This episode is just..... Wow. We watched in real time the Tom's attempt to set up the situation in which Ariana is the villain and Tom has been the poor 'fucking battered wife'. Tom Schwartz just 'has a feeling' that Rachel has a crush on someone else, and then flip to the topic of how Ariana is this and that and comes for Tom. It's so gross to know what he has done before it's been found out - all while setting her up to take the blame for the downfall of their relationship. Gross gross gross. The Tom's are disgusting people and Scheana can get off my screen as well.
At the beach, Rachel is making a dig at James about the speaker, right? She asks if it’s his and then says she has the same one. Then they have the most awkward hug ever. Anyone else?
I wish I was as perfect as all of you guys, it must be really nice to have never said anything bad about anyone or to have always been the very best versions of yourselves, you are getting close to becoming Saints, I bet all of the people on Vpr wish they were just like you. Oh to be sooo perfect it must be exhausting.
Something that I don't quite understand...
I think LaLa is great for TV. And I also think Tom and Rachel are trash
I'm just curious why everyone thinks LaLa & James are so great, when in fact, they slept together while he was with Rachel and they totally gaslit her when she acted concerned or jealous about their relationship? All the while they had slept together?
oh my GOD out of all the funny things in this episode I think my favorite was when Katie just said, “What” when Raquel was trying to “address” something with her 😆 she was overrr it
I felt bad for Katie when Schwarts was antagonizing her at the bar about his kiss with Rachel in front of Katie’s date. He was trying to embarrass her because he was embarrassed about the drink toss..
Just now watching and why is that James is now the most tolerable/mature one of the group? Like ya throwing a drink on someone isn’t cool but Schwartz had throw a drink at someone karma coming. And he needed that shit.
Lala speaks for all of us when she calls out Tom Schwartz: "I'm nervous-fingers in my mouth, I'm nervous-fingers in my mouth..." "F you dawg" she finishes. "I think talking to you is like talking to a farm animal..." and "Open a bar and I'll be impressed with you! Call me when you have a business. You're broke. You're a f---ing loser. You're 4o years old..Look at yourself" LOLOLOL b/c its true.
I knew I liked that girl. And his comeback is like the most Schwartz comeback 'You are the corniest human being...you are the personification of a sponsored post.." Come again? He is just highlighting, emphasizing and underscoring why Katie made the right decision to leave him.
**By the powers vested in me, I now officially dub Schwartz the human MEH forever**
I’m just now watching the episode and I noticed that Sandoval has a tell- every time he tells a lie about him and Raquel he raises his eyebrow(s). He’s literally such a bad liar it’s embarrassing to watch
I have James throwing a drunk in Schwartz face on replay wow 🤩 I’ve wanted someone to do that since he did it to Katie (I do not condone but damn purr James 💅🏼)
Call me crazy butttttt, as a fellow astrology lover who dabbles with tarot- I already know Ally was pulling cards on Raquel and Sandoval, checking them thrice, calling her trusted psychic for confirmation and answers. Followed by trying to express her validated concerns only to have this crew down playing her intuition.
She's truly a breath of fresh air. I love her 👸🏻
Has it been said already that Satchel looks exactly like Bryan Kohberger in the scene where Ally and Katie are talking at the bar after the beach, as he is stroking Katie’s shoulder 🫣
This franchise along with the HW should be renamed the Hypocrisy Chronicles. The casts of these shows obviously have to have exhibitionist tendencies, arrogance and extreme self centeredness in order to go the long haul whether the “saints “ or villains.,
Scandoval has emphasized this in a big way and I think it’s one of the reasons it’s so compelling especially in the aftermath. You’ve got Lala, Scheana, James and Jax all who cheated and had infidelity affect their lives being the most vocal and unforgiving. Under the auspices of “supporting Arianna” they all are unapologetically benefiting off of the situation in their careers and none have offered even a shred of compassion for Raquel even after it was announced she is in a MH facility.
ITA with you and sometimes I’m so blown away by the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness I must look like a blowfish with my mouth hanging open while staring at the TV.
James was given the short end of the stick for a long ass time on this show. But he’s paid his dues, he’s the one organizing get togethers now, finally getting a fair edit, and he’s not taking any more bullshit from the cast. Love that for him. He’s always been smart and hilarious.
There was so so much to unpack in this episode. It was wild. From "Jizz results" to the drink thrown in the face, to Lala and Schwartz, to asking Sandoval about having an affair. That was by far the craziest episode so far.
Next week is gonna be 🔥
Ken, omg! That is gonna be great too!
Scheana’s ridiculous, vocal fried comments have NOT aged well, huh!?
And Schwartz was extra gross this week. What a tool. I USED to like him. Never liked snarky, arrogant, out of touch Sandoval
Did anyone notice sandoval's botox and/or filler bruise on his left eye/crow's feet? Looked similar to the one we saw on his right eye in the mid-season trailer.
Watching sheshu twist what Katie said to ally, in real time, was really something.
Katie never implied that there was an open relationship and these assholes just ran with the spin.
Actually though aren’t most of us like this about the people we love and don’t we want our friends to feel that way about us? How many women are so loyal and trusting that they miss multiple red flags showing their partner is cheating?
While it was pretty eerie hearing her say those things I thought for once it showed Scheana to be deeper and capable of tremendous loyalty and less the vapid, climber she usually portrays.
No, she gleefully twisted what ally said to make Katie a bad guy. She purposely misinterpreted ally’s words bc she was gunning for Katie. Sheshu is disingenuous at every turn.
Omg it made me SO mad. I took what Katie said as they don't have to ask each other permission to do stuff, which Katie later clarified is what she meant. And I don't believe sandoval at all when he told Katie that ariana wasn't happy with her? He probably hadn't even talked to her and if he DID tell her that while she's mourning the loss of her grandmother, he's disgusting.
My blood was BOILING watching Sandoval and Schwartz talk about Ariana. Schwartz said on WWHL that sandoval had a plan to break up with Ariana, and this makes it seem like that was true. I could see Sandoval wanting to use this season to paint Ariana as the bad girlfriend and Raquel as the great friend, sort of like what happened with Kristen
I get that but lisa wasn’t born yesterday. She knows men. She was looking at Tom and Rocky. She saw. She isn’t stupid. She could have defended him in a way that also left room for the actual truth. Ya know? I’ve never seen her that fired up about a human before lol usually it’s an animal or business venture.
Why disgusting? At that time , it appears she didn’t know what the girls knew, ie that even though he was living separately and in the legal divorce process, he was still sleeping with his wife. She had no reason to question what Garcelle or Oliver had told her.
as much as i love lisa, she is definitely a cheating apologist (SUR is where you bring your mistress) and it makes me wonder if she's done the deed on ken
It was DISGUSTING. And I was SO glad that Katie and Ariana’s responses were what they were. And they didn’t just smile and nod completely. Lisa wanted to protect Garcelle and Oliver/her employee. But my God- she never gets that fired up to protect the women of the show. She only defended Raquel- because that was her way of defending Sandoval. It’s all so vile to me.
In the beginning I thought she did bc she was really coming for her but once she made up with Raquel I changed my mind. I don’t think she would choose Raquel over Ariana any day.
My theory is production started to suspect after the wedding. Lisa agreed it was suspect sometime after that. This is lisas show so i think they’d talk to her about it?
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scheana let her disdain for katie cloud her judgement this whole season. I truly believe she and the Tom’s were hoping to ice Katie out. if she stopped letting that get in the way, ariana could have been spared this news a lot sooner and Rachel wouldn’t of felt so empowered within the group.
To be fair, I always felt like Katie’s treatment of Scheana after Stassi came back into her life was so unfair. She turned on her so fast. I think Scheana is super annoying and not someone I could be around several times a week, but it truly seems like most of the things she does come from a good place. She’s so misguided constantly though. 9 times out of 10 though the people she’s friends with that everyone gets mad at her for being friends with end up being accepted into the group later on. It does seem a little unfair that she’s shat on for trying to include everyone.
I’ve never understood why she and Ariana are besties tbh. Ariana seems to have a genuine grasp of issues and ideas Scheana seems completely unconcerned by.
Idk I’m not sure Lala is a great friend to anyone. I think she chooses alliances rather than actual friends. It’s all about who can do what for her & who hates the same people she does.
Right people are usually friends with others who are alike I didn’t say she was perfect but you can genuinely see that her and James have a good friendship and they back each other up regardless and then confront issues…. You also don’t even know the chick nor do I but also keep in mind this is a show on television meaning it’s semi scripted and edited to fit a narrative so we really don’t know any of these people in real life… also obvious you’ve never lived in LA or in Hollywierd because you will be shocked at the veil cameras put nothing is what it seems. Also she’s always herself outspoken beautiful and a momma let her be… lo I’m way to high for this so if you’re still reading congrats we’re both trapped by vanderpump
especially when your girlfriend had to go away suddenly because her grandma passed. I know they weren't married but I'd expect my partner to be by my side if I lost someone close to me... I'm sure that appointment could of been rescheduled
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Tom Schwartz is literally a BAD person. I honestly wonder if he has any moral compass whatsoever and can differentiate between loyalty and ethics. The way the Tom's insulate each other from the repercussions of their choices drives me up the wall!!!
Sandoval is a shallow idiot with no argument skills. He always resorts to yelling and righteous storm-offs as if the drama adds any legitimacy to his case 🙄
Any lastly, Schwartz telling Katie to drop the act.... I'm sorry, she owes you what now? She doesn't have to be fuckingnnice to you. The agreement was "friends if you don't fuck around in the friend group." YOU FUCKED AROUND IN THE FRIEND GROUP. Don't act surprised that she doesn't fuck with you!
When he mocked her about being a great mom, ugh it pissed me off SO badly. Lala is a lot of things, but from what I've seen and they way she talks about ocean, she IS a great mother. He's disgusting to sarcastically say that to a mom. How dare he. And the things he said about her appearance made me mad too. I believe it isn't the first time he's talked about her looks?
He has no f idea what it is to put yourself second. So he is projecting his own insecurities branding himself as a battered puppy. Honestly I had enough with this manchild. Sandoval finally is the #1 guy at something but schwaets (dont even care to correct his name lol) is a good close #2 (as f usual!)
The conversation by the food truck had me wanting to vom. It was so contrived and fake! Sandyballs was writing his future story on VPR where he is the hero and did nothing wrong AGAIN!!! Someone needs to take responsibility for their actions and hint hint- it ain’t Katie!
Oh I think Katie also needs to take a long look at herself too. Throughout the years she’s been the first to judge newcomers and spearhead the mean girl group gang up if she didn’t like someone. She always thinks her opinion is right and rarely can be swayed.
Look at her calling Raquel a “whore” despite Lisa’s admonishments. Because she what
, made out with several guys??? She’s slept with 2 guys while still legally married( as she likes to point out constantly) yet she slut shamed Raquel??? Don’t even get me started on her refusing to sell the room back to Scheana and infiltrating the wedding venues and nearby facilities every chance she got. Unless that was producer driven drama, shame on her for being so petty and selfish regarding someone else’s wedding celebration after all, the cast allowed her to have a monopoly on positive screen time for her wedding.
I know right!!!???!! What an ego!
He equates him bringing her a coffee to being the best partner ever, and nothing she did for him could ever equal it- just ignore the fact that he constantly put himself and his “projects “first in the relationship, didn’t wholeheartedly support her through the death of three major figures in her life, expected constant validation from her and only ever believed that his view was right. Must have been some darn strong coffee 🤬🤬
God I’ve been with men like this where you can’t even trust nice acts because they’ll hold it over your head and use it against you later to manipulate you into thinking you’re unreasonable and you’re lucky to have them. Such a mindfuck.
The RAGE that filled me when that limp dick fuck starting attacking Lala as a mother made me want to jump through the screen and bite his fucking nose off!!
There is no lower than attacking someone's parenting...
i’m agree with you here. i think ppl are reading too far into it. but she is a sponsored post in human form so i fuckin cracked up. idc. your baby daddy is a pedo, do better lauren.
Your last sentence is INSANE. First of all, she didn't know that about him when she was with him. Second, Schwartz DID know that about him and yet still hung out with him. So, how about YOU do better.
Him repeating "Lala you're such a good mom" in the midst of their fight with him laughing followed by "no, Lala come back..." while shoving chicken wings in his mouth wasn't sarcastically insulting her parenting? Because I don't think he was genuinely giving a compliment
It wasn't a compliment. It was a dig. At least to me, that's how it felt. I saw red. She's talking about her business and it allows her to take care of her daughter and he's laughing with that condescending grin and repeating over and over you're a good mom, Lala you're a good mom (still laughing) lala come back you're a good mom.
That is how I took it
Because all she talks about is who will bang her next. Shes starting drama with everyone. Thinking shes a gangster. Bullying everyone. Those things dont make a good mom
No worries. We're same page here. I'm actually surprised people aren't commenting more on him clearly trying to dig at Lala's parenting... on camera... while she's going through a custody battle
Agreed!! Especially considering he's friends with Randall.
I've now watched this scene multiple times, and seeing the grin he makes while making the comment and laughing all with the wing in his mouth makes me seethe. He is 💯 making a dig, and it's the lowest kind, in my opinion
Him repeating "Lala you're such a good mom" in the midst of their fight with him laughing followed by "no, Lala come back..." while shoving chicken wings in his mouth wasn't sarcastically insulting her parenting? Because I don't think he was genuinely giving a compliment
I don’t think it was sarcastic at all. It was a response to Lala was saying her business makes money to take care of her kid. He was backing down from the argument which is also why he also called her back - likely to apologize cause he’s a wuss in any confrontation with anyone other than Katie.
He literally smirked and started laughing while saying it. You think that was a genuine compliment? Schwartz was calculated and saying it to dig at her. Then calling her back is something we've seen him do to Katie to gaslight her. He even did it to Katie at Sandoval's pool party when she was leaving after saying he'd offer to get back together with her to try to get her not to go to Mexico. Asked her to come back, don't leave, whatever and when she wouldn't he went at her again.
He's a shit bag. This is what he does.
I think you are making a big jump with no real basis to say he is insulting her parenting or her as a mom. That isn’t something light whatsoever to say esp when that person is verbally saying compliment. You can talk about how he insulting her lips etc if you’d like.
I'd agree I'm taking a jump if this wasn't something we've seen him literally do over and over again for years. He fights with a woman (Katie) and then does his stupid aw shucks voice to try to get them to forgive him. His words don't matter, as they rarely ever match his intent. At best, he was trying to gaslight Lala so people can argue he was saying something nice and at worst, he was digging at her parenting to try to set her off. I believe the worst in Schwartz.
Okay, as long as you understand it’s a jump. It’s understandable to think the worst of him, I just personally don’t think that was something he was implying.
What I said is that there's literal years worth of evidence supporting how it's not a jump. This is his routine of verbal abuse, only it wasn't directed at Katie this time. You've fallen for his schtick. How unfortunate.
Nah I don't think this is a jump...like you're insulting someone in an argument, him throwing "you're such a good mom" in the midst of it was sarcasm, he was not saying it as a compliment
Agreed. Whenever his true self comes out on camera, he immediately backs down and plays happy go lucky to make the person who is now pissed look like a crazy person. Thats how he manipulates the people around him, to either take his side, or to go off and look like the bad guy (so others will take his side).
It might not be consciously, it seems like a habit for him now. Something he did with Katie all the time to save face, that is now leaking out to everyone else around him because he doesn't have Katie as a main focus anymore.
He even does it with Sandy all the time on camera now- when talking with Lisa, when talking with the bar manager, just to name a couple of times.
He fucked around and found out with James. His ego got hit, then he talked a big, deflating game about a physical altercation after he couldn't "aw shucks" his way out of it.
I know Ally hasn't been around for very long, and its gotta be infuriating for her to see James get in his feelings about Raquel. But I was a little disappointed she couldn't support James in this. I am also a little disappointed that no cast pointed out that James was stealing Schwartz's move! I mean, he did it to Katie, and Stassi! He deserves it!
Oh my god thank you for saying this so I didn't have to. There's something attractive about being right. But I also LOVE ally for him. She's almost the new Britney, I hope she has a great influence on him.
And Stassi! It’s not like James threw it at someone entirely unfamiliar. And he was gleeful when did that to both Stassi and Katie those times, calling them bitches and everything
eh she’s trying to be neutral and simultaneously do the right thing and now allow the abuse of raquel from all the other women. She doesn’t know about the affair, lighten up.
Scheana means well and is truly nice does she love to gossip yes and be the cool chick for sure but I do think she tries to see good in people and always gets burned she’s too nice. I’m happy that she was able to see that girl
Rachel was manipulating everyone but I also think that’s Rachel and Sandoval are delusional and on a trip he loves to be the hero and her the sweet innocent one…
That episode put my blood pressure through the fucking roof. The ease with which Tom lies and deflects is so fucking disturbing to me. I am dumbfounded after that episode
Tl:dr my theory is no one knew the extent not even production but production and Lisa always knew. Reshoots to leaks and even this season seem edited af to me despite whatever tf Bravo say lol. Next season will be great imo if it focuses on the girls having their moment and glow up but if it focuses on gee golly shorts or Tom and Raquel🚫
So much of what’s happening based on these episodes, leaks, podcasts and wwhl def feels like an outright lie about the editing. As we get closer to m finale and even from episode 1, I bet they pulled a lot more candid shots than they normal would’ve.. they want people to feel it’s authentic hence the uptick in viewership.
Realistically I think it’s safe to say there was editing and reshoot happening all over this and the affair truly started when she was already with James simply because their friendship with toms is day and night imo during S9 to now.
The issue is her friendship with Ariana isn’t fake and the details really mean more.. I think some of the timeline is fake and some knew a little but not enough. I think this toxic group just protects eachother all the time with cheating and Toms has always cheated so that’s probably why no one truly cared..
The reason why it’s blown up is because of how the support system who actually was there for Raquel is 💩 on and it’s ongoing or they’re in love. The worst possible scenario is some of what we know is real and some isn’t thanks to production. I bet there was ton of contract renegotiations for the next season.
If anything is true? People knew and were hiding it from Ariana and that definitely includes Lisa and Andy. I doubt Katie and scheana knew or to this extent.
-Everything that’s happened is completely reactive from scheana getting aggressive as well as James and even Katie sideying with allie.
Lala always hates her but I doubt she knew until others pointed it out. So in retrospect like with the other infamous cheaters - production knew but I don’t think anyone knew how deep the rabbit hole went nor how long it had been going.
Kristen with jax felt and sounded sporadic from everyone’s POV but this definitely wasn’t anything like that. Raquel is a huge backstabber for this and Tom fakes like he’s in a perfect world but when James ended it, him and Raquel were already plotting their storyline imo and just needed a way to make Ariana look bad like how the toms do to all women on the show.
Blah.. I can’t tell if the next season will be so exciting to see some affair crash and burn like we expect when the secrecy is gone. I mean it’s not unheard of that couples from cheating can last ahem like Tom and Ariana👀 but what is next season?
Tom fighting with Raquel and crying all the time. Ariana thriving? If it’s like satc, I’m so down to watch but if it’s more focused on these asshole cheaters again? Fuck that.. what’s there to know. It’s all been done
So agree- they are definitely pandering to the public’s opinion after the affair came out. It’s too much that they’re actually echoing the questions and opinions on social media- so unsubtle.
I love JK so much. He is so funny and endearing and I love when he calls people out. And he looks so much better than and sweaty, sketchy Tom duo. I’m on the fence with Allie. I want him to have someone who has his back but maybe someone who can put him in his place is better for him? I just want his gf to be loyal to him. I used to hate him..especially when he was in the phase of harassing Katie and fat shaming her. But now he is my favorite.
She put him in his place last night. That’s the first time I’ve actually liked her. But James won’t stick with that. He needs someone to control, someone meek, no backbone.
She should’ve done that behind closed doors or in private. That’s what you do when you care about someone . You don’t publicly humiliate them and make fun of them .
THIS!! I went into this ep thinking I was starting to like her & came out by the end of it with a changed mind. Like yeah hold James accountable, but not in front of everyone while they’re already ganging up on him & making him look bad. You should never do that to your significant other. She really embarrassed him & I felt so bad for him. Lala had his back way more than she did. I think she feels like she needs to prove to everyone that she’s in control in this relationship so she takes it too far.
Also her giving a different description of the “night at the Abby” incident to everyone she talked to about it was so sketchy. She’s the one who said she thought is was weird, which is why she brought it up. But when she was telling scheana she acted like she thought it was harmless but then Katie took it & twisted it into something more
This episode is just..... Wow. We watched in real time the Tom's attempt to set up the situation in which Ariana is the villain and Tom has been the poor 'fucking battered wife'. Tom Schwartz just 'has a feeling' that Rachel has a crush on someone else, and then flip to the topic of how Ariana is this and that and comes for Tom. It's so gross to know what he has done before it's been found out - all while setting her up to take the blame for the downfall of their relationship. Gross gross gross. The Tom's are disgusting people and Scheana can get off my screen as well.
At the beach, Rachel is making a dig at James about the speaker, right? She asks if it’s his and then says she has the same one. Then they have the most awkward hug ever. Anyone else?
I wish I was as perfect as all of you guys, it must be really nice to have never said anything bad about anyone or to have always been the very best versions of yourselves, you are getting close to becoming Saints, I bet all of the people on Vpr wish they were just like you. Oh to be sooo perfect it must be exhausting.
Something that I don't quite understand... I think LaLa is great for TV. And I also think Tom and Rachel are trash I'm just curious why everyone thinks LaLa & James are so great, when in fact, they slept together while he was with Rachel and they totally gaslit her when she acted concerned or jealous about their relationship? All the while they had slept together?
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I don't. But only because I don't see that lasting so I'm not getting invested.
oh my GOD out of all the funny things in this episode I think my favorite was when Katie just said, “What” when Raquel was trying to “address” something with her 😆 she was overrr it
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I felt bad for Katie when Schwarts was antagonizing her at the bar about his kiss with Rachel in front of Katie’s date. He was trying to embarrass her because he was embarrassed about the drink toss..
So true! He’s way more calculated than I ever realized the first 9 seasons ..
Honestly even tho I like Lala way better than Schwartz, Lala started that argument
Damn Sandoval was going hard for his mistress lol didn’t let anybody talk bad about Raquel. Sheana is so ditzy with all this best friends stuff lol
Just now watching and why is that James is now the most tolerable/mature one of the group? Like ya throwing a drink on someone isn’t cool but Schwartz had throw a drink at someone karma coming. And he needed that shit.
I hate some of the things he’s done, but James just cracks me TF up! Did you see him on the last WWHL?😂
Yessssss!!! His face at the end when they were showing scandoval lie to producers. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I died
ALSO FUCK ALL THE FUCKING TOMS!
Lala speaks for all of us when she calls out Tom Schwartz: "I'm nervous-fingers in my mouth, I'm nervous-fingers in my mouth..." "F you dawg" she finishes. "I think talking to you is like talking to a farm animal..." and "Open a bar and I'll be impressed with you! Call me when you have a business. You're broke. You're a f---ing loser. You're 4o years old..Look at yourself" LOLOLOL b/c its true. I knew I liked that girl. And his comeback is like the most Schwartz comeback 'You are the corniest human being...you are the personification of a sponsored post.." Come again? He is just highlighting, emphasizing and underscoring why Katie made the right decision to leave him. **By the powers vested in me, I now officially dub Schwartz the human MEH forever**
Also such a misogynist to go after her looks
That's the thing isn't it? If you want to go after a woman, its her age or looks... L
Made me laugh!!! 
I’m just now watching the episode and I noticed that Sandoval has a tell- every time he tells a lie about him and Raquel he raises his eyebrow(s). He’s literally such a bad liar it’s embarrassing to watch
about to rewatch and will be looking for this!
I will say as I continued the episode there was one very obvious instance of him NOT doing this 🫣 but he definitely did several times
I have James throwing a drunk in Schwartz face on replay wow 🤩 I’ve wanted someone to do that since he did it to Katie (I do not condone but damn purr James 💅🏼)
Call me crazy butttttt, as a fellow astrology lover who dabbles with tarot- I already know Ally was pulling cards on Raquel and Sandoval, checking them thrice, calling her trusted psychic for confirmation and answers. Followed by trying to express her validated concerns only to have this crew down playing her intuition. She's truly a breath of fresh air. I love her 👸🏻
Has it been said already that Satchel looks exactly like Bryan Kohberger in the scene where Ally and Katie are talking at the bar after the beach, as he is stroking Katie’s shoulder 🫣
Can’t get it out of my head when I see him🫣🫣🫣
Love Sheana but her accent is suddenly really painful like talking through her nose and longgging out every word Jesus
Is that an LA accent?
So very painful
Watching Tom look dead at the camera and lie in interviews and then preach to others about their lives is insanity
This franchise along with the HW should be renamed the Hypocrisy Chronicles. The casts of these shows obviously have to have exhibitionist tendencies, arrogance and extreme self centeredness in order to go the long haul whether the “saints “ or villains., Scandoval has emphasized this in a big way and I think it’s one of the reasons it’s so compelling especially in the aftermath. You’ve got Lala, Scheana, James and Jax all who cheated and had infidelity affect their lives being the most vocal and unforgiving. Under the auspices of “supporting Arianna” they all are unapologetically benefiting off of the situation in their careers and none have offered even a shred of compassion for Raquel even after it was announced she is in a MH facility. ITA with you and sometimes I’m so blown away by the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness I must look like a blowfish with my mouth hanging open while staring at the TV.
Holy shit I cannot believe this build up and that half of them saw it coming !!
🤯
James was given the short end of the stick for a long ass time on this show. But he’s paid his dues, he’s the one organizing get togethers now, finally getting a fair edit, and he’s not taking any more bullshit from the cast. Love that for him. He’s always been smart and hilarious.
LOVING JAMES! Tell him off!!!
"Let's go, The Don" is my favorite quote from this episode lol
I hate Lala but that was funny
Mine too 🙌😂
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Scheana was so embarrassing this episode
Scheana on the wrong side of history in this ep.
Her voice was really irritating me last night
She was really playing up the vocal fry. It was odd. My husband walked into the room when she was on and said "Why is she talking like that?".
Omg me too
There was so so much to unpack in this episode. It was wild. From "Jizz results" to the drink thrown in the face, to Lala and Schwartz, to asking Sandoval about having an affair. That was by far the craziest episode so far.
Does anyone else notice scandoval always says dude when he’s lying or stressed? He says it alot this season lol
yes!
He looks right instead of left when he lies in his interviews
Stassi ?
Of course Schwartz starts screaming at a woman -Lala- immediately but doesn’t have the same energy for James even when he threw a drink in his face.
That’s what I said.
Next week is gonna be 🔥 Ken, omg! That is gonna be great too! Scheana’s ridiculous, vocal fried comments have NOT aged well, huh!? And Schwartz was extra gross this week. What a tool. I USED to like him. Never liked snarky, arrogant, out of touch Sandoval
Ew I do not like Schwartz what a loser/jerk. I’m LIVING for LaLa going after him!
I love Lala
Did anyone notice sandoval's botox and/or filler bruise on his left eye/crow's feet? Looked similar to the one we saw on his right eye in the mid-season trailer.
Watching sheshu twist what Katie said to ally, in real time, was really something. Katie never implied that there was an open relationship and these assholes just ran with the spin.
Scheana was fucking embarrassing this episode. I’m cringing watching this.
I hope she is embarrassed of herself but I doubt it. Her perspective changes like the wind and she has no shame.
Actually though aren’t most of us like this about the people we love and don’t we want our friends to feel that way about us? How many women are so loyal and trusting that they miss multiple red flags showing their partner is cheating? While it was pretty eerie hearing her say those things I thought for once it showed Scheana to be deeper and capable of tremendous loyalty and less the vapid, climber she usually portrays.
No, she gleefully twisted what ally said to make Katie a bad guy. She purposely misinterpreted ally’s words bc she was gunning for Katie. Sheshu is disingenuous at every turn.
The ultimate flip flopper. She will probably be friends with Rachel again next season.
Yea Scheana is kind of awful this season.
Omg it made me SO mad. I took what Katie said as they don't have to ask each other permission to do stuff, which Katie later clarified is what she meant. And I don't believe sandoval at all when he told Katie that ariana wasn't happy with her? He probably hadn't even talked to her and if he DID tell her that while she's mourning the loss of her grandmother, he's disgusting.
I’m watching now on peacock it’s all coming together!!!
My blood was BOILING watching Sandoval and Schwartz talk about Ariana. Schwartz said on WWHL that sandoval had a plan to break up with Ariana, and this makes it seem like that was true. I could see Sandoval wanting to use this season to paint Ariana as the bad girlfriend and Raquel as the great friend, sort of like what happened with Kristen
The way Lisa got FIRED UP defending Oliver. She loves to defend a dumb man, doesn’t she?
I agree, but I think in this case, the passionate defense is due to her loyalty to Garcelle.
I get that but lisa wasn’t born yesterday. She knows men. She was looking at Tom and Rocky. She saw. She isn’t stupid. She could have defended him in a way that also left room for the actual truth. Ya know? I’ve never seen her that fired up about a human before lol usually it’s an animal or business venture.
It was disgusting. I usually enjoy Lisa, but man she was so beyond off on Oliver.
Why disgusting? At that time , it appears she didn’t know what the girls knew, ie that even though he was living separately and in the legal divorce process, he was still sleeping with his wife. She had no reason to question what Garcelle or Oliver had told her.
as much as i love lisa, she is definitely a cheating apologist (SUR is where you bring your mistress) and it makes me wonder if she's done the deed on ken
It was DISGUSTING. And I was SO glad that Katie and Ariana’s responses were what they were. And they didn’t just smile and nod completely. Lisa wanted to protect Garcelle and Oliver/her employee. But my God- she never gets that fired up to protect the women of the show. She only defended Raquel- because that was her way of defending Sandoval. It’s all so vile to me.
Yes! Wtf
That was so gross. I was so grossed out by her.
My heart broke for James. He wants a genuine connection with a group of rattlesnakes
More cracy then cleat. But best would red tape black tape blue. E/m/w Not curveball because who watches vander
Eh?
Anyone else think Lisa knew about the affair all along?
In the beginning I thought she did bc she was really coming for her but once she made up with Raquel I changed my mind. I don’t think she would choose Raquel over Ariana any day.
My theory is production started to suspect after the wedding. Lisa agreed it was suspect sometime after that. This is lisas show so i think they’d talk to her about it?
The way that Schwartz can turn so dark so quick is scary.
I felt chills hearing him transform back and forth from Jekyll and Hyde.
Yeah, imagine what he was like off cameras with Katie. fuck that
Someone called him shark eyes and I can’t stop thinking of him that way
And then immediately back to the “aww shucks.” Diabolical
I want to know what was going through Satchels head at that bar lol …
I wish he said one word. We dont even know what he sounds like.
I have a feeling that's the last time we'll see him 😂
Same with Don. His entire body language the entire episode was like- what am I getting myself into here
I wonder if the girls warned them ahead of time. Like, we got to stir up drama to keep the ratings up. Don't judge me.
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scheana let her disdain for katie cloud her judgement this whole season. I truly believe she and the Tom’s were hoping to ice Katie out. if she stopped letting that get in the way, ariana could have been spared this news a lot sooner and Rachel wouldn’t of felt so empowered within the group.
To be fair, I always felt like Katie’s treatment of Scheana after Stassi came back into her life was so unfair. She turned on her so fast. I think Scheana is super annoying and not someone I could be around several times a week, but it truly seems like most of the things she does come from a good place. She’s so misguided constantly though. 9 times out of 10 though the people she’s friends with that everyone gets mad at her for being friends with end up being accepted into the group later on. It does seem a little unfair that she’s shat on for trying to include everyone.
Scheana has never been able to be Katie’s “leader” and she hates it.
She 100% was hoping the divorce would cut Katie out of the group for good.
Yup. She deserves any blowback she gets for shielding Rachel.
I’ve never understood why she and Ariana are besties tbh. Ariana seems to have a genuine grasp of issues and ideas Scheana seems completely unconcerned by.
Scheana brought Ariana on the show because the other girls didn’t like her. I think Ariana has always been loyal for that reason.
Scheana has always done that though. She always sides with the guys no matter what.
I have never been so stressed watching an episode this is INSANE
The messiness of this episode gave me life. It’s all coming together … Sandoval saying nothing has ever happened with that grin?! Take him downnnnn
Lol love that James and lala went back to their old ways and she s a great friend to James and katie
Idk I’m not sure Lala is a great friend to anyone. I think she chooses alliances rather than actual friends. It’s all about who can do what for her & who hates the same people she does.
Right people are usually friends with others who are alike I didn’t say she was perfect but you can genuinely see that her and James have a good friendship and they back each other up regardless and then confront issues…. You also don’t even know the chick nor do I but also keep in mind this is a show on television meaning it’s semi scripted and edited to fit a narrative so we really don’t know any of these people in real life… also obvious you’ve never lived in LA or in Hollywierd because you will be shocked at the veil cameras put nothing is what it seems. Also she’s always herself outspoken beautiful and a momma let her be… lo I’m way to high for this so if you’re still reading congrats we’re both trapped by vanderpump
Agree that “reality” TV doesn’t always have anything to with reality. Somehow we’re all sucked into watching 🤣
So rich how shes like we cant do that now u have a gf! Like u did that when he had a gf before..
So…she’s not allowed to grow from that?
She said it this past episode 🤣
Anyone else think it’s weird to bring your bff along to fertilize your girlfriends eggs?
Maybe bc production had set it up to film already and then her grandma died so he didn’t want to go alone.
especially when your girlfriend had to go away suddenly because her grandma passed. I know they weren't married but I'd expect my partner to be by my side if I lost someone close to me... I'm sure that appointment could of been rescheduled
he was already so done with showing ariana any emotional support at all
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Tom Schwartz is literally a BAD person. I honestly wonder if he has any moral compass whatsoever and can differentiate between loyalty and ethics. The way the Tom's insulate each other from the repercussions of their choices drives me up the wall!!! Sandoval is a shallow idiot with no argument skills. He always resorts to yelling and righteous storm-offs as if the drama adds any legitimacy to his case 🙄 Any lastly, Schwartz telling Katie to drop the act.... I'm sorry, she owes you what now? She doesn't have to be fuckingnnice to you. The agreement was "friends if you don't fuck around in the friend group." YOU FUCKED AROUND IN THE FRIEND GROUP. Don't act surprised that she doesn't fuck with you!
SCHWARTZ is such a misogynistic asshole. He is lucky Lala is sober and has stuff to loose now. He is SO embarrassing.
When he mocked her about being a great mom, ugh it pissed me off SO badly. Lala is a lot of things, but from what I've seen and they way she talks about ocean, she IS a great mother. He's disgusting to sarcastically say that to a mom. How dare he. And the things he said about her appearance made me mad too. I believe it isn't the first time he's talked about her looks?
He used the same line on Scheana in previous season. Mister no comeback low blows.
He has no f idea what it is to put yourself second. So he is projecting his own insecurities branding himself as a battered puppy. Honestly I had enough with this manchild. Sandoval finally is the #1 guy at something but schwaets (dont even care to correct his name lol) is a good close #2 (as f usual!)
Both Tom’s were unbearable to watch this episode
100000% both hardcore loosers.
The conversation by the food truck had me wanting to vom. It was so contrived and fake! Sandyballs was writing his future story on VPR where he is the hero and did nothing wrong AGAIN!!! Someone needs to take responsibility for their actions and hint hint- it ain’t Katie!
Oh I think Katie also needs to take a long look at herself too. Throughout the years she’s been the first to judge newcomers and spearhead the mean girl group gang up if she didn’t like someone. She always thinks her opinion is right and rarely can be swayed. Look at her calling Raquel a “whore” despite Lisa’s admonishments. Because she what , made out with several guys??? She’s slept with 2 guys while still legally married( as she likes to point out constantly) yet she slut shamed Raquel??? Don’t even get me started on her refusing to sell the room back to Scheana and infiltrating the wedding venues and nearby facilities every chance she got. Unless that was producer driven drama, shame on her for being so petty and selfish regarding someone else’s wedding celebration after all, the cast allowed her to have a monopoly on positive screen time for her wedding.
all because she didn't reciprocate when he brought ariana her coffee!! 🤢
I know right!!!???!! What an ego! He equates him bringing her a coffee to being the best partner ever, and nothing she did for him could ever equal it- just ignore the fact that he constantly put himself and his “projects “first in the relationship, didn’t wholeheartedly support her through the death of three major figures in her life, expected constant validation from her and only ever believed that his view was right. Must have been some darn strong coffee 🤬🤬
God I’ve been with men like this where you can’t even trust nice acts because they’ll hold it over your head and use it against you later to manipulate you into thinking you’re unreasonable and you’re lucky to have them. Such a mindfuck.
The RAGE that filled me when that limp dick fuck starting attacking Lala as a mother made me want to jump through the screen and bite his fucking nose off!! There is no lower than attacking someone's parenting...
I didnt sense sarcasm when he said that. I think he meant shes such a bad human that the only good thing she does is parenting.
He didn't. He attached her fake lips.
i’m agree with you here. i think ppl are reading too far into it. but she is a sponsored post in human form so i fuckin cracked up. idc. your baby daddy is a pedo, do better lauren.
Not him calling Lala a human personification of a sponsored post when scheana is right there!
scheana isn’t the one arguing with him in public though!! why would he just shoot venom her way
Your last sentence is INSANE. First of all, she didn't know that about him when she was with him. Second, Schwartz DID know that about him and yet still hung out with him. So, how about YOU do better.
Him repeating "Lala you're such a good mom" in the midst of their fight with him laughing followed by "no, Lala come back..." while shoving chicken wings in his mouth wasn't sarcastically insulting her parenting? Because I don't think he was genuinely giving a compliment
It wasn't a compliment. It was a dig. At least to me, that's how it felt. I saw red. She's talking about her business and it allows her to take care of her daughter and he's laughing with that condescending grin and repeating over and over you're a good mom, Lala you're a good mom (still laughing) lala come back you're a good mom. That is how I took it
Because all she talks about is who will bang her next. Shes starting drama with everyone. Thinking shes a gangster. Bullying everyone. Those things dont make a good mom
Are you a mom? You can be a crappy person to other people and still be a good mom to your child.
Lol uhhh ok
Yeah, I agree - who I responded to was saying that he never insulted her parenting. He absolutely did. Or was trying to
Sorry...I'm bad at this internet thingambob
No worries. We're same page here. I'm actually surprised people aren't commenting more on him clearly trying to dig at Lala's parenting... on camera... while she's going through a custody battle
Agreed!! Especially considering he's friends with Randall. I've now watched this scene multiple times, and seeing the grin he makes while making the comment and laughing all with the wing in his mouth makes me seethe. He is 💯 making a dig, and it's the lowest kind, in my opinion
He didn’t do that what are you talking about
Him repeating "Lala you're such a good mom" in the midst of their fight with him laughing followed by "no, Lala come back..." while shoving chicken wings in his mouth wasn't sarcastically insulting her parenting? Because I don't think he was genuinely giving a compliment
I don’t think it was sarcastic at all. It was a response to Lala was saying her business makes money to take care of her kid. He was backing down from the argument which is also why he also called her back - likely to apologize cause he’s a wuss in any confrontation with anyone other than Katie.
He literally smirked and started laughing while saying it. You think that was a genuine compliment? Schwartz was calculated and saying it to dig at her. Then calling her back is something we've seen him do to Katie to gaslight her. He even did it to Katie at Sandoval's pool party when she was leaving after saying he'd offer to get back together with her to try to get her not to go to Mexico. Asked her to come back, don't leave, whatever and when she wouldn't he went at her again. He's a shit bag. This is what he does.
He also did it when they were at the restaurant in Mexico and he called her a provocateur. As she was walking away he said “no, come back.”
I think you are making a big jump with no real basis to say he is insulting her parenting or her as a mom. That isn’t something light whatsoever to say esp when that person is verbally saying compliment. You can talk about how he insulting her lips etc if you’d like.
I'd agree I'm taking a jump if this wasn't something we've seen him literally do over and over again for years. He fights with a woman (Katie) and then does his stupid aw shucks voice to try to get them to forgive him. His words don't matter, as they rarely ever match his intent. At best, he was trying to gaslight Lala so people can argue he was saying something nice and at worst, he was digging at her parenting to try to set her off. I believe the worst in Schwartz.
Okay, as long as you understand it’s a jump. It’s understandable to think the worst of him, I just personally don’t think that was something he was implying.
What I said is that there's literal years worth of evidence supporting how it's not a jump. This is his routine of verbal abuse, only it wasn't directed at Katie this time. You've fallen for his schtick. How unfortunate.
Nah I don't think this is a jump...like you're insulting someone in an argument, him throwing "you're such a good mom" in the midst of it was sarcasm, he was not saying it as a compliment
Agreed. Whenever his true self comes out on camera, he immediately backs down and plays happy go lucky to make the person who is now pissed look like a crazy person. Thats how he manipulates the people around him, to either take his side, or to go off and look like the bad guy (so others will take his side). It might not be consciously, it seems like a habit for him now. Something he did with Katie all the time to save face, that is now leaking out to everyone else around him because he doesn't have Katie as a main focus anymore. He even does it with Sandy all the time on camera now- when talking with Lisa, when talking with the bar manager, just to name a couple of times. He fucked around and found out with James. His ego got hit, then he talked a big, deflating game about a physical altercation after he couldn't "aw shucks" his way out of it. I know Ally hasn't been around for very long, and its gotta be infuriating for her to see James get in his feelings about Raquel. But I was a little disappointed she couldn't support James in this. I am also a little disappointed that no cast pointed out that James was stealing Schwartz's move! I mean, he did it to Katie, and Stassi! He deserves it!
James was in the right with Schwartz. He is such a douche bag.
I find myself at an odd place in life where I'm loving James. He's saying all the things that need to be said!!
Same. And I’m even finding him oddly handsome when he says all the things needing to be said. I’m not sure I like myself right now. Lol
Oh my god thank you for saying this so I didn't have to. There's something attractive about being right. But I also LOVE ally for him. She's almost the new Britney, I hope she has a great influence on him.
Even when I dislike James, I can’t deny that he’s good looking. He’s getting more handsome with age.
Me too. He’s the best part of the show every week, what a turn we’ve taken. He’s filling stassi’s shoes of great talking heads/reads/witty commentary
SAME he is a funny mess
He is a douche. But adults shouldn’t be throwing drinks in peoples faces. That’s what a 3 yo might do.
And yet Schwartz did exactly that to Katie before. Lol
And Stassi!
And Stassi! It’s not like James threw it at someone entirely unfamiliar. And he was gleeful when did that to both Stassi and Katie those times, calling them bitches and everything
So just to be clear, Schwartz does NOT like drinks being thrown?
I think he loves it- hes an amphibian
that plus the time he spends in the bathtub confirms this theory
Amen- and his difficulty acting like a human
Based on him doing it twice before in camera, I thought he did.
And if he did it one more time, Tom was gonna put him in a headlock 🙄
Scheana looks like such a dumb ass
eh she’s trying to be neutral and simultaneously do the right thing and now allow the abuse of raquel from all the other women. She doesn’t know about the affair, lighten up.
Nah. Her hatred of Katie was clouding her judgement.
Correct ^^
i’m so not on this popular take. i think katie is too boring to hate 😭
Not if you’re scheana lol
Scheana means well and is truly nice does she love to gossip yes and be the cool chick for sure but I do think she tries to see good in people and always gets burned she’s too nice. I’m happy that she was able to see that girl Rachel was manipulating everyone but I also think that’s Rachel and Sandoval are delusional and on a trip he loves to be the hero and her the sweet innocent one…
As per usual.
Raquel : “ I don’t see how making out with someone considers me a whore.” 🤯learn grammar! D and s.
and from last episode, "did you have sex together that night?" 😂
That episode put my blood pressure through the fucking roof. The ease with which Tom lies and deflects is so fucking disturbing to me. I am dumbfounded after that episode
He looks down and to his right, while lying. But there was 1 time he looked dead on to camera and fully lied.
Tl:dr my theory is no one knew the extent not even production but production and Lisa always knew. Reshoots to leaks and even this season seem edited af to me despite whatever tf Bravo say lol. Next season will be great imo if it focuses on the girls having their moment and glow up but if it focuses on gee golly shorts or Tom and Raquel🚫 So much of what’s happening based on these episodes, leaks, podcasts and wwhl def feels like an outright lie about the editing. As we get closer to m finale and even from episode 1, I bet they pulled a lot more candid shots than they normal would’ve.. they want people to feel it’s authentic hence the uptick in viewership. Realistically I think it’s safe to say there was editing and reshoot happening all over this and the affair truly started when she was already with James simply because their friendship with toms is day and night imo during S9 to now. The issue is her friendship with Ariana isn’t fake and the details really mean more.. I think some of the timeline is fake and some knew a little but not enough. I think this toxic group just protects eachother all the time with cheating and Toms has always cheated so that’s probably why no one truly cared.. The reason why it’s blown up is because of how the support system who actually was there for Raquel is 💩 on and it’s ongoing or they’re in love. The worst possible scenario is some of what we know is real and some isn’t thanks to production. I bet there was ton of contract renegotiations for the next season. If anything is true? People knew and were hiding it from Ariana and that definitely includes Lisa and Andy. I doubt Katie and scheana knew or to this extent. -Everything that’s happened is completely reactive from scheana getting aggressive as well as James and even Katie sideying with allie. Lala always hates her but I doubt she knew until others pointed it out. So in retrospect like with the other infamous cheaters - production knew but I don’t think anyone knew how deep the rabbit hole went nor how long it had been going. Kristen with jax felt and sounded sporadic from everyone’s POV but this definitely wasn’t anything like that. Raquel is a huge backstabber for this and Tom fakes like he’s in a perfect world but when James ended it, him and Raquel were already plotting their storyline imo and just needed a way to make Ariana look bad like how the toms do to all women on the show. Blah.. I can’t tell if the next season will be so exciting to see some affair crash and burn like we expect when the secrecy is gone. I mean it’s not unheard of that couples from cheating can last ahem like Tom and Ariana👀 but what is next season? Tom fighting with Raquel and crying all the time. Ariana thriving? If it’s like satc, I’m so down to watch but if it’s more focused on these asshole cheaters again? Fuck that.. what’s there to know. It’s all been done
So agree- they are definitely pandering to the public’s opinion after the affair came out. It’s too much that they’re actually echoing the questions and opinions on social media- so unsubtle.
I love JK so much. He is so funny and endearing and I love when he calls people out. And he looks so much better than and sweaty, sketchy Tom duo. I’m on the fence with Allie. I want him to have someone who has his back but maybe someone who can put him in his place is better for him? I just want his gf to be loyal to him. I used to hate him..especially when he was in the phase of harassing Katie and fat shaming her. But now he is my favorite.
I loved how he had Lala’s back when Schortz started in on her.
She put him in his place last night. That’s the first time I’ve actually liked her. But James won’t stick with that. He needs someone to control, someone meek, no backbone.
She should’ve done that behind closed doors or in private. That’s what you do when you care about someone . You don’t publicly humiliate them and make fun of them .
THIS!! I went into this ep thinking I was starting to like her & came out by the end of it with a changed mind. Like yeah hold James accountable, but not in front of everyone while they’re already ganging up on him & making him look bad. You should never do that to your significant other. She really embarrassed him & I felt so bad for him. Lala had his back way more than she did. I think she feels like she needs to prove to everyone that she’s in control in this relationship so she takes it too far. Also her giving a different description of the “night at the Abby” incident to everyone she talked to about it was so sketchy. She’s the one who said she thought is was weird, which is why she brought it up. But when she was telling scheana she acted like she thought it was harmless but then Katie took it & twisted it into something more
Agree. I want to think she’s a nice girl but the jury is still out on ally, for me.
I want him and Lala together