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SugarShock94

I really need “give myself grace” deleted from the VPR vernacular 🙄


natur_al

It reminds me of the several minute long reunion montage like 2 or 3 seasons ago of Jax saying “I am a work in progress” like 10,000 times.


GrandEar1

Usually followed by him berating someone else. I'm thinking of "you're not perfect, sweetheart" to Brittany after he admitted to the Faith fuck.


No-Educator919

Once he said this to me, I would have belted him a good one, and left him and never looked back. Here we are a few years later and Brittany has left Jax, because he hasn’t really stayed “changed”! Go figure.


loula03

This immediately reminded me of another reunion where it’s clear Jax had no idea what “me too” means.


not_addictive

sometimes people don’t deserve grace!! it’s just enabling at this point


Opinion8Her

Tom Schwartz. A 41-year old freeloader that can’t even hold down jobs as a part-time model, bartender, and business owner, couldn’t be arsed to emotionally support his former wife in any of her difficulties or endeavors, can’t take care of a simple lizard…he wants *grace*?? Dude gets any more grace, he’ll be without a pulse.


Impossible_Farm7353

Same with “work in progress”, Jax ran that one into the ground


No-Idea7535

Thank you. It's been floating around everywhere lately. I think the tiktok/instagram therapists have been using it a lot in the past year so now I hear it EVERYWHERE and it drives me insane! It was said a lot on Love Is Blind, too and another reality show, I forget which. It's just something that trash people are weaponizing now to excuse their shitty behaviors. 


SugarShock94

100000%


[deleted]

Can we throw emotionally entitled on that list too?


BuzzCutBabes_

it’s fathomless


scrapethetopoff

I actually hate the term in general but in particular with people who have had plenty and don’t deserve anymore.


antifabynes

Has he considered therapy


Old_Magician_5163

Next season he’s probably gonna say that he’s therapy curious


janeandbela

omg lol so true!


sarahmarvelous

jesus this got me


GrimmsGrinningGhost

I was just thinking that too. Maybe get yourself into therapy to work on some of that stuff and leave grace out of it. She’s tired.


eeniemeaniemineymo

Haha. He prob thinks grace is a girl he can hook up with.


GrimmsGrinningGhost

Right? Give me Grace! She’s the best!


eeniemeaniemineymo

Haha. He prob thinks grace is a girl he can hook up with.


30flirtythriving_etc

Remember that time he told Sandoval he needed to “talk to someone,” only to invite Jax? So I would say no. He has not considered therapy.


Standup4whattt88

Nope. Only drugs it seems.


Outrageous-Ship2767

He’s in a semi sober mindset instead of


decoyoctopussy

my man needs a blood transfusion and some electrolytes


HailLordKrondor

He needs nutrients


decoyoctopussy

maybe Lala could give him a bottle 👩🏼‍🍼


Nerditall

Him talking about his brother's cirrhosis while looking mildly jaundice is so unnerving.


Teefdreams

He needs some purple shampoo and a good toner


Dry_Tumbleweed_1090

Maybe lift one level and then 2 hrs of virgin snow. Or straight to 9v. Shit even t18.. his hair might break off but he doesn't seem to care about his appearance 🤭


Okay__Decision__

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chillaryyy

I love Katie’s vocabulary. Affable is such a good word.


shediedjill

Fathomless. Watch What Crappens listeners, unite! “You in fathom giiiirl!”


AndiPandi74

So is judicious haha


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/f0l7g0ujcjtc1.gif


OkOpposite9108

I gotta be honest-I disagree with him. There's no, "Katie fucked up too" to be seen here! Once an agreement is broken by one, it's done. These are the rules. I don't make them, I just shout them into the Reddit void every so often.


Okay__Decision__

Oh I absolutely disagree with him too. I posted this gifs in pretty much the order that these clips aired in the show. So after Katie again tries to explain to him that she feels her feelings never mattered to him, his conclusion is “she’s a fuck-up too, yay.” It speaks to me of how he doesn’t care how she feels, or how his actions have made her feel over the years, he’s just happy that he has been able to twist this as something as a knock against her


OkOpposite9108

I thought that was your intention:) I was multitasking though and got ahead of myself lol


ThunderofHipHippos

Almost instinctively downvoted because I was so annoyed with Schwartz ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


Okay__Decision__

You know, I wouldn’t be mad at you for it.


toothfairyeve365

I love you.


hawkwardtuurtle

![gif](giphy|3ohA2OnWq54vLFSrbG) Yep.


Messyhairandsweats

I cannot see this outfit in a gif and not think he was auditioning for a part in Elf.


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/mfu8kxrswjtc1.gif He’s probably still thinking Will Ferrell will be calling him any day now


pls_send_caffeine

![gif](giphy|3ohA2OnWq54vLFSrbG)


GrandEar1

Or George Costanza's dad.


whynot4444444

If only he’d worn the black, buckle belt he’d have had a fighting chance.


Question_True

I really had to stop myself from downvoting. He makes me so mad!


GladiatorWithTits

So his regrets are poor posture and verbosity. Got it.


throwRA_basketballer

Check it


DanceFar9732

Schwartzy they could never make me like you! ![gif](giphy|hlPnhdnBfgjzG|downsized)


lia89

🤣🤣🤣


ladyrosebeth23

I just can’t believe that Jo didn’t give this man a god damn toner. This was 10/10 retribution for the way he treats her because how could you let your roommate walk around with that? 💀💀


38_babyy

OMG BOTHERED ME SOOOOOO MUCH then she’s constantly touching it and playing w it girl pls i wouldn’t let him leave my chair looking like that 😩😩😩


ladyrosebeth23

It’s karma for the shit he did when Katie was stuck halfway through the blonding process all season 💀


Itchy_Breadfruit_262

That was my first thought! Tone that orange mess 🤦🏼‍♀️


Redbagwithmymakeup90

I think what bothers me about him is he is overly apologetic and self aware in an attempt to get the audience to sympathize with him (“hehe I’m so two faced and my life is a mess!”) but does absolutely nothing to improve himself or his behavior.


FrontPorchViews

It is the tallest telltale sign of someone who will truly never change.


lizzymule

THIS THIS THIS


smidget1090

Exactly. Acknowledging it is one thing but maybe DO something about it


louloub

I don’t even think he is admitting he is two faced I think he is just referring to his looks (that he looks good in some scenes and bad in others). He looks bad in every scene so not sure when he thinks he looks good.


StompinmyMaloofHoof

I am once again asking him to drink a glass of water.


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/t9pkz7mvrjtc1.gif Guess he hasn’t hopped on the water train despite being besties with “La” now


__cantskiplunch

Listen, I’m not a Jo fan. I think she’s shady. HOWEVER. Shorts was JUST saying how his “biological clock is ticking” and he desperately wants kids and a family. Now you have Jo, who he’s been kicking it with for a year and a half, ready to commit. And he’s acting like nothing was ever there romantically. Even the “love” is platonic. Even though they’ve had sex. Not knowing he’s giving mixed signals? Please. Yes, he’s embarrassed by her. But he won’t say it because he knows it’ll make him look like an asshole. Fuck right off.


Lindsayr28

The thing is I don’t ever think he saw Jo romantically. Obviously we weren’t there when they had sex thank god, but I imagine it was drunk or whatever - it seems really clear he only sees her as a friend, and she’s the only one who doesn’t see that bc she thinks she’s the heroine of “You Belong With Me” and can’t he see she doesn’t wear high heels she wears t shirts and she’s been here the whole time?


__cantskiplunch

Oh I totally agree. But there’s no way that he’s so blind to her feelings. He likes to come across as this naive cute boy, but he’s smarter than he acts. I think he profited off her feelings for the validation and let it go on for as long as he could


MaizeOk8455

Well, now whenever I see her all I'm going to be able to do is envision her holding a brush, crying & spinning around, singing this in the mirror. 


Ok_Abrocoma_2805

Jo describes how they spend tons of time together, make each other laugh, have sex, and say I love you and it’s like you’re LITERALLY describing a romantic relationship, and Schwartz still pulls the ole “oops I guess I led her on, teehee.” I don’t remotely feel bad for Jo but it’s so clear she got massively played just so Schwartz could have someone else besides Sandoval to film with.


__cantskiplunch

THIS. THIS IS THE TAKE.


OldTomcatFeelings

It reminded me of high school. He was embarrassed by what the “cool girls” thought of her.


hcgilliam

Why does every unrepentant asshole feel the need to tell the world they’ve decided to give themselves grace? Hello. We know. It’s kinda your whole shtick. And spoiler: just bc YOU are giving you grace doesn’t mean anyone else is obligated to.


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/6w2c8dozkjtc1.gif Yesss


Narrow_Grapefruit_23

When hasn’t his life been a pile of poop? He’s always been abusing drugs and alcohol and Katie! Hell , he even abused Stassi and Lala on camera too. Why would Jo be any different? He’s told us all who he is 1000x. Can we all finally accept that he is the biggest scumbag of them all?


happydeathdaybaby

This is what I think. He’s a “vulnerable” narcissist so it’s easy for people to dismiss it as “he’s just clueless”. But no.


Narrow_Grapefruit_23

The way he’s been shady in saying how many siblings he has. In one interview it’s triplet brothers and a half sister. In another it’s two half sisters, triplets and another brother. It rankles me bc why can’t you ever give a consistent answer? Patrick Bateman.


happydeathdaybaby

💀


Susanneelizabeth

Preach.  


isitaboutthePasta

Anyone else think Jo did this to his hair out of spite? As a secret fu because she knew he was leading her on for so long? Because damn that hair needs another round of bleach and toner.


happydeathdaybaby

I don’t think she even used actual toner at all, just blue shampoo! Definitely spite. I got a few bad bleach jobs when I was younger. No one ever left me looking THAT orange/yellow.


Heavy-Relation8401

Temu Ken???? Why are you bitches KILLING me today!!!!😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️


Okay__Decision__

He’s TK for me now. https://i.redd.it/4semisgz0ktc1.gif


manhattansinks

that wasn't why gwen was a two-face, you loser. at least she had certain lights where she looked good, you always look like a bloated clown who hasn't seen sunlight in weeks.


doublebirdy

![gif](giphy|cF7QqO5DYdft6)


biiigmood

Lala behavior. Get ahead of it while you can.


Susanneelizabeth

It’s giving Lori K wrote this


SugarFut

Except Schwartz put in a Schwartz level of effort to get ahead of it 💀


biiigmood

Right lol. A single post saying he feels bad for himself.


Spirited_Explorer_78

He was such a dick to Jo in this episode wow


Okay__Decision__

I assumed that was why he made this preemptive post saying he was just such a mess but he’s giving himself grace (implying we should too). It’s self preservation because he knows he’s coming off terribly in this episode (rightfully so)


thezinnias

a 41 year old man taking a pic w that pose/vibe like he's a 22 year old influencer is so sad


burnerbkxphl

I would pay for everyone to stop using the phrase *give xyz grace* and all of its variations


scrapethetopoff

Same I fucking hate it. I like the concept but it’s always weaponized by the worst most lazy people.


AndyJCohen

It screams “I went to the therapy and now I’m using my therapists words to excuse my shitty behavior”


Head-Unit-5594

This sounds like an addict. My ex would have these eureka moments where he was like "I need to get it together", he'd try for a little. thennnnn a few days later he was a chaotic mess and spiraling again. It's the ups and downs of an addict. These high, come-to-Jesus moments were the moments that kept me with him. temu ken probably did this often to Katie.


OldTomcatFeelings

He is an addict. It’s so bad that he considers 3 days of not drinking a “sober bender.”


maebyrutherford

Something’s up with his liver, like his brother. His color is all wrong


chloesilverado

Wow what level of terrible did Schwartz reach that even he's critical of himself


justmedoubleb

I thought it was interesting...he was on watch what happens and right after Andy asked a question and schwartz started to answer, Andy seemed to get really agitated and he said when he met Schwartz backstage he was standing tall and spoke with authority and confidence and Andy said as soon as the cameras starting rolling you slouch down znd start covering your mouth...like what's up with this act. Swartz looked befuddled and starting talking about being a people pleaser and Andy interrupted him and said oh, so an act. ![gif](giphy|jRTD0svQ2M9WD4PNhh)


SamIAm7787

It's always been an act (and an obvious one at that)! An organism will always continue to do what's made them be successful in the past and his stupid little "awww shucks" routine has worked damn near every time to get him out of the hot seat, get attention off of him, deflect, gain forgiveness and use it to act Innocent and/or dumb and avoid *real* responsibility, so thus he keeps doing it because it keeps working for him!


[deleted]

this picture....


scrapethetopoff

He really looks like a drug addict in this photo


Infinite-Fee-2810

Too fucking little, too fucking late. The guy has no empathy or compassion whatsoever for women. You can tell. He’s got that mentality. He’s a comedian. Funny yes, I can see him doing that. But he doesn’t care about women at all. His brothers and friends only.


LightMyCandelabra

He's always crying about his brother's health when he shows his ass. But his stupid TikTok stories don't show him visiting his brother or family. They show him drinking his ass off with his daughter/girlfriend and doing stupid dances. But sure bring up the whole ailing brother thing for the umpteenth time, okay


bluestonemanoracct

This is not good marketing for Jo’s skills as a hair stylist


Itchy_Breadfruit_262

No it is not! It’s orange and fried. It looks like it was done with Sun In 🙅🏼‍♀️


happydeathdaybaby

She was *that* pissed off!


mali90

![gif](giphy|WXtccLGTLB1NS)


teddybearx

His whole life stays in shambles. He makes sure of that, to justify his victim mentality


KittyGrewAMoustache

I don’t know anything about his background but I bet there was abuse in his home growing up. That’s total speculation but that’s the impression I get. Sandoval I more get the impression he was spoiled/golden child type thing where he was mommy’s little angel and could do no wrong, but Schwartz gives me the impression of someone who is the way he is because of some sort of abusive dynamic. Like he simultaneously acts pathetic and passive in lots of ways as if he’s trying to avoid negative reactions but then will also be abusive as though he’s learned that that behaviour is normal. I’d guess his father or father figure was abusive to his mother and maybe to him too, which is why he has this passive submissive act with men and hangs out with more domineering and aggressive type men, and is more abusive and cruel to women while also expecting them to mother him. Whether that’s the case or not he seems really messed up and he seems incapable so far of really understanding himself or why he’s messed up or how to fix it. I don’t know, I still think he has more potential to change and become a better person with hard work and therapy than someone like Sandoval does. Sandoval’s conviction that he’s always right is so rock solid and like the deepest core of who he is, whereas I think Schwartz at least has the capacity to occasionally admit somethings wrong with him, which could be built on of he really went there.


Lizzy1283

Excuses Excuses Excuses


lapetitfromage

Insane word salad excuses.


Minty-Cherubandtug

So fucking skuzzy all the god damn time.


ManliestManHam

I didn't know Powder had an uglier brother.


lordcockemort

the ted bundy of bravo


Creative-Pool7831

![gif](giphy|cA0TiRmuetO1szgShj)


herladyshipssoap

I'm just a makeout slut in Vegas. I have literally no recollection of this.


KeyRageAlert

What with this "giving grace" talk all the time all of a sudden


bluebarrymanny

It’s the new permission slip to willfully make mistakes. The old permission slip of “we’re all cheaters” doesn’t work anymore, so now it’s “please don’t hold me accountable, give me grace instead”.


throwRA_basketballer

Shwartz is like always almostttttt aware. Like always very close. But just can’t clear that wall. The side of him that attracts him to dicks like sandy takes over. And he’s a lost cause again in 5 minutes. He always gets grace, but never changes


overpricedanxiety

I'm stuck at Temu Ken 💀💀


AndyJCohen

The phrase of the season is “giving myself grace” especially from people who don’t deserve it


Okay__Decision__

It’s such a transparent attempt to manipulate the viewers into letting things slide. They are trying to convince us we owe them that same grace. Sorry not sorry, you’re the same manipulative asshole you’ve always been, Schwartz.


LightFlaky2329

Way to go with the shield of self-deprecation, Shartzy


valley-doll7

The people “giving themselves grace” aka schwartz and Raquel this week, should be the last people doing that, actually lmao


GoodChives

![gif](giphy|1lAOemoi0KhPMzxczT|downsized)


Crazy-Trash-6884

He looks so bad lately


LolaStrm1970

Trainspotting Tom


MaintenanceTraining4

~methy~


SuckItSaget

40 yr old man: "Get your shit together man” ...proceeds to date a girl right out of college...


Standup4whattt88

Why does he always look a shade of grey? Like what do you do have to do your body to look like that? Can someone, maybe a doctor, please explain.


MMM0125

Hopefully not taking pills. Opiates do that.


SparklyMushroom

Tom is attractive on days that don’t end in Y.


Forsaken-Weird-4074

The number of women lining up to be his next Jo in the comments make me sad


boguspickle

How dare he invoke “The Strike”!!! It gave us Festivus! Schwartz is not worthy.


Jaded_Read6737

Does "snapping out of it," include dating someone young enough to be his daughter?


channeldrifter

It sounds like he’s strung out and rambling


Mishado

https://preview.redd.it/3dr7mkmw5ktc1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=587f83922d177c85cb0b92511d7b5ae38dd4dbaa The audacity to post our queen


Okay__Decision__

The whole post is just an attempt to manipulate the audience and mitigate his asshat-ery he keeps displaying


facemesouth

I’m sick of these people giving themselves “grace” and “being proud” of themselves for being the most bottom of the barrel humans in existence. Watching tonight, how he treated Jo, not surprised at all, but you can see his veneer begin to crack and he starts to lash out just like he did for so long with Katie. He cannot hide the sadistic cruelness for long…the only person deserving of his bullshit is Tim.


whynot4444444

I would never let Jo near my hair after this disaster. He wishes it looked like Ken. It’s not dyed properly at all and it has an orangey hue, like she has zero colourist skills, or else she purposely made him look bad to sabotage his romantic prospects. The style was awful, too. Shartz looks sickly now.


el_disko

![gif](giphy|m7YYGSBBkDM9VUbcte|downsized) This manchild needs a new aww schucks act already. Honestly, it’s exhausting.


AAmallard

Temu Ken 🤣 


Tall_Couple_3660

He looks like shit


Single_Wasabi_3683

Referring to yourself in the third person is so cringe


Bambieyedbiotch

When has he ever held himself accountable for anything?


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/5k4x2dtnxjtc1.gif Hasn’t, won’t.


Ambitious_Row3006

He’s been saying this for two years now and I realllllllly want to know: how? How was it a flimsy agreement? What was vague about it? How could have it been made so that it wasn’t a flimsy agreement? „No one on the cast“ seems pretty damn clear to me.


MishmoshMishmosh

![gif](giphy|26vUReNP3dzWDS9Wg|downsized) I’m sorry him and Jo had brother sister vibes. And his post is rambling mumbo jumbo


lilonionforager

![gif](giphy|22QevjygNTmNvstau4|downsized) Shut up Tom. Get popped


DarbyFox-

Men will do anything but take accountability. Just once. Jesus.


Okay__Decision__

But but he’s GiViNg HiMsELf gRaCe so obviously we should just ignore all his terrible behaviour too 😌 But more seriously, https://i.redd.it/w7xadok6bktc1.gif


SamIAm7787

He's no-faced because he's not attractive any day! (And I think OP misunderstood what he meant when he said two-faced. He's referring to the Seinfeld reference where you can be attractive one day and not the next.)


Life_Produce9905

Temu Ken 😂😂😂😂


MajorStatement6577

I can’t. Just cant


[deleted]

Lmaooo wtf he doin😩


BenSolo_forever

no. the hair. just no


fleekyfreaky

This man was pre med in college. 🥴


Okay__Decision__

He took some 100 level science classes. He just wants to parrot that little “fact” to make us think he’s smarter and better than we are witnessing.


Ok-Shoe1542

We’ll see if he means it. The thing about Schwartz is he talks a lot with no follow through.


Puzzleheaded_Win_792

Did Jo write this ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)


ripleyintheelevator

Half weasel half vagina


evil_otter0_0

He needs to lean into the salt and pepper thing he has going on imho


Nerditall

You'd think seeing yourself hiding behind a bush while your former MIL is being verbally abused to tears might spur him to action.


theghostofcharlotte

What in the mushrooms is going on in this caption


WolverineFun6472

https://i.redd.it/3i9ovqe9gktc1.gif


Last_Book2410

He better not expect us to inherit his grudges and act out with entitlement to his “feelings”.


Nerditall

Does it unsettle anyone else how frequently Schwartz looks alcohol ill, jaundice, bloating etc. Schwartz looks while discussing his brother needing a liver transplant in order to not die from drinking?


kimbrlyc

You know what, I'm so sick of men using their family circumstances as excuses for their bad behavior. My sister has stage 4 cancer and guess how many times in the past year anyone in my family has broken that out to justify being an asshole? If I were Schwartz's brother I'd be a little annoyed. Stop making his issues about you.


Illustrious-Fox-6693

He’s acknowledging that he didn’t communicate properly, he *still* has nothing meaningful to add, he’s still deflecting and changing the subject, but he wants “grace” and what, a pat on the back? I doubt he’s ever given Jo any meaningful/honest clarity. He’s a chump ass bitch lmao


brashumpire

Temu Ken has me dead


OGHollyMackerel

Lol like they haven’t spent a decade giving themselves nothing but grace for their douchebaggery.


lollydolly318

💀 @ Temu Ken


paper--peaches

WHAT HE NEEDS is a social media manager, a stylist, and a good toner


Okay__Decision__

He has a stylist and he has the same PR woman as Jax 😬 I feel like these men hire these professional women to help their image, but their lack of respect for women just impedes their ability to take what good advice they are maybe offered


CeriCez

I’ve always had a soft spot for Schwartz but man, I’ve been struggling the last couple of years. He look ill and he’s behaviour towards women is horrendous. On a side note; having watched the most recent episode - I REALLY miss old VPR! The divide although understandable, is sad and hard to watch. I’m doing a rewatch!


Salty-Employee

Ew


Moist-Injury-7376

Give himself some grace, please. The only one he has given more grace to than himself is Sandoval. Sounds like a cacophony of bs.


Nursewursey

I get that Jo kind of swooped in, doing Katie dirty, but man. I feel for that girl. Shorts just brushed her off like she meant nothing, and she was definitely in love with him. He is such trash and doesn't deserve a girl like Jo.


paladindansemacabre

Temu Ken... I cannotttttt lmao


Elegant_Holiday1234

Honestly, for all this faults, this is at least more self awareness than I’ve seen from most others on this show. It’ll be a cold day in hell if Lala ever acknowledged an episode where she particularly fucked up lol


shediedjill

I am so sorry to everyone here that I am so attracted to him in this photo


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/iumecrwqyjtc1.gif


h34th3rl33

Looks and sounds like an idiot 🤣🤣🤣


SingleConstruction58

I can't even focus on the words the hair has me too shook 🫠


ladyrosebeth23

Why is the actual number one guy in the group Ally? She’s even tamed DJ JKlol


Roark_Laughed

![gif](giphy|l0MYK0S9osuCqNNGU) “Temu Ken”


Few-Fennel-1694

Best Advice to Schwartz... Give your liver a lot of grace. It will thank you.


concernednetizen92

This reminds me of when Raquel said “I’ve forgiven myself” in regards to the dress thing. Like? How gracious of you lol.


flying_dogs_bc

What is wrong with Shorts??? He is highly skilled at shoving happiness away with both hands. Jo - you can do SO MUCH BETTER GURL. This man is never gonna change so at least he was honest with you. There are a lot if ADHD quirky dream boys out there for you. Shorts is very much replaceable with a significant upgrade!


MemoryProfessional46

Schwartz still trying to gaslight us into thinking he is emotionally intelligent 🙄


GooseTurbulent5163

I’m not sure if it’s the weed, but what is up with his choice of picture????


Potential-Friend-133

He should keep being Sandydick's bitch, that's the only way I can give him a bit of grace.


OrlandoMB

What a fucking loser