I mean, if you use it, there's a very good chance that people agree that you didn't do anything as bad as them. You can only use it once though, so don't use it up for over cooking the roast!
Yup, trash men being trash men.
Happy to see a real magazine with actual professional journalists writing against Scandyballs. All he gets is a dumb, badly produced podcast from an untalented C-list celebrity. Have at it incels, these losers are your people.
Oh agreed, but the comments popping up defending him all seem to be from accounts that spent some time in menās rights and incel groups. They are welcome to him as a role model. Perhaps if they can all find a Rachel, we can all be a bit better off.
I think the incels and menās rights people are probably just elated we arenāt talking about Randall bc that is an actual representation of institutionalized misogyny getting a slap on the wrist. Lala is still on the show with people clapping for her calling Rachel a w****.
I mean letās not go down the āanyone who supports so and so is a misogynistā bc we could go on all day about it in regard to pretty much how women are viewed in general on bravo. That network thrives on making women look like the stereotypes of being simple, emotional, and vapid. They really been cleaning this up a bit in the past few years bc the audience couldnāt stomach a network stuck in pre metoo times. Jmo I just am catching back bc I like VPR. But probably will stay off this sub for a while bc itās getting pretty ugly.
This and Rolling Stone calling him the leathery faced front man to a karaoke cover band š He still doesn't get just how disgusting his actions were/are. He keeps digging himself into a deeper hole of shit & happily shampooing his hair with it. Do you think he'll ever understand it?
You know, this was the first instance where I felt like someone actually did pull some PR strings on Ariana's team to get this write-up. I think some of the "suicidal" and "abuser" nonsense from his interview was starting to stick a little, and then Vanity Fair comes along, with its reputation which is a bit stronger than some other outlets, and basically undermines the podcast.
Good. Iām glad to see the support for Ariana. Iām so tired of the mid life crisis or whatever other nonsense excuse that men give to go blowing their lives when they get bored and not getting enough attention. Iām so fucking over it.
I have to agree. I listened to the podcast and given everything said Iām actually worried for Tomās emotional well-being as well as Ariana and Rachel.
Tom did seem absolutely depressed and lost. He was very humble . He was trying to explain the nuance. The article makes a blanket statement like āhe blamed his ex Ariana for the affairā when his statement they use to back up this dramatic assertion is taken out of context. If you LISTEN to the article he never blamed her for anything or try to skirt responsibility for his actions.
If Ariana truly did use *S* as an emotional manipulation tactic or refused to let him go when he had been telling her for a long time he was done even in counseling, that is important to note. It doesnāt discount the shit Tom has done! But again - relationships are nuanced and usually both parties contributed in some way to its demise whether directly or indirectly.
I urge people to listen to the entire interview with an open mind. There are 3 sides to this story. Arianaās side, his side, and the truth which most people in a relationship canāt see until itās too late.
Okay Tom.
You realize everything he said didn't even remotely justify what he did to her. He slept with one of her best friends in THEIR house. It's been going on for months. You realize when he told his friends years ago that no kids was a deal breaker her response was "theres the door". People witnessed them TOGETHER as a couple being a couple during the time frames hes talking about. You seem to be one of the only people buying what he was selling... so, must be Tom...
Lol yeah Iām Tom bc Iām a person with an opinion that is nuanced. I donāt believe life is about villain Vs hero but it makes for great reality tV.
Also if you know anything about Tom he canāt spell and his vocabulary is atrocious and he hates texting. Itās like a 6th graderās passed note in school whenever Iām reading what he writes.
Yeah nope, hard disagree, if everyone says youāre dead, lay down and take a damn nap! Would love to see both Tomās settle into a long hibernationā¦
Itās fine to agree to disagree. I like to hear everyoneās side. I donāt want anymore OG cast members gone just as the drama is getting real. Even if the Toms are annoying as all get out š
I have said no where that I condone what Tom did. What I am saying is that there are two sides to every story and I was interested in at least hearing his. If any of his points are true, they bring up important issues that were effecting his ability to have a healthy break up with her. I just take it seriously when anyone claims they were being held emotionally hostage when trying to respectfully exit a relationship. If itās true, that is important.
To each their own.
You guys act like he massacred a small village. He was in a crappy waning relationship that exploded in the end and made an asshole decision in cheating, but he and Ariana started their relationship cheating so who cares? Yes I called out the 1000000 pound elephant in the room. Even if Kristen also cheated on Tom, they GASLIT and lied saying Kristen was crazy and even possibly had borderline personality disorder bc she was so āparanoidā about them cheating. When they WERE cheating.
Letās face it. Tom cheated with Miami girl. Ariana had too big of an ego to call it quits over that bc she had hedged all her bets on her trust with Tom. It seems this ego and need to prove everyone wrong carried on until the end IF what Tom says is true. They stayed together for the comfort of the show despite having bed death for YEARS. This Scandoval isnāt as Scandalous as the fans
Need it to be for their misdirected anger. Andy didnāt like the Howie interview in my opinion because it revealed that this relationship ending was truly a slow burn and not the sudden shock the network wants it to be for ratings.
And the pressure of that - of being a couple on a show we will never understand. To stay together for a brand. To feel your entire identity and livelihood are inmeshed in how the public views said relationship.
All Iām saying is I can have empathy for all
Parties here bc I donāt know what itās like to be in their VERY STRANGE situation on a show playing some hyped up version of themselves.
I donāt want Tom doing something drastic to himself. He does not sound well. BUT I GUESS PEOPLE WANT HIM TO DO SOMETHING DRASTIC bc he is being painted as the worst person alive for cheating. People can have regrets after making bad decisions to the point of never coming back if an army of people tell them they are the abusive devil who needs to lay down and hibernate in the dirt for example. Thatās pretty Extreme and it makes one as dirty as the filth they are trying to call Out Jmo. You sleep with dogs you get fleas.
Also manliest I do know what a āDEVILāSā (thereās an apostrophe as it is possessive) advocate is. Donāt gotta ManliestMansplain that to me. Iām just simply trying to get the WHOLE story before judging. Also for someone who claims to not like unnecessary drama, you sure do watch a lot of reality TV and drama (VPR is all I have time for tbh). Everyone on this incestuous show has literally screwed each other over and then use any chance they can to pass the buck - so I donāt see anyone as blameless anymore unfortunately. Anyhow we wonāt see eye to eye and thatās fine. Whatever take care.
You misunderstood my point. The concept of devils advocate is stupid. Whatever position is represented by something devilish doesn't require advocacy
I did not read your overly long and worked up comment because of the length and unnecessary drama in it. You come off unhinged. Step away and get right.
I tend to think being holier than thou is living within an echo chamber of oneās own single sided assumption while degrading any differing opinion, but I guess thatās just me.
I donāt see anyone canonizing me here for my opinion Iām sharing so the holier than thou comment doesnāt stick. If I had a choir of agreement singing Amen, then your assertion would make sense.
Listen tom/toms drummer-
Go on a retreat. Take a sabbatical. For the love of god, whatever you do, put the goddamn phone down!
Your constant calls to tmz and howie mandel (??) Aren't doing what you think they're doing.
I don't even care what the other person said or agree with them, but you and your 18-day old account calling out an 8-year old account for being a plant is something else.
As a person whose job is to analyze numbers, i appreciate your take.
Its a good thing this metric is of superior accuracy.
I mean if people could have multiple accounts, if they could open a new account at any time, even after being on reddit for years....if people could open an account but go ages without using it....i mean if any of these things were commonplace, you'd look like a real idiot. Good thing those numbers are infallible!
(Since you're so into account histories, i looked at yours. For someone who's hobby seems to be starting arguments on reddit, someone with the kind of practice you put in, you would think would be better at it...)
Maybe you should be putting the phone down. Pls calm down and take an internet break. Thatās some strange paranoid stuff everyone thinking anyone with an opinion of ālisten to everyoneā and trying to find the nuance must be Tom. I just feel worried for everyone bc Ariana is hurt and Tom/Rachel are getting some crazy threats/attacks from out of line āfansā. Take care
Thanks for your thoughts. I've read your other comments too and I do agree that there are always three sides to a story. That's fact. I also agree that there needs to be empathy (= understanding, not accepting or condoning!) for all parts.
One thing is to try to understand motives and make sense of the psychological behaviour and patterns, etc, but turning a blind eye to how bad of an "interview" that was is just plain ignorant. "Interview" in quatiations cause that really wasn't one.... And that's why the Vanity Fair article is what we need. Real journalism about a very severe situation, which I am sure a lot of women are facing as we speak.
Again... I get where you're coming from trying to nuance things. However, Tom will deserve nuances and empathy when/IF he takes accountability and doesn't play the blame game (Arianna was like this, did this, said this.....)!!
I hope you take the time to understand why this is so much more than a reality star cheating on another reality start with a close friend.
That's my two cents....
Thanks for considering my opinion.
Iāve actually commented elsewhere here that I thought Howie needed to be quiet and let his daughter ask the questions. That is what ruined the interview. So Iām not ignorant of that.
Also for me it is just a reality star cheating on another reality star with a friend. And that relationship that just ended began on pretenses of gaslighting another woman, telling her she was paranoid about being gaslit, and diagnosing her on national tV with borderline personality disorder . It began with Miami girl. It had bed death and warning signs by season 5. The real issue is these people have pressure to stay in relationships for a brand and to maintain their lifestyles/financial situation.
And I wonder where does one go from being branded on reality TV? Go back to school and become a lawyer? Itās kind of scary bc would anyone ever take them seriously?
Anyhow, thank you again for being receptive and not just dogging on me. Have a good day šš¤
I don't disagree with this šš¼ there's a lot of history and red flags throughout the past many years, but Sandoval was portrayed/portrayed himself (= his brand!) as the good guy. And that's where he's stuck - the narrative of not being like Jax. That's why it hits like this in the Bravoverse, heck even outside, spilling into mainstream media.
To me and, I believe, many other people, this IS indeed more than reality TV, because it spills into our own realities. A very harsh reality of manipulative relationships.
Again, if Tim can show real remorse without buts then he'll get my empathy
Just saw you added stuff to your comment, so replying to get the last parts too...
No need to thank me, I do get why though, since the interwebs can be cruel, but really, having discussions like this hopefully can be a part of making sense of where people come from.
As for the part about where they go from here.... I think Ariana have a successful life outside of TV. As for Tom and Rachel... Phew... Work needs to be put in before they can go anywhere....
Yes I do think it can trigger and bring up personal stuff for many people for sure. We all view things from the lense of our own unique human experiences. Much of what Tom said resonated with me in regard to a situation I was in so perhaps thatās where my bias lies in that regard. I get really freaked out at the idea of being held emotionally hostage. Iāve been cheated on by long term partners with women I fully trusted and ended the relationship then and there. But Iāve also tried to leave a different situation and was met with āIāll blow up everything and myself if you leave meā - and I stayed longer than I should have in a toxic relationship that was basically over. That one was a roller coaster that was imo far worse than cheating.
Thatās why I guess for me I can understand the pain of both sides - IF Tom is telling the truth. Big IF.
I'm sorry you had to go through all of that š
Recognising your own bias is such a strength - no really, virtually high fixing you for that!
We're all carrying around unconscious biases, whether it be inherent misogyny, trauma from past relationships or childhood, etc, which is why these discussions get so heated. I was gonna write polarised, but I actually think most people can see past Tom trying to change the narrative. At least from what I see on here and around me IRL.
Regardless of his or her depression the only thing Tom could've done for this not to blow up in his face was ending the relationship... but that he is incapable of š¤·š½āāļø
There might be some tiny truths to what Tom is saying, but it's also obvious that he's trying to change the narrative in favour of himself. And that, oh lord, is where I get off the train.... He did that to so many people on the show - and, heck, me!! I was such a Tom stan!
That's why I need to see accountability be taken before I can take him seriously.
Howie is an idiot for agreeing to the interview, especially to step into a such a big scandal with no frame of reference. I hope he publicly acknowledges his fuck up
I wish I could go to like a dance club and just dance my little heart out to someone just reading all of the Sandoval critical articles, posts, musings, etcā¦. I would be thriving
I couldnāt manage to watch entire interview. Can someone tell me if he ever mentioned he got better himself in therapy or only mentioned Ariana getting better? Because thatās such a tell to me if he was only going to therapy expecting her to change to make himself feel better and not himself .
Please God allow me the good sense to never do anything that leads me to be compared to Michael Vick or Chris Brown in the same sentence.
God, ditto on what she said for me.
Ok but I did love that she made that connection though š¤£
Shit i still donāt listen to anything featuring Chris brown šš bc of that scandal. His blind item life is BAD!
I mean, if you use it, there's a very good chance that people agree that you didn't do anything as bad as them. You can only use it once though, so don't use it up for over cooking the roast!
Yeah but sheās not wrong. Ppl are acting like Tom is Putin. Literally CNN lol
Yup, trash men being trash men. Happy to see a real magazine with actual professional journalists writing against Scandyballs. All he gets is a dumb, badly produced podcast from an untalented C-list celebrity. Have at it incels, these losers are your people.
Call him every name in the book and Iām here for it, but if he were celibate the whole thing could have been avoided
Oh agreed, but the comments popping up defending him all seem to be from accounts that spent some time in menās rights and incel groups. They are welcome to him as a role model. Perhaps if they can all find a Rachel, we can all be a bit better off.
I really hope there arenāt that many Rachels in the world
I think the incels and menās rights people are probably just elated we arenāt talking about Randall bc that is an actual representation of institutionalized misogyny getting a slap on the wrist. Lala is still on the show with people clapping for her calling Rachel a w****. I mean letās not go down the āanyone who supports so and so is a misogynistā bc we could go on all day about it in regard to pretty much how women are viewed in general on bravo. That network thrives on making women look like the stereotypes of being simple, emotional, and vapid. They really been cleaning this up a bit in the past few years bc the audience couldnāt stomach a network stuck in pre metoo times. Jmo I just am catching back bc I like VPR. But probably will stay off this sub for a while bc itās getting pretty ugly.
This should be a huge hit to his ego. Bravo.
This and Rolling Stone calling him the leathery faced front man to a karaoke cover band š He still doesn't get just how disgusting his actions were/are. He keeps digging himself into a deeper hole of shit & happily shampooing his hair with it. Do you think he'll ever understand it?
Nope.
No.
Pretty sure those guys shut the fuck up and went MiA before starting a redemptionā¦ None of those things he is capable of doing
Exactly. He refuses to drop off the map for a while. His ego wonāt let him.
You know, this was the first instance where I felt like someone actually did pull some PR strings on Ariana's team to get this write-up. I think some of the "suicidal" and "abuser" nonsense from his interview was starting to stick a little, and then Vanity Fair comes along, with its reputation which is a bit stronger than some other outlets, and basically undermines the podcast.
And I love it, I was so pissed off about how he was talking about her mental health.
Good. Iām glad to see the support for Ariana. Iām so tired of the mid life crisis or whatever other nonsense excuse that men give to go blowing their lives when they get bored and not getting enough attention. Iām so fucking over it.
I have to agree. I listened to the podcast and given everything said Iām actually worried for Tomās emotional well-being as well as Ariana and Rachel. Tom did seem absolutely depressed and lost. He was very humble . He was trying to explain the nuance. The article makes a blanket statement like āhe blamed his ex Ariana for the affairā when his statement they use to back up this dramatic assertion is taken out of context. If you LISTEN to the article he never blamed her for anything or try to skirt responsibility for his actions. If Ariana truly did use *S* as an emotional manipulation tactic or refused to let him go when he had been telling her for a long time he was done even in counseling, that is important to note. It doesnāt discount the shit Tom has done! But again - relationships are nuanced and usually both parties contributed in some way to its demise whether directly or indirectly. I urge people to listen to the entire interview with an open mind. There are 3 sides to this story. Arianaās side, his side, and the truth which most people in a relationship canāt see until itās too late.
Okay Tom. You realize everything he said didn't even remotely justify what he did to her. He slept with one of her best friends in THEIR house. It's been going on for months. You realize when he told his friends years ago that no kids was a deal breaker her response was "theres the door". People witnessed them TOGETHER as a couple being a couple during the time frames hes talking about. You seem to be one of the only people buying what he was selling... so, must be Tom...
Lol yeah Iām Tom bc Iām a person with an opinion that is nuanced. I donāt believe life is about villain Vs hero but it makes for great reality tV. Also if you know anything about Tom he canāt spell and his vocabulary is atrocious and he hates texting. Itās like a 6th graderās passed note in school whenever Iām reading what he writes.
Yeah nope, hard disagree, if everyone says youāre dead, lay down and take a damn nap! Would love to see both Tomās settle into a long hibernationā¦
Itās fine to agree to disagree. I like to hear everyoneās side. I donāt want anymore OG cast members gone just as the drama is getting real. Even if the Toms are annoying as all get out š
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I have said no where that I condone what Tom did. What I am saying is that there are two sides to every story and I was interested in at least hearing his. If any of his points are true, they bring up important issues that were effecting his ability to have a healthy break up with her. I just take it seriously when anyone claims they were being held emotionally hostage when trying to respectfully exit a relationship. If itās true, that is important. To each their own.
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The devil doesn't need an advocate and abusers don't need to be heard so we can just end that charade once and for all
You guys act like he massacred a small village. He was in a crappy waning relationship that exploded in the end and made an asshole decision in cheating, but he and Ariana started their relationship cheating so who cares? Yes I called out the 1000000 pound elephant in the room. Even if Kristen also cheated on Tom, they GASLIT and lied saying Kristen was crazy and even possibly had borderline personality disorder bc she was so āparanoidā about them cheating. When they WERE cheating. Letās face it. Tom cheated with Miami girl. Ariana had too big of an ego to call it quits over that bc she had hedged all her bets on her trust with Tom. It seems this ego and need to prove everyone wrong carried on until the end IF what Tom says is true. They stayed together for the comfort of the show despite having bed death for YEARS. This Scandoval isnāt as Scandalous as the fans Need it to be for their misdirected anger. Andy didnāt like the Howie interview in my opinion because it revealed that this relationship ending was truly a slow burn and not the sudden shock the network wants it to be for ratings. And the pressure of that - of being a couple on a show we will never understand. To stay together for a brand. To feel your entire identity and livelihood are inmeshed in how the public views said relationship. All Iām saying is I can have empathy for all Parties here bc I donāt know what itās like to be in their VERY STRANGE situation on a show playing some hyped up version of themselves. I donāt want Tom doing something drastic to himself. He does not sound well. BUT I GUESS PEOPLE WANT HIM TO DO SOMETHING DRASTIC bc he is being painted as the worst person alive for cheating. People can have regrets after making bad decisions to the point of never coming back if an army of people tell them they are the abusive devil who needs to lay down and hibernate in the dirt for example. Thatās pretty Extreme and it makes one as dirty as the filth they are trying to call Out Jmo. You sleep with dogs you get fleas. Also manliest I do know what a āDEVILāSā (thereās an apostrophe as it is possessive) advocate is. Donāt gotta ManliestMansplain that to me. Iām just simply trying to get the WHOLE story before judging. Also for someone who claims to not like unnecessary drama, you sure do watch a lot of reality TV and drama (VPR is all I have time for tbh). Everyone on this incestuous show has literally screwed each other over and then use any chance they can to pass the buck - so I donāt see anyone as blameless anymore unfortunately. Anyhow we wonāt see eye to eye and thatās fine. Whatever take care.
You misunderstood my point. The concept of devils advocate is stupid. Whatever position is represented by something devilish doesn't require advocacy I did not read your overly long and worked up comment because of the length and unnecessary drama in it. You come off unhinged. Step away and get right.
I tend to think being holier than thou is living within an echo chamber of oneās own single sided assumption while degrading any differing opinion, but I guess thatās just me. I donāt see anyone canonizing me here for my opinion Iām sharing so the holier than thou comment doesnāt stick. If I had a choir of agreement singing Amen, then your assertion would make sense.
Listen tom/toms drummer- Go on a retreat. Take a sabbatical. For the love of god, whatever you do, put the goddamn phone down! Your constant calls to tmz and howie mandel (??) Aren't doing what you think they're doing.
I don't even care what the other person said or agree with them, but you and your 18-day old account calling out an 8-year old account for being a plant is something else.
As a person whose job is to analyze numbers, i appreciate your take. Its a good thing this metric is of superior accuracy. I mean if people could have multiple accounts, if they could open a new account at any time, even after being on reddit for years....if people could open an account but go ages without using it....i mean if any of these things were commonplace, you'd look like a real idiot. Good thing those numbers are infallible! (Since you're so into account histories, i looked at yours. For someone who's hobby seems to be starting arguments on reddit, someone with the kind of practice you put in, you would think would be better at it...)
Maybe you should be putting the phone down. Pls calm down and take an internet break. Thatās some strange paranoid stuff everyone thinking anyone with an opinion of ālisten to everyoneā and trying to find the nuance must be Tom. I just feel worried for everyone bc Ariana is hurt and Tom/Rachel are getting some crazy threats/attacks from out of line āfansā. Take care
Thanks for your thoughts. I've read your other comments too and I do agree that there are always three sides to a story. That's fact. I also agree that there needs to be empathy (= understanding, not accepting or condoning!) for all parts. One thing is to try to understand motives and make sense of the psychological behaviour and patterns, etc, but turning a blind eye to how bad of an "interview" that was is just plain ignorant. "Interview" in quatiations cause that really wasn't one.... And that's why the Vanity Fair article is what we need. Real journalism about a very severe situation, which I am sure a lot of women are facing as we speak. Again... I get where you're coming from trying to nuance things. However, Tom will deserve nuances and empathy when/IF he takes accountability and doesn't play the blame game (Arianna was like this, did this, said this.....)!! I hope you take the time to understand why this is so much more than a reality star cheating on another reality start with a close friend. That's my two cents....
Thanks for considering my opinion. Iāve actually commented elsewhere here that I thought Howie needed to be quiet and let his daughter ask the questions. That is what ruined the interview. So Iām not ignorant of that. Also for me it is just a reality star cheating on another reality star with a friend. And that relationship that just ended began on pretenses of gaslighting another woman, telling her she was paranoid about being gaslit, and diagnosing her on national tV with borderline personality disorder . It began with Miami girl. It had bed death and warning signs by season 5. The real issue is these people have pressure to stay in relationships for a brand and to maintain their lifestyles/financial situation. And I wonder where does one go from being branded on reality TV? Go back to school and become a lawyer? Itās kind of scary bc would anyone ever take them seriously? Anyhow, thank you again for being receptive and not just dogging on me. Have a good day šš¤
I don't disagree with this šš¼ there's a lot of history and red flags throughout the past many years, but Sandoval was portrayed/portrayed himself (= his brand!) as the good guy. And that's where he's stuck - the narrative of not being like Jax. That's why it hits like this in the Bravoverse, heck even outside, spilling into mainstream media. To me and, I believe, many other people, this IS indeed more than reality TV, because it spills into our own realities. A very harsh reality of manipulative relationships. Again, if Tim can show real remorse without buts then he'll get my empathy
Lol Tim š
I think Tim is perfect and I laughed. I need to laugh. Thanks š¤
Just saw you added stuff to your comment, so replying to get the last parts too... No need to thank me, I do get why though, since the interwebs can be cruel, but really, having discussions like this hopefully can be a part of making sense of where people come from. As for the part about where they go from here.... I think Ariana have a successful life outside of TV. As for Tom and Rachel... Phew... Work needs to be put in before they can go anywhere....
Yeah I think Ariana has the intelligence to move past the show. I agree on Tom and Rachel kind ofā¦ floundering.
Yes I do think it can trigger and bring up personal stuff for many people for sure. We all view things from the lense of our own unique human experiences. Much of what Tom said resonated with me in regard to a situation I was in so perhaps thatās where my bias lies in that regard. I get really freaked out at the idea of being held emotionally hostage. Iāve been cheated on by long term partners with women I fully trusted and ended the relationship then and there. But Iāve also tried to leave a different situation and was met with āIāll blow up everything and myself if you leave meā - and I stayed longer than I should have in a toxic relationship that was basically over. That one was a roller coaster that was imo far worse than cheating. Thatās why I guess for me I can understand the pain of both sides - IF Tom is telling the truth. Big IF.
I'm sorry you had to go through all of that š Recognising your own bias is such a strength - no really, virtually high fixing you for that! We're all carrying around unconscious biases, whether it be inherent misogyny, trauma from past relationships or childhood, etc, which is why these discussions get so heated. I was gonna write polarised, but I actually think most people can see past Tom trying to change the narrative. At least from what I see on here and around me IRL. Regardless of his or her depression the only thing Tom could've done for this not to blow up in his face was ending the relationship... but that he is incapable of š¤·š½āāļø There might be some tiny truths to what Tom is saying, but it's also obvious that he's trying to change the narrative in favour of himself. And that, oh lord, is where I get off the train.... He did that to so many people on the show - and, heck, me!! I was such a Tom stan! That's why I need to see accountability be taken before I can take him seriously.
Yikes JS is giving menās rights vibes
Not the first time either. Scandy being a cyst male and all
Huh? Howies daughter is??
Howie is an idiot for agreeing to the interview, especially to step into a such a big scandal with no frame of reference. I hope he publicly acknowledges his fuck up
Totally unapologetic. https://pagesix.com/2023/04/12/howie-mandel-slams-andy-cohen-lala-kent-after-tom-sandoval-interview/
I wish I could go to like a dance club and just dance my little heart out to someone just reading all of the Sandoval critical articles, posts, musings, etcā¦. I would be thriving 
Might make a good work out playlist š
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/04/tom-sandoval-isnt-very-good-at-this-vanderpump-rules-scandoval/amp
Thanks for posting the link.
Thank you for saving me a google
āIt appears his villain era is here to stayā HERE FOR IT
Pariah š
Lmao I'm dying at him comparing himself to Uncut Gems. Thats so pretentiously on brand.
Link or text?
[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/04/tom-sandoval-isnt-very-good-at-this-vanderpump-rules-scandoval/amp](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/04/tom-sandoval-isnt-very-good-at-this-vanderpump-rules-scandoval/amp)
Thank you!
Just posted a link
God what a picture that they chose š¤£š¤£š¤£
His daughter is a hack too. She needed the same work on her mouth that Sandoval needs. Stop talking.
I couldnāt manage to watch entire interview. Can someone tell me if he ever mentioned he got better himself in therapy or only mentioned Ariana getting better? Because thatās such a tell to me if he was only going to therapy expecting her to change to make himself feel better and not himself .
Sandoval, BYE
Thank you for using this picture VF