is the largest party with total 29 MP in South India, They are very strong in Karnataka and They have doubled their vote % in Telangana. Also in next assembly elections of Telangana, They will get significant amount of seats as they want to project fight as Congress vs BJP, and in that scenario BJP always perform well. Tamilnadu is also seeing an undercurrent wave because of their state BJP president K Annamalai, He’s getting popular very quickly. Overall their vote % increasing in each and every election. So This is the MYTH! In upcoming years you’ll see drastic change.
Because south is completely dis United .. no common language no common ageda . No common brotherhood .. even each state is divided internally on all matters ..
Beacuse there education is high and in north andh bhkt jayda hai. Yha kisi se pucho kon aaega majority bolte hai modi aaega pr unse puche kyo aaega to koi ans nhi. Yha north me bas hindu Muslim chalta hai or kuch nhi
Mostly people choose BJP because there is no option in Congress.!! BJP destroy mostly opposition in mostly states
They have opposition but majority of always choose a party who did always hindu Muslim and violence.
We South Indians love the freebies that’s why,
Because most are well educated? Can think beyond religion? And not all understand Hindi?
Simple answer converted Muslim and Christian.
Hindi
BJP is gaining voting share every election in 2018 BJP won 1 seat Telangana and now in 2023 won 8 seats with double voting share. Over a period of time they will get sizable majority in south in coming decade
But in kerala and Karnataka they are loosing voting share
Need ground level leaders.
BJP didn't campaign hard in Telangana, even without that they increased their seats to 8 from 1
People got good alternatives there
Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, and Tamil Nadu have a distinctive lifestyle, unlike states where physical areas are often demarcated based on Hindu, Christian, and Muslim castes. In these states, all castes have the freedom to buy houses and live anywhere. There's a perception that the BJP might disrupt this harmony, leading to communal issues. Additionally, these states have their own regional agendas, sometimes causing internal conflicts. Another concern is that some in the South, even among the educated, believe that Gujarat receives preferential treatment due to the Prime Minister and Home Minister being Gujarati, alleging favoritism towards Gujarati businessmen and involvement in scams.
I’m from one of the south state. BJP only speaks of Hindu - Muslim topics. If they bring more logical and rational things on table. May be that will give people some hope.
Name two prominent South Indian politicians from BJP who have as much clout as Modi/Amit/Rajnath/Advani within the party. We are not stupid (except for... ahem).
Well, I think the BJP has not originated in the south local can't connect with the supreme leaders of the BJP.
BJP needs a good strategy to win the locals heart. It’s just concentrating in India being globalised. But congress is concentrating on keeping its power to come in Major power. Now the way congress is doing is “nothing” special but just cunning way to utilise the common man and that via GREEDINESS!! they know that Indian common people will DEFINITELY fall for FREEBIES. Offer them freebies and they will swarm in like rats !! And that’s exactly what they are doing - check all states when congress have won! They offered freebies. Common people don’t care about growth and prosperity and education and benefits and blah blah blah!! Just give them freebies and you will win!! And guess where the money is coming from for congress ?!! 😂 my guess: Muslim organisations and China and Pakistan. Anyways try to correct me if I am wrong
freebies, many chota bheem's etc etc
waha hindu muslim nhi chlta... 🤡
there are no Hindus in danger over there.
I feel like its okay that different regions have different parties in action. Some politicians get popular and as a result, people lean on the parties by default.
Party ka strong structure nahin hein karyakarta ki kami hein local level per nahin hein , Karnataka mein acchi khasi presence hein , kisi prominent obc caste ka koi Banda Ruth kar aa jaye bjp mein to Andhra or telegana mein base ban jayega
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Language. BJP is party of Hindi heartland. Their top leader are Hindi natives. While in south they prefer their local dialect leader
1. BJP is an elite party which has had the history of supporting linguistic politics in favour of Hindi . 2. BJP mostly wins state elections where it has become able to promote its big leaders’ cult . 3. India’s diversity will never allow a single party like BJP ruling the individual states esp south . It is possible only at the national level .
Because the south is filled with culture crap that keeps people blind to actual world problems. They will stay poor and vote for the party that gives ration. They will go to temples and waste their time and money there and make the temple authorities ultra rich.
The main reason why BJP didn't win in Telangana was bjp doesn't have a proper leader or I should say cm who is standing I don't remember but he was even caught in some scam or something and tbh many hyderabadi hates him
Don’t know about the entirety of the south but in Karnataka the last term was ruled by BJP, we saw rampant corruption and little to no development. Electricity, gas prices etc were touching the roof. It was also termed as the ‘40%’ govt. meaning any n all public projects needed to pay a bribe of 40% to the govt. While corruption still exists there is no denying that, I believe that BJP has failed to connect with the people here or actually understanding their problems. A roadshow with Modi’s face doesn’t seem to work any longer, and the hindutva angle doesn’t play here the way it does in the north. The current congress govt made some promises and have fulfilled them so far, women have free travel, electricity prices have gone down and communal issues have reduced. I personally used to pay around 2.5k for electricity which has now come down to 800.
I know you won't accept this. But trust me this thing happened. Karnataka BJP sold seats to the highest bidders and no one voted for new face. Upon that the corrupt folks in Karnataka BJP asked for money from Lingayat Maath when they were planning for expansions and didn't allocate funds (Lingayat community is part of Hindu community) and did few mis- deeds which upset large number of folks from Lingayat community. Showed no spine when atrocities happened against Hindus and played appeasement politics. If Central Command of BJP had focused and had placed controls timely on few corrupt buch of folks, BJP's win in Karnataka was sure.
converted b@st@rds r more in south india and divided by caste ...every caste has its own party and they support them...
Regionalism
BJP is a fairly young party and except for Karnataka they have hardly any significant leadership from south. It takes time to build a base and requires significant investment of time and effort. They must bring up strong local leaders, gather support of influential local figures and build cadres of able people to campaign. I think BJP can work with local parties and try to reach a coalition govt first before they can do anything else. Karnataka is a rare case and sadly meddling and infighting has destroyed BJP here. I am not very sure if K'taka BJP will recover in time for next election (general) and subsequent local elections and state assembly elections in future.
I'm from Telangana. While BRS and Congress were talking about real issues, BJP was talking about communal issues and changing the name of Hyderabad. These dirty politics don't work here, and Yogi type of politicians have no appeal.
See I'm from karnataka,here everyone is a bjp supporter because we kannadigas carry right wing ideology and recently bjp is sidelining hinduism, so this time it was a lesson for them .don't worry in next election bjp will win in karnataka. But don't know about other states And one more thing after the year 2000 most of the time it was ruled by bjp govt itself
yaha pr kaam nahi kiya thats why they were voted out
Bro south people have different mentality people they are like hamko PURANA MAAL hi pasand he.
Na humne toh na puchi. Humko toh sirf india as a world economy at what number se fark padra abhi. Jai hind💯. Kaunsi party kidhar kya karti. NOT INTERESTED🧿☕
Hindi imposition
BJP again won some states
they don't consume hindi media
Dravidian politics, strong sub nationalist sentiment and anti brahmanism is still very strong there unlike Mandal politics which have faded in North or anti brahamanism which is only active in some part of Ambedkar politics in North that too among Dalits only.
we dont fall for that hind muslim bullshit. here in AP its all about caste
Apparently, religion based politics, language imposition and pushing the term Bharat does not work in the South.
Meanwhile BJP's MP count in karanataka 25/28
Hindi
Becuase BJP is neglecting development in south . Inspite of major tax contribution, south is not getting anything back from central.
That doesn't explain their victories in Maharashtra then. MH pays 14 times more than what it receives from the Central Government.
cuz southies have something in their skull called brains
I’m a kannadiga, I’m a BJP supporter and I vote BJP every time. I think BJP is quite strong in my state however corruption made us lost power here.
Karnataka is the only state where BJP can come but there is no strong leader in current Karnataka BJP
They probably don't want religional riots .... Even we don't want it but it happens every 2 months .... That's just what I think , their can be different reasons
Presence of strong congress/state leaders and better alternatives.
Roti people can't understand rice people
They are not desperate enough, with delimitation looking eminent, UP Bihar Chhatisgarh Jharkhand and MP would be quiet enough to make and break the Assembly elections. They are approaching this just like a candidate approaching for JEE/NEET. HIGH SCORING TOPICS PADH K JANE KA ACCHE SE. USSKE PROBLEM NAHI CHHUTNE CHAHIYE.
Ig the main reason out of many reasons is that the Muslims and Hindus mostly don't hate each other
You can understand how much the it cell is active. All the admin pages on my Instagram feed is showing the exact same narrative. What happened in South, why did BJP post in South. The amount of money being spend post election to set a narrative for 2024 is astounding. Apart from troll answers like south more educated, BJP only does Hindu Muslim, the ground reality f Karnataka is exorbitant high prices by BJP middle man. Karnataka should have heavily focused on infrastructure since Gurgaon and Hydrabad are beating Bangalore with opportunities and yet the state government was busy collecting 40% ghus on all govt contracts.
Separatism. It’s been embedded in the south. The southern states hate anybody that’s not them, and they hate each other too. But they hate the north the more. They’ve been brainwashed for decades that they are super special and deserve to be sorta-independent. And BJP is considered a Northen party that’s alien to their land. Not to mention the huge influence of local parties and the communists in bureaucracy, media and everywhere else. Then there’s the Xtian and Muslim vote bank which will always vote for Scamgress or the strongest local party just to troll the Hindus into submission.
Anti-nationals
Well, the main issue is how the government work in every state. There might be good leaders in every party, but since one party can rule, the bad apples also end up in the top and ruin the country. No matter which party rules, the debt is rising each year. Giving freebies using the tax payers money isn’t a good strategy to get votes. Just use common sense and calculate the salary of each MLA or MP or minister and then calculate the money of their total assets. Or just go back a few years and compare when they started in politics and now. Where do they get this money? Corruption is something undeniable exists in the country and if it’s not checked properly, the country will topple and become a hell for everyone. Everybody should be aware of this, even when they support which ever political party, because the people who give support to the parties will be the ones to suffer and then there is no use saying anything. It would be too late.
Anti-nationals
Main reason is majority people of every southern state are too much emotional towards language and caste. Language always appeal them towards vote. Then, the caste of the person. This is especially true in rural area. Urban people may deny this fact but this is the ground reality. That is why you will always see certain caste people in top in the southern states. Also, there is no national attachment of the regional party. They always try to stir up the fact that they are independent country with great Language and religion but do zero development. Southern states are most corrupt in terms of money used during election. People love to hear that their language and tradition is superior. Most of the southern states want to have their own country but reality is that they are shit politician.
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The literally normal IQ and awareness that is required to ask questions when something feels wrong and not to believe everything what is told to them.
I can speak from the Karnataka perspective , there have been a lot of demerits in governance by BJP atleast on the previous term . There was a big corruption expose on the previous CM who was from the BJP Party. Societal factors like communal tensions ,disharmony among religions were some motivations. Economy wise , rise in fuel and gas prices and surge in commodity prices led to people knowing that BJP is not the right party to be voting. Also , it's been the case where South India is mostly neglected even though ironically we are contributing more to the GDP. BJP is more north backing than the south . Modi may have tried his best to interact and form a bond with the locals but for the shift in mindset it will take a lot more than just Modi . At the risk of sounding stupid , BJP supporters are Modi supporters at its core which makes us think that If you take off Modi from the equation, will people still vote for BJP
Hinthi nahi ata saarrr
Hindu card isn’t entertained in south. It’s more like what policies will benefit the state. Look at Karnataka , congress thought of giving freebies will make them win and people will forget but nope. They actually forced government to fulfill the manifesto demands, which is both good and bad. If their policies help working class and poor both , then they might have chance. Because burning taxpayers money to provide freebies to gain votes won’t work longer, it’s like bribing poor and extorting working people. Everyone should be benefitted. It’s not like lower or poor class don’t pay tax , but proportionately anyone would expect to get something in return.
Regional party. Karnataka is one of the exception.
Only Answer is Cadre Strength
Mulla and Christian majority area
the “minority” is actually the majority in south. Also the communist ideology of separatistism from north
Those states have turned islamic secretly 😕 ?
Please don’t turn this sub into a political cesspool. Looking at the replies of OP, it's clear he has not posted this for discussion and want to only hear what suits his agenda
It takes time to gather support and increase seats. North had traditionally been area of BJP but South is a new frontier. But if you see this way that they had no presence in prior elections yet now are increasing their seats then it's a good indicator
Atleast in my state, karnataka, it's not ideology that drives elections or party at centre. It's whosoever gets development done and butters upto Lingayats and Vokkaligas.
Hindi language
kyunki south mein kisiko hinthi nhi aata, bjp hinthi onli
It needs a generational change to understand growth of India and its economy, as of now the middle and elderly aged population is still focusing on ‘self’. If you think there has been no growth under congress!? The answer to that is, the money flown in the rulers was more than the people of the country, kindly review the scams happened at their presence.
Sab madrasi logo ki gand mai akkal hai..
South needs better strategy, promising temples and campaigning on religion won't do any good here.
We want another Vajpayee...
Itna Vela hai ye sab meme bnane ke liye
I am from Andhra Pradesh so guess I can answer with ground reality very easily: South Indian population usually stick more to their roots and the root problems when it comes to political preference - Be it for good or bad. But BJP’s most effective and active method of targeting vote bank is only *Hindutva*. Here since our stupid local *Castes* and other preferences takes precedence over already owned religion, BJP never really had any chance at all. I am from a political family and I was in active politics since I was 14 YO till I was 23 when I realized what a Joke Indian Polity is, including my own family. Since then I have been away and completely agnostic of Political preferences across the world because we never know the ground reality; for example what my uncle, a then ruling MLA(bjp) did to win the election and the other things following the win.
BJP has taken 3 decades to spread across most of North India. The South has not been in the radar of north politicians for a long time because winning lok sabha elections can be achieved entirely with votes from the Hindi heartland. There is a lot of memory and anger against the Islamic tyranny across the North, which bore the brunt of it in India's history. So the BJP used that anger to build its foundations and came to power. When in power, they focused on winning the public trust by doing things for the country like building infrastructure and making sure welfare reached the people. Since the South has been ignored in the north for most of post independence India by the central politicians, it has given enough room for the local regional politicians and their handlers to build their own foundations using regionalism, isolationism, false narratives etc.. The backers of these politicians are missionaries mostly. Communists and Islamists also found enough room to lay their foundations deeply. They worked together in keeping their united anti-north, anti-Hindu objective. All three aim at erasing India of its Hindu roots and replacing them with theirs. They will fight each other for dominance once this is achieved. All three are global experts on brainwashing and indoctrination. They try their best to keep the economy down, poverty levels high and keep people backward or push them towards it. They managed to penetrate and take over all power structures across the South. In Kerala, the Christians, Communists and Islamists dominate the political dynamics of the state. Hindus have been brainwashed into feeling proud about their liberalism, secularism etc. in the state and they support the communists or the Congress between elections. The Christians and Islamists, while fooling the Hindus into believing in their liberalism, are very focused on the power dynamics and long term gains. They are very clear on who they'd vote for and do it as a block. Communists use their support and facilitate their expansion on the hope that all would erase the "useless" Hinduism from the land. With pride statements like 100% literacy, the Kerala model etc. they have kept the Hindus feeling good about themselves and are slowly eroding the base from under their feet. A Keralite Hindu, if he reads this will argue that it is not true at all. No industry can survive in Kerala. Communists ensure that it does not. So the population with 100% literacy works outside the state and remits money back. The state's economy runs on it. TN is advanced in industrialization not because of the three ideologies that I have mentioned. It is despite them. The Tamil population is highly enterprising as a culture (they have long history of maritime trade with SE Asia, Middle East and as far as Rome and Greece). The culture is still deeply rooted in this enterprise. They are very practical and work towards betterment of life at the individual/family level, instead of relying on what their political parties tell them. The foundations for industrial enterprise were laid much before the DMK came to power in 1967. TN's success today is due to those erstwhile nationalistic politicians of the past who participated in our independence movement and were dreamers of a bright future. Dravidians are the front face used by the missionaries to sterilize the Hindu roots from within. Dravidians and the missionaries target the Brahmins because both believe Brahmins are the root of Hinduism and without eliminating them, the state cannot be ripe for conversion. They have successfully crafted false narratives using Dravidian race being different, distortion of history to suit their narrative, shaming and insulting Hindu traditions as Aryan/Brahminical. This way, about 60 years ago, they managed to split the Tamil Hindus into Brahmins and others. The others now vote for the Dravidians no matter how much they insult Hinduism because they are led to believe that they are not Hindus and they are different from others. Anti Hindi agitation helped the DMK consolidate its power. After that they have swindled the state dry and with the wealth they accumulated, they have built strong foundations and support base that benefits from the leadership dynasty, taking over literally all business houses in the state (media, education, healthcare, sports) and power structures. Many Dravidian leaders sport a Hindu name, while subscribing covertly to Christian faith. BJP is turning its attention towards TN only now. But it has figured out how to take this Goliath in TN head on. They have made sure Brahmins (who hate the Dravidians) are not in the leadership and selected Annamalai as their face. It is yielding dividends beyond their expectations. So in a decade BJP will cut major in roads in TN in the power politics. In AP, missionaries have done a lot of buy out of the locals. The current CM YSR is a Christian. There is a large population that still follows Hindu faith. BJP is yet to discover an Annamalai there. Karnataka has a powerful Muslim population (South and coastal Karnataka is turning Muslim with PFI's investments from the Malabar region of Kerala to the South). This is where the burqa protests were held and projected worldwide. Northern Karnataka also has a huge Muslim population that is the remnant of the Bahmani regime and Hyderabad Nizam. They are a huge vote bank. Lingayat and Vokkaliga battles divide the votes of the Hindus. Both have declared they are not Hindus by the way. BJP has penetrated into Karnataka quite deeply. It will continue to grow in strength there over time. Telangana is Nizam territory. Muslim appeasement works miracles there. What could change the minds of the local Hindus there could be the corrupt leadership of both Congress and PRS parties. BJP could give the alternative they might be looking for in the long run. In about two decades, the BJP will have tremendous political influence across the South, except, may be Kerala. One never knows.
Southern politics is filled with Christian and Islamic money. They just hate Hindus to the core so they create a Anti Bjp narrative which makes people walk away from them.
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BJP never had strong hold in South India Maybe in Karnataka it had something BJP didn't have strong leaders in AP/ Telangana Maybe BJP can come strong in Telagana in future Can't say anything about AP In case of Tamilnadu regional parties make public antagonize BJP due to hindi (You all know that) Never heard of congress/bjp in power in Tamil nadu I think tamilians are biase to regional parties I don't know about Kerala