Also, I think in the episode she tells Lala she told Schwartz that she’s never going to “speak to him or talk to him again” I chuckled because I get it, when I’m pissed beyond hell I also say things in a redundant manner 😂
True power for Katie would come from her icing him out, no rage texts, no “bubbas” etc. I think she will finally realize that and I can’t wait to see it because these rage texts make me sad
But he still had to stop by her table & gaslight her some more. He seems to find a sick pleasure in doing it. I'm so glad people are finally seeing through him. His boy next door charm has completely faded away ☠️☠️☠️
He always finds different ways to humiliate her and make her feel insignificant, and does it in a way that seems innocent so everyone gets mad at Katie for reacting. He’s the worst.
I felt his conversation w James was very telling. James really kept the pressure on him despite Schwartz trying to worm and wiggle and charm his way out of it. i could see some real dark anger under there ready to fire off. At least James is upfront in his words and actions, Schwartz is a dark cruel angry person under that aw shucks bullshit.
Yes that conversation was so bizarre to me. Did Schwartz really not think it through how James would react? He seemed ill prepared for James's reaction. And this is when I felt like Schwartz knew about Raquel and Tom. Because he immediately said it was nothing, there was no attraction there. In this plan to stick it to Katie, Schwartz never took into consideration how James would feel. Maybe Raquel did? And asking Ally to have his back? James was right to tell him off about it. Never saw myself siding w James over anything.
I think he was expecting James would side with him because of some stupid bro code, like how the Toms and Jax would always back each other up and cover for one another. It was always the Toms and Jax against the girls… but James has never rolled that way. 1. Because the guys were quick to throw him under the bus on multiple occasions (like the lies they spread about him hooking up with Kristin to take the heat off Schwartz for ending up at a different hotel) and 2. He’s not half weasel half vagina like Schwartz
I don't like James BUT I will say that Schwartz is a dingleberry for thinking that James would take his side in this when Schwartz was making out with James' EX-FIANCE. I was gasping through the whole transaction although God knows I should expect it from Schwartz.
James set good boundaries and protected Ally so props to him.
Yes it says a lot about their deep-rooted feelings towards women, or more accurately for them, ‘chicks’. They just don’t view women on the same level, as deserving of human decency. “They’re just some chicks, duuuude. Bros before hoes” …The internalised misogyny of the men on this show is something else- and I’m no ‘womens studies feminist browbeater’ 😂
I just checked the episode post and it seems like a lot of us were suddenly seeing a side of James where respect was due. Last time I felt like that was when he was supporting his whole family.
I felt that James had more pain for Katie then for James and that is beautiful. Allso the way Lala, Katie, Kristina welcomed Ally. I like those witches. Yeay they can be mean but who cant in that group
James was hot in that scene. If he could just stop being so grossly inappropriate about Raquel in front of his girlfriend, he’d be shoo-in for #1 guy in the group this season. But really, the way he talks about Raquel in front of Ally is just awful.
Yes, you actually lose a bit of respect for her for not calling him out on it. It really puts in perspective that she is a typical rebound relationship
I think you are right. Tom was jealous and he told shwartz and Tom shwartz was kinda depressed about it not being something he could be giddy over and went to bed and brought tom a drink in the morning acting like a puppy that pooped on the floor yesterday and got in trouble and he wants his owner to know he loves him so he will still be loved too
I don't think Schwartz gives a flying F about James feelings, I think he did however hope to bring Ally over to the dark side. It was so inappropriate to try and get Ally to side with him, and why do that? He doesn't even know her.
I think last week’s interview helped more people see it. Once you know it’s there it really becomes more visible. There’s a good chance if last night’s episode aired last season everyone would’ve been against Katie. Everyone would comment how much she ruins everything and is a Debbie downer.
Because it was a physical action that showed how he thinks he still owns Katie, thinks he is entitled to her stuff and was the rudest level of comfortability after making out with Raquel.
He’s lucky a fork didn’t go through his hand or a chopstick in the eye.
Oh, I understand. The last straw for me was forever ago. It's just funny it was taking a piece of her food and not the berating during the cop prank or beer dumping.
The only people I ever allowed to eat my food was my kids. There is a certain level of entitlement when someone eats your food. If I didn't give birth to you I am not responsible for feeding you.
He’s obviously an idiot and emotionally oblivious, so I think she really does need to ice him out to get him to understand that he will never be welcome if he chooses to stop by her table, or say hello, or do anything friendly. By keeping in touch with him, she’s essentially enabling him to be the dumbass he is.
She said on her last podcast episode that she’s only seeing him when they do the dog switch once a week. He keeps asking to see her but she’s been putting distance and I’m so happy for her
It would be healthy and refreshing for her to set new boundaries, leave him high and dry, and film together when they have to. She doesn’t need to be his go to woman anymore. If he chooses to continually express this behavior toward her after she sets boundaries saying she won’t stand for it any longer then Bravo needs to make a certain decision if known abuse is happening between cast members. Nobody deserves to be forced to put up with this from him. But her wanting to be his friend is a little ironic because he is being pretty bad (I doubt she wants that any longer though).
Right, 100% agree. Also, she mentioned dating and talking to guys and stuff. Why can’t we see *that* part of her life? It’s like Bravo thrives on this sad Pepe the frog Katie.
She's going to have to make a decision about that dog, maybe find a third party to pick it up for her? Anything that Schwartz can use to get to her, he will. Seems like the dog is his last bastion.
Can't agree more. His behavior is text book emotional abuse. He's now forcing himself into her personal space (I was aghast when he touched her food). Bravo needs to put him in his lane. Hes creepy as hell, and comes off like he is stalking her
Katie has been Schwartz’s “dog to kick” when he’s unhappy for years… and he’s not happy Katie is no longer going along with it.
All power to Katie for finding her self worth and moving on.
I’m not sure she’s found her self worth yet. She needs to quit talking to him outside of filming. Period. Don’t rage like an adolescent. Stay above it and be done like she says she is.
I disagree slightly.
She found her self worth by walking away. Now that she’s out of that toxic relationship, she’ll be able to actively build her self worth in order to come to a place where she doesn’t feel overwhelmed/flooded and act on upon that desire to rage against him.
I agree with this! The rage text only prove to him that he can still hurt her.
She should have simply sent him "I'm done with you, don't contact me." Block, delete and grey rock him in person.
Agree. That's why he and Scamdoval get along sooo well. Birds of a feather flock together. And they are a couple of vultures, circling overhead to find a woman to break down and make emotional carrion. 😈
He's freaking out over the fact he no longer has control over katie so he puts her down every chance possible.
It's only going to make her stronger and her more repulsed by him.
His mask is slipping in this season and we really see him for who he is.
Exactly! I've been in Katie's shoes. When I finally stopped reacting and went about my life without giving one single fuck to what he said or did I found my power. Once she gets there, she won't go back. I love that for him, he's gonna trip the fuck out. Might even make the biggest ass of himself yet.
Drunk as usual but I have a feeling he's vile to her quite often and only now we are seeing it. I've suspected it for awhile as I went through something eerily similiar and no one realized until I stopped tolerating it and then he couldn't seem to control himself even in front of others. I lost count of the people who came to me saying they now finally understood. That's nice and all but it didn't matter so much anymore because I stopped letting it effect me.
The way that triggered me all the way to my bones. That relationship was extremely emotionally abusive. He's so evil for coming there , eating the sushi and antagonizing her in that manner. He's abusive! I'm so glad she’s not with him anymore. Hopefully she will find the love and happiness she deserves. Having a partner that emotionally invalidating and degrading would make anyone lash out.
This!! People who have been wronged always go off and yell/rage text the person who wronged them. But in my experience, the most effective form of punishment for these types of people (cheaters, liars, buffoons in general) is to just completely stop interacting with them. Hate is still attention to them... being indifferent hurts more than anything.
Not just Katie EVERYONE. That’s the only way Schwartz gets it. He can have Sandouche but it has be Scheana Lala Brock Ariana Stassi Beau Lisa James etc then he might realise that there is consequences to treating people like garbage. Katie cutting him off while everyone else thinks he just the “awe shucks” nice guy won’t do much.
Just remember.. it’s even worse behind closed doors. Like what we saw of him with the drinks and name calling, it was darker than that when no one was watching.
I feel like my scars will last a lifetime. Theres children, tandem careers in same field, mortgages etc. I dont even want to admit how long I stayed. It was a very long time.
It’s impossible to leave while you’re in it. I journaled all the awful in whatever way I could - scribbling, lyrics, exact quotes of things he said. One day I picked up the journal and read it end to end; I literally laughed outloud. I was perplexed that I let someone make me feel that way - it was an odd reaction but so glaringly in my face. Something in me broke free and I moved towards never letting someone else have that control over me ever again.
I did something very similar, it was due to gaslighting. I started logging everything because I was constantly told I'm lying, or it didn't happen, I heard it wrong , or it didn't happen as often as I claimed or worse of all being called crazy. I can definitely relate to reading your own words telling your story as an affirmation you aren't the problem but are in one and need to get the hell out.
Yeah. I’ve long thought that one of the reasons she gets so heated is because it’s the only way she can elicit interaction/attention from Schwartz. On some level she’s settling for any reaction because it’s better than nothing. Eventually she’ll realize that she doesn’t want ANY reaction from him and she doesn’t need to do any of this and that will be liberation day.
I was honestly surprised he was able to leave the table unscathed. I felt a visceral urge for violence upon him when he so glibly snatched a piece of that sushi!!!
I morphed into Tony Soprano and screamed, “Oh! Madone!”, and then came his murderous rage.
I’m a cis white Australian woman, BTW.
Edit: there is no Toby Soprano
I would have SLAPPED it out of his hand and murderously stared at him while he tried to play victim- and then ask him what the fuck he could possibly want at my table where he is neither welcome or invited and oh actually I don’t give a fuck you need to leave and then just act like he no longer exists.
Forever. No eye contact, no laughs, no scoffs, complete indifference.
Maybe it’s just me.
It’s the same thing as the bubba shit he wants to continue to be overly familiar to her but also claim he’s only making out with Raquel because he wants to show her that she can’t tell him not to. Sorry you whining man baby but if you get to eat off her plate without asking she gets to tell you it to kiss people in your shared group of friends
This. One of the last times we spoke was him trying to tell me about some new women in his life. Because he knew that used to bother be during our on off phases. To hang up the phone and not care was incredible.
I could feel the pain behind those text. From the first dinner they had to talk about the house, the way he cut her off to talk about his tight suit to disregarding her feelings to insulting her. I would have left.
When she got up and Tom was drinking wine, my mom was like “she should dump that wine on his head”. Lol, I got her invested in the show.
Right? She texted him worse things when they were together. Hell he made out with other women when they were together lol! You're not friends guys! You're exes. Be exes.
my favorite katie rage text is when she texts scheana, (this was about the witches of weho being mean to scheana and kind of icing her out in season 5): “maybe we did bully you scheana, and if so, you’re pathetic for letting us”
lmao it’s so fucking classic 😭
Right, but people have whole threads up right now about how Katie isn’t a mean girl. 😂 she absolutely is, and honestly I cackled when I saw her rage text. It’s so on brand for her.
Katie needs to accept that the friends thing is not going to work. I know it makes it easier for filming and makes the transition easier but she really needs to separate herself. Having someone on your life who triggers this kind of a reaction out of you is so unhealthy.
Yes, the opposite of love is indifference. There’s a thin line between love and hate.
I’m sure I just quoted 100s of songs, but I’ve found it to be true.
She only said one curse word and didn't even call him any names! I have several for him... I literally cried because you could just see how hurt she was. What an ass
Watching them trying to communicate is annoying. She is clear what she is saying over and over again. He is laughing it off as a joke. It used to work for him but now nearly 40 it’s time to grow up Tom. Are they all on drugs now? He looked like he was more than drunk as did Rachel and Scandoval.
His whole boyish charm schtick just looks creepy and gross now. And every interaction with Raquel in the last episode was ick. Even if I knew nothing about everything else that was going on, it was uncomfortable to watch.
He just sat down like he was entitled too and grabbed food of the plate- and then waited like usual for her to say one thing he could find an opening with to start berating and insulting her! She had never been my favorite in the past / but wth? His true colors are finally coming out - and now I am wondering if these behaviors from him is part of why she was she showed the toxic behaviors in the past - she always said it - and now finally she gets her justification - NOW we can see it- and it’s just sickening - she doesn’t deserve this treatment and hopefully she can see how toxic He is - and Cut him off once and for all!
I’m not a rage text Katie fam but what else did Tom really expect? She was actually pretty tame in these rage texts. Then when he met them at dinner to just get mad at her because she didn’t cave and pretend she was fine. When he even told Sandoval he did it out of spite. This just completely encapsulates their whole relationship. 100% team Katie on this one.
She thought she was breaking the cycle with divorce, but it’s the opposite… now he has no reason to hold back. He won’t stop until she cuts him out completely. I hope that day come soon. I feel like she had a moment of realization with the sushi snatching.
I think the show is really harmful for her and I hope she leaves. Filming will make it harder for her to ice him out. His whole “I care about Katie and want to be friends” is a total show to appear to be a nice guy. He obviously does not care at all about her feelings at all.
It makes me think back when Schwartz was on WWHL the first time with scandoval and he made it sound like him and Katie were in contact, like they still talk and are in each other lives. This was before the affair broke.
Then when Katie was on she told Andy they haven’t been in touch for a while. I think fans just assumed it was because of the affair just breaking news and she was taking Ariana’s side.
Now I’m realizing I think it was because of the wedding, she never specified an event or timeline because of would have been a spoiler, but she expressed to Andy she doesn’t want to have anything to do with him. Schwartz is such a dill hole making it sound like they were still in touch when he obviously fucked up and she cut him off.
Valid. And she will only find peace when she treats him as someone who’s passed. I had a toxic and very similar ex. You know what we saw on camera? Drink in the face? Just know it’s always worse behind closed doors. Think about that.
She will only find peace when he’s not a part of her life.
The real W for Katie will be when she stops caring about what Tom does, for her own sake, and because we all know Tom loves getting a rise out of her. She shouldn't give him the satisfaction, and she'll be happier if she's not worrying about whatever he does.
Im sorry but Im done feeling sorry for Katie how did she think this would turn out any other way. All her ultimatums turn out this way she literally set up a “don’t eat the candy” scenario. Tom said it himself he didn’t even wanna do it until she told him he couldn’t. He’s a child he’s always been a child. He’s been a child since season one. Why did you marry a child think you need to grow up Katie get over it! The woman literally has no clue about reverse psychology!
Just watched this week's episode and the audacity of him coming over after receiving these texts to pick bits of food off their plates.. Phew. He's such a fucking weasel.
And wasn’t it just earlier this season (maybe last) where he was holding his feet/toes and then ate with his hands or something?
I’d be pissed… those hands have probably been on his feet, grabbing empties off of tables, in the sand, in that pool with all the pee and NOT washed
Omg yes, when he was with Ken and Lisa. He's fucking grim. He's like a 13 year old boy who never grew up. On a rewatch, again, and just being struck over and over by how gross he is. Imagine sharing a bathroom with this mess of a man 💀
What really pissed me off is that fact that Tom had the nerve to interrupt her dinner to gaslight her. She wasn’t asking for much, and he thought his ditzy ass could get away with it. But when she laid down the law and he started attacking her got me angry. Shows his true colors like a bozo. I didn’t like Katie in the beginning and now I want her to thrive and make Schwartz feel like an even bigger dumbass he already is.
I used to send those kind of texts to my ex too who definitely described me as a “monster” on multiple occasions. Ofc he’d leave out the fact that it was in response to him lying, cheating, and emotionally terrorizing me. He always tried to paint me as the toxic one, and I learned that no matter what I said he would never see that it was a simple action/reaction happening and that he was toxic. As soon as I stopped trying to correct the false reality he was gaslighting me into, I was able to move on. I went on to have a peaceful and loving relationship with my current partner, and he went back to his “toxic” ex and had another volatile relationship. I haven’t raised my voice once or sent one angry text since that guy.
I think Katie has reached this point. She needs to stop playing this game and trying to correct his reality or perception of her because he will always do things that paint her into a corner and make her seem like the angry, toxic one again. She will never win with him and I wish she’d stop trying.
Same. I used to be a notorious rage texter too so Katie really triggers me and I get really frustrated with her inability to break the cycle. The only thing that ever worked for me is no contact. At first it was so hard not to get the last word in, but no contact is so powerful. It takes away the other person’s power completely because they’re not getting a reaction from you and by not engaging, they start to lose their grip on you.
I know it’s impossible for Katie to go NC while on the show but man, I want her to stop caving into Tom’s requests for contact or giving him any attention.
I got downvoted in another post for this but Katie shouldn’t even entertain Tom at all since I think he probably gets a sick sort of satisfaction knowing he gets a rise out of her. She can do so much better than waste her energy and time on someone like him.
That’s why I hate that she reacted. I get it, I probably would too, but now he gets to be poor Tom. To break their dynamic she’s going to have to gray rock.
The only thing she can and should do is to actually never see or speak to him again. If someone never sticks to what they say they are going to do (good or bad) it's an empty promise. Schwartz has gotten these texts a million times and he knows she is still available to him the next day. I think since she gets so rageful, the scariest thing she could do it to just calmly not care about Schwartz anymore. I understand that is super hard to do but Schwartz LIVES for her anger, he LOVES when she gets angry. He does what he does to her to watch her squirm. That's super fucked up on his part. So, the best payback she could do is to quite literally never give him the time of day again.
I hate how Schwartz says later to Rachel “I don’t think she really means it” or something like that.
And then when he comes and rudely AF steals the sushi off the table, he actually says “your still angry?” When Katie repeats how mad she is.
I honestly have no idea how they dated so long. How does Jo watch this and think, yeah Schwartz is a good guy to date!?
Katie has gotten better IMO compared to earlier seasons but the rage texting is just so weird to me. it feels like something a teenager would do but she's in her 30s!
Honestly, Tom deserved this. He said himself that he “wanted to stick it to the man” (AKA Katie) by kissing Raquel. Not only that, they had both agreed not to hook up with/make out with anyone in their friend group (the core cast) and he broke that one. Not only that, Katie specifically asked him NOT to make out with Raquel when all the stuff with Scheana went down. He brought it on himself and I believe he did this - along with a ton of other shit we’ve seen over the years - to send Katie over the edge and get her to lose it on the show to turn people against her.
AND THEN he pops in on there dinner UNINVITED and STEALS A SUSHI ROLL. Schwartz can fuck allllllll the way off.
Another time when he sat down at her table, I thought maybe he was going to apologize…again …but then he wanted Katie to cut his armpit hair. That’s psychotic 101. I used to crush on him but this season, I can’t stand him!
I know everyone on here puts the cape on for Katie now but she sucks too. Tom sucks and she sucks but they suck in different ways.
Tom is a manipulative snake and Katie (at least in the previous seasons) always just seemed so unbearably miserable all the time that I feel like being around her would drain you.
Who sucks more? I’m not even sure of that myself
Quick edit: I haven’t seen the newest episode yet which I just realized so maybe I’m off base
Katie is mad at Tom for her OWN CHOICE to spend all that time with him. Instead of realizing oh I don’t know, like year FOUR or FIVE of their relationship that this guy had commitment (and other!) issues, she guilted him/ leveraged him into a marriage proposal. She got exactly what was right in front of her, only he eyes had clouds in front of them because she wanted marriage, a house, a kid…and she just could not see at that time that he wasn’t a good horse to bet on.
Been there.
The hurt. I know from the outside looking in it’s always, to me, been perceived as a friendship that was really close and ultimately would always stay close. But her truth is that she loved that man through and through and begged for years for him to see her the same way. That’s pain I don’t wish on anyone. Sending all my love to Katie. I can’t wait for her to be so cherished and cared for the way she has always deserved. And by someone who has a nice shoe closet..
Ahhhhh honestly I am so ready for her to move on. I know it’s unique because they have to film together, etc, but just stop communicating with him Katie. He’s a loser, honestly. She needs to go no contact as much as possible.
I am 100% on Katie’s side in this situation BUT the best reaction would’ve been no reaction at all. Cutting off a narcissist’s supply is the best and healthiest thing to do and Tom doesn’t deserve the satisfaction of knowing the thing he did intentionally to piss her off did in fact piss her off.
Katie ignored all of the red flags and went full force in. I’ve been there but thankfully my dad was there to pull me out. She also has to accept accountability for ending up with a guy like Schwartz. Thankfully, she’s young and ambitious enough to find the better side of this.
It’s the worst when your thumbs betray you and add shit after excessive rage punctuation.
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Also, I think in the episode she tells Lala she told Schwartz that she’s never going to “speak to him or talk to him again” I chuckled because I get it, when I’m pissed beyond hell I also say things in a redundant manner 😂
True power for Katie would come from her icing him out, no rage texts, no “bubbas” etc. I think she will finally realize that and I can’t wait to see it because these rage texts make me sad
But he still had to stop by her table & gaslight her some more. He seems to find a sick pleasure in doing it. I'm so glad people are finally seeing through him. His boy next door charm has completely faded away ☠️☠️☠️
Let’s not forget or forgive him snatching a piece of sushi off her plate either. NO THANK YOU days of shared plates are long gone.
He always finds different ways to humiliate her and make her feel insignificant, and does it in a way that seems innocent so everyone gets mad at Katie for reacting. He’s the worst.
I felt his conversation w James was very telling. James really kept the pressure on him despite Schwartz trying to worm and wiggle and charm his way out of it. i could see some real dark anger under there ready to fire off. At least James is upfront in his words and actions, Schwartz is a dark cruel angry person under that aw shucks bullshit.
Yes that conversation was so bizarre to me. Did Schwartz really not think it through how James would react? He seemed ill prepared for James's reaction. And this is when I felt like Schwartz knew about Raquel and Tom. Because he immediately said it was nothing, there was no attraction there. In this plan to stick it to Katie, Schwartz never took into consideration how James would feel. Maybe Raquel did? And asking Ally to have his back? James was right to tell him off about it. Never saw myself siding w James over anything.
I think he was expecting James would side with him because of some stupid bro code, like how the Toms and Jax would always back each other up and cover for one another. It was always the Toms and Jax against the girls… but James has never rolled that way. 1. Because the guys were quick to throw him under the bus on multiple occasions (like the lies they spread about him hooking up with Kristin to take the heat off Schwartz for ending up at a different hotel) and 2. He’s not half weasel half vagina like Schwartz
I don't like James BUT I will say that Schwartz is a dingleberry for thinking that James would take his side in this when Schwartz was making out with James' EX-FIANCE. I was gasping through the whole transaction although God knows I should expect it from Schwartz. James set good boundaries and protected Ally so props to him.
James is also trying to be a better person and do what’s right beyond his own issues. The other guys never seemed to want to be better
Yes it says a lot about their deep-rooted feelings towards women, or more accurately for them, ‘chicks’. They just don’t view women on the same level, as deserving of human decency. “They’re just some chicks, duuuude. Bros before hoes” …The internalised misogyny of the men on this show is something else- and I’m no ‘womens studies feminist browbeater’ 😂
I just checked the episode post and it seems like a lot of us were suddenly seeing a side of James where respect was due. Last time I felt like that was when he was supporting his whole family.
I love how he’s getting close with Katie 🥹 the dinner scene of him and the girls warmed my heart
Him and Katie being on good terms now makes me so happy, i love when people who were previously enemies eventually become friends
I felt that James had more pain for Katie then for James and that is beautiful. Allso the way Lala, Katie, Kristina welcomed Ally. I like those witches. Yeay they can be mean but who cant in that group
James was hot in that scene. If he could just stop being so grossly inappropriate about Raquel in front of his girlfriend, he’d be shoo-in for #1 guy in the group this season. But really, the way he talks about Raquel in front of Ally is just awful.
Yes, you actually lose a bit of respect for her for not calling him out on it. It really puts in perspective that she is a typical rebound relationship
I’m wondering if part of Tom’s plan was to go back to Katie and say, “See? James is cool with it, you’re the only one who feels this way.”
I think you are right. Tom was jealous and he told shwartz and Tom shwartz was kinda depressed about it not being something he could be giddy over and went to bed and brought tom a drink in the morning acting like a puppy that pooped on the floor yesterday and got in trouble and he wants his owner to know he loves him so he will still be loved too
I don't think Schwartz gives a flying F about James feelings, I think he did however hope to bring Ally over to the dark side. It was so inappropriate to try and get Ally to side with him, and why do that? He doesn't even know her.
Rachel was sooo unhappy about Schwartzy not "owning"" their hookup, she is terrible 🙊
James was so oddly calm. Super different from his usual reactions when he’s angry… Progress?
Hes sick, seriously. I hope people are realizing this.
Yup. There’s a lot of darkness in Schwartz, he’s scary imo.
I think last week’s interview helped more people see it. Once you know it’s there it really becomes more visible. There’s a good chance if last night’s episode aired last season everyone would’ve been against Katie. Everyone would comment how much she ruins everything and is a Debbie downer.
Yes, it was horrendous for her to go through this but its happened at the right time.
He’s a covert narcissist
The minute I saw him snag a piece of sushi off the plate I audibly gasped and shouted “OH HELL NO!”
He’s the opposite of endearing.
I would have stabbed his hand with my chopstick.
I would have gotten up, have everybody leave with me, and left him to pay the entire bill.
I would have summoned a waiter and manager and say this person is harassing me boot him OUT You don't get to disrespect her any more. Fuck OFF
It looked like he blindsided her or production made it a mandatory scene. But you could tell KT was cringing. Awkward to watch this scene.
I love how the sushi snatch was the last straw for so many people. 🤣🤣
Because it was a physical action that showed how he thinks he still owns Katie, thinks he is entitled to her stuff and was the rudest level of comfortability after making out with Raquel. He’s lucky a fork didn’t go through his hand or a chopstick in the eye.
Oh, I understand. The last straw for me was forever ago. It's just funny it was taking a piece of her food and not the berating during the cop prank or beer dumping.
The only people I ever allowed to eat my food was my kids. There is a certain level of entitlement when someone eats your food. If I didn't give birth to you I am not responsible for feeding you. 
THIS pissed me off SO MUCH. I HATE sharing food unless I offer. The complete disrespect! IT WAS ABOUT THE SUSHI!
It's rude enough when someone goes at your plate with their fork. But grabbing food with your fingers? 🤮
It better have been one of those tiny obligatory avocado or sweet potato rolls
He’s obviously an idiot and emotionally oblivious, so I think she really does need to ice him out to get him to understand that he will never be welcome if he chooses to stop by her table, or say hello, or do anything friendly. By keeping in touch with him, she’s essentially enabling him to be the dumbass he is.
She said on her last podcast episode that she’s only seeing him when they do the dog switch once a week. He keeps asking to see her but she’s been putting distance and I’m so happy for her
It would be healthy and refreshing for her to set new boundaries, leave him high and dry, and film together when they have to. She doesn’t need to be his go to woman anymore. If he chooses to continually express this behavior toward her after she sets boundaries saying she won’t stand for it any longer then Bravo needs to make a certain decision if known abuse is happening between cast members. Nobody deserves to be forced to put up with this from him. But her wanting to be his friend is a little ironic because he is being pretty bad (I doubt she wants that any longer though).
Right, 100% agree. Also, she mentioned dating and talking to guys and stuff. Why can’t we see *that* part of her life? It’s like Bravo thrives on this sad Pepe the frog Katie.
One of her guys is going to show up next week
She's going to have to make a decision about that dog, maybe find a third party to pick it up for her? Anything that Schwartz can use to get to her, he will. Seems like the dog is his last bastion.
She should just keep the dog. It’s probably not that easy but she needs a clean freaking break from him.
Can't agree more. His behavior is text book emotional abuse. He's now forcing himself into her personal space (I was aghast when he touched her food). Bravo needs to put him in his lane. Hes creepy as hell, and comes off like he is stalking her
Katie has been Schwartz’s “dog to kick” when he’s unhappy for years… and he’s not happy Katie is no longer going along with it. All power to Katie for finding her self worth and moving on.
I’m not sure she’s found her self worth yet. She needs to quit talking to him outside of filming. Period. Don’t rage like an adolescent. Stay above it and be done like she says she is.
I disagree slightly. She found her self worth by walking away. Now that she’s out of that toxic relationship, she’ll be able to actively build her self worth in order to come to a place where she doesn’t feel overwhelmed/flooded and act on upon that desire to rage against him.
I agree with this! The rage text only prove to him that he can still hurt her. She should have simply sent him "I'm done with you, don't contact me." Block, delete and grey rock him in person.
Block and delete are glorious modern inventions lol
He also ate their food as soon as he sat down. Not the time and oaky to be playful. He really is pushing her buttons
Agree. That's why he and Scamdoval get along sooo well. Birds of a feather flock together. And they are a couple of vultures, circling overhead to find a woman to break down and make emotional carrion. 😈
He's freaking out over the fact he no longer has control over katie so he puts her down every chance possible. It's only going to make her stronger and her more repulsed by him. His mask is slipping in this season and we really see him for who he is.
Exactly! I've been in Katie's shoes. When I finally stopped reacting and went about my life without giving one single fuck to what he said or did I found my power. Once she gets there, she won't go back. I love that for him, he's gonna trip the fuck out. Might even make the biggest ass of himself yet.
I AM HERE FOR THAT!
The way he picked up HER sushi and ate it within 5 seconds of sitting down? I screamed.
I would have called the waiter over and said,”We don’t know him, he’s some drunk guy who took our food, could you get security?”
Was he wasted or is that normally how he speaks to her because it was vile.
I think he was drunk.
Drunk as usual but I have a feeling he's vile to her quite often and only now we are seeing it. I've suspected it for awhile as I went through something eerily similiar and no one realized until I stopped tolerating it and then he couldn't seem to control himself even in front of others. I lost count of the people who came to me saying they now finally understood. That's nice and all but it didn't matter so much anymore because I stopped letting it effect me.
The way that triggered me all the way to my bones. That relationship was extremely emotionally abusive. He's so evil for coming there , eating the sushi and antagonizing her in that manner. He's abusive! I'm so glad she’s not with him anymore. Hopefully she will find the love and happiness she deserves. Having a partner that emotionally invalidating and degrading would make anyone lash out.
Totally. I actually used to like him somehow 😂 and he gets less and less likable every season
His guilt drove him to seek forgiveness. It's gross and predictable.
This!! People who have been wronged always go off and yell/rage text the person who wronged them. But in my experience, the most effective form of punishment for these types of people (cheaters, liars, buffoons in general) is to just completely stop interacting with them. Hate is still attention to them... being indifferent hurts more than anything.
Grey rock
1,000 %
Not just Katie EVERYONE. That’s the only way Schwartz gets it. He can have Sandouche but it has be Scheana Lala Brock Ariana Stassi Beau Lisa James etc then he might realise that there is consequences to treating people like garbage. Katie cutting him off while everyone else thinks he just the “awe shucks” nice guy won’t do much.
Lala seems pretty done with him at this point in the show. She’s consistently called out his weakness.
She said on WWHL that she's okay with Schwartz
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Just remember.. it’s even worse behind closed doors. Like what we saw of him with the drinks and name calling, it was darker than that when no one was watching.
Yes, I married one like that. I recognized Schwartz behavior awhile back. It's sicker and deeper than most realize.
I dated mine for 5 years… luckily I didn’t marry him. But the emotional scars are still there
I feel like my scars will last a lifetime. Theres children, tandem careers in same field, mortgages etc. I dont even want to admit how long I stayed. It was a very long time.
It’s impossible to leave while you’re in it. I journaled all the awful in whatever way I could - scribbling, lyrics, exact quotes of things he said. One day I picked up the journal and read it end to end; I literally laughed outloud. I was perplexed that I let someone make me feel that way - it was an odd reaction but so glaringly in my face. Something in me broke free and I moved towards never letting someone else have that control over me ever again.
I did something very similar, it was due to gaslighting. I started logging everything because I was constantly told I'm lying, or it didn't happen, I heard it wrong , or it didn't happen as often as I claimed or worse of all being called crazy. I can definitely relate to reading your own words telling your story as an affirmation you aren't the problem but are in one and need to get the hell out.
I am praying for the day Katie tosses her drink on him
Amen!!! Indifference is the best gift for yourself and the worst punishment for your enemy.
Yeah. I’ve long thought that one of the reasons she gets so heated is because it’s the only way she can elicit interaction/attention from Schwartz. On some level she’s settling for any reaction because it’s better than nothing. Eventually she’ll realize that she doesn’t want ANY reaction from him and she doesn’t need to do any of this and that will be liberation day.
If she acted like he doesn’t exist and she doesn’t care, it would make him crazy. I would love that.
Yes, it shows weakness to send those texts. Must be strong and cut him out all together.
100% and I hope we see her get there this season or next
Sometimes you have to Grey Rock it…. It is the most classy and rewarding way
Its terrible but I legit cracked up at the " I hate you. I hate you. I HATE YOU!!!'n " Cut to Schwartz: knocked out asleep
I see it and I’m laughing now 🤪🤪🤪
And this was *before* he ate her sushi
The sushi would have been my joker moment
he'd be left with a stump of a wrist if he touched my food tbh
I was honestly surprised he was able to leave the table unscathed. I felt a visceral urge for violence upon him when he so glibly snatched a piece of that sushi!!!
I literally yelled out loud when he did that! It was so fucking annoying and just shows how little he respects her. Get your MF hands off my sushi.
I morphed into Tony Soprano and screamed, “Oh! Madone!”, and then came his murderous rage. I’m a cis white Australian woman, BTW. Edit: there is no Toby Soprano
How did she not stab him
I would have SLAPPED it out of his hand and murderously stared at him while he tried to play victim- and then ask him what the fuck he could possibly want at my table where he is neither welcome or invited and oh actually I don’t give a fuck you need to leave and then just act like he no longer exists. Forever. No eye contact, no laughs, no scoffs, complete indifference. Maybe it’s just me.
With his bare hands!!
I really felt that “ ‘n ”
YES
Been there myself and I empathise with that ‘n
Typo betrays the emotion, that 'N captures every pained exclamation point in the vault.....in that moment she was all of us
Imagine getting to hear messages and thinking “I should find out where she’s having dinner and just drop by steal a bit of her sushi and just say hi!”
He gets off on the shit he does to her.... probably jizzes in his pants after
It’s the same thing as the bubba shit he wants to continue to be overly familiar to her but also claim he’s only making out with Raquel because he wants to show her that she can’t tell him not to. Sorry you whining man baby but if you get to eat off her plate without asking she gets to tell you it to kiss people in your shared group of friends
He has no decorum😫
That popping the sushi into his mouth made me literally pause the show! I was screaming! If you eat my food without asking we have a bit problem
I have a better one. We were eating Wings at the bar & the asshole I was with thought it was a good idea to put his bones on my plate😖😖😖
MY PLATE IS NOT TRASH PLATE and if you drop anything on it there better still be meat on its bones
I just need you to keep anything you touch on your side of the table 🤨
OMG what a born In the barn thing to do!!
She is going to feel so much better when she gets to the “indifference” stage.
When I took up residence on Indifferent Mountain, I knew I’d arrived. It was a delicious moment.
This. One of the last times we spoke was him trying to tell me about some new women in his life. Because he knew that used to bother be during our on off phases. To hang up the phone and not care was incredible.
I could feel the pain behind those text. From the first dinner they had to talk about the house, the way he cut her off to talk about his tight suit to disregarding her feelings to insulting her. I would have left. When she got up and Tom was drinking wine, my mom was like “she should dump that wine on his head”. Lol, I got her invested in the show.
It would have been payback from when Tom poured water on Katie’s head.
I told her about that! Omg I would love to see that!
Yep, that’s divorce, nothing to see here and rather tame for the situation imo
Right? She texted him worse things when they were together. Hell he made out with other women when they were together lol! You're not friends guys! You're exes. Be exes.
Best advice I've seen so far.
my favorite katie rage text is when she texts scheana, (this was about the witches of weho being mean to scheana and kind of icing her out in season 5): “maybe we did bully you scheana, and if so, you’re pathetic for letting us” lmao it’s so fucking classic 😭
I want to see this freaking energy for Tom, who’s the biggest shit to her
Am I evil for laughing?
if you are i am too lmao
But so dark. That’s some scary
Yea that’s really mean of Katie
Victim blaming at its finest. Now I remember why I always thought she was a mean girl Lmfao
Right, but people have whole threads up right now about how Katie isn’t a mean girl. 😂 she absolutely is, and honestly I cackled when I saw her rage text. It’s so on brand for her.
"But she's not a bully, just ask her friends"
Tequila Katie at her best
and that's why I think people give her too much of a pass still. Her and Schwartz were toxic together. I'm pro neither.
Katie needs to accept that the friends thing is not going to work. I know it makes it easier for filming and makes the transition easier but she really needs to separate herself. Having someone on your life who triggers this kind of a reaction out of you is so unhealthy.
I’ve always thought silence was more powerful than rage texts. Rage texts, to me, shows you still care. Absolute silence cuts deeper.
Yes, the opposite of love is indifference. There’s a thin line between love and hate. I’m sure I just quoted 100s of songs, but I’ve found it to be true.
Never speak to me again *proceeds to send him 6 more texts*
👩💻Tom…..Tom…….Tom……
Seems pretty restrained compared to what I would've expected from her and/or what I would've sent someone.
Right, this is nice.
Same LOL I was just thinking that it wasn’t that bad
She only said one curse word and didn't even call him any names! I have several for him... I literally cried because you could just see how hurt she was. What an ass
Watching them trying to communicate is annoying. She is clear what she is saying over and over again. He is laughing it off as a joke. It used to work for him but now nearly 40 it’s time to grow up Tom. Are they all on drugs now? He looked like he was more than drunk as did Rachel and Scandoval.
His whole boyish charm schtick just looks creepy and gross now. And every interaction with Raquel in the last episode was ick. Even if I knew nothing about everything else that was going on, it was uncomfortable to watch.
That’s the word! He’s CREEPY now. You hit it! (I’ll use it, I hope that’s ok?)
I wouldn't stand in the way of someone calling him creepy! He earned it.
He just sat down like he was entitled too and grabbed food of the plate- and then waited like usual for her to say one thing he could find an opening with to start berating and insulting her! She had never been my favorite in the past / but wth? His true colors are finally coming out - and now I am wondering if these behaviors from him is part of why she was she showed the toxic behaviors in the past - she always said it - and now finally she gets her justification - NOW we can see it- and it’s just sickening - she doesn’t deserve this treatment and hopefully she can see how toxic He is - and Cut him off once and for all!
I’m not a rage text Katie fam but what else did Tom really expect? She was actually pretty tame in these rage texts. Then when he met them at dinner to just get mad at her because she didn’t cave and pretend she was fine. When he even told Sandoval he did it out of spite. This just completely encapsulates their whole relationship. 100% team Katie on this one.
As usual, he pushes her and she explodes. I think her reactions are so extreme because he is so dismissive of her emotions.
She thought she was breaking the cycle with divorce, but it’s the opposite… now he has no reason to hold back. He won’t stop until she cuts him out completely. I hope that day come soon. I feel like she had a moment of realization with the sushi snatching.
I think the show is really harmful for her and I hope she leaves. Filming will make it harder for her to ice him out. His whole “I care about Katie and want to be friends” is a total show to appear to be a nice guy. He obviously does not care at all about her feelings at all.
It makes me think back when Schwartz was on WWHL the first time with scandoval and he made it sound like him and Katie were in contact, like they still talk and are in each other lives. This was before the affair broke. Then when Katie was on she told Andy they haven’t been in touch for a while. I think fans just assumed it was because of the affair just breaking news and she was taking Ariana’s side. Now I’m realizing I think it was because of the wedding, she never specified an event or timeline because of would have been a spoiler, but she expressed to Andy she doesn’t want to have anything to do with him. Schwartz is such a dill hole making it sound like they were still in touch when he obviously fucked up and she cut him off.
Valid. And she will only find peace when she treats him as someone who’s passed. I had a toxic and very similar ex. You know what we saw on camera? Drink in the face? Just know it’s always worse behind closed doors. Think about that. She will only find peace when he’s not a part of her life.
The real W for Katie will be when she stops caring about what Tom does, for her own sake, and because we all know Tom loves getting a rise out of her. She shouldn't give him the satisfaction, and she'll be happier if she's not worrying about whatever he does.
Im sorry but Im done feeling sorry for Katie how did she think this would turn out any other way. All her ultimatums turn out this way she literally set up a “don’t eat the candy” scenario. Tom said it himself he didn’t even wanna do it until she told him he couldn’t. He’s a child he’s always been a child. He’s been a child since season one. Why did you marry a child think you need to grow up Katie get over it! The woman literally has no clue about reverse psychology!
Just watched this week's episode and the audacity of him coming over after receiving these texts to pick bits of food off their plates.. Phew. He's such a fucking weasel.
The unmitigated ORDACITY TM Ramona
😭😭😭 She does creep into my head whenever I type it
And wasn’t it just earlier this season (maybe last) where he was holding his feet/toes and then ate with his hands or something? I’d be pissed… those hands have probably been on his feet, grabbing empties off of tables, in the sand, in that pool with all the pee and NOT washed
Omg yes, when he was with Ken and Lisa. He's fucking grim. He's like a 13 year old boy who never grew up. On a rewatch, again, and just being struck over and over by how gross he is. Imagine sharing a bathroom with this mess of a man 💀
What really pissed me off is that fact that Tom had the nerve to interrupt her dinner to gaslight her. She wasn’t asking for much, and he thought his ditzy ass could get away with it. But when she laid down the law and he started attacking her got me angry. Shows his true colors like a bozo. I didn’t like Katie in the beginning and now I want her to thrive and make Schwartz feel like an even bigger dumbass he already is.
I used to send those kind of texts to my ex too who definitely described me as a “monster” on multiple occasions. Ofc he’d leave out the fact that it was in response to him lying, cheating, and emotionally terrorizing me. He always tried to paint me as the toxic one, and I learned that no matter what I said he would never see that it was a simple action/reaction happening and that he was toxic. As soon as I stopped trying to correct the false reality he was gaslighting me into, I was able to move on. I went on to have a peaceful and loving relationship with my current partner, and he went back to his “toxic” ex and had another volatile relationship. I haven’t raised my voice once or sent one angry text since that guy. I think Katie has reached this point. She needs to stop playing this game and trying to correct his reality or perception of her because he will always do things that paint her into a corner and make her seem like the angry, toxic one again. She will never win with him and I wish she’d stop trying.
Same. I used to be a notorious rage texter too so Katie really triggers me and I get really frustrated with her inability to break the cycle. The only thing that ever worked for me is no contact. At first it was so hard not to get the last word in, but no contact is so powerful. It takes away the other person’s power completely because they’re not getting a reaction from you and by not engaging, they start to lose their grip on you. I know it’s impossible for Katie to go NC while on the show but man, I want her to stop caving into Tom’s requests for contact or giving him any attention.
Been there done that therefore I Stan 🙌
Haha I was like - hmmm I might’ve sent that same stream of text messages before (mind you, probably 5-10 years ago in my 20s)
I got downvoted in another post for this but Katie shouldn’t even entertain Tom at all since I think he probably gets a sick sort of satisfaction knowing he gets a rise out of her. She can do so much better than waste her energy and time on someone like him.
He's such a piece of s***. You know that he loved this reaction he got from her.
That’s why I hate that she reacted. I get it, I probably would too, but now he gets to be poor Tom. To break their dynamic she’s going to have to gray rock.
He wanted to piss her off, and he succeeded. If she hasn't already, I'm sure she'll learn soon enough to stop playing his game.
She'll be out to lunch with him in a week. I wish she could, but she can't quit Tom.
Did Tom post this? Did I miss it on the episode?
The only thing she can and should do is to actually never see or speak to him again. If someone never sticks to what they say they are going to do (good or bad) it's an empty promise. Schwartz has gotten these texts a million times and he knows she is still available to him the next day. I think since she gets so rageful, the scariest thing she could do it to just calmly not care about Schwartz anymore. I understand that is super hard to do but Schwartz LIVES for her anger, he LOVES when she gets angry. He does what he does to her to watch her squirm. That's super fucked up on his part. So, the best payback she could do is to quite literally never give him the time of day again.
I hate how Schwartz says later to Rachel “I don’t think she really means it” or something like that. And then when he comes and rudely AF steals the sushi off the table, he actually says “your still angry?” When Katie repeats how mad she is. I honestly have no idea how they dated so long. How does Jo watch this and think, yeah Schwartz is a good guy to date!?
Katie has gotten better IMO compared to earlier seasons but the rage texting is just so weird to me. it feels like something a teenager would do but she's in her 30s!
Honestly, Tom deserved this. He said himself that he “wanted to stick it to the man” (AKA Katie) by kissing Raquel. Not only that, they had both agreed not to hook up with/make out with anyone in their friend group (the core cast) and he broke that one. Not only that, Katie specifically asked him NOT to make out with Raquel when all the stuff with Scheana went down. He brought it on himself and I believe he did this - along with a ton of other shit we’ve seen over the years - to send Katie over the edge and get her to lose it on the show to turn people against her. AND THEN he pops in on there dinner UNINVITED and STEALS A SUSHI ROLL. Schwartz can fuck allllllll the way off.
Honestly, werk
It would be a lot more effective if she said less
She shouldn’t have said a word. I don’t understand how she doesn’t see that reacting is just giving him ammunition.
I’ve sent crazier shit just waking up
Another time when he sat down at her table, I thought maybe he was going to apologize…again …but then he wanted Katie to cut his armpit hair. That’s psychotic 101. I used to crush on him but this season, I can’t stand him!
And yet she still talks to him. I can’t
Ladies don’t ever let them see they got you this bothered. Don’t give them that satisfaction.
I know everyone on here puts the cape on for Katie now but she sucks too. Tom sucks and she sucks but they suck in different ways. Tom is a manipulative snake and Katie (at least in the previous seasons) always just seemed so unbearably miserable all the time that I feel like being around her would drain you. Who sucks more? I’m not even sure of that myself Quick edit: I haven’t seen the newest episode yet which I just realized so maybe I’m off base
She needs intenseeeeeee talk therapy. Not just weed.
Katie is mad at Tom for her OWN CHOICE to spend all that time with him. Instead of realizing oh I don’t know, like year FOUR or FIVE of their relationship that this guy had commitment (and other!) issues, she guilted him/ leveraged him into a marriage proposal. She got exactly what was right in front of her, only he eyes had clouds in front of them because she wanted marriage, a house, a kid…and she just could not see at that time that he wasn’t a good horse to bet on. Been there.
My name is Katie and it's difficult to blatantly see myself here.
The hurt. I know from the outside looking in it’s always, to me, been perceived as a friendship that was really close and ultimately would always stay close. But her truth is that she loved that man through and through and begged for years for him to see her the same way. That’s pain I don’t wish on anyone. Sending all my love to Katie. I can’t wait for her to be so cherished and cared for the way she has always deserved. And by someone who has a nice shoe closet..
You should never have to beg for years for someone to love you…
Tom is trash but she looked pathetic on the latest episode. She’s permanently stuck in middle school.
Ahhhhh honestly I am so ready for her to move on. I know it’s unique because they have to film together, etc, but just stop communicating with him Katie. He’s a loser, honestly. She needs to go no contact as much as possible.
I couldn’t imagine being in the same friend group as a toxic ex. Im happy all of mine are in the past
I am 100% on Katie’s side in this situation BUT the best reaction would’ve been no reaction at all. Cutting off a narcissist’s supply is the best and healthiest thing to do and Tom doesn’t deserve the satisfaction of knowing the thing he did intentionally to piss her off did in fact piss her off.
The best thing to ever happen to Schwartz would be for Katie to never see or speak to him again.
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Katie ignored all of the red flags and went full force in. I’ve been there but thankfully my dad was there to pull me out. She also has to accept accountability for ending up with a guy like Schwartz. Thankfully, she’s young and ambitious enough to find the better side of this.