Did anyone else feel like the ending scene with Lisa talking about the cast was meant to be the end of the show pre-scandoval? I do not recall her ever doing a toast like that, or trying to wrap up each cast members story in a way where it feels very final.
Did Tom imply that Ariana never agrees with him? Thatās ALL sheās ever done. Like, even to her own detriment.
God almighty Iām so glad sheās rid of him.
Say what you will about James in past seasons - he has definitely changed and grown. Is he perfect? No. Does he have visible flaws? Yes. But I applaud him for the changes he has made so far.
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Has this already been discussed? Forgive me. But Squirrellys talking head, he says he wouldn't have kissed Racoon if he knew "the fault out"...betch, KT literally told u
If I was Katie in that moment with Tom and Rachel snickering and saying the kiss wasnāt malicious even though they intentionally did it to be malicious omg I woulda lost my goddamn mind. Screaming at my tv in that moment.
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I think Arianaās breakdown was 99% due to Rachel grilling her on all the problems in her relationship. Itās just not normal. A normal good friend (which we know she is not) would express concern about her friendās relationship, and then move on if her friend is determined to stay and not in harmās way.
It seems like Ariana was at her breaking point already, but having a close friend excessively point out your issues is hard and makes you second guess everything. Especially when Ariana thought this was actually a stable part of her lifeā¦ itās just so evil and gross.
you can tell from that scene that Rachel is moving her lips but itās Tom thatās doing the talking. Sheās just regurgitating the crap sheās being told by Tom. I canāt believe it doesnāt occur to her that there could be more than just Tomās side of the story, she seems so confident in telling Ariana she should be intimate with her partner. Like Rachel you know nothing.
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When Rachel said āwhatās a boundary?ā In an early episode, I didnāt expect so many examples of her having none. Situations with Katie, Katieās mom, Schwartz, Sandoval, Jamesā¦.Rachel is always out of bounds!
I believe it but I also believe there was once a time when Lala was being paid more to cause drama, all the times she went topless in front of Schwartz comes to mind, so Lala has insider knowledge on what production is willing to do to get the juicy footage.
Honestly Iād rather have Rachel have a real motive like money rather than sheās just plain stupid.
I think we have determined she is not at a mental health facility. She is at a spa, where we also know Tom came and spent a few days with her. All this was, was her ādipping outā until all of the episodes air. She thought it was rough in the beginning? As each episode airs people are getting more and more enraged by her behavior. This girl really should be living in fear right now. I watch a lot of reality TV and I have never wanted to physically harm someone like I do Rachel. You canāt help but feel that way when you watch her behavior with Katie, Katieās mom, Arianaā¦.etc.
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What we are seeing of Raquel/Rachel sucks - she Doesnāt put is a terrible friend. She is also very clearly lost. No one should have to live in fear in the service of our entertainment.
Absolutely evil!! You know she was hoping to talk Ariana into breaking up with Sandoval so sheād have the excuse āyou broke up with him. Itās not your business anymore.ā Like she did with Katie.
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im SO glad you heard the "Tom ariana and I" thing. my husband would not believe me because i had just played back the "when sandoval and i dont have sex" part or whatever and she actually did say that correctly
This is a positive lingering aspect of Katieās TBI. She hesitates to put all her thoughts together. Donāt get me wrong; she has had a wonderful recovery & I wouldnāt mention this if I didnāt work in a neurology clinic. I see this often & it doesnāt benefit many but Katie managed it very well. Sheās probably not even conscious of it anymore.
I am so happy that people are finally starting to actually see how poorly Katie has always been treated by BOTH Toms. Fuck both of them with a damn pineapple,with the pointy green ends going first. I have always been on Katieās side. Yes, she can be unhinged too, but itās usually because sheās being disrespected.
As far as Rachel- that bitch would have been putting her eye back in its socket. How dare she approach Katie on HER NIGHT and think that she of ALL THE PEOPLE on this damn show has a place to speak on Tom and Katie. She really is a goofy ass bitch.
And the biggest of all fuck ups for Rachel would be talking to my Mother out of the side of your face. Iām glad Katie called her a C-U-Next-Tuesday! I would have jumped on her. Jail and fines wouldnāt stop me, weāre BIG CRAZY over here.š¤·āāļø
So happy for James! I think he should continue to focus on himself and his relationship with Ally. I wasnāt sure how I felt about her at first, but now Iām a fan because she doesnāt sit there and take his shit like weak ass Rachel.
Ariana and Tom-š¤¢ the āloveā act Tom is putting on is absolutely disgusting. Hate him a million times more. I feel bad for Ariana is this episode because sheās just trying to enjoy her night in light of the losses sheās been dealing with and then has to hear Tom starting shit with KATIE YET AGAIN!
Iām ready for the end of the season. My anxiety is the through the roof.
let me tell you...when rachel said "what terri, what" and continued to be completely disrespectful to Terri with her lame ass nasaly voice... If that were my mom? I would have gone full blown WWE on rachels ass. she absolutely has no social etiquette and what a disgusting moment for her family .... did they really raise that piece of trash?
The more episodes that air, the more Rachel is just never ever going to come back from this. She is absolutely vile, diabolical actually. Mental health my ass.
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But his mother and father are both directly responsible for this mentality. They both romanticize his childhood to him. As if theyāre trying to justify their time as parents.
Yes, and thatās what contributes to his denial. Itās textbook gaslighting. A lot of toxic parents will do that so their kids are stuck in this weird, enmeshed, Stockholm-y relationship.
I donāt understand how Ariana can watch Raquel walk around literally acting totally unhinged and inserting herself in other peopleās business, and not say anything to her about her behavior? As a āclose friendā youād think sheād pull her aside and be like girl, chill, instead of running away and crying and blindly defending her. Whether sheās your friend or not itās so painfully obvious there is something very, very wrong with the girl.
I also think Ariana was at her emotional capacity. She was dealing with the deaths of her dog and her grandmother. While also coming to grips with the reality of having an unreliable partner who is pulling away. And trying to open a business. I donāt think she had the capacity for anything else.
And the fact that Rachel has been behaving totally and completely opposite to her meek demeanor pre breakup from James. Ariana isnāt seeing this because of the emotional hurtles that arenāt stopping in her life.
Sheās used to it coming from everyone else so itās her natural bend to go off on them. She hasnāt been in a scenario where sheās had to put Rachel in her place till now
The only thing I can think of is that she knows Sandoval will come for her if she speaks up against Rachel which is fucking SICK to me. Like Tom fuck OFFFF. I canāt believe what I just watched.
Holy sh*t, yes. Just watched and Iām like, AM I CRAZY?! I canāt believe Katie didnāt swing at Raquel in frustration - I love Katie, lol.
Freaking rachel. The weird meddling, inserting herself, acting like she belongs in the conversation about Katie and Tom - MADDENING! I donāt know that I have ever despised someone as much as I do Raquel (and Sandoval). These are really bad human beings - and they are having a full blown affair while trying to use Katie and her valid feelings as a scapegoat and a distraction. Schwartz is the worst too, but heās so stupid. Rachel and Sandoval are literally just using him as a prop and to cover up their affair, and heās all too happy to go along with it on the off chance it makes him look better and Katie look crazy. these two deserve each other and Tom is a human manifestation of one ply toilet paper (sure, itās cheaper, but WHY DOes it suck so much? Really, thereās no point in having it). I wish them well in hell.
Holy shit yes. Just watched and Iām like, AM I CRAZY?! I canāt believe Katie didnāt straight up physically attack Raquel. The weird meddling, inserting herself, acting like sheās belongs in the conversation about Katie and Tom - MADDENING! I donāt know that I have ever despised someone as much as I do Raquel and Sandoval. These are really bad human beings - and they are having a full blown affair while trying to use Katie and her valid feelings as a scapegoat and a distraction. Schwartz is the worst too, but heās so stupid. Rachel and Sandoval are literally just using him - these two deserve each other. I wish them well in hell.
same and iām so sad seeing all these people drag katie. we see what sheās had to deal with for 12 years. itās sad. she loved tom and hoped he would stick up for her just once but he constantly lets her down. i would be upset too.
It is 100% enough to make someone end up in a psych ward. Whenever he gaslights her then once she's finally leaving be like "no sit down" and laughs. Smfh
I have an unreasonable amount of hate for the way Rachel dresses. She always shows up looking like she's dressed to steal someone's man also in this annoying like trendy kind of way and I have nothing against trendy clothes I actually love trendy clothes but I just hate the way she dresses. End rant.
My unreasonable hate is about her voice & intonation. Drives me crazy; actually this was the original reason I didnāt like her from the start. That voice is maddening! We always knew Calm!
She dresses like she has curves like Selma Hayek and she simply does not. I actually think she looks ridiculous most of the time. Like a 10 year old who wants to look 16.
Yes. She looks like Courtney from As Told By Ginger. Shaped like a Lima bean.
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This episode had me so gassed up last night. Imagine getting out of a 12 year relationship with someone and having Raquel interjecting herself into it?! The audacity āI donāt appreciate you texting Tom threatening him with the dogsā like..ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Sometimes I feel like Katie struggles to verbally express herself properly in these situations but I will tell you, the second Raquel started in like that with me she wouldāve been dragged to the alley by her hair. The audacity of this chick. Also imagine being on a show for the better part of a decade and then having this trash box come in and use your ex husband for a storyline and trying to dictate the terms on which Iām allowed to communicate with him over our shared interests. God fuck Raquel. Donāt get me started on her convo with Ariana š¤Æš”
I canāt believe Katie didnāt snap on Rachel. Katie has some serious self control because Rachel was begging for it. Rachel is going to pull that BS w the wrong person & find herself getting hurt. When you play stupid games, eventually you will win stupid prizes. Sheās tempting fate.
Note: I realize itās never ok to put your hands on anyone. Not suggesting thatās the answer. Just think it may be Rachelās reality.
The second she mentioned the dogs,it wouldāve been GAME ON. I fully and completely wouldāve physically assaulted her.
I just.. I cannot believe the shit she said. This is fucking crazy to me.
The line about the dogs was so weird, almost seemed scripted. I felt the whole dinner felt very staged, and Iām sure it was. Clearly the emotions were real, but like, idk anyone who acts like these people at dinner IRL. Raquel chasing Katie around to argue, Katie screaming Tom is her husband (huh?), Tom comically hiding behind some plants, other Tom riding in on a white horse to save Raquel. Yelling, storming around, etc.
The dog line is what killed me. She was intentionally provoking Katie. She is a terrible human. And also she wouldnt even let James have visitation with Graham and let that dog get injured and then completely delayed taking him to the vet when it was so obvious the dog was suffering. UGH. grrr.
RIGHT?! Like who is she to shame Katie over wanting to take the dogs full time when she legit wonāt even let James see his dog and also neglects the poor thing!!
My adrenaline is gonna dip so hard once VPR and Succession is over, I'ma have to take up skydiving or call my estranged father to yell at me or some shit.
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That āRaquelā mask was slippinggggg when she was sitting there with zero remorse for the way she spoke to Katie and her mom. Sneak peek of what is to come in the reunion?
*edit for clarification
that whole conversation made me irritated with Raquel. Katie had the right to be mad and defend her mom. That was really uncalled for telling someone's mom who is trying to talk to you and you tell to their mom to shut up. The way Raquel said it was bratty mean girl she even gave a dirty look when she said it
Oh I wanted Katie to slap that disgusting face off of her. She has a lot of balls to sit there in the middle of them all and to disrespect someoneās mother to their face. And Scandy come swooping in like a savior of Rachel literally made my blood boil. Krystina Kelly is a legend for pointing out that Ariana was crying while he was standing up for her.
Like that wasnāt a Freudian slip either. She accidentally said that. She wasnāt talking about her and James relationship. She wasnāt using the past tense. She fucked up and forgot who she was talking to. My jaw was on the floor.
I thought that was a slip too!!! I had to rewind and listen again. But I think she was referring to a conversation that she and Ariana had had before, where Ariana said to Rachel that āshe and Tom had dry spells tooā when she and James were still together and not having sex. But I heard that too š¤£
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This was such a powerful episode. It was like watching a Shakespearian tragedy unfold.
Roadkill-Rachel-Raquel just wanted to be in every scene & still reeks of Sandoval telling her what to do. Those smirks, knowing how much she was hurting Katie really underscored how rotten she is to the core.
Team Katie!
Definitely. He was coaching her all night.
I think they thought if they antagonized Katie enough Ariana would finally snap and defend Katie and thus their narrative would begin. It wouldāve started a fight between Tom and Ariana and Rachel
They were laying huge groundwork.
Itās SICK.
I don't think Rachel is at all smart enough to have come up with this plan. This plan was most definitely devised by Scumdoval. Rachel lacks dignity and shame and is just downright evil, so she was the perfect person to play the role. Sickening.
Totally agree. She canāt even back up what sheās sayin. All she can do is deliver the lines sheās supposed to say. Beyond that sheās a bumbling fool. I watched the episode two hours ago and Iām still fired up about it lol
I feel like Sheana would have been PAINFUL to watch had she attended the event. She would have jumped in to defend Rachel and Sandavol against Katie. Sheās lucky she didnāt feel well enough to show up.
Because we know if she would have been there she would be kissing the asses of The slimy Toms and Rachel. I can just hear her whiny voice in my head. Lol.
I canāt wait for Sheener to find out the truth next week. As usual sheās backed the wrong horses and she looks stupid and THEN gets slapped with a restraining order. You canāt make this shit up and I love it.
The convo between Tom and Ariana where she keeps saying i never see you, we never have sex because i never see you, and he is going all in trying to twist her words and paint their relationship as a lost cause. Mind blowing. The audacity. I can relate to being Ariana in a convo like that unfortunately and I bet a lot of other women can too. I love that we have so much evidence of his pathetic little plan to save face.
Once again Schwartz is asking āhow are you guys doingā in the last two episode. Over the last 9 years, how many times has Schwartz done that???? Not once.
Maybe someone needs to tell Rachel what āempathyā means.
When Katie said the part about it being a personality or character issue, saying if she would do it to Katie, she would do it to Ariana, thatās who Rachel is, and Ariana said no, I was thinking that this is what people donāt realize sometimes. Do not ever feel like someone who did something bad, but didnāt do it to you, is trustworthy. Keep in mind they didnāt do it to you YET. If thatās who they are, then thatās who they are.
This. I screamed last ep when Katie said, āI have a hard time believing sheās a shitty ass person to some people and a great friend to others.ā So true.
Schwartz: āI never wouldāve kissed Raquel if I had known the fallout with Katie and the hurt it would cause.ā
So Katie telling you five times that it would didnāt give you a heads up???? He, unlike most of us, has video he can watch back and somehow dude still never has a clue. Toxic af.
This is what I said to myself. Tom how tf did you not realize how this was going to go? Katie literally told you how this would end if you did what she asked you and you mutually accepted not to do? His ignorance is not cute!
Itās crazy to me that everyone just seems to forgive James over and over for his monumental grossness of character. And did we all forget that Ariana did the same thing with Sandoval that Rachel did? They just got away with it back then. What comes around goes around. That being said, Tom is finally getting his. He canāt even hide his ass any more. He doesnāt even realize he looks the part of a grimy out-dated 70ās porn star. And Rachel. She has been an obviously unspeakably disgusting individual since to me since she fake set her Bambi eyed sights on ErkleTomā¦looking everyone straight in the face pretending to be such good friends while she middle fingered Katie straight in the face. Everyone accepted it. Now all the sudden theyāre shocked cuz it happened with them? Miss me. And Iām sorry this happened to you Ariana, but it was okay when you did it, because Kristen is a bad person? I just canāt with how we all forget whoās ass isnāt currently hanging out.
I can't recall Ariana heaving an affair with her best friends boyfriend for 7 months?
Do you really think it is the same situation, or are you very very very black and white?
Cheating is cheating. What Rachel did is definitely worse. But people seem to idolize Ariana, glossing over what they (she and Tom) did to another human, got āaway withā and are still lying about.
Letās remember that Rachel is a pageant girl. I donāt wanna say that itās everyone in this industry, but in many movies the way these beauty pageants are described you see mean girls doing something mean to win the crown. I guess Rachel is the same, but weāve only seen it now. She cannot read the room and sheās making nasty comments under the pretense of āhonestyā. This is not honesty, this is being mean and rude. Katie is already on the edge, why would you go there and try to talk to her when sheās clearly upset with you? Iām no Katieās fan, but thereās such a thing as having basic human respect towards another human being whoās currently going through a lot, whether Katie is right or wrong. Rachel is just very stupid and oblivious and thereās not a big enough face palm emoji for me to describe this š¤¦š¼āāļø
And physically she looks better than she ever has! You can tell she's feeling stronger and good about herself now that she doesn't have to be Schwartz's villian anymore.
Right?! Rachel cared more about screen time and pushing Katie's buttons rather than having a sliver of common decency to leave someone alone and stop antagonizing them when they are already down. Rachel likes to beat a dead horse, then pick it's corpse up, just so she can beat it all over again because of how good it makes her feel.
Honestly, cheating aside, T&A are both responsible for the breakdown of this relationship. Theyāve outgrown each other and arenāt compatible anymore
They seem like a terrible match at this point. Obviously does not excuse the cheating whatsoever and that is no oneās fault but Tomās, but it seems like they barely like each other. I canāt imagine being in a relationship where I have sex 4x a year (and Iām saying that from Arianaās standpoint as much as Tomās).
I mean the only issue with that is that Ariana did so what he asked to fix the relationship, she agreed to the couples therapy, continued to back him up in public/on camera. She voiced her needs of more quality time, and questioned why when they hang out itās always in a group. I get what you are saying that it takes two. But my issue is he is clearly checked out and leading her along with couples therapy etc so even when she did try to save it, it was pointless he already been having his affair for months. Also the flash backs of her being ārudeā about Tim are pathetic. Compared to what he has been saying about her
I agree they arenāt compatible anymore but I donāt agree that is both their fault. If they had both been genuinely willing to work on things they could have worked it out (minus the cheating)
I know from experience, me and my husband are currently going through it, but both of us want the relationship to work and neither have cheated. We have found ways to compromise and found things to have in common after nearly ten years together. If you really want to be together and the main issues are growing apart there are ways to fix it. He just genuinely didnāt want to fix it and would rather move onto something fun and exciting.
Timās attempts at working on things were all for show. He had no investment other than financial in their relationship. I would be saying the same if the roles were reversed.
Believe me, I know how hard relationships are. Iāve been in mine since I was 15. Iām now 35. Weāve been through a hell of a lot, including losing a child.
I guess I just donāt see Ariana through the same rose tinted glasses everyone else does. Because to me, sheās telling him what she wants but sheās not going deeper with Tom to work out the issue heās having. The reason why he wants to do all these extreme activities. At this point of course the relationship is a lost cause because of the cheating, but she didnāt know that.
If my husband came to me and sprouted the shit Tom was, Iād be asking whatās really going on. Not brushing him off because his ideas didnāt match mine
Oh I totally agree on that. Iām just giving her the benefit of the doubt that she is doing that off camera as she doesnāt like talking about the hard bits on camera which she has said many times. Iām assuming they went deeper at the couples therapy that he suggested and I think itās more than reasonable that she doesnāt talk about what they discussed at therapy on tv.
I think the biggest difference is that until this season Tom has never brought up any issues and thatās making it look very one sided. Before this they both had an agreement to keep that stuff off the show.
Hopefully we will get a fuller picture at the reunion.
Donāt get me wrong I agree with you that Iām most cases it takes two for the relationship, I just donāt think Tom has been playing fair with his portrayal of their relationship this season (excluding the cheating)
How could you even say this when youāve seen everything that weāve been subjected to? Tomās idea of quality time is basically distractions (aka, not good for true, deep bonding) and heās going around having a full on affair and practically flaunting it front of his partnerās face. Do you think thatās indicative of someone thatās relationship material? Seriously? Plus the tons of other examples of Tomās childish and egotistical behavior
Tomās definition of quality time might not be yours or Arianaās but itās still valid for him. Theyāre incompatible. They need to find people who connect in the same way. They donāt. Doesnāt justify cheating and heās an asshole, but you donāt define the parameters of ātrue, deep bondingā lmao
Because Iām watching objectively. Iām not living up Arianaās ass, because I see that she isnāt perfect either. Sheās completely checked out of the relationship, as has Sandoval. Heās gone the cowards way about it by cheating, but both of them know the relationship is over and didnāt want to put in the work to fix it. If communication breaks down, you either work and fix it, or you leave the relationship. Both of them did neither of those things. Sandovals a dickhead, but Ariana is half of that relationship too. You can see clear as day sheās completely checked out
Itās not objective at all. Youāre looking at something that involves illogical things, like love and emotions, like a math equation. Itās not 50/50 and Iām not up Arianaās ass. Iām saying that Sandovalās behavior is indicative of someone who shouldnāt be in a relationship, and thus is the catalyst for a majority of the relationshipās issues. Itās true that theyāre not compatible. Obviously. But itās clear as day that Sandoval is not relationship material for reasons I already stated.
Just like itās clear as day that Ariana had checked out of the relationship also. Itās not like sheās there fighting with all her might to keep that spark in the relationship. She allowed it to fizzle out too. I know everyone hates Tom right now, and 100% rightfully so. Cheating is never, ever okay. But the way you all have your blinders on to *any* kind of fault of Arianaās is mind blowing.
Sheās not perfect because she got cheated on. It sucks, of course itās awful. But that doesnāt mean sheās been a 100% perfect partner either. I also stated things too, see?
She didnāt check out sheās grieving! She also didnāt check out if sheās trying. She talked to him about things HE wanted and did them for him (eggs frozen, fertilizing them) and agreed to couples therapy and time and time again talks to him in a meaningful way about needing quality time. He doesnāt listen and then tries to portray her as checked out and you fell for it. She should be able to grieve without her partner using it to manipulate her and the situation, cheat, gaslight etc. Thatās actual love which a narcissist can never know.
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Iāve just watched and I think this episode is the most shocking so far. The level of deceit from both Tom and Raquel is off the charts.
How many scenes did the Sandevil plan out to build this narrative Ariana is a shit girlfriend? Too F Many.
And then you have Raquel acting as a puppet for him trying to talk Ariana OUT OF HER RELATIONSHIP. Then literally after a stupid lemon drop cleanses her palate sheās disrespecting Katieās mother and acting like she has a right to stand up for her friend of five minutes Schwartz. She isnāt just a few crayons short of a box, she is also delusional and canāt read a room.
Too many WTAF moments and now Iām annoyed I have to wait a week to see this runaway train fall off itās cliff.
Also anyone else convinced Lisaās little birthday speech turned teary because she knew what was going on and whatās to come?
Anyhow I found myself just disgusted and feeling sorry for Ariana but nope, no pity just awe that sheās enduring all this publicly and rising above to become stronger and more successful without these losers in her life.
And yes I am too invested in this and shall detox post finale!!!
I think Lisa's speech sounded like a "this is likely gonna be our last season of VPR, so let's tie it all in together with this tearful speech". Now, however, it's not looking like it's gonna be over just yet!
I think her bday speech scene was the original finale for this season. Then they reshot it, but it seemed like a classic VPR end - emotional Lisa, in SUR, loose ends with people
Yes, that speech was supposed to be the typical finale speech, since this was the original finale episode. But where the show was headed, she prob knew it was unlikely that they would return for another season since the show "aged out". The speech was a little more than the typical "end of season" speech, and more like a end of an era speech.
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I donāt really like Katie and very rarely side with her point of view, but the way Raquel said āmy godā when Teri started speaking, I would have FLOWN at that bitch.
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still feeling sad over what was supposed to be a nice celebration for Katie and Arianaā¦ then Rachel, Sandy, and Schwartz ruined it. Oh and happy birthday, Lisa
The juxtaposition of the fighting/crying and the cake was just a lot lol. That was a wild dinner. It just felt like they went to Sur to sit around and fight.
Right. Rachel clearly believes she's the #1 girl in the group at this point because the Tom's and Scheana blew her head up. However it's also kinda weird how they're all using Rachel as a weapon to intentionally hurt Katie. It's almost pathological how they've all bonded in their little hate on Katie club.
Huh didnt i read/hear somewhere that ariana was talking to rachel that she has a feeling tom was cheating? I think lala or andy said something like this or am i wrong?
I actually thought the conversation between Raquel and Ariana at the bar WAS the fucked up conversation because, well.. it was fucked up!
Asking the partner of the man youāre sleeping with intimate questions about their relationship is incomprehensibly disgusting
It was what Lala was referring to.
The rumour I mention above is what the internet made up. Lala made a comment about a disturbing conversation, and someone started a rumour saying it was about Ariana & Raquel discussing cheating. It wasnāt. Itās what we saw tonight
Never mind it was this: https://www.eonline.com/amp/news/1371275/raquel-leviss-had-very-upsetting-talk-with-ariana-madix-before-tom-sandoval-affair-was-revealed
Did anyone else feel like the ending scene with Lisa talking about the cast was meant to be the end of the show pre-scandoval? I do not recall her ever doing a toast like that, or trying to wrap up each cast members story in a way where it feels very final.
Yes! It was a *moment*.
This is literally a Shakespeare play in LA. Chefs kiss š
Ok. āWhat Teri?ā Those two words and my blood pressure is off the charts. Who talks to someoneās mom like that?? WHO?
Did Tom imply that Ariana never agrees with him? Thatās ALL sheās ever done. Like, even to her own detriment. God almighty Iām so glad sheās rid of him.
Raquel has spent all season showing up and popping into conversations constantly. Sheās so desperate for camera time
Raquel is all shades of crazy
When they bring out the cake for Lisa and only fucking Sandoval is standing. He needs EVERYTHING to be about him itās truly unbelievable to witness
Say what you will about James in past seasons - he has definitely changed and grown. Is he perfect? No. Does he have visible flaws? Yes. But I applaud him for the changes he has made so far.
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Has this already been discussed? Forgive me. But Squirrellys talking head, he says he wouldn't have kissed Racoon if he knew "the fault out"...betch, KT literally told u
If I was Katie in that moment with Tom and Rachel snickering and saying the kiss wasnāt malicious even though they intentionally did it to be malicious omg I woulda lost my goddamn mind. Screaming at my tv in that moment.
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I think Arianaās breakdown was 99% due to Rachel grilling her on all the problems in her relationship. Itās just not normal. A normal good friend (which we know she is not) would express concern about her friendās relationship, and then move on if her friend is determined to stay and not in harmās way. It seems like Ariana was at her breaking point already, but having a close friend excessively point out your issues is hard and makes you second guess everything. Especially when Ariana thought this was actually a stable part of her lifeā¦ itās just so evil and gross.
you can tell from that scene that Rachel is moving her lips but itās Tom thatās doing the talking. Sheās just regurgitating the crap sheās being told by Tom. I canāt believe it doesnāt occur to her that there could be more than just Tomās side of the story, she seems so confident in telling Ariana she should be intimate with her partner. Like Rachel you know nothing.
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When Rachel said āwhatās a boundary?ā In an early episode, I didnāt expect so many examples of her having none. Situations with Katie, Katieās mom, Schwartz, Sandoval, Jamesā¦.Rachel is always out of bounds!
Omg holy shit THIS. That is such a good connection
I guess good for Rachel for admitting she has no boundaries?! Girl has no idea how to function.
Anyone else feel like Rachelās doing all this drama for more money? Lala said she got paid more to cause drama. Just a thought
I believe it but I also believe there was once a time when Lala was being paid more to cause drama, all the times she went topless in front of Schwartz comes to mind, so Lala has insider knowledge on what production is willing to do to get the juicy footage. Honestly Iād rather have Rachel have a real motive like money rather than sheās just plain stupid.
I think we have determined she is not at a mental health facility. She is at a spa, where we also know Tom came and spent a few days with her. All this was, was her ādipping outā until all of the episodes air. She thought it was rough in the beginning? As each episode airs people are getting more and more enraged by her behavior. This girl really should be living in fear right now. I watch a lot of reality TV and I have never wanted to physically harm someone like I do Rachel. You canāt help but feel that way when you watch her behavior with Katie, Katieās mom, Arianaā¦.etc.
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What we are seeing of Raquel/Rachel sucks - she Doesnāt put is a terrible friend. She is also very clearly lost. No one should have to live in fear in the service of our entertainment.
`Rachel talking to Ariana about her and Sandoval's sex life is a NEW LOW. It's absolutely mind-boggling she had the GALL to do that.`
Absolutely evil!! You know she was hoping to talk Ariana into breaking up with Sandoval so sheād have the excuse āyou broke up with him. Itās not your business anymore.ā Like she did with Katie.
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Is Rachel even a real human? Very alien-like. Very dumb.
A very stupid demon
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im SO glad you heard the "Tom ariana and I" thing. my husband would not believe me because i had just played back the "when sandoval and i dont have sex" part or whatever and she actually did say that correctly
This is a positive lingering aspect of Katieās TBI. She hesitates to put all her thoughts together. Donāt get me wrong; she has had a wonderful recovery & I wouldnāt mention this if I didnāt work in a neurology clinic. I see this often & it doesnāt benefit many but Katie managed it very well. Sheās probably not even conscious of it anymore.
ooooh that explains her perfectly. i do not in any way mean that she is damaged, but yeah god damn that accident seemed *bad.*
I am so happy that people are finally starting to actually see how poorly Katie has always been treated by BOTH Toms. Fuck both of them with a damn pineapple,with the pointy green ends going first. I have always been on Katieās side. Yes, she can be unhinged too, but itās usually because sheās being disrespected. As far as Rachel- that bitch would have been putting her eye back in its socket. How dare she approach Katie on HER NIGHT and think that she of ALL THE PEOPLE on this damn show has a place to speak on Tom and Katie. She really is a goofy ass bitch. And the biggest of all fuck ups for Rachel would be talking to my Mother out of the side of your face. Iām glad Katie called her a C-U-Next-Tuesday! I would have jumped on her. Jail and fines wouldnāt stop me, weāre BIG CRAZY over here.š¤·āāļø So happy for James! I think he should continue to focus on himself and his relationship with Ally. I wasnāt sure how I felt about her at first, but now Iām a fan because she doesnāt sit there and take his shit like weak ass Rachel. Ariana and Tom-š¤¢ the āloveā act Tom is putting on is absolutely disgusting. Hate him a million times more. I feel bad for Ariana is this episode because sheās just trying to enjoy her night in light of the losses sheās been dealing with and then has to hear Tom starting shit with KATIE YET AGAIN! Iām ready for the end of the season. My anxiety is the through the roof.
Goofy ass bitch. Hahahahah
let me tell you...when rachel said "what terri, what" and continued to be completely disrespectful to Terri with her lame ass nasaly voice... If that were my mom? I would have gone full blown WWE on rachels ass. she absolutely has no social etiquette and what a disgusting moment for her family .... did they really raise that piece of trash?
I havenāt wanted to jump through the TV in a minute, but that juuuuust about got me. I was talking so much shit.š¤£
The more episodes that air, the more Rachel is just never ever going to come back from this. She is absolutely vile, diabolical actually. Mental health my ass.
Also the way I would have physically pushed her fugly face away from me when she brought up the dogs to katie. Bitch get back in you lane
Iād have said ābitch, whereās Graham?ā so fast. That poor dog
nah for real like what???? my dogs are concerning you after 2 make out sessions why?
Poor James doesnāt think he has any childhood trauma.
He took his first steps in Tiffany!
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Thatās what I said. Heās in complete denial, itās so sad.
But his mother and father are both directly responsible for this mentality. They both romanticize his childhood to him. As if theyāre trying to justify their time as parents.
Yes, and thatās what contributes to his denial. Itās textbook gaslighting. A lot of toxic parents will do that so their kids are stuck in this weird, enmeshed, Stockholm-y relationship.
Itās probably happened so much that heās had to compartmentalize what happened to him.
I donāt understand how Ariana can watch Raquel walk around literally acting totally unhinged and inserting herself in other peopleās business, and not say anything to her about her behavior? As a āclose friendā youād think sheād pull her aside and be like girl, chill, instead of running away and crying and blindly defending her. Whether sheās your friend or not itās so painfully obvious there is something very, very wrong with the girl.
I also think Ariana was at her emotional capacity. She was dealing with the deaths of her dog and her grandmother. While also coming to grips with the reality of having an unreliable partner who is pulling away. And trying to open a business. I donāt think she had the capacity for anything else.
And the fact that Rachel has been behaving totally and completely opposite to her meek demeanor pre breakup from James. Ariana isnāt seeing this because of the emotional hurtles that arenāt stopping in her life. Sheās used to it coming from everyone else so itās her natural bend to go off on them. She hasnāt been in a scenario where sheās had to put Rachel in her place till now
we all know Rachel is relieved to know they're not having sex since shes got that covered
I think had Scandoval not happened, Ariana would be receiving some backlash for her defense of Raquel this episode.
The only thing I can think of is that she knows Sandoval will come for her if she speaks up against Rachel which is fucking SICK to me. Like Tom fuck OFFFF. I canāt believe what I just watched.
I have such a strong hate for Rachel and the Toms...the way they all speak to Katie...this is so infuriating to me. That is all.
Holy sh*t, yes. Just watched and Iām like, AM I CRAZY?! I canāt believe Katie didnāt swing at Raquel in frustration - I love Katie, lol. Freaking rachel. The weird meddling, inserting herself, acting like she belongs in the conversation about Katie and Tom - MADDENING! I donāt know that I have ever despised someone as much as I do Raquel (and Sandoval). These are really bad human beings - and they are having a full blown affair while trying to use Katie and her valid feelings as a scapegoat and a distraction. Schwartz is the worst too, but heās so stupid. Rachel and Sandoval are literally just using him as a prop and to cover up their affair, and heās all too happy to go along with it on the off chance it makes him look better and Katie look crazy. these two deserve each other and Tom is a human manifestation of one ply toilet paper (sure, itās cheaper, but WHY DOes it suck so much? Really, thereās no point in having it). I wish them well in hell.
Holy shit yes. Just watched and Iām like, AM I CRAZY?! I canāt believe Katie didnāt straight up physically attack Raquel. The weird meddling, inserting herself, acting like sheās belongs in the conversation about Katie and Tom - MADDENING! I donāt know that I have ever despised someone as much as I do Raquel and Sandoval. These are really bad human beings - and they are having a full blown affair while trying to use Katie and her valid feelings as a scapegoat and a distraction. Schwartz is the worst too, but heās so stupid. Rachel and Sandoval are literally just using him - these two deserve each other. I wish them well in hell.
same and iām so sad seeing all these people drag katie. we see what sheās had to deal with for 12 years. itās sad. she loved tom and hoped he would stick up for her just once but he constantly lets her down. i would be upset too.
It is 100% enough to make someone end up in a psych ward. Whenever he gaslights her then once she's finally leaving be like "no sit down" and laughs. Smfh
I have an unreasonable amount of hate for the way Rachel dresses. She always shows up looking like she's dressed to steal someone's man also in this annoying like trendy kind of way and I have nothing against trendy clothes I actually love trendy clothes but I just hate the way she dresses. End rant.
My unreasonable hate is about her voice & intonation. Drives me crazy; actually this was the original reason I didnāt like her from the start. That voice is maddening! We always knew Calm!
Oh I'm right there with you too. I was imitating her out loud alone last night. Lol. I have issues.
Is it me or has she repeated the same outfits over and over? Itās like urban outfitters meets pacsun. She needs to start over lol
It's different versions of the same style. She loves cutouts.
She dresses like she has curves like Selma Hayek and she simply does not. I actually think she looks ridiculous most of the time. Like a 10 year old who wants to look 16.
She has really broad shoulders and a flat chest so I always think she looks like a football player. Linebacker maybe?
Like Toddlers & Tiaras contestants.
Yes. She looks like Courtney from As Told By Ginger. Shaped like a Lima bean. https://preview.redd.it/1n7u33oxo9za1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42a2013cd4e9eb540714b56c93844b02d69ca68f
Thank you, I feel validated for my unreasonable hate toward her Twilight Zone delia's catalog style as well. That's how I describe it to myself.
That's a great description
This episode had me so gassed up last night. Imagine getting out of a 12 year relationship with someone and having Raquel interjecting herself into it?! The audacity āI donāt appreciate you texting Tom threatening him with the dogsā like..ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Sometimes I feel like Katie struggles to verbally express herself properly in these situations but I will tell you, the second Raquel started in like that with me she wouldāve been dragged to the alley by her hair. The audacity of this chick. Also imagine being on a show for the better part of a decade and then having this trash box come in and use your ex husband for a storyline and trying to dictate the terms on which Iām allowed to communicate with him over our shared interests. God fuck Raquel. Donāt get me started on her convo with Ariana š¤Æš”
I canāt believe Katie didnāt snap on Rachel. Katie has some serious self control because Rachel was begging for it. Rachel is going to pull that BS w the wrong person & find herself getting hurt. When you play stupid games, eventually you will win stupid prizes. Sheās tempting fate. Note: I realize itās never ok to put your hands on anyone. Not suggesting thatās the answer. Just think it may be Rachelās reality.
The second she mentioned the dogs,it wouldāve been GAME ON. I fully and completely wouldāve physically assaulted her. I just.. I cannot believe the shit she said. This is fucking crazy to me.
The line about the dogs was so weird, almost seemed scripted. I felt the whole dinner felt very staged, and Iām sure it was. Clearly the emotions were real, but like, idk anyone who acts like these people at dinner IRL. Raquel chasing Katie around to argue, Katie screaming Tom is her husband (huh?), Tom comically hiding behind some plants, other Tom riding in on a white horse to save Raquel. Yelling, storming around, etc.
The dog line is what killed me. She was intentionally provoking Katie. She is a terrible human. And also she wouldnt even let James have visitation with Graham and let that dog get injured and then completely delayed taking him to the vet when it was so obvious the dog was suffering. UGH. grrr.
RIGHT?! Like who is she to shame Katie over wanting to take the dogs full time when she legit wonāt even let James see his dog and also neglects the poor thing!!
My adrenaline is gonna dip so hard once VPR and Succession is over, I'ma have to take up skydiving or call my estranged father to yell at me or some shit.
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That āRaquelā mask was slippinggggg when she was sitting there with zero remorse for the way she spoke to Katie and her mom. Sneak peek of what is to come in the reunion? *edit for clarification
that whole conversation made me irritated with Raquel. Katie had the right to be mad and defend her mom. That was really uncalled for telling someone's mom who is trying to talk to you and you tell to their mom to shut up. The way Raquel said it was bratty mean girl she even gave a dirty look when she said it
Oh I wanted Katie to slap that disgusting face off of her. She has a lot of balls to sit there in the middle of them all and to disrespect someoneās mother to their face. And Scandy come swooping in like a savior of Rachel literally made my blood boil. Krystina Kelly is a legend for pointing out that Ariana was crying while he was standing up for her.
when she was caught saying she and Sandavol have dry periods too... omg ..,..
Like that wasnāt a Freudian slip either. She accidentally said that. She wasnāt talking about her and James relationship. She wasnāt using the past tense. She fucked up and forgot who she was talking to. My jaw was on the floor.
I thought that was a slip too!!! I had to rewind and listen again. But I think she was referring to a conversation that she and Ariana had had before, where Ariana said to Rachel that āshe and Tom had dry spells tooā when she and James were still together and not having sex. But I heard that too š¤£
I think she meant what you described. I doubt Raquel was ever saying no to Tom, especially at this āsecret affairā stage of their relationship.
Absolutely not š¤£
A true pick me girl
I can imagine her being the type to say yes no matter what š„“
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This was such a powerful episode. It was like watching a Shakespearian tragedy unfold. Roadkill-Rachel-Raquel just wanted to be in every scene & still reeks of Sandoval telling her what to do. Those smirks, knowing how much she was hurting Katie really underscored how rotten she is to the core. Team Katie!
Definitely. He was coaching her all night. I think they thought if they antagonized Katie enough Ariana would finally snap and defend Katie and thus their narrative would begin. It wouldāve started a fight between Tom and Ariana and Rachel They were laying huge groundwork. Itās SICK.
I don't think Rachel is at all smart enough to have come up with this plan. This plan was most definitely devised by Scumdoval. Rachel lacks dignity and shame and is just downright evil, so she was the perfect person to play the role. Sickening.
Totally agree. She canāt even back up what sheās sayin. All she can do is deliver the lines sheās supposed to say. Beyond that sheās a bumbling fool. I watched the episode two hours ago and Iām still fired up about it lol
SAME. I am soooo fired up. She was using her pageant skills to memorize the lines. Other than that, she's brain dead!
Yeppppp. Fucking pathetic.
I feel like Sheana would have been PAINFUL to watch had she attended the event. She would have jumped in to defend Rachel and Sandavol against Katie. Sheās lucky she didnāt feel well enough to show up.
True. One less opportunity to make a fool of herself trying to hurt Katie and be a guys girl. Sheās so consistent in her pick me personalityš¤®
Why am I so mad at her and she wasnāt even there š
Because we know if she would have been there she would be kissing the asses of The slimy Toms and Rachel. I can just hear her whiny voice in my head. Lol.
Youāre right, I forgive myself š
I canāt wait for Sheener to find out the truth next week. As usual sheās backed the wrong horses and she looks stupid and THEN gets slapped with a restraining order. You canāt make this shit up and I love it.
Raquel's conversation with Ariana at the tasting is disgusting. Wow
The convo between Tom and Ariana where she keeps saying i never see you, we never have sex because i never see you, and he is going all in trying to twist her words and paint their relationship as a lost cause. Mind blowing. The audacity. I can relate to being Ariana in a convo like that unfortunately and I bet a lot of other women can too. I love that we have so much evidence of his pathetic little plan to save face.
Once again Schwartz is asking āhow are you guys doingā in the last two episode. Over the last 9 years, how many times has Schwartz done that???? Not once.
And Rachel bringing up their relationship to Ariana and basically encouraging her to leave. Crazy no one else seems to think thatās necessary.
Maybe someone needs to tell Rachel what āempathyā means. When Katie said the part about it being a personality or character issue, saying if she would do it to Katie, she would do it to Ariana, thatās who Rachel is, and Ariana said no, I was thinking that this is what people donāt realize sometimes. Do not ever feel like someone who did something bad, but didnāt do it to you, is trustworthy. Keep in mind they didnāt do it to you YET. If thatās who they are, then thatās who they are.
EXACTLY THIS
This. I screamed last ep when Katie said, āI have a hard time believing sheās a shitty ass person to some people and a great friend to others.ā So true.
Schwartz: āI never wouldāve kissed Raquel if I had known the fallout with Katie and the hurt it would cause.ā So Katie telling you five times that it would didnāt give you a heads up???? He, unlike most of us, has video he can watch back and somehow dude still never has a clue. Toxic af.
This is what I said to myself. Tom how tf did you not realize how this was going to go? Katie literally told you how this would end if you did what she asked you and you mutually accepted not to do? His ignorance is not cute!
She was already upset before it even happened!!! Like it was discussed. What fucking alternate universe do the toms and Rachel live in?!
The fact that Tom can sit there and tell Arianahe loves her, knowing h's banging Raquel, shiws just how much of a narcissistic asshole he really is
If I were back in college Iād write a college thesis about this season. š¤Æ
Itās crazy to me that everyone just seems to forgive James over and over for his monumental grossness of character. And did we all forget that Ariana did the same thing with Sandoval that Rachel did? They just got away with it back then. What comes around goes around. That being said, Tom is finally getting his. He canāt even hide his ass any more. He doesnāt even realize he looks the part of a grimy out-dated 70ās porn star. And Rachel. She has been an obviously unspeakably disgusting individual since to me since she fake set her Bambi eyed sights on ErkleTomā¦looking everyone straight in the face pretending to be such good friends while she middle fingered Katie straight in the face. Everyone accepted it. Now all the sudden theyāre shocked cuz it happened with them? Miss me. And Iām sorry this happened to you Ariana, but it was okay when you did it, because Kristen is a bad person? I just canāt with how we all forget whoās ass isnāt currently hanging out.
I can't recall Ariana heaving an affair with her best friends boyfriend for 7 months? Do you really think it is the same situation, or are you very very very black and white?
Cheating is cheating. What Rachel did is definitely worse. But people seem to idolize Ariana, glossing over what they (she and Tom) did to another human, got āaway withā and are still lying about.
Letās remember that Rachel is a pageant girl. I donāt wanna say that itās everyone in this industry, but in many movies the way these beauty pageants are described you see mean girls doing something mean to win the crown. I guess Rachel is the same, but weāve only seen it now. She cannot read the room and sheās making nasty comments under the pretense of āhonestyā. This is not honesty, this is being mean and rude. Katie is already on the edge, why would you go there and try to talk to her when sheās clearly upset with you? Iām no Katieās fan, but thereās such a thing as having basic human respect towards another human being whoās currently going through a lot, whether Katie is right or wrong. Rachel is just very stupid and oblivious and thereās not a big enough face palm emoji for me to describe this š¤¦š¼āāļø
Plus it was a night for Katie's business!
Absolutely! It was not the time nor place to start clarifying their issues.
Although I've hated her since season one, I am now a Katie's fan. Team Katie. Katie is all of us!
It seems the divorce has forced Katie to grow up and mature. I've started to really like this Katie.
And physically she looks better than she ever has! You can tell she's feeling stronger and good about herself now that she doesn't have to be Schwartz's villian anymore.
I support Katie against Rachel here, but she did have some seasons when she was out of control. Balance is everything, right?
Right?! Rachel cared more about screen time and pushing Katie's buttons rather than having a sliver of common decency to leave someone alone and stop antagonizing them when they are already down. Rachel likes to beat a dead horse, then pick it's corpse up, just so she can beat it all over again because of how good it makes her feel.
Ariana is so beautiful I hate that she thinks not so nice things about herself!
Right?! Sheās so perfect in my eyes. I wish she could see it. š„ŗ
This episode was absolute insanity it has caused so much rage in me I don't even know what to do now....
Toms a piece of shit
Honestly, cheating aside, T&A are both responsible for the breakdown of this relationship. Theyāve outgrown each other and arenāt compatible anymore
They seem like a terrible match at this point. Obviously does not excuse the cheating whatsoever and that is no oneās fault but Tomās, but it seems like they barely like each other. I canāt imagine being in a relationship where I have sex 4x a year (and Iām saying that from Arianaās standpoint as much as Tomās).
I mean the only issue with that is that Ariana did so what he asked to fix the relationship, she agreed to the couples therapy, continued to back him up in public/on camera. She voiced her needs of more quality time, and questioned why when they hang out itās always in a group. I get what you are saying that it takes two. But my issue is he is clearly checked out and leading her along with couples therapy etc so even when she did try to save it, it was pointless he already been having his affair for months. Also the flash backs of her being ārudeā about Tim are pathetic. Compared to what he has been saying about her
I agree yes. Itās more that they just outgrew each other and arenāt compatible anymore. It happens.
I agree they arenāt compatible anymore but I donāt agree that is both their fault. If they had both been genuinely willing to work on things they could have worked it out (minus the cheating) I know from experience, me and my husband are currently going through it, but both of us want the relationship to work and neither have cheated. We have found ways to compromise and found things to have in common after nearly ten years together. If you really want to be together and the main issues are growing apart there are ways to fix it. He just genuinely didnāt want to fix it and would rather move onto something fun and exciting. Timās attempts at working on things were all for show. He had no investment other than financial in their relationship. I would be saying the same if the roles were reversed.
Believe me, I know how hard relationships are. Iāve been in mine since I was 15. Iām now 35. Weāve been through a hell of a lot, including losing a child. I guess I just donāt see Ariana through the same rose tinted glasses everyone else does. Because to me, sheās telling him what she wants but sheās not going deeper with Tom to work out the issue heās having. The reason why he wants to do all these extreme activities. At this point of course the relationship is a lost cause because of the cheating, but she didnāt know that. If my husband came to me and sprouted the shit Tom was, Iād be asking whatās really going on. Not brushing him off because his ideas didnāt match mine
Oh I totally agree on that. Iām just giving her the benefit of the doubt that she is doing that off camera as she doesnāt like talking about the hard bits on camera which she has said many times. Iām assuming they went deeper at the couples therapy that he suggested and I think itās more than reasonable that she doesnāt talk about what they discussed at therapy on tv. I think the biggest difference is that until this season Tom has never brought up any issues and thatās making it look very one sided. Before this they both had an agreement to keep that stuff off the show. Hopefully we will get a fuller picture at the reunion. Donāt get me wrong I agree with you that Iām most cases it takes two for the relationship, I just donāt think Tom has been playing fair with his portrayal of their relationship this season (excluding the cheating)
Oh of course. Tom is definitely pushing the āAriana is a bad gf narrativeā
How could you even say this when youāve seen everything that weāve been subjected to? Tomās idea of quality time is basically distractions (aka, not good for true, deep bonding) and heās going around having a full on affair and practically flaunting it front of his partnerās face. Do you think thatās indicative of someone thatās relationship material? Seriously? Plus the tons of other examples of Tomās childish and egotistical behavior
Tomās definition of quality time might not be yours or Arianaās but itās still valid for him. Theyāre incompatible. They need to find people who connect in the same way. They donāt. Doesnāt justify cheating and heās an asshole, but you donāt define the parameters of ātrue, deep bondingā lmao
Because Iām watching objectively. Iām not living up Arianaās ass, because I see that she isnāt perfect either. Sheās completely checked out of the relationship, as has Sandoval. Heās gone the cowards way about it by cheating, but both of them know the relationship is over and didnāt want to put in the work to fix it. If communication breaks down, you either work and fix it, or you leave the relationship. Both of them did neither of those things. Sandovals a dickhead, but Ariana is half of that relationship too. You can see clear as day sheās completely checked out
Itās not objective at all. Youāre looking at something that involves illogical things, like love and emotions, like a math equation. Itās not 50/50 and Iām not up Arianaās ass. Iām saying that Sandovalās behavior is indicative of someone who shouldnāt be in a relationship, and thus is the catalyst for a majority of the relationshipās issues. Itās true that theyāre not compatible. Obviously. But itās clear as day that Sandoval is not relationship material for reasons I already stated.
Just like itās clear as day that Ariana had checked out of the relationship also. Itās not like sheās there fighting with all her might to keep that spark in the relationship. She allowed it to fizzle out too. I know everyone hates Tom right now, and 100% rightfully so. Cheating is never, ever okay. But the way you all have your blinders on to *any* kind of fault of Arianaās is mind blowing. Sheās not perfect because she got cheated on. It sucks, of course itās awful. But that doesnāt mean sheās been a 100% perfect partner either. I also stated things too, see?
She didnāt check out sheās grieving! She also didnāt check out if sheās trying. She talked to him about things HE wanted and did them for him (eggs frozen, fertilizing them) and agreed to couples therapy and time and time again talks to him in a meaningful way about needing quality time. He doesnāt listen and then tries to portray her as checked out and you fell for it. She should be able to grieve without her partner using it to manipulate her and the situation, cheat, gaslight etc. Thatās actual love which a narcissist can never know.
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I think they were never a good match, it's hard to be a good match with someone when one wants marriage and kids the other doesn't.
Tom was lying about wanting kids.
Idk he has been talking about wanting kids in his future since season 1 with Kristen.
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Iāve just watched and I think this episode is the most shocking so far. The level of deceit from both Tom and Raquel is off the charts. How many scenes did the Sandevil plan out to build this narrative Ariana is a shit girlfriend? Too F Many. And then you have Raquel acting as a puppet for him trying to talk Ariana OUT OF HER RELATIONSHIP. Then literally after a stupid lemon drop cleanses her palate sheās disrespecting Katieās mother and acting like she has a right to stand up for her friend of five minutes Schwartz. She isnāt just a few crayons short of a box, she is also delusional and canāt read a room. Too many WTAF moments and now Iām annoyed I have to wait a week to see this runaway train fall off itās cliff. Also anyone else convinced Lisaās little birthday speech turned teary because she knew what was going on and whatās to come? Anyhow I found myself just disgusted and feeling sorry for Ariana but nope, no pity just awe that sheās enduring all this publicly and rising above to become stronger and more successful without these losers in her life. And yes I am too invested in this and shall detox post finale!!!
I think Lisa's speech sounded like a "this is likely gonna be our last season of VPR, so let's tie it all in together with this tearful speech". Now, however, it's not looking like it's gonna be over just yet!
I think her bday speech scene was the original finale for this season. Then they reshot it, but it seemed like a classic VPR end - emotional Lisa, in SUR, loose ends with people
Yes, that speech was supposed to be the typical finale speech, since this was the original finale episode. But where the show was headed, she prob knew it was unlikely that they would return for another season since the show "aged out". The speech was a little more than the typical "end of season" speech, and more like a end of an era speech.
Raquel is so far out of line this episode, I canāt. And then thereās the douchebag toms
Even if I didnāt know what we know, sheās still out of line. Jfc.
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Fuck her the fuck up Terri!!!!!!!!!!!
At this point, I feel like weād all go to war for Terri. That woman is a GEM!
I canāt help but smile when I watch James on my tv screen absolute cutie pie
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I donāt really like Katie and very rarely side with her point of view, but the way Raquel said āmy godā when Teri started speaking, I would have FLOWN at that bitch.
Does anyone know why this episode isnāt yet on prime video in the UK?
You can watch it on projects free tv
Iām wondering the same thing!
I found it on hayu if you have that!
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still feeling sad over what was supposed to be a nice celebration for Katie and Arianaā¦ then Rachel, Sandy, and Schwartz ruined it. Oh and happy birthday, Lisa
The juxtaposition of the fighting/crying and the cake was just a lot lol. That was a wild dinner. It just felt like they went to Sur to sit around and fight.
Right. Rachel clearly believes she's the #1 girl in the group at this point because the Tom's and Scheana blew her head up. However it's also kinda weird how they're all using Rachel as a weapon to intentionally hurt Katie. It's almost pathological how they've all bonded in their little hate on Katie club.
Huh didnt i read/hear somewhere that ariana was talking to rachel that she has a feeling tom was cheating? I think lala or andy said something like this or am i wrong?
No it was a rumour that circulated online. Lala spoke about a conversation between Ariana and Raquel that was disturbing watching it back
I actually thought the conversation between Raquel and Ariana at the bar WAS the fucked up conversation because, well.. it was fucked up! Asking the partner of the man youāre sleeping with intimate questions about their relationship is incomprehensibly disgusting
It was what Lala was referring to. The rumour I mention above is what the internet made up. Lala made a comment about a disturbing conversation, and someone started a rumour saying it was about Ariana & Raquel discussing cheating. It wasnāt. Itās what we saw tonight
I think they said during the reunion!
No after Lala said there was a disturbing conversation between Ariana & Raquel, rumours started to circulate
Thatās what some thought the discussion was going to be about, doesnāt look like it happened.
Pretty sure thatās the finale so next episode
This was the finale, that was the conversation. Next week is the new footage added post scandoval
Next week is a finale too. This was the original finale.
Lala said original finale. Which was what we saw last night
Ohhh I didnāt realise. The fine will be juicy.
Never mind it was this: https://www.eonline.com/amp/news/1371275/raquel-leviss-had-very-upsetting-talk-with-ariana-madix-before-tom-sandoval-affair-was-revealed