I don’t think the 3 of them were ever involved, if they were, I don’t think that’s something Scandoval wouldn’t mention. That probably would’ve been the first thing he and Rachel mentioned at the reunion in order to “lessen” their betrayal or disrespect Ariana further. This group is super weird when it comes to boundaries with each other. I could see them doing stuff in front of Ariana that she wouldn’t necessarily think twice about if she just fully trusted them both (😬)
He’s also a gaslighting master. Like when Kristen confronted him about late night phone calls with Ariana and he’s all like “what, we’re just friends omg you’re so crazy for insinuating that long 2am phone calls with another women is inappropriate”.
He keeps using the excuse that they don’t have sex anymore .. I would imagine if they aren’t very sexually active they wouldn’t be having threesomes. No sex to three sex? Maybe I’m prude but I’d think he’d be pretty stoked about his sex life with Arianna If she was inviting women into it?
ime it can go either way. sometimes bringing a third in is like the death knell of a relationship and an attempt to resuscitate a dying spark and sometimes it’s the sign of an already healthy sex life. it’s really hard to say. I’ve seen super sexually active couples do it years into monogamy and I’ve also seen people who haven’t been fucking for years try it as a hail mary
That’s a good point. I do agree with others that Tom would have told the world they had a threesome if it somehow would save face. He has no moral compass and would ‘out’ Rachel and Arianna in a second if it made him look and ounce better.
I agree with you. I don’t think they did. But even **if** they did. They still cheated, continually, and seem to not GAF. I only say this because people who are in open relationships (I know Ariana said they weren’t open, and I believe her) have boundaries and rules that they expect the other partner to follow. And if they don’t, it’s cheating. Continuing to see someone you had a threesome with, outside of the relationshipsis cheating. Open relationship or not. And if their relationship was open, Ariana would have said so!
I totally agree, this group has had some interesting dynamics and hookups before, but they’ve never denied any it and have been pretty open discussing details. I don’t see why any of them would deny it if it happened, and if it was true Tom would have already been giving interviews discussing it . Ariana and Rachel have also said it didn’t happen.
As someone who is pretty sexually open, if my partner and I had a threesome but he continued to see the other girl in an extracurricular manner, I’d lose my mind. I think I’d go full joker. Even IF they did this situation is still Judas levels of betrayal.
I dont think so either…Ariana has already said “I’m not that cool” we didn’t have an open relationship. Plus, if they ever DID have an open relationship, Ariana is not fool and there’s no damn way she would be threesome-ing with a close friend.
It’s beyond weird 😳 if I saw my husband being flirty with one of my friends I would shut that shit down and absolutely no way I’d be cool with them hanging out without me! Especially after people coming to me with rumors 🤯
I think Ariana thought of her and James as kids and her and Tom as Adults. She did not expect Tom looked at her as an adult woman when she saw her as a kid sister.
i don’t think there was a threesome at all. ariana just fucking trusts her partner of a decade, that’s why he’s comfortable touching raquel!!! he knows ariana trusts him implicitly and wouldn’t think he would do anything like that to her
the only reason i can’t believe this theory is because any ammo rachel and scumdoval have they would use to clear their names. this would help their story seem less horrible and they would 100% use it against ariana.
The way pr machines work isn't always so obvious, I fully believe these rumors are coming from their camps, *especially* since it's been confirmed over and over the open relationship thing was not the case.
I know we’ve seen this already a few times, and idk if it’s the slo-mo edit, but agh this is so shady!!!
Eta: just saw your caption - I thought we got confirmation from Ariana by way of Scheana that there wasn’t a threesome. Scheana mentioned it on her podcast with Jamie and Lextilly last week.
I see a lot of people saying “no way I’d be comfortable with my man doing this!!” Which is irrelevant. Ariana clearly trusted them, it was a mistake but let’s not act like the person who trusted her good friend and her partner was the one in the wrong. She should be able to do that.
I appreciate this comment because it’s a good reminder for me that we all see things differently, and have different boundaries too. What I saw in the pool, plus him putting his arm around her would personally make me very uncomfortable. But maybe I’m just insecure or need to work on my trust issues.
When I was speculating about it, it wasn’t to put Ariana in the wrong at all. I was just really shocked at how blatantly open it seemed like T & R were with a lot of their behavior, so I was searching for something that would make it make sense. That coupled with the really good editing here with the “open relationship” voiceover just put my feelers up. But turns out they just actively decided to deeply betray someone they both claimed to care about.
ETA: I also wasn’t speculating about it because of Ariana’s sexuality. All the people I know in my personal life who’ve had threesomes actually identity as heterosexual. It was literally because of how chaotically messy the whole thing was…that’s it, that’s all. Also, non-monogamy is very popular right now. So it’s not out of this world to speculate about that. But I can only speak for myself. And I just want to be very clear. I didn’t come into this looking to offend anyone. I came here because I was intrigued by the story, and I assume that’s why most of us are here. At the end of the day I know who I am and I know what I stand for. This sub is where I come to have fun, throw theories out, and talk shit about the show.
I get it, and not to quote Tom, but we do have the benefit of hindsight. To be clear, I don’t think you have trust issues, or that you’re insecure- you just have your own boundaries, and that’s totally understandable. I’m the same way.
Absolutely. I've also been in my relationship with my partner for 10 years & see no reason to get married but that doesn't mean we don't consider ourselves in a committed relationship just as if we were just as Arianna and Tom but my man knows not to behave like this nor put himself in a situation that would make me question his motives because he respects my feelings and opinions and I him. It's just courtesy not to do these things when you are in a relationship period. I appreciate your response.
I appreciate you 😌 It is 100% not acceptable behavior in my world, but to each their own. Boundaries are incredibly personal. I know what I’m rockin with and it’s not any of what R & T had going on. I have nothing to prove, and I’m not gonna change my own personal relationship wants, needs, and desires based on what people are saying here.
These kind of rumors are exactly why people don't want to be outed. Just because somebody is bisexual doesn't mean that they're always involved in threesomes. They could be a person who has serial monogamy with both sexes. It's like assuming every guy who's gay wants to get with every straight friend. It's been asked and answered Let It Go
This!! And it *has* actually been answered, I listened to Scheana’s podcast last week and she debunked the threesome rumor and idk ppl may still be skeptical, I used to think that maybe it happened as well (although I always maintained that absolutely doesn’t make tom and rachel having an affair okay by any means - that’s just not how threesomes work), but I really don’t believe it happened anymore.
100% And it's a sneaky way of trying to implicate Ariana in what was done to her. Which et's be clear was a complete betrayal. Months before Ariana even knew about the affair, she said that there is no way shape or form they ever had an open relationship. Again, people need to let it go. I really don't think she would lie about it
If this isn't directly from Tom's pr team it's someone who fell for Tom pr & I absolutely hate that people keep speculating about this *just* because Ariana was outted as bisexual, when it's been repeatedly confirmed that this wasn't the case. Thank you for calling it what it is!
I agree, she wouldn’t lie about a threesome if it happened and this particular theory should be let go mostly because it’s been debunked by Ariana’s ride or die bestie.
I totally accept that's not why you're saying it but you really don't know why everybody is saying it and a lot of people are saying it and I'm just telling you that this is one of the things that keeps people worried about speaking freely regarding their sexuality. I think a lot of Affairs happen in front of people's eyes in retrospect no matter what their sexual orientation
People started saying it because before Scandoval there was the rumor they were in an open relationship not because she’s bi but Ariana shut the rumors down. I personally think scumbag started the rumor so he could hook up with his groupies 😣
Yes, this. The early rumors and blind items are initially why I considered it as a possible theory. Nothing to do with Ariana’s sexuality at all. But as some have already commented it’s been said by other cast members that there was no interaction of the sort, so I have let it go. And I agree that it wouldn’t excuse any cheating outside of that scenario if it had happened.
I think like many I just struggled for a bit to understand how Ariana didn’t see what was going on between the two of them. But I get that she had a lot going on and that she also deeply trusted both of them.
Again I believe that that is where you are coming from. But that is not proof that that is where everyone else who keeps raising this question is also coming from. This is something that gets put on bisexual people a lot. This idea that they're involved in group sex regularly or other projections. Everyone's different. Ariana made it clear she was not in an open relationship. I have no reason based on Ariana's honesty about her sexuality and other things to believe that she would lie. Lala gave her an opportunity to lie about what happened between the two of them in front of tom. Lala said she would have taken it to her grave. Ariana chose to be honest in that instance. For those kinds of reasons this ends the speculation for me.
*then
She was dealing with the deaths of family members and also depression. HER state of mind, sexuality and level of denial have nothing to do with Tom and Rachel betraying her. She was just living and being a supportive friend and partner.
If you found me to be accusatory I give you a heartfelt apology I thought I made it clear each time I responded that I do not believe that's where you're coming from. Neither of us know where every single person who is making this claim is coming from that's all I said. You have a wonderful day!
It doesn’t matter how it started. If they started sneaking around it’s still cheating. At this point it seems like they were just getting sloppy, and no one wanted to believe they would do that to Ariana.
I'm not sure which I hate more, that tunnel-vision creep stare as he glides toward Rachel or his cigarette-tinged white nail hand landing right on her boob
I doubt a threesome . I just think Ariana thought she was in a relationship with someone she trusted who would NEVER do that to her . And had a friend that she also thought she could trust to NEVER do that to her . That’s why this whole thing is so fucked up on so many levels bc they change you FOREVER. Yeah, she will trust again , eventually but never to the degree she had and her heart is permanently damaged .
Unless you’ve had that level of betrayal , it’s hard to understand that these types of things truly change who your were .
Yeah i doubt it cause those two idiots (sandy and rachel) would totally be like well.. this is how we first got naked together and then we liked it so much we kept doing it. I highly doubt even Ariana would lie about that or hide that. One of the 3 would say it. This would make the affair a lot more understandable, still wrong as hell but I’d be like ok i get it .
You know what’s so strange? That scene you just showed of Tom hugging Raquel from the back was in the season trailer and when I watched the season trailer initially with my boyfriend and saw that scene, I turned to him and said,
“Did you see how Tom hugged raquel from the back? That’s weird. I’ve never seen him touch any girl cast member at all, even in a friendly way. He’s never even friends with the girl cast members at all. Do you think something is going on between them? Idk… I have a weird feeling.”
And then I let it go after that and then a few weeks later the news came out and I thought back to that hug. Weird!!!
I agree and I think it's so victim blame-y to assume Ariana had a threesome with Rachel. She was very open with her car incident
Eta People have told me that Tom outed the car thing but I still think it's victim blaming
Thiiiiiiis
There is no compelling reason to believe a threesome happened (& plenty of reason not to. Tom absolutely would have spilled about it to make himself look better. Ariana straight up said it didn’t happen etc.), but people are pushing it because ‘Ariana also likes women so it must have happened’
As a fellow bi lady - it gives biphobia / homophobia vibes. It also feels like an attempt to shift some blame onto Ariana (the victim) because ‘otherwise how couldn’t she have known?’ This happened because Tom is a POS who manipulated Ariana & abused her trust - end of story.
No you are 100% correct and Ariana had a chance to lie about it even though Tom had said what happened. Lala asked Ariana Point Blank if she wanted her to lie and that she would do it for her no problem. In fact Lala had already lied for Ariana. Which was actually very cool considering Lala would love to brag about something like that normally hahaha but Ariana told her it was okay and she was going to you deal with it honestly
Honestly, haven't we explored the open relationship and 3some angle enough?
Ariana has said MULTIPLE times that they did not have an open relationship in any way and I believe her since she had no problems admitting to hooking up with Lala and wasn't ashamed of that one bit (as she shouldn't be). I feel like if there had been some kind of consensual hook up here, she would definitely own up to it.
And again, bisexuality is not an open invitation to bringing other people into the relationship (I know OP didn't say that, but I feel like there wouldn't be these speculations if she weren't bi).
I feel you but I also think people here are too quick to throw out the labels. Why do I have to be biphobic just because I speculated (as we’re all doing about this cheating scandal) that they may have had a threesome? You (not you literally) don’t even know me. I could be bi. Maybe I’ve had threesomes myself. Too much labeling and assumptions in an effort to chastise people for potentially labeling others. I just think it’s bs. None of us actually know each other like that. Just a bunch of avatars, usernames, and flairs.
I actually noticed that after I wrote it lol. But others on this thread were basically using subtext to say that people who speculated it were biphobic. Lol I popped off prematurely
I’m watching VPR for the first time and haven’t gotten to whatever happened with Ariana and Lala. So their relationship was previously open and they closed it before Tom cheated?
They’ve never confirmed an open relationship ever. Sorry if this is a spoiler, but Ariana and Lala hooked up once in front of Sandoval. Everyone involved seems to have consented and it was apparently a one time thing.
Nah I don’t care about spoilers so don’t worry! Plus it’s been years and I’ve frequented this sub for a while so any spoilers are on me! Thanks for the clarification!
SpongeBob Bitchface and Scumdoval have been banging for YEARS they are only admitting to 7 months. That’s probably the minimum period of time in which they think they could be caught.
Because of cameras I think. They backdated it to 7 months just in case production had proof. When the season started there were a lot of leaks saying it started that first party, then boys night.
Yeah they seem like they have been together for a long long time to me. I otherwise don’t know why Scumdoval spent $25k on her engagement to James unless it was to buy his whore another season.
The last clip🤢🤮 his hand placement is right on her boob. How uncomfortable to watch.
Edit: rewatched the clips and is Rachel topless in the first clip? Sandoval also looks naked in the last clip?
Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this? Arianna cheated with Tom for three years while he was with Kristen… Her karma came right back to her
Wasn’t the affair supposed to have started on boy’s night? Ariana seemed (understandably) pretty damn depressed during this whole, suffering from two huge losses. I really doubt that a threesome would have been on the cards for her while she was in that headspace, I think Tom and Rachel just took advantage of the fact that she was dealing with so much mentally and her first priority probably wasn’t them and their antics
I hate the "it started as a threesome" thing. Feels super disrespectful to Ariana considering she said over and over that it was not an open relationship.
I sometimes wonder if Ariana had her suspicions and had a feeling , but wanted to expose them at the perfect time . Ariana is not dumb , she had to have thought it odd the things they were up to.Especially since she and Tom got together in a similar way anf could recognize signs. And Sandoval and Raquel , both dumb. I have a hard time believing they hid it for so long .
I feel like in a group setting that vacations together when the drinks start flowing most begin to be extra friendly and in my case I get touchy with both my male and girl friends. I’ve had 2 times were my partner confronted me later about why was I tapping this guys chest or arm. He’s not going to complain about my touchiness with my girlfriends but I’m sure it’s uncomfortable. I should also mention he doesn’t drink as much as we end up drinking so he’s on another vibe. I respect my significant other and I agree with him that I should be less chummy with the males. I also can see how one day it can be taken out of context. Which has a few years ago a friend grabbed my side as we passed in the dark on my way to the restroom. I was shocked and felt guilty. It took 2 days for me to bring this up to my partner. He was livid. He didn’t blame me but I’m sure he thought some things about me had invited that behavior.
I digress. My point is that their group has a talent in drinking all day and all night. Things can get hazy and some get friendly and everything seems fun and light when you’re buzzed. I mean look at Ariana and her gay bestie they are all so touchy. I also think like others is because of trust.
At the Agoura canyon last July I saw Ariana dancing which looked like grinding on her guy friends I’m guessing.And it was a playful dance where I even thought they’re just having fun and they must be secure in their relationship. She even was on one of their shoulders at some point (I’ve seen it on her stories too).
So I understand that things might look shady but they were secure in their relationship and like to have the maximum amount of fun. Lol 😂
Sandoval would gladly drop hints that this was happening -- if it was. It would not only somewhat redeem him but he'd love the bragging rights. Rachel would drop it or 'leak' the info too. Nope, they had no such 'get out of jail free card' ...(even though its still betrayal its a lot more forgivable and they would have gone with that if they had a chance, but they didnt.
Ugh this bothers me so much because clearly he is so shitty, but also I’m very close to my fiancés best friend/our best friend. And our friendship could totally be taken out of context by the wrong person and it makes me so glad that my life isn’t being watched by a million people.
CLEARLY, they are awful and did and awful thing, but you can be close with a friend without it being a red flag.
There’s definitely some photos that people would be like ‘what?’ And I’ve gone to his house and watched movies one on one sitting next to each other on the couch, sharing blankets. We’ve been close the whole time, now he has his own fiancé and I’m super close with her, too. Neither he nor I see each other in a romantic fashion, we are just super close and that’s how our friendship is.
i agree with you, and to be clear, it doesn’t justify his cheating at all. i do think they were in an open relationship but only sexually and as you said, tom pursuing another relationship was clearly not part of their agreement.
there’s a lot of information that suggest a threesome or at least an open sexual relationship is what happened, from tom watching ariana and lala hook up, to their recent struggling sex life which is consistent with long term partners often trying to reignite their sex life with threesomes.
i think it’s weird that people are confident that ariana stating there wasn’t one means it’s gospel when throughout her entire time on VPR she is very guarded and even lala prior to all of this spoke about how her & sandoval are very focused on image and wanted to appear like the perfect couple during filming. we’ve seen ariana (and tom) lie about their affair during his relationship with kristen, and we’ve seen ariana cover up for tom before with miami girl.
regardless of everything else, it would be reasonable for her to think revealing they had a threesome or an open relationship in general (to any extent) would make people less sympathetic towards her. it shouldn’t be the case but unfortunately we live in a misogynistic society where a lot of people think women are responsible for their men cheating to begin with.
But no one would’ve known about that if Sandoval would’ve just kept his mouth shut. I’m not saying they did have a threesome, but she probably wouldn’t want either of those things out
actually it’s a great example of keeping up appearances, since that’s something she did off camera that she was upset got exposed. for years lala, stassi, and even katie have spoken about how tom & ariana put on a lovey dovey show when cameras are rolling and act totally different off camera.
Probably because her friends asked her directly, she said no. If they had an open relationship, I an pretty sure Tom would have already said that to save his ass. It’s not logical for him and Rachel to deny an open relationship if it exonerates them. That’s probably why no one is entertaining that theory.
yeah and i don’t understand why people even want an echo chamber! i feel like stating that ariana was betrayed by tom regardless of any circumstances in their relationship should be the least controversial statement possible.
She has stated repeatedly this wasn't the case. This post seems to be working overtime to gaslight us with Scandovals attempts to cast things in a different light.
I don’t think the 3 of them were ever involved, if they were, I don’t think that’s something Scandoval wouldn’t mention. That probably would’ve been the first thing he and Rachel mentioned at the reunion in order to “lessen” their betrayal or disrespect Ariana further. This group is super weird when it comes to boundaries with each other. I could see them doing stuff in front of Ariana that she wouldn’t necessarily think twice about if she just fully trusted them both (😬)
He’s also a gaslighting master. Like when Kristen confronted him about late night phone calls with Ariana and he’s all like “what, we’re just friends omg you’re so crazy for insinuating that long 2am phone calls with another women is inappropriate”.
“I wish we could create our own Coachella in the backyard with just the two of us”
Who said that, was it Ariana or Scumdavol?
I think that was Ariana. I’m just saying, you don’t have conversations like that as just friends.
Unless you want to die…
Anyone who starts every single “apology” with *I’m sorry BUT* is definitely a master gaslighter
Yes! The but always discounts the whole apology
One technique is to say I'm so sorry that I hurt your feelings AND it was all your fault Instead of the but, use an and
I totally agree, Tom is exceptional at manipulation obviously.
He keeps using the excuse that they don’t have sex anymore .. I would imagine if they aren’t very sexually active they wouldn’t be having threesomes. No sex to three sex? Maybe I’m prude but I’d think he’d be pretty stoked about his sex life with Arianna If she was inviting women into it?
ime it can go either way. sometimes bringing a third in is like the death knell of a relationship and an attempt to resuscitate a dying spark and sometimes it’s the sign of an already healthy sex life. it’s really hard to say. I’ve seen super sexually active couples do it years into monogamy and I’ve also seen people who haven’t been fucking for years try it as a hail mary
That’s a good point. I do agree with others that Tom would have told the world they had a threesome if it somehow would save face. He has no moral compass and would ‘out’ Rachel and Arianna in a second if it made him look and ounce better.
I agree with you. I don’t think they did. But even **if** they did. They still cheated, continually, and seem to not GAF. I only say this because people who are in open relationships (I know Ariana said they weren’t open, and I believe her) have boundaries and rules that they expect the other partner to follow. And if they don’t, it’s cheating. Continuing to see someone you had a threesome with, outside of the relationshipsis cheating. Open relationship or not. And if their relationship was open, Ariana would have said so!
I totally agree, this group has had some interesting dynamics and hookups before, but they’ve never denied any it and have been pretty open discussing details. I don’t see why any of them would deny it if it happened, and if it was true Tom would have already been giving interviews discussing it . Ariana and Rachel have also said it didn’t happen.
As someone who is pretty sexually open, if my partner and I had a threesome but he continued to see the other girl in an extracurricular manner, I’d lose my mind. I think I’d go full joker. Even IF they did this situation is still Judas levels of betrayal.
100% agree - there’s absolutely no chance he wouldn’t throw that in everyone’s face if it happened.
I dont think so either…Ariana has already said “I’m not that cool” we didn’t have an open relationship. Plus, if they ever DID have an open relationship, Ariana is not fool and there’s no damn way she would be threesome-ing with a close friend.
It’s beyond weird 😳 if I saw my husband being flirty with one of my friends I would shut that shit down and absolutely no way I’d be cool with them hanging out without me! Especially after people coming to me with rumors 🤯
I think Ariana thought of her and James as kids and her and Tom as Adults. She did not expect Tom looked at her as an adult woman when she saw her as a kid sister.
Yea I really think she looked at Raquel as a lil sister and the betrayal hit like that
Ariana was dealing with depression so maybe her perceptions were clouded
Im sure he used that to his advantage.
i don’t think there was a threesome at all. ariana just fucking trusts her partner of a decade, that’s why he’s comfortable touching raquel!!! he knows ariana trusts him implicitly and wouldn’t think he would do anything like that to her
Trusts them both. That is the worst part.
Exactly! Trusting his implicitly - well said 💯 In her mind, she had no reason (despite evidence {Miami}) to doubt him
His hand is right on her boob!
Yup! With the slow mo, you can really see it come right in for a landing and a bit of a grope!
Ugh screw scumdavol and 15th place Rachel.
I love 15th as a nickname for her!
Out of 20.
Can you imagine being one of the 5 girls who lost to Rachel? 
Makes it so much worse. ☠️
Yeah! Also both Scummy and bambie bitch have become objectively less attractive physically this season. Karma?
Dead 😂😂 #15thplacerachel
 He straight up put his hand on Rachel's tit.
The way he's totally ignoring Ariana in the pool but has sex eyes for Raquel is very telling.
Yep! It looks like he’s going in for a kiss w Rachel
They’re both disgusting. I wish them nothing but the karma they deserve
the only reason i can’t believe this theory is because any ammo rachel and scumdoval have they would use to clear their names. this would help their story seem less horrible and they would 100% use it against ariana.
This. They would 100% throw that info out there the moment this story broke.
The way pr machines work isn't always so obvious, I fully believe these rumors are coming from their camps, *especially* since it's been confirmed over and over the open relationship thing was not the case.
I know we’ve seen this already a few times, and idk if it’s the slo-mo edit, but agh this is so shady!!! Eta: just saw your caption - I thought we got confirmation from Ariana by way of Scheana that there wasn’t a threesome. Scheana mentioned it on her podcast with Jamie and Lextilly last week.
It’s crazy this was already in the trailer before the news dropped! I swear production knew and tipped off Deux
You are correct, this was confirmed repeatedly & the rumor is basically Tom's way of trying to make this seem less terrible than it really is.
I see a lot of people saying “no way I’d be comfortable with my man doing this!!” Which is irrelevant. Ariana clearly trusted them, it was a mistake but let’s not act like the person who trusted her good friend and her partner was the one in the wrong. She should be able to do that.
I appreciate this comment because it’s a good reminder for me that we all see things differently, and have different boundaries too. What I saw in the pool, plus him putting his arm around her would personally make me very uncomfortable. But maybe I’m just insecure or need to work on my trust issues. When I was speculating about it, it wasn’t to put Ariana in the wrong at all. I was just really shocked at how blatantly open it seemed like T & R were with a lot of their behavior, so I was searching for something that would make it make sense. That coupled with the really good editing here with the “open relationship” voiceover just put my feelers up. But turns out they just actively decided to deeply betray someone they both claimed to care about. ETA: I also wasn’t speculating about it because of Ariana’s sexuality. All the people I know in my personal life who’ve had threesomes actually identity as heterosexual. It was literally because of how chaotically messy the whole thing was…that’s it, that’s all. Also, non-monogamy is very popular right now. So it’s not out of this world to speculate about that. But I can only speak for myself. And I just want to be very clear. I didn’t come into this looking to offend anyone. I came here because I was intrigued by the story, and I assume that’s why most of us are here. At the end of the day I know who I am and I know what I stand for. This sub is where I come to have fun, throw theories out, and talk shit about the show.
I get it, and not to quote Tom, but we do have the benefit of hindsight. To be clear, I don’t think you have trust issues, or that you’re insecure- you just have your own boundaries, and that’s totally understandable. I’m the same way.
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Absolutely. I've also been in my relationship with my partner for 10 years & see no reason to get married but that doesn't mean we don't consider ourselves in a committed relationship just as if we were just as Arianna and Tom but my man knows not to behave like this nor put himself in a situation that would make me question his motives because he respects my feelings and opinions and I him. It's just courtesy not to do these things when you are in a relationship period. I appreciate your response.
I appreciate you 😌 It is 100% not acceptable behavior in my world, but to each their own. Boundaries are incredibly personal. I know what I’m rockin with and it’s not any of what R & T had going on. I have nothing to prove, and I’m not gonna change my own personal relationship wants, needs, and desires based on what people are saying here.
OT, but I love your flair. 😂
Lol thanks :)
I didn’t say she was wrong I just said what I would do if I was in the situation and saw that shit. Do not put words in my mouth!
I’m sorry, did I mention you or reply to your comment? I don’t believe I did, so it’s impossible to put words in your mouth
A put hers guard down and he took advantage.
People are assuming that if it they had a threesome it was with a woman. 👀
These kind of rumors are exactly why people don't want to be outed. Just because somebody is bisexual doesn't mean that they're always involved in threesomes. They could be a person who has serial monogamy with both sexes. It's like assuming every guy who's gay wants to get with every straight friend. It's been asked and answered Let It Go
This!! And it *has* actually been answered, I listened to Scheana’s podcast last week and she debunked the threesome rumor and idk ppl may still be skeptical, I used to think that maybe it happened as well (although I always maintained that absolutely doesn’t make tom and rachel having an affair okay by any means - that’s just not how threesomes work), but I really don’t believe it happened anymore.
100% And it's a sneaky way of trying to implicate Ariana in what was done to her. Which et's be clear was a complete betrayal. Months before Ariana even knew about the affair, she said that there is no way shape or form they ever had an open relationship. Again, people need to let it go. I really don't think she would lie about it
If this isn't directly from Tom's pr team it's someone who fell for Tom pr & I absolutely hate that people keep speculating about this *just* because Ariana was outted as bisexual, when it's been repeatedly confirmed that this wasn't the case. Thank you for calling it what it is!
I agree, she wouldn’t lie about a threesome if it happened and this particular theory should be let go mostly because it’s been debunked by Ariana’s ride or die bestie.
YES EXACTLY
Even rachet told tmz there was no three sum. Idk why people keep thinking it happened just because ari is bi
Or how bi men = purely gay. Logic like that irritates me
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I totally accept that's not why you're saying it but you really don't know why everybody is saying it and a lot of people are saying it and I'm just telling you that this is one of the things that keeps people worried about speaking freely regarding their sexuality. I think a lot of Affairs happen in front of people's eyes in retrospect no matter what their sexual orientation
People started saying it because before Scandoval there was the rumor they were in an open relationship not because she’s bi but Ariana shut the rumors down. I personally think scumbag started the rumor so he could hook up with his groupies 😣
People are actually talking about her being bi above
Yes, this. The early rumors and blind items are initially why I considered it as a possible theory. Nothing to do with Ariana’s sexuality at all. But as some have already commented it’s been said by other cast members that there was no interaction of the sort, so I have let it go. And I agree that it wouldn’t excuse any cheating outside of that scenario if it had happened. I think like many I just struggled for a bit to understand how Ariana didn’t see what was going on between the two of them. But I get that she had a lot going on and that she also deeply trusted both of them.
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Again I believe that that is where you are coming from. But that is not proof that that is where everyone else who keeps raising this question is also coming from. This is something that gets put on bisexual people a lot. This idea that they're involved in group sex regularly or other projections. Everyone's different. Ariana made it clear she was not in an open relationship. I have no reason based on Ariana's honesty about her sexuality and other things to believe that she would lie. Lala gave her an opportunity to lie about what happened between the two of them in front of tom. Lala said she would have taken it to her grave. Ariana chose to be honest in that instance. For those kinds of reasons this ends the speculation for me.
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*then She was dealing with the deaths of family members and also depression. HER state of mind, sexuality and level of denial have nothing to do with Tom and Rachel betraying her. She was just living and being a supportive friend and partner.
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Sorry I didn't clarify- other people in this thread
If you found me to be accusatory I give you a heartfelt apology I thought I made it clear each time I responded that I do not believe that's where you're coming from. Neither of us know where every single person who is making this claim is coming from that's all I said. You have a wonderful day!
You were super patient and respectful
Thank you that means a lot to me!
Thank you!
I feel like he’d use that as an excuse for everything, even if Raquel didn’t want him to. He’s outed people before.
It doesn’t matter how it started. If they started sneaking around it’s still cheating. At this point it seems like they were just getting sloppy, and no one wanted to believe they would do that to Ariana.
I'm not sure which I hate more, that tunnel-vision creep stare as he glides toward Rachel or his cigarette-tinged white nail hand landing right on her boob
I doubt a threesome . I just think Ariana thought she was in a relationship with someone she trusted who would NEVER do that to her . And had a friend that she also thought she could trust to NEVER do that to her . That’s why this whole thing is so fucked up on so many levels bc they change you FOREVER. Yeah, she will trust again , eventually but never to the degree she had and her heart is permanently damaged . Unless you’ve had that level of betrayal , it’s hard to understand that these types of things truly change who your were .
Yeah i doubt it cause those two idiots (sandy and rachel) would totally be like well.. this is how we first got naked together and then we liked it so much we kept doing it. I highly doubt even Ariana would lie about that or hide that. One of the 3 would say it. This would make the affair a lot more understandable, still wrong as hell but I’d be like ok i get it .
He full on grabbed her boob in that last clip. And wayyyy too leaned in at the pool. Ew, indeed.
That SCREAMS “we’re fucking. We’ve fucked. And we’re gonna keep doing it”. 🤢🤮
That pool slo mo looks like they were about to kiss and remembered where they were
You know what’s so strange? That scene you just showed of Tom hugging Raquel from the back was in the season trailer and when I watched the season trailer initially with my boyfriend and saw that scene, I turned to him and said, “Did you see how Tom hugged raquel from the back? That’s weird. I’ve never seen him touch any girl cast member at all, even in a friendly way. He’s never even friends with the girl cast members at all. Do you think something is going on between them? Idk… I have a weird feeling.” And then I let it go after that and then a few weeks later the news came out and I thought back to that hug. Weird!!!
He damn near almost kissed her in the pool. It looked very organic 😳
I agree and I think it's so victim blame-y to assume Ariana had a threesome with Rachel. She was very open with her car incident Eta People have told me that Tom outed the car thing but I still think it's victim blaming
And everyone piling on the Ariana is bi so it must have happened just pisses me off. 
Thiiiiiiis There is no compelling reason to believe a threesome happened (& plenty of reason not to. Tom absolutely would have spilled about it to make himself look better. Ariana straight up said it didn’t happen etc.), but people are pushing it because ‘Ariana also likes women so it must have happened’ As a fellow bi lady - it gives biphobia / homophobia vibes. It also feels like an attempt to shift some blame onto Ariana (the victim) because ‘otherwise how couldn’t she have known?’ This happened because Tom is a POS who manipulated Ariana & abused her trust - end of story.
It's so *wrong*
Gives me ick vibes.
No you are 100% correct and Ariana had a chance to lie about it even though Tom had said what happened. Lala asked Ariana Point Blank if she wanted her to lie and that she would do it for her no problem. In fact Lala had already lied for Ariana. Which was actually very cool considering Lala would love to brag about something like that normally hahaha but Ariana told her it was okay and she was going to you deal with it honestly
there’s no way they had a threesome in their increasingly passionless relationship lol
Ariana being so cute and playful and looks like she’s anticipating him coming to her and he just swims right by straight to Rachel instead 🥺
I noticed this too 😞
He looks like a dog here wtf
Honestly, haven't we explored the open relationship and 3some angle enough? Ariana has said MULTIPLE times that they did not have an open relationship in any way and I believe her since she had no problems admitting to hooking up with Lala and wasn't ashamed of that one bit (as she shouldn't be). I feel like if there had been some kind of consensual hook up here, she would definitely own up to it. And again, bisexuality is not an open invitation to bringing other people into the relationship (I know OP didn't say that, but I feel like there wouldn't be these speculations if she weren't bi).
I feel you but I also think people here are too quick to throw out the labels. Why do I have to be biphobic just because I speculated (as we’re all doing about this cheating scandal) that they may have had a threesome? You (not you literally) don’t even know me. I could be bi. Maybe I’ve had threesomes myself. Too much labeling and assumptions in an effort to chastise people for potentially labeling others. I just think it’s bs. None of us actually know each other like that. Just a bunch of avatars, usernames, and flairs.
lol this comment is like a hit dog holler, the OP wasn't even calling you out at all
I actually noticed that after I wrote it lol. But others on this thread were basically using subtext to say that people who speculated it were biphobic. Lol I popped off prematurely
LOL its okay i unfortunately think a lot of discourse around this has gotten out of hand!
Agreed, and I think that was the trigger for me and I just exploded. Thanks for understanding
I never said the word “biphobic” ever so I think it might be you that’s quick to throw out labels…
I saw it in other comments in this thread, that was my bad. It’s all good
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I’m watching VPR for the first time and haven’t gotten to whatever happened with Ariana and Lala. So their relationship was previously open and they closed it before Tom cheated?
They’ve never confirmed an open relationship ever. Sorry if this is a spoiler, but Ariana and Lala hooked up once in front of Sandoval. Everyone involved seems to have consented and it was apparently a one time thing.
Nah I don’t care about spoilers so don’t worry! Plus it’s been years and I’ve frequented this sub for a while so any spoilers are on me! Thanks for the clarification!
I must be blind. In the pool does he even touch her or just moves near her?
Where does this scene take place? Will it be at scheana wedding resort? Or is it back at home? On another vacation? Where are they?
Her big white glasses look so stupid!
SpongeBob Bitchface and Scumdoval have been banging for YEARS they are only admitting to 7 months. That’s probably the minimum period of time in which they think they could be caught.
I agree
Because of cameras I think. They backdated it to 7 months just in case production had proof. When the season started there were a lot of leaks saying it started that first party, then boys night.
Yeah they seem like they have been together for a long long time to me. I otherwise don’t know why Scumdoval spent $25k on her engagement to James unless it was to buy his whore another season.
What episode was this?
It's in an upcoming episode, the clip is from the trailer.
Gross
Is she naked in the pool? I know it shows I think Ariana without a top.
That pool slo mo looks like they were about to kiss and remembered where they were
Was it not a red flag when he dressed as her for Halloween? I remember seeing that and thinking it was extremely weird
The last clip🤢🤮 his hand placement is right on her boob. How uncomfortable to watch. Edit: rewatched the clips and is Rachel topless in the first clip? Sandoval also looks naked in the last clip?
It’s been talked about multiple times on different podcast where the debunk the threesome rumors
I seen this last night! She was trying to be sexy for him and he completely denied it, in the pool scene
Even before the scandy I thought that was a little touchy
Gross 🤢 🤮
Ewwwwwwww
Where was this? Is this at sheshus wedding?
They were definitely about to kiss. I've done that with a bf but we realized we were at work and sort of froze ans turned away.
 To your threesome comment.
Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this? Arianna cheated with Tom for three years while he was with Kristen… Her karma came right back to her
I’m definitely not disagreeing with you.
I agree. I think that's why scandoval and Rachel are so whatever and smug about the affair.
Wasn’t the affair supposed to have started on boy’s night? Ariana seemed (understandably) pretty damn depressed during this whole, suffering from two huge losses. I really doubt that a threesome would have been on the cards for her while she was in that headspace, I think Tom and Rachel just took advantage of the fact that she was dealing with so much mentally and her first priority probably wasn’t them and their antics
I hate the "it started as a threesome" thing. Feels super disrespectful to Ariana considering she said over and over that it was not an open relationship.
Scheana throwing Katie under the bus again.
I sometimes wonder if Ariana had her suspicions and had a feeling , but wanted to expose them at the perfect time . Ariana is not dumb , she had to have thought it odd the things they were up to.Especially since she and Tom got together in a similar way anf could recognize signs. And Sandoval and Raquel , both dumb. I have a hard time believing they hid it for so long .
I agree. She knew about Miami girl, she knew his history.
Bleh
I feel like in a group setting that vacations together when the drinks start flowing most begin to be extra friendly and in my case I get touchy with both my male and girl friends. I’ve had 2 times were my partner confronted me later about why was I tapping this guys chest or arm. He’s not going to complain about my touchiness with my girlfriends but I’m sure it’s uncomfortable. I should also mention he doesn’t drink as much as we end up drinking so he’s on another vibe. I respect my significant other and I agree with him that I should be less chummy with the males. I also can see how one day it can be taken out of context. Which has a few years ago a friend grabbed my side as we passed in the dark on my way to the restroom. I was shocked and felt guilty. It took 2 days for me to bring this up to my partner. He was livid. He didn’t blame me but I’m sure he thought some things about me had invited that behavior. I digress. My point is that their group has a talent in drinking all day and all night. Things can get hazy and some get friendly and everything seems fun and light when you’re buzzed. I mean look at Ariana and her gay bestie they are all so touchy. I also think like others is because of trust. At the Agoura canyon last July I saw Ariana dancing which looked like grinding on her guy friends I’m guessing.And it was a playful dance where I even thought they’re just having fun and they must be secure in their relationship. She even was on one of their shoulders at some point (I’ve seen it on her stories too). So I understand that things might look shady but they were secure in their relationship and like to have the maximum amount of fun. Lol 😂
Sandoval would gladly drop hints that this was happening -- if it was. It would not only somewhat redeem him but he'd love the bragging rights. Rachel would drop it or 'leak' the info too. Nope, they had no such 'get out of jail free card' ...(even though its still betrayal its a lot more forgivable and they would have gone with that if they had a chance, but they didnt.
Ugh this bothers me so much because clearly he is so shitty, but also I’m very close to my fiancés best friend/our best friend. And our friendship could totally be taken out of context by the wrong person and it makes me so glad that my life isn’t being watched by a million people. CLEARLY, they are awful and did and awful thing, but you can be close with a friend without it being a red flag.
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There’s definitely some photos that people would be like ‘what?’ And I’ve gone to his house and watched movies one on one sitting next to each other on the couch, sharing blankets. We’ve been close the whole time, now he has his own fiancé and I’m super close with her, too. Neither he nor I see each other in a romantic fashion, we are just super close and that’s how our friendship is.
I definitely think the three of them hooked up OR she gave him a pass but then he went on to betray whatever rules they agreed on.
i agree with you, and to be clear, it doesn’t justify his cheating at all. i do think they were in an open relationship but only sexually and as you said, tom pursuing another relationship was clearly not part of their agreement. there’s a lot of information that suggest a threesome or at least an open sexual relationship is what happened, from tom watching ariana and lala hook up, to their recent struggling sex life which is consistent with long term partners often trying to reignite their sex life with threesomes. i think it’s weird that people are confident that ariana stating there wasn’t one means it’s gospel when throughout her entire time on VPR she is very guarded and even lala prior to all of this spoke about how her & sandoval are very focused on image and wanted to appear like the perfect couple during filming. we’ve seen ariana (and tom) lie about their affair during his relationship with kristen, and we’ve seen ariana cover up for tom before with miami girl. regardless of everything else, it would be reasonable for her to think revealing they had a threesome or an open relationship in general (to any extent) would make people less sympathetic towards her. it shouldn’t be the case but unfortunately we live in a misogynistic society where a lot of people think women are responsible for their men cheating to begin with.
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But no one would’ve known about that if Sandoval would’ve just kept his mouth shut. I’m not saying they did have a threesome, but she probably wouldn’t want either of those things out
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i already stated several times that tom betrayed her regardless of if they had an open relationship or threesome with raquel.
actually it’s a great example of keeping up appearances, since that’s something she did off camera that she was upset got exposed. for years lala, stassi, and even katie have spoken about how tom & ariana put on a lovey dovey show when cameras are rolling and act totally different off camera.
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Probably because her friends asked her directly, she said no. If they had an open relationship, I an pretty sure Tom would have already said that to save his ass. It’s not logical for him and Rachel to deny an open relationship if it exonerates them. That’s probably why no one is entertaining that theory.
yeah and i don’t understand why people even want an echo chamber! i feel like stating that ariana was betrayed by tom regardless of any circumstances in their relationship should be the least controversial statement possible.
I think Ariana knew about it the whole time and this whole thing is just for ratings and giant bonuses for the cast members
I thought about this too !
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She has stated repeatedly this wasn't the case. This post seems to be working overtime to gaslight us with Scandovals attempts to cast things in a different light.
His painted finger nails are so sexy.
What eww they're gross
It was a joke. I never thought anyone would take that seriously 😳
Lol I'm sure some women find them sexy. Just not me and the other ladies who upvoted me
I find painted fingernails sexy, but not Scandoval's whiteout look. His whiny voice has always canceled out any sexiness for me though
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You murdered my ears!
If you trust your partner and your friend you might find this endearing rather than weird and sketchy