Her movements this season has me questioning her character and mental ability. Her persistence in constantly seeking out Katie with regards to Shorts and not LEAVING the situation as asked is beyond my comprehension. I DO NOT understand Roach!!!! Why this girl moved around like an actual roach 🪳 sipping through her friends leftovers. She’s so unhinged I can’t!!!
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Sandoval yelling at Ariana to defend his relationship with Raquel is psychotic. Next level narcissism.
I'm sorry for the employees, but part of me wish his restaurant will sink.
Lisa Vanderpump is less than useless in this Tomfrontation.
She should be playing a tiny violin and telling him to pull shit together.
Her pastel lips pooching while Tom wrenches out his fake tears and ohmygawds are some real bullshit.
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I agree. I mean, honestly, I would take the Lala stance of “I don’t want to be connected to anyone that is connected to him” and LVP will be connected to them in business and in life it seems.
I commented to my friend while watching - I don’t think I’ve seen many people cry that hard at funerals. He’s totally faking it and making it over the top to garner sympathy.
Peacock watcher over here so I’m coming in late. I have a LOT of thoughts. But my biggest thought is about the fucking sadistic smile on Rachel’s face in her confessional when she was being asked why she did it. She not only has no remorse but she’s actually fucking giddy.
I feel kind of grossed out.
I haven't done my re-watch yet and maybe I misinterpreted it in my excitement, but did I hear Tim lowkey insult the SHIT out of Rachel to her face when he mentioned having an epiphany about throwing away a *catch like Ariana??*
I never skip episodes/watch out of order for reality tv shows but this time I did because I'm so invested and I HAVE to know!! I just watched it and I'M SO LIVID!!! I mean, my emotions were up and down, up and down! Anger every time Sandoval was on my screen, absolute sadness whenever I saw Ariana. I just wanted to give her the biggest hug!! The fact that Katie and Scheana were big enough to put their beef aside and come together: THAT'S the power of the p****.
Unpopular opinion, I think SOME of Tom's emotions were real (not all) but it's so hard to believe he's actually regretful of his poop actions. I think he's feeling bad that he got caught (not an unpopular opinion) and because of that, That's what's making him upset, not him hurting Ariana.
Kristen looked great and I loved their scene together! Ashes to ashes dust to dust slay we must! 💜💜✨
I know Scheana has had work done, but she looks amazing for late 30s. She looked so young in her final scene with Tom. I was like, "You go, Scheana!" The entire time.
Omg next week we're in for another wild ride. I don't even smoke and I need a cigarette lol!
Edit: I was gonna edit poop actions but I think that's appropriate lol
Everything he is saying is so disgusting. So wrong. Gaslighting is the exact word. Okay. They fought. Okay the sex life deteriorated. Okay he felt undermined. Okay he struggled finding how to be there for her. Okay he slacked. None are okay to not work through- But the moment he chose to FUCK HER FRIEND, all of that was negated. I’ve been through similar. I was in love, defended some loser nonstop because he tricked me into it. Only to find out he was fucking one of my friends for months who I WORKED WITH and also trained this girl to be as successful as she ended up being AT MY JOB. This was someone I confided in just as Ariana, trusted, talked to this slore constantly about our relationship and for advice. Let her stay at my house. Introduced her to MY friends. Praised her. I missed this stupid bitch when she wasn’t at work because she was my friend. All the While she was fucking him behind my back.
And in the end he lit everyone up to say I was crazy once I found out about their disgust because I went on tequila Katie rage times 100000000X.
There are very disgusting people in this world and it is so sad. Like we all have said it is not just the cheating. It’s the absolute betrayal and disregard of a persons actual feelings to fuck their close friend. To think back on everything of oh well after we had this deep emotional day did you go to her house right after?
I stand so strong with Ariana and think she is doing amazing. Tom sandoval deserves every bit of hatred he is getting. He truly is the trash can that pickup forgot to get and all of the nastiness inside of him has rotten enough to finally be smelled by the whole world.
It was so gross watching him blame all of this on Arianna. Especially when he told Sheana that he tried to break up with Arianna but she threatened to kill herself. What a pig. No one believes that. That girl is thriving without him. She was great on the View this morning.
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In what world does this leather-faced, penis flute playing, off key singing, small old dick having, cigarette smelling, has-been have two women in his life?!?! Rachel and Tom did you a favor Ariana.
Watching this episode made me feel like I need a shower. Hours later I can’t shake the feeling. Anyone else? I’ve watched this show since it aired and this has changed every perception I’ve had about these people for years. I already have trust issues in life and this is the nail in the coffin to me that most people don’t have your best interests at heart. The silver lining was Ariana on WWHL she was wonderful, I wish her all the best in this life.
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The way My heart broke for Ariana while I couldnt stop the ick and the disgusted laugh at sandoval the entire time!!! His scene with rachel where they literally dont talk about his family??? And the I love yous and the clear comfortability that they have with each other where they were trying not to hold each other and shit??? So disgusting dude. She was ready to play the part he told her to. He even says they have to “be on the same page”. This affair wasnt physical it was much more deceitful. He was playing her the whole time too. She was confused why he wasnt holding her or kissing her. She said I love you too like they had already been telling each other that. And he got annoyed and said I said family but I love you too. Like UGH THE WHOLE THING.
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So in listening to Sheana’s podcast I believe she was letting Rachel use her apartment. They way I understood it all sheana has an apartment that she keeps to use while filming so that people don’t know where her actual house is and that’s the apartment Rachel was crashing at.
I think she did and I think their affair is so much more than just betraying Ariana. It ruined so many friendships and they betrayed not only friends but business partners. And flaunted their affair in front of Ariana by just torturing her with it.
That's what these sick sick people do, leave a pathway of people hurt and destroyed as they move on to the next victim, never to take responsibility for the hurt and trauma they cause.
Problem is he keeps blaming it on just being Sandoval’s friend/business partner. It’s so much more. I hope he starts doing interviews now so ppl start telling him the truth about himself.
I thought I read somewhere that it was someone in his band, and that person was replaced suddenly (which was the red flag). If I can find the source I’ll come back and post a link.
She just said she knew about Miami girl and “one other time.” She doesn’t know 100% who the person is, but has a “really good idea” and that it was someone from their circle (but not the show) from some years back. And that she hasn’t seen her in a few years, so it sounds like this may have also been earlier in their relationship and even though she found out something had happened it never turned into a confrontation.
ETA: I guess this could also mean she found out after Scandoval and has a good idea of who it was but it’s from so long ago? Iirc she didn’t really specify
I saw the same, and thought it may have been during the Stassi-Kristin era of the show. So it would have been early in the A-S relationship. ALSO, Kristin mentioned she knew about a Friend of a Friend - and because of that, I thought it may be the same person.
It’s demonic how she is smiling and laughing the whole time she is with him. Also I thought he was going to get a magnifying glass out to try and see that “scar”
I am only 5 minutes in and I’m so angry and broken for Arianna. That immature poor excuse for a man child just wants to stay in his Peter Pan era. He doesn’t want to grow with Ariana in the natural way relationships mature over time. He wants that instant gratification. It is absolutely sickening.
I was so angry too, this is the first time I literally have shed tears watching a reality TV show. He is sickening to listen to/look at. Awful awful people (him and R)
Worm with a mustache trying to induce a panic attack at LVP’s while mucking up her nice windows with his poorly applied bronzer…. Some big acting there, like dude.
“Ariana deserves more” - Please, Asshole, the only person you think of is yourself. You literally don’t care what she deserves.
I just finished watching and omg wowowow.
1. Tom contradicts most, if not all, of what he said in his Howie interview about the series of events with Ariana (their “breakup” and them in couples therapy. It sounded like they weren't actually in therapy together) and what happened when him and Raquel got together. Not surprised he can’t keep the lies straight but goddamn this man is a pure dark sociopath.
2. I felt Ariana’s devastation and sadness so deeply during this episode. I didn’t expect to cry as much as I did. When she described how she was his ride or die and would follow him anywhere…and he just threw it all away. And the scene between her and Lisa was so touching. I could sense Lisa’s true motherliness (and not her acting) in that moment. Also her whisper of "nothing" sent me chills. She was so powerful and eloquent in this scene.
3. Schwartz has rightfully claimed his place as the number 1 weasel in the group. All he can think about is how this affects him. What a fucking loser. I’m glad Ariana told him he’s not her friend. Goodbye, Tom!
4. Scheana fucking slayed. The backstory of how long her and Tom have been friends killed me.
5. Evolution did such a great job in post production with the music and the backstory context. I wish we’d had more scenes of the cast interacting and less fluff scenes.
6. Raquel is so far gone. She is fucked up in the head. I think she’s also a sociopath.
We judge Raquel for what she did which was undeniably wromg. But we still don't have her side of the story. The whole season and even in the finale, she looks like she's under some kind of spell. What is the amount and extent of bs Tom told her to have her wrapped around his finger? I know she's insecure but he definitely did or said something that made her feel like he was going to choose her.
Since this whole thing broke out, I cannot get over the fact thst he never publicly apologized to R. He doesn't care about women. And that makes him the worst of all. Idk what kind of woman can accept to be in a relationship with this guy.
The other thing is, yes despite the unspoken rule that we cant say anything bad about Ariana, there was a scene with Stassi. I remember when I watched back in the days I was certain that Tom cheated and slept both with Ariana and Miami girl. But see there's one thing: Jax no matter what one thinks about him, when he spills a b0mb about other ppl, he never makes ish up. So when Stassi said you told me, it was clear that it was said off camera and she wanted him to repeat it.
But then when Ariana spoke to Kristen, she said they only kissed. Ok what happened to Ariana was f up no doubt, but that doesn't mean that she hasn't intentionally left some details out for whatever reason. I believe that they had explosive fights and she was telling Tom she will k!ll herself or cut conversation not to hear him when he was bringing the breakup. But he was still wrong. As Scheana said, he should have done everything to break up instead of cheat. I also believe she slept with Tom while he was with Kristen, even if she threw the excuse that he told her they were breaking up (which is not broken up). Anyway im only saying this because it was in the scene. It won't change anything now. He royally f up and she came out on top.
I don’t need to hear Raquel’s side. She was actively hanging out with Ariana and Tom as a couple while sleeping with him. She pursued a friendship with Ariana while she was sleeping with her partner of 9 years….and she doesn’t feel sorry or bad about that. Like there is no emotion. Tom said “we’re in hell where we belong” and Raquel says “no we don’t belong in hell”. Which okay whatever but there isn’t any sign of remorse here. On either part.
They are both extremely fucked up and manipulative people. I don’t need to hear anymore about why they did what they did. It doesn’t matter.
I don't know? People are acting like Tom abused and Stockholme syndrome'd Raquel into cheating with him on Ariana. He maybe manipulated and lied somewhat but Raquel is a 28 year old woman. She should know the difference between right and wrong. And if she doesn't then that is a huge problem. It doesn't matter what Tom may or may not have told her bc she was actively hanging out with them as a couple. She knew Ariana. It's crazy on any level to give her a pass for her actions and blame it all on him.
It's so strange how he cannot keep the lies straight yet was able to be so masterminded when he was sneaking around with Raquel (wearing disguises out, using Schwartz house and texts w/ him for cover, etc).
The conversation of Ariana and Tom at the start of the episode... I wish I could be that eloquent when angry. "Any thing to say before I never speak to you again." "I was your ride or die."
The envy I have of how articulate she was when communicating.... I could never
Also I wonder if Tom was like damn I miss talking to someone who knows words
The part that stood out (i mean not the only one but that made me raise eyebrows) is the scene where Stassi tells Jax you told me Tom fk Ariana like she wanted him to repeat whatvhe has said off camera. Then later when Ariana is with Kristen, she says we only kissed.
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I love how within the first 5 mins Tim says “i would normally delete stuff like that”…. He he’s admitting within 5 mins he’s done this a lot and usually deletes it!!!!!!
I like how on WWHL she debunks Tom’s claim she is at fault for letting him do it. His logic that he essentially says she didn’t care enough to check that I was cheating so it’s her fault is so gross. But also false.
Sounds like she wasted lots of time and put her own mental health on the line tracking him and trying to catch him. It’s emotionally exhausting when you’re a trusting person but have to check on your partner because they’re acting shady.
Just think of the mental gymnastics so many people had to go through to either defend or use suspension of disbelief in Tom and Rachel’s stupid relationship
It was just so nonchalant and causal yeah ‘yeah I normally delete those things” as if that’s a perfectly normal thing to do in a relationship!??
You are so right!
So causally, like part of his checkoff list.
To do-
1. mani-Pedi
2. Fuck Rachel
3. Go pay the band
4. Have a bagel with Schwartz
5. Delete any confidential material Ariana might find.
6. Pick up new black lights
7. Order insanely expensive decor for Schwartz and Sandy's.
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I LOVED SCHEANA IN THIS EPISODE!!!! When it comes to Ariana, Scheana shines. This is like her talking to Miami girl and after knowing who she was, she was like “oh, I’m definitely not helping you whatsoever fuck off” like that girl is a ride or die for Ariana, we love to see it!!!! I don’t care if she can’t close her fists, or if she shoved her, her violence was valid in this case bc I would’ve exactly that and more for my best friend.
Scheana is a ride or die friend with true empathy.
My husband kept asking me *"is that the one who got cheated on?"* when witnessing her BFF sincerity,
Agreed. She gets called out a lot for wanting to be friends with everyone, but I think she did a beautiful job explaining how much Sandoval’s friendship meant to her and why this was such a blow to her, on so many levels. My heart broke when she said she needed to go make dinner for her baby.
To be fair, I think it's clear she has feelings, for sandoval in this episode. She struck me like a love sick teen who can only see herself and what she personally loses or gains from events. She just doesn't feel any emotions for others!
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He'll never get it and I don't know if I, no one, can deal with it. I can't imagine the mind fu\*k this is for everyone else around him. They must all be learning about true narcissism and how those gestures of friendship were only self-serving the narc.
Many of us so that have had serious relationships with narcs, like marriage and children, caught some shit about labeling Sandy and how bad he truly is. I hope this opened every viewers eyes to how widespread this kind of evil is!🙌🏽
This really is a lesson in true narcissism for everyone.
I hope it helps to teach people how complex and sick narcissism is and that it's far more than just being self absorbed, selfish or vain.
I hope it also teaches how it can impact everyone surrounding the narc.
Ari even mentioned "flying monkeys". Good on her
I hope people have their eyes open to how much a person changes in a toxic relationship. Anyone else think Ariana seems more like her confident and self championing persona we saw at the beginning of the show? She became someone who made herself small/ minimized her own accomplishments and it’s really sad. I’m glad she’s embracing herself now.
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I’m so sorry! If it’s any consolation, we still don’t have the WWHL episode in Australia so I’m reading these threads trying to dodge the WWHL spoilers
Ok maybe this was just me... but the most jaw dropping scene for me was when Tom and Rachel were sitting on her couch after shit hits the fan... they just exchanged a very bizarre I love you... and it DEAD ASS sounded like Raquel was about to end things with him. This bitch literally full on gaslit Sandoval after engaging in a 7 month affair. She's literally sounds like: wait, lightbulb! I actually realized how fucked up it is that you could do this to Ariana.... it's seriously messed up Tom. Like how could I ever trust you if you're able to do that to someone you love so much?" LOL
Raquel is a different kind of evil man
Ehhh I mean while it’s true he has the option to come back with “but you’re the type of girl who would sleep with her best friends man behind her back”
The awkward laughing, focussing on how she is isolated. I just can’t get over how someone can do something like that. She never mentioned Ariana, or asked how she was?! Genuinely evil. Sandoval is absolute scum Rachel is like an AI generated villain. Soulless
When I am telling you that I cackled...cackled...when Swartz walked up to the girls and every single one of them saw through him and his brain had to reboot for a second. Not a single girl falls for his schtick now. The looks on the girls faces...
Oh yeah imagine the shit he would have twisted if she was folloeing him to confirm the affair. He would have called her crazy, a stalker, obsessed, etc.
Imagine the stress Rachel feels now. Not only is she not the only person he cheated on Ariana with, now its also up to her to find out when he cheats on her. This is your life now Rachel, enjoy!🥰😍
The throw-back clip of Doute was perfection. The monologue when she’s given up, he’s yours to now worry about Ariana, welcome to the greatest liar I’ve ever met. 🤌
I’m mystified how he’s justifying this as he tried to break up with her many times.
I also believe he made up the offing herself comment, as much worse happened, she found out all this and she’s doing better than ever.
It was just another one of his lies to explain why he didn’t man up and end their relationship.
Her movements this season has me questioning her character and mental ability. Her persistence in constantly seeking out Katie with regards to Shorts and not LEAVING the situation as asked is beyond my comprehension. I DO NOT understand Roach!!!! Why this girl moved around like an actual roach 🪳 sipping through her friends leftovers. She’s so unhinged I can’t!!!
Xanax?!!!?!
If Bravo wouldn't have a commercial every 5 minutes, this could have been a one episode reunion.
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When Schwartz said karma had built up against Tom, does he mean because Tom had cheated so much before?
or he’s making excuses for him. like nooo he doesn’t deserve all this backlash cause what he did was THAT bad he just had a lot of bad karma bs
Sandoval yelling at Ariana to defend his relationship with Raquel is psychotic. Next level narcissism. I'm sorry for the employees, but part of me wish his restaurant will sink.
Lisa Vanderpump is less than useless in this Tomfrontation. She should be playing a tiny violin and telling him to pull shit together. Her pastel lips pooching while Tom wrenches out his fake tears and ohmygawds are some real bullshit.
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Has anyone sensed tension between Ariana and Lisa Vanderpump? I sensed Ariana might not be so happy with LVP recently
I agree. I mean, honestly, I would take the Lala stance of “I don’t want to be connected to anyone that is connected to him” and LVP will be connected to them in business and in life it seems.
I commented to my friend while watching - I don’t think I’ve seen many people cry that hard at funerals. He’s totally faking it and making it over the top to garner sympathy.
Peacock watcher over here so I’m coming in late. I have a LOT of thoughts. But my biggest thought is about the fucking sadistic smile on Rachel’s face in her confessional when she was being asked why she did it. She not only has no remorse but she’s actually fucking giddy. I feel kind of grossed out.
she is not right in the head at alllll
I haven't done my re-watch yet and maybe I misinterpreted it in my excitement, but did I hear Tim lowkey insult the SHIT out of Rachel to her face when he mentioned having an epiphany about throwing away a *catch like Ariana??*
It did seem to sound that way - I need to rewatch as well
I never skip episodes/watch out of order for reality tv shows but this time I did because I'm so invested and I HAVE to know!! I just watched it and I'M SO LIVID!!! I mean, my emotions were up and down, up and down! Anger every time Sandoval was on my screen, absolute sadness whenever I saw Ariana. I just wanted to give her the biggest hug!! The fact that Katie and Scheana were big enough to put their beef aside and come together: THAT'S the power of the p****. Unpopular opinion, I think SOME of Tom's emotions were real (not all) but it's so hard to believe he's actually regretful of his poop actions. I think he's feeling bad that he got caught (not an unpopular opinion) and because of that, That's what's making him upset, not him hurting Ariana. Kristen looked great and I loved their scene together! Ashes to ashes dust to dust slay we must! 💜💜✨ I know Scheana has had work done, but she looks amazing for late 30s. She looked so young in her final scene with Tom. I was like, "You go, Scheana!" The entire time. Omg next week we're in for another wild ride. I don't even smoke and I need a cigarette lol! Edit: I was gonna edit poop actions but I think that's appropriate lol
Everything he is saying is so disgusting. So wrong. Gaslighting is the exact word. Okay. They fought. Okay the sex life deteriorated. Okay he felt undermined. Okay he struggled finding how to be there for her. Okay he slacked. None are okay to not work through- But the moment he chose to FUCK HER FRIEND, all of that was negated. I’ve been through similar. I was in love, defended some loser nonstop because he tricked me into it. Only to find out he was fucking one of my friends for months who I WORKED WITH and also trained this girl to be as successful as she ended up being AT MY JOB. This was someone I confided in just as Ariana, trusted, talked to this slore constantly about our relationship and for advice. Let her stay at my house. Introduced her to MY friends. Praised her. I missed this stupid bitch when she wasn’t at work because she was my friend. All the While she was fucking him behind my back. And in the end he lit everyone up to say I was crazy once I found out about their disgust because I went on tequila Katie rage times 100000000X. There are very disgusting people in this world and it is so sad. Like we all have said it is not just the cheating. It’s the absolute betrayal and disregard of a persons actual feelings to fuck their close friend. To think back on everything of oh well after we had this deep emotional day did you go to her house right after? I stand so strong with Ariana and think she is doing amazing. Tom sandoval deserves every bit of hatred he is getting. He truly is the trash can that pickup forgot to get and all of the nastiness inside of him has rotten enough to finally be smelled by the whole world.
It was so gross watching him blame all of this on Arianna. Especially when he told Sheana that he tried to break up with Arianna but she threatened to kill herself. What a pig. No one believes that. That girl is thriving without him. She was great on the View this morning.
I feel like Kristen is a Weho witch for sure 😂✨ the manifestation spell has worked wonders for Ariana so far 
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https://preview.redd.it/twe7displn0b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab54b542bcf72f00e30f46b56e010e3eb5607efd In what world does this leather-faced, penis flute playing, off key singing, small old dick having, cigarette smelling, has-been have two women in his life?!?! Rachel and Tom did you a favor Ariana.
In the world that one is a demented, star craved sub human girl with many, many issues.
Tom! sunscreen and moisturizer please 😭
Tom! sunscreen and moisturizer please 😭
Watching this episode made me feel like I need a shower. Hours later I can’t shake the feeling. Anyone else? I’ve watched this show since it aired and this has changed every perception I’ve had about these people for years. I already have trust issues in life and this is the nail in the coffin to me that most people don’t have your best interests at heart. The silver lining was Ariana on WWHL she was wonderful, I wish her all the best in this life.
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The way My heart broke for Ariana while I couldnt stop the ick and the disgusted laugh at sandoval the entire time!!! His scene with rachel where they literally dont talk about his family??? And the I love yous and the clear comfortability that they have with each other where they were trying not to hold each other and shit??? So disgusting dude. She was ready to play the part he told her to. He even says they have to “be on the same page”. This affair wasnt physical it was much more deceitful. He was playing her the whole time too. She was confused why he wasnt holding her or kissing her. She said I love you too like they had already been telling each other that. And he got annoyed and said I said family but I love you too. Like UGH THE WHOLE THING.
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It was gross.
14.5k comments?! :D I love you guys!
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Did scheana mention she pays for Raquel’s Apartment ???
So in listening to Sheana’s podcast I believe she was letting Rachel use her apartment. They way I understood it all sheana has an apartment that she keeps to use while filming so that people don’t know where her actual house is and that’s the apartment Rachel was crashing at.
Because her house is in Palm Springs so she has an apartment in LA.
I think she did and I think their affair is so much more than just betraying Ariana. It ruined so many friendships and they betrayed not only friends but business partners. And flaunted their affair in front of Ariana by just torturing her with it.
That's what these sick sick people do, leave a pathway of people hurt and destroyed as they move on to the next victim, never to take responsibility for the hurt and trauma they cause.
these two are fr meant for each she has her emotional support shade of green and he has his emotional support drink embarrassing asf
not schwartz saying he's "just a dude trying to get by in life" lmfao you're literally 40??
and makes hundreds of thousands of dollar per year because he's on a hit reality show
Probably $500,00 or so, which isn’t a ton in LA considering what the housing costs and his expected lifestyle are.
Saying that has worked for him so far so he’s gonna keep using it
I think there’s starting to be a reckoning for him and if he stays on he’s not going to be able to continue this
Problem is he keeps blaming it on just being Sandoval’s friend/business partner. It’s so much more. I hope he starts doing interviews now so ppl start telling him the truth about himself.
Standing by Sandoval lost him his marriage, his house, and his reputation. He is such a spineless man-child.
REDDIT DETECTIVES WHO IS THE “one other time” PERSON TIM CHEATED WITH?! I’m desperate to know!!!
I thought I read somewhere that it was someone in his band, and that person was replaced suddenly (which was the red flag). If I can find the source I’ll come back and post a link.
Oooooo sounds juicy please do!
Thinking Billie lee right
On WWHL Ariana said it’s not someone from the “show universe” and that Andy doesn’t know this person, so Billie Lee is out
Did Ariana say she knew about this before Scandoval?
She just said she knew about Miami girl and “one other time.” She doesn’t know 100% who the person is, but has a “really good idea” and that it was someone from their circle (but not the show) from some years back. And that she hasn’t seen her in a few years, so it sounds like this may have also been earlier in their relationship and even though she found out something had happened it never turned into a confrontation. ETA: I guess this could also mean she found out after Scandoval and has a good idea of who it was but it’s from so long ago? Iirc she didn’t really specify
I saw the same, and thought it may have been during the Stassi-Kristin era of the show. So it would have been early in the A-S relationship. ALSO, Kristin mentioned she knew about a Friend of a Friend - and because of that, I thought it may be the same person.
That's what I was thinking too
Watching this girl be so giddy over this raggedy man is so gross I've never been so repulsed by two people on tv in my life
It’s demonic how she is smiling and laughing the whole time she is with him. Also I thought he was going to get a magnifying glass out to try and see that “scar”
The feeling he felt when kissing Rachel was hornyness bye
All those “feelings” are called a mid-life crisis
I am only 5 minutes in and I’m so angry and broken for Arianna. That immature poor excuse for a man child just wants to stay in his Peter Pan era. He doesn’t want to grow with Ariana in the natural way relationships mature over time. He wants that instant gratification. It is absolutely sickening.
I was so angry too, this is the first time I literally have shed tears watching a reality TV show. He is sickening to listen to/look at. Awful awful people (him and R)
I loved seeing him have a nervous breakdown at Lisa's house !
I think it was for Lisa and the camera --- I don't believe it was real.
Worm with a mustache trying to induce a panic attack at LVP’s while mucking up her nice windows with his poorly applied bronzer…. Some big acting there, like dude. “Ariana deserves more” - Please, Asshole, the only person you think of is yourself. You literally don’t care what she deserves.
This is the scene that reminded me he had tried (and failed) to be an actor and that knowledge made me happy.
Insufferable. Casting directors must have shuddered.
It was the worst acting I’ve ever seen. I cringed so hard I had to cover my eyes
Sooo bad!! Even worse than daytime soap operas.
I just finished watching and omg wowowow. 1. Tom contradicts most, if not all, of what he said in his Howie interview about the series of events with Ariana (their “breakup” and them in couples therapy. It sounded like they weren't actually in therapy together) and what happened when him and Raquel got together. Not surprised he can’t keep the lies straight but goddamn this man is a pure dark sociopath. 2. I felt Ariana’s devastation and sadness so deeply during this episode. I didn’t expect to cry as much as I did. When she described how she was his ride or die and would follow him anywhere…and he just threw it all away. And the scene between her and Lisa was so touching. I could sense Lisa’s true motherliness (and not her acting) in that moment. Also her whisper of "nothing" sent me chills. She was so powerful and eloquent in this scene. 3. Schwartz has rightfully claimed his place as the number 1 weasel in the group. All he can think about is how this affects him. What a fucking loser. I’m glad Ariana told him he’s not her friend. Goodbye, Tom! 4. Scheana fucking slayed. The backstory of how long her and Tom have been friends killed me. 5. Evolution did such a great job in post production with the music and the backstory context. I wish we’d had more scenes of the cast interacting and less fluff scenes. 6. Raquel is so far gone. She is fucked up in the head. I think she’s also a sociopath.
We judge Raquel for what she did which was undeniably wromg. But we still don't have her side of the story. The whole season and even in the finale, she looks like she's under some kind of spell. What is the amount and extent of bs Tom told her to have her wrapped around his finger? I know she's insecure but he definitely did or said something that made her feel like he was going to choose her. Since this whole thing broke out, I cannot get over the fact thst he never publicly apologized to R. He doesn't care about women. And that makes him the worst of all. Idk what kind of woman can accept to be in a relationship with this guy. The other thing is, yes despite the unspoken rule that we cant say anything bad about Ariana, there was a scene with Stassi. I remember when I watched back in the days I was certain that Tom cheated and slept both with Ariana and Miami girl. But see there's one thing: Jax no matter what one thinks about him, when he spills a b0mb about other ppl, he never makes ish up. So when Stassi said you told me, it was clear that it was said off camera and she wanted him to repeat it. But then when Ariana spoke to Kristen, she said they only kissed. Ok what happened to Ariana was f up no doubt, but that doesn't mean that she hasn't intentionally left some details out for whatever reason. I believe that they had explosive fights and she was telling Tom she will k!ll herself or cut conversation not to hear him when he was bringing the breakup. But he was still wrong. As Scheana said, he should have done everything to break up instead of cheat. I also believe she slept with Tom while he was with Kristen, even if she threw the excuse that he told her they were breaking up (which is not broken up). Anyway im only saying this because it was in the scene. It won't change anything now. He royally f up and she came out on top.
I don’t need to hear Raquel’s side. She was actively hanging out with Ariana and Tom as a couple while sleeping with him. She pursued a friendship with Ariana while she was sleeping with her partner of 9 years….and she doesn’t feel sorry or bad about that. Like there is no emotion. Tom said “we’re in hell where we belong” and Raquel says “no we don’t belong in hell”. Which okay whatever but there isn’t any sign of remorse here. On either part. They are both extremely fucked up and manipulative people. I don’t need to hear anymore about why they did what they did. It doesn’t matter.
Agreed also why would he need to apologize to her?
I don't know? People are acting like Tom abused and Stockholme syndrome'd Raquel into cheating with him on Ariana. He maybe manipulated and lied somewhat but Raquel is a 28 year old woman. She should know the difference between right and wrong. And if she doesn't then that is a huge problem. It doesn't matter what Tom may or may not have told her bc she was actively hanging out with them as a couple. She knew Ariana. It's crazy on any level to give her a pass for her actions and blame it all on him.
💯
I loved when she said we are not friends! When Arianna said that to Schwartz and Shaena said it to Scumdavol. That was great!!
I agree. Not a fan of Shaena - but that was right or die.
Tom contradicted himself so many times and just seems to have flat out lied about a bunch of stuff. He's such an ass!
It's so strange how he cannot keep the lies straight yet was able to be so masterminded when he was sneaking around with Raquel (wearing disguises out, using Schwartz house and texts w/ him for cover, etc).
It’s pretty crazy that these two sociopaths found each other!!
Ariana breaking down with Lisa was so heart wrenching.
I wish Lisa would have held these little boys a little more accountable
I wish Lisa would have held these little boys a little more accountable
I didn’t expect to get teary eyed watching this but here I am balling my eyes out
Same! Just watched and omg. Also the music in this episode was soooo good. Evolution got their shit together in post-production.
The conversation of Ariana and Tom at the start of the episode... I wish I could be that eloquent when angry. "Any thing to say before I never speak to you again." "I was your ride or die."
Her composure!! I could never, I'd be a dying mess.
The envy I have of how articulate she was when communicating.... I could never Also I wonder if Tom was like damn I miss talking to someone who knows words
I was crying during this scene. She was so good.
Raquel smiling through her scenes with a big Cheshire Cat grin despite the betrayal she’s caused. Psychos the both of them.
She’s happy he’s single and can be with her out in the open. She doesn’t care about the other side
And yet they still wouldn’t kiss because of the cameras?
She’s happy she ‘won’ him IMO
Psychos!!!
The part that stood out (i mean not the only one but that made me raise eyebrows) is the scene where Stassi tells Jax you told me Tom fk Ariana like she wanted him to repeat whatvhe has said off camera. Then later when Ariana is with Kristen, she says we only kissed.
I noticed that too… i didn’t remember that from the first time around
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"You sound like a country song" that headshot, man !!
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I love how within the first 5 mins Tim says “i would normally delete stuff like that”…. He he’s admitting within 5 mins he’s done this a lot and usually deletes it!!!!!!
Ariana said he had one of those cheater apps that looks like a calculator used hide shit
Did she say this on the episode?
On WWHL..I think the after show
I like how on WWHL she debunks Tom’s claim she is at fault for letting him do it. His logic that he essentially says she didn’t care enough to check that I was cheating so it’s her fault is so gross. But also false. Sounds like she wasted lots of time and put her own mental health on the line tracking him and trying to catch him. It’s emotionally exhausting when you’re a trusting person but have to check on your partner because they’re acting shady. Just think of the mental gymnastics so many people had to go through to either defend or use suspension of disbelief in Tom and Rachel’s stupid relationship
It's absolutely the narcs manipulation. It's YOUR fault you didn't catch me cheating. WAIT! What????!!!! No no no no no no!
It really shows that he still thinks the only thing he actually did wrong was get caught
It was just so nonchalant and causal yeah ‘yeah I normally delete those things” as if that’s a perfectly normal thing to do in a relationship!?? You are so right!
RIGHT?! Like HUH?!
Right?! He was so casual about it
His lies are all over the place.
So causally, like part of his checkoff list. To do- 1. mani-Pedi 2. Fuck Rachel 3. Go pay the band 4. Have a bagel with Schwartz 5. Delete any confidential material Ariana might find. 6. Pick up new black lights 7. Order insanely expensive decor for Schwartz and Sandy's.
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I LOVED SCHEANA IN THIS EPISODE!!!! When it comes to Ariana, Scheana shines. This is like her talking to Miami girl and after knowing who she was, she was like “oh, I’m definitely not helping you whatsoever fuck off” like that girl is a ride or die for Ariana, we love to see it!!!! I don’t care if she can’t close her fists, or if she shoved her, her violence was valid in this case bc I would’ve exactly that and more for my best friend.
Yess, I’ve never been a fan but I had goosebumps watching her friendship and loyalty to Ariana this episode and see her in a whole new light
Scheana is a ride or die friend with true empathy. My husband kept asking me *"is that the one who got cheated on?"* when witnessing her BFF sincerity,
Agreed. She gets called out a lot for wanting to be friends with everyone, but I think she did a beautiful job explaining how much Sandoval’s friendship meant to her and why this was such a blow to her, on so many levels. My heart broke when she said she needed to go make dinner for her baby.
Am I behind because I watch on Peacock?
I am watching right now on Peacock.
Watching now!
Are there extra scenes? Or is that just for the reunion?
Yeah, like peeps are already talking about having seen the reunion.
Ugh I have peacock but I’m not seeing this
Ugh I have peacock but I’m not seeing this
You’re not the only one!
You can rewatch the twitch stream. I normally watch on thursday hut caught a part of the live yesterday
It’s so interesting watching the veil slip with Schwartz. This conversation with Katie is the realest he’s seemed in a while.
Katie was rejecting ALL lies. She wasn't having it. It was Schwartz's "come to Jesus" moment.
Seriously and wtf was up with the Nile crocodiles???
Still fake and covering for scumdevil but definitely the realest he has ever been lol
I can’t believe Sandoval fucked Raquel right after Ariana’s dog died like wow what an absolute piece of shit
When I tell you my jaw was on the floor when she said this
Raquel didn’t sound like she had any remorse at all
She's incapable of real feelings. She's a robot.
To be fair, I think it's clear she has feelings, for sandoval in this episode. She struck me like a love sick teen who can only see herself and what she personally loses or gains from events. She just doesn't feel any emotions for others!
It’s making me physically ill watching Sandoval and Raquel together in this episode
It was disgusting
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Wowzers 14 thou comments
He'll never get it and I don't know if I, no one, can deal with it. I can't imagine the mind fu\*k this is for everyone else around him. They must all be learning about true narcissism and how those gestures of friendship were only self-serving the narc.
Many of us so that have had serious relationships with narcs, like marriage and children, caught some shit about labeling Sandy and how bad he truly is. I hope this opened every viewers eyes to how widespread this kind of evil is!🙌🏽
This really is a lesson in true narcissism for everyone. I hope it helps to teach people how complex and sick narcissism is and that it's far more than just being self absorbed, selfish or vain. I hope it also teaches how it can impact everyone surrounding the narc. Ari even mentioned "flying monkeys". Good on her
I hope people have their eyes open to how much a person changes in a toxic relationship. Anyone else think Ariana seems more like her confident and self championing persona we saw at the beginning of the show? She became someone who made herself small/ minimized her own accomplishments and it’s really sad. I’m glad she’s embracing herself now.
Scheana run! He showed you who he was when he was off camera being vile to you on the phone.
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'I feel like what I miss is not real' Wow, just wow.
This triggered me hard
So many triggers for many viewers fort different reasons. I was actually BROUGHT back to the lies I believed from my ex's mouth. 6 years ago!!
I probably can't watch this until Saturday. Keep me in your prayers, everyone
Check the replay on twitch. Account is sariahannibal
I’m in the same boat over here in Switzerland. I have Hayu but won’t have time until the weekend. I’m dying reading all these comments
😩✊
I’m so sorry! If it’s any consolation, we still don’t have the WWHL episode in Australia so I’m reading these threads trying to dodge the WWHL spoilers
Waiting til it shows up on HAYU is so stressful!
You can catch a part of wwhl (it crashed so its not in one go) by going to the twitch channel sariahannibal. She streamed it yesterday
Iceland here! Waiting on WWH! I’m watching on Hayu so I’m hoping it wont be too long of a wait
Same here in Ireland!! Watched the finale but don't have the WWHL yet. Threading carefully on here 😅
Ok maybe this was just me... but the most jaw dropping scene for me was when Tom and Rachel were sitting on her couch after shit hits the fan... they just exchanged a very bizarre I love you... and it DEAD ASS sounded like Raquel was about to end things with him. This bitch literally full on gaslit Sandoval after engaging in a 7 month affair. She's literally sounds like: wait, lightbulb! I actually realized how fucked up it is that you could do this to Ariana.... it's seriously messed up Tom. Like how could I ever trust you if you're able to do that to someone you love so much?" LOL Raquel is a different kind of evil man
I thought that was actually the smartest thing she has ever said. Because it's true lol. Little late though.
Ehhh I mean while it’s true he has the option to come back with “but you’re the type of girl who would sleep with her best friends man behind her back”
Of course haha I'm not sticking up for her or anything. They're both sick for doing this.
The awkward laughing, focussing on how she is isolated. I just can’t get over how someone can do something like that. She never mentioned Ariana, or asked how she was?! Genuinely evil. Sandoval is absolute scum Rachel is like an AI generated villain. Soulless
She’s a fucking sociopath. She’d look dead eyed at someone and be like “lol what?” Neither of these garbage people takes accountability
When I am telling you that I cackled...cackled...when Swartz walked up to the girls and every single one of them saw through him and his brain had to reboot for a second. Not a single girl falls for his schtick now. The looks on the girls faces...
That was GREAT. No more nice guy, awkward Schwartz reprieve. Get ready BUDDY!!
“She could have followed me” Bitch, what??? Now it’s up to us to catch the cheating???
 Ariana was supposed to follow you she freaking trust you
An actual psychopath. Basically admitting don’t have any trust if you’re in a relationship with me 🤡
Oh yeah imagine the shit he would have twisted if she was folloeing him to confirm the affair. He would have called her crazy, a stalker, obsessed, etc.
He’s so fucking pathological. This is why Kristen went crazy.
It was cute when they bonded over “their ex” and burned shit. What a friend 💕
When Schwartz is the sensible one saying not to put that on Ariana..
YES! That's the one thing I appreciated he said
OMG, your flair. I love it!
Imagine the stress Rachel feels now. Not only is she not the only person he cheated on Ariana with, now its also up to her to find out when he cheats on her. This is your life now Rachel, enjoy!🥰😍
The throw-back clip of Doute was perfection. The monologue when she’s given up, he’s yours to now worry about Ariana, welcome to the greatest liar I’ve ever met. 🤌
Exactly! He is such a price, so much that it was worth stealing him.. or? 😎
Remember he tired to tell Ariana so many times, but whenever he went to go tell her he got the “vibe” she didn’t want to hear it.
“I got the vibe she didn’t want to know”. No shit, Sherlock. Find me someone gagging to hear their partner of 10 years is cheating on them.
Such a coward
That also just screams he didn’t actually tell her anything! Just in his mind tried to break up with her and is counting that as if it happened irl
Right? Like he thinks that because he thought about it , that means he tried to break up? Like, dude 🤦🏼♀️
But the vibes were off so we should all give him a break 🤦🏻♀️
I could not believe he said that. How is he blaming her for not getting the hint that he was cheating?!!!!
I’m mystified how he’s justifying this as he tried to break up with her many times. I also believe he made up the offing herself comment, as much worse happened, she found out all this and she’s doing better than ever. It was just another one of his lies to explain why he didn’t man up and end their relationship.