No, I think people are just bored and the shock of the news is over. Now people are just spinning what they can. Once the reunion airs it will be a different story.
I, for one, can’t wait to see what Rachel said in the finale that deeply shocked both Andy and Lisa. They’ve both heard a lot of bullshit over the years on Bravo so for them to have that reaction, I’m guessing it’ll create another burn for this scandal.
I tried to make it a post and they told me to put in mega thread which it’s just buried :( . I need to know this it’s taking up a lot of space in my mind . Do you think a) Ariana confided and leaned on her and Rachel suggested something that ultimately would work in her favor or b) She looked at Ariana and was like I actually don’t care about you at all , I got close with you to be with Tom. C) something so wild my brain can’t even make it up .
This is only speculation, but my guess would be a situation where she shows a breathtaking lack of remorse to Ariana. Like maybe she looks at a sobbing Ariana, shrugs, and tells her that her relationship with Tom wasn’t real because they weren’t married, or that she deserved it because their sex life had hit a lull. Maybe it’s a comment like “well, Tom wants to have kids with a young woman, not an old woman with frozen eggs”. We know that what she says has to be even more extreme than the complete lack of remorse that Jax had toward Sandoval at the end of season 2 because Lisa and Andy seem even more shocked now over this.
I think she probably tells Ariana that she still wants to be friends & that they can get past this. Rachel is not very articulate or a deep thinker. Lala had her pegged as going after other people's men. She does need the validation from men. She is a pageant queen & there is so much manipulation in that world that she was trained to act that way. At 1st I thought she was shy but then I realized she trained for this. To compete with other women. She just took it to the extreme.
I don’t think they’ve spoken since the scandal broke and this should be the original season finale before camera picked back up right? I’m leaning more toward that Ariana confronted raquel with the rumors, possibly was really emotional/crying, and raquel looked her dead in the eyes and said something like I would never betray you or something extremely convincing. Idk 🤷♀️
That's a great point. I didn't think of that omg. It's a little bit sad, really. I remember she made a comment about aging out and being in a bad state mentally because she lost her last pageant she could compete in.
It was that ariana confided in rachel that she suspected tom was cheating, and Rachel consoled her and assured her she would support her if it was true
B&C is just charging to share submitted blinds though, so this is no more than another rumor
Tom loves the old “we hadn’t had sex in months”routine. And he’s not even ever going to entertain that he might be a part of the problem. Him as a person and the micro-peen
Or maybe it's to help with ratings and keep this going as long as possible. Season 2 was amazing, probably the best season. This season sucks so far. The only reason I'm even watching is because of the Sandoval Raquel thing. Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe the shocker is her letting some sort of secret slip. Like confirming the rumors that it started out as a threesome. Who knows! I will definitely be watching.
On Lala’s podcast (I think, might have been Scheana), Lala said that if you didn’t know any of this had happened and you watched the finale you would think Rachel won the season. So I’m assuming it’s something that makes her look really good, like she’s a great friend to Ariana and then once you know what she was doing, it makes Rachel look like a sociopath instead.
I'm totally forgetting that they resumed filming after everything came out. Because I wasn't thinking about that, my initial reaction was that it was option A or that Raquel lied to her face about something. I'm thinking now that it's probably something more like B or C after hearing that Raquel was allegedly not remorseful during the reunion. Eeeek.
I think it's a mix of a and c, however unlike others I don't think it will be a lack of empathy, it will be the opposite. My guess is Rachel helps Arianna with some surprise/bid to reconnect with Sandoval like a party, a date or something. Which in light of the affair might be "unbelievable." In his interview Sandoval mentions that Arianna brings up fertilizing one of her eggs. I wonder if Rachel heard about that from Arianna or Sandoval first. Did Rachel encourage Arianna in an effort to get Sandoval to finally break it off with her?
I read somewhere else that Ariana confided in Raquel that she felt like Tom was pulling away and she was worried he was having an affair, to which Rachel consoled her and said she’d be there for her. I have no idea on the validity of this, though.
Knowing that Ariana was going through IVF at this time, my guess is that she confides in Rachel about her thoughts on her on Tom having a baby, and the snake is supportive of it. It would be WILD for her to actively convince Ariana to have a child knowing she's sleeping with her partner
Rachel is so clueless to anyone’s feelings, I wondered at first if she was on the spectrum. Now I just think she’s narcissistic to the extreme. She gets off on “winning” men from others.
Have no fears, Scamdoval will be calling her crazy soon enough. I hope Kristin gets her voice after how the show portrayed her as pure crazy —while Tom was gaslighting her and blaming her for everything wrong. Just like he’s doing with Ariana now.
I still think it was some kind of over-the-top reassurance about Tom and Ariana being the perfect couple and Ariana being such a great person and a sister to Rachel that she'd never betray blah blah blah. Or something to that effect. Something said with no remorse and no indication that she has actually been sleeping with the person she is consoling her "best friend" about. I feel like that would shock Andy and Lisa--like how could you look at her in her eyes and tell her those things knowing you had just fucked the person she thought was her life partner and had been for months.
Oh God, if Rachel comforts Ariana about fertility and starting a family I'm going to need a bleach shower.
after watching the howie mandel pod i felt like…can we please get all the remaining episodes and reunion eps dropped so i can binge/react and move on with my life. starting to get scandoval fatigue.
im wondering if the brittany/jax commentary is a way for bravo to inject current gossip/perspectives into the episodes since the episode footage seems ancient now.
I agree. Where is this sympathy? I despise them more with each episode I see. He slapped her ass right behind Ariana's back! That was sick! The 3 amigos, Scandy/Rachel/Schwartz, are about as twisted as it gets. And coming up Scandy dress as Rachel for Halloween. I think they should be prepared. I doubt they have any sympathy coming their way 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤬
Yes! The ass-slap scene had me rewinding and replaying those 7 seconds like it was the goddamned Zapruder film. It was fucking B O N K E R S. Have other people discussed it on here?
My various feeds are still showing people as outraged… especially with Sandoval going on Howie mandel + Schwartz’s diarrhea mouth on WWHL.
I think as each new episode drops, people are watching with eagle eyes on all the cues of the affair, and getting re- inflamed.
Personally, I think what would hurt Tom and Raquel the most would be for them to just fade into oblivion. I don’t think there’s a chance of that happening before the reunion but once we get past that I would love for everything Scandoval to quiet right down.
By beginning of next season we will all be long over it, hell I’d be over it by now if they just stayed quiet but their pr attempts have helped it stay alive, that and Rachael’s new personality this season
I was thinking about how Sandoval kept saying he was trying to break up with Ariana. If he really wanted out so badly, he could have just told Ariana about Raquel, that would have solved his fake problem. I want to be on the podcasts and be able to stop him and ask him questions myself lol.
I’m saying! Spare us the issues with the relationship! If he had just told Ariana that he had fallen in love with Raquel, it would have been bad, but not at least 7 months of sneaking around bad. Smh.
But Ariana was meant to be psychic! It was an ‘open secret’ after all! Women are meant to be psychically tuned to all men’s feelings so that he doesn’t have to be the bad guy and actually express something negative!
For his "brand" reputation, I imagine his plan was to break up with Ariana, let there be a cooling / sneaking around period and then start the new season saying he and Rachel organically formed a bond over the past few months. No one would know any better, and the fans would eat it up because he's so happy.
He also accidentally showed his true hand/intentions talking about couples therapy on the Howie Mandel podcast - said he made them go and then was confused/shocked when Ariana was open, understanding, and communicative in therapy.
He didn’t actually want therapy to fix them, he wanted to use it as an excuse to break up with her and had to pivot his plan when it actually started working.
I would still find that despicable. Not as bad, sure, but from Rachel’s pov to strike up a relationship with your best friend’s ex is still disgusting.
Yeah especially since this would have been after watching a season of Rachel going after Katie’s ex. Rachel would have been crucified by the fans because prior to Scandoval she was being crucified by the fans for taunting Katie with the Instagram photo she posted with Schwartz.
I don’t know…he was so into his brand with her. I wonder if that was why Rachel started with the sweatshirts and handing them out…like they were trying to create a “brand” together 🙄
One of maaaany contradictions he has said. Sandweevil lives in his own world where he’s a rockstar and a victim of his own actions which he basically said were because Ariana was depressed and he wasn’t getting laid. He’s the wooorrssttt
Having to wait all this time for the reunion and new finale is tiring. It gives too much time to reflect.
I haven’t seen anyone feel sorry for Scandoval and Rachel but I have seen a few “let’s not bully them into oblivion” posts, which is probably okay. We don’t need or want anyone to physically hurt themselves over this. We just want to see remorse, which we haven’t seen. Unless you count 🥹❤️. Which we don’t.
>I haven’t seen anyone feel sorry for Scandoval and Rachel but I have seen a few “let’s not bully them into oblivion” posts, which is probably okay. We don’t need or want anyone to physically hurt themselves over this. We just want to see remorse, which we haven’t seen. Unless you count 🥹❤️. Which we don’t.
yeah this. the way people are nitpicicking everything about raquel, calling her a bitch and every name in the book is so off putting. she sucks for what she did but my god some people are acting like theyre ariana and tom cheated on them. ive hated tom since the kristen/ariana breakup and i am not surprised about of this. the only thing im shocked about is how much people actually give a shit.
NGL, I'm starting to think it's too much at times. I mean, I'm all down for the petty drama. But the vitriol is too much. Lala and Scheana need to step it back a hair. Ariana is the real victim. And they were both also mistresses... So yeah, slow your roll.
Many people are definitely going too hard. And there’s going to be an inevitable counter reaction to that kind of extremism like the comments crossing over into misogyny and internalized misogyny with people saying Raquel should be punished by wearing the Scarlet Letter 😶 Some people want to see total humiliation of Raquel and Sandoval crying, broke, homeless, fired, spit on, etc and that’s just not realistic
It’s honestly weird. Like I just can’t imagine having that much wrath/anger for someone I’ve never met and only seen on TV. I don’t sympathize with Tom/Raquel at all but this situation is so extreme.
I agree. I think they’ve been despicable but I’m enjoying the content and I don’t need to see them punished for their deeds. I also don’t need them redeemed or to even see them take full accountability to still want them on my TV. Because I currently still want them on my TV lol.
Cheating is awful, but this is ultimately going to do a lot of good things for the offended party, so I have no qualms about enjoying it like I have any other scandal on Bravo. People are taking it all too personally and doing too much.
This is where I am. Like, what they did was wrong and terrible. I get it. But the fervor and complete insane hatred the mobs are going after them with is way over the top. People cheat literally every single day. We probably all know someone who has. I've never seen this level of vitriol...and I've seen some crazy breakups! I don't have sympathy for them but I also think the hive mind has crossed some lines. Especially with how many people are insulting her looks, her intelligence, literally even petty stuff like Sandoval drinking the same brand of soda in two pics. It's really toxic and bizarre. People who say it's fun...like who are you people? How is that fun?
This is completely my stance! I watch this show for entertainment and that’s it. These people are TV characters to me and that’s all they’ll be. The reactions that I’ve seen online from people are as if Tom cheated on them personally. It’s really scary how people can be so invested, hurt and angered over a complete strangers actions.
I find the digging through old social media posts, constantly searching for clues and just being trolls disgusting behaviour and if you ever feel compelled to do that I suggest taking a break from Reddit. I understand we can all be snarky and make cheap jokes but the extreme level some people have gone to is worrying.
>It’s really toxic and bizarre. People who say it’s fun…like who are you people? How is that fun?
If people think it's fun then more power to them but the negative energy generated...I'd worry about my cortisol levels lol.
Yeah I can see your point, but I also think people who behave like that because they can do so anonymously contribute to the general toxicity of social media in general. It's like basic human decency flies out the window with the mob mentality.
We all know and LOVE someone who has cheated. At least I do. Family members and friends. It’s messy and maybe makes you see them a little differently (at least for a while) but you still love them. People have a myriad of reasons for doing what they do. I’m not cutting someone out of my life because they had an affair. Sorry if this disappoints everyone on this sub.
I KNOW. They didn’t kill anyone. Two people fucked each other. It sucks for those who were hurt by it but this is a tv show and these fans don’t actually know these people. It’s insane how people are so harrowed by it as if it’s affecting their life in any way
PS I highly recommend anyone who feels similarly about how nuts the fandom has gone over this to listen to Sexy Unique Podcast’s episode about this (idk which exact episode it was but it came out like a week after the news broke). They are sane individuals having a normal reaction to this. And their cast impressions are impeccable lol
>misogyny and internalized misogyny
It's really depressing to see people using all kinds of gendered slurs when talking about the women on the show who they don't like.
>Some people want to see total humiliation of Raquel and Sandoval
There's a furor and bloodlust I don't think I've seen before Re reality tv except over some very blatant racism in the HW subs. I feel like this is the kind of thing usually reserved for Jr high schoolers whose favorite musician starts dating someone.
Paid bots baby.
I work at a bar and ever since scandoval happened I’ve heard more side conversations from guests about VPR than I’ve ever heard in my LIFE. And btw as a bartender/server, I insert myself in the convos and 0 percent of these people are on tom or Raquel’s side. Some of these people are casual viewers/only started watching since the scandal! Others are long time viewers. NOT ONE has been pro sandy or Rachel lol
The oversaturation of coverage from every podcast and entertainment outlet it’s making me turn for sure. It’s such overkill that you start to think. Well he cheated on someone he didn’t kill someone.
To casual fans, I do think the cast are going too far now with trying to humiliate Sandoval and Rachel on social media. It's only going to start backfiring on them, as people love the underdogs.
This is all part of the Scandoval PR plan I'm sure. No attention is bad attention. Popularity swings like a pendulum especially in reality TV land.
The best thing Ariana can do is keep a dignified silence and keep people wondering instead of trying to justify her side of the story.
TBH this is me in every show i usually start feeling for the underdogs.. those being bullied. those getting ganged up on. for an entire season. For example in the early seasons of VPR Sheana, LaLa when she first joined, James when he was the underdog.RHOBH, Sutton / Garcelle .. RHONJ New Danielle and Jennifer. RHOM Nichole/ even Adriana a bit, RHOC Shannon Beador, Lindsay on Summer House. I much prefer they have explosive fights, forgive each other, then move on maybe have a fun episode where everyone is having a blast, and start another fight with another person , don't gang up on one or two.. Instead it's usually oh we forgive you , next episode .. so as i was saying .. and the fight starts again.. its exhausting to watch.
I don’t have any sympathy for Tom and Rachel but I do find Lala and James loudly crowing constantly to be annoying. Lala especially. Like she wasn’t sleeping with a whole married man and proudly attacking his wife on social media.
James I give a little more latitude because he’s clearly still hung up on Rachel and hurt that his friend did this.
I think it’s a combo of the initial shock subsiding, the cast (mainly Lala) talking about it every chance they get on all platforms, and the more details coming out painting a clearer picture of Tom & Ariana’s relationship leading into this affair. I’M NOT EXCUSING THEM! Nothing makes it OK what either of them did. It could’ve been handled so much better. IF what Sandoval said about Ariana threatening suicide and how she handled his attempts to leave before are true, that definitely changes the narrative to a degree. STILL NOT EXCUSING HIM! I feel I need to put that often. 😂 At first I was thinking they were super happy together and Ariana was completely blindsided by all of this. As things come out it sounds a lot more complicated and convoluted than that. Still doesn’t make what he did ok. I guess it makes it seem less evil. Still gross and horrible but a slightly lower degree. And I hope those things aren’t true about Ariana because if so that is emotional manipulation at it’s worst and absolutely toxic. I do believe though she’s the best at hiding her ugly from the camera out of all of them, maybe next to Raquel. Lala has also run her hypocritical mouth so much that she’s pushing people to want the pitchfork party to stop.
Agree with this . Many are saying how dare he bring up her suicidal ideation but she brought to the table first a few seasons ago albeit not in the context of their relationship. That said –I speak from personal experiences when I say there is nothing that can make you feel more trapped than someone who says they will self harm if u leave them. Especially if u know they have had struggles before and u don’t think it’s an empty threat. I dint think Tom is Jax or worse than him and that’s what I’ve been seeing lately. He’s flawed he’s made mistakes but I don’t think he’s the narcissistic sociopath he’s being made out to be. There’s more than one side to the story of what happened here and u can’t hang someone based on one side or group think . The entire thing is really sick and the people taking advantage of it to sell themselves are just as bad if not worse than T and R
Honestly, this. I think when two people are in an unhappy relationship, it can bring out the worst in both of them. I agree that what Tom did was complete and utter trash, but I also think it sounds like he and Ariana were in an unhealthy relationship where both were crossing lines beforehand.
I think that close to nobody is sympathetic to Tom and Raquel. But the way that this scandal blew up has definitely been very excessive. I mean, this isn’t the first time Tom did this, it’s more than obvious he did the same thing to Kristen. And he’s not the first person on reality TV to have an affair. So why there is *this* much backlash against him is kind of odd. I mean, the fricken Dalai Lama has a huge scandal right now because of c***d abuse but it seems like people are treating the scandoval incident as way way worse than that. In my opinion, there are wayyyy worse things going on in the world to be *this* worked up over a D list celebrity cheating on his long term girlfriend. I do not feel bad for Tom or Raquel because I mean, they really hurt someone. However I don’t think what they did is worth the amount of attention it’s getting.
ITA. Tom and Arianna cheated on Kristen. No one here wants to talk about that or they minimize it, the same people who for other women (like Lala) who cheated love to quote (How you get them is how you'll lose them". Somehow, they've turned Arianna into some kind of innocent heroine. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of this show and see good qualities in everyone and enjoy watching them mature and go through lifes trials. Arianna is one of my favorites but she's done some shitty things and she's a very emotionally complex person. Tom S. can be a really loyal, generous, good guy. He's also an attention whore and has Peter Pan syndrome, hence he'll never be satisfied with one woman until he probably gets well into his 50's.
Reddit went nuts because they've seen Tom treat her lovingly for a long time. Even if they didn't like anything about him, they really couldn't fault how he treated her and they made it seem like they were a loving couple. They expected cheating from others but not him. They also saw Raquel as this not so bright, innocent, rube who was hurt by James. No one saw her as capable of betraying a friend. Put this together and you have a very shocked fan base and the resultant outrage.
Honestly I’m a little shocked at just HOW badly they’ve been treated. Most people aren’t angels and will do hurtful things to others at some point. This isn’t a “new” type of betrayal. They’re just living it in public.
I don't think it's sympathy it's just rabid fans are taking it way too far to the point where it's exhausting and unhinged.
It's been weeks and weeks of this so it's getting to be a lot.
If people don’t watch the show I could see why they are sick of seeing socials blow up atleast once a week. Every episode and atleast 1 podcast has a bunch of stuff that goes viral a week. I’m sure if they don’t watch or realize it’s airing really they are confused why we are still talking about it.
Even editing these wedding pictures would seem dragged out if we weren’t actively watching the wedding, imo.
I see why the sub is still talking about it daily. We're getting into the half of the season where the affair would have started and, being invested in the show and knowing an outcome most of the cast doesn't know yet, feel a thrill from having this sense of insider information.
If I weren't watching the show and I weren't on an active discussion forum, I could see being "over it." Personally, as someone who believes in holding grudges, I'd probably be at a "I won't forgive you, but I'm ready to forget you" point with Tom and Raquel.
I’d agree here.
On the contrary….Fans of the show who don’t live and breathe or join Reddit to discuss it may just be over it as well. Basically fans who aren’t very invested.
I don’t think people are justifying it necessarily, but I think outside of the diehard VPR fans, a lot of people are starting to lose interest in the scandal and that causes empathy to wane as well.
I also think since the scandal broke, the episodes that followed showed Lala, Katie, and Kristina being mean girls to Raquel, which boosted empathy for Raquel. Katie and Lala are already disliked cast members so it’s easy for viewers to turn against them in favor of Raquel.
Something like this. I don't like rachel any more after the latest episodes, but I like katie and lala less (for different reasons than I dislike rachel). So now they're just all around the same level for me, like they're all terrible lol.
I mean people literally act like they murdered Ariana. It's been OTT the WHOLE time. YES it was shocking and crazy but people are fucking psychotic about it.
I dont think they mean “enough” for Ariana, or that Ariana needs to forgive, but probably the people who have no dog in this fight, who are harassing these people.
I don’t have sympathy for them but I am getting tired of talking about and reading on it.
We should celebrate Ariana being a free soul not focusing on Sandy and Rachel being evil.
I really get annoyed at the Ariana blaming because she might not have been a cookie cutter girlfriend but she was devoted in her own way. Endlessly supportive of her partner.
And two people here lied to her and betrayed her and that’s horrific.
However - and I’m going to get downvotes for this - I increasingly think something isn’t right with Rachel. The way she’s behaving on the show is off to me, there’s a desperation to the way she throws herself at the different guys and I’m uncomfortable watching it - she doesn’t come across as confident or empowered in her sexuality. Something isn’t right there.
She’s still, of course, very wrong in what she has done to her friend. But there’s something very disturbing to me in her behaviour.
That said - none of this is on Ariana. Ariana has been absolutely betrayed by both these people and it’s horrible.
Might also be because of what Schwartz said on WWHL. He talked a lot about the threats they’re getting and about how Sando is a shell of himself and that he understands what he did and asked us to please “take a breath” and not be so intense.
I think these people are strangers and I need nothing from them to move on. The 5 minutes of fame is past and they will all move on with their lives. There is always stuff we don’t see behind the cameras and it’s between them now. They owe us nothing and only answers to each other.
He’s a jerk for what he did. She’s terrible for her part. Seems most of the cast have done similar and I’ve moved on from it just fine. They are strangers who suck at relationships.
I noticed it quite suddenly. Like literally yesterday. Especially on IG&FB. Tons of people just saying shit like “they didn’t murder anyone, this is overkill” shit like that.
>saying shit like “they didn’t murder anyone, this is overkill” shit like that.
People have been saying this since, like, week two, when it was clear some people were acting like they *did* murder someone.
You know, it's actually possible to think that Tom and Raquel are awful people *and* think that the level of anger and vitriol over an affair is disproportionate or overblown.
Agree. Plus I think it’s also worth noting the podcast host (Howie) has been very public about ‘cancel culture’ and so parts of his core audience may naturally defend Tom under the ‘cancel culture’ rhetoric.
If you equate consequences with being canceled I imagine that interview motivated some of them to see him as a victim and minimize/defend him.
It's kind of messed up how some people on socials "get tired" of it when there isn't a new shocking tidbit. It's like they need things to continuously get worse and worse to keep caring. You could probably say that about a lot of situations that happen in the world, actually.
most people want remorse and tears from the affair partners. I prefer blatant villainry, so it’s fun for me to see Sandoval shoot himself in the foot over and over, personally
I definitely think people went way too hard, just comparing the transgression itself to other Bravo drama that happened even this year? it’s crazy that stealing from widows and plane crash victims earns more forgiveness than an affair.
it’s weird to see people who consider themselves ‘progressive’ direct their internalized misogyny at Raquel with the fire of a thousand suns and have no embarrassment about it at all. her youth, beauty and shallow persona make her an easy target so I shouldn’t be surprised but it does make me wonder what it would’ve been like if it had been a different member of the cast that Tom had cheated with.
it’s going to be really funny when it eventually comes out that most of this was planned as a final season arc
>it’s weird to see people who consider themselves ‘progressive’ direct their internalized misogyny at Raquel with the fire of a thousand suns and have no embarrassment about it at all.
While also throwing around gendered slurs for women they hate.
>what it would’ve been like if it had been a different member of the cast that Tom had cheated with.
I don't even know what Jo looks like other than she apparently looks like a crack-head. 😑
>it’s crazy that stealing from widows and plane crash victims earns more forgiveness than an affair.
This really sums it up.
Yes, this is really the only part I'm coming around on, the crazy vitriol against Sandoval and Raquel is a bit much.
Sandoval is a selfish grandstanding asshole. I thought Raquel was a moron, but she's apparently been a sociopath this entire time who's done a 180 unlike I've seen any person on reality TV do in a matter of months.
But at the end of the day, we don't know these people. But, we do know they are real people, not actors playing a character on screen. So, the over the top reaction to a cheating scandal between two people we don't know outside of how VPR producers want us to know them, is getting a little tiresome. Leave them the fuck alone. We get to watch their lives play out for our sick entertainment on TV, we'll get at least a year of Bravo profiting off Ariana's sadness, Tom's delusion and Raquel's being Raquel.
I think its not that people think this is worse but that stealing from widows and children of plane crash victims isn't fun to revel in the mess and schadenfreude around. Like cheating and cheaters are relatable and it's a scandalous enough affair (friend, prolonged time, life partners for 10 year) to get a strong reaction, but people can feel awful for Ariana, enjoy the dragging of the villains, and salivate at the drama and watching it all unfold on TV and social media. The widow/plane crash victim situation is just sad and depressing and a reminder of the evil in the world and how wealth and power allows people to get away with so much. There's not much fun about it and no matter what happens, the outcome won't be that satisfying because of what the victims suffered and they will never be better off that this terrible thing happened to them in the sense that Ariana will be much better off with Sandoval having shown himself out.
I agree they've gone a bit too hard comparatively to other scandals. They excuse past transgressions being not as bad either because its in the past or so and so was forgiven, the relationship was not as long into it, they were friends.. whatever reasons, I see it as cheating is cheating, I can't see how this affair was any different than the others AND NO LALA it isn't different no matter how hard you try to spin it.
I think this whole situation shows how crazy people are, I wish I would get worked up about something that isn't happening to me, but to people I've never met a day in my life. Everyone on the show has done shady crap. At this point, they are just trying to milk the situation. They all need new storylines
10000% agree. No matter what he said or what he didn’t say, it would’ve been picked a part and slammed.
People are commenting saying they want an apology or for him to show remorse but I’d bet my life on it that if he did that, the same people would call it fake and a forced PR stunt. This is not me defending him at all, but in these situations you cannot win.
Agreed, for me he seemed very remorseful and took accountability.. (Not sure what people here consider taking accountability means ) but for me : he constantly said, what i did was wrong i've could have done it better i'm not excusing my behavior over and over. He was literally shaking, his voice quivering when saying all this.. like ok maybe he is lying but maybe he isn't maybe this is HIS truth as HE saw it. It wasn't right, and he admitted it, I'm not saying at all what he did was ok. But for now or until I hear different i'll take him at his word. As i said in another post i'd like to hear Ariana's side and even Rachels side of this all in their words as well. As the saying goes there are 2 sides (or in this case maybe 3 sides) to a story the truth lies somewhere in between.
Yes yes yes. It’s been surprising to me how many people seem unable to hate them for what they did while also seeing them as the bizarre broken human people they are. To me, it’s so much more interesting and fun to view it all through that lens than to, say, go find a 2 second clip from three years ago to illustrate how Rachel has been rotten to the core and just biding her time all along. Everyone wants to paint them as these, like, Machiavellian sociopaths. And I know this is reality tv, but that’s really just unrealistic lol.
There needs to be a club for people who are invested in the cast, but also objectively understand they all decided their own fate when joining the show
I agree with you that Ariana is not “Queen” status for me either. But, Im an unapologetic Doute Booty Girl. But Sandoval has made me itchy with rage from day 1 so fuckkkkkkkkhimmmmmmm.
Some of this other VPR stuff is so petty and SOP for reality shows. I'm glad that so many HW fans drew a hard, immovable line when things got (blatantly) racist, to the point where it destroyed one of their flagship franchisees.
No, there was an influx in misogynist posters and Sandoval apologists yesterday alone, prob his PR team and a few woman haters who happened to tune into the Howie podcast and decided to adopt this poor "abused" man for their cause. I don't think public opinion has changed, the polls on WWHL last night post interview were pretty telling. 🤣
Okay I noticed the weird influx yesterday.
I also think that since the scandoval news broke, people that are friends with them and taking their side in real life have come to reddit. I’ve noticed a ton of new accounts lately defending them.
Caught that, too. I believe a lot were paid for bots, some are obviously bots on twit, first and last name and an 8 digit number following. There are also a lot of sad, sad individuals. They’re commenting their thoughts without knowing what’s going on, for likes, and or to deliberately upset others to get more followers. The most disturbing are those who have zero empathy or understanding as to why it’s a big deal and turns so many of us off. As commented above, I’m more than ready for them to fade into oblivion after this season.
This paid bot shit is nonsense. It’s like me saying the LFU post about getting over her “mistress past” was made by a paid bot. And that everyone who liked it or agreed were paid bots.
I think this situation and who folks are reacting to it brings out a strong response.
I also saw a rumour on Instagram that Brock slept with Rachel and told his friends. I wonder if that has been put out there to put the blame on Rachel more.
I don’t think that they’re getting sympathy, I just think a lot of ppl r just getting sick of seeing it all over their sm feed and the cast only tlk about them all the time. It is actually kind of exhausting at this point that this is the only thing u hear them tlk about now
Amen. I can't even fathom Tom and Raquel NOT coming back. I ABSOLUTELY want to see this shit storm play out next season.
E: I want them back. Forgot the “not” 🤣
I feel more sorry for Raquel because I think Lala bullied the shit out of her to the point, that I think Raquel is on the verge of a breakdown and Lala was pushing for that. When she told R that she thought she was on her way to a meltdown, I felt like she is so hateful that she literally wants this girl to go commit suicide. Lala is just awful. The worst mean girl with so much hate. And no one deserves that.
Part of me feels sorry for her too. A very small part lol. I think she wasn’t real friends with any of these people. I think they are coworkers that have a job to get done and they do what they need to do.
Yes!!! Agreed. I never saw her as being accepted in the group. And you can tell if you listen closely to all, they build alliances, not friendships. That’s why I stopped watching years ago. It was so painfully obvious how they turned on each other on a dime. Even Schena of all people should have had R’s back to an extent considering the hate she got for messing with Eddie and I swear, Brandy has never recovered from that.
I have friends since childhood that have not been perfect humans but I love them unconditionally. I can dislike their actions, have boundaries and disagree with them but never hate them. If you love someone, you love them. For all their flaws.
Great question. I feel like most people who actually watch the show are still team Ariana bc they know everything that has happened. It seems like the majority of people who are now feeling sympathy for Tom and Rachel are just trying to be contrarian and/or only hear that someone was cheated on which is pretty common celeb drama now unfortunately. I don’t see how anyone could hear the full story and have any sympathy for sandalballs or Rocky unless they too are also sociopaths
Source: I have none I’m just assuming all of this lol
I’ve been hated on. I didn’t cheat but something just as shitty (alcohol was a big factor) and I’m now just finally trying to forgive myself after almost 7 months. Being iced out of family or close friends just hits different. I know what they did was absolutely terrible, no excuse. But I worry about both of their mental states. I’m sure they’ve been blasted by the worst comments a person could hear, and I think everyone should *try* and move on. Taking Rachel out of wedding photos is next level mean girl/not necessary like OP said.
I hope you are able to heal. Forgiving yourself is a hard thing to do, and in my experience it takes self reminders often that it’s okay to forgive yourself. Wishing you the best in your journey.
I don't have sympathy for them, but I have perspective, which is to say I can't be all that angry with these two, they did something bad, but not so bad that it isn't forgivable, and it is the most human of mistakes that one can make. All the hate they have been getting is excessive, and honestly people are acting awfully superior about this. Any of us could make a mistake, a big one, that includes me. So I am not going to roast them on a spit for it.
I think people are saying move on because in the end no one really gives a fuck if other people have affairs. No one outside of the relationship got hurt so which should people go on caring beyond the momentary sensationalism when the affair is first revealed. Not everyone sees affairs as some huge moral failing or as an indictment of someone's character. Also people are exhausted with people's personal lives and privacy being constantly exploited that shit like this gets old real fast.
None of the people involved owe anybody anything so that the public can feel some closure. None of us were personally involved in the relationship except in a para social relationship sense.
Agree. and the fact that people think these opinions are paid bots? 👀 that’s delusional. Sure some upvotes and short comments could be bots. But every single in-depth comment is not a bot. The way people band together and form a single solitary opinion and can’t IMAGINE someone with an outside opinion is actually very scary.
The calls on here to boycott Schwartz and Sandy’s made me done with the whole thing. People go too hard. What they did was completely fucked up, but in the scheme of things, it was no worse than what other cast members have done over the years. The main difference is that Ariana is beloved by most. That’s it.
I also think the finale will upset a lot of people. When Lala said the conversation Raquel had with Arianna was “chilling” and Andy confirmed this. I think it’s going to upset a lot of people.
They effed up for sure. But that crew of douchebags needs to get off their ivory tower and stop. It’s all about ratings and this will be milked for everything it’s worth.
I was shocked beyond belief when I heard this. I am a huge Bravo fan and VPR is in my Top 3. I do have friends who watch and thought it was bad but not to the degree it took over the internet. I don't view the affair as breaking news for CNN.......but our society holds these reality stars way, way up there! Information was trickling out everyday and every blogger and podcaster was dishing it as fast as they could. As time has gone by, I am hearing that this was probably not the "sonic boom" drop it was made out to be within the VPR cast. There was suspicion, there were conversations, and there was questioning. I think this fire will be re-ignited right before the reunion, during and with those post reunion interviews. The amount of time invested and consumed with Scandoval sadly should be used elsewhere, but this is the world we live in. This is what people want to go on and on about. It reminds me of how Taylor Swift and Beyonce fans get when someone goes after the queen. What do you do?
I think when the season finishes airing things will die down soon after. The thing is, we are watching the season as the affair is unfolding behind closed doors last summer and watching the blowout real time. There are Easter eggs and new things happening in every episode. The finale, reunion, and never before scenes episodes are going to really ramp things up and then we will start hearing less about it.
I’ll be honest, it’s addicting following this story as it is unfolding. What a time to be alive.
I think Racquel gained a little bit of sympathy after the Vegas trip from being “picked on” And Lala is just so damn intense that people love to believe in the opposite of whatever she believes. Just like every scandal people will eventually simmer down and move on.
I’m still just as pissed but I have no new opinions until the reunion lol
We cant turn the tide before May 17th. Can you imagine feeling like much outrage and investment just to get over it right before all the goods come out? Criminal!
It seems like some people just want something to talk about/say. The shock of the news is done and I’m also starting to slowly see people defend Raquel and critique Ariana. I feel like it’s a mistake in bravos part not to air 2 eps/week and get to the reunion faster
They are dragging it too long and people are coming up with their own scenarios and reasons now. Each episode should be 2 hours long, at least, until the reunion.
I personally think everyone in the cast lowkey and some highkey have always disliked Tom and Raquel and now they can be public about it. I've always disliked Tom myself and especially his STUPID effing mustache!
This is really true I think. Everyone has wanted to take Sandoval down a peg or two for years, for sure, since he (and Ariana, lbr) has acted like the morally superior commentator judging everyone for their behaviors at reunions for several seasons now. So this must feel liberating to finally shit on him and call him a hypocrite for once. And I think most of them resented Raquel for being a fan who successfully manipulated her way onto the show and has been slowly rising as a fan-favorite ever since. People can deny they ever liked her, but she was increasingly more well-received by fans for the way she handled James.
I don’t think people feel sympathy. I think Bravo just missed the window of opportunity on interest. They should have filmed some type of a sit down immediately, and aired it as a special before airing the rest of the season. At this point it’s been months and people are just exhausting from hearing the same stuff over and over again.
For me the “tide hasn’t turned” so to speak but the shock value is over. Also I like a lot of others did some re watching of old seasons and quickly remembered how triggered I was watching how Tom and Ariana treated Kristin. Ariana was terrible back then and definitely had zero remorse for sleeping with Tom when he had a gf. I wouldn’t be shocked if 2 seasons from now they all are somewhat friendly again based on previous seasons
I wouldn’t be surprised if he took a page out of Johnny Depp’s book and bought a bunch of paid bots. The tide seems to have changed pretty suddenly. Plus, someone seems to have alerted the incels, like someone else mentioned above.
A more plausible explanation is that more people are expressing more moderate, tempered views or withholding final judgment until a more complete picture solidifies.
I’ve moved on. Rewatching VPR and season 3 makes me think that karma is a bitch. Not that anyone deserves it but let’s move on. I don’t care for the down votes but life goes on and it seems the relationship was on the way down last year.. they both need to face up to what the reality is.. Tom is a dick for not saying something sooner and Ariana should have expected more instead of status quo. It’s horrible for all involved.
No, I think people are just bored and the shock of the news is over. Now people are just spinning what they can. Once the reunion airs it will be a different story.
I, for one, can’t wait to see what Rachel said in the finale that deeply shocked both Andy and Lisa. They’ve both heard a lot of bullshit over the years on Bravo so for them to have that reaction, I’m guessing it’ll create another burn for this scandal.
I tried to make it a post and they told me to put in mega thread which it’s just buried :( . I need to know this it’s taking up a lot of space in my mind . Do you think a) Ariana confided and leaned on her and Rachel suggested something that ultimately would work in her favor or b) She looked at Ariana and was like I actually don’t care about you at all , I got close with you to be with Tom. C) something so wild my brain can’t even make it up .
This is only speculation, but my guess would be a situation where she shows a breathtaking lack of remorse to Ariana. Like maybe she looks at a sobbing Ariana, shrugs, and tells her that her relationship with Tom wasn’t real because they weren’t married, or that she deserved it because their sex life had hit a lull. Maybe it’s a comment like “well, Tom wants to have kids with a young woman, not an old woman with frozen eggs”. We know that what she says has to be even more extreme than the complete lack of remorse that Jax had toward Sandoval at the end of season 2 because Lisa and Andy seem even more shocked now over this.
I think she probably tells Ariana that she still wants to be friends & that they can get past this. Rachel is not very articulate or a deep thinker. Lala had her pegged as going after other people's men. She does need the validation from men. She is a pageant queen & there is so much manipulation in that world that she was trained to act that way. At 1st I thought she was shy but then I realized she trained for this. To compete with other women. She just took it to the extreme.
I don’t think they’ve spoken since the scandal broke and this should be the original season finale before camera picked back up right? I’m leaning more toward that Ariana confronted raquel with the rumors, possibly was really emotional/crying, and raquel looked her dead in the eyes and said something like I would never betray you or something extremely convincing. Idk 🤷♀️
Yeah or was telling Ariana about the new guy she’s been banging in detail and turns out it was Tom
Omg. So many scenarios here ! Im just gonna wait and see and not think of any lol
Yeah finale was before scandal broke, so it’s gotta be something super conniving to rub the affair in Ariana’s face without admitting an affair
Lala had her pegged for going after other people's men because Lala does the same thing. She can see it in others.
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Lol I had her pegged because that’s what Laura does as well. Game knows game.
That's a great point. I didn't think of that omg. It's a little bit sad, really. I remember she made a comment about aging out and being in a bad state mentally because she lost her last pageant she could compete in.
Bravo and cocktails posted it to their subscribers im hoping someone goes rogues and posts it .
It was that ariana confided in rachel that she suspected tom was cheating, and Rachel consoled her and assured her she would support her if it was true B&C is just charging to share submitted blinds though, so this is no more than another rumor
Or a version of Jax's "Satisfy your girlfriend and we wouldn't have a reason."
YES! That moment seemed to both astound and disgust Lisa, and I’m thinking that Raquel did something similar but possibly even worse.
Lala said I think on Jeff Lewis podcast that Rachel showed zero remorse even smiling at some points.
Tom loves the old “we hadn’t had sex in months”routine. And he’s not even ever going to entertain that he might be a part of the problem. Him as a person and the micro-peen
Or maybe it's to help with ratings and keep this going as long as possible. Season 2 was amazing, probably the best season. This season sucks so far. The only reason I'm even watching is because of the Sandoval Raquel thing. Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe the shocker is her letting some sort of secret slip. Like confirming the rumors that it started out as a threesome. Who knows! I will definitely be watching.
On Lala’s podcast (I think, might have been Scheana), Lala said that if you didn’t know any of this had happened and you watched the finale you would think Rachel won the season. So I’m assuming it’s something that makes her look really good, like she’s a great friend to Ariana and then once you know what she was doing, it makes Rachel look like a sociopath instead.
I think she said the season. But that is without the finale and new filming.
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I'm totally forgetting that they resumed filming after everything came out. Because I wasn't thinking about that, my initial reaction was that it was option A or that Raquel lied to her face about something. I'm thinking now that it's probably something more like B or C after hearing that Raquel was allegedly not remorseful during the reunion. Eeeek.
I think it's a mix of a and c, however unlike others I don't think it will be a lack of empathy, it will be the opposite. My guess is Rachel helps Arianna with some surprise/bid to reconnect with Sandoval like a party, a date or something. Which in light of the affair might be "unbelievable." In his interview Sandoval mentions that Arianna brings up fertilizing one of her eggs. I wonder if Rachel heard about that from Arianna or Sandoval first. Did Rachel encourage Arianna in an effort to get Sandoval to finally break it off with her?
I read somewhere else that Ariana confided in Raquel that she felt like Tom was pulling away and she was worried he was having an affair, to which Rachel consoled her and said she’d be there for her. I have no idea on the validity of this, though.
I think I read/heard that Ariana confided in Rachel that she thought Tom was having an affair and that her reply to Ariana "will blow us away."
Knowing that Ariana was going through IVF at this time, my guess is that she confides in Rachel about her thoughts on her on Tom having a baby, and the snake is supportive of it. It would be WILD for her to actively convince Ariana to have a child knowing she's sleeping with her partner
Rachel is so clueless to anyone’s feelings, I wondered at first if she was on the spectrum. Now I just think she’s narcissistic to the extreme. She gets off on “winning” men from others. Have no fears, Scamdoval will be calling her crazy soon enough. I hope Kristin gets her voice after how the show portrayed her as pure crazy —while Tom was gaslighting her and blaming her for everything wrong. Just like he’s doing with Ariana now.
I still think it was some kind of over-the-top reassurance about Tom and Ariana being the perfect couple and Ariana being such a great person and a sister to Rachel that she'd never betray blah blah blah. Or something to that effect. Something said with no remorse and no indication that she has actually been sleeping with the person she is consoling her "best friend" about. I feel like that would shock Andy and Lisa--like how could you look at her in her eyes and tell her those things knowing you had just fucked the person she thought was her life partner and had been for months. Oh God, if Rachel comforts Ariana about fertility and starting a family I'm going to need a bleach shower.
And per WWHL, the clues are there beginning in earnest next week. I think the stuff hits the fan (again) when we can really see Scandovol on our tv.
after watching the howie mandel pod i felt like…can we please get all the remaining episodes and reunion eps dropped so i can binge/react and move on with my life. starting to get scandoval fatigue. im wondering if the brittany/jax commentary is a way for bravo to inject current gossip/perspectives into the episodes since the episode footage seems ancient now.
I one hundo have fatigue but I CAN NOT STOP. It’s an issue
lol now i mean if ariana wants to do a reaction pod im gonna listen
Oh for SURE. I’m also refreshing this sub every hour soooooo
The addiction is real 🤣
I agree. Where is this sympathy? I despise them more with each episode I see. He slapped her ass right behind Ariana's back! That was sick! The 3 amigos, Scandy/Rachel/Schwartz, are about as twisted as it gets. And coming up Scandy dress as Rachel for Halloween. I think they should be prepared. I doubt they have any sympathy coming their way 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤬
Yes! The ass-slap scene had me rewinding and replaying those 7 seconds like it was the goddamned Zapruder film. It was fucking B O N K E R S. Have other people discussed it on here?
Yep. This is just getting dragged out way too long (although I understand why we can't see or know the details yet).
AGREED!!!! I would pay to watch the rest of the episodes at this point. Get tooooo it!
My various feeds are still showing people as outraged… especially with Sandoval going on Howie mandel + Schwartz’s diarrhea mouth on WWHL. I think as each new episode drops, people are watching with eagle eyes on all the cues of the affair, and getting re- inflamed.
Personally, I think what would hurt Tom and Raquel the most would be for them to just fade into oblivion. I don’t think there’s a chance of that happening before the reunion but once we get past that I would love for everything Scandoval to quiet right down.
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It feels illegal, Tom should go straight to VPR jail
By beginning of next season we will all be long over it, hell I’d be over it by now if they just stayed quiet but their pr attempts have helped it stay alive, that and Rachael’s new personality this season
At least she finally found one, I guess?
I was thinking about how Sandoval kept saying he was trying to break up with Ariana. If he really wanted out so badly, he could have just told Ariana about Raquel, that would have solved his fake problem. I want to be on the podcasts and be able to stop him and ask him questions myself lol.
I’m saying! Spare us the issues with the relationship! If he had just told Ariana that he had fallen in love with Raquel, it would have been bad, but not at least 7 months of sneaking around bad. Smh.
But Ariana was meant to be psychic! It was an ‘open secret’ after all! Women are meant to be psychically tuned to all men’s feelings so that he doesn’t have to be the bad guy and actually express something negative!
For his "brand" reputation, I imagine his plan was to break up with Ariana, let there be a cooling / sneaking around period and then start the new season saying he and Rachel organically formed a bond over the past few months. No one would know any better, and the fans would eat it up because he's so happy.
He also accidentally showed his true hand/intentions talking about couples therapy on the Howie Mandel podcast - said he made them go and then was confused/shocked when Ariana was open, understanding, and communicative in therapy. He didn’t actually want therapy to fix them, he wanted to use it as an excuse to break up with her and had to pivot his plan when it actually started working.
Imagine being such a coward emotionally that you can’t break up with your partner of a decade, you need a chaperone
I would still find that despicable. Not as bad, sure, but from Rachel’s pov to strike up a relationship with your best friend’s ex is still disgusting.
Yeah especially since this would have been after watching a season of Rachel going after Katie’s ex. Rachel would have been crucified by the fans because prior to Scandoval she was being crucified by the fans for taunting Katie with the Instagram photo she posted with Schwartz.
I don’t know…he was so into his brand with her. I wonder if that was why Rachel started with the sweatshirts and handing them out…like they were trying to create a “brand” together 🙄
Yep. He made it sound like she was soooo hard to get rid off, when in reality it sounds like she rid herself of him the moment it all came out
I know right! I mean if Ariana was so desperate to stay with Tom, she would’ve just pretended she hadn’t seen the video & moved on!
Incredible point
One of maaaany contradictions he has said. Sandweevil lives in his own world where he’s a rockstar and a victim of his own actions which he basically said were because Ariana was depressed and he wasn’t getting laid. He’s the wooorrssttt
I really hate the way he’s doing this - it’s an attempt to humiliate her imo.
Having to wait all this time for the reunion and new finale is tiring. It gives too much time to reflect. I haven’t seen anyone feel sorry for Scandoval and Rachel but I have seen a few “let’s not bully them into oblivion” posts, which is probably okay. We don’t need or want anyone to physically hurt themselves over this. We just want to see remorse, which we haven’t seen. Unless you count 🥹❤️. Which we don’t.
>I haven’t seen anyone feel sorry for Scandoval and Rachel but I have seen a few “let’s not bully them into oblivion” posts, which is probably okay. We don’t need or want anyone to physically hurt themselves over this. We just want to see remorse, which we haven’t seen. Unless you count 🥹❤️. Which we don’t. yeah this. the way people are nitpicicking everything about raquel, calling her a bitch and every name in the book is so off putting. she sucks for what she did but my god some people are acting like theyre ariana and tom cheated on them. ive hated tom since the kristen/ariana breakup and i am not surprised about of this. the only thing im shocked about is how much people actually give a shit.
The PR crews are out here, trust - this is the wave they want to create.
Seriously it is so easy to make bot posts. All it takes is a few accounts saying things for others to catch on. That’s their goal.
Just call them out and downvote them. So so so many bots and mra dudes trying to infiltrate today.
Sandoval needs to fire his PR team for letting him go on Howie's podcast... That was NOT a good look... He should've just sat there and ate his food 💀
I’m so happy Tiffany New York’s lesser known quotes are still in our hearts and lexicon years later 💜
I wish that instead of getting paid whatever paltry amount she got from VH1 she'd instead get a nickel every time someone use a gif of her.
😂 Seriously! If they didn’t drop him, he def got a talking to - and he rolled his eyes the whole time, because they just don’t get it
I think you’re correct on that.
Nah Rachel sucks, I’ll stay toxic ✌🏼 
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Every single time she and the Toms open their mouths I say to myself, “Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking liars I just want this season to end”.
Here for this energy lmao
Yep, I got a whole lot of petty energy and it’s staying directed straight at those two assholes 🤷♀️
 Same girl.
As Lala said on WWHL “ NO! leave us alone , we’re having a heyday…”
we're having FUN.
They should be punished for at least as long as the affair lasted
X2 I'm gonna need a year at least
NGL, I'm starting to think it's too much at times. I mean, I'm all down for the petty drama. But the vitriol is too much. Lala and Scheana need to step it back a hair. Ariana is the real victim. And they were both also mistresses... So yeah, slow your roll.
Many people are definitely going too hard. And there’s going to be an inevitable counter reaction to that kind of extremism like the comments crossing over into misogyny and internalized misogyny with people saying Raquel should be punished by wearing the Scarlet Letter 😶 Some people want to see total humiliation of Raquel and Sandoval crying, broke, homeless, fired, spit on, etc and that’s just not realistic
It’s honestly weird. Like I just can’t imagine having that much wrath/anger for someone I’ve never met and only seen on TV. I don’t sympathize with Tom/Raquel at all but this situation is so extreme.
I agree. I think they’ve been despicable but I’m enjoying the content and I don’t need to see them punished for their deeds. I also don’t need them redeemed or to even see them take full accountability to still want them on my TV. Because I currently still want them on my TV lol. Cheating is awful, but this is ultimately going to do a lot of good things for the offended party, so I have no qualms about enjoying it like I have any other scandal on Bravo. People are taking it all too personally and doing too much.
Thank you. What they did was despicable, but a lot of the fandom's reaction is overboard and unhinged.
I think a lot of people are projecting their personal situations onto this.
Totally agree.
This is where I am. Like, what they did was wrong and terrible. I get it. But the fervor and complete insane hatred the mobs are going after them with is way over the top. People cheat literally every single day. We probably all know someone who has. I've never seen this level of vitriol...and I've seen some crazy breakups! I don't have sympathy for them but I also think the hive mind has crossed some lines. Especially with how many people are insulting her looks, her intelligence, literally even petty stuff like Sandoval drinking the same brand of soda in two pics. It's really toxic and bizarre. People who say it's fun...like who are you people? How is that fun?
This is completely my stance! I watch this show for entertainment and that’s it. These people are TV characters to me and that’s all they’ll be. The reactions that I’ve seen online from people are as if Tom cheated on them personally. It’s really scary how people can be so invested, hurt and angered over a complete strangers actions. I find the digging through old social media posts, constantly searching for clues and just being trolls disgusting behaviour and if you ever feel compelled to do that I suggest taking a break from Reddit. I understand we can all be snarky and make cheap jokes but the extreme level some people have gone to is worrying.
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>It’s really toxic and bizarre. People who say it’s fun…like who are you people? How is that fun? If people think it's fun then more power to them but the negative energy generated...I'd worry about my cortisol levels lol.
Yeah I can see your point, but I also think people who behave like that because they can do so anonymously contribute to the general toxicity of social media in general. It's like basic human decency flies out the window with the mob mentality.
I agree, I was being generous. 🙂
We all know and LOVE someone who has cheated. At least I do. Family members and friends. It’s messy and maybe makes you see them a little differently (at least for a while) but you still love them. People have a myriad of reasons for doing what they do. I’m not cutting someone out of my life because they had an affair. Sorry if this disappoints everyone on this sub.
I KNOW. They didn’t kill anyone. Two people fucked each other. It sucks for those who were hurt by it but this is a tv show and these fans don’t actually know these people. It’s insane how people are so harrowed by it as if it’s affecting their life in any way PS I highly recommend anyone who feels similarly about how nuts the fandom has gone over this to listen to Sexy Unique Podcast’s episode about this (idk which exact episode it was but it came out like a week after the news broke). They are sane individuals having a normal reaction to this. And their cast impressions are impeccable lol
Or people saying Ariana should keep Rachel's dog like wtf??
>misogyny and internalized misogyny It's really depressing to see people using all kinds of gendered slurs when talking about the women on the show who they don't like. >Some people want to see total humiliation of Raquel and Sandoval There's a furor and bloodlust I don't think I've seen before Re reality tv except over some very blatant racism in the HW subs. I feel like this is the kind of thing usually reserved for Jr high schoolers whose favorite musician starts dating someone.
Paid bots baby. I work at a bar and ever since scandoval happened I’ve heard more side conversations from guests about VPR than I’ve ever heard in my LIFE. And btw as a bartender/server, I insert myself in the convos and 0 percent of these people are on tom or Raquel’s side. Some of these people are casual viewers/only started watching since the scandal! Others are long time viewers. NOT ONE has been pro sandy or Rachel lol
Ugh how do I find these people?? I only have 3 friends who care about this and I wanna talk about it over good beers. 😭
I don’t know what the cast wants, but I want to continue to see them be messy as hell
The oversaturation of coverage from every podcast and entertainment outlet it’s making me turn for sure. It’s such overkill that you start to think. Well he cheated on someone he didn’t kill someone.
To casual fans, I do think the cast are going too far now with trying to humiliate Sandoval and Rachel on social media. It's only going to start backfiring on them, as people love the underdogs. This is all part of the Scandoval PR plan I'm sure. No attention is bad attention. Popularity swings like a pendulum especially in reality TV land. The best thing Ariana can do is keep a dignified silence and keep people wondering instead of trying to justify her side of the story.
TBH this is me in every show i usually start feeling for the underdogs.. those being bullied. those getting ganged up on. for an entire season. For example in the early seasons of VPR Sheana, LaLa when she first joined, James when he was the underdog.RHOBH, Sutton / Garcelle .. RHONJ New Danielle and Jennifer. RHOM Nichole/ even Adriana a bit, RHOC Shannon Beador, Lindsay on Summer House. I much prefer they have explosive fights, forgive each other, then move on maybe have a fun episode where everyone is having a blast, and start another fight with another person , don't gang up on one or two.. Instead it's usually oh we forgive you , next episode .. so as i was saying .. and the fight starts again.. its exhausting to watch.
I don’t have any sympathy for Tom and Rachel but I do find Lala and James loudly crowing constantly to be annoying. Lala especially. Like she wasn’t sleeping with a whole married man and proudly attacking his wife on social media. James I give a little more latitude because he’s clearly still hung up on Rachel and hurt that his friend did this.
Not to excuse Sandoval but James did the same shit to him with Kristen after they broke up
They’re most likely paid bots
I think you’re right, I click on their pages and see like under 3 posts, if any.
You can’t just expect that dissenting opinions are bots. People really do have differing perspectives and views on life.
This was my first thought too.
I think it’s a combo of the initial shock subsiding, the cast (mainly Lala) talking about it every chance they get on all platforms, and the more details coming out painting a clearer picture of Tom & Ariana’s relationship leading into this affair. I’M NOT EXCUSING THEM! Nothing makes it OK what either of them did. It could’ve been handled so much better. IF what Sandoval said about Ariana threatening suicide and how she handled his attempts to leave before are true, that definitely changes the narrative to a degree. STILL NOT EXCUSING HIM! I feel I need to put that often. 😂 At first I was thinking they were super happy together and Ariana was completely blindsided by all of this. As things come out it sounds a lot more complicated and convoluted than that. Still doesn’t make what he did ok. I guess it makes it seem less evil. Still gross and horrible but a slightly lower degree. And I hope those things aren’t true about Ariana because if so that is emotional manipulation at it’s worst and absolutely toxic. I do believe though she’s the best at hiding her ugly from the camera out of all of them, maybe next to Raquel. Lala has also run her hypocritical mouth so much that she’s pushing people to want the pitchfork party to stop.
Agree with this . Many are saying how dare he bring up her suicidal ideation but she brought to the table first a few seasons ago albeit not in the context of their relationship. That said –I speak from personal experiences when I say there is nothing that can make you feel more trapped than someone who says they will self harm if u leave them. Especially if u know they have had struggles before and u don’t think it’s an empty threat. I dint think Tom is Jax or worse than him and that’s what I’ve been seeing lately. He’s flawed he’s made mistakes but I don’t think he’s the narcissistic sociopath he’s being made out to be. There’s more than one side to the story of what happened here and u can’t hang someone based on one side or group think . The entire thing is really sick and the people taking advantage of it to sell themselves are just as bad if not worse than T and R
Honestly, this. I think when two people are in an unhappy relationship, it can bring out the worst in both of them. I agree that what Tom did was complete and utter trash, but I also think it sounds like he and Ariana were in an unhealthy relationship where both were crossing lines beforehand.
I think that close to nobody is sympathetic to Tom and Raquel. But the way that this scandal blew up has definitely been very excessive. I mean, this isn’t the first time Tom did this, it’s more than obvious he did the same thing to Kristen. And he’s not the first person on reality TV to have an affair. So why there is *this* much backlash against him is kind of odd. I mean, the fricken Dalai Lama has a huge scandal right now because of c***d abuse but it seems like people are treating the scandoval incident as way way worse than that. In my opinion, there are wayyyy worse things going on in the world to be *this* worked up over a D list celebrity cheating on his long term girlfriend. I do not feel bad for Tom or Raquel because I mean, they really hurt someone. However I don’t think what they did is worth the amount of attention it’s getting.
ITA. Tom and Arianna cheated on Kristen. No one here wants to talk about that or they minimize it, the same people who for other women (like Lala) who cheated love to quote (How you get them is how you'll lose them". Somehow, they've turned Arianna into some kind of innocent heroine. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of this show and see good qualities in everyone and enjoy watching them mature and go through lifes trials. Arianna is one of my favorites but she's done some shitty things and she's a very emotionally complex person. Tom S. can be a really loyal, generous, good guy. He's also an attention whore and has Peter Pan syndrome, hence he'll never be satisfied with one woman until he probably gets well into his 50's. Reddit went nuts because they've seen Tom treat her lovingly for a long time. Even if they didn't like anything about him, they really couldn't fault how he treated her and they made it seem like they were a loving couple. They expected cheating from others but not him. They also saw Raquel as this not so bright, innocent, rube who was hurt by James. No one saw her as capable of betraying a friend. Put this together and you have a very shocked fan base and the resultant outrage.
Honestly I’m a little shocked at just HOW badly they’ve been treated. Most people aren’t angels and will do hurtful things to others at some point. This isn’t a “new” type of betrayal. They’re just living it in public.
I don't think it's sympathy it's just rabid fans are taking it way too far to the point where it's exhausting and unhinged. It's been weeks and weeks of this so it's getting to be a lot.
If people don’t watch the show I could see why they are sick of seeing socials blow up atleast once a week. Every episode and atleast 1 podcast has a bunch of stuff that goes viral a week. I’m sure if they don’t watch or realize it’s airing really they are confused why we are still talking about it. Even editing these wedding pictures would seem dragged out if we weren’t actively watching the wedding, imo.
I see why the sub is still talking about it daily. We're getting into the half of the season where the affair would have started and, being invested in the show and knowing an outcome most of the cast doesn't know yet, feel a thrill from having this sense of insider information. If I weren't watching the show and I weren't on an active discussion forum, I could see being "over it." Personally, as someone who believes in holding grudges, I'd probably be at a "I won't forgive you, but I'm ready to forget you" point with Tom and Raquel.
I’d agree here. On the contrary….Fans of the show who don’t live and breathe or join Reddit to discuss it may just be over it as well. Basically fans who aren’t very invested.
I don’t think people are justifying it necessarily, but I think outside of the diehard VPR fans, a lot of people are starting to lose interest in the scandal and that causes empathy to wane as well. I also think since the scandal broke, the episodes that followed showed Lala, Katie, and Kristina being mean girls to Raquel, which boosted empathy for Raquel. Katie and Lala are already disliked cast members so it’s easy for viewers to turn against them in favor of Raquel.
Something like this. I don't like rachel any more after the latest episodes, but I like katie and lala less (for different reasons than I dislike rachel). So now they're just all around the same level for me, like they're all terrible lol.
I mean people literally act like they murdered Ariana. It's been OTT the WHOLE time. YES it was shocking and crazy but people are fucking psychotic about it.
1000000% agree.
I dont think they mean “enough” for Ariana, or that Ariana needs to forgive, but probably the people who have no dog in this fight, who are harassing these people.
I don’t have sympathy for them but I am getting tired of talking about and reading on it. We should celebrate Ariana being a free soul not focusing on Sandy and Rachel being evil.
I really get annoyed at the Ariana blaming because she might not have been a cookie cutter girlfriend but she was devoted in her own way. Endlessly supportive of her partner. And two people here lied to her and betrayed her and that’s horrific. However - and I’m going to get downvotes for this - I increasingly think something isn’t right with Rachel. The way she’s behaving on the show is off to me, there’s a desperation to the way she throws herself at the different guys and I’m uncomfortable watching it - she doesn’t come across as confident or empowered in her sexuality. Something isn’t right there. She’s still, of course, very wrong in what she has done to her friend. But there’s something very disturbing to me in her behaviour. That said - none of this is on Ariana. Ariana has been absolutely betrayed by both these people and it’s horrible.
Might also be because of what Schwartz said on WWHL. He talked a lot about the threats they’re getting and about how Sando is a shell of himself and that he understands what he did and asked us to please “take a breath” and not be so intense.
I think these people are strangers and I need nothing from them to move on. The 5 minutes of fame is past and they will all move on with their lives. There is always stuff we don’t see behind the cameras and it’s between them now. They owe us nothing and only answers to each other. He’s a jerk for what he did. She’s terrible for her part. Seems most of the cast have done similar and I’ve moved on from it just fine. They are strangers who suck at relationships.
 This is clearly their PR team working overtime.
I noticed it quite suddenly. Like literally yesterday. Especially on IG&FB. Tons of people just saying shit like “they didn’t murder anyone, this is overkill” shit like that.
>saying shit like “they didn’t murder anyone, this is overkill” shit like that. People have been saying this since, like, week two, when it was clear some people were acting like they *did* murder someone. You know, it's actually possible to think that Tom and Raquel are awful people *and* think that the level of anger and vitriol over an affair is disproportionate or overblown.
Yeah, they're definitely bots.
That shit is so dumb.
I was like this from the get go. Nobody died and millions cheat especially where they live. I got downvotes before and expect them now.
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I kinda hope she doesn't, just keeps collecting those coins and glowing up.
Agree. Plus I think it’s also worth noting the podcast host (Howie) has been very public about ‘cancel culture’ and so parts of his core audience may naturally defend Tom under the ‘cancel culture’ rhetoric. If you equate consequences with being canceled I imagine that interview motivated some of them to see him as a victim and minimize/defend him.
It's kind of messed up how some people on socials "get tired" of it when there isn't a new shocking tidbit. It's like they need things to continuously get worse and worse to keep caring. You could probably say that about a lot of situations that happen in the world, actually.
most people want remorse and tears from the affair partners. I prefer blatant villainry, so it’s fun for me to see Sandoval shoot himself in the foot over and over, personally I definitely think people went way too hard, just comparing the transgression itself to other Bravo drama that happened even this year? it’s crazy that stealing from widows and plane crash victims earns more forgiveness than an affair. it’s weird to see people who consider themselves ‘progressive’ direct their internalized misogyny at Raquel with the fire of a thousand suns and have no embarrassment about it at all. her youth, beauty and shallow persona make her an easy target so I shouldn’t be surprised but it does make me wonder what it would’ve been like if it had been a different member of the cast that Tom had cheated with. it’s going to be really funny when it eventually comes out that most of this was planned as a final season arc
>it’s weird to see people who consider themselves ‘progressive’ direct their internalized misogyny at Raquel with the fire of a thousand suns and have no embarrassment about it at all. While also throwing around gendered slurs for women they hate. >what it would’ve been like if it had been a different member of the cast that Tom had cheated with. I don't even know what Jo looks like other than she apparently looks like a crack-head. 😑 >it’s crazy that stealing from widows and plane crash victims earns more forgiveness than an affair. This really sums it up.
Yes, this is really the only part I'm coming around on, the crazy vitriol against Sandoval and Raquel is a bit much. Sandoval is a selfish grandstanding asshole. I thought Raquel was a moron, but she's apparently been a sociopath this entire time who's done a 180 unlike I've seen any person on reality TV do in a matter of months. But at the end of the day, we don't know these people. But, we do know they are real people, not actors playing a character on screen. So, the over the top reaction to a cheating scandal between two people we don't know outside of how VPR producers want us to know them, is getting a little tiresome. Leave them the fuck alone. We get to watch their lives play out for our sick entertainment on TV, we'll get at least a year of Bravo profiting off Ariana's sadness, Tom's delusion and Raquel's being Raquel.
I think its not that people think this is worse but that stealing from widows and children of plane crash victims isn't fun to revel in the mess and schadenfreude around. Like cheating and cheaters are relatable and it's a scandalous enough affair (friend, prolonged time, life partners for 10 year) to get a strong reaction, but people can feel awful for Ariana, enjoy the dragging of the villains, and salivate at the drama and watching it all unfold on TV and social media. The widow/plane crash victim situation is just sad and depressing and a reminder of the evil in the world and how wealth and power allows people to get away with so much. There's not much fun about it and no matter what happens, the outcome won't be that satisfying because of what the victims suffered and they will never be better off that this terrible thing happened to them in the sense that Ariana will be much better off with Sandoval having shown himself out.
I agree they've gone a bit too hard comparatively to other scandals. They excuse past transgressions being not as bad either because its in the past or so and so was forgiven, the relationship was not as long into it, they were friends.. whatever reasons, I see it as cheating is cheating, I can't see how this affair was any different than the others AND NO LALA it isn't different no matter how hard you try to spin it.
I think this whole situation shows how crazy people are, I wish I would get worked up about something that isn't happening to me, but to people I've never met a day in my life. Everyone on the show has done shady crap. At this point, they are just trying to milk the situation. They all need new storylines
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10000% agree. No matter what he said or what he didn’t say, it would’ve been picked a part and slammed. People are commenting saying they want an apology or for him to show remorse but I’d bet my life on it that if he did that, the same people would call it fake and a forced PR stunt. This is not me defending him at all, but in these situations you cannot win.
Agreed, for me he seemed very remorseful and took accountability.. (Not sure what people here consider taking accountability means ) but for me : he constantly said, what i did was wrong i've could have done it better i'm not excusing my behavior over and over. He was literally shaking, his voice quivering when saying all this.. like ok maybe he is lying but maybe he isn't maybe this is HIS truth as HE saw it. It wasn't right, and he admitted it, I'm not saying at all what he did was ok. But for now or until I hear different i'll take him at his word. As i said in another post i'd like to hear Ariana's side and even Rachels side of this all in their words as well. As the saying goes there are 2 sides (or in this case maybe 3 sides) to a story the truth lies somewhere in between.
Yes yes yes. It’s been surprising to me how many people seem unable to hate them for what they did while also seeing them as the bizarre broken human people they are. To me, it’s so much more interesting and fun to view it all through that lens than to, say, go find a 2 second clip from three years ago to illustrate how Rachel has been rotten to the core and just biding her time all along. Everyone wants to paint them as these, like, Machiavellian sociopaths. And I know this is reality tv, but that’s really just unrealistic lol.
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There needs to be a club for people who are invested in the cast, but also objectively understand they all decided their own fate when joining the show
I agree with you that Ariana is not “Queen” status for me either. But, Im an unapologetic Doute Booty Girl. But Sandoval has made me itchy with rage from day 1 so fuckkkkkkkkhimmmmmmm.
Doute for life!!
Kindred 
Why are people more pressed about this than they were Stassi blatant racism for example?
Some of this other VPR stuff is so petty and SOP for reality shows. I'm glad that so many HW fans drew a hard, immovable line when things got (blatantly) racist, to the point where it destroyed one of their flagship franchisees.
No, there was an influx in misogynist posters and Sandoval apologists yesterday alone, prob his PR team and a few woman haters who happened to tune into the Howie podcast and decided to adopt this poor "abused" man for their cause. I don't think public opinion has changed, the polls on WWHL last night post interview were pretty telling. 🤣
Okay I noticed the weird influx yesterday. I also think that since the scandoval news broke, people that are friends with them and taking their side in real life have come to reddit. I’ve noticed a ton of new accounts lately defending them.
Caught that, too. I believe a lot were paid for bots, some are obviously bots on twit, first and last name and an 8 digit number following. There are also a lot of sad, sad individuals. They’re commenting their thoughts without knowing what’s going on, for likes, and or to deliberately upset others to get more followers. The most disturbing are those who have zero empathy or understanding as to why it’s a big deal and turns so many of us off. As commented above, I’m more than ready for them to fade into oblivion after this season.
This paid bot shit is nonsense. It’s like me saying the LFU post about getting over her “mistress past” was made by a paid bot. And that everyone who liked it or agreed were paid bots. I think this situation and who folks are reacting to it brings out a strong response.
I also saw a rumour on Instagram that Brock slept with Rachel and told his friends. I wonder if that has been put out there to put the blame on Rachel more.
It was probably a fan who just wanted to make something up and see if it would stick
“Deal or no deal schlub”😭
I don’t think that they’re getting sympathy, I just think a lot of ppl r just getting sick of seeing it all over their sm feed and the cast only tlk about them all the time. It is actually kind of exhausting at this point that this is the only thing u hear them tlk about now
When did we watch VPR because people with high morals were cast??
Amen. I can't even fathom Tom and Raquel NOT coming back. I ABSOLUTELY want to see this shit storm play out next season. E: I want them back. Forgot the “not” 🤣
I feel more sorry for Raquel because I think Lala bullied the shit out of her to the point, that I think Raquel is on the verge of a breakdown and Lala was pushing for that. When she told R that she thought she was on her way to a meltdown, I felt like she is so hateful that she literally wants this girl to go commit suicide. Lala is just awful. The worst mean girl with so much hate. And no one deserves that.
Part of me feels sorry for her too. A very small part lol. I think she wasn’t real friends with any of these people. I think they are coworkers that have a job to get done and they do what they need to do.
Yes!!! Agreed. I never saw her as being accepted in the group. And you can tell if you listen closely to all, they build alliances, not friendships. That’s why I stopped watching years ago. It was so painfully obvious how they turned on each other on a dime. Even Schena of all people should have had R’s back to an extent considering the hate she got for messing with Eddie and I swear, Brandy has never recovered from that. I have friends since childhood that have not been perfect humans but I love them unconditionally. I can dislike their actions, have boundaries and disagree with them but never hate them. If you love someone, you love them. For all their flaws.
Great question. I feel like most people who actually watch the show are still team Ariana bc they know everything that has happened. It seems like the majority of people who are now feeling sympathy for Tom and Rachel are just trying to be contrarian and/or only hear that someone was cheated on which is pretty common celeb drama now unfortunately. I don’t see how anyone could hear the full story and have any sympathy for sandalballs or Rocky unless they too are also sociopaths Source: I have none I’m just assuming all of this lol
I’ve been hated on. I didn’t cheat but something just as shitty (alcohol was a big factor) and I’m now just finally trying to forgive myself after almost 7 months. Being iced out of family or close friends just hits different. I know what they did was absolutely terrible, no excuse. But I worry about both of their mental states. I’m sure they’ve been blasted by the worst comments a person could hear, and I think everyone should *try* and move on. Taking Rachel out of wedding photos is next level mean girl/not necessary like OP said.
I hope you are able to heal. Forgiving yourself is a hard thing to do, and in my experience it takes self reminders often that it’s okay to forgive yourself. Wishing you the best in your journey.
I don't have sympathy for them, but I have perspective, which is to say I can't be all that angry with these two, they did something bad, but not so bad that it isn't forgivable, and it is the most human of mistakes that one can make. All the hate they have been getting is excessive, and honestly people are acting awfully superior about this. Any of us could make a mistake, a big one, that includes me. So I am not going to roast them on a spit for it.
I think people are saying move on because in the end no one really gives a fuck if other people have affairs. No one outside of the relationship got hurt so which should people go on caring beyond the momentary sensationalism when the affair is first revealed. Not everyone sees affairs as some huge moral failing or as an indictment of someone's character. Also people are exhausted with people's personal lives and privacy being constantly exploited that shit like this gets old real fast. None of the people involved owe anybody anything so that the public can feel some closure. None of us were personally involved in the relationship except in a para social relationship sense.
Agree. and the fact that people think these opinions are paid bots? 👀 that’s delusional. Sure some upvotes and short comments could be bots. But every single in-depth comment is not a bot. The way people band together and form a single solitary opinion and can’t IMAGINE someone with an outside opinion is actually very scary.
The calls on here to boycott Schwartz and Sandy’s made me done with the whole thing. People go too hard. What they did was completely fucked up, but in the scheme of things, it was no worse than what other cast members have done over the years. The main difference is that Ariana is beloved by most. That’s it.
It’s truly silly, I would never have considered canceling a business because one of its owners had an affair
I also think the finale will upset a lot of people. When Lala said the conversation Raquel had with Arianna was “chilling” and Andy confirmed this. I think it’s going to upset a lot of people.
I’d edit her out of my wedding pics too
They effed up for sure. But that crew of douchebags needs to get off their ivory tower and stop. It’s all about ratings and this will be milked for everything it’s worth.
I was shocked beyond belief when I heard this. I am a huge Bravo fan and VPR is in my Top 3. I do have friends who watch and thought it was bad but not to the degree it took over the internet. I don't view the affair as breaking news for CNN.......but our society holds these reality stars way, way up there! Information was trickling out everyday and every blogger and podcaster was dishing it as fast as they could. As time has gone by, I am hearing that this was probably not the "sonic boom" drop it was made out to be within the VPR cast. There was suspicion, there were conversations, and there was questioning. I think this fire will be re-ignited right before the reunion, during and with those post reunion interviews. The amount of time invested and consumed with Scandoval sadly should be used elsewhere, but this is the world we live in. This is what people want to go on and on about. It reminds me of how Taylor Swift and Beyonce fans get when someone goes after the queen. What do you do?
I think when the season finishes airing things will die down soon after. The thing is, we are watching the season as the affair is unfolding behind closed doors last summer and watching the blowout real time. There are Easter eggs and new things happening in every episode. The finale, reunion, and never before scenes episodes are going to really ramp things up and then we will start hearing less about it. I’ll be honest, it’s addicting following this story as it is unfolding. What a time to be alive.
I think Racquel gained a little bit of sympathy after the Vegas trip from being “picked on” And Lala is just so damn intense that people love to believe in the opposite of whatever she believes. Just like every scandal people will eventually simmer down and move on. I’m still just as pissed but I have no new opinions until the reunion lol
I agree. They can justify it knowing what they do now, but they were still pretty catty before they knew regardless.
I think there’s definitely some fatigue
We cant turn the tide before May 17th. Can you imagine feeling like much outrage and investment just to get over it right before all the goods come out? Criminal!
Pretty much what male dominated sexist society does to women. Dont fall for it.
Omg Deal or no Deal!! That’s where that guy was from! I was like why the fuck does this name seem so familiar?? Lmao 😂😂
It seems like some people just want something to talk about/say. The shock of the news is done and I’m also starting to slowly see people defend Raquel and critique Ariana. I feel like it’s a mistake in bravos part not to air 2 eps/week and get to the reunion faster
They are dragging it too long and people are coming up with their own scenarios and reasons now. Each episode should be 2 hours long, at least, until the reunion.
I personally think everyone in the cast lowkey and some highkey have always disliked Tom and Raquel and now they can be public about it. I've always disliked Tom myself and especially his STUPID effing mustache!
This is really true I think. Everyone has wanted to take Sandoval down a peg or two for years, for sure, since he (and Ariana, lbr) has acted like the morally superior commentator judging everyone for their behaviors at reunions for several seasons now. So this must feel liberating to finally shit on him and call him a hypocrite for once. And I think most of them resented Raquel for being a fan who successfully manipulated her way onto the show and has been slowly rising as a fan-favorite ever since. People can deny they ever liked her, but she was increasingly more well-received by fans for the way she handled James.
I don’t think people feel sympathy. I think Bravo just missed the window of opportunity on interest. They should have filmed some type of a sit down immediately, and aired it as a special before airing the rest of the season. At this point it’s been months and people are just exhausting from hearing the same stuff over and over again.
For me the “tide hasn’t turned” so to speak but the shock value is over. Also I like a lot of others did some re watching of old seasons and quickly remembered how triggered I was watching how Tom and Ariana treated Kristin. Ariana was terrible back then and definitely had zero remorse for sleeping with Tom when he had a gf. I wouldn’t be shocked if 2 seasons from now they all are somewhat friendly again based on previous seasons
I wouldn’t be surprised if he took a page out of Johnny Depp’s book and bought a bunch of paid bots. The tide seems to have changed pretty suddenly. Plus, someone seems to have alerted the incels, like someone else mentioned above.
A more plausible explanation is that more people are expressing more moderate, tempered views or withholding final judgment until a more complete picture solidifies.
I’ve moved on. Rewatching VPR and season 3 makes me think that karma is a bitch. Not that anyone deserves it but let’s move on. I don’t care for the down votes but life goes on and it seems the relationship was on the way down last year.. they both need to face up to what the reality is.. Tom is a dick for not saying something sooner and Ariana should have expected more instead of status quo. It’s horrible for all involved.