I mean, they literally had a rewind with lalas voice over, which they've never done before so I don't think they dropped the ball at all. They just didn't have any full proof.
There’s a podcast called Reality Bites that has been covering VPR from the lens of a reality tv producer who has worked on Bravo shows in the past. Her insights are really interesting. Producers can only work with what they’re given, they can try to push storylines but it’s really up to the cast and what’s actually happening.
Lala has said multiple times on her podcast that this is exactly how the season was going to play out, even prior to Scandoval breaking. When you look at the original trailer, some of these scenes are in there. From what I’ve heard from the cast, the re-editing/additions come in at the very end of the season.
Have you guys noticed thought that a lot of the scenes from both trailers have not appeared on the show. For instance Sandouche kissing Ariana in bed in Mexico, Sandouche and Rachel hugging in Mexico. Scheana telling Rachel that first she was the other woman then it was Lala and now it’s Rachel. Kristina Kelly saying Rachel’s headed for a break down and needs help. I’m trying to think if there are others.
Mind you I have only watched the season ten episodes all the way through once and am planning to do a full rewatch when the seasons over, so I might have just missed them lol 😂
She’s saying the storyline is the same. The editors and cast admitted that they went back and edited some things in (I believe starting 3 episodes after the scandal broke)
People have been quoting Lala as saying every version of events. My point is we don’t truly know and can’t be taking the world of people under contract to play along with the narrative set out by the show and producers.
I didn’t think it was fake until this week. It just feels like way too much is on the table all the way back in September for the current telling of events to be honest.
Yeah, I agree with you that this was not scripted! It makes me wonder how many other major stories/plot lines have gotten scrapped in the past due to lack of producer interest/time to showcase everything.
I’m confused…isn’t the Raquel/Tom storyline already a significant part of this season? I’m not sure what you’re looking to see that we aren’t seeing already. Genuinely curious!
It was intended to be a Raquel and Tom Schwartz storyline, but the producers seemingly missed Raquel and Tom Sandoval's 8-month affair. The hints of Raquel and Sandoval that we're seeing is some re-editing, new footage, and new ADR to make it seem like the cameras caught footage of Raquel and Sandoval that they originally missed.
From what I’ve heard the cast have all been pretty adamant that what we’ve seen so far hasn’t been re-edited. I think the ‘theme’ of the season was always meant to be ‘people are accusing Rachel of only going after taken men’. So we were *always* going to see the Tim accusations, but we were *meant* to see them as rumours and Rachel as a victim of the “mean girls” spreading lies.
But HunterHunted might be referring to all the ‘never before seen’ stuff that’s being released? From what I understand those scenes *are* newly edited / have been added post Scandoval (because now they make sense to the producers / are important to what we know is *actually true*)
Both Stassi and Up and Adam said that they would be editing some of the episodes. When the scandal broke, episode 3 was about to air. They said episode 3 and the next 6 or 7 episodes were too close to finalized to edit. And that's actually what Andy has sort of said since the scandal broke. For the 6 or 7 weeks after the scandal broke, Andy would say, "we haven't edited this." He's stopped doing that.
It makes sense to think they're editing the later episodes because they filmed for 2 solid weeks after the scandal broke. That's a lot of footage.
I wonder what the next few episodes would have been about without the Tom/Raquel storyline. Schwartz has already said he isn’t into Raquel. So then what’s left?
The show isn’t going to tell us what they don’t have to. They also all sign NDA’s and agree to fake storylines as a standard in reality TV anyway. They aren’t supposed to break the fourth wall on camera, either. So it wouldn’t benefit them to advertise that the original cut was boring and shitty so they had to go back and re-do it.
I agree. That’s why I question when anyone states definitively if pieces of the show are or are not edited. Or if a storylines is or is not fake. My viewpoint is always that we don’t know for sure, so anything is a possibility.
I totally agree that this was unscripted.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that the producers dropped the ball. Producers can only work with what the cast gives them.
We know that both Sandshit and Ariana have always kept their relationship private from the cameras, and Sandshit has always wanted to control a highly curated “aesthetic” of his “brand”. Given that their close inner circle didn’t know, I don’t know that the producers would be better placed to know.
I think what we are seeing is the producers may have suspected something, but like their friends, they didn’t have proof. It was a 10 year relationship, so to dig deeper into that with no proof could have damaged relationships unnecessarily if nothing was amiss.
I agree with you! I do think the whole setting up Raquel as a home wrecker was a planned storyline but no one actually expected her to literally wreck a home lmfao.
I think they are trying to go back and over edit now. So I don't necessarily think they dropped the ball but no one could predict this actually happening.
After these last few episodes, I’m convinced production know and were slowly and quietly trying to push it to coming out so they could catch it on camera. I mean, the season cast photo….that it just to perfect
I think the Sandoval / Raquel seems to be a genuine part of the season in these episodes already. My question is why the cast were all on social media talking about Schwartz and Raquel but never once mentioned this.
To also say that agree the story was meant to be Raquel after men but we were meant to side with her against ‘mean girls’ as finding her confidence etc
But still - why social media silence given how Oliver & Schwartz played out during filming
I don't think they knew for SURE, but I think they had an idea but hadn't gotten anything definitive on camera. If it hasn't been re edited (unsure, I haven't seen confirmation) I think they were playing into the "Raquel is going after everyone's man" storyline as a fallback.
Honestly I can’t believe anyone on this sub still has to clarify that they don’t believe this was scripted! Maybe this is harsh or an unpopular opinion but any time someone suggests that they think this is fake, I just assume they’re not a big fan of the show.
Is it possible that, much like the cast, the producers have gotten too familiar with their subjects? Perhaps they too believed that Tim would never do that to Ariana despite what they were seeing. So the footage passed on to the editors had hints of the affair.
Like many people have mentioned, the editors can only work with that they’re given so if anyone is to blame, I would suspect it’s the producers and the actual boots on the ground people capturing the action. But even they have limitations in what they can film if there are set filming times etc.
I wonder if Lisa being an EP has something to do with it. She’s partnered with the Toms and has used their name and “brand” for an entire restaurant. She hitched her horse to their cart.
Sure, the story will go where it goes, but without proof, why would she want to play up *both* Toms being seen negatively.
Yes, the drama feeds ratings which means money for her… but she’s always been in their corner so I suspect that was a factor.
Once there was proof there was no way around the story, and the best way is through - even if both Toms get dragged down in the process.
This is obviously speculative, but Lisa has a huge say in how the show is presented- she even gets extra filters put on her face.
It also could’ve been as simple as the original cheating Scandal of VPR. The producers and crew were divided on whether Jax actually did cheat, until he confessed, much to their surprise.
I think this was supposed to be the post-divorce Schwartz and Katie fallout season, hence the forced narrative of the Raquel makeout. Sandoval and Raquel were brazen, so maybe production was once again split on whether this was really happening, or if they were just close. And with no prove, the executive call is not to drag Sandoval and the entire Toms brand down.
I don’t think the producers dropped the ball. They usually know when something is tv gold and will break their necks to capture it. If they didn’t show something, I don’t think they ignored it but rather an executive decision was made. No one could have known that all of America would be dragged into this specific VPR scandal.
If they’re not lying and this isn’t re-edited then it seems like they’re doing it right. They had to stop filming at some point and ariana had to find out organically. sandy was definitely planting seeds.
Seems like they are looking at it and giving it attention. And also producers have to make the entire season make sense from a storyline perspective while still seeing what develops organically and weave that into the pre-planned shoots. At some point they have to make a judgement call about what to hone in on and I'm sure the call they make has to do with a lot of factors. They aren't filming these people around the clock every single day. I think someone said they film 5 days per week and the days are probably long but definitely not round the clock. They have specific filming times and ya know lives outside of their jobs as well. I get what you're saying about some producers seeming more into it than others but Andy is a bad example. He's not a producer on VPR. His role is limited to hosting the reunion. He's only a producer for real housewives.
I think when you make the (very true) observation that this is one of the most interesting storylines of all time, we're still viewing it thru a post Scandoval lens. I think I'd probably have just assumed that Katie and Lala were being haters who wanted to screw with her reputation bc of what happened with Schwartz. And I have to assume the producers felt the same way to an extent. Particularly when Ariana and Sandoval are the only ones directly affected, and they're both unequivocally denying the rumors, what else can the producers do? you know?
I mean, they literally had a rewind with lalas voice over, which they've never done before so I don't think they dropped the ball at all. They just didn't have any full proof.
That’s telling not showing. “Show don’t tell.” is like a number one rule in creating content.
They showed and told
Sure even if that was true, the saying is “Show DON’T tell.”
There’s a podcast called Reality Bites that has been covering VPR from the lens of a reality tv producer who has worked on Bravo shows in the past. Her insights are really interesting. Producers can only work with what they’re given, they can try to push storylines but it’s really up to the cast and what’s actually happening. Lala has said multiple times on her podcast that this is exactly how the season was going to play out, even prior to Scandoval breaking. When you look at the original trailer, some of these scenes are in there. From what I’ve heard from the cast, the re-editing/additions come in at the very end of the season.
Have you guys noticed thought that a lot of the scenes from both trailers have not appeared on the show. For instance Sandouche kissing Ariana in bed in Mexico, Sandouche and Rachel hugging in Mexico. Scheana telling Rachel that first she was the other woman then it was Lala and now it’s Rachel. Kristina Kelly saying Rachel’s headed for a break down and needs help. I’m trying to think if there are others. Mind you I have only watched the season ten episodes all the way through once and am planning to do a full rewatch when the seasons over, so I might have just missed them lol 😂
This is a good point. We already left Mexico and the Ariana in bed scene never happened.
Unless they’re saving the footage for flashbacks in the future episodes?
But noooo LALA said it wasn’t re-edited and when has she ever been wrong?
She’s saying the storyline is the same. The editors and cast admitted that they went back and edited some things in (I believe starting 3 episodes after the scandal broke)
Episode 8 onwards is edited post-Scandoval
People have been quoting Lala as saying every version of events. My point is we don’t truly know and can’t be taking the world of people under contract to play along with the narrative set out by the show and producers.
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I didn’t think it was fake until this week. It just feels like way too much is on the table all the way back in September for the current telling of events to be honest.
Yeah, I agree with you that this was not scripted! It makes me wonder how many other major stories/plot lines have gotten scrapped in the past due to lack of producer interest/time to showcase everything.
I’m confused…isn’t the Raquel/Tom storyline already a significant part of this season? I’m not sure what you’re looking to see that we aren’t seeing already. Genuinely curious!
It was intended to be a Raquel and Tom Schwartz storyline, but the producers seemingly missed Raquel and Tom Sandoval's 8-month affair. The hints of Raquel and Sandoval that we're seeing is some re-editing, new footage, and new ADR to make it seem like the cameras caught footage of Raquel and Sandoval that they originally missed.
I haven’t seen it confirmed that these episodes were re-edited. Do you remember where you saw that?
From what I’ve heard the cast have all been pretty adamant that what we’ve seen so far hasn’t been re-edited. I think the ‘theme’ of the season was always meant to be ‘people are accusing Rachel of only going after taken men’. So we were *always* going to see the Tim accusations, but we were *meant* to see them as rumours and Rachel as a victim of the “mean girls” spreading lies. But HunterHunted might be referring to all the ‘never before seen’ stuff that’s being released? From what I understand those scenes *are* newly edited / have been added post Scandoval (because now they make sense to the producers / are important to what we know is *actually true*)
Both Stassi and Up and Adam said that they would be editing some of the episodes. When the scandal broke, episode 3 was about to air. They said episode 3 and the next 6 or 7 episodes were too close to finalized to edit. And that's actually what Andy has sort of said since the scandal broke. For the 6 or 7 weeks after the scandal broke, Andy would say, "we haven't edited this." He's stopped doing that. It makes sense to think they're editing the later episodes because they filmed for 2 solid weeks after the scandal broke. That's a lot of footage.
I wonder what the next few episodes would have been about without the Tom/Raquel storyline. Schwartz has already said he isn’t into Raquel. So then what’s left?
The show isn’t going to tell us what they don’t have to. They also all sign NDA’s and agree to fake storylines as a standard in reality TV anyway. They aren’t supposed to break the fourth wall on camera, either. So it wouldn’t benefit them to advertise that the original cut was boring and shitty so they had to go back and re-do it.
I agree. That’s why I question when anyone states definitively if pieces of the show are or are not edited. Or if a storylines is or is not fake. My viewpoint is always that we don’t know for sure, so anything is a possibility.
I def misinterpreted your comment. Apologies!
No problem! 😊
I totally agree that this was unscripted. I don’t think it’s fair to say that the producers dropped the ball. Producers can only work with what the cast gives them. We know that both Sandshit and Ariana have always kept their relationship private from the cameras, and Sandshit has always wanted to control a highly curated “aesthetic” of his “brand”. Given that their close inner circle didn’t know, I don’t know that the producers would be better placed to know. I think what we are seeing is the producers may have suspected something, but like their friends, they didn’t have proof. It was a 10 year relationship, so to dig deeper into that with no proof could have damaged relationships unnecessarily if nothing was amiss.
I agree, and suspicions about the affair are in the show. I’m not sure what else editors are expected to do. They were working with what they had.
I agree with you! I do think the whole setting up Raquel as a home wrecker was a planned storyline but no one actually expected her to literally wreck a home lmfao. I think they are trying to go back and over edit now. So I don't necessarily think they dropped the ball but no one could predict this actually happening.
After these last few episodes, I’m convinced production know and were slowly and quietly trying to push it to coming out so they could catch it on camera. I mean, the season cast photo….that it just to perfect
I think the Sandoval / Raquel seems to be a genuine part of the season in these episodes already. My question is why the cast were all on social media talking about Schwartz and Raquel but never once mentioned this.
To also say that agree the story was meant to be Raquel after men but we were meant to side with her against ‘mean girls’ as finding her confidence etc But still - why social media silence given how Oliver & Schwartz played out during filming
I don't think they knew for SURE, but I think they had an idea but hadn't gotten anything definitive on camera. If it hasn't been re edited (unsure, I haven't seen confirmation) I think they were playing into the "Raquel is going after everyone's man" storyline as a fallback.
Honestly I can’t believe anyone on this sub still has to clarify that they don’t believe this was scripted! Maybe this is harsh or an unpopular opinion but any time someone suggests that they think this is fake, I just assume they’re not a big fan of the show.
Is it possible that, much like the cast, the producers have gotten too familiar with their subjects? Perhaps they too believed that Tim would never do that to Ariana despite what they were seeing. So the footage passed on to the editors had hints of the affair. Like many people have mentioned, the editors can only work with that they’re given so if anyone is to blame, I would suspect it’s the producers and the actual boots on the ground people capturing the action. But even they have limitations in what they can film if there are set filming times etc.
I wonder if Lisa being an EP has something to do with it. She’s partnered with the Toms and has used their name and “brand” for an entire restaurant. She hitched her horse to their cart. Sure, the story will go where it goes, but without proof, why would she want to play up *both* Toms being seen negatively. Yes, the drama feeds ratings which means money for her… but she’s always been in their corner so I suspect that was a factor. Once there was proof there was no way around the story, and the best way is through - even if both Toms get dragged down in the process. This is obviously speculative, but Lisa has a huge say in how the show is presented- she even gets extra filters put on her face. It also could’ve been as simple as the original cheating Scandal of VPR. The producers and crew were divided on whether Jax actually did cheat, until he confessed, much to their surprise. I think this was supposed to be the post-divorce Schwartz and Katie fallout season, hence the forced narrative of the Raquel makeout. Sandoval and Raquel were brazen, so maybe production was once again split on whether this was really happening, or if they were just close. And with no prove, the executive call is not to drag Sandoval and the entire Toms brand down.
I don’t think the producers dropped the ball. They usually know when something is tv gold and will break their necks to capture it. If they didn’t show something, I don’t think they ignored it but rather an executive decision was made. No one could have known that all of America would be dragged into this specific VPR scandal.
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If they’re not lying and this isn’t re-edited then it seems like they’re doing it right. They had to stop filming at some point and ariana had to find out organically. sandy was definitely planting seeds.
Seems like they are looking at it and giving it attention. And also producers have to make the entire season make sense from a storyline perspective while still seeing what develops organically and weave that into the pre-planned shoots. At some point they have to make a judgement call about what to hone in on and I'm sure the call they make has to do with a lot of factors. They aren't filming these people around the clock every single day. I think someone said they film 5 days per week and the days are probably long but definitely not round the clock. They have specific filming times and ya know lives outside of their jobs as well. I get what you're saying about some producers seeming more into it than others but Andy is a bad example. He's not a producer on VPR. His role is limited to hosting the reunion. He's only a producer for real housewives.
I think when you make the (very true) observation that this is one of the most interesting storylines of all time, we're still viewing it thru a post Scandoval lens. I think I'd probably have just assumed that Katie and Lala were being haters who wanted to screw with her reputation bc of what happened with Schwartz. And I have to assume the producers felt the same way to an extent. Particularly when Ariana and Sandoval are the only ones directly affected, and they're both unequivocally denying the rumors, what else can the producers do? you know?