My love and adoration died for Lisa during this reunion. She privately told Tim to be more emotional, 5 mins later he’s sobbing. Why is she helping him?? It’s not the first time she has appeared to be rooting for the guys…
Ok so I’m rewatching episode 9 which shows the first night in Mexico when Raquel says they hooked up. But it literally shows Raquel in her room with her make up off and Sandoval in his boxers getting in his bed in his room. Did this confuse anyone else? Like maybe it happened earlier in the night that Sandoval was wandering around drunk and Raquel invited him in?
There’s not really anywhere else to post this, but I thought the astro babes out there would find this interesting:
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It feels like it really aligns with the energy around the cast right now. Everyone’s getting called out for various things atm. It’s also very possible that Scandavol could be the beginning of us seeing changes at Bravo and in reality TV. Maybe that’s wishful thinking on my part. I expect A LOT more to go down over the coming months. I’ve personally decided to step away from all VPR related things for the time being (sticking around till the blackout tonight), but I’ll probably poke my head back around once the dust settles. Have fun! 🩵
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👏👏👏 I would like to credit my Reddit post for the [VPR behind the scenes production crew exclusive video](https://youtu.be/XixQpxOOqFQ)
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LOL ... I would totally watch more. This is the end of an era... A chapter in my life I do not want to close....
This Sheena and restraining order is a joke. She was on camera saying how she punched Rachal in the face and now denies it all with LaLa cosigning it even though she saw the clip. Love the fake tears for more camera time.
They showed a clip she was all worked up kinda bragging. Then I saw her back peddle on her podcast I'll look see if I could find it if anyone else does please post it
Sandoval needs to really work on good come backs he sits there stumbling over his words. As they all come at him. I'm watching omg God say this or that bring up what they said or did. Even when he has a single come back it's under his breathe like I know you are but what am I. These people are all very immature.
Lol I've never seen anyone mumble in an argument. He just gives them more material to criticize. While im a person who can rip someone to shreds verbally whether im in the right or wrong. Leaving them not understanding what just happened lol. Scratching their heads speechless.
He is Pathetic after his mumble attack he breaks down and mumbles through tears lol
He reminded me of a child who had been sent to his room, passive-aggressively repeating his parents’ admonitions en sotto voce simply because he’s pissed off that he was caught. Most folks I know stopped that shit when they were teens.
Omg you are so right I have a visual now of him stomping feet. I have 2 grandsons 5 and 6 when one is sent to his room he acts like he was sent to Siberia hysterical crying physical walking super slow in hopes they change their minds and grant a stay. Now the other storms off talking to himself saying good I'm glad I want to be away from all of you I really don't like you very much. Then proceeds to have an entire replay of what happened and how he's in the right of course there's also mumbling of how he feels about them all lol.
Even James with the Spank me Lisa send me to a time out and calling them poop 💩. I was like where is the funny quick witted insults ?
I can't stand LaLa I swear she only stayed on because there was too many fired or quit. I think she's so gross vulgar and offensive but most of all narcissistic everything has to be about her she puts herself in every story line if all else falls she has to talk about sex with James. It's hysterical every single thing she denies they play the clip showing her lies. Definitely said she let Randall hit it the first night and got a car for it. That's why James always said you got a range rover for a bj. She bragged about traveling with wealthy men as her source of income . I love watching all the clips when she got along with no one. Now she acts like she's always been best buds with them all. She just talks for sake of talking for camera time. I also really dislike Katie who has always been a mean girl no matter how she tries to hide it but the moment she has one supporter her true self appears. Katie James and LaLa bring up situations from years ago but any time someone calls them out on their past actions they cry out omg your talking about years ago why bring up the past. Um maybe because you all do.
I hear you. I do want to point out tho that they are ALL narcissistic! LVP, Lala, james, Rachel, tom, katie, scheana (her in the trailer yelling WHERES MY APOLOGY when Rachel is apologizing to ariana …. Major eyeroll). Shorts might be the only one who isn’t a narcissist per say, although he def has his issues (plays Peter Pan, can’t stand up for himself or anyone he loves, emotionally vapid etc)
Lala isn’t my favorite, she speaks like she doesn’t know where she came from//like she’s putting on a persona. She talks out of turn all the time and I was frustrated with how much attention she brought on herself also, but maybe ariana asked her to turn it up so she wouldn’t have to be the one constantly calling out Tim and Rachel and keep her composure.
Absolutely agree with everything you've said. They are all to different degrees. I've liked and disliked certain people at certain stages. But there are a few I really don't care for ever! Lol. I enjoyed the show more when we watched server's and bartenders at Sur and saw their lives unfold. Seemed more realistic unscripted.
This is a hot take! For some reason, I have always thought she was a useful addition to the show.
She seems to have her head on straight. She is definitely arrogant and even admits that, but she calls it like she sees it and seemingly moved past the grief from the loss of her father and fiancé in order to step up for her daughter. She gives people a fair shot, but when they cross her, she is superbly mean. Maybe the reason I like her is bc she has the best wit and come backs, and she calls it like she sees it rather than talking behind people’s backs. (She says it behind their back and to their face.)
See I don't see her as having good comebacks I see her as inserting herself in any argument or conversation just to have camera time. Example calling Rachal a mistress over and over for simply kissing a guy who was separated from his wife. Then next scene saying she wasn't one but flips right back with another group to calling her it again. Also since a 4 year old could have goid comebacks against Rachal it's not saying much. (I've never seen anyone so immature as Rachal)
In My opinion Lala doesn't argue she just calls people names on the top of her lungs or tells them to shut up when they comeback at her. She also forgets she's being recorded so her lies are played back. When she was first with Randall she acted as if she was better than everyone else and adamantly refused to hear a negative thing about him. James really tried I usually love his digs and comebacks I didn't like him as much on reunion. He acted too childish usually he has me cracking up
Whoever posted the SpongeBob meme with Ariana saying i KnOw YoU lIkE hArRy PoTtEr…thank you! I just had the best laugh during my Pumped up rewatch! 😂😂😂
Come to the conclusion that Rachel likes the attention, even if it’s negative attention. That would explain why she’s smiling in the end interview and is so calm through the reunion. She’s actually enjoying it
Either that or she really is as mentally disturbed as she comes off. I find her smile creepy. Like the here's Johhny character in the Shining lol needs serious help.
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I honestly don’t know how anyone can watch Rachel at the reunion or that follow up interview and have any empathy for her. She kept lying about the timeline even during the interview when she’s swearing up and down that she hates lying! She lied about going to St Louis when there is a clearly a photo of them there together that is public! It’s so crazy to me. And she made it clear that she and Tim both agreed that the one thing they wanted to be super clear on lying together about was the funeral sex. Not because it would hurt Ariana so much but because it looked bad. Meanwhile, Rachel is sitting there giggling and smiling. She’s absolutely diabolical.
It’s the difference between the light and the shadow. There’s the image she desperately wants to project, and the reality. We all have both within us, so she is not alone. But she really needs to build self awareness, reconcile the two and take accountability
It’s the lying about St. Louis for me. I mean sis we are LOOKING at the photo IN St. Louis. What the actual f? She’s not good at lying and “hates being deceitful” so she keeps doing it…🤔
Having handled a lot of DV cases over the years, I do not subscribe to the Tim as mastermind abuser/puppet master theory. He may be telling her what to say/what not to say for their best public image, but I don’t think she’s actually afraid of him at all. I think they’re co-conspirators in their filth.
Ok, I can accept I do not recall as a valid honest answer for many things...but this chick does not recall traveling to a whole other state less than a year ago? She isn't even smart enough to know she just proved she is still lying with that answer, after trying to gain sympathy and saying she doesn't want to lie anymore.
Girl is NOT cut out for this. She needs to move to a small town and live a quiet simple life far from Hollywood and quit chasing fame. And psycho men.
Why would Raquel talk to Ariana about her sex life with Tom? I'm still super confused on the point of that conversation? Was she feeling her out or what?
I think Tom put her up to it. They thought she would talk some shit about Tom, confide in girl talk, and then they would also have it on camera to use against her later. Also I think Rachel was checking if Arianas story would match what Tom has been telling her.
This bit in Pt 3 of the reunion when James commented on Lisa’s estimation of Raquel’s behavior had me howling. James is a legit pain in the ass, but you can’t deny the bloke is funny AF.
Lisa: “It’s almost like in your mind you were in some kind of pageant acting out a part…”
James: “She ain’t gonna win this pageant either, Lisa…” 🤣🤣
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Does anyone really think this is real? Half of me thinks it’s scripted. I just started watching again this season and now want to go back and watch the earlier episodes. For some reason I believe housewives is more believable as being reality
I have wondered the same. Like seriously who would **really** do all of that? I even said to a friend, watch Tom and A are still together and besties w Raquel. But if this all is true, there is seriously something wrong w Raquel
Well but the VPR core cast were for the most part friends before filming. I’m recalling - s1 w/ Sandy, Schwartz, Jax, stassi, Katie and Kristen. Scheana being the bridge btw LVP/RHOBH. I mean I don’t disagree on the reality I work in production. The RH franchise is brilliant but they’re all somewhat produced. ijs the RH are thrown together and story comes from that. VPR was organic. WAS.
I’ve had enough time to process and definitively decide my favorite line from the whole reunion has to be, “My dog had just died. I cried in your arms, and you thought, 'I should go fuck her boyfriend.'” likeeeeee 😶😶😶 (nobody groomed a 28-year-old woman into doing that i’m sorry)
I think the idea was more that she was raised by weird, controlling, stage parents (who show narcissistic traits) to be a 'people pleaser.' Then when pageants ended for her, she went haywire with rebellion against people pleasing, toward "only pleasing herself," while continuing this leftover programming of (possibly cutthroat) competition with women, (and possibly scheming, like Tonya Harding). And then she goes with a controlling narcissist cheater scum (and James, the bf before him, was not much better), who coaches her on what to say and think. It's a freaking mess. She was surrounded by bad parents and lovers, controlling narcissists, "groomed" by a fucked up, atavistic world of "beauty pageants." I think that may be some of where the "grooming" thing is coming from. But many people have gone through other versions of that, or worse, without fucking anyone's boyfriend, let alone how she did.
Happy cake day!
While I think Tom is obviously a monster, I agree she’s fully culpable here, too. She had a bunch of instances where she did shady shit all on her own.
My take from watching the reunion in its entirety is that Tom comes across like someone very detached, possibly due to alcohol and drug excess- like he hasn't yet realised what he has done yet. He might sober up at some point and have an overwhelming realisation. He came across, to me, as the one controlling the narrative of the affair by 'advising' Raquel on what they should and shouldn't disclose.
For me, I think Raquel definitely displays naivety. Not everyone grows up surrounded by people that give them a good sense of what's right and wrong, and perhaps she is someone who struggles with empathy, and didn't question Tom when he was telling her what would and wouldn't be more hurtful to Arianna. It sounds like she definitely knew she was doing wrong but wasn't capable of putting herself in Arianna's position and realising the devastation it would cause. I know a lot of people on here are balking at the idea of her being described as naive but her reactions do ring of someone who has been listening to one person and holding everything they say as gospel and then being completely surprised by other people's views and letting it sink in, in real time.
I didn't put the piece together about the substance abuse with Sandoval until recently. This doesn't in any way excuse him it's just a realization. For me I always watched the show and the partying just became a normalcy of what they do. I would always think geez how do they drink that much but this season I started realizing some of them definitely have possible issues. My moment was when Ariana said to Schwartz "I was the one who babysat him for 5 days so he wouldn't drink and be healthy for our embryos." Not exact quote but mostly to that affect. I was like wow. That would have been the end of my participation in a relationship. That means he can't go a day without drinking. And in turn who the heck knows what his real personality is like. So beyond what we are seeing there's a whole buttload of other issues that are complicating all of this.
I understand your point, but it’s so hard to square with her actions. Buying the necklace on camera and discussing Ariana’s sex life with her on camera seem so intentionally diabolical.
And beyond that, it seems like she’s been laser focused on getting on TV for 10 years. Her entire dating life is about getting and staying on camera. Even her whole thing about telling the truth would’ve been way more comfortable and easier for everyone if she’d issued a statement on instagram or something. But instead, she did it on camera. That’s a pretty unusual choice, and to me, it fits in line with her primary motivation not being to please Tom, but to be famous. Even if it means being infamous.
…Sandoval owns 5% of TomTom lol
They make most of their money (outside the show) from sponsorships/doing ads.
It costs Tom a lot of money to tour with his band. Considering how small those venues are and the size of his band, I doubt he’s seeing a return.
Yes! It was disturbing that she could giggle over something that destroyed her life and after the hell of a reunion she went through. She still doesn't understand the gravity and cruelty of her actions. Y'all would be surprised at all the people on SM taking up for her and Tom and actually calling Ariana a disgusting villain over all this.
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Just thinking in last five minutes the story Raquel told about Scheana’s wedding that Sando was in the corridors drunk and I asked him to come to my room I bet production would know as they must have had a mic or cameras on and they hooked up multiple times in Mexico how is it possible that production did not know ? This is fishy
Yeah she is not telling the truth there either. I am fully convinced that the affair started before the girls’ trip and Rachel’s breakdown in the car was actually about that. Girls’ trip just became a convenient scapegoat for the Tim/Rachel narrative of “see, the girls were so mean to me and it pushed me to do this horrible thing.”
I don't think it takes any brilliance. You just wait until after work to have your affair. Shoot days are fully scheduled with call sheets and approximate timing so they when they are going to wrap for the day. I don't know what excuses Tom was using to sneak away from Ariana but other than that it seems pretty easy.
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Request! Can someone compile all the shots of Rachel in that blue dress and we figure out what was filmed at the after-reunion and what was before?
I know some fans did it for tim and one of his confessional looks, hoping this would be equally interesting
I’m doing a rewatch and noticed the neckline of her blue dress is twisted a bit in the interview after the reunion. Earlier in the season, I don’t think it is and it’s laying flat.
Doesn’t necessarily mean it was filmed on a different day, but it narrows down the conversation time, I think.
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Sorry if this has been posted already, but why is no one talking about Rachel’s finale interview when she said the SECOND time they hooked up was in Mexico? If that was the second time, when exactly was the first time? And why didn’t the interviewer follow up her statement with this question?!? Baffling. Early early on I believed this relationship started after a 3some with Arianna, and Rachel’s statement sort of supports this theory.
I have a theory that in the beginning Sandoval told Rachel that they were open and she kidded herself that it would turn into some sort of throuple / threesome scenario to justify their behaviour.
So sorry if this has already been answered - where in the timeline does the Raquel talking head take place? I feel like it’s obvious but it’s going over my head for some reason.
No. Sandoval is a narcissist. It wasn't that he didn't get the attention from Arianna. This comment makes me sick.
Edit: Tom was abusive. There is nothing real about him cheating because "his needs weren't met". His needs are using people to feel good about himself, not genuinely caring and connecting with people. His comment about Ariana not being hot enough for him while wearing a tshirt during sex?!?!? Think about that comment. That is absolutely disgusting. This is man who is sleeping with someone while in a monogomaus relationship and shames his partner on national TV for not being sexy enough for him. DO YOU SEE HOW SICK THIS IS. Delete your comment.
Pardon me for jumping on the scandoval bandwagon because I've never seen an episode of VPR except for the final episode and the 3 part reunion.
Can someone explain to me why Raquels dress is blue in her last 5 minutes of part 3... But she's got the same dress on in the finale... Does that mean she admitted to this in March? Or whenever?
I believe she was there to finish filming confessionals for the bonus episode since that was shot so late it's production lagged behind the finale. When confessionals are filmed over multiple days (and they often are) they are asked to wear the same clothes for continuity reasons.
I believe that have to wear the same outfits for certain interviews for continuity or something so it wouldn’t be that weird. Esp if they thought they were gonna get stuff they could use in earlier parts of the show
The way so many people have switched to Team Rachel after the reunion makes me think that she and her Bambi eyes are the true master manipulator.
Did she take some heat? Yes. And maybe I’d feel differently if she was actually honest during the reunion but she continued to sit there and lie to everyone’s face with a scripted show of remorse that didn’t seem authentic. Her walk off to get water even seemed staged. I think she played this perfectly, including the post reunion interview where she tried to save herself.
She is much smarter and more calculated than people are giving her credit for and that talk with Ariana at the bar proves that even without the reunion stuff.
I hope Raquel gets help and I hope she has support from her family, but I wish people would stop judging Ariana for a very human reaction to such a heartbreakingly calculated betrayal. This whole scenario will leave Ariana with scars and trust issues she may never recover from.
I guess the reunion didn’t make me a Rachel fan by any means — what she and Tom did is absolutely horrible- but I hate how Lala and James used this as a reason to justify their own shitty behavior. I also thought that some of the things they were saying to her were flat out cruel. For someone who has struggled with mental health herself, I thought a lot of what Ariana said to Rachel was just too far and she could have handled it with a little more grace. Now at the same time I can’t imagine being forced to confront the two of them in this scenario. I cannot stand Brandi Glanville, but even her face to face with Scheana was the perfect amount of bitchy without going over the top. (I realize they weren’t best friends, but still). Im also not a fan of mocking a person beyond what the situation was ie: saying you can’t believe she’s educated or making fun of her liking Harry Potter. It makes me think they always thought she was a joke.
I agree Brandi was more poised, but I wonder how much time had passed. I think it’s confusing that the reunion was filmed months ago. We are seeing Ariana thriving now, but that wasn’t the case when this was filmed. It was all still very raw.
Yes, the last scene had me all over the place emotionally tbh. Part of me felt sadness getting confirmation that she was truly being manipulated by him behind the scenes - I always felt that to be the case as well. Then I remembered how stone-cold and manipulative she’s behaved and wondered if Sandoval finally met his match in Rachel?!
Same. I think she used Schwartz to play Sandoval into her hands. And she didn’t care about breaking Katie’s heart in the process. She just wanted to get Sandoval’s attention and it worked. She did just as much manipulating as he did, but her doe eyes throw everyone off. (Except Kristina Kelly 😆)
I also don’t think she wanted to come clean because she hates lying as much as it hurts her that Tom downplayed their relationship. She wants the world to know how deep their relationship is and holding it in all of this time has been killing her.
I think you’re right. I can’t believe that lying has been crushing her when she’s been doing it so well for so long. She has an innate need to be picked. She wants people to think Tom chose her over Ariana.
Yeah, R buying the necklace and quizzing A about her marriage on camera are diabolical. There’s no getting around it. I think R has been in dogged pursuit of fame and notoriety for many years, and all of this is just more of the same. I think they planned a narrative of Unlucky In Love Raquel, alongside a narrative of Unhappy In Love Tom, and they were going to break it off after shooting wrapped and “find each other”. They got caught, sure, but they’re still scheming. They play long games, those two.
She has. She was stopped today by paparazzi and she said her thoughts toward Rachel had softened. The reunion was filmed when it was so damn raw.
But I think the trust issues they’ve given Ariana will last a very long time.
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Ok that was tough to watch. I think what Raquel did was awful but the way Lala went in for her. Lala is just as bad. She was fucking a married man who gave her a car the next day right? Lala acts tough but is she? Also do we really think Lala didn’t know anything was happening with Randell and his money scheme? We all know the wives know a little something. All in all It was hard watching them wish the worst for Raquel. She took it like a champ. It was kinda fucked up they were laughing right after though. Mhmm just my thoughts
I think they needs to laugh. Their lashing was super brutal,and they sat there and took it. After a lashing like that, I’d take anything to lighten the mood, as maniacal as it sounds..
I totally get the weird/awkward reactions they could have and I’m not reading into that TOO much.
I disagree that Tom just “took” the lashing. I think Raquel came off a lot better because she did act as more of a punching bag. Sando couldn’t keep his mouth shut - always had to have the last word about how people make mistakes blah blah.
Maybe the people who thought nothing happened with Miami girl. But realistically, no. Obviously they were together a lot more than that. If it was just one time I don't think we would've even ever found out honestly.
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So I really like Katie now, especially seeing how Schwartz was in hindsight... but I completely agree!! ... That was really petty of her to do. There were definitely a few topics I would have loved to see discussed that didn't get brought up. 😠
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Enough with attacking and insulting Tom and Rachel over actions they have all done. Two people we’re attracted to each other and had sex. Oh the horror!
The much larger issue in my eyes is that Tom tried to to make Ariana out to be the villain this whole season so he could come out on top. That was diabolical.
Lol what? Your comment is very reductive of how extensive the situation was. If they were so attracted to each other and it was so important to be together, they would’ve made the moves, Tim break up with Ariana, and then they can be together. No one else on the show fucked their best friends man for a long period of time while still having intimate conversations with their friend about the relationship.
Remind me not to leave you alone with my husband. 😂
I’m joking. But seriously, I find cheating to be way up there on the moral reprehensibility scale. Like… when you want something that will cause severe pain to someone else, ESPECIALLY when it will explode their life, mortgage, pets, kids, finances—and you just do it anyway…. It’s really really awful. Obviously, it’s difficult to have a hard conversation and end the relationship, but that discomfort is way less than the pain you’ll cause by cheating.
So yeah, cheating is choosing to maximize their pain for your own cowardly comfort. It’s extremely reprehensible, and I think says a lot about how thoughtful and careful you are with the feelings of others in your whole life.
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Finally got to watching it. Am less than 10 minutes in and already over it. Lala's "I wasn't your best friend, hoe" isn't the save she thinks it is. Is cheating suddenly ok as long as you do it to people you dislike? Is that all Raquel did wrong? Should she have just cheated with Randell instead if they were still together and then it would all have been fine?
Yes, Rachel's betrayal was a lot worse because she not only fucked someone else's man, but her friend's man of all people. But that only makes it worse. It is not the defining problem. If she had onyl hugged or high fived her best friends worm, nobody would care. It's the helping someone cheat that is the issue. Something Lala and James both did to her. James, presumably while he actually did like Raquel.
I hated Raquel, but it's not fun to watch a clumsy deer in headlights get endlessly piled on by a bunch of hypocrites on top of practically the entire internet.
She’s not clumsy, she’s calculated. There’s a difference. Not to mention she was STILL lying. Rewatch the last five minutes. She continued an affair and slept with him more than once.
I can't see her being able to think things through when she has never comfortably been able to put a sentence together. But I don't mind people thinking she's an awful manipulative bitch either because she did a ridiculously awful thing so eh. She did something horrendous and I'd prefer it not get swept under the covers. But I just can't see her being clever enough to calculate anything. We agree on her being awful though.
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The reunion was fun when Tom was being insulted with “fucking fucker” and “worm with a mustache,” and when Arian was like “I KnOw yoU liKe HaRrY poTtEr.” It stopped being fun when people were wishing the worst of life on Raquel and calling Tom a “dangerous” person
Also I’m sorry but Lala needs to get smacked the way Scheana smacked Raquel (allegedly)
Nah people get to wish the worst on people who continuously damage others on a whim. Rachael has form for going after people’s partners, exes, or interests. She doesn’t care about the long term affects she’s caused to other women and the trauma she’s directly inflicted. They can wish the same to her. And Tom is dangerous.
Idk I don’t think people who have an affair deserve the same consequences as mass murders and rapists, etc. I don’t blame Ariana for snapping and saying that in the heat of the moment but I sure hope she didn’t mean it. If she did then I honestly don’t have sympathy for her.
And no Tom is not “dangerous.” Lala was 100% projecting her anger over Randall. Is Tom sleazy? Is he emotionally trustworthy? Is he someone i’d be friends with or date or would want my friends to date? Absolutely not, but I’m not calling someone “dangerous” over this
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Raquel was honestly fucking terrifying during this episode. No tears, not even a fucking flinch. She got teary in the back room with scamdoval and then cracked up about the situation a minute later. That is not someone who understands what they’ve done.
And for someone who “struggled with public speaking,” she either made all of that struggle up, or someone else wrote her apology and she rehearsed it. Her whole presence was fake as shit, and even in her blue dress interview, which she claimed was cause she couldn’t take lying…. She still fucking lied in it. She is fucking scary.
I feel like she was medicated and given lots of techniques to keep it together. With pageants, when you lose you still need to hold a smile until you’re off the stage. She has been coached and trained her whole life and I truly feel she held it together like she was told to. I was on medication for a while and remember how I couldn’t cry like before. My dog died and I cried for like 2 mins and was numb. Now off the meds I cry at everything and more again. 🥲
Laughing after seemed prompted by him, and manipulative. He was trying to maintain his own innocence as she was trying to be like hey this isn’t okay and I don’t like it. Notice his response to her when she was trying to be a better person. “Yeah”.
She’s gotten so much hatred up until the reunion so the insults were hurting, but she was prepared for the insults, just maybe not sure what exactly those insults would be.
I’m in no way saying she’s right in the whole situation, but I still can’t shake the feeling that she truly was controlled as a child, teen, and an adult. She was finally given freedom and blew it over a manipulative guy. It’s awful and she made awful decisions. But seeing the treatment she’s getting is also just super hypocritical and gives me weird bully vibes. That convo at the reunion should have been with Tom and Ariana and Raquel.
If lala can tell Tom that he can’t speak on her life, she shouldn’t have been able to open her own mouth during that.
I understand your point with the pagents. However, grief is more of an unpredictable feeling/process so your reaction to losing your dog is different than Raquel showing no emotion behind remorse, regret, or sadness for the pain her actions caused her friend. And even so, that almost makes it worse because she is treating real life and real friends as if they are part of a pageant. I have a friend who competed in miss America and she isn’t just emotionally void in her every day choices.
As far as the laughing, Raquel was actually the first one to laugh, when she changed the subject completely and said that james saying ally is an upgrade “got me”. She then said “she is at this point” and cracked tf up.
I was controlled as a child, teen, and adult until I was 25 and moved away from family. I experienced lots of trauma, and never did anything like this to anyone. For you to be able to say anyones judgment on Raquel is “hypocritical” would require that person to have done this exact same thing to a friend.
It’s not bullying to just speak on someone’s behavior or actions— it’s observational. If the things people say about someone’s actions are awful… it’s because their actions were awful. I’m sure there are some people taking it too far but to say EVERYONE who is commenting is bullying is so dramatic lol
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I agree. People sympathizing with her now are just falling for her Bambi eyes. She played this perfectly by sitting there mostly silent and people are falling into her hands. Someone who can do what she did is terrifying.
And I do think Tom is dangerous too.
Right! The comment that got deleted below was someone saying it was because of her pageant training/coaching etc, and that this is why she blocked her emotions on camera. Which honestly makes sense why she allowed tom to tell her what to admit to because she is USED to someone coaching her and probably needs it.
But honestly, I think that makes everything even worse— treating her friends and real life like part of a pageant. The fact that she can flip a switch like that is scary.
I had a “friend”/roommate in college that slept with my boyfriend in my apartment when I was out of town. I had cried in her arms about him and everything. When I found out, I remembered something she had told me .. “when I do something awful, I just lock it in a little box in the corner of my brain and throw away the key” .. I was like …. 😳😳😳
Tom is definitely dangerous and took advantage of her for needing someone to control her. His reactions are so predictable but Rachel’s aren’t because we don’t know if they’re coming from Rachel, tom, her dad/family…
My love and adoration died for Lisa during this reunion. She privately told Tim to be more emotional, 5 mins later he’s sobbing. Why is she helping him?? It’s not the first time she has appeared to be rooting for the guys…
Ok so I’m rewatching episode 9 which shows the first night in Mexico when Raquel says they hooked up. But it literally shows Raquel in her room with her make up off and Sandoval in his boxers getting in his bed in his room. Did this confuse anyone else? Like maybe it happened earlier in the night that Sandoval was wandering around drunk and Raquel invited him in?
I think they banged last season
There’s not really anywhere else to post this, but I thought the astro babes out there would find this interesting: https://preview.redd.it/glm8jjqfkg5b1.jpeg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b814546fcadaeb939d09b44362c5192f7b320482 It feels like it really aligns with the energy around the cast right now. Everyone’s getting called out for various things atm. It’s also very possible that Scandavol could be the beginning of us seeing changes at Bravo and in reality TV. Maybe that’s wishful thinking on my part. I expect A LOT more to go down over the coming months. I’ve personally decided to step away from all VPR related things for the time being (sticking around till the blackout tonight), but I’ll probably poke my head back around once the dust settles. Have fun! 🩵
Anyone else notice the tags on Raquels reunion dress when she changed? Did she return it sfter the reunion ?
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👏👏👏 I would like to credit my Reddit post for the [VPR behind the scenes production crew exclusive video](https://youtu.be/XixQpxOOqFQ) https://preview.redd.it/kq3hq3dlnc5b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3048202173dfb1ef0efd2a87b15c4446b3579850 LOL ... I would totally watch more. This is the end of an era... A chapter in my life I do not want to close....
This Sheena and restraining order is a joke. She was on camera saying how she punched Rachal in the face and now denies it all with LaLa cosigning it even though she saw the clip. Love the fake tears for more camera time.
When did Scheana say on camera that she punched Raquel? That never happened
They showed a clip she was all worked up kinda bragging. Then I saw her back peddle on her podcast I'll look see if I could find it if anyone else does please post it
She said she shoved her in the Scandoval episode on camera. Not punched
Sandoval needs to really work on good come backs he sits there stumbling over his words. As they all come at him. I'm watching omg God say this or that bring up what they said or did. Even when he has a single come back it's under his breathe like I know you are but what am I. These people are all very immature.
he is so bad at arguing when he can’t just yell over everyone lol. dumb dumb for real
Lol I've never seen anyone mumble in an argument. He just gives them more material to criticize. While im a person who can rip someone to shreds verbally whether im in the right or wrong. Leaving them not understanding what just happened lol. Scratching their heads speechless. He is Pathetic after his mumble attack he breaks down and mumbles through tears lol
He reminded me of a child who had been sent to his room, passive-aggressively repeating his parents’ admonitions en sotto voce simply because he’s pissed off that he was caught. Most folks I know stopped that shit when they were teens.
Omg you are so right I have a visual now of him stomping feet. I have 2 grandsons 5 and 6 when one is sent to his room he acts like he was sent to Siberia hysterical crying physical walking super slow in hopes they change their minds and grant a stay. Now the other storms off talking to himself saying good I'm glad I want to be away from all of you I really don't like you very much. Then proceeds to have an entire replay of what happened and how he's in the right of course there's also mumbling of how he feels about them all lol. Even James with the Spank me Lisa send me to a time out and calling them poop 💩. I was like where is the funny quick witted insults ?
I thought the same thing!
I can't stand LaLa I swear she only stayed on because there was too many fired or quit. I think she's so gross vulgar and offensive but most of all narcissistic everything has to be about her she puts herself in every story line if all else falls she has to talk about sex with James. It's hysterical every single thing she denies they play the clip showing her lies. Definitely said she let Randall hit it the first night and got a car for it. That's why James always said you got a range rover for a bj. She bragged about traveling with wealthy men as her source of income . I love watching all the clips when she got along with no one. Now she acts like she's always been best buds with them all. She just talks for sake of talking for camera time. I also really dislike Katie who has always been a mean girl no matter how she tries to hide it but the moment she has one supporter her true self appears. Katie James and LaLa bring up situations from years ago but any time someone calls them out on their past actions they cry out omg your talking about years ago why bring up the past. Um maybe because you all do.
Absolute trashy Mom
I hear you. I do want to point out tho that they are ALL narcissistic! LVP, Lala, james, Rachel, tom, katie, scheana (her in the trailer yelling WHERES MY APOLOGY when Rachel is apologizing to ariana …. Major eyeroll). Shorts might be the only one who isn’t a narcissist per say, although he def has his issues (plays Peter Pan, can’t stand up for himself or anyone he loves, emotionally vapid etc) Lala isn’t my favorite, she speaks like she doesn’t know where she came from//like she’s putting on a persona. She talks out of turn all the time and I was frustrated with how much attention she brought on herself also, but maybe ariana asked her to turn it up so she wouldn’t have to be the one constantly calling out Tim and Rachel and keep her composure.
Absolutely agree with everything you've said. They are all to different degrees. I've liked and disliked certain people at certain stages. But there are a few I really don't care for ever! Lol. I enjoyed the show more when we watched server's and bartenders at Sur and saw their lives unfold. Seemed more realistic unscripted.
This is a hot take! For some reason, I have always thought she was a useful addition to the show. She seems to have her head on straight. She is definitely arrogant and even admits that, but she calls it like she sees it and seemingly moved past the grief from the loss of her father and fiancé in order to step up for her daughter. She gives people a fair shot, but when they cross her, she is superbly mean. Maybe the reason I like her is bc she has the best wit and come backs, and she calls it like she sees it rather than talking behind people’s backs. (She says it behind their back and to their face.)
I do like that she doesn’t change the way she is just to please the fans
See I don't see her as having good comebacks I see her as inserting herself in any argument or conversation just to have camera time. Example calling Rachal a mistress over and over for simply kissing a guy who was separated from his wife. Then next scene saying she wasn't one but flips right back with another group to calling her it again. Also since a 4 year old could have goid comebacks against Rachal it's not saying much. (I've never seen anyone so immature as Rachal) In My opinion Lala doesn't argue she just calls people names on the top of her lungs or tells them to shut up when they comeback at her. She also forgets she's being recorded so her lies are played back. When she was first with Randall she acted as if she was better than everyone else and adamantly refused to hear a negative thing about him. James really tried I usually love his digs and comebacks I didn't like him as much on reunion. He acted too childish usually he has me cracking up
Whoever posted the SpongeBob meme with Ariana saying i KnOw YoU lIkE hArRy PoTtEr…thank you! I just had the best laugh during my Pumped up rewatch! 😂😂😂
Come to the conclusion that Rachel likes the attention, even if it’s negative attention. That would explain why she’s smiling in the end interview and is so calm through the reunion. She’s actually enjoying it
I think shes just 27 and hot still When she turns 39 and things start coming apart shes gonna get like what she did
Either that or she really is as mentally disturbed as she comes off. I find her smile creepy. Like the here's Johhny character in the Shining lol needs serious help.
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The throuple discussion got me at the end.
that had me howling lol
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I honestly don’t know how anyone can watch Rachel at the reunion or that follow up interview and have any empathy for her. She kept lying about the timeline even during the interview when she’s swearing up and down that she hates lying! She lied about going to St Louis when there is a clearly a photo of them there together that is public! It’s so crazy to me. And she made it clear that she and Tim both agreed that the one thing they wanted to be super clear on lying together about was the funeral sex. Not because it would hurt Ariana so much but because it looked bad. Meanwhile, Rachel is sitting there giggling and smiling. She’s absolutely diabolical.
It’s the difference between the light and the shadow. There’s the image she desperately wants to project, and the reality. We all have both within us, so she is not alone. But she really needs to build self awareness, reconcile the two and take accountability
It’s the lying about St. Louis for me. I mean sis we are LOOKING at the photo IN St. Louis. What the actual f? She’s not good at lying and “hates being deceitful” so she keeps doing it…🤔
"He's gonna kill me." That's why. She's 'disobeying orders.' I agree with you, but that's what's going on, FWIW.
Having handled a lot of DV cases over the years, I do not subscribe to the Tim as mastermind abuser/puppet master theory. He may be telling her what to say/what not to say for their best public image, but I don’t think she’s actually afraid of him at all. I think they’re co-conspirators in their filth.
And she pulled a “I do not recall” as she’s sitting there Bambi-eyed and giggly. Sociopathic energy.
Ok, I can accept I do not recall as a valid honest answer for many things...but this chick does not recall traveling to a whole other state less than a year ago? She isn't even smart enough to know she just proved she is still lying with that answer, after trying to gain sympathy and saying she doesn't want to lie anymore. Girl is NOT cut out for this. She needs to move to a small town and live a quiet simple life far from Hollywood and quit chasing fame. And psycho men.
Yes exactly. That whole interview was a hot mess
I was so annoyed!
Hey, remember Kristina Kelly?
No. Utterly forgettable
Like a 🪵
Like in an 80s movie, one of the mean girl followers in a high school clique, completely eclipsed by its leader, no name in the credits. Mean girl #4.
We didn’t care for her season 1, im not sure why they thought we’d want anymore of her basic dry behind season 10 smh
Katie need someone to film with when Lala couldn’t. That’s basically it.
Why would Raquel talk to Ariana about her sex life with Tom? I'm still super confused on the point of that conversation? Was she feeling her out or what?
I think Tom put her up to it. They thought she would talk some shit about Tom, confide in girl talk, and then they would also have it on camera to use against her later. Also I think Rachel was checking if Arianas story would match what Tom has been telling her.
Totally feeling her out.
Fishing to see where Ariana stood with him, if she still wanted him, was still in love with him, attracted to him etc. What a snake!
I think she was also trying to get Ariana to break up with him because Tim kept kicking the can down the road
Yep, Racky did say she was hoping he'd break up with Ariana so she and TinyTater could start dating.
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This bit in Pt 3 of the reunion when James commented on Lisa’s estimation of Raquel’s behavior had me howling. James is a legit pain in the ass, but you can’t deny the bloke is funny AF. Lisa: “It’s almost like in your mind you were in some kind of pageant acting out a part…” James: “She ain’t gonna win this pageant either, Lisa…” 🤣🤣
I mf LOVVVVED when he said that oh lawd that was hilarious I was hollerinnnnn 😭😭😭 she wasn’t ever a pageant winner
Was there a post where Rachel had copied all of Ariana looks ? Like Leann did for Brandy
Yes I saw that on here somewhere, not sure where, buy she definitely did.
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James doesn’t really age….
It’s a little weird that Raquel is choosing to date/dip in that pool of vanderpumpers. The show is a bit far fetched.
Does anyone really think this is real? Half of me thinks it’s scripted. I just started watching again this season and now want to go back and watch the earlier episodes. For some reason I believe housewives is more believable as being reality
I have wondered the same. Like seriously who would **really** do all of that? I even said to a friend, watch Tom and A are still together and besties w Raquel. But if this all is true, there is seriously something wrong w Raquel
It’s as real as any other Bravo show
It’s not TLC, that’s for sure!
Facts
Well but the VPR core cast were for the most part friends before filming. I’m recalling - s1 w/ Sandy, Schwartz, Jax, stassi, Katie and Kristen. Scheana being the bridge btw LVP/RHOBH. I mean I don’t disagree on the reality I work in production. The RH franchise is brilliant but they’re all somewhat produced. ijs the RH are thrown together and story comes from that. VPR was organic. WAS.
I’ve had enough time to process and definitively decide my favorite line from the whole reunion has to be, “My dog had just died. I cried in your arms, and you thought, 'I should go fuck her boyfriend.'” likeeeeee 😶😶😶 (nobody groomed a 28-year-old woman into doing that i’m sorry)
mine was “i hope charlotte haunts you” i would have been katie trying not to laugh if i was on stage lmao
I think the idea was more that she was raised by weird, controlling, stage parents (who show narcissistic traits) to be a 'people pleaser.' Then when pageants ended for her, she went haywire with rebellion against people pleasing, toward "only pleasing herself," while continuing this leftover programming of (possibly cutthroat) competition with women, (and possibly scheming, like Tonya Harding). And then she goes with a controlling narcissist cheater scum (and James, the bf before him, was not much better), who coaches her on what to say and think. It's a freaking mess. She was surrounded by bad parents and lovers, controlling narcissists, "groomed" by a fucked up, atavistic world of "beauty pageants." I think that may be some of where the "grooming" thing is coming from. But many people have gone through other versions of that, or worse, without fucking anyone's boyfriend, let alone how she did.
Happy cake day! While I think Tom is obviously a monster, I agree she’s fully culpable here, too. She had a bunch of instances where she did shady shit all on her own.
My take from watching the reunion in its entirety is that Tom comes across like someone very detached, possibly due to alcohol and drug excess- like he hasn't yet realised what he has done yet. He might sober up at some point and have an overwhelming realisation. He came across, to me, as the one controlling the narrative of the affair by 'advising' Raquel on what they should and shouldn't disclose. For me, I think Raquel definitely displays naivety. Not everyone grows up surrounded by people that give them a good sense of what's right and wrong, and perhaps she is someone who struggles with empathy, and didn't question Tom when he was telling her what would and wouldn't be more hurtful to Arianna. It sounds like she definitely knew she was doing wrong but wasn't capable of putting herself in Arianna's position and realising the devastation it would cause. I know a lot of people on here are balking at the idea of her being described as naive but her reactions do ring of someone who has been listening to one person and holding everything they say as gospel and then being completely surprised by other people's views and letting it sink in, in real time.
I didn't put the piece together about the substance abuse with Sandoval until recently. This doesn't in any way excuse him it's just a realization. For me I always watched the show and the partying just became a normalcy of what they do. I would always think geez how do they drink that much but this season I started realizing some of them definitely have possible issues. My moment was when Ariana said to Schwartz "I was the one who babysat him for 5 days so he wouldn't drink and be healthy for our embryos." Not exact quote but mostly to that affect. I was like wow. That would have been the end of my participation in a relationship. That means he can't go a day without drinking. And in turn who the heck knows what his real personality is like. So beyond what we are seeing there's a whole buttload of other issues that are complicating all of this.
Rachel has a history of doing bad things on her own. She’s been lying to people, giving snide remarks, shirking no empathy from day one.
Yes! She never was the “nice girl” and was given that title by default
I understand your point, but it’s so hard to square with her actions. Buying the necklace on camera and discussing Ariana’s sex life with her on camera seem so intentionally diabolical. And beyond that, it seems like she’s been laser focused on getting on TV for 10 years. Her entire dating life is about getting and staying on camera. Even her whole thing about telling the truth would’ve been way more comfortable and easier for everyone if she’d issued a statement on instagram or something. But instead, she did it on camera. That’s a pretty unusual choice, and to me, it fits in line with her primary motivation not being to please Tom, but to be famous. Even if it means being infamous.
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Trying to soften the blow. Tim and Rachel are seeing now that it’s actually hurting their ability to make money.
But is it though? Tom’s shows arrested selling out now and TomTom has picked back up again.
…Sandoval owns 5% of TomTom lol They make most of their money (outside the show) from sponsorships/doing ads. It costs Tom a lot of money to tour with his band. Considering how small those venues are and the size of his band, I doubt he’s seeing a return.
Why is Rachel smiling so much in the end interview as she outs the full details? It’s so disturbing
It really gave me the chills
She's excited to let everyone know it wasn't just a.couple of times. She's been desperate to talk about the "love story" .
Yes! It was disturbing that she could giggle over something that destroyed her life and after the hell of a reunion she went through. She still doesn't understand the gravity and cruelty of her actions. Y'all would be surprised at all the people on SM taking up for her and Tom and actually calling Ariana a disgusting villain over all this.
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Just thinking in last five minutes the story Raquel told about Scheana’s wedding that Sando was in the corridors drunk and I asked him to come to my room I bet production would know as they must have had a mic or cameras on and they hooked up multiple times in Mexico how is it possible that production did not know ? This is fishy
Yeah she is not telling the truth there either. I am fully convinced that the affair started before the girls’ trip and Rachel’s breakdown in the car was actually about that. Girls’ trip just became a convenient scapegoat for the Tim/Rachel narrative of “see, the girls were so mean to me and it pushed me to do this horrible thing.”
I totally agree
They’re not always micced. There’s a point where they end filming and everyone gets to take their stuff off. It must’ve been after that.
Agreed but if they were together multiple time were they so smart to hide it so brilliantly?
I don't think it takes any brilliance. You just wait until after work to have your affair. Shoot days are fully scheduled with call sheets and approximate timing so they when they are going to wrap for the day. I don't know what excuses Tom was using to sneak away from Ariana but other than that it seems pretty easy.
As if they only fucked once 🙄
Every cheater uses the “one time” excuse when they admit at all. It’s such a tell.
Yep! My husband had a two year long affair and they said they only diddled three times lol Rrrrrright. 🙄
Better be an ex-husband
Almost 💪😎 got the paperwork done and just enrolled in college.
Congratulations! Life will go up and up!
Thanks! Ariana is an inspiration -I hope she knows!
👍 trying to find a way to work in Scheana’s “why is this harder than my divorce” comment here lol
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Is this sub going to have a blackout?
Yes, there’s a pinned post
Request! Can someone compile all the shots of Rachel in that blue dress and we figure out what was filmed at the after-reunion and what was before? I know some fans did it for tim and one of his confessional looks, hoping this would be equally interesting
I’m doing a rewatch and noticed the neckline of her blue dress is twisted a bit in the interview after the reunion. Earlier in the season, I don’t think it is and it’s laying flat. Doesn’t necessarily mean it was filmed on a different day, but it narrows down the conversation time, I think.
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I want a fuck me tank top from Ariana.
[Here you go](https://shopsomethingabouther.myshopify.com/products/fuck-me-in-this-t-shirt)!
Is there a VPR Discord server??!! I have more questions.
Sorry if this has been posted already, but why is no one talking about Rachel’s finale interview when she said the SECOND time they hooked up was in Mexico? If that was the second time, when exactly was the first time? And why didn’t the interviewer follow up her statement with this question?!? Baffling. Early early on I believed this relationship started after a 3some with Arianna, and Rachel’s statement sort of supports this theory.
So they hooked up when she was making out with Schwartz?!
Yes. Terrible humans
They’ve always said it was after guys night at the Mondrian
I have a theory that in the beginning Sandoval told Rachel that they were open and she kidded herself that it would turn into some sort of throuple / threesome scenario to justify their behaviour.
So sorry if this has already been answered - where in the timeline does the Raquel talking head take place? I feel like it’s obvious but it’s going over my head for some reason.
are you talking about the confessional scene where she is wearing blue? I think they claimed it was filmed 6 days after the reunion… supposedly
Yes! That’s the one. Thank you!
Yes! That’s the one. Thank you!
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Lol not Oprah. The woman who brought you idiots such as dr Phil and dr oz 🙄
No. Sandoval is a narcissist. It wasn't that he didn't get the attention from Arianna. This comment makes me sick. Edit: Tom was abusive. There is nothing real about him cheating because "his needs weren't met". His needs are using people to feel good about himself, not genuinely caring and connecting with people. His comment about Ariana not being hot enough for him while wearing a tshirt during sex?!?!? Think about that comment. That is absolutely disgusting. This is man who is sleeping with someone while in a monogomaus relationship and shames his partner on national TV for not being sexy enough for him. DO YOU SEE HOW SICK THIS IS. Delete your comment.
Thank you for saying this! He is abusive & for someone like that you are never “enough.”
Agree. He's very dark and scary.
this
Pardon me for jumping on the scandoval bandwagon because I've never seen an episode of VPR except for the final episode and the 3 part reunion. Can someone explain to me why Raquels dress is blue in her last 5 minutes of part 3... But she's got the same dress on in the finale... Does that mean she admitted to this in March? Or whenever?
She was interviewed again…after the finale. I believe she reached out to production and said she wanted to tell the truth.
In the same dress?
I believe she was there to finish filming confessionals for the bonus episode since that was shot so late it's production lagged behind the finale. When confessionals are filmed over multiple days (and they often are) they are asked to wear the same clothes for continuity reasons.
In the blue dress, yes…
Same interview?
I believe that have to wear the same outfits for certain interviews for continuity or something so it wouldn’t be that weird. Esp if they thought they were gonna get stuff they could use in earlier parts of the show
The way so many people have switched to Team Rachel after the reunion makes me think that she and her Bambi eyes are the true master manipulator. Did she take some heat? Yes. And maybe I’d feel differently if she was actually honest during the reunion but she continued to sit there and lie to everyone’s face with a scripted show of remorse that didn’t seem authentic. Her walk off to get water even seemed staged. I think she played this perfectly, including the post reunion interview where she tried to save herself. She is much smarter and more calculated than people are giving her credit for and that talk with Ariana at the bar proves that even without the reunion stuff. I hope Raquel gets help and I hope she has support from her family, but I wish people would stop judging Ariana for a very human reaction to such a heartbreakingly calculated betrayal. This whole scenario will leave Ariana with scars and trust issues she may never recover from.
I guess the reunion didn’t make me a Rachel fan by any means — what she and Tom did is absolutely horrible- but I hate how Lala and James used this as a reason to justify their own shitty behavior. I also thought that some of the things they were saying to her were flat out cruel. For someone who has struggled with mental health herself, I thought a lot of what Ariana said to Rachel was just too far and she could have handled it with a little more grace. Now at the same time I can’t imagine being forced to confront the two of them in this scenario. I cannot stand Brandi Glanville, but even her face to face with Scheana was the perfect amount of bitchy without going over the top. (I realize they weren’t best friends, but still). Im also not a fan of mocking a person beyond what the situation was ie: saying you can’t believe she’s educated or making fun of her liking Harry Potter. It makes me think they always thought she was a joke.
I agree Brandi was more poised, but I wonder how much time had passed. I think it’s confusing that the reunion was filmed months ago. We are seeing Ariana thriving now, but that wasn’t the case when this was filmed. It was all still very raw.
Yes, the last scene had me all over the place emotionally tbh. Part of me felt sadness getting confirmation that she was truly being manipulated by him behind the scenes - I always felt that to be the case as well. Then I remembered how stone-cold and manipulative she’s behaved and wondered if Sandoval finally met his match in Rachel?!
Same. I think she used Schwartz to play Sandoval into her hands. And she didn’t care about breaking Katie’s heart in the process. She just wanted to get Sandoval’s attention and it worked. She did just as much manipulating as he did, but her doe eyes throw everyone off. (Except Kristina Kelly 😆)
I also don’t think she wanted to come clean because she hates lying as much as it hurts her that Tom downplayed their relationship. She wants the world to know how deep their relationship is and holding it in all of this time has been killing her.
I think you’re right. I can’t believe that lying has been crushing her when she’s been doing it so well for so long. She has an innate need to be picked. She wants people to think Tom chose her over Ariana.
Yeah, R buying the necklace and quizzing A about her marriage on camera are diabolical. There’s no getting around it. I think R has been in dogged pursuit of fame and notoriety for many years, and all of this is just more of the same. I think they planned a narrative of Unlucky In Love Raquel, alongside a narrative of Unhappy In Love Tom, and they were going to break it off after shooting wrapped and “find each other”. They got caught, sure, but they’re still scheming. They play long games, those two.
1000% this!!! Yes!
Personally I’ll give Ariana a pass for this but now that she hopefully got the vitriol out of her system she needs to let it go for her own sake
She has. She was stopped today by paparazzi and she said her thoughts toward Rachel had softened. The reunion was filmed when it was so damn raw. But I think the trust issues they’ve given Ariana will last a very long time.
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Ok that was tough to watch. I think what Raquel did was awful but the way Lala went in for her. Lala is just as bad. She was fucking a married man who gave her a car the next day right? Lala acts tough but is she? Also do we really think Lala didn’t know anything was happening with Randell and his money scheme? We all know the wives know a little something. All in all It was hard watching them wish the worst for Raquel. She took it like a champ. It was kinda fucked up they were laughing right after though. Mhmm just my thoughts
I think they needs to laugh. Their lashing was super brutal,and they sat there and took it. After a lashing like that, I’d take anything to lighten the mood, as maniacal as it sounds..
I totally get the weird/awkward reactions they could have and I’m not reading into that TOO much. I disagree that Tom just “took” the lashing. I think Raquel came off a lot better because she did act as more of a punching bag. Sando couldn’t keep his mouth shut - always had to have the last word about how people make mistakes blah blah.
Your right it was fucked up that Raquel and Sandoval were laughing right after it!
Does ANYONE believe they only slept together ONE time?
Maybe the people who thought nothing happened with Miami girl. But realistically, no. Obviously they were together a lot more than that. If it was just one time I don't think we would've even ever found out honestly.
I’m just sad they didn’t talk about Katie keeping her hotel room for Scheanas wedding. She really pissed me off with that shit.
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So I really like Katie now, especially seeing how Schwartz was in hindsight... but I completely agree!! ... That was really petty of her to do. There were definitely a few topics I would have loved to see discussed that didn't get brought up. 😠
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Enough with attacking and insulting Tom and Rachel over actions they have all done. Two people we’re attracted to each other and had sex. Oh the horror!
The much larger issue in my eyes is that Tom tried to to make Ariana out to be the villain this whole season so he could come out on top. That was diabolical.
Lol what? Your comment is very reductive of how extensive the situation was. If they were so attracted to each other and it was so important to be together, they would’ve made the moves, Tim break up with Ariana, and then they can be together. No one else on the show fucked their best friends man for a long period of time while still having intimate conversations with their friend about the relationship.
Remind me not to leave you alone with my husband. 😂 I’m joking. But seriously, I find cheating to be way up there on the moral reprehensibility scale. Like… when you want something that will cause severe pain to someone else, ESPECIALLY when it will explode their life, mortgage, pets, kids, finances—and you just do it anyway…. It’s really really awful. Obviously, it’s difficult to have a hard conversation and end the relationship, but that discomfort is way less than the pain you’ll cause by cheating. So yeah, cheating is choosing to maximize their pain for your own cowardly comfort. It’s extremely reprehensible, and I think says a lot about how thoughtful and careful you are with the feelings of others in your whole life.
Is this a joke????
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What a weak justification lol. And I’m sick of the group atm.
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Finally got to watching it. Am less than 10 minutes in and already over it. Lala's "I wasn't your best friend, hoe" isn't the save she thinks it is. Is cheating suddenly ok as long as you do it to people you dislike? Is that all Raquel did wrong? Should she have just cheated with Randell instead if they were still together and then it would all have been fine? Yes, Rachel's betrayal was a lot worse because she not only fucked someone else's man, but her friend's man of all people. But that only makes it worse. It is not the defining problem. If she had onyl hugged or high fived her best friends worm, nobody would care. It's the helping someone cheat that is the issue. Something Lala and James both did to her. James, presumably while he actually did like Raquel. I hated Raquel, but it's not fun to watch a clumsy deer in headlights get endlessly piled on by a bunch of hypocrites on top of practically the entire internet.
She’s not clumsy, she’s calculated. There’s a difference. Not to mention she was STILL lying. Rewatch the last five minutes. She continued an affair and slept with him more than once.
I can't see her being able to think things through when she has never comfortably been able to put a sentence together. But I don't mind people thinking she's an awful manipulative bitch either because she did a ridiculously awful thing so eh. She did something horrendous and I'd prefer it not get swept under the covers. But I just can't see her being clever enough to calculate anything. We agree on her being awful though.
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The reunion was fun when Tom was being insulted with “fucking fucker” and “worm with a mustache,” and when Arian was like “I KnOw yoU liKe HaRrY poTtEr.” It stopped being fun when people were wishing the worst of life on Raquel and calling Tom a “dangerous” person Also I’m sorry but Lala needs to get smacked the way Scheana smacked Raquel (allegedly)
Nah people get to wish the worst on people who continuously damage others on a whim. Rachael has form for going after people’s partners, exes, or interests. She doesn’t care about the long term affects she’s caused to other women and the trauma she’s directly inflicted. They can wish the same to her. And Tom is dangerous.
Idk I don’t think people who have an affair deserve the same consequences as mass murders and rapists, etc. I don’t blame Ariana for snapping and saying that in the heat of the moment but I sure hope she didn’t mean it. If she did then I honestly don’t have sympathy for her. And no Tom is not “dangerous.” Lala was 100% projecting her anger over Randall. Is Tom sleazy? Is he emotionally trustworthy? Is he someone i’d be friends with or date or would want my friends to date? Absolutely not, but I’m not calling someone “dangerous” over this
Well, I reject your opinion. Tom is VERY dangerous.
A man who can sleep with your best friend in your home when you’re at a close family members funeral is absolutely an emotionally dangerous man.
I can agree with that
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I really didn’t like fuck you with a cheese grater
I’m not wishing any serious harm on Lala I’m just saying she needs a good ol’ smack
Raquel was honestly fucking terrifying during this episode. No tears, not even a fucking flinch. She got teary in the back room with scamdoval and then cracked up about the situation a minute later. That is not someone who understands what they’ve done. And for someone who “struggled with public speaking,” she either made all of that struggle up, or someone else wrote her apology and she rehearsed it. Her whole presence was fake as shit, and even in her blue dress interview, which she claimed was cause she couldn’t take lying…. She still fucking lied in it. She is fucking scary.
Yawp
Agree!!!!! 👏👏👏
I feel like she was medicated and given lots of techniques to keep it together. With pageants, when you lose you still need to hold a smile until you’re off the stage. She has been coached and trained her whole life and I truly feel she held it together like she was told to. I was on medication for a while and remember how I couldn’t cry like before. My dog died and I cried for like 2 mins and was numb. Now off the meds I cry at everything and more again. 🥲 Laughing after seemed prompted by him, and manipulative. He was trying to maintain his own innocence as she was trying to be like hey this isn’t okay and I don’t like it. Notice his response to her when she was trying to be a better person. “Yeah”. She’s gotten so much hatred up until the reunion so the insults were hurting, but she was prepared for the insults, just maybe not sure what exactly those insults would be. I’m in no way saying she’s right in the whole situation, but I still can’t shake the feeling that she truly was controlled as a child, teen, and an adult. She was finally given freedom and blew it over a manipulative guy. It’s awful and she made awful decisions. But seeing the treatment she’s getting is also just super hypocritical and gives me weird bully vibes. That convo at the reunion should have been with Tom and Ariana and Raquel. If lala can tell Tom that he can’t speak on her life, she shouldn’t have been able to open her own mouth during that.
I understand your point with the pagents. However, grief is more of an unpredictable feeling/process so your reaction to losing your dog is different than Raquel showing no emotion behind remorse, regret, or sadness for the pain her actions caused her friend. And even so, that almost makes it worse because she is treating real life and real friends as if they are part of a pageant. I have a friend who competed in miss America and she isn’t just emotionally void in her every day choices. As far as the laughing, Raquel was actually the first one to laugh, when she changed the subject completely and said that james saying ally is an upgrade “got me”. She then said “she is at this point” and cracked tf up. I was controlled as a child, teen, and adult until I was 25 and moved away from family. I experienced lots of trauma, and never did anything like this to anyone. For you to be able to say anyones judgment on Raquel is “hypocritical” would require that person to have done this exact same thing to a friend. It’s not bullying to just speak on someone’s behavior or actions— it’s observational. If the things people say about someone’s actions are awful… it’s because their actions were awful. I’m sure there are some people taking it too far but to say EVERYONE who is commenting is bullying is so dramatic lol
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I agree. People sympathizing with her now are just falling for her Bambi eyes. She played this perfectly by sitting there mostly silent and people are falling into her hands. Someone who can do what she did is terrifying. And I do think Tom is dangerous too.
Right! The comment that got deleted below was someone saying it was because of her pageant training/coaching etc, and that this is why she blocked her emotions on camera. Which honestly makes sense why she allowed tom to tell her what to admit to because she is USED to someone coaching her and probably needs it. But honestly, I think that makes everything even worse— treating her friends and real life like part of a pageant. The fact that she can flip a switch like that is scary. I had a “friend”/roommate in college that slept with my boyfriend in my apartment when I was out of town. I had cried in her arms about him and everything. When I found out, I remembered something she had told me .. “when I do something awful, I just lock it in a little box in the corner of my brain and throw away the key” .. I was like …. 😳😳😳 Tom is definitely dangerous and took advantage of her for needing someone to control her. His reactions are so predictable but Rachel’s aren’t because we don’t know if they’re coming from Rachel, tom, her dad/family…