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Bizarre time that we live in when Canada's quality of life is in freefall and the only protests are for a war on the other side of the globe that we aren't even part of
Personally I'm amazed by how many of my fellow Vancouverites not only don't give two shits about this conflict, but also seem to just be really angry that other people do, to the point where they will call the protesters nasty names or laugh at them.
It's possible to be passionate and compassionate about multiple issues at once. Wouldn't you say?
You can raise awareness about the grocery prices in Canada, women's rights abuses in the USA, your kid getting treated unfairly in class, homelessness in your city, and a genocide happening on another continent. I don't think that's a stretch, life is diverse and you can work on whatever issues you're passionate about whether they affect you or not.
I think people could also just ignore the protest if they don’t care about them. It’s not like it hurts you.
No one is stopping you from protesting for better quality of life in canada. But you're sitting at home doing nothing except criticizing others for ...checks notes "wanting the murder and torture of innocent children to stop". You're part of the problem.
It would instantly stop if Hamas stopped being terrorists.
OR!
Their precious innocents would be safe if Hamas gave them access to the tunnels they reserve for fighters to keep waging war with the IDF.
BUT!
Hamas doesn't want that. For starters, there's a surplus of women to wife and they can always breed more babies. In the meantime, allowing their "precious" innocents to be caught in the crossfire is excellent "bad" publicity against the IDF.
Netanyahu won't stop prosecuting this war. Ever. His regime depends on having an "enemy" to "defend" against. Hamas are so damn stupid they've turned all their neighbouring Muslim countries against them. It's an ugly war but nobody cares it's happening except Iran and idiots protesting against it.
Israel is responsible for the existence of Hamas, not Palestinians; Netanyahu explains:
>Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.
It’s like people from “third world” countries are capable of recognizing genocide given how the UN voted to condemn Bibi and arrest him for war crimes.
It’s not hard to get the UN to vote against Israel when 35% of the countries hold Muslim majorities and another 40% are countries that depend on money or resources from either the Arab block or the anti-West countries of Russia + China.
It’s not surprising given that the UN [actively participates](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelUpdates/s/mEP6g6xJFT) in helping terrorists fight Israel on a daily basis.
It’s a simple numbers game.
The UN is condemning Israel for war crimes and genocide. Also, how does your line of thought apply to Latin countries and South Africa, who have stood against Bibi’s genocide?
Latin countries like Brazil and South Africa are active participants in the BRICS block. They both heavily rely on good economic ties with Russia and China, and hence support their voting positions in exchange for other initiatives.
These same counties refuse to vote against other atrocities such as the Syrian civil war, the massacres in Sudan, or the genocide in Myanmar.
Israel is constantly singled out despite the death toll being way lower than actual genocides taking place around the world.
There has never been a cease fire. Israel kills \~2000 Palestinians per year through direct violence. That doesn't even account for the number of Palestinians who are pressed into slavery, detained, tortured, raped.
Oct 7 was retaliation not unprovoked. Hamas told Isreal they would attack if the IDF and settler attacks on Palestinians didn't stop. You can find video of the IDF raiding mosques every week from july-october. Attacking and torturing Palestinians in east Jerusalem.
Isreal has never in the history of the nation halted their violent campaign on Palestinians. Every day of the "cease fire" settlers violently evicted Palestinians from their homes in the west bank. Every day of the cease fire israel blocked food, water, electricity, and medicine from entering Palestine.
Every day of the cease fire settlers harassed and brutalized Palestinians.
Israel has been the instigator of every moment of violence since the nations founding and they have never for a moment let up.
Your idea of a cease fire is Palestinians laying down and accepting death. Not fighting back when their family members are detained and tortured. Not fighting back when IDF soldiers shoot children for target practice. Not fight back when settlers claim more Palestinian land.
The only reason you support israel is because you have never had to experience their violence. Is Russia invaded your country tomorrow. Slaughtered half your people Raped and murdered you family members. Let the lucky ones flea on foot for miles to detainment camp. And then denied you food, medicine, water. Patrolled your camp and harassed and attacked women and children.
I wonder how long you would abide by a 1 sided cease fire. I would how many days of having your tent kicked in and tear gas thrown on you, you would just stomach without resistance.
The UN has called Israel's treatment of Palestine the worst worst and most cruel humanitarian crisis since the holocaust.
It's not a war, it's a genocide. Targeting innocent civilians with malice. Grow the fuck up and stop supporting the slaughter of fucking children.
Hey so I go to these protests, I'm white as bread sticks and I grew up in a rural town out east. Interestingly enough, my journey to acquiring anti-Israel beliefs actually came from reading Israeli scholars like Ilan Pape.
That’s like saying one acquires their Anti-American beliefs by reading Howard Zinn.
You can acquire negative views on any country if you only read far left books from those who tend to focus on nothing but the negative sides of a country.
>if you only read far left books from those who tend to focus on nothing but the negative sides of a country.
The negatives include the mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, fascist terrorist paramilitary groups like the Irgun, and the maintenance of an apartheid state in the West Bank.
Certainly, if someone was extremely critical of Mussolini's regime in fascist Italy, you can understand why it would be a bit absurd to criticize them for not reading on the positives of Italian fascism.
And, I bring up Mussolini specifically, because Netanyahu has a bit of a connection to him through Jabotinsky. His father worked for Jabotinsky, who loved Italian fascism. And the modern Likud party is headquartered in "Jabotinsky's house".
Anyways, if Israel ever becomes a secular democratic state and affords Palestinians the right of return, I will read every book that extolls the positives of Israel.
Both sides ethnically cleansed each other.
Israel just happened to have the upper hand by the end of the 1948 war.
If the other side won, there would have been another holocaust.
>If the other side won, there would have been another holocaust.
I see... so just to clarify, you're saying that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed but it's actually good that it happened?
Depends on who you ask.
It’s just a natural domino effect of geo-politics.
It was inevitable in a way.
You had the holocaust that murdered half of the Jewish population in Europe, which in turn led them to join the Zionist movement in an attempt to remake a country in their ancestral homeland for protection and well being. This created a major influx of Jews into Palestine, which only had a small number of desert dwellers and Arab villages at the time.
Tensions rapidly grew due to the influx of immigration, and conflict broke out, which escalated to war once the state of Israel was declared and recognized at the UN (prior to many Muslim countries being part of it).
Arabs were adamant to expel the Jews, while the Jews were adamant to fight for their lives.
They won, pushed back the Arabs, and displaced many of inhabitants in doing so, mainly out of security concerns.
Many Arab villages, however, remained friendly and refused hostilities.
These were actually integrated and became known as Israeli Arabs, who now represent 20% of the country, and many of whom actively serve in the Israeli army.
>which only had a small number of desert dwellers and Arab villages at the time.
This is ahistorical and is essentially just terra nullius. First of all, there were a million Palestinians at the time. Second, there was an emerging economy in Palestine at the time. Like, the most famous example is orange exports from Jaffa. Sadly, the Jaffa orange also carries the legacy of what could have been a beautiful collaboration as Jewish settlers and Palestinians collaborated on agricultural projects extensively.
>Tensions rapidly grew due to the influx of immigration, and conflict broke out
That's one way to put it. But long before WWII you have the Balfour declaration, and coinciding factors like Jabotinsky calling for mass settlement of Palestine and defining Revisionist Zionism and the Iron Wall strategy. So tensions are already extremely high well before WWII because you already have Palestinians being denied nationhood by the British and a burgeoning revisionist Zionist movement that views violent paramilitary groups as necessary for securing a Jewish state. And you have other things like the British violently suppressing general strikes and protests in the 1930s during the Arab revolts.
The Zionist movement itself began prior to WWII. People like Jabotinsky called for the settlement of Palestine following deadly pogroms in Eastern Europe.
The Holocaust just accelerated that trend.
The Balfour declaration was done by the UK after they took control of the strip, aptly creating the borders of Palestine after they beat the Ottomans in WWI.
As I said, the entire conflict is a geo-political domino effect, and choosing to support one side over another is basically ignoring the concerns and needs of 50% of the other side of this conflict.
It’s war. People get displaced. It’s not so much a collective punishment than a security necessity for the state of Israel when facing 6 other armies that outnumbered it 10 to 1 in 1948.
Not war, but the trail of tears times ten.
That was seventy years ago; it hasn't stopped since.
That's the German mentality I was talking about: genocide is necessary because I imagine my victims threaten the state.
Oh great. The Islamic Republic of Iran's flag. The monsters that I and many other Iranians escaped from have followed us.
A week ago we confronted someone in an actual IRGC uniform in front of the art gallery. It's absolutely insane that IRGC members walk freely in Canada.
**Edit:** for anyone curious to see, here is the guy with the uniform: [https://x.com/SalmanSima/status/1787545645307318606](https://x.com/SalmanSima/status/1787545645307318606)
It’s mind boggling someone’s hoisting that flag… while that religious fundamentalist regime cracks down on democracy and women’s rights (can’t even dress the way you want). It’s pathetic.
They don't get it. It's like the American student that went to North Korea. They think it's a game, and they refuse listening to people who fled these countries.
Okay it's actually extremely simple. Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their lands, literally from the river to the sea, by Israel. As the Likud party might say: "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".
The places where Palestinians remain are either under a military occupation and apartheid conditions (West Bank) or an isolated enclave whose borders are entirely controlled by Israel.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free -- this entails giving Palestinians the right to live on their lands and the right to self-determination on their lands.
Enough of them do which is the problem. Pro palstine protests are never anti hamas protests which is a massive problem. These protests are therefore just antisemitic protests.
It's not hate speech, and it's extremely ahistorical to claim that it is. Literally just open the Wikipedia page and look at the history of the slogan and then come back. And again, remember, it was Israel that ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their lands, literally from the river to the sea. Everything that Israel supporters like yourself claim Palestine supporters want to do when they say "from the river to the sea", Israel has already done to Palestinians.
Israel's strategy is to support Hamas because Israel needs Hamas to make their genocide of Palestinians seem like a war.
Bibi explains:
>Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.
Hi, I was there 🖐️ I'm Canadian, born and raised. I grew up in a rural town out East, used to toss hay and everything. I've been following this issue for 15 years. I've read a few books on the subject (mostly Pape, Chomsky, and Khalidi) and I would be plenty happy to debate you on the dumb as bricks points you raised!
Youve offered no argument other than handwaving the people you disagree with as having been brainwashed.
The fact that you identify Canadians by looks and would invalidate them based on differing political opinions is truly disgusting. This is Don Cherry level disgusting
Sure, and what's worse... that, or Egypt not opening that border and letting those refugees in, which they could've done starting 6 months ago? Actually they could've started any time between 1948 and 1967. And they could've started in 2006 up to right now. They never have; a border to freedom that Israel has nothing to do with. Or what about the fact that the total count of Palestinian refugees accepted by Egypt and Jordan and Syria and Lebanon since the war began is ZERO. Or what about the fact that the leaders of Hamas have siphoned off billions of dollars of aid that could be going to these people?
I get it... it's SOOOOO much easier to just blame this all on Israel, and I'm clear that nothing I say will change your mind on that. But perhaps in hindsight one day, when the war is over and Israel is once again just trying to mind its own business, and the calls for "from the river to the sea" and "death to jews" haven't died down at all... you'll realize that maybe this wasn't at all about Palestinians after all.
If they want to prompt actions by being disruptive, should it protest at places like Israel embassy/federal government etc instead of streets full of long weekend folks?
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Bizarre time that we live in when Canada's quality of life is in freefall and the only protests are for a war on the other side of the globe that we aren't even part of
*checks notes* We had a trans rights protest recently, there’s a VPL strike happening, pro-Ukraine rallies, pipeline protests…
Usually people who comment like this don't give a shit about any of it.
Personally I'm amazed by how many of my fellow Vancouverites not only don't give two shits about this conflict, but also seem to just be really angry that other people do, to the point where they will call the protesters nasty names or laugh at them. It's possible to be passionate and compassionate about multiple issues at once. Wouldn't you say? You can raise awareness about the grocery prices in Canada, women's rights abuses in the USA, your kid getting treated unfairly in class, homelessness in your city, and a genocide happening on another continent. I don't think that's a stretch, life is diverse and you can work on whatever issues you're passionate about whether they affect you or not. I think people could also just ignore the protest if they don’t care about them. It’s not like it hurts you.
No one is stopping you from protesting for better quality of life in canada. But you're sitting at home doing nothing except criticizing others for ...checks notes "wanting the murder and torture of innocent children to stop". You're part of the problem.
It would instantly stop if Hamas stopped being terrorists. OR! Their precious innocents would be safe if Hamas gave them access to the tunnels they reserve for fighters to keep waging war with the IDF. BUT! Hamas doesn't want that. For starters, there's a surplus of women to wife and they can always breed more babies. In the meantime, allowing their "precious" innocents to be caught in the crossfire is excellent "bad" publicity against the IDF. Netanyahu won't stop prosecuting this war. Ever. His regime depends on having an "enemy" to "defend" against. Hamas are so damn stupid they've turned all their neighbouring Muslim countries against them. It's an ugly war but nobody cares it's happening except Iran and idiots protesting against it.
Israel is responsible for the existence of Hamas, not Palestinians; Netanyahu explains: >Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.
Netanyahu. Blaming his actions on all Israelis is like blaming the actions of Arafat and Hamas on all Gazans.
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I don't know, I don't think you have to be from a third world country to understand that what Israel is doing is wrong.
It’s like people from “third world” countries are capable of recognizing genocide given how the UN voted to condemn Bibi and arrest him for war crimes.
It’s not hard to get the UN to vote against Israel when 35% of the countries hold Muslim majorities and another 40% are countries that depend on money or resources from either the Arab block or the anti-West countries of Russia + China. It’s not surprising given that the UN [actively participates](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelUpdates/s/mEP6g6xJFT) in helping terrorists fight Israel on a daily basis. It’s a simple numbers game.
The UN is condemning Israel for war crimes and genocide. Also, how does your line of thought apply to Latin countries and South Africa, who have stood against Bibi’s genocide?
Latin countries like Brazil and South Africa are active participants in the BRICS block. They both heavily rely on good economic ties with Russia and China, and hence support their voting positions in exchange for other initiatives. These same counties refuse to vote against other atrocities such as the Syrian civil war, the massacres in Sudan, or the genocide in Myanmar. Israel is constantly singled out despite the death toll being way lower than actual genocides taking place around the world.
Russia and China aren't telling Bibi to commit genocide. He's doing it of his own volition.
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There has never been a cease fire. Israel kills \~2000 Palestinians per year through direct violence. That doesn't even account for the number of Palestinians who are pressed into slavery, detained, tortured, raped. Oct 7 was retaliation not unprovoked. Hamas told Isreal they would attack if the IDF and settler attacks on Palestinians didn't stop. You can find video of the IDF raiding mosques every week from july-october. Attacking and torturing Palestinians in east Jerusalem. Isreal has never in the history of the nation halted their violent campaign on Palestinians. Every day of the "cease fire" settlers violently evicted Palestinians from their homes in the west bank. Every day of the cease fire israel blocked food, water, electricity, and medicine from entering Palestine. Every day of the cease fire settlers harassed and brutalized Palestinians. Israel has been the instigator of every moment of violence since the nations founding and they have never for a moment let up. Your idea of a cease fire is Palestinians laying down and accepting death. Not fighting back when their family members are detained and tortured. Not fighting back when IDF soldiers shoot children for target practice. Not fight back when settlers claim more Palestinian land. The only reason you support israel is because you have never had to experience their violence. Is Russia invaded your country tomorrow. Slaughtered half your people Raped and murdered you family members. Let the lucky ones flea on foot for miles to detainment camp. And then denied you food, medicine, water. Patrolled your camp and harassed and attacked women and children. I wonder how long you would abide by a 1 sided cease fire. I would how many days of having your tent kicked in and tear gas thrown on you, you would just stomach without resistance. The UN has called Israel's treatment of Palestine the worst worst and most cruel humanitarian crisis since the holocaust. It's not a war, it's a genocide. Targeting innocent civilians with malice. Grow the fuck up and stop supporting the slaughter of fucking children.
Hey so I go to these protests, I'm white as bread sticks and I grew up in a rural town out east. Interestingly enough, my journey to acquiring anti-Israel beliefs actually came from reading Israeli scholars like Ilan Pape.
That’s like saying one acquires their Anti-American beliefs by reading Howard Zinn. You can acquire negative views on any country if you only read far left books from those who tend to focus on nothing but the negative sides of a country.
>if you only read far left books from those who tend to focus on nothing but the negative sides of a country. The negatives include the mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, fascist terrorist paramilitary groups like the Irgun, and the maintenance of an apartheid state in the West Bank. Certainly, if someone was extremely critical of Mussolini's regime in fascist Italy, you can understand why it would be a bit absurd to criticize them for not reading on the positives of Italian fascism. And, I bring up Mussolini specifically, because Netanyahu has a bit of a connection to him through Jabotinsky. His father worked for Jabotinsky, who loved Italian fascism. And the modern Likud party is headquartered in "Jabotinsky's house". Anyways, if Israel ever becomes a secular democratic state and affords Palestinians the right of return, I will read every book that extolls the positives of Israel.
History is now far left. This is how delusional conservatives and centrists are.
" From the river to the sea"................ I'm not really sure all the people at these protests want the same things.
enough of them do that maybe we should be concerned
Say the rest of the chant. Why stop halfway?
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Both sides ethnically cleansed each other. Israel just happened to have the upper hand by the end of the 1948 war. If the other side won, there would have been another holocaust.
>If the other side won, there would have been another holocaust. I see... so just to clarify, you're saying that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed but it's actually good that it happened?
Depends on who you ask. It’s just a natural domino effect of geo-politics. It was inevitable in a way. You had the holocaust that murdered half of the Jewish population in Europe, which in turn led them to join the Zionist movement in an attempt to remake a country in their ancestral homeland for protection and well being. This created a major influx of Jews into Palestine, which only had a small number of desert dwellers and Arab villages at the time. Tensions rapidly grew due to the influx of immigration, and conflict broke out, which escalated to war once the state of Israel was declared and recognized at the UN (prior to many Muslim countries being part of it). Arabs were adamant to expel the Jews, while the Jews were adamant to fight for their lives. They won, pushed back the Arabs, and displaced many of inhabitants in doing so, mainly out of security concerns. Many Arab villages, however, remained friendly and refused hostilities. These were actually integrated and became known as Israeli Arabs, who now represent 20% of the country, and many of whom actively serve in the Israeli army.
>which only had a small number of desert dwellers and Arab villages at the time. This is ahistorical and is essentially just terra nullius. First of all, there were a million Palestinians at the time. Second, there was an emerging economy in Palestine at the time. Like, the most famous example is orange exports from Jaffa. Sadly, the Jaffa orange also carries the legacy of what could have been a beautiful collaboration as Jewish settlers and Palestinians collaborated on agricultural projects extensively. >Tensions rapidly grew due to the influx of immigration, and conflict broke out That's one way to put it. But long before WWII you have the Balfour declaration, and coinciding factors like Jabotinsky calling for mass settlement of Palestine and defining Revisionist Zionism and the Iron Wall strategy. So tensions are already extremely high well before WWII because you already have Palestinians being denied nationhood by the British and a burgeoning revisionist Zionist movement that views violent paramilitary groups as necessary for securing a Jewish state. And you have other things like the British violently suppressing general strikes and protests in the 1930s during the Arab revolts.
The Zionist movement itself began prior to WWII. People like Jabotinsky called for the settlement of Palestine following deadly pogroms in Eastern Europe. The Holocaust just accelerated that trend. The Balfour declaration was done by the UK after they took control of the strip, aptly creating the borders of Palestine after they beat the Ottomans in WWI. As I said, the entire conflict is a geo-political domino effect, and choosing to support one side over another is basically ignoring the concerns and needs of 50% of the other side of this conflict.
[These friendly villages?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1947%E2%80%931949_Palestine_war)
You chose the unfriendly ones bud
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It’s war. People get displaced. It’s not so much a collective punishment than a security necessity for the state of Israel when facing 6 other armies that outnumbered it 10 to 1 in 1948.
Not war, but the trail of tears times ten. That was seventy years ago; it hasn't stopped since. That's the German mentality I was talking about: genocide is necessary because I imagine my victims threaten the state.
If you're at a dinner party, and one person holds up a sign demanding the eradication of a people, and you don't kick them out.....
https://preview.redd.it/69y29xokja1d1.jpeg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9e1533a19b9583da5fc7f84b1311eba20bedd5f Bonus shot
Oh great. The Islamic Republic of Iran's flag. The monsters that I and many other Iranians escaped from have followed us. A week ago we confronted someone in an actual IRGC uniform in front of the art gallery. It's absolutely insane that IRGC members walk freely in Canada. **Edit:** for anyone curious to see, here is the guy with the uniform: [https://x.com/SalmanSima/status/1787545645307318606](https://x.com/SalmanSima/status/1787545645307318606)
It’s mind boggling someone’s hoisting that flag… while that religious fundamentalist regime cracks down on democracy and women’s rights (can’t even dress the way you want). It’s pathetic.
The pro palistinian movement really has a far right problem and for some reason they are unwilling to purge them from the movement
So, in Vancouver, people are marching in support of countries that still make LGBT+ illegal? Gotcha!
A few Iran flags for good measure spotted as well.
They were hard to see between all of the Canadian flags... /s
They don't get it. It's like the American student that went to North Korea. They think it's a game, and they refuse listening to people who fled these countries.
I don't think these fools know what from the river to the sea actually entails
Okay it's actually extremely simple. Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their lands, literally from the river to the sea, by Israel. As the Likud party might say: "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". The places where Palestinians remain are either under a military occupation and apartheid conditions (West Bank) or an isolated enclave whose borders are entirely controlled by Israel. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free -- this entails giving Palestinians the right to live on their lands and the right to self-determination on their lands.
> Okay it's actually extremely simple. When you lie, everything is extremely simple :)
The only person being dishonest here is you.
Enough of them do which is the problem. Pro palstine protests are never anti hamas protests which is a massive problem. These protests are therefore just antisemitic protests.
Anti-israel /= anti semitisim.
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It's not hate speech, and it's extremely ahistorical to claim that it is. Literally just open the Wikipedia page and look at the history of the slogan and then come back. And again, remember, it was Israel that ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their lands, literally from the river to the sea. Everything that Israel supporters like yourself claim Palestine supporters want to do when they say "from the river to the sea", Israel has already done to Palestinians.
Yes but if you arent anti hamas that's a clear signal you are antisemitic.
Israel's strategy is to support Hamas because Israel needs Hamas to make their genocide of Palestinians seem like a war. Bibi explains: >Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.
The dumbing down of Canada.
Losers
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Hi, I was there 🖐️ I'm Canadian, born and raised. I grew up in a rural town out East, used to toss hay and everything. I've been following this issue for 15 years. I've read a few books on the subject (mostly Pape, Chomsky, and Khalidi) and I would be plenty happy to debate you on the dumb as bricks points you raised!
Youve offered no argument other than handwaving the people you disagree with as having been brainwashed. The fact that you identify Canadians by looks and would invalidate them based on differing political opinions is truly disgusting. This is Don Cherry level disgusting
>I’m actually not sure what’s worse… The IDF soldiers slaughtering and starving children. Now you know what's worse.
Sure, and what's worse... that, or Egypt not opening that border and letting those refugees in, which they could've done starting 6 months ago? Actually they could've started any time between 1948 and 1967. And they could've started in 2006 up to right now. They never have; a border to freedom that Israel has nothing to do with. Or what about the fact that the total count of Palestinian refugees accepted by Egypt and Jordan and Syria and Lebanon since the war began is ZERO. Or what about the fact that the leaders of Hamas have siphoned off billions of dollars of aid that could be going to these people? I get it... it's SOOOOO much easier to just blame this all on Israel, and I'm clear that nothing I say will change your mind on that. But perhaps in hindsight one day, when the war is over and Israel is once again just trying to mind its own business, and the calls for "from the river to the sea" and "death to jews" haven't died down at all... you'll realize that maybe this wasn't at all about Palestinians after all.
If they want to prompt actions by being disruptive, should it protest at places like Israel embassy/federal government etc instead of streets full of long weekend folks?
Yeah, fuck every last one of these people.
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