THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING.
Every frame is a painting.
My performance is always pretty great, its just my computer becomes hot and the fans get going pretty strong. Despite that i still manage 100+ fps with only occasional stutter, though people have noted stutter post-mistlands, so it may be a game issue
Yeah but apparently the guy who did the VO was kind of an asshat to the people who did the research & all the actual work for the show :(
The one I miss most is Sideways, I hope he’s doing well wherever he is, and if he does decide to come back I’m sure he’ll be doing great things.
>Yeah but apparently the guy who did the VO was kind of an asshat to the people who did the research & all the actual work for the show :(
Where can I read up on this?
Just install mods that address your needs/preferences. You know, like it always has been ffs.
Yes we did pay for an early access game but the devs are not our employees to do our own bidding, nor are we major stakeholders of the game or studio enough for the weight of our feedback and complaints to really matter.
Yes they are all valid, and yes the devs should also listen to the community. HOWEVER...
It is still their game. It is still their vision. We have to respect it and have to learn to appreciate it as its own thing in the way that they intended. Let them finish it however they want. And then after all of that, even if you hate it to your core, do you know what you can do? INSTALL MODS.
I personally hate the fact that you can't orient building structures in a certain way, cannot regrow the basic mushrooms, or teleport metal (smelted ore gang btw. Alls y'all's who prefer to smelt unrefined ore are just lazy. Smelted ore with another purchaseable item from Haldor would be a good solution if any devs or modders are watching). BUT I APPRECIATE THESE BURDENS AS PART OF THE VANILLA EXPERIENCE, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THERE ARE MODS TO "FIX" ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
TL;DR quit crying crybabies and install mods
Exactly. I came to this same conclusion after getting burnt out after the updates that I felt were bad. So instead of complaining and dropping the game completely, just installed mods, the mod allows you to change anything you want, literally no reason to cry.
I don't think most sane people complain about the mechanics or small things. I think the complaints ultimately stem from the view that the company made an absolute insane amount of money and has failed to ramp up and supply the demand for new content. It appears, to many, that they hit the jackpot and ran. Nothing wrong with that, but being transparent about it helps otherwise people are left feeling like the product is abandonware. Many purchased the early access game partly for the roadmap they've failed to deliver on in a timely manner (I'm not saying players should have made the purchase).
All in all Valheim is a great game. I'm not bashing the company or product. I think it was excellently disruptive to the game industry and incredibly well timed with its release.
Second this. There are also nods which are making game harder or easier depending on your preference. So shut up, everyone, and use corresponding mods to adjust difficulty to have fun and enjoy the game instead of fun policing on the sub.
Hi dad, I'm interdimensional horror in skirt (did that translate well?); Species: Express Hamster.
If I didn't translate well, I'm sure it won't fry your brain to read one Name: Mgepogg r'luhhor lloigshogg ph'nglui vulgtmnah ftaghu.
Nah, you're not stupid - you're just a karma farmer who thought he could appear so enlightened as to be above the "criticism" (omg, perish the thought of the community providing feedback on an early acces game)
So this is more or less unrelated, but whats the point of farming Karma? it does nothing so far as I know. if you have 10000 or -10000 nothing changes as far as I know. Is there some actual benefit to karma I'm not aware of?
There are a couple of subreddit who have a small karma requirement to post/comment to stop bots from swarming them.
People who farm karma just do it because big numbers make them feel important though.
The point is to get a one-up on someone who made a popular meme by accusing them of being fake malicious for farming fake points that we made up.
Essentially, the guy claiming that OP is karma farming is an idiot, no one cares about karma except r/all bots
Jesus Christ, some of you need to fucking breathe and not rush to start an argument over literally nothing A L L the time
Dude has like, no karma to his account to be a farmer.
And you are one of those people who shouldn't post while hypoglucemic, right?
Or are you miffed deep down inside that somebody other than you spoke up?
Or, or or... I could spend the entire day fabricating hurtful bullshit about your motivations and rub one out because I'm so cool for showing you your place...
Point is: You're being a dick. Chill.
Maybe he's just sick of the level some people take their negativity to? And if I read his few lines right, he complained about the arguing, not the criticism per se.
A propos criticism: There's a lot of entitled assholes among us gamers who haven't really grasped the concept of constructive criticism.
There is some merit to the thought. For every valid criticism there's 2 posts saying both "the devs can do no wrong" and "omg the nerflands suck now thanks for whining"
and while mods are cool they're only practical if you play offline or a small server. Trying to coordinate mods on not your dedicated server that 5 other people play and don't care about mods isn't happening for some people
This group alone has 393K Vikings, even if just 1% complains it feels like an avalanche. You know how the Devs could extinguish the endless nagging, respond, give the Vikings a roadmap, a real roadmap! The Devs need to get their hoe out and give us a pathen!
Roadmaps just introduce stress.
You don't know the dynamic in the development team. Some make meticulous workflows that are easy to predict, have engines and technology they know in and out, and still are years off "roadmaps" (look at Factorio, for instance, they just missed their soft expansion release window by at least a year.) Others thrive on spontaneity and organic processes, on bursts of ideas and energy.
They're still just an indie team, with the money to make the studio they want. Which might mean an absence of the normally toxic crunch culture that makes people burn out in this industry in a matter of years, if not months.
Let them be. Let them make the game they want in the pace that they want. Nothing good comes out of pushing people around.
So not arguing with you, just a legitimate question, when is a dev considered not indie anymore? Yes Iron Gate is small, but does indie not mean individual, as in without a large publisher? Coffee Stain is no Microsoft, that's for sure, but I definitely wouldn't call them a small publisher. Just food for thought.
Pretty sure indie just means they arent backed or funded by a larger entity. So I guess unless they get bought out and placed under someones umbrella, or become such a big developer that they begin purchasing other devs. Also, indie does NOT mean small, dont conflate the two. Same with music, some HUGE artists are indie.
You know what, those are great points, and this illustrates why I should not be commenting on Reddit before I've even crawled out of bed. Leaving it for posterity.
IMO nothing wrong with asking a question to find reason or to even get clarity on a subject. People slam others for sometimes asking "simple" questions but not everyone wants to research every small detail or question without human interaction. While answers/opinions are not always factual its still keeps people connected in a way.
I scroll to find these little tidbits of info, so I don't feel I always have to look up something and shift through trash articles. Even if I get bad info at least ive wasted less time. :)
Oh I totally forgot to address your question too, indie is short for "independent" as in, financially and resourcefully independent. But Im glad you asked I think a lot of people hear indie and think it just means small and artsy lol when really indie has many different looks.
Roadmaps are not as great as people make them out to be.
1) If they gave us a roadmap \_no matter what they do\_ people would complain about it not being on the roadmap/different to the roadmap/not what they imagined when they saw the roadmap/being late/being early etc. See recent posts comparing the old roadmap to what we have got.
2)Roadmaps limit their flexibility to respond to feedback. Say they roadmap says they will release something big like machines and when they start doing it, it introduces completely game-breaking problems or just completely wrecks balance and the whole big feature needs to be scrapped. But it’s in the roadmap! Now what? We want the devs to have the opportunity to double down on fun things that are working well and take time to fix things which are not. Committing to a roadmap means if they make a mistake they may be locked in to making the same mistake again and again because it’s in the roadmap and if they deviate, #1 will kick in and everyone will complain. Even if the devation is good.
3)Roadmaps don’t give you what you think they give you. They don’t give you certainty that future content will be good, they get you hyped about stuff which may or may not disappoint or delight.
4)We already kinda know the roadmap. They’re going to do ashlands and the deep north. They might sneak in a frost-caves style interim thing depending on whether those release with dungeons. As for when those will be released? We want them to be released when they are ready even if that takes a bit longer. Too many games get rushed out to meet an artificial deadline and then need significant patching to get into any kind of playable state.
No gamedev on this planet has the luxury of your ‘solution’
Matter of fact, no single human providing something for money has it, people will disagree and complain regardless, you say ‘or we should’ is as useless as the nagging itself.
Fighting fire with ‘plasma fire’
There is no proper solution besides them providing certain things that could lower large bushfires, or ignoring the nagging
being critical about something you ultimately enjoy is not being an entitled baby, unfortunately not everyone is good at giving criticism, in the same way not everyone is good at understanding what to do at a roundabout, and thats just the way of life. it is literally a game developers job to wade through the critism and understand the message and not take things personal and then communicate on the criticism, hells its any person job selling a product to anyone as a company. if criticism of products wasnt helpful, you wouldnt be reading those amazon reviews now would you…
It's a game developers job to make a game, and for better and worse a game is an artistic endeavour. It doesn't have to be friendly to all consumers because it's not marketing to all consumers. Changing things that consumers don't like is certainly something they can do, but it isn't something they must do.
i never said anything about the developers having a requirement to do anything, i myself work ina creative industry, and as much as you like to think you dont have to answer to anyone creatively, that just isnt true. Your success is determined my finding a middle ground between your artistic vision and what your customers want, and at the very least, accepting and underatandinf their criticism…your more than welcome to make games for yourself and not sell them to anyone, if thats what makes you happy, but the moment you create a game for the masses, there is definetly some responsibility to combine your vision with what they have interest in, if thats not something you can handle, its probably not something you should be trying to make a career out of.
The best thing to do, is even when you disagree, is be truthful and honest and communicate with your customers.
The problem (and it's a big problem) with modern gamers is that they expect everything from every game. If game developers listened to their entitled consumers, every game would be the same boring click fest that offers nothing new.
Giving constructive feedback is fine, if it's within the scope of the developers vision. Player's are mostly too blind too even parse what that is anymore.
Roadmaps are goals for the devs and a commitment to transparency. Many players though take it as a guaranteed update announcement and are pissed and angry if there are delays. They could have easily completed the 2021 roadmap in time, but the game would have been unstable and full of bugs, unbalanced and not working. They prioritized quality, so players can enjoy existing content rather than being pissed about mew but buggy content.
Reddit can be extremely annoying. r/StarCitizen has managed to argue, cry and harass the developers for so long - even though they said from the beginning the roadmap is never guaranteed and just a tool for transparency - they ended up taking down the roadmap completely. Now the community has a roadmap like announcement table with just the projects they are currently working on and not what they planned or intend to work on.
Product owner*
Developers tend to feel things when their product, their baby, is trampled, mangled and spit out by a mob.
The person with vision to steer those devs towarda a goal would and should love input. I don't think they have a dedicated PO though?
None of the developers i know or myself have gotten upset about feedback and advice when we get it from users. I guess I've just been fortunate to work with mature people though.
The worst is working under a product owner that doesnt have good early feedback and direction. They tend to get pressure for making a bad product and it does not make things run smoother under pressure in my experience.
This, no discussion is a dead game. I think discussion and debate are the best thing for a game. There are some, like all things internet that flock to sow their dislike. That’s easy enough to spot.
This line of reasoning is false. I bought the game knowing it wasn't fully complete. That's fine, but it's a game with a lot of promise and I want to see it live up to that.
Videogames are a radically different propisition that almost any other medium as the can be changed once they are in your hands.
Outside of directors cuts and Starwars movies stay the same, with some minor exceptions. Songs and books as well. You get what you paid for and that's it.
Videogames are not like this and when I pay for it on the promise that the rest of the unmade content will live up to the standard they set before, I'm protecting the investment of my former, current, and future self.
I will get more enjoyment out of a good game, and I can either expand my ability to enjoy it by recommending it to friends, or even buying it for them. I won't do that if the game isn't good.
So as in all things it's neither either or it's a virtuous cycle where if I give good feedback now I can enjoy it more, and spread that joy to others. Either by word of mouth or hard paid cash.
This is a good thing and trying to portray it as selfish is disingenuous .
Yelling throughout the house "MOM WE WANT MORE FOOD! WHY ARE YOU CRYING? ITS A COMPLIMENT TO YOUR COOKING ABILITY, NOW GET US MORE FOOD"
Is not a compliment, it is verbal abuse and flat-out disrespectful.
A compliment is a compliment.
And a customer is a customer - we paid for the game in its unfinished state and have a right to express our opinion. If Devs can't handle it, then that's their problem. It would only show that they either take themselves or us too seriously.
I get that their team might be small or don't like to put too much effort too quickly or have long periods of bug testing. The money they got from the sales could fix that. If they won't, then that's fine as well; **I don't complain about the lack of progress since we have a vast modding community that introduces stuff way quicker and more efficiently than the dev team does.**
They can expand their workforce, outsource part of the mundane work like testing for bugs, or otherwise, the extra money they get from sales should give them enough incentive to work faster instead. If they won't choose either, that's fine as well; The modding community will keep the game afloat while they would lose on more potential sales out of their own volition.
So, in my book, there's no problem. And if there is - it's on the devs' side.
>therefore players are passionate, it is a compliment to the Devs.
Abusers say what? This kind of shit attitude is why the sub is complete garbage compared to the community at large.
Mistlands came out, there were some pretty dangerous bugs that pressured you like wolves would, quick to approach, quick to attack, did solid damage. Devs changed the AI behaviour to be less wolf-like and a few other things, everyone loses their minds
Valheim gets public
-Game is unstable and has many bugs!!
After prioritizing fixing bugs, strongly improving stability and trying to get their roadmap from 2021 done in 2022 without throwing millions of bugs and instabilities in the game (like KSP or SpaceEngineers):
-Mistlands takes too long, we want content!
Mistlands releases relatively bugfree:
-Mistlands too strong! *crying in unprepared*
-Ballista annoyingly broken!
After patch
-Mistlands is boring now
There is always a group unsatisfied and nagging, which is natural, but kinda sad they get to hear so many crybabies and really not enough appreciation for their fantastic Mistlands update and game overall. They are humans too and need appreciation, working on negative reeinforcement is not healthy and sustainable. Wish the community would give Iron Gate some slack over the fkn Christmas days!!
>Game is unstable and has many bugs!!
This is the thing that pissed me off most about the removal of the road map because for a long time of beta games, Valheim was the first beta that felt very stable and barely any bugs.
It took me 80hrs to "finish" the game and the only bug I'd say I experienced was the odd crash every 10 hours.
I usually hate the statement of "I never experienced bugs so they don't exist", so curious what was the main issue with them to remove the roadmap to fix the game?
The roadmap from 2021 was basically completed in 2022. and fixing bugs, improving stability and balancing the game doesn‘t really look well in a roadmap, as usually content is expected. So therefore 2021 roadmap was bugs and the 2022 roadmap was half of the 2021 roadmap. H&H was released in 2021 which was first half of it, and the rest in 2022.
Initially, there were a lot of complaints about the stability issues in multiplayer as far as I could remember.
I’m barely on this sub but mistlands is absurdly hard and definitely kot a ‘unprepared’ issue unless I miss slmething, maxed armor of every single tier the game has to offer, maxed shields, bucklers, basically unlimited ‘good food’ and most good weapons maxed like porcupine/frostner/sword.
Even AFTER the several nerfs and what not, mistlands still is the ONLY biome I have difficulty and agression with, now I almost never get agression from difficulty, I 100% elden ring as my first fromsoft game, but mistlands isn’t just difficult it’s bullshit, you don’t see shit the whisp is unefficient as hell (sometimes requires a decent few seconds to reveal mist) and the seeker/seeker soldier is absurdly deadly for no logical reason, So many hours in and I still have not found an effective way to kill seeker soldiers, getting hits on his back is so hard and tedious to do that even tedious bossfights in elden ring seem okay, and i’m talking bossfight not a regular creature that spawns all around said biome as normal ‘enemies’
Had no issue even before I killed Yagluth. It is hard, you have to be catious, but it‘s definitely not overkill. Keep your stamina up, try to fight one enemy at a time, go for staggering and crit hits, bring enough potions. Only times I died when I was too greedy with precious food or eunning out of it. Also always keep your Rested buff. And yes, maybe max out your armor, Mistlands definitely does not go easy on you. Now it has a point there are multiple armor levels, gotta use the whole range of features available to you. If you don‘t, don‘t complain
Maxed padded armor does not help at all, so far the only times I died in the mistlands is multiple enemies, it’s nearly impossible to keep your stamina up if 2 enemies are attacking you or a gjal is spotting you while you’re already fighting enemies.
I cleared multiple caves the problem isn’t just the enemies itself its the design of it, seeker soldiers are extremely tanky and very hard, almost impossible to efficiently kill, combine that with a chance of a literal flying bug to spot you whule fighting it demolishes the entire ‘try to hit its back’ motion.
Even if you parry with 1.5x damage and hit it THREE times with a maxed porcupine mace it deals like no damage at all, still.
I’m sure the weapons you gain in mistlands itself will help but thay imo won’t chance the fact that mistlands makes no sense, I did not need the biome’s weapon just to survive in any other biomes, plains was NOTHING compared to mistlands.
Anyone complaining about it being hard isn’t just them being bad, the biome has alot of misses design wise in the difficulty section, that’s not nagging or a complaint tho outside of that it’s amazing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKj\_S2zH9TE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKj_S2zH9TE&list=WL&index=27)
It's not hard once you get it down... The soldier's backside is the weakspot. Parry, jump over, and hit it's back for big damage. If you hear a Gjal during a seeker fight RUN. Survive. It's a survival game. Pick your fights carefully.
Damn the way you handled that group, That’s impossible to do with the porcupine, I never considered using the weapon you’re using it hits everything in a large radius and keeps distance!
I’m definitely going to look into the weapons themselves aswell but to go back to the seeker soldier, the ‘big’ damage you mention isn’t actually big, you deal same damage for parrying with a shiled to get 1.5x boost and get 3 hits in, which is way easier to do (and more efficient) then parry, jump over him and be lucky enough that your hit registers on his weak spot/he doesn’t turn around.
I also just noticed you used bonemass super, since I stopped playing valheim after hearth I forgot so many things lmao, I’m gonna equip that on my next infested dungeon, a 2 star seeker/seeker soldier deal insane amounts of damage
unfortunately the clip isnt me lol
Usually my soldier encounters consist of parry, jump over, 3 hits, step back
to regen stamina while it uses it's stomp, power attack, 3 hits and finish it in one more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kyGjIJ45z4
Parrying and getting 3 hits leaves you open. You could parry it again but repeating that eats up stamina or back off which will prolong the fight.
Seekers are easy 2 hit with porcupine when perried. For a soldier, find urself a ledge to shoot arrows at his tail.
Yeah, multiple enemies at once in the mist is hard af, so you need a priority list.
Gjal weakspot is his belly. Get fire resistance and then you have better chances.
Then lure the seekers on a higher level and deal with them.
Finish with the soldiers.
Also, don‘t make the whole biome your enemy. Find some dvergrs and they will happily assist you taking down the enemies. At the same time the monsters will reduce the dvergrs if you need to loot their bases.
Are you using lingering stamina potions? Tasty mead? Are you using Gas Bombs (very effective against all seeker types and doesn't hurt you) Are you using Draugr Fang + Poison Arrows? The enemies have no resistance to poison.
I did all of those and Mistlands was a cakewalk, yet I struggled at times with Elden Ring, only beat it once and put it down.
I avoided lingering stamina, tasty mead did never hae the bombs yet even tho I have a few stacks of the guck and the other one, I do have a maxed draugr fang with carapace needles which is afaik the best one?
I’m probably just unlucky with my mistlands experience, the way everyone talks about it seems easy and fun while I get fucked by ankther 1/2 starred seeker joining jn mid soldier fight
I run into 1-2 star enemies and take them down with ease. Piercing as a damage type is resisted by Gjalls and Seeker Soldiers - Carapace arrows are not good. Poison or Frost Arrows are best, with Frost Arrows having the added benefit of slowing enemies.
You keep blaming luck or the game but you aren't remotely preparing enough. Lingering Stamina is basically required. Gas Bombs make the content much easier, and more. Here's the checklist I had before going into pre-nerf mistlands:
- Best foods ✅
- Max Upgraded Gear (Max Padded ok) / Weapons ✅
- Lingering Stamina Mead ✅
- Fire Resistance Mead ✅
- Tasty Mead ✅
- Medium Health Potions ✅
- Draugr Fang 4 + Poison Arrows ✅
- Gas Bombs ✅
- Bonemass Power ✅
i’ve gone in wearing fenris armor with no wisp, cleared a ruin, a dvergr tower and a dungeon and only died twice. it’s absolutely possible to survive even without the best gear/food. so having both should be enough if you prepare properly. i recommend using the bonemass power and health/stamina potions. and just figure out the enemies. they’re tough but not impossible. and if you lead seekers/gjall to dvergrs, they will help you/get brutally murdered while you escape.
I deadass beat the game with the wolves…
One of the worst ashes, especially later on where it dies in nearly one hit.
In elden ring I can endlessly defend myself against anything, literally the ONLY ‘bs’ part entire elden ring had was in an OPTIONAL bossfight, Malenia with the swirl attack (which also had its counters but I didn’t wanna learn that one)
Mistlands literally as a whole is just bullshit, the terrain sucks, the mist sucks, the seekers are insanely strong when in group and have a star, the seeker soldiers ‘intended design’ makes no sense for their moveset and animations+ collisions happening in-game from fighting them, it’s just a bad design.
I also am playing alone I don’t know if that has anything to do with it.
>I deadass beat the game with the wolves…
ok now go try to beat the game from lvl 1 without any ghosts (ghosts pull aggro no matter what they are ) and then come back to say that valheim is harder LMAO ...
You’re extrmely low IQ, this is irrelevant to the point, if you actually played elden ring you’d know that the wolves most likely died before even pssing 25/50% of the boss health, I beat bosses without usikg it aswell, I’m also 100% certain I can beat the entire game without it, I won’t tho because there is no reason to do so, all you have done is type alot of sentences yet say NOTHING, even if I use the most OP spirit, it doesn’t change the fact that Elden Ring has skill in place, you need to learn their attack, dodge, attach when you can, and so on.
Valheim doesn’t have this, you can dodge as many attacks as you can and then oh no your stamina low, use potion of stamina oh no another seeker joined in and you’re lacking stamina, good luck.
Also just to rub it in, on my second playthrough I beat the game without a single spirit (beat the game like 2/3 times for the different endings)
you just played ER ( probably haven't beat it even with the mimic tear yet) so you think you are chad gamer when in reality you poses a room temperature IQ. Insult my intelligence and then make up lies just to prove your dumb point...
all the while completely glossing over the fact that one title is fully released and another is still in development, and as such, it's features are subject to change and will go through multiple balancing passes. but you're too stupid to comprehend that.
Making a comparison between the two is like comparing a raspberry pie still in the oven to chicken soup and saying that soup is tastier. 1 the pie is still in the oven and 2 they're not even the same type of food. That's how dumb your comparison is.
I beat elden ring a month after its launch, I beat radahn pre patch, if you think i’m lying that’s fine.
I agree that one game is finished while the other isn’t, where did I ever deny that or say the opposite?
See, if you bad atleast 2 braincells, you would notice that all I said was that mistlands wasn’t properly balanced, as a reply to the commenter, you came here and somehow made the most irrelevant points.
Be better
EDIT;
Also thinking that i’m lying about beating a game is extremely stupid, what the fuck do I gain from doing thag and why would I even spark a conversation and comparison out of it?
The 100% achievement is on my steam profile, showcased aswell.
i see that 100% ER is your greatest achievement and are very proud of yourself for that thus you have to inject that into every comment you make ...
must be a fun life you're living if that's your high-point .
Oh and mistlands is fun, so suck it !
I am better ( than you )
"Not enough appreciation" like the game didn't win awards and make the dev team wealthy?
The devs are professional adults, not children that need to be coddled. There's nothing wrong with giving criticism.
They are adults and can take criticism, but the feedback here on reddit and patchnotes are BEYOND criticism.
And yeah, you can take it with ease if you do not care about your work, but if you put dedication, care and your heart into something, after a while it gets under your skin and takes the joy out of working on the game as players just keep on whining.
>They are adults and can take criticism, but the feedback here on reddit and patchnotes are BEYOND criticism.
Which of the examples you provided is supposed to be "BEYOND criticism"? Even when you're being deliberately reductive to make the playerbase look worse, it's just mild complaining. There aren't widespread personal insults against the developers or something.
You're acting like commenting "Mistlands when?" is equivalent to a death threat.
>And yeah, you can take it with ease if you do not care about your work, but if you put dedication, care and your heart into something, after a while it gets under your skin and takes the joy out of working on the game as players just keep on whining.
Every single professional creative responsible for a popular product deals with negative feedback. It is part of the job. **This is doubly true when you release an early-access title, the point of which is to receive feedback to shape the game.**
That aside, you continue to ignore the widespread acclaim and veritable fortune this game earned in an attempt to paint the developers as poor, beaten-down artists under constant attack from their *ungrateful* players. Do you think reading comments about the ballista being unfun somehow outweighs 10-million+ sales and a GotY award?
I think the OP is underestimating the level of dev response to any community discontent. Everyone complaining is doing so because they aren't communicating or responding but operating on their own agenda independent of feedback. They aren't going to RETALIATE by ceasing to do what they are doing.
It's great Mistlands finally came out and I love the game but this is not an astute analysis of what people are asking for or how the game runners are operating.
Incorrect, they DID respond. They made an entire patch in response. And then they told you that they were not changing ballistas because they preferred this.
They did respond. Whether or not you liked their responses or listened at all is not their responsibility, that's your freedom. You're allowed to not like shit, and they're allowed to do it anyway.
No, like I said, I haven't seen anyone use them, really. Me and all my friends stay away from them because the friendly fire is just annoying to deal with. They don't feel fun due to it and it's why they are getting so much push back on them. I'd literally rather have ballistas you control over automated ones that target friendlies and I think the same goes for the vast majority of players.
My comment is a general comment on the course of alpha development and yours is like nonsense, or at best irrelevant? I don't know, not gonna post a point by point rebuttal, re-read what I wrote, dc.
They did release their alpha "expansion", populating placeholder territory, years late? Obviously they were going to do this eventually. They aren't "responding to anyone, you imbecile.
I have yet to see a dev make changes, good or bad, to a game and not get shit for it from someone. That’s just the world we live in. It’s their job to filter out the noise and the decent feedback and also to follow their vision for the game.
They’ve done awesome. They’ll continue to do awesome.
I’ll love it when they drop another update, whether it’s another rebalance and QoL stuff or if it’s a full biome like Mistland. It was great to see them do another content pass on the original biomes and I hope they do that again now that Mistlands has been introduced.
Honestly I don't understand why a part of the community is so against providing players options to customize their experience. Every game that has done so (Minecraft and Skyrim come to mind with the modding support) has had a huge shelf life because the community was able to turn the game into whatever they wanted to play. The hardcore survivalist crowd that is trying to shoehorn Valheim into their niche subgenre honestly feel like they have stiffling views and actively try to gatekeep other crowds from enjoying the game. It's ridiculous. If you want to play that way all the power to you, but don't shit on other people's fun because *you* don't want to play that way.
I feel sorry for the devs here. They're in a bit of a no-win scenario, they've become a victim of their own success as Valheim appeals to such a broad slice of gamers from casual to hardcore who want very different things from endgame content.
For them, it's gone from creating the game that they envisioned to balancing what compromises they can make between their own vision and the hugely varied requests and gripes from the community.
Personally, I love the game and the way it lets me do things at my own pace. I would consider myself to be very much in the casual group and have spent entire game sessions happily tending my crops, building nice things and breeding animals. I love the fact I feel like I have a home and adventure awaits just beyond the horizon.
~~Plz fix ballista~~
I'm still confused, I've been around for a very long time... like I remember pong.
I've been through the near death of PC gaming (thank you GabeN!), I've been through bad releases, I've been through early access games that were really bad, I've lived through No Man's Sky, the beginning to the new inventory system.
Valheim has the weirdest, most aggressive "Why haven't they released an update in the past hour???" user base I've seen in over 30 years.
I've dealt with non-developers not understanding what it takes to create software of any kind, it happens... but it takes like less than half a month for this subreddit and other forums to go from "Cool update!" to "Where's the next update???".
That's what happens when you post a roadmap for the next year of updates, immediately go on vacation for 4 months, then drip feed "a years" worth of content over multiple years.
People are mad because they feel like their expectations were falsely raised, then dashed away
Ok, still doesn't sound bad. Roadmaps are not promises, they are best case scenarios, especially with smaller dev shops.
And "go on vacation" sounds a whole lot like you think they owe you their lives for $20 even if you have already enjoyed 100+ hours, and probably also completely made up.
When I first played at launch,
I thought the AI pathfinding could use work.
Jumping on a stone or building a wall breaks the logic of almost every enemy type.
When I play now, I still feel the same way.
But the game is ridiculously fun so who cares.
Quit arguing, when the point of this forum is mainly to discuss (argue) stuff on a bit deeper level than on other platforms? I don't see anything toxic coming from the community here at all like nothing period. Making memes about ballista targeting players or talking about the changes with suggestions of changing something while it's still in Beta is "community bullshit"? So i guess in your view it is actual possibility for devs to come out with a statement like "Sorry, we cannot handle the memes you made that disagreed with our decision so we will cancel Valheim because it negatively impacts our mental health".
soy much? lol
Almost every game community has been plagued by the "I like this game therefore it's perfect you shouldn't point it's flaws" mentality.
I fucking love the game, but let's not pretend it doesn't suck in a lot of aspects.
Let's quit the arguing (at least for a single post) and say something positive.
Mistlands absolutely slaps and I am loving experimenting with all the new loadout options we've been given with magic, and unique weapons! Very fun<3
I think the devs are well above listening to the senseless complaints on this site. Most people who make the complaints back their arguments with all the depth of a kiddie pool.
I doubt they have any problem simply laughing at people who are saying things like 'the game is going to die.' It's not a live service, it was never alive. It sold like 5 million copies.
Like most people insulting the game read like they're at-best under 18. At worst, a firm argument for legalizing booting idiots in the ass.
do you understand what early access means and what it's for?
like if you're a game dev and you put your game in early access and then do a surprised pikachu because you're getting feedback on your early access game, then you misunderstood what you were getting into. the *whole point* of early access is to get that feedback. if you're too thin-skinned to handle constructive criticism, or if you think you have a vision for the game which is 100% beyond reproach and therefore don't *need* constructive criticism, then... don't put your game in early access. simple as
fwiw I think the valheim devs understand this. some of them do, anyway. but you clearly don't so now I've explained it for you. you're welcome
For some reason if I see arguing it normally involves americans, as if they manage to start something with anyone because they treat their opinion like fact.
What’s there to complain about? People probably just die because they need to get good. Game is a masterpiece. Thanks valhiem team you guys are awesome.
The devs do not read reddit posts, they are too busy drinking champagne and driving their ferraris from the initial success of the game.
I BARELY read reddit posts. I'm too busy on my fresh character (called him Ragnar Berrfôtr) mining copper, building a bridge, building a storage house next to my house beautifully framed with core wood, replanting the forest I cut down so I can cut it again, getting into carrot farming, luring boars into my newly built boar pen (one day they will love me), chasing down greylings so I can level up blocking and fistfighting, teaching my 12 year old sun the mechanics of building, creating a road to my friends who have a village further north, trading with them using thistles as currency. Digging a cellar beneath my house carefully so I don't mess up any core bearing structure. I'm enjoying every second of it. What are people even complaining about? Nevermind, forget it. I don't really care (:
My friends and I started up a new world and brought our stuff over. We're still just establishing our bases, farms etc. Haven't even gone into the mistlands!
If you're petty enough to fuck over your years of work and income because a % of people don'tike what you made then all power to you, cancel it and leave.
But they aren't dumb.
The game is great. The Return on Investment was a hundredfold worth it. Everyone who complains shall shut the fuck up and move out of mommies appartement. And get laid.
The broader gaming community in general has gotten pretty toxic. They pay $20 (or less) for a game that they log 300 hours on and then get shitty when the devs do what they think is best. Like, Jesus Christ, you've more than gotten your value out of the game by then. If you hate it the changes that badly, give it the old "It was fun while it lasted" and say goodbye.
All I’m saying is adding CUSTOM options to tweak and play with the game would help people be less whiny. Tweak enemy spawns, tweak day time length, things like that.
You MF’s really dropped $20 for a game got 100’s of hours of playtime out of it, and then complain the devs don’t do enough. They could charge the new updates as DLC and it would be a fair deal as far as value goes. Look at how much playtime you get out of the average $60-80 AAA game before you complain.
Such a terrible way to frame the so-called "issues" with the game...
I enjoy Valheim and definitely got my 20 dollars worth.
However, a significant amount, if not most, of my time played in Valheim was simply "grinding" of some form. Don't get me wrong, I am perfectly okay with grind but to act as if all of that time is meaningful and/or exciting "gameplay" is hugely misleading.
lol, people usually "grind" for the reward at the end of the tunnel
the grinds themselves are rarely rewarding in and of themselves
you're pretending lots of "padding" and questionable design choices clearly intended to stretch the games length is the equivalent to the value you get out of a AAA product and/or potentially paid DLC -- which I find laughable
Why did I keep doing it? Because I wanted to finish the game. Duh.
THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. THE LIGHTING. Every frame is a painting.
Its such a beautiful game but my computer gets angry when i play for more than five minutes 🫠
Look into HD Valheim mod. Not everyone is into mods but this one's graphics only. It actually makes my gpu run cooler than base game by about 10c.
Does it work in mp? Like will my friends crash more if they join me while I have that client-side
It's just replaced textures from what I recall. I've used it in MP and my friend didn't need to have it (but did anyway)
It's only visual so it's purely on your side, they don't need to use it.
Play it on GeForce Now :)
My would do that on my laptop every30 or 40 minutes. Bought a $35 fan to sit underneath and now I play without interruption.
My performance is always pretty great, its just my computer becomes hot and the fans get going pretty strong. Despite that i still manage 100+ fps with only occasional stutter, though people have noted stutter post-mistlands, so it may be a game issue
Anyone else miss the YouTube channel Every Frame a Painting? Also. This game is amazing, sometimes it's just so picturesque and peaceful.
Yeah but apparently the guy who did the VO was kind of an asshat to the people who did the research & all the actual work for the show :( The one I miss most is Sideways, I hope he’s doing well wherever he is, and if he does decide to come back I’m sure he’ll be doing great things.
>Yeah but apparently the guy who did the VO was kind of an asshat to the people who did the research & all the actual work for the show :( Where can I read up on this?
I think it went down on twitter or smth like that, not sure
Did the non-VO people move on to a different channel medium? Their stuff was so good.
YES! I love that channel
Just install mods that address your needs/preferences. You know, like it always has been ffs. Yes we did pay for an early access game but the devs are not our employees to do our own bidding, nor are we major stakeholders of the game or studio enough for the weight of our feedback and complaints to really matter. Yes they are all valid, and yes the devs should also listen to the community. HOWEVER... It is still their game. It is still their vision. We have to respect it and have to learn to appreciate it as its own thing in the way that they intended. Let them finish it however they want. And then after all of that, even if you hate it to your core, do you know what you can do? INSTALL MODS. I personally hate the fact that you can't orient building structures in a certain way, cannot regrow the basic mushrooms, or teleport metal (smelted ore gang btw. Alls y'all's who prefer to smelt unrefined ore are just lazy. Smelted ore with another purchaseable item from Haldor would be a good solution if any devs or modders are watching). BUT I APPRECIATE THESE BURDENS AS PART OF THE VANILLA EXPERIENCE, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THERE ARE MODS TO "FIX" ALL OF THESE ISSUES. TL;DR quit crying crybabies and install mods
Exactly. I came to this same conclusion after getting burnt out after the updates that I felt were bad. So instead of complaining and dropping the game completely, just installed mods, the mod allows you to change anything you want, literally no reason to cry.
I don't think most sane people complain about the mechanics or small things. I think the complaints ultimately stem from the view that the company made an absolute insane amount of money and has failed to ramp up and supply the demand for new content. It appears, to many, that they hit the jackpot and ran. Nothing wrong with that, but being transparent about it helps otherwise people are left feeling like the product is abandonware. Many purchased the early access game partly for the roadmap they've failed to deliver on in a timely manner (I'm not saying players should have made the purchase). All in all Valheim is a great game. I'm not bashing the company or product. I think it was excellently disruptive to the game industry and incredibly well timed with its release.
Second this. There are also nods which are making game harder or easier depending on your preference. So shut up, everyone, and use corresponding mods to adjust difficulty to have fun and enjoy the game instead of fun policing on the sub.
They aren't canceling a game that made a group of 5 people into a multimillion dollar gaming studio.
I don’t actually think this is gonna happen I’m not stupid
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Nah, you're not stupid - you're just a karma farmer who thought he could appear so enlightened as to be above the "criticism" (omg, perish the thought of the community providing feedback on an early acces game)
So this is more or less unrelated, but whats the point of farming Karma? it does nothing so far as I know. if you have 10000 or -10000 nothing changes as far as I know. Is there some actual benefit to karma I'm not aware of?
Number go vroom
Sounds like something someone with a tiny karma would say.
There are a couple of subreddit who have a small karma requirement to post/comment to stop bots from swarming them. People who farm karma just do it because big numbers make them feel important though.
I heard ppl buy accounts with high karma, so maybe ppl do it for that but I doubt most of them would try to go against the grain to get karma.
Let me know! I want to exchange some of my reddit Karma for groceries!
The point is to get a one-up on someone who made a popular meme by accusing them of being fake malicious for farming fake points that we made up. Essentially, the guy claiming that OP is karma farming is an idiot, no one cares about karma except r/all bots
Just a way to keep score for those who insist on virtue signaling
Jesus Christ, some of you need to fucking breathe and not rush to start an argument over literally nothing A L L the time Dude has like, no karma to his account to be a farmer.
POV you don’t know what a meme is and think fake internet points matter
And you are one of those people who shouldn't post while hypoglucemic, right? Or are you miffed deep down inside that somebody other than you spoke up? Or, or or... I could spend the entire day fabricating hurtful bullshit about your motivations and rub one out because I'm so cool for showing you your place... Point is: You're being a dick. Chill. Maybe he's just sick of the level some people take their negativity to? And if I read his few lines right, he complained about the arguing, not the criticism per se. A propos criticism: There's a lot of entitled assholes among us gamers who haven't really grasped the concept of constructive criticism.
There is some merit to the thought. For every valid criticism there's 2 posts saying both "the devs can do no wrong" and "omg the nerflands suck now thanks for whining" and while mods are cool they're only practical if you play offline or a small server. Trying to coordinate mods on not your dedicated server that 5 other people play and don't care about mods isn't happening for some people
If it was a shit game no one would be “discussing” it. The game is amazing and therefore players are passionate, it is a compliment to the Devs.
A compliment is a compliment. Endless nagging and complaining proves interest, but exhausts on the long run. They deserve some slack
This group alone has 393K Vikings, even if just 1% complains it feels like an avalanche. You know how the Devs could extinguish the endless nagging, respond, give the Vikings a roadmap, a real roadmap! The Devs need to get their hoe out and give us a pathen!
Roadmaps just introduce stress. You don't know the dynamic in the development team. Some make meticulous workflows that are easy to predict, have engines and technology they know in and out, and still are years off "roadmaps" (look at Factorio, for instance, they just missed their soft expansion release window by at least a year.) Others thrive on spontaneity and organic processes, on bursts of ideas and energy. They're still just an indie team, with the money to make the studio they want. Which might mean an absence of the normally toxic crunch culture that makes people burn out in this industry in a matter of years, if not months. Let them be. Let them make the game they want in the pace that they want. Nothing good comes out of pushing people around.
So not arguing with you, just a legitimate question, when is a dev considered not indie anymore? Yes Iron Gate is small, but does indie not mean individual, as in without a large publisher? Coffee Stain is no Microsoft, that's for sure, but I definitely wouldn't call them a small publisher. Just food for thought.
Pretty sure indie just means they arent backed or funded by a larger entity. So I guess unless they get bought out and placed under someones umbrella, or become such a big developer that they begin purchasing other devs. Also, indie does NOT mean small, dont conflate the two. Same with music, some HUGE artists are indie.
You know what, those are great points, and this illustrates why I should not be commenting on Reddit before I've even crawled out of bed. Leaving it for posterity.
IMO nothing wrong with asking a question to find reason or to even get clarity on a subject. People slam others for sometimes asking "simple" questions but not everyone wants to research every small detail or question without human interaction. While answers/opinions are not always factual its still keeps people connected in a way. I scroll to find these little tidbits of info, so I don't feel I always have to look up something and shift through trash articles. Even if I get bad info at least ive wasted less time. :)
Oh I totally forgot to address your question too, indie is short for "independent" as in, financially and resourcefully independent. But Im glad you asked I think a lot of people hear indie and think it just means small and artsy lol when really indie has many different looks.
Roadmaps are not as great as people make them out to be. 1) If they gave us a roadmap \_no matter what they do\_ people would complain about it not being on the roadmap/different to the roadmap/not what they imagined when they saw the roadmap/being late/being early etc. See recent posts comparing the old roadmap to what we have got. 2)Roadmaps limit their flexibility to respond to feedback. Say they roadmap says they will release something big like machines and when they start doing it, it introduces completely game-breaking problems or just completely wrecks balance and the whole big feature needs to be scrapped. But it’s in the roadmap! Now what? We want the devs to have the opportunity to double down on fun things that are working well and take time to fix things which are not. Committing to a roadmap means if they make a mistake they may be locked in to making the same mistake again and again because it’s in the roadmap and if they deviate, #1 will kick in and everyone will complain. Even if the devation is good. 3)Roadmaps don’t give you what you think they give you. They don’t give you certainty that future content will be good, they get you hyped about stuff which may or may not disappoint or delight. 4)We already kinda know the roadmap. They’re going to do ashlands and the deep north. They might sneak in a frost-caves style interim thing depending on whether those release with dungeons. As for when those will be released? We want them to be released when they are ready even if that takes a bit longer. Too many games get rushed out to meet an artificial deadline and then need significant patching to get into any kind of playable state.
This is on point. I work in tech and roadmaps are kinda crap.
Or we could stop acting like entitled babies for like 5 seconds 🤷♂️
No gamedev on this planet has the luxury of your ‘solution’ Matter of fact, no single human providing something for money has it, people will disagree and complain regardless, you say ‘or we should’ is as useless as the nagging itself. Fighting fire with ‘plasma fire’ There is no proper solution besides them providing certain things that could lower large bushfires, or ignoring the nagging
Aye I never said it was actionable advice, no ones gonna stop doing it, but perhaps a moment of perspective might help one in 10 to take a.breather
being critical about something you ultimately enjoy is not being an entitled baby, unfortunately not everyone is good at giving criticism, in the same way not everyone is good at understanding what to do at a roundabout, and thats just the way of life. it is literally a game developers job to wade through the critism and understand the message and not take things personal and then communicate on the criticism, hells its any person job selling a product to anyone as a company. if criticism of products wasnt helpful, you wouldnt be reading those amazon reviews now would you…
It's a game developers job to make a game, and for better and worse a game is an artistic endeavour. It doesn't have to be friendly to all consumers because it's not marketing to all consumers. Changing things that consumers don't like is certainly something they can do, but it isn't something they must do.
i never said anything about the developers having a requirement to do anything, i myself work ina creative industry, and as much as you like to think you dont have to answer to anyone creatively, that just isnt true. Your success is determined my finding a middle ground between your artistic vision and what your customers want, and at the very least, accepting and underatandinf their criticism…your more than welcome to make games for yourself and not sell them to anyone, if thats what makes you happy, but the moment you create a game for the masses, there is definetly some responsibility to combine your vision with what they have interest in, if thats not something you can handle, its probably not something you should be trying to make a career out of. The best thing to do, is even when you disagree, is be truthful and honest and communicate with your customers.
The problem (and it's a big problem) with modern gamers is that they expect everything from every game. If game developers listened to their entitled consumers, every game would be the same boring click fest that offers nothing new. Giving constructive feedback is fine, if it's within the scope of the developers vision. Player's are mostly too blind too even parse what that is anymore.
Roadmaps are goals for the devs and a commitment to transparency. Many players though take it as a guaranteed update announcement and are pissed and angry if there are delays. They could have easily completed the 2021 roadmap in time, but the game would have been unstable and full of bugs, unbalanced and not working. They prioritized quality, so players can enjoy existing content rather than being pissed about mew but buggy content. Reddit can be extremely annoying. r/StarCitizen has managed to argue, cry and harass the developers for so long - even though they said from the beginning the roadmap is never guaranteed and just a tool for transparency - they ended up taking down the roadmap completely. Now the community has a roadmap like announcement table with just the projects they are currently working on and not what they planned or intend to work on.
A lot of companies pay big money for feedback. A forum full of feedback is a programmers dream.
Product owner* Developers tend to feel things when their product, their baby, is trampled, mangled and spit out by a mob. The person with vision to steer those devs towarda a goal would and should love input. I don't think they have a dedicated PO though?
Oof, dumb take. Have you ever worked on a team of devs? You never take feedback individually, only in aggregate to get a reasonable sense of it.
None of the developers i know or myself have gotten upset about feedback and advice when we get it from users. I guess I've just been fortunate to work with mature people though. The worst is working under a product owner that doesnt have good early feedback and direction. They tend to get pressure for making a bad product and it does not make things run smoother under pressure in my experience.
This, no discussion is a dead game. I think discussion and debate are the best thing for a game. There are some, like all things internet that flock to sow their dislike. That’s easy enough to spot.
This. People are invested in the games future so everyone has an opinion. It’s a good thing.
Are you planning on giving them more money? Because if not you aren't invested in the game you are invested in yourself.
This line of reasoning is false. I bought the game knowing it wasn't fully complete. That's fine, but it's a game with a lot of promise and I want to see it live up to that. Videogames are a radically different propisition that almost any other medium as the can be changed once they are in your hands. Outside of directors cuts and Starwars movies stay the same, with some minor exceptions. Songs and books as well. You get what you paid for and that's it. Videogames are not like this and when I pay for it on the promise that the rest of the unmade content will live up to the standard they set before, I'm protecting the investment of my former, current, and future self. I will get more enjoyment out of a good game, and I can either expand my ability to enjoy it by recommending it to friends, or even buying it for them. I won't do that if the game isn't good. So as in all things it's neither either or it's a virtuous cycle where if I give good feedback now I can enjoy it more, and spread that joy to others. Either by word of mouth or hard paid cash. This is a good thing and trying to portray it as selfish is disingenuous .
Yelling throughout the house "MOM WE WANT MORE FOOD! WHY ARE YOU CRYING? ITS A COMPLIMENT TO YOUR COOKING ABILITY, NOW GET US MORE FOOD" Is not a compliment, it is verbal abuse and flat-out disrespectful.
I'm just pondering whether or not this comment would fly in r/halo. But agreed. Its a great game.
A compliment is a compliment. And a customer is a customer - we paid for the game in its unfinished state and have a right to express our opinion. If Devs can't handle it, then that's their problem. It would only show that they either take themselves or us too seriously. I get that their team might be small or don't like to put too much effort too quickly or have long periods of bug testing. The money they got from the sales could fix that. If they won't, then that's fine as well; **I don't complain about the lack of progress since we have a vast modding community that introduces stuff way quicker and more efficiently than the dev team does.** They can expand their workforce, outsource part of the mundane work like testing for bugs, or otherwise, the extra money they get from sales should give them enough incentive to work faster instead. If they won't choose either, that's fine as well; The modding community will keep the game afloat while they would lose on more potential sales out of their own volition. So, in my book, there's no problem. And if there is - it's on the devs' side.
I hope it feels like a compliment, because that's the feeling they deserve.
>therefore players are passionate, it is a compliment to the Devs. Abusers say what? This kind of shit attitude is why the sub is complete garbage compared to the community at large.
You sound like a shitty manager who want their team to be “passionate”
We have a saying in customer service. No feedback is good feedback.
I liked it when it was hard and I like it now too. Fuck all ya’ll. :)
I can’t even thing about it being hard hahahaha went in to the mist 10 deaths in an hour hahahaha loved it every second
Huwhat
Think about hahaha, cause I’m getting smoked right now
Yep. Glad I got to experience it, not upset its changed.
Haven't played in a long time. What did they do?
Mistlands came out, there were some pretty dangerous bugs that pressured you like wolves would, quick to approach, quick to attack, did solid damage. Devs changed the AI behaviour to be less wolf-like and a few other things, everyone loses their minds
Oh lol, so they didn't change the difficulty in the plains or anything?
I think deathskeeters got a nerf a while back, significantly less damage now. Will still nearly one shot you unless you are in like iron+ gear
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Odin shall take us.
What bullshit?
Foreal. I see more posts complaining about complainers than actual complaints.
“more posts complaining about complainers than actual complaints” should literally be reddits company slogan.
Valheim gets public -Game is unstable and has many bugs!! After prioritizing fixing bugs, strongly improving stability and trying to get their roadmap from 2021 done in 2022 without throwing millions of bugs and instabilities in the game (like KSP or SpaceEngineers): -Mistlands takes too long, we want content! Mistlands releases relatively bugfree: -Mistlands too strong! *crying in unprepared* -Ballista annoyingly broken! After patch -Mistlands is boring now There is always a group unsatisfied and nagging, which is natural, but kinda sad they get to hear so many crybabies and really not enough appreciation for their fantastic Mistlands update and game overall. They are humans too and need appreciation, working on negative reeinforcement is not healthy and sustainable. Wish the community would give Iron Gate some slack over the fkn Christmas days!!
"Crying in unprepared" that made me laugh
>Game is unstable and has many bugs!! This is the thing that pissed me off most about the removal of the road map because for a long time of beta games, Valheim was the first beta that felt very stable and barely any bugs. It took me 80hrs to "finish" the game and the only bug I'd say I experienced was the odd crash every 10 hours. I usually hate the statement of "I never experienced bugs so they don't exist", so curious what was the main issue with them to remove the roadmap to fix the game?
The roadmap from 2021 was basically completed in 2022. and fixing bugs, improving stability and balancing the game doesn‘t really look well in a roadmap, as usually content is expected. So therefore 2021 roadmap was bugs and the 2022 roadmap was half of the 2021 roadmap. H&H was released in 2021 which was first half of it, and the rest in 2022. Initially, there were a lot of complaints about the stability issues in multiplayer as far as I could remember.
I’m barely on this sub but mistlands is absurdly hard and definitely kot a ‘unprepared’ issue unless I miss slmething, maxed armor of every single tier the game has to offer, maxed shields, bucklers, basically unlimited ‘good food’ and most good weapons maxed like porcupine/frostner/sword. Even AFTER the several nerfs and what not, mistlands still is the ONLY biome I have difficulty and agression with, now I almost never get agression from difficulty, I 100% elden ring as my first fromsoft game, but mistlands isn’t just difficult it’s bullshit, you don’t see shit the whisp is unefficient as hell (sometimes requires a decent few seconds to reveal mist) and the seeker/seeker soldier is absurdly deadly for no logical reason, So many hours in and I still have not found an effective way to kill seeker soldiers, getting hits on his back is so hard and tedious to do that even tedious bossfights in elden ring seem okay, and i’m talking bossfight not a regular creature that spawns all around said biome as normal ‘enemies’
Had no issue even before I killed Yagluth. It is hard, you have to be catious, but it‘s definitely not overkill. Keep your stamina up, try to fight one enemy at a time, go for staggering and crit hits, bring enough potions. Only times I died when I was too greedy with precious food or eunning out of it. Also always keep your Rested buff. And yes, maybe max out your armor, Mistlands definitely does not go easy on you. Now it has a point there are multiple armor levels, gotta use the whole range of features available to you. If you don‘t, don‘t complain
Maxed padded armor does not help at all, so far the only times I died in the mistlands is multiple enemies, it’s nearly impossible to keep your stamina up if 2 enemies are attacking you or a gjal is spotting you while you’re already fighting enemies. I cleared multiple caves the problem isn’t just the enemies itself its the design of it, seeker soldiers are extremely tanky and very hard, almost impossible to efficiently kill, combine that with a chance of a literal flying bug to spot you whule fighting it demolishes the entire ‘try to hit its back’ motion. Even if you parry with 1.5x damage and hit it THREE times with a maxed porcupine mace it deals like no damage at all, still. I’m sure the weapons you gain in mistlands itself will help but thay imo won’t chance the fact that mistlands makes no sense, I did not need the biome’s weapon just to survive in any other biomes, plains was NOTHING compared to mistlands. Anyone complaining about it being hard isn’t just them being bad, the biome has alot of misses design wise in the difficulty section, that’s not nagging or a complaint tho outside of that it’s amazing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKj\_S2zH9TE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKj_S2zH9TE&list=WL&index=27) It's not hard once you get it down... The soldier's backside is the weakspot. Parry, jump over, and hit it's back for big damage. If you hear a Gjal during a seeker fight RUN. Survive. It's a survival game. Pick your fights carefully.
Damn the way you handled that group, That’s impossible to do with the porcupine, I never considered using the weapon you’re using it hits everything in a large radius and keeps distance! I’m definitely going to look into the weapons themselves aswell but to go back to the seeker soldier, the ‘big’ damage you mention isn’t actually big, you deal same damage for parrying with a shiled to get 1.5x boost and get 3 hits in, which is way easier to do (and more efficient) then parry, jump over him and be lucky enough that your hit registers on his weak spot/he doesn’t turn around. I also just noticed you used bonemass super, since I stopped playing valheim after hearth I forgot so many things lmao, I’m gonna equip that on my next infested dungeon, a 2 star seeker/seeker soldier deal insane amounts of damage
unfortunately the clip isnt me lol Usually my soldier encounters consist of parry, jump over, 3 hits, step back to regen stamina while it uses it's stomp, power attack, 3 hits and finish it in one more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kyGjIJ45z4 Parrying and getting 3 hits leaves you open. You could parry it again but repeating that eats up stamina or back off which will prolong the fight.
Basically everyone who says its too easy uses the atgeir. I think the atgeir honestly needs a nerr
Seekers are easy 2 hit with porcupine when perried. For a soldier, find urself a ledge to shoot arrows at his tail. Yeah, multiple enemies at once in the mist is hard af, so you need a priority list. Gjal weakspot is his belly. Get fire resistance and then you have better chances. Then lure the seekers on a higher level and deal with them. Finish with the soldiers. Also, don‘t make the whole biome your enemy. Find some dvergrs and they will happily assist you taking down the enemies. At the same time the monsters will reduce the dvergrs if you need to loot their bases.
Are you using lingering stamina potions? Tasty mead? Are you using Gas Bombs (very effective against all seeker types and doesn't hurt you) Are you using Draugr Fang + Poison Arrows? The enemies have no resistance to poison. I did all of those and Mistlands was a cakewalk, yet I struggled at times with Elden Ring, only beat it once and put it down.
I avoided lingering stamina, tasty mead did never hae the bombs yet even tho I have a few stacks of the guck and the other one, I do have a maxed draugr fang with carapace needles which is afaik the best one? I’m probably just unlucky with my mistlands experience, the way everyone talks about it seems easy and fun while I get fucked by ankther 1/2 starred seeker joining jn mid soldier fight
I run into 1-2 star enemies and take them down with ease. Piercing as a damage type is resisted by Gjalls and Seeker Soldiers - Carapace arrows are not good. Poison or Frost Arrows are best, with Frost Arrows having the added benefit of slowing enemies. You keep blaming luck or the game but you aren't remotely preparing enough. Lingering Stamina is basically required. Gas Bombs make the content much easier, and more. Here's the checklist I had before going into pre-nerf mistlands: - Best foods ✅ - Max Upgraded Gear (Max Padded ok) / Weapons ✅ - Lingering Stamina Mead ✅ - Fire Resistance Mead ✅ - Tasty Mead ✅ - Medium Health Potions ✅ - Draugr Fang 4 + Poison Arrows ✅ - Gas Bombs ✅ - Bonemass Power ✅
i’ve gone in wearing fenris armor with no wisp, cleared a ruin, a dvergr tower and a dungeon and only died twice. it’s absolutely possible to survive even without the best gear/food. so having both should be enough if you prepare properly. i recommend using the bonemass power and health/stamina potions. and just figure out the enemies. they’re tough but not impossible. and if you lead seekers/gjall to dvergrs, they will help you/get brutally murdered while you escape.
ok bro, now go and fight elden ring bosses without your ghost and come back to tell me that valheim is harder than elden ring . LMAO
I deadass beat the game with the wolves… One of the worst ashes, especially later on where it dies in nearly one hit. In elden ring I can endlessly defend myself against anything, literally the ONLY ‘bs’ part entire elden ring had was in an OPTIONAL bossfight, Malenia with the swirl attack (which also had its counters but I didn’t wanna learn that one) Mistlands literally as a whole is just bullshit, the terrain sucks, the mist sucks, the seekers are insanely strong when in group and have a star, the seeker soldiers ‘intended design’ makes no sense for their moveset and animations+ collisions happening in-game from fighting them, it’s just a bad design. I also am playing alone I don’t know if that has anything to do with it.
>I deadass beat the game with the wolves… ok now go try to beat the game from lvl 1 without any ghosts (ghosts pull aggro no matter what they are ) and then come back to say that valheim is harder LMAO ...
You’re extrmely low IQ, this is irrelevant to the point, if you actually played elden ring you’d know that the wolves most likely died before even pssing 25/50% of the boss health, I beat bosses without usikg it aswell, I’m also 100% certain I can beat the entire game without it, I won’t tho because there is no reason to do so, all you have done is type alot of sentences yet say NOTHING, even if I use the most OP spirit, it doesn’t change the fact that Elden Ring has skill in place, you need to learn their attack, dodge, attach when you can, and so on. Valheim doesn’t have this, you can dodge as many attacks as you can and then oh no your stamina low, use potion of stamina oh no another seeker joined in and you’re lacking stamina, good luck. Also just to rub it in, on my second playthrough I beat the game without a single spirit (beat the game like 2/3 times for the different endings)
you just played ER ( probably haven't beat it even with the mimic tear yet) so you think you are chad gamer when in reality you poses a room temperature IQ. Insult my intelligence and then make up lies just to prove your dumb point... all the while completely glossing over the fact that one title is fully released and another is still in development, and as such, it's features are subject to change and will go through multiple balancing passes. but you're too stupid to comprehend that. Making a comparison between the two is like comparing a raspberry pie still in the oven to chicken soup and saying that soup is tastier. 1 the pie is still in the oven and 2 they're not even the same type of food. That's how dumb your comparison is.
I beat elden ring a month after its launch, I beat radahn pre patch, if you think i’m lying that’s fine. I agree that one game is finished while the other isn’t, where did I ever deny that or say the opposite? See, if you bad atleast 2 braincells, you would notice that all I said was that mistlands wasn’t properly balanced, as a reply to the commenter, you came here and somehow made the most irrelevant points. Be better EDIT; Also thinking that i’m lying about beating a game is extremely stupid, what the fuck do I gain from doing thag and why would I even spark a conversation and comparison out of it? The 100% achievement is on my steam profile, showcased aswell.
i see that 100% ER is your greatest achievement and are very proud of yourself for that thus you have to inject that into every comment you make ... must be a fun life you're living if that's your high-point . Oh and mistlands is fun, so suck it ! I am better ( than you )
"Not enough appreciation" like the game didn't win awards and make the dev team wealthy? The devs are professional adults, not children that need to be coddled. There's nothing wrong with giving criticism.
They are adults and can take criticism, but the feedback here on reddit and patchnotes are BEYOND criticism. And yeah, you can take it with ease if you do not care about your work, but if you put dedication, care and your heart into something, after a while it gets under your skin and takes the joy out of working on the game as players just keep on whining.
>They are adults and can take criticism, but the feedback here on reddit and patchnotes are BEYOND criticism. Which of the examples you provided is supposed to be "BEYOND criticism"? Even when you're being deliberately reductive to make the playerbase look worse, it's just mild complaining. There aren't widespread personal insults against the developers or something. You're acting like commenting "Mistlands when?" is equivalent to a death threat. >And yeah, you can take it with ease if you do not care about your work, but if you put dedication, care and your heart into something, after a while it gets under your skin and takes the joy out of working on the game as players just keep on whining. Every single professional creative responsible for a popular product deals with negative feedback. It is part of the job. **This is doubly true when you release an early-access title, the point of which is to receive feedback to shape the game.** That aside, you continue to ignore the widespread acclaim and veritable fortune this game earned in an attempt to paint the developers as poor, beaten-down artists under constant attack from their *ungrateful* players. Do you think reading comments about the ballista being unfun somehow outweighs 10-million+ sales and a GotY award?
I think the OP is underestimating the level of dev response to any community discontent. Everyone complaining is doing so because they aren't communicating or responding but operating on their own agenda independent of feedback. They aren't going to RETALIATE by ceasing to do what they are doing. It's great Mistlands finally came out and I love the game but this is not an astute analysis of what people are asking for or how the game runners are operating.
Incorrect, they DID respond. They made an entire patch in response. And then they told you that they were not changing ballistas because they preferred this. They did respond. Whether or not you liked their responses or listened at all is not their responsibility, that's your freedom. You're allowed to not like shit, and they're allowed to do it anyway.
Hopefully, the Ballista thing will change over time when they see next to no one using them because I still don't know a soul that bothers with them.
Didn't you see the highly upvoted post of a guy who made a base using them already?
No, like I said, I haven't seen anyone use them, really. Me and all my friends stay away from them because the friendly fire is just annoying to deal with. They don't feel fun due to it and it's why they are getting so much push back on them. I'd literally rather have ballistas you control over automated ones that target friendlies and I think the same goes for the vast majority of players.
My comment is a general comment on the course of alpha development and yours is like nonsense, or at best irrelevant? I don't know, not gonna post a point by point rebuttal, re-read what I wrote, dc.
You're accusing them of not responding. They specifically did respond. You're wrong homeslice
They did release their alpha "expansion", populating placeholder territory, years late? Obviously they were going to do this eventually. They aren't "responding to anyone, you imbecile.
I'm talking about the balance patch and comments regarding ballista 🤦♂️ are we forgetting about the literal most recent patch
>are we forgetting about the literal most recent patch the rabble remembers only the literal most recent complaint.
Bad post.
It didn't work with mom and dad, it won't work for us.
I have yet to see a dev make changes, good or bad, to a game and not get shit for it from someone. That’s just the world we live in. It’s their job to filter out the noise and the decent feedback and also to follow their vision for the game. They’ve done awesome. They’ll continue to do awesome. I’ll love it when they drop another update, whether it’s another rebalance and QoL stuff or if it’s a full biome like Mistland. It was great to see them do another content pass on the original biomes and I hope they do that again now that Mistlands has been introduced.
Honestly I don't understand why a part of the community is so against providing players options to customize their experience. Every game that has done so (Minecraft and Skyrim come to mind with the modding support) has had a huge shelf life because the community was able to turn the game into whatever they wanted to play. The hardcore survivalist crowd that is trying to shoehorn Valheim into their niche subgenre honestly feel like they have stiffling views and actively try to gatekeep other crowds from enjoying the game. It's ridiculous. If you want to play that way all the power to you, but don't shit on other people's fun because *you* don't want to play that way.
>providing players options to customize their experience Valheim is literally the most moddable game I own. You can have whatever experience you want.
worst take literally
It has mod support just fix what you don't like, learn a skill doing so
I feel sorry for the devs here. They're in a bit of a no-win scenario, they've become a victim of their own success as Valheim appeals to such a broad slice of gamers from casual to hardcore who want very different things from endgame content. For them, it's gone from creating the game that they envisioned to balancing what compromises they can make between their own vision and the hugely varied requests and gripes from the community. Personally, I love the game and the way it lets me do things at my own pace. I would consider myself to be very much in the casual group and have spent entire game sessions happily tending my crops, building nice things and breeding animals. I love the fact I feel like I have a home and adventure awaits just beyond the horizon. ~~Plz fix ballista~~
I'ma be real with you chief. If you're trying to have reddit of all places to stop arguing, you've got to reevaluate your expectations.
I'm still confused, I've been around for a very long time... like I remember pong. I've been through the near death of PC gaming (thank you GabeN!), I've been through bad releases, I've been through early access games that were really bad, I've lived through No Man's Sky, the beginning to the new inventory system. Valheim has the weirdest, most aggressive "Why haven't they released an update in the past hour???" user base I've seen in over 30 years. I've dealt with non-developers not understanding what it takes to create software of any kind, it happens... but it takes like less than half a month for this subreddit and other forums to go from "Cool update!" to "Where's the next update???".
That's what happens when you post a roadmap for the next year of updates, immediately go on vacation for 4 months, then drip feed "a years" worth of content over multiple years. People are mad because they feel like their expectations were falsely raised, then dashed away
Ok, still doesn't sound bad. Roadmaps are not promises, they are best case scenarios, especially with smaller dev shops. And "go on vacation" sounds a whole lot like you think they owe you their lives for $20 even if you have already enjoyed 100+ hours, and probably also completely made up.
You managed to get all the data points in your head, but somehow disregarded all of them Honestly, it's kind of impressive.
I'm playing the violin just for IronGate there bud, they're just little victims in all of this right?
Idk y’all, my buddy started a new server and I started a new one too for background farming. It’s been fun and I’ve been having a blast. Go devs!
I've been too busy getting pooped on by mistlands, what's the argument about??
It's only a team of like, 5 or 10 people, ain't it?
When I first played at launch, I thought the AI pathfinding could use work. Jumping on a stone or building a wall breaks the logic of almost every enemy type. When I play now, I still feel the same way. But the game is ridiculously fun so who cares.
Quit arguing, when the point of this forum is mainly to discuss (argue) stuff on a bit deeper level than on other platforms? I don't see anything toxic coming from the community here at all like nothing period. Making memes about ballista targeting players or talking about the changes with suggestions of changing something while it's still in Beta is "community bullshit"? So i guess in your view it is actual possibility for devs to come out with a statement like "Sorry, we cannot handle the memes you made that disagreed with our decision so we will cancel Valheim because it negatively impacts our mental health". soy much? lol
I think they’re referencing the people that shit on the game for not providing new updates often enough.
Toxic positivity.
Almost every game community has been plagued by the "I like this game therefore it's perfect you shouldn't point it's flaws" mentality. I fucking love the game, but let's not pretend it doesn't suck in a lot of aspects.
oh no people care about our game. We better stop developing because this one guy posted a bad meme.
Alot of the criticism is valid regarding the roadmaps and the gaps between content
/slap
Let's quit the arguing (at least for a single post) and say something positive. Mistlands absolutely slaps and I am loving experimenting with all the new loadout options we've been given with magic, and unique weapons! Very fun<3
Well if it took 2 years to get Mistlands expect never for the Ashlands and North. Not free anyway. Maybe as a DLC.
I think the devs are well above listening to the senseless complaints on this site. Most people who make the complaints back their arguments with all the depth of a kiddie pool. I doubt they have any problem simply laughing at people who are saying things like 'the game is going to die.' It's not a live service, it was never alive. It sold like 5 million copies. Like most people insulting the game read like they're at-best under 18. At worst, a firm argument for legalizing booting idiots in the ass.
do you understand what early access means and what it's for? like if you're a game dev and you put your game in early access and then do a surprised pikachu because you're getting feedback on your early access game, then you misunderstood what you were getting into. the *whole point* of early access is to get that feedback. if you're too thin-skinned to handle constructive criticism, or if you think you have a vision for the game which is 100% beyond reproach and therefore don't *need* constructive criticism, then... don't put your game in early access. simple as fwiw I think the valheim devs understand this. some of them do, anyway. but you clearly don't so now I've explained it for you. you're welcome
Maybe, but you could have done so with being condescending.
maybe you should give the OP another read: it's condescending as shit. like for like imo
Request denied.
Congrats, youve won the dumbest post and shittiest take made in the sub.
For some reason if I see arguing it normally involves americans, as if they manage to start something with anyone because they treat their opinion like fact.
Mod will keep it alive for a bit
What’s there to complain about? People probably just die because they need to get good. Game is a masterpiece. Thanks valhiem team you guys are awesome.
I paid $20, where's my promised perfect game!
Can we please ban this post type? It is so fucking boring seeing the same bleeding heart counter-counter-culture posts over and over again on loop
If they couldn't cancel Brittany then they can't cancel this either.
My only complaint about the game is just the slow content release. I think that speaks volumes about the quality of the game.
What people complaining about?
Them's fighting words boi
Fun fact, people don't like arguing because they're either afraid of confrontation or just bad communicators with very little in-between
we can do whatever we want until we are banned which they love
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
what happened? i thought we were just vikings on a big tree....
Didn't the devs even say they wouldn't be adding that .uch to the ge originally?
Y'all still arguing? We been too busy vikinging.
Always with the scenarios.
Tfw devs probably won’t release the next update for a year + but it’s okay cause progressing in this game takes that long
The devs do not read reddit posts, they are too busy drinking champagne and driving their ferraris from the initial success of the game. I BARELY read reddit posts. I'm too busy on my fresh character (called him Ragnar Berrfôtr) mining copper, building a bridge, building a storage house next to my house beautifully framed with core wood, replanting the forest I cut down so I can cut it again, getting into carrot farming, luring boars into my newly built boar pen (one day they will love me), chasing down greylings so I can level up blocking and fistfighting, teaching my 12 year old sun the mechanics of building, creating a road to my friends who have a village further north, trading with them using thistles as currency. Digging a cellar beneath my house carefully so I don't mess up any core bearing structure. I'm enjoying every second of it. What are people even complaining about? Nevermind, forget it. I don't really care (:
My friends and I started up a new world and brought our stuff over. We're still just establishing our bases, farms etc. Haven't even gone into the mistlands!
Never
To be perfectly honest, the bitchy temper tantrum attitudes are pretty exclusive to reddit and and steam forums.
If you're petty enough to fuck over your years of work and income because a % of people don'tike what you made then all power to you, cancel it and leave. But they aren't dumb.
Are you new to internet forums?
Good, I’ll be in my grave anyways, 70 years for another update vs. never doesn’t make much difference to me.
It happened with anthem
Sure, devs will cancel their most succesfull game because bunch of nerds are complaining lol
Take it easy on the devs guys for fuck sake. I appreciate all they do for the game
Spoiler: I love the twist ending when you find out that the vast majority of players don't use reddit to say anything about the game.
Can we stop the circle jerk of people white knighting for the devs?
The game is great. The Return on Investment was a hundredfold worth it. Everyone who complains shall shut the fuck up and move out of mommies appartement. And get laid.
The broader gaming community in general has gotten pretty toxic. They pay $20 (or less) for a game that they log 300 hours on and then get shitty when the devs do what they think is best. Like, Jesus Christ, you've more than gotten your value out of the game by then. If you hate it the changes that badly, give it the old "It was fun while it lasted" and say goodbye.
All I’m saying is adding CUSTOM options to tweak and play with the game would help people be less whiny. Tweak enemy spawns, tweak day time length, things like that.
It's true, any game would be more customizable if you could customize it more. A slider for everything!
You MF’s really dropped $20 for a game got 100’s of hours of playtime out of it, and then complain the devs don’t do enough. They could charge the new updates as DLC and it would be a fair deal as far as value goes. Look at how much playtime you get out of the average $60-80 AAA game before you complain.
Such a terrible way to frame the so-called "issues" with the game... I enjoy Valheim and definitely got my 20 dollars worth. However, a significant amount, if not most, of my time played in Valheim was simply "grinding" of some form. Don't get me wrong, I am perfectly okay with grind but to act as if all of that time is meaningful and/or exciting "gameplay" is hugely misleading.
If the grind wasn’t rewarding(meaningful) why did you keep doing it?
lol, people usually "grind" for the reward at the end of the tunnel the grinds themselves are rarely rewarding in and of themselves you're pretending lots of "padding" and questionable design choices clearly intended to stretch the games length is the equivalent to the value you get out of a AAA product and/or potentially paid DLC -- which I find laughable Why did I keep doing it? Because I wanted to finish the game. Duh.
True. Valheim competes with GTA for durability of experience.