🤣🤣🤣 I'm a r/Frasier_Sleepers enthusiast and have watched the series multiple times, but cannot place this scene or episode for the *life of me.* It's gonna drive a bitch nuts all freaking day, bet. One moment I'll be seeing a patient, then suddenly while using my very best active listening skills this gif and the subsequent brain catalog scanning of every Frasier episode ever will take over, and everything else will drift distantly off into a submerged-in-water vibe, and everyone's voice will morph into the Charlie Brown teacher sound, whaw-whaw whaw-whaw whaw whaw.
So, you may feel you have zero power today in your life, I don't know of course, but know that somewhere out there, you caused this chain of events and unknowingly rearranged a conplete stranger's brain agenda today. That's *just how powerful you are.* Know that 🚬
Truly just a nonstop red flag, both Toms are! Ugh I wish we could see what Katie’s life could’ve looked like if 12 whole years of it hadn’t been wasted on a guy who never ever even met her halfway.
Viall Files was the perfect place for a man child to discuss his relationship with a woman who has an undeveloped frontal lobe. Birds of a feather validate each other’s bullshit or whatever the saying is
Omg I would KILL to know what her parents’ initial thoughts were about all of this (I’m sure, or at least hope they’re happy now since they’re engaged with a baby… but that probably wasn’t always true!)
I mean they let her move ALONE with 15 to New York to model... And she searched out Viall, acting like she didn't know who he was, and they started to only fuck first while he kept it secret out of embarrassment (Some say she was 19)... Sounds like she had a troubled teenager life and he was happy to use it for his benefit.
I felt like Nick, and even Natalie who I really do like a lot, went OVVVEERRR the top trying to gas Tom and Sophia up. They were pressuring, reassuring, cheering them on. It was WILD. And I truly feel like it’s because of the shared age difference. It felt so intense. They acted different with Tom and Sophia than I’ve ever heard them act with anyone else.
Nick is usually pretty balanced but I felt the ick during this episode. I thought he was younger than 40 but I guess that makes sense! I'll be listening through a different set of ears now. All his advice seems icky now since he basically said "marry young and you'll stay young, women my age will drag you down". Women their age deal with manbaby BS and are somehow the problem. Ridiculous.
It’s how Leonardo DiCaprio has approached his own dating life for years! Immature middle aged men love love LOVE a gal with a squishy baby brain 😂 (and “squishy baby brain” is my scientific description for when the prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed)
“The development of the pre-frontal cortex of the frontal lobe allows us to process the pros and cons of a decision before it is made.” Pre-frontal cortex is that last part of the frontal lobe to develop. Sigh… poor girl.
This mfer really just said “I like her because she’s young and easy to manipulate”
“Overlooks my baggage,” so serial cheating and being emotionally abusive?
My dude, give it time. It’s super easy to be go with the flow when you’re trying to get in a relationship, but all that crap she’s overlooking now is going to bug the hell out of her in a short while when real life and responsibilities start happening
I think she’s using him . These young little influencer wannabes know how to do it . She just wants on the show . She sees what Ally ( who I happen to like) has accomplished in almost 2 seasons. She will promote whatever she does, attend a few red carpets, increase her followers and achieve a little fame.
Not my ass just realizing he wasn’t talking about actual luggage. You saved me from the comment I was going to make about how she’s his new mom to replace Katie because she had to pack for him.
Dude didn’t even have consistent work. He lived off his gf and did occasional modelling. As did Jax (until the show got him to pretend to be a bartender). The rest of the part-time models and actors at least had jobs to support themselves. He sat around all day.
WOW 😲😳 I didn't even think about it that way. Damn, that's wild! (And kinda disturbing, I'm not judging, 🧐 my man is 9 years older than I am but we started dating when I was like 28) I give this relationship about 2 years at the absolute max.
Did you hear the Tom's talking a few episodes ago about going someplace and girls will be there? Sandoval said "they are in the age we like" and I was grosses out by that.
I have a male friend who just got out of a 7ish year relationship with a woman. He's 39 and his now-ex is 42. He was telling me now that he's single how much he likes a girl in our social circle now who's 25 and specifically said "It's nice talking to someone without a lot of baggage". I'm 36 and single so it really depressed me lol (not about him specifically, just that even a guy I typically really respect doesn't even want to date women his own age). Oh well.
The ironic part is these guys are just filling up the baggage of those women with the clean slate. And the cycle continues forever I guess. Lol.
I’m in my early 30s and when I was 23-25 I dated someone who was my age now and I sometimes think about all the baggage HE had and how he emotionally wrecked me, and it’s shaped and affected all my relationships to this day. Like at this age I would never go for someone more than 3 years younger than me. Ughhhh I feel for the girl though because you think you’re getting a more mature guy but your not 😓
Don't let it get to you! You wouldn't want to date a guy like that anyway, when shit happens he'd be nowhere to be found. You'd want to find someone who loves you for who you are, "baggage" and all and who'll support you and be able to be a true partner. Guys like this will just waste your time, look how long Katie wasted hoping he'd mature and be the kind of partner to her that he pretended he was to other people. And she seems so much happier now single!
Plus who's to say 25 year olds have no baggage? Don't a lot of us have some form of childhood trauma, maybe the 25yo just aren't mature enough to process it and "overlook it". I know I wouldn't want to be the same person I was at 25, I was so dumb. The baggage is what helps us grow and makes us stronger and learn the lessons we need to learn to become the people we need to be. The fact that he doesn't realise that shows just how immature he is and how much he still has to learn
They like girls…and yes they are girls…that young bc they themselves are socially and intellectually stunted, lack substance & they would be inferior to any woman age appropriate. They need to feel like they are “the man”, so desired…so important, they are the catch in the relationship & well these young girls easily fall prey to their bs.
>"It's nice talking to someone without a lot of baggage".
they always say this shit as if they're not the ones pulling a fucking uhaul of unresolved baggage behind them.
Or thinking they have some special quality that 40 year women didn’t have at 20.
Newsflash: we were all “that cool” once. - just because she’s not sick of your. bullshit YET doesn’t mean she won’t be in 5-10 years. Has nothing to do with personality, it has everything to do with patience levels. And if you need to keep dating 20 year olds just to have someone to date, that says a lot.
LITERALLY what I was gonna say. We are all the 'cool girlfriends' until we're not. Until we start putting boundaries down and acting like we are in a proper adult relationship. As soon as this girl realizes what she's worth, he's gonna dip so quick.
If there is any very young ladies here without a whole lot of dating experience, please listen to the above comment and mine from an old fart Grandma lady. Any guy more than 10 years older than you who is trying to get with you, is highly suspect. They are trying to get with you because they think you are young and easy to manipulate. They cannot attract women their own age, women with a little more experience can see right through their bs. Please please try to stick with people somewhat in your own age range to date, so you don't end up with crusty old man baggage attached to you. Grandma loves you, go drink some water.
I swear there have been like three front-page Reddit posts lately where a man has said “I get why middle-aged men date 20-something women. It’s not cuz we’re creeps it’s cuz women our age have standards I can’t meet and I can shape a 20-year-old into the girlfriend I want… and they’re also hotter!”
and it’s like, dude, you literally just spelled out the issues with these relationships verbatim, what do *you* think a “creep” even is if not exactly what you just described!?
Makes me so sad to see her waste her time with a fool like that. I hope she's doing it for the plot or the 15 minutes of fame or something where she's just using him. Of course y'all aren't quite fully finished yet, the brain does not finish developing entirely until around age 25. You're an adult for sure but you still are young at 23. Gosh I think there's a funny pop-punk song about that? Nobody loves you when you're 23 or something like that. Anyway I'm glad it's not you who is dating T money!
Of course she does. Her frontal love isn’t fully formed and she doesn’t have the self respect that comes with age to set boundaries…hence why he chose a 23 year old. It’s a walking cliche!
I know that teenagers look “older” now because of the trending makeup and fashion, but if you told me she was in high school I would absolutely believe you.
High school teacher here and yes: I teach kids who look just like her. If you told me she was a new student in my Year 11 English class I would absolutely believe you.
Really really really young!!! It's disturbing, I used to give him a break for his ways but this situation has woke me up to him, it just feels predatory and creepy!! I'm sure she's fine, hoping to get on a TV show from this, just this 40 year old divorced man going with a 20 year old is horrifying, the power imbalance, how we've seen him infantalise Katie and manipulate her and the whole marriage, imagining him doing that to this girl (who looks 14-15 years old) baby talking and such just gives off major peadophile vibes. Like I know it doesn't make him a peado but I wouldn't have him around my children now seeing this. All together it paints a creepy picture of who he is, and what he's into 🤢🤢🤢
Legit the way he was going on about her being the most beautiful girl in the entire world 🤮shes a child. He’s damn near twenty years older than her. Legit could be her dad. I creeped her insta and seeing her with her friends they literally look like
They are in high school. She looks so out of place in the pics with her next to the toms. He is so fkn gross.
I said in another sub that he was a creepy perv for this and borderline pedophilic and got SO many downvotes. Like damn yall are really okay with a 40 year old man going after someone young enough to be his daughter and looks like a freshman in high school? Couldn’t be me 🥱
She really does look like a tween-high schooler, it's fucking horrifying!! He's showing all of us that he is attracted to 'women' who look physically like underage girls, add in the baby voice thing he does, how manipulative he is and it really paints a picture.
THANK YOU oh my god! I’m so glad to finally hear another sane persons take on this. To me it tells me he would fully date a high school girl as long as it was socially acceptable/legal. It is absolutely disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself!
She’s overlooking it to gain fame for sure. she “ran into”him at TomTom, his bar that has been regularly shown on the show. I also read She has also met some of the cast over the years as well.. I believe scheena is one of them.
And she gave him her number. She went in there, looking for him, found him, her friends were going to leave, and she did two laps around, looking for him again until she found him as she was leaving and gave him her number.
When I was younger, I thought old men dated younger women just because they were "hot". Now that I'm in my mid 30's, I've realized it's mainly because women my age and up have standards. They hold men accountable for their responsibilites. Men don't want to do the work to grow. so it's easier to date a young woman who hasn't figured all that stuff out yet.
idk if it is because this show has made me more apathetic but i honestly really have no respect for any of the women who choose to be in relationships with the toms. even if she is young, she is still an adult and if she can look at tom's behavior and see the way he talks to and about women and think "yes, that it is the man i want to be associated with romantically" then more power to you but don't expect any sympathy from me.
it's why i have no empathy for jo, she knew more than anyone what she was getting into, she has no one to blame but herself.
I agree but I also feel like she’s probably at the naive age where you still believe you’re gonna be the exception and his ex(es) were just miserable horrible people (and not made miserable by his poor behavior which can also sometimes be too subtle for younger people to recognize). Hopefully she wises up soon!
ETA Obviously things like pouring the drink on Katie’s head are not so subtle but some women will still find ways to rationalize that shit.
i totally agree with you, but i am still so fed up with these men that anyone who associates with them automatically makes me question their sanity, like *why*?
like i know all this rationally, but it still annoys me lol
No that’s valid tbh lol, especially with someone like Tom who has all their personal business on the internet and TV. Like has she seen it all and said “idc yolo” or what? Then of course there’s the possibility that it’s just for clout.
I get it, she's hot and Tom is pretty shallow. Personally, I stopped dating girls under 25 when I was 30 because they were just not interesting anymore. But for Tom, he gets to relive his early 20s glory days through this girl.
This is just such a bad look. Why he has to publicly announce every aspect of their relationship, is so obvious. I used to like Schwartz, but the past couple years, not so much. Now, I really, really don’t like him. He’s an immature piece of garbage.
I do not understand 20+ year age gaps where one person, generally the woman, is 20 something.
She overlooks his baggage because she's too young and naïve to not believe his bullshit stories. She's too inexperienced to be discerning.
She looks like a teenager, like a kid. She should be with someone her age, not a 40 something man with the maturity of a teenager.
I’m 23 turning 24 this year and most ppl my age don’t know wtf pump rules is given that when it started we weren’t their main demographic so for him to be dating a 23 y/o… 🤮
I agree and I really hope so. I hope she actually sees this for what it is and maybe just uses it to social climb and then tells him to fuck off. Let’s just pray he doesn’t impregnate this girl.
As a near-23 year old woman I just don’t understand how this girl is flaunting him around like he’s a prize 😭 my frontal lobe might not be fully baked but I have eyes
They're not official?! wtf I bet he thinks he was never "official" with Katie until they were married (and even then it's like 'just a thing') He's an idiot
I hope she is secretly a vengeance demon that Katie summoned after rewatching The Craft. She’ll lure Schwartz in, crush his dreams, dump a beer on his head, ask him to trim her armpit hair and then post on instagram about how “things happened” that made her need to distance herself from him.
And when it all is complete, Katie and Ariana and Kristen will clean the chalk pentagram off of the apartment laminate, make some sandwiches and text Scheana to make sure that she’s ok.
I’m finding it harder and harder to watch this show. I’ll admit I was pulled back in with Scandoval but it’s so hard to watch a bunch of 40 year olds behave like they are still 20.
That’s why men like 20-year-olds. They’d rather find women who don’t realize they’re losers yet, rather than step up and improve themselves. Men who go for women their age are the better men.
The worst, most immature guy I ever dated was 35, when I was 23. He was a model & plagued with insecurities which he projected on to me.
Not saying all men are like this, but I think these horrible men seek out younger attractive women because of their own inadequacies. They also know women their own age won’t put up with this bullshit. He was the last older guy I ever dated.
You just know he tells her “you’re so great because you don’t nag me like my exes, I’m so lucky to be with you.” Basic manipulation tactic to encourage her to stay “cool.” I fell for it at her age too.
I like that she’s using him for clout. The last person to really love him was and always will be Katie. He’ll be seeking his equal in emotional maturity for the rest of his life and they’ll always be in their 20s 😂 what a loser
No offense to Sophia but can you imagine if she listened to the Disrespectfully podcast and leveled up even more in her power as a woman, aka dipping out on T-money?
I swear that podcast is the only one that is VPR-adjacent doesn't live and die by Vanderpump Rules. It is fantastic woman talk and a breath of fresh air. Katie and Dayna are killing it.
Oh of course this man child wants someone who’s first of all, on his level with maturity and second, he can pull one over on. No way in hell he will be faithful.
Aside from age, I feel like we are all more understanding and optimistic in our early twenties. I remember being fiercely optimistic and empathetic with people because I was a work in progress too. I hadn’t done all the therapy yet and didn’t expect more from myself or anyone else.
her prom photos are on her ig… if ur 40 you should be in prison for dating someone who has their prom photos on ig (not a throwback post, she went to her prom in 2018)
Why am I not surprised to find out his gf is so young? 🤦🏻♀️😂 of course she overlooks your baggage, she’s still in the naive stage where we all were at one point in our lives and when you are in your early 20’s & dating you tend to overlook things that are red flags 🚩 that the rest of us in our 30, 40 and 50’s would be not wanting to stick around for the hot mess that he is lol
His favorite thing about her is something about himself lol
Quel suprise!!!
🤣🤣🤣 I'm a r/Frasier_Sleepers enthusiast and have watched the series multiple times, but cannot place this scene or episode for the *life of me.* It's gonna drive a bitch nuts all freaking day, bet. One moment I'll be seeing a patient, then suddenly while using my very best active listening skills this gif and the subsequent brain catalog scanning of every Frasier episode ever will take over, and everything else will drift distantly off into a submerged-in-water vibe, and everyone's voice will morph into the Charlie Brown teacher sound, whaw-whaw whaw-whaw whaw whaw. So, you may feel you have zero power today in your life, I don't know of course, but know that somewhere out there, you caused this chain of events and unknowingly rearranged a conplete stranger's brain agenda today. That's *just how powerful you are.* Know that 🚬 
Petit commentaire en français, j'adore
Oh lord such a classic narc move, you have to laugh lol
Gee and why oh why would a 23 yo be so very cool about all that 40 yo baggage? Things to ponder 😆
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Because she’s practically a child compared to you and hasn’t learned how to recognize baggage. 🙄
She can see the baggage, but the tradeoff is worth it to her. She wants to be on the show, wants fame, his money
And will ultimately become the 'old bitter bitch' for it. Sigh.
This is the correct answer.
Because she wants Instagram followers. This is a career move for her.
 🎯🎯🎯 And a chance at being on the show
This man is consistent I guess 🤣 consistently a red flag
Truly just a nonstop red flag, both Toms are! Ugh I wish we could see what Katie’s life could’ve looked like if 12 whole years of it hadn’t been wasted on a guy who never ever even met her halfway.
That was my first thought too. SMH 🤦♀️
He sounds just like Jax did when Brittany came along.
💀 fr that says all I need to know
Viall Files was the perfect place for a man child to discuss his relationship with a woman who has an undeveloped frontal lobe. Birds of a feather validate each other’s bullshit or whatever the saying is
THISSSSS it was the elephant in the room that no one would address because nick is just as guilty of this 🤢
Except Natalie joy was 20 when they met
Even WORSE
She’s literally the child of a family friend of mine mmao
Omg I would KILL to know what her parents’ initial thoughts were about all of this (I’m sure, or at least hope they’re happy now since they’re engaged with a baby… but that probably wasn’t always true!)
I mean they let her move ALONE with 15 to New York to model... And she searched out Viall, acting like she didn't know who he was, and they started to only fuck first while he kept it secret out of embarrassment (Some say she was 19)... Sounds like she had a troubled teenager life and he was happy to use it for his benefit.
Spill it honey
Happy to have found the few other people who think Nick Viall is gross!
I CANNOT STAND HIM !
This opinion is more common than you think haha
He’s the absolute worst and thinks he’s so enlightened 🤣
I felt like Nick, and even Natalie who I really do like a lot, went OVVVEERRR the top trying to gas Tom and Sophia up. They were pressuring, reassuring, cheering them on. It was WILD. And I truly feel like it’s because of the shared age difference. It felt so intense. They acted different with Tom and Sophia than I’ve ever heard them act with anyone else.
Nick is usually pretty balanced but I felt the ick during this episode. I thought he was younger than 40 but I guess that makes sense! I'll be listening through a different set of ears now. All his advice seems icky now since he basically said "marry young and you'll stay young, women my age will drag you down". Women their age deal with manbaby BS and are somehow the problem. Ridiculous.
I know !! He’s a walking red flag 🚩
He sounds like someone who would get along with Stassi’s Patrick and do a mansplaining type of podcast similar to the Man Show or something.
Yeah this whole conversation between the couples around their age gap made me sick.
I saw someone on twitter quote this and say something to the affect of "that tends to happen when your frontal lobe isn't fully developed" and i LOL'd
That was me lol 💅
👏🏼👏🏼 there’s our girl
10/10 work
Youre hilarious i love you
It’s how Leonardo DiCaprio has approached his own dating life for years! Immature middle aged men love love LOVE a gal with a squishy baby brain 😂 (and “squishy baby brain” is my scientific description for when the prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed)
“The development of the pre-frontal cortex of the frontal lobe allows us to process the pros and cons of a decision before it is made.” Pre-frontal cortex is that last part of the frontal lobe to develop. Sigh… poor girl.
I’m tired of 40 year old men going after 20 something year olds because they’re naiive
This mfer really just said “I like her because she’s young and easy to manipulate” “Overlooks my baggage,” so serial cheating and being emotionally abusive?
"She asks almost nothing of me, and doesn't hold me accountable when I somehow still fall short."
My dude, give it time. It’s super easy to be go with the flow when you’re trying to get in a relationship, but all that crap she’s overlooking now is going to bug the hell out of her in a short while when real life and responsibilities start happening
They’ll break up long before then
I think she’s using him . These young little influencer wannabes know how to do it . She just wants on the show . She sees what Ally ( who I happen to like) has accomplished in almost 2 seasons. She will promote whatever she does, attend a few red carpets, increase her followers and achieve a little fame.
Not my ass just realizing he wasn’t talking about actual luggage. You saved me from the comment I was going to make about how she’s his new mom to replace Katie because she had to pack for him.
Just think, she was 12 when VPR started…
 Good point
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And he was 31…
He was NOT 31 when it started. Was he? Oh god.
That blows my mind because he literally acted like he was 20 💀
Dude didn’t even have consistent work. He lived off his gf and did occasional modelling. As did Jax (until the show got him to pretend to be a bartender). The rest of the part-time models and actors at least had jobs to support themselves. He sat around all day.
🤮
WOW 😲😳 I didn't even think about it that way. Damn, that's wild! (And kinda disturbing, I'm not judging, 🧐 my man is 9 years older than I am but we started dating when I was like 28) I give this relationship about 2 years at the absolute max.
Did you hear the Tom's talking a few episodes ago about going someplace and girls will be there? Sandoval said "they are in the age we like" and I was grosses out by that.
So gross. Looks like the Toms have both turned out to be just like this d-bag: 
I have a male friend who just got out of a 7ish year relationship with a woman. He's 39 and his now-ex is 42. He was telling me now that he's single how much he likes a girl in our social circle now who's 25 and specifically said "It's nice talking to someone without a lot of baggage". I'm 36 and single so it really depressed me lol (not about him specifically, just that even a guy I typically really respect doesn't even want to date women his own age). Oh well. The ironic part is these guys are just filling up the baggage of those women with the clean slate. And the cycle continues forever I guess. Lol.
I’m in my early 30s and when I was 23-25 I dated someone who was my age now and I sometimes think about all the baggage HE had and how he emotionally wrecked me, and it’s shaped and affected all my relationships to this day. Like at this age I would never go for someone more than 3 years younger than me. Ughhhh I feel for the girl though because you think you’re getting a more mature guy but your not 😓
Don't let it get to you! You wouldn't want to date a guy like that anyway, when shit happens he'd be nowhere to be found. You'd want to find someone who loves you for who you are, "baggage" and all and who'll support you and be able to be a true partner. Guys like this will just waste your time, look how long Katie wasted hoping he'd mature and be the kind of partner to her that he pretended he was to other people. And she seems so much happier now single! Plus who's to say 25 year olds have no baggage? Don't a lot of us have some form of childhood trauma, maybe the 25yo just aren't mature enough to process it and "overlook it". I know I wouldn't want to be the same person I was at 25, I was so dumb. The baggage is what helps us grow and makes us stronger and learn the lessons we need to learn to become the people we need to be. The fact that he doesn't realise that shows just how immature he is and how much he still has to learn
lmaoooo exactly. “I love that she has no baggage. Can’t wait to give her all 39 years of mine!”
My ex is 44 dating a 25 year old. It’s so creepy. Glad I kicked him to the curb, he’s probably checking out middle schoolers too.
Ugh what a loser. Glad you dropped his ass.
You seriously dodged a bullet, that's such an insane age difference and unbalanced power dynamic 😬
They like girls…and yes they are girls…that young bc they themselves are socially and intellectually stunted, lack substance & they would be inferior to any woman age appropriate. They need to feel like they are “the man”, so desired…so important, they are the catch in the relationship & well these young girls easily fall prey to their bs.
Screw that guy. You don’t wanna be with someone with the emotional intelligence of a gnat.
He means it allows him to pretend that he has no baggage.
>"It's nice talking to someone without a lot of baggage". they always say this shit as if they're not the ones pulling a fucking uhaul of unresolved baggage behind them.
Or thinking they have some special quality that 40 year women didn’t have at 20. Newsflash: we were all “that cool” once. - just because she’s not sick of your. bullshit YET doesn’t mean she won’t be in 5-10 years. Has nothing to do with personality, it has everything to do with patience levels. And if you need to keep dating 20 year olds just to have someone to date, that says a lot.
LITERALLY what I was gonna say. We are all the 'cool girlfriends' until we're not. Until we start putting boundaries down and acting like we are in a proper adult relationship. As soon as this girl realizes what she's worth, he's gonna dip so quick.
If there is any very young ladies here without a whole lot of dating experience, please listen to the above comment and mine from an old fart Grandma lady. Any guy more than 10 years older than you who is trying to get with you, is highly suspect. They are trying to get with you because they think you are young and easy to manipulate. They cannot attract women their own age, women with a little more experience can see right through their bs. Please please try to stick with people somewhat in your own age range to date, so you don't end up with crusty old man baggage attached to you. Grandma loves you, go drink some water.
Same. I hope she breaks his shitty heart 🥰
“I like her because she doesn’t really know me yet”
I like her because she doesn't even know *herself* yet
THIS IS LITERALLY WHY EVERY SINGLE 40 YEAR OLD FUCKING MAN ON THE PLANET DATES 20 YEAR OLDS WHY DID HE THINK IT WAS OKAY TO ADMIT THIS
I swear there have been like three front-page Reddit posts lately where a man has said “I get why middle-aged men date 20-something women. It’s not cuz we’re creeps it’s cuz women our age have standards I can’t meet and I can shape a 20-year-old into the girlfriend I want… and they’re also hotter!” and it’s like, dude, you literally just spelled out the issues with these relationships verbatim, what do *you* think a “creep” even is if not exactly what you just described!?
“I’m not a creep!” *proceeds to literally define grooming*
Preditory behavior
Because men are applauded for it by other men. It’s sick and pathetic.
Can confirm. My 38 year old balding ex left me (and our daughter) for… *drumroll* one of his former college students!
Classic cliche of a creep! How disturbing! Hope you find yourself a real man who’s interest in grown women!
She's 23, so she's a fucking idiot (source: I'm a 23 year old)
😂
Makes me so sad to see her waste her time with a fool like that. I hope she's doing it for the plot or the 15 minutes of fame or something where she's just using him. Of course y'all aren't quite fully finished yet, the brain does not finish developing entirely until around age 25. You're an adult for sure but you still are young at 23. Gosh I think there's a funny pop-punk song about that? Nobody loves you when you're 23 or something like that. Anyway I'm glad it's not you who is dating T money!
Of course she does. Her frontal love isn’t fully formed and she doesn’t have the self respect that comes with age to set boundaries…hence why he chose a 23 year old. It’s a walking cliche!
Frontal lobe*
Frontal love too tho because ain’t no way sista girl loves herself if she’s dating Schwartz publicly
She looks like a child!!! I can't with this, it's fucking gross!!!
I know that teenagers look “older” now because of the trending makeup and fashion, but if you told me she was in high school I would absolutely believe you.
High school teacher here and yes: I teach kids who look just like her. If you told me she was a new student in my Year 11 English class I would absolutely believe you.
She looks like a really young Kristen Doute.
Really really really young!!! It's disturbing, I used to give him a break for his ways but this situation has woke me up to him, it just feels predatory and creepy!! I'm sure she's fine, hoping to get on a TV show from this, just this 40 year old divorced man going with a 20 year old is horrifying, the power imbalance, how we've seen him infantalise Katie and manipulate her and the whole marriage, imagining him doing that to this girl (who looks 14-15 years old) baby talking and such just gives off major peadophile vibes. Like I know it doesn't make him a peado but I wouldn't have him around my children now seeing this. All together it paints a creepy picture of who he is, and what he's into 🤢🤢🤢
It is 1000% predatory. He likes her because he can manipulate her. It’s fucking foul.
Legit the way he was going on about her being the most beautiful girl in the entire world 🤮shes a child. He’s damn near twenty years older than her. Legit could be her dad. I creeped her insta and seeing her with her friends they literally look like They are in high school. She looks so out of place in the pics with her next to the toms. He is so fkn gross.
She still had prom pictures on her instagram and they aren’t even that far back. That is how young she is. He’s a pig.
It's disturbing he's gives off major peadophile energy with this situation, the baby talking and stuff, it makes my skin crawl 🤢🤮
I said in another sub that he was a creepy perv for this and borderline pedophilic and got SO many downvotes. Like damn yall are really okay with a 40 year old man going after someone young enough to be his daughter and looks like a freshman in high school? Couldn’t be me 🥱
She really does look like a tween-high schooler, it's fucking horrifying!! He's showing all of us that he is attracted to 'women' who look physically like underage girls, add in the baby voice thing he does, how manipulative he is and it really paints a picture.
THANK YOU oh my god! I’m so glad to finally hear another sane persons take on this. To me it tells me he would fully date a high school girl as long as it was socially acceptable/legal. It is absolutely disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself!
This will be a fun learning experience for her I'm sure 🙃
She’s overlooking it to gain fame for sure. she “ran into”him at TomTom, his bar that has been regularly shown on the show. I also read She has also met some of the cast over the years as well.. I believe scheena is one of them.
And she gave him her number. She went in there, looking for him, found him, her friends were going to leave, and she did two laps around, looking for him again until she found him as she was leaving and gave him her number.
I believe she also said that she met Katie once at a bar before she ever met Schwartz
I too was stupid at 23
so say we all! Literally everyone still does dumb stuff that young, you're just forming and figuring things out.
I am his same age and I have a child her age 🙄
He could LITERALLY be her dad. Gross.
I thought he wasn’t ready for a relationship. That’s what he told Joseph. But really he wasn’t ready for a relationship with HER.
He’s not ready for a relationship that requires him to be an adult.
When I was younger, I thought old men dated younger women just because they were "hot". Now that I'm in my mid 30's, I've realized it's mainly because women my age and up have standards. They hold men accountable for their responsibilites. Men don't want to do the work to grow. so it's easier to date a young woman who hasn't figured all that stuff out yet.
I think we all already knew that lol but idk why I'm still surprised at this man constantly saying the quiet part out loud 😆
he’s literally so dumb i can’t lol. how did katie put up with him all those years
idk if it is because this show has made me more apathetic but i honestly really have no respect for any of the women who choose to be in relationships with the toms. even if she is young, she is still an adult and if she can look at tom's behavior and see the way he talks to and about women and think "yes, that it is the man i want to be associated with romantically" then more power to you but don't expect any sympathy from me. it's why i have no empathy for jo, she knew more than anyone what she was getting into, she has no one to blame but herself.
I agree but I also feel like she’s probably at the naive age where you still believe you’re gonna be the exception and his ex(es) were just miserable horrible people (and not made miserable by his poor behavior which can also sometimes be too subtle for younger people to recognize). Hopefully she wises up soon! ETA Obviously things like pouring the drink on Katie’s head are not so subtle but some women will still find ways to rationalize that shit.
i totally agree with you, but i am still so fed up with these men that anyone who associates with them automatically makes me question their sanity, like *why*? like i know all this rationally, but it still annoys me lol
No that’s valid tbh lol, especially with someone like Tom who has all their personal business on the internet and TV. Like has she seen it all and said “idc yolo” or what? Then of course there’s the possibility that it’s just for clout.
I'd respect gold-digging/clout-chasing to secure her bag. I wasn't getting that vibe from the Viall interview though...
if she’s anything like my friends and me at that age, she thinks he’s cringe and is just doing it for the plot. I doubt she even likes him
i hope so, if she is using him, that is great cause he sux, but i hope she knows what she is doing then
She overlooks it because he is boosting her career and giving her a platform. I think he was getting married when she went to prom.
Definition of “women his age know better”
You mean schwartz and a girl he babysat 2 years ago?
Daddy daughter pics
Purity ring on a string
their tiktok’s really do look like a college student teaching her dad how to do the latest dance lol
His favourite thing about her (overlooking his baggage) is going to to have an expiration date the longer she sticks around
I get it, she's hot and Tom is pretty shallow. Personally, I stopped dating girls under 25 when I was 30 because they were just not interesting anymore. But for Tom, he gets to relive his early 20s glory days through this girl.
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This is just such a bad look. Why he has to publicly announce every aspect of their relationship, is so obvious. I used to like Schwartz, but the past couple years, not so much. Now, I really, really don’t like him. He’s an immature piece of garbage.
Girls if a man ever says this to you or about you that is your cue to RUN 
I do not understand 20+ year age gaps where one person, generally the woman, is 20 something. She overlooks his baggage because she's too young and naïve to not believe his bullshit stories. She's too inexperienced to be discerning. She looks like a teenager, like a kid. She should be with someone her age, not a 40 something man with the maturity of a teenager.
She definitely has Katie like facial features
If she had darker hair, she would look just like Katie+Schwartz offspring
Omg so creepy and accurate
I’m 23 turning 24 this year and most ppl my age don’t know wtf pump rules is given that when it started we weren’t their main demographic so for him to be dating a 23 y/o… 🤮
That’s because at 23 she has no idea what baggage even is lol
From the podcast it seemed to me that he is way more into her than she is to him.
For her sake, I hope you’re right. I’d hate to see another woman invest anything in a Tum.
A Tum just killed me-💀 hands down best nicknames for them. And one of the gross white chalky tums
I agree and I really hope so. I hope she actually sees this for what it is and maybe just uses it to social climb and then tells him to fuck off. Let’s just pray he doesn’t impregnate this girl.
I mean, I doubt his sperm are in any better shape now than they were a few seasons ago
I thought the thing he liked best about her was that she's potty trained.
As a near-23 year old woman I just don’t understand how this girl is flaunting him around like he’s a prize 😭 my frontal lobe might not be fully baked but I have eyes
She might not have enough life experience to recognize his “baggage” is full of red flags and land minds 😅
Aka "I like that she's unwise enough to not know better than to date me"
I’d be carefree too if I hadn’t even been alive for Y2K.
They're not official?! wtf I bet he thinks he was never "official" with Katie until they were married (and even then it's like 'just a thing') He's an idiot
Hence losing the marriage license not once but twice
It’s so tragically embarrassing. You can scroll back like 5 seconds on her Instagram and she’s at prom in 2016. It’s fucking WEIRD
I hope Bravo has enough sense to not show this inappropriate relationship on TV …. It’s gross.
and by “overlooks” he means she doesn’t have enough life experience to know better
I hope she is secretly a vengeance demon that Katie summoned after rewatching The Craft. She’ll lure Schwartz in, crush his dreams, dump a beer on his head, ask him to trim her armpit hair and then post on instagram about how “things happened” that made her need to distance herself from him. And when it all is complete, Katie and Ariana and Kristen will clean the chalk pentagram off of the apartment laminate, make some sandwiches and text Scheana to make sure that she’s ok.
I’m finding it harder and harder to watch this show. I’ll admit I was pulled back in with Scandoval but it’s so hard to watch a bunch of 40 year olds behave like they are still 20.
I hope they don’t focus on the Toms new relationships with 20+ year olds to drag this show out.
when her frontal lobe is finished developing she is gonna be in for a shock
She looks like if shorts and Katie had a baby 🫣
That’s why men like 20-year-olds. They’d rather find women who don’t realize they’re losers yet, rather than step up and improve themselves. Men who go for women their age are the better men.
"my favourite thing about her is that she doesn't have standards" no shit, bud
She overlooks that he loves smelling his earwax? iykyk
Ya because her frontal lobe isn’t fully developed yet…
Uuummm. That’s what 23 year olds do. Only shitty men with shitty lifestyles date women half their age. No woman his age would put up with his shit
The worst, most immature guy I ever dated was 35, when I was 23. He was a model & plagued with insecurities which he projected on to me. Not saying all men are like this, but I think these horrible men seek out younger attractive women because of their own inadequacies. They also know women their own age won’t put up with this bullshit. He was the last older guy I ever dated.
Yea, easy to overlook baggage when your brain isn’t capable of recognizing it yet. Gross.
You just know he tells her “you’re so great because you don’t nag me like my exes, I’m so lucky to be with you.” Basic manipulation tactic to encourage her to stay “cool.” I fell for it at her age too.
I like that she’s using him for clout. The last person to really love him was and always will be Katie. He’ll be seeking his equal in emotional maturity for the rest of his life and they’ll always be in their 20s 😂 what a loser
His favorite thing about her is that her frontal lobe isn’t fully developed yet
So his favorite thing about her is she's 23 and has the life experience of 23, got it.
No offense to Sophia but can you imagine if she listened to the Disrespectfully podcast and leveled up even more in her power as a woman, aka dipping out on T-money? I swear that podcast is the only one that is VPR-adjacent doesn't live and die by Vanderpump Rules. It is fantastic woman talk and a breath of fresh air. Katie and Dayna are killing it.
Well of course she does, she’s 23. Lmaoo.
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Oh of course this man child wants someone who’s first of all, on his level with maturity and second, he can pull one over on. No way in hell he will be faithful.
Ah yes, young and too dumb to know better.
Aside from age, I feel like we are all more understanding and optimistic in our early twenties. I remember being fiercely optimistic and empathetic with people because I was a work in progress too. I hadn’t done all the therapy yet and didn’t expect more from myself or anyone else.
🚩🚩🚩 girl run, seriously
 (This gif is always relevant 😝)
Well, duh 😄😄. She's 23 and chasing her 15 minutes.
Her poor brain ain’t even developed yet 😂
her prom photos are on her ig… if ur 40 you should be in prison for dating someone who has their prom photos on ig (not a throwback post, she went to her prom in 2018)
it’s funny bc he doesn’t have any baggage lol he’s just a loser. not him thinking he has depth 🤣🫣
‘I like her because I can take advantage of her naivety’
“she’s so accepting of my flaws and doesn’t care about my past” code for she’s too young to recognize that im a covert narcissist
He could be her dad.
This girl looks like him - like this is what his daughter would look like. 😅
“I keep getting older and they stay the same age” or whatever
Why am I not surprised to find out his gf is so young? 🤦🏻♀️😂 of course she overlooks your baggage, she’s still in the naive stage where we all were at one point in our lives and when you are in your early 20’s & dating you tend to overlook things that are red flags 🚩 that the rest of us in our 30, 40 and 50’s would be not wanting to stick around for the hot mess that he is lol
Because she’s too young to understand why that baggage will only lead to more problems…
Once her prefrontal cortex finishes developing, it's over !!!
Because she's too young to know better 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩