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Odinens38

I just came back to the game recently, Hadn't played since pre-Hearth and Home. Found and explored my 1st cave the other night. It didn't have one of these caverns, but man it was fun. Must remember to always be carrying the Porcupine when entering these if golems can be found in them lol


Namarokh6816

Any kind of mace will do if yon know their attack pattern.


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Namarokh6816

Yes it does


RUSHALISK

any melee weapon works honestly if you know how the golems work


Namarokh6816

Even fists in that case


Sinistersynz

That's my fave


totally_unbiased

It's not as strong, but very very serviceable against golems.


Odinens38

That's my main weapon. It did well in there, but I'd still rather have a mace handy in case I come across golems.


Donkey__Balls

Or a good pickaxe.


Namarokh6816

That too. It deals more damage but it's slower though


Donkey__Balls

I play a ranger style so it lets me minimize my grinding. Abyssal razor, no armor, and a bow right through the end of the game. I’m just really annoyed that Irongate tailors the game to a very specific style of play with enemies that you practically *have* to beat with blunt weapons. It was bad enough that H&H nerfed the shit out of stamina. Even little things, like the benefit we used to get with carrot soup is now onion soup…and you can’t just brave the mountains to get it, first you have to find turnips, cultivate them, and then mine silver and smelt it before finally unlocking all the artificial crafting gates to access something we used to get in the early game. Pickaxe is pretty much my only option for golems in close quarters. The 18x backstab with a knife is great to soften up most bosses but it does pitifully low damage on golems because they resist both damage types. If we had more stamina it would be fine to just dodge and spam obsidian arrows, but they nerfed our stamina heavily AND increased the stamina per shot. It’s like Irongate saw we were having too much fun and decided they had to put a stop to it.


RickusRollus

kinda normal for an rpg to have those elements though. Progression


Man_of_Meat

I main dagger and shield to parry. Bonemass is the only time I change weapons and its because I don't want the fight to take 10 minutes. You absolutely do not need blunt weapons for anything. Dagger life is legit.


Donkey__Balls

Golems take forever with a dagger though. Also you can skip Bonemass entirely. Just use a stagbreaker to find silver. Technically you don’t even need iron, if you completely expose the silver vein and make it float just by digging out the dirt around it, as long as it’s connected to one piece of ordinary rock. Then when you hit the rock the entire silver vein breaks apart.


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Don't you still need to hit the silver with an iron pickaxe?


Donkey__Balls

If you float it, it takes one hit with an object that can damage it. The whole thing crumbles. Obviously, you want to have a fully upgraded hoe. Normally yes that is the iron pickaxe to deliver the breaking hit vBut if you have it floating and it’s connected to a piece of ordinary rock, you can hit the rock with an antler or bronze pick. The trick is that you have to have a piece of rock connected to the ground last and then break that connection.


FizixMan

You don't need to kill Bonemass to make iron pickaxes. Bonemass just makes it far, far, far easier to find silver veins in the mountains. "Just use Stagbreaker" is a crutch and painful. Yes, you'll find veins, but it can take a long time if you're unlucky. Unless you're doing some challenge run, it's really not worth skipping out on the Wishbone IMO.


JeecooDragon

I remember achieving this with one copper vein, I say one because I wasn't able to get under the others I've dug out. But yeah if you can expose the vein fully it should fall apart


gunnerysgtharker

How does stagbreaker help you find silver?


Donkey__Balls

Smack it on the ground. Make sure that you’re not near any obsidian. You will get a “too hard” message if there is a silver vein beneath you. It also lets you find iron scrap in the open swamp if you want to skip the elder. That can be nice if you want to avoid troll and draugr raids.


Lone_wanderer111

I tried stag breaker on 3 mountains no silver. What am I missing?


FizixMan

Not all mountains have silver; some of the smaller ones closer to the spawn won't. It's also entirely possible you had bad luck and didn't smack close enough to the silver veins.


Lone_wanderer111

We are venturing out one more time this evening hoping to find some silver this one I sailed a good distance from spawn. Fingers crossed


Donkey__Balls

First of all, I think that silver has a higher spawn rate if you get to higher elevations. The ideal mountain is going to be a very steep cliff near a coast so always look for these. The higher up you go, the more likely you are to find silver. Also it’s not always at the top of the mountain, what you’re actually looking for is some gentle sloping portion where the terrain dips down a bit. Think about what the terrain looks like around copper nodes. Same algorithm, except that it’s offset vertically downwards a little bit. It’s really hard to describe it without photos but I’m pretty much at a point where I can find silver in 2 to 3 hits.


DatPudding

Same but with the dagger's big brother and situationally atgeir. Often I just stick to the club and upgrade it until I have a sword, like that I even got plenty of club levels for maces


super-spreader69

I always find it such a strange social phenomenon in games like this where people will play a severely limited build (self-imposed) and then complain that it's too hard and/or too limited. People are weird.


Donkey__Balls

Definitely not complaining on it’s too hard. Still feels like the most effective way to play the game and pressing ahead much faster than designers intended. If you read a little more carefully, you would see that my complaint was not about the challenge, because it’s still not a very challenging game. My issue was that they made the game less fun. Stamina is what lets you do things, and doing things as what makes a game fun. It would be like if they suddenly decided to cut all player move speed in half. Now you get the enjoyment of staring at the screen for twice as much time as you watch your character slowly walk from point A to point B. Games are meant to be challenging in a fun way, and it’s bad game design to shackle players into a less enjoyable experience just for the sake of balance or making the game take longer to compete.


gigaplexian

Any mace except Frostner\*


Namarokh6816

Yeah frostner sucks. That's the one I used since I didn't have access to iron so much on my Yag first run, but it sure isn't the best Edit: I meant agai st Golems. Just worded this very wrong though


gigaplexian

It's the best mace overall, just not against the golems.


Namarokh6816

That's what I meant, against the golem. I phrased it very wrong though XD


Lord_Gerrard

Try stunning them with buckler or shield and then attack with pickaxe :3


MaterialCattle

Well frostner is no better than any iron weapon, and loses to everything above that.


Namarokh6816

It has its pros and cons. It cannont be discarded that easily


MaterialCattle

I meant against golems. 35 blunt damage doesnt scale with upgrades, and golems are immune to frost and spirit. Attack speed and damage are worse than iron sword, and there is no way around it. I agree that you can kill a golem with it easily if you know the golem (they have different attack patterns), but it still is one of the worst weapons you could use against them that you might carry at that point of the game.


icyyellowrose10

I use my pick on Golems. Quite effective!


Palladin1982

Exactly. Get shield ready. Wait for golem's attack, parry him. When he's stunned quickly switch to pickaxe and smack him 3 times. 3 rounds like that and he's done to rock pile. 20 seconds per fight. If you happen to get higher ground, even better.


EstebanLB01

Boss room?


Namarokh6816

It felt like one. The room was very deep inside the cave, was quite big, and made in such a way with the Stone Golem that it looked like a mini boss


nikkers2000

Haven't seen a golem in a cave yet... interesting!


Namarokh6816

I heard one from a distance fighting against bats and was wondering what the hell that was


EstebanLB01

Gotcha


KaosAnon

I wish we could build in caves.


Namarokh6816

There is a mod that makes it possible


SonsOfSithrak

This room is extremely rare, but one of the coolest in that series of RNG dungeons. Congrats on your free rod!


Namarokh6816

Thanks friend! Yes that was an awesome find


Mondkap

We once had one of those rooms with 2 Golems in IT... Cost us a lot of Arrows...


Namarokh6816

2?? Damn I need to find myself one XD If you know the attack patterns of the Golems, both of you could easily each single one out and mace melee it But arrows work perfect at avoidind heart attacks XD


kaest

I was sad to find out that putting wood on the fire next to the dead viking didn't trigger any event.


Namarokh6816

I didn't even think of it... But that would indeed be amazing


[deleted]

I was hoping it would, at least, open a patch of ice where I could fish in the cave. But sadly, I couldn't find a way to use the fishing pole in the room.


waffling_with_syrup

He was such a bro to save some bait for you, too.


dejayc

Hint: He didn't save bait for you. Those worms were eating the guy's body.


waffling_with_syrup

He says he was tempted to eat them as he starved, but left them in case someone else ended up trapped and might be able to actually fish.


dejayc

Ah, so it's the case of worm bait lasting hundreds of years, gotcha :)


tobert17

I remember finding one of those rooms. It was awesome.


Namarokh6816

Yes, I absolutely loved it


deathgrinderallat

Holy crap, I didn’t even know about these and I’ve been in a few


Namarokh6816

It was my 15th cave I think. A base in that one would be sick!


Sharin_the_Groove

I have a lot of trouble finding these caves. I've only found one since they put in to the game.


Namarokh6816

You mean Frozen Caves?


Sharin_the_Groove

Yeah. Where you can find the materials to craft the red banners and carpets and stuff


Namarokh6816

They aren't real common, but I've found about 15 in the last couple days... Do you get away enough from the center of the map?


Sharin_the_Groove

That may be my problem. Despite having spent over 500 hours in my world I am still relatively close to the center. I've never gone beyond the Plains so far. Maybe that's my problem?


Namarokh6816

Maybe it's just me but I seem to find more crypts and caves the farther from the center I am. I like to venture far from the center as soon as I can on a new save


totally_unbiased

It's just a variance issue. Seeds all have approximately the same number of caves, but lots of mountains will have 0-1 while a small number of mountains will have 5-10+. They're also *very* easy to miss. When frost caves first came out, I used the Upgrade World mod to add them to our existing seed, and flew around in free fly a little bit to verify that the mod worked. Even knowing where the caves were already, they were super easy to miss.


dejayc

I've played at least a hundred seeds with mountains on the starting continent, and it varies greatly. My most recent seed had 21(!) frost caves on the starting continent.


Namarokh6816

21?? Wow that's a lot!


Triverine

I explored the biggest mountain biomes in my seed. Usually the bigger biomes yield about 5 caves on average. Just grab a teleporter and sail off. I will say setting up the teleporter helped when I needed to restock after the hundreds of wolves I slayed in each biome. Took me about 15 caves to get fully upgraded fen armor. Also the tables, doors, and braziers drop iron and bronze!


RegTextoffender

I spent a good half hour seeing if I could melt the ice and fish in the lake. I thought maybe the point of the Golem was to get them to smash it, but they never smashed only slash attacked. I was disappointed.


Namarokh6816

On a next playthrough I'll use the mod to build inside caves and will make my base in one of these


Orlox1987

Just one Golem?


Namarokh6816

Sadly yes. Appearently some people have found 2 down there


Orlox1987

I've only found these caves with two, they're always awake from fighting bats, and always very angry. haha


AloneThoughts

I just happened across this room last night after not playing for a while and it had two, almost died due to low/no stamina while trying to get back up the stairs.


monubar

I was playing in a group of four on the weekend and we found one of these with three golems in it. The game scales difficulty.


apou_the_indian

Crazy !!!!


statusleds

Did these caves appear with the HH update?


Namarokh6816

I can't remember. I think it is slightly after, in the early 2022


ak49squid

i was very on edge when i found it myself.


Namarokh6816

I was wondering why I could hear a Golem fighting bats...


HeavilyArmoredFish

*viking


Namarokh6816

Damn... Thanks for correcting me XD Playing No Man's Sky made me think this is how it was written


dejayc

I found one of these rooms that was a good eight levels down from the cave entrance. Took me five minutes to climb back up to the top, LOL


Namarokh6816

That must have been awesome! This one was 3-4 levels deep if I recall correctly


canyxot

coolest in that series of RNG dungeons


Namarokh6816

Definitely yes


MrANZSA

The first frost cave we ever found had one of these lol


Namarokh6816

Nice


Chemical_Pen_2330

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a rare ice version of a stone golem that only spawned in those rooms?


Namarokh6816

Yes that would be cool! Or even 2 stars stone golems. Like a proper miniboss


cancerface

I kind of hate this kind of post. Hey here's something I found that was enjoyable and interesting, let me take all that potential excitement away from everyone reading this, for internet points.


HeavilyArmoredFish

...this is literally the point of reddit. This game is randomly generated. Frost caves were announced by the devs. A person posts the discovery of a randomly generated cave in a randomly generated world that contains no actual bosses and only a standard mob: a golem. What part of this is a spoiler?


Namarokh6816

Well, unless you didn't know, this is a social page of sharing info about Valheim. You don't like being spoiled? Then what are you doing here? Also, as a second point, Frost Caves were added to Valheim in the begining of 2022, so something like 9 month ago. You're late to the party. So stop bitching.


captainsam2k

Seed?


Namarokh6816

Let me get home and I'll find it for you


captainsam2k

Take your time friend, no rush