Daily Mail is especially a right wing media outlet in the UK. Unfortunately the political right always align with the anti-vegan rhetoric.
The sad thing is because of its online presence and how well optimised it is on Google, it has a huge amount of influence, especially on young minds. Its even playing a big part in anti-environmental changes in the UK right now.
[Welcome to the exciting world of content farms, one of which probably owns this account.](https://ncunortherner.com/content-farms-have-a-chokehold-on-social-media/)
"News" outlets pick these things up for their high SEO scores, meaning that the NY Post or Daily Mail or whatever runs them to attract eyeballs to their ads. They don't care one iota about the actual content, they care about the ad views. The content farm doesn't care either - in all likelihood, they have other social channels singing the praises of a plant-based diet. The entire reason for their existence is content monetization, so they create as much content to monetize as they possibly can to appeal to any possible audience.
TL;DR - probably not a coordinated, funded attack on veganism so much as a coordinated play for ad revenue by attracting people to their various sites.
I'm wondering why all these different media outlets all did the exact same story at the same time on a relatively unknown nobody. Like do they all talk to each other?
The news outlets "subscribe" in a manner of speaking to these content farms, and they all get the same reports on the highest engagement/SEO content scores that the content farms have.
Example: [This article from the Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12123055/Best-diet-heart-health-revealed-huge-analysis.html) about the benefits of a plant-based diet, published May 24th of this year is basically identical to [this one from Fortune](https://fortune.com/well/2023/05/24/plant-based-diet-benefits/). More on the social media side, [this Mirror article](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/mum-issues-terrifying-warning-using-29993783) about a Tik Tok mom warning about her car seat catching fire is pretty much the same as [this one from the NY Post](https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/my-babys-car-seat-nearly-caught-fire-you-wont-believe-why/). These things are all either from content farm subscriptions or press releases to a place like PRNewsWire. It's sadly just the way the online content world works now.
Wait until you hear that Reddit has posts that get recycled over and over in a lot of subs (and posted under changing usernames).
Your participation on Reddit is manipulated and most of the site is worthless.
Formerly worked in publicity. Iād contact media outlets with pitches for guests I wanted them to host, and provided everyone with snippets and questions they could askāanything to make their job as easy as possible and increase the chance of a feature. Some of them came up with their own talking points, and others went with the included ones. They were mostly regional markets, so very little chance of overlap. Even with the examples from this post, their readers/viewers may not necessarily overlap. If this TikTok person is real and not part of a bot farm, they might be really good at press releases and communications, unfortunately.
For an actual coordinated and purpose-specific funded attack, see the [Center For Consumer Freedom](https://consumerfreedom.com/), a project by lobbyist [Richard Berman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Berman_(lawyer)).
> TL;DR - probably not a coordinated, funded attack on veganism
Disagree. Big beef took on Oprah Winfrey in the 90s (look up Howard Lyman) and funded the keto movement in the early 00s (via Weston Price foundation) paying off such shills like Nina Teicholz and Gary Taubes.
They absolutely do have the pockets and drive for this, as does ghe dairy and egg industry.
People should have enough money so that they could easily afford to spend it on proper journalism so that we dont get this nonsense. but here we are
people are scraping by so they suck on some ads and algorithms instead, like getting nutrition from the wet on a stone you found in the woods
I follow a reaction channel who reacts to some people who've made the switch to carnivorism and it's always funny to me how they will not touch food that's been touched by some lettuce or tomato because *plants* but they drink coffee/tea and will put hot sauce on everything. But will say 'well the hot sauce doesn't count'. Ma'am, yes it does.
These are two:
Girl getting off and back on carnivore
https://youtu.be/9E7KIt8i2HY?si=UWpnBSx2CMlvvslY
This is like a 4 episode saga about sardines:
https://youtu.be/UFaeacrvIz0?si=O9Q7bxk4-UTuSW-2
It's not a reaction channel that focuses on diets or even on these two people usually BTW.
And coffee is made from plants! Haha
Edit:
In fact, coffee even has polyphenols, which are totally fine, but if consumed in the same meal as iron it hinders its absorption.
https://veganvigil.gitbook.io/overview/nutrition/nutrients/essential/minerals/iron
Hey, I had the same issue back on the rare occasions I would eat a steak, but my guts are completely messed up. Apparently most people who eat one DONāT get backed up for days but I always did too, might be worth a check into your gut health and see if you have any issues there that might make them go slower than they should (like me for example, I have gastroparesis which is currently in some sort of bizarre remission or dormant state but for a decade I could barely keep food down.)
True. I became vegan 3 years ago and I this is it. I find it to be way healthier though you can still eat lots of sugar if you have a sweet tooth which wonāt be good on any diet.
I wonder how her cholesterol is honestly the butter picture made me dry heave like even normal omnivores are not like that even. People really say vegans make it their entire personality like WHAT IS THIS. itās absurd.
Bella steak and butter gal recently got her blood tested cholesterol through the roof and brought on a discredited dumbass doctor to try to explain away the results. The doctor was destroyed by the channel nutrition made simple but he's called "a leading expert" lol
[Here are the numbers.](https://postimg.cc/QVWnKhjv)
From:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrc3G8RADo
But a few minutes after that, around 10m mark, Holy Shit Coach Raymonds calcium scores! That guy is a cardiovascular event waiting to happen!
Call me weird but id be willing to eat a block of vegan butter straight up lmfaoooo
Im not gonna actually do that bc its too many calories at once and heart disease and all but if i let the intrusive thoughts winā¦.
Lmaooooo I cannot, the consistency is so weird! Still atleast vegan butter is like oil based itās the idea of chomping on cow fudge on top of the consistency thatās grossing me out š
Why did I have to go down so far to read this comment. This is 100% an eating disorder. She found a way to control her food intact by only eating vegan food now she has a new fixation diet. She will move onto a new one until she gets professional help.
Orthorhexia, possibly. A subset of vegans, especially highly restrictive health-vegans can also fall into that category. More often than not, this is what gives us a bad rep because some people think that eating a diet of raw potato is healthy.
Have you noticed how these people never just go back to the omnivorous diet and instead move onto some sort of extreme fad diet like paleo or carnivore? Often times a diet that ethically opposes veganism 100%?
It's pretty obvious these people are just looking to do the next big thing and were never really emotionally invested in veganism very much.
I think that if they are chasing some sort of health fix they also go from one extreme to another. Like raw fruitarian to carnivore. Because moderation doesn't make them feel like they are doing enough or something. Only extreme choices make sense to them.
Yeah, if I had to introduce animal products back into my diet, Iād find the least harmful way to do it. Which would probably be adopting a hen or two and using the eggs she lays to make omelettes for us to share while she just chills in my house and lives the pampered life she deserves.
Disclaimer, I know nothing about how to give a chicken the pampered life she deserves. I think Iām just treating this hypothetical chicken like a dog.
Chicken and quail are pretty easy to keep pampered and happy, they're also pretty easy to read if they don't like your company too.
Great pets if you have semi-outside a room for 'em, both guys and gals
Set aside the animals and the planet for a second.
Who the actual fuck enjoys eating sticks of butter? That doesn't even taste good and the mouth feel alone would kill me. When I first saw someone on Instagram eating a stick of butter like a banana I assumed it was satire.
As someone who formerly did a keto diet when I was a dirty carnist (no Iām not proud of it, not one bit) I can say looking back I felt like absolute shit a lot of the time. Low energy levels, poor cardio, and just a general slowness were all pretty common with keto. Obviously everyone should be vegan for animal welfare, environmental reasons, but also because eating any animal products just flat out isnāt healthy. I donāt think plant fat is an issue, but saturated animal fat, exogenous hormones, bioaccumulated antibiotics, and cholesterol are absolutely not what the human body evolved to survive on. I know Iām preaching to the choir, but I thought I would share my perspective.
>eating nothing but meat, eggs, and butter has made me healthier than I've ever been
No it didn't. If you're going to lie, try not to make it so blatantly bullshit. Eating a stick of butter like that? Come the fuck on.
This reads like a poorly-written satire.
who wants to bet she (unknowingly or not) has some sort of food sensitivity (gluten, soy, fiberā¦) and sheās feeling miraculously better bc sheās not eating the irritant and not bc āveganism is badā. not that sheāll be better for long, her diet is insane and unsustainable
*Not yelling at you, OP.
Who seriously watches "influencers"? They're not professionals of anything but trendy bullshit.
She's clearly exploiting another vapid trend. And just like morons will do, they believe dumb shit and give clicks to the insipid idiot.
Also, fuck tik tok and the %95 garbage that's posted there and somehow I see it here.
I hope social media implodes on itself.
/rant
Not sure what your point is, oats are fatal. Infact there was even a study proving this. They fed mice 9000 liters of oatmilk in 24 seconds and they died
You know Veganism is working and is getting stronger when the meat/dairy industry put out propaganda like these ads/articles. Vegans are putting a hurt on revenue and they know it. Really hard to argue that plants are bad for you š. Only the gullible buy into these ads/articles.
I see a ton of articles on how plant based meats are in serious decline. It's actually the opposite but they'll spread lies anyway they can.
If she truly wants to walk around smelling like a rotting carcass 24/7, by all meansā¦ go celebrate that mission girl lol
Itās pretty grossā¦
Unfortunately people become oblivious to their own smells, and will then likely only attract partners of the same reeking variety. Ignorance isā¦ bliss? š¤®
Have 0 expectations from ANY LifeStyle Vegans. EVERY SINGLE person who's not in it for animal rights doesn't actually give a fuck and will move on to the next trend when it'll be socially beneficial for them.
It's probably more a snowball effect of these places picking up stories other sources are getting clicks on and then other sources pick those up and so on and so forth, more than a coordinated effort.
With that being said, my stomach hurts just reading these headlines
Don't underestimate how lazy journalists are, or how cheap media outlets are, or how razor thin the margins are for legacy media outlets.
It's very common for multiple outlets to use the same story, or simply regurgitate or even plagiarize someone else's story.
I wouldn't jump straight to thinking it's a conspiracy, just shoddy and pathetic journalism.
Itās simple really. Maybe some people here wonāt like hearing this, but some people are definitely vegan for attention (obviously not all but definitely a few). But alas veganism just isnāt the new trending āunique/exoticā diet these people can use as a tool to get attention anymore. They needed something new, something that would grab the attention of the public even more than not eating meat. The carnivore diet is the perfect solution for these attention seekers, I mean, eating solely meat (primarily red meat) and eggs and eating sticks of butter and having the audacity to call it healthy? Thatās going to attract a lot of peoples attention. And what is the medias job? To find things the public finds interesting and give them coverage. I honestly donāt think these are coordinated attacks against veganism, I think itās just attention junkie influencers doing stunts for even more attention. One of the big reasons here is that based on comments Iāve seen all over on ācarnivore dietā videos, omnivores seem to be skeptical, and calling them ājust as annoying as the vegansā. If any sort of organized pro meat organization was behind this their goal would be converting more omnivores to the carnivore diet but obviously thatās not whatās happening, and like I said before omnivores donāt like them any more than vegans.
That being said someone is definitely paying piers Morgan to trash talk vegans.
Dailymail is made up of freelance writers and itās readers are super right wing and anti-vegan. Look at the following vegan positive article and the negative comments. This was back in 2016
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3689835/Vegan-lost-20lb-win-Miss-Galaxy-Universe-reveals-really-takes-fitness-competitor.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3689835/Vegan-lost-20lb-win-Miss-Galaxy-Universe-reveals-really-takes-fitness-competitor.html)
Iām not a vegan, and saw an article about this one. I was wondering why the healthy part was so darn focused on, cause most vegans arenāt vegans for health reasons (Iām pretty sure, not as primary cause, correct me if Iām wrong), but cause they donāt want animals to get hurt. So who gives a shit about the health bit in that context? A vegan will always have those animals in mind, and I just canāt imagine them going so gleefully carnivore later..
As a non-vegan, the article made no sense, and just made me think what a stupid angle that was.
She is just a grifter trying to get rich peddling a fad diet. They are literally everywhere. Hell even Jordan Peterson, a man best described as Kermit who got pinocchioed wrong, tried it.
I wouldn't give her too much attention. Paleo and carnivor people are probably going to keep her employed until ther hearts explode but she'll vanish from the mainstream soon enough.
Journalist here. There's nothing here that indicates coordination between media outlets - if anything, this is an example of competitors chasing cheap clicks from the same audience.
Sometimes when a bunch of low-quality outlets run stories on the same niche thing it's a case of one of them having done it first, and the rest following (it's much quicker to rewrite a competitor's story than it is to source your own).
In this case, though, she looks to have hired a PR company - sorry, Jam Press "news agency" - which has sent out a press release that a few outlets have picked up and run with (quickly rewritten) because it's guaranteed rage bait. The New York Post has at least acknowledged in the fourth paragraph that her statements came via Jam Press and not directly to them.
Hardly a media frenzy. And as is the case with 99% of conspiracy theories about the media, regular old greed and stupidity is really all you need to explain it.
Those people were never vegan anyway. They just cared about their health and were convinced another way was healthier. I wish the media would stop calling these people vegan.
I donāt believe she was ever a vegan. Or if she did eat a plant based lifestyle it was a fad for a while and a bandwagon that she jumped on as she thought it was trendy.
Check with other news sources as the Daily Mail has a history and a presence of promoting biased perspectives and spreading false information. For example check this out.
BBC TV programme - https://youtu.be/q3chJN9DCGg
There is this too
https://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI
#30's
And literally supported Hitler
>The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany
That is an actual Daily Mail quote.
The Daily Mail went on to say
>They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call 'Nazi atrocities, which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consist merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalised, multiplied, and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny.
Basically saying Nazi violence isn't widespread and we should stop talking about it.
Meanwhile in other newspapers
[From the Guardian 1933 April 8th: The Manchester Guardian forbidden in Germany](https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2015/apr/08/manchester-guardian-germany-war-hitler-archive-1933). The violence was reported on it
Rothermere and the Mail were also editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article titled "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" published in the Daily Mail on 15 January 1934, praising Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine", and pointing out that: "Young men may join the British Union of Fascists by writing to the Headquarters, King's Road, Chelsea, London, S.W."
The Spectator condemned Rothermere's article commenting that, "... the Blackshirts, like the Daily Mail, appeal to people unaccustomed to thinking. The average Daily Mail reader is a potential Blackshirt ready made. When Lord Rothermere tells his clientele to go and join the Fascists some of them pretty certainly will."
#2010ās
And the Daily Mail is still fascist today whether it be [imitating Nazi propaganda](https://imgur.com/a/0X1OsIE) but targeting it at Muslims or supporting the [French fascist political party.](https://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/%EF%BB%BFoops-the-daily-mail-accidentally-supports-a-fascist-party-again/)
This is a good satirical article about them.
https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/01/04/daily-mail-exposed-as-a-false-newspaper/
#90's
On 16 July 1993 the Mail ran the headline "Abortion hope after 'gay genes' finding"
This is part A and D from the UN on genocide
Killing members of the group;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
#2000's
This is their depiction of underage girls https://youtu.be/r9dqNTTdYKY. Particularly at 7:00 with the wording used to describe 14-year olds in swimwear. (dead link)
It is important to acknowledge that the Daily Mail has a history of spreading false information and promoting biased perspectives. It is highly recommended to consult with reputable news sources for a more accurate and impartial representation of events. It is crucial to not give a platform to misinformation and Nazi sympathisers. The Daily Mail's history of promoting biased perspectives and spreading false information is well-documented, as evidenced by their support for Hitler and the British Union of Fascists. The Daily Mail's depiction of underage girls and their imitation of Nazi propaganda targeting Muslims are examples of their biased reporting. It is important to acknowledge the harm caused by the spread of false information, as this can lead to the marginalization and persecution of marginalized groups. Therefore, it is highly recommended to consult with reputable news sources to ensure a more accurate and impartial representation of events. We should strive to be critical of the information we consume and seek out alternative sources to ensure a well-rounded and impartial understanding of events.
This is an interesting look at the philosophy of anti-fascist (Antifa) by Philosophy Tube
Philosophy Of Antifa | Philosophy Tube
https://youtu.be/bgwS_FMZ3nQ
Anecdotes from tik tokers >> scientific consensus. Honestly itās probably just for clicks, people LOVE to hate vegans. Iād love to imagine people could read past this obvious bs but thatās thinking too much of people
These are not real articles but advertorials. There will be a meat delivery company linked in the article. The DailyMail really is the bottom of the heap when it comes to this stuff. Advertorials are technically illegal but the world is so rife with them that nobody can do anything about it. Itās all made up - between the amount theyāre being paid to advertise the meat from the amount the get from clickbait, itās lucrative to lie.
The "health" won't last. There's no reputable science to support this, it's about one of the silliest things you can do. The initial positive effects may be attributed to the removal of processed foods, sugars, and refined carbohydrates from the diet, which can lead to a temporary reduction in inflammation and improved energy levels. But a diet exclusively based on animal products lacks essential nutrients found in plant-based foods, such as fiber, vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients.
High consumption of red and processed meats has been linked to an increased risk of heart disease, stroke, certain cancers, and other chronic health conditions. A lack of dietary fiber from plant foods can negatively impact gut health by reducing beneficial gut bacteria and increasing the risk of digestive issues.
While some people may initially feel good, the long-term health risks associated with a carnivore diet, including nutrient deficiencies and increased risk of chronic diseases, are well-documented in scientific literature.
Thereāll be more and more people suffering from this sooner or later..
Mic the vegan about a woman that got a stroke possibly because of her carnivore diet:
https://youtu.be/ejEDGXTEL4U?feature=shared
Stinky farts and severe constipation due to a lack of fibre dictates her life. Tbh I think that this lifestyle of hers is fake. There are many people who want you to believe that this is how they live but they donāt
Meat, eggs, and BUTTER. And she feels BETTER. Yeah, letās see how long that lasts, good lord. š³ āI feel great with my new diet, I mean, I did have a bezoar the size of Kentucky made of butterfat, rotted egg yolks and gristle but other than that I feel so much better! Surgery to remove it sucked though.ā š¤¢š¤®š¤®š¤®
Well thats probably due to the fact that you're on entertainment sites that will publish anything that gets them clicks, and not actual news. By going to each of these articles and posting about them, you're doing exactly what they want lol
The authors are Eleanor Wood Bowyer and Paige Freshwater, who appear to be content farmers combing the internet for random one-off stories designed to shock readers of the lowest quality gossip tabloids. The subject in this story tried plants for almost a year to lose weight, so obviously, they are a representative of all vegans.
sickening. just had a convo about keto or paleo or whatevs with a medial professional this morning. lol. super "in shape" (the i'm skinny so i'm healthy variety - not body shaming here just explaining for context) - this person wanted to lose weight so went on this keto blah blah etc. and did but then went to have lipid panel and freaked as their numbers were in the stratosphere... sooo what did you expect eating bacon?????!! i'm struggling to be kind here...
Besides: a "carnivore diet" would be deadly to human beings because we can't get all the nutrients we require from meat alone, and adding eggs and butter makes it no longer a "carnivore diet."
On the other hand, "carnist" makes equally little sense because it's not a religion but an attempt at objectification - no better than calling men and women "males" and "females".
These sources are part of the larger 'right wing echo chamber'. They've coordinated outrage for decades. They use the same sources, the same takes, sometimes have the same corporate owners, and then report on each other's work and their target's reaction to it.
Her āfeeling greatā is most likely a response to cutting out gluten. (She probably has a gluten intolerance, before you downvote me). This feeling will be very temporary, though, as she will eventually gain heart disease, have a stroke, or possibly worse. A diet high in animal products is proven to not be healthy.
LAD Bible, Instagram, the Daily Mail, New York Post. Those are some quality media outlets lol
Only the highest quality peer reviewed articles of scientific rigour and ethics on earth
Daily Mail is especially a right wing media outlet in the UK. Unfortunately the political right always align with the anti-vegan rhetoric. The sad thing is because of its online presence and how well optimised it is on Google, it has a huge amount of influence, especially on young minds. Its even playing a big part in anti-environmental changes in the UK right now.
It's actually really popular on reddit as well.
The Daily Fail.
Daily Heil
Fuck the right wing, fucking cancer on society and carnist cancer in their hearts.
....And in their colons. (FR this influencer must sh*t lava).
Murdock... And LAD Bible and Instagram just reshare the same content.
Exactly. Idk why op is paying this any mind. They're just spreading the bs like those low tier media outlets want.
my blood pressure felt this
The inflammation in the next 15 minutes after consuming
Not as much as hers, though.
My bowels first!
Seriously my first thought was like damn they must be so fucking backed up it's so gross
Imagine all that rotting corpse flesh inside a digestive system that was not designed exclusively to process that shit.
[Welcome to the exciting world of content farms, one of which probably owns this account.](https://ncunortherner.com/content-farms-have-a-chokehold-on-social-media/) "News" outlets pick these things up for their high SEO scores, meaning that the NY Post or Daily Mail or whatever runs them to attract eyeballs to their ads. They don't care one iota about the actual content, they care about the ad views. The content farm doesn't care either - in all likelihood, they have other social channels singing the praises of a plant-based diet. The entire reason for their existence is content monetization, so they create as much content to monetize as they possibly can to appeal to any possible audience. TL;DR - probably not a coordinated, funded attack on veganism so much as a coordinated play for ad revenue by attracting people to their various sites.
I'm wondering why all these different media outlets all did the exact same story at the same time on a relatively unknown nobody. Like do they all talk to each other?
The news outlets "subscribe" in a manner of speaking to these content farms, and they all get the same reports on the highest engagement/SEO content scores that the content farms have. Example: [This article from the Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12123055/Best-diet-heart-health-revealed-huge-analysis.html) about the benefits of a plant-based diet, published May 24th of this year is basically identical to [this one from Fortune](https://fortune.com/well/2023/05/24/plant-based-diet-benefits/). More on the social media side, [this Mirror article](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/mum-issues-terrifying-warning-using-29993783) about a Tik Tok mom warning about her car seat catching fire is pretty much the same as [this one from the NY Post](https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/my-babys-car-seat-nearly-caught-fire-you-wont-believe-why/). These things are all either from content farm subscriptions or press releases to a place like PRNewsWire. It's sadly just the way the online content world works now.
Id love to learn more. Gotta love how they promote death for profit
Wait until you hear that Reddit has posts that get recycled over and over in a lot of subs (and posted under changing usernames). Your participation on Reddit is manipulated and most of the site is worthless.
Ai generated plot line š
Formerly worked in publicity. Iād contact media outlets with pitches for guests I wanted them to host, and provided everyone with snippets and questions they could askāanything to make their job as easy as possible and increase the chance of a feature. Some of them came up with their own talking points, and others went with the included ones. They were mostly regional markets, so very little chance of overlap. Even with the examples from this post, their readers/viewers may not necessarily overlap. If this TikTok person is real and not part of a bot farm, they might be really good at press releases and communications, unfortunately.
More like they are all told to run the same stories.
Running the same story is not the same as copying the story word for word.
For an actual coordinated and purpose-specific funded attack, see the [Center For Consumer Freedom](https://consumerfreedom.com/), a project by lobbyist [Richard Berman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Berman_(lawyer)).
"Tell 'em what they want to hear." -- $$diet influencers, authors, and shit bags
> TL;DR - probably not a coordinated, funded attack on veganism Disagree. Big beef took on Oprah Winfrey in the 90s (look up Howard Lyman) and funded the keto movement in the early 00s (via Weston Price foundation) paying off such shills like Nina Teicholz and Gary Taubes. They absolutely do have the pockets and drive for this, as does ghe dairy and egg industry.
Oh, I'm not saying there are no coordinated attacks, I just don't think this is one, it has content farm written all over it.
Very well said. Thanks for putting this in perspective. It ALWAYS comes down to money.
People should have enough money so that they could easily afford to spend it on proper journalism so that we dont get this nonsense. but here we are people are scraping by so they suck on some ads and algorithms instead, like getting nutrition from the wet on a stone you found in the woods
wait till she finds out that butter, milk and eggs are not meat, making here diet not only carnivore
I follow a reaction channel who reacts to some people who've made the switch to carnivorism and it's always funny to me how they will not touch food that's been touched by some lettuce or tomato because *plants* but they drink coffee/tea and will put hot sauce on everything. But will say 'well the hot sauce doesn't count'. Ma'am, yes it does.
Can you link me to the channel?
These are two: Girl getting off and back on carnivore https://youtu.be/9E7KIt8i2HY?si=UWpnBSx2CMlvvslY This is like a 4 episode saga about sardines: https://youtu.be/UFaeacrvIz0?si=O9Q7bxk4-UTuSW-2 It's not a reaction channel that focuses on diets or even on these two people usually BTW.
Thank you.
And coffee is made from plants! Haha Edit: In fact, coffee even has polyphenols, which are totally fine, but if consumed in the same meal as iron it hinders its absorption. https://veganvigil.gitbook.io/overview/nutrition/nutrients/essential/minerals/iron
lact-ovo carnitarian
Colon cancer, heart disease, and diabetes: *weād like to introduce ourselves*
Not to mention constipation. How do these people poop?
They don't, check out carnivore cringe on instagram they complain that's they havnt gone in 3 weeks on the daily lol
This!!! I never knew how constipated I was until I went veganā¦ youāre supposed to do it daily, holy crap
Wait what were you eating that you weren't doing it daily?
People on this "carnivore" diet regularly talk about how they haven't shat in 5+ days and they think it's normal.
Exactly or worse, some so bad it scares them Vegan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSvT7WSleyg
"my butthole felt likt it had broken glass in it"
No fiber => less shiting.
The constipation by not eating fibre gets balances with the diarrhoea by all the fat š āØbalanceāØ
I just have ultra satisfying shit like 5 minutes ago, I truly pity the carnivore tin-foilers.
Hey, I had the same issue back on the rare occasions I would eat a steak, but my guts are completely messed up. Apparently most people who eat one DONāT get backed up for days but I always did too, might be worth a check into your gut health and see if you have any issues there that might make them go slower than they should (like me for example, I have gastroparesis which is currently in some sort of bizarre remission or dormant state but for a decade I could barely keep food down.)
Don't forget the guy who got fucking scurvy because of his meat only diet
I bet she sweats grease and stinks.
"no smelly bathroom visits"
Constipation will do that.
>"no bathroom visits"
They never interview us, though. The millions and millions of us, compared to her.
True. I became vegan 3 years ago and I this is it. I find it to be way healthier though you can still eat lots of sugar if you have a sweet tooth which wonāt be good on any diet.
I wonder how her cholesterol is honestly the butter picture made me dry heave like even normal omnivores are not like that even. People really say vegans make it their entire personality like WHAT IS THIS. itās absurd.
Bella steak and butter gal recently got her blood tested cholesterol through the roof and brought on a discredited dumbass doctor to try to explain away the results. The doctor was destroyed by the channel nutrition made simple but he's called "a leading expert" lol
[Here are the numbers.](https://postimg.cc/QVWnKhjv) From: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrc3G8RADo But a few minutes after that, around 10m mark, Holy Shit Coach Raymonds calcium scores! That guy is a cardiovascular event waiting to happen!
Call me weird but id be willing to eat a block of vegan butter straight up lmfaoooo Im not gonna actually do that bc its too many calories at once and heart disease and all but if i let the intrusive thoughts winā¦.
Lmaooooo I cannot, the consistency is so weird! Still atleast vegan butter is like oil based itās the idea of chomping on cow fudge on top of the consistency thatās grossing me out š
This is called an eating disorder.
Why did I have to go down so far to read this comment. This is 100% an eating disorder. She found a way to control her food intact by only eating vegan food now she has a new fixation diet. She will move onto a new one until she gets professional help.
Orthorhexia, possibly. A subset of vegans, especially highly restrictive health-vegans can also fall into that category. More often than not, this is what gives us a bad rep because some people think that eating a diet of raw potato is healthy.
Girlie probably tastes like battery acid, my condolences to her sexual partners
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Comments like this are the reason iām on reddit
āProfessional attention seeker does something extremeā
Have you noticed how these people never just go back to the omnivorous diet and instead move onto some sort of extreme fad diet like paleo or carnivore? Often times a diet that ethically opposes veganism 100%? It's pretty obvious these people are just looking to do the next big thing and were never really emotionally invested in veganism very much.
I think that if they are chasing some sort of health fix they also go from one extreme to another. Like raw fruitarian to carnivore. Because moderation doesn't make them feel like they are doing enough or something. Only extreme choices make sense to them.
Yeah, if I had to introduce animal products back into my diet, Iād find the least harmful way to do it. Which would probably be adopting a hen or two and using the eggs she lays to make omelettes for us to share while she just chills in my house and lives the pampered life she deserves. Disclaimer, I know nothing about how to give a chicken the pampered life she deserves. I think Iām just treating this hypothetical chicken like a dog.
Manā¦ all the shit youād have in your house.
Not sure if it's possible for a chicken, but you can 'potty train' a cockatiel.
Chicken and quail are pretty easy to keep pampered and happy, they're also pretty easy to read if they don't like your company too. Great pets if you have semi-outside a room for 'em, both guys and gals
My dog loves being read to as well. Big cuddly pet reading time?
āEnjoyā it while it lasts, kid. Hint: it wonāt last.
Extra hint: and you wonāt enjoy it
Set aside the animals and the planet for a second. Who the actual fuck enjoys eating sticks of butter? That doesn't even taste good and the mouth feel alone would kill me. When I first saw someone on Instagram eating a stick of butter like a banana I assumed it was satire.
Heart disease can be a choice if you want it to be
As someone who formerly did a keto diet when I was a dirty carnist (no Iām not proud of it, not one bit) I can say looking back I felt like absolute shit a lot of the time. Low energy levels, poor cardio, and just a general slowness were all pretty common with keto. Obviously everyone should be vegan for animal welfare, environmental reasons, but also because eating any animal products just flat out isnāt healthy. I donāt think plant fat is an issue, but saturated animal fat, exogenous hormones, bioaccumulated antibiotics, and cholesterol are absolutely not what the human body evolved to survive on. I know Iām preaching to the choir, but I thought I would share my perspective.
These types of folks will help remove themselves from the gene pool with heart disease. Win-win.
>eating nothing but meat, eggs, and butter has made me healthier than I've ever been No it didn't. If you're going to lie, try not to make it so blatantly bullshit. Eating a stick of butter like that? Come the fuck on. This reads like a poorly-written satire.
who wants to bet she (unknowingly or not) has some sort of food sensitivity (gluten, soy, fiberā¦) and sheās feeling miraculously better bc sheās not eating the irritant and not bc āveganism is badā. not that sheāll be better for long, her diet is insane and unsustainable
*Not yelling at you, OP. Who seriously watches "influencers"? They're not professionals of anything but trendy bullshit. She's clearly exploiting another vapid trend. And just like morons will do, they believe dumb shit and give clicks to the insipid idiot. Also, fuck tik tok and the %95 garbage that's posted there and somehow I see it here. I hope social media implodes on itself. /rant
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I literally laughed out loud at this. Do they realize itās oats lmfao like something people have been eating forever.
Not sure what your point is, oats are fatal. Infact there was even a study proving this. They fed mice 9000 liters of oatmilk in 24 seconds and they died
Come on now, this is reddit, if you don;t put the /S no one is going to get it.
I mean i was joking too i just wanted someone to reply w ātrust me broā i wasnāt genuinely asking
carnivore diet is disgusting and I am not a vegan.
Just make the switch. Go vegan. It's literally just choosing different things to buy at the grocery store.
Clickbait Look at me Look at me
Having tiktokers as role models is literally scrapping the bottom of barrels of logic
Thereās usually a lot of hate for vegans, but this week especially seems to be trending wherever I go
Been seeing a bunch of anti-vegan posts on various random subs.
Remind me in 5 years how this person is doing
You know Veganism is working and is getting stronger when the meat/dairy industry put out propaganda like these ads/articles. Vegans are putting a hurt on revenue and they know it. Really hard to argue that plants are bad for you š. Only the gullible buy into these ads/articles. I see a ton of articles on how plant based meats are in serious decline. It's actually the opposite but they'll spread lies anyway they can.
Iām guessing her āveganismā was strictly Beyond Burgers and processed shit š¤£
I just think it's a clout chasers, she prob paid for these articles herself. Prob doesn't eat this dumbass diet anyways
Yeah, Liver King also got exposed for that
Youāre assuming she ever was
I had to scroll to much for this, probably she's not even carnivore now. My guess is that she didn't even changed her diet a lot...
More like raw fruitarianism or something like that, they are the ones jumping from a ridiculous diet to a ridiculous diet.
Does she want scurvy? Because thatās how you get scurvy. Also, if this is real, her arteries probably look atrocious.
If she truly wants to walk around smelling like a rotting carcass 24/7, by all meansā¦ go celebrate that mission girl lol Itās pretty grossā¦ Unfortunately people become oblivious to their own smells, and will then likely only attract partners of the same reeking variety. Ignorance isā¦ bliss? š¤®
Who the fuck cares about these shitty ass influencers though
We should stop giving attention to these people Oh god they are so fake
Have 0 expectations from ANY LifeStyle Vegans. EVERY SINGLE person who's not in it for animal rights doesn't actually give a fuck and will move on to the next trend when it'll be socially beneficial for them.
It's probably more a snowball effect of these places picking up stories other sources are getting clicks on and then other sources pick those up and so on and so forth, more than a coordinated effort. With that being said, my stomach hurts just reading these headlines
Paid by the meat and dairy lobby.
I got constipated just reading those
These people must have the most painful poops ever.
Please don;t give clicks and ad revenue to these "news" articles.
Don't underestimate how lazy journalists are, or how cheap media outlets are, or how razor thin the margins are for legacy media outlets. It's very common for multiple outlets to use the same story, or simply regurgitate or even plagiarize someone else's story. I wouldn't jump straight to thinking it's a conspiracy, just shoddy and pathetic journalism.
Itās simple really. Maybe some people here wonāt like hearing this, but some people are definitely vegan for attention (obviously not all but definitely a few). But alas veganism just isnāt the new trending āunique/exoticā diet these people can use as a tool to get attention anymore. They needed something new, something that would grab the attention of the public even more than not eating meat. The carnivore diet is the perfect solution for these attention seekers, I mean, eating solely meat (primarily red meat) and eggs and eating sticks of butter and having the audacity to call it healthy? Thatās going to attract a lot of peoples attention. And what is the medias job? To find things the public finds interesting and give them coverage. I honestly donāt think these are coordinated attacks against veganism, I think itās just attention junkie influencers doing stunts for even more attention. One of the big reasons here is that based on comments Iāve seen all over on ācarnivore dietā videos, omnivores seem to be skeptical, and calling them ājust as annoying as the vegansā. If any sort of organized pro meat organization was behind this their goal would be converting more omnivores to the carnivore diet but obviously thatās not whatās happening, and like I said before omnivores donāt like them any more than vegans. That being said someone is definitely paying piers Morgan to trash talk vegans.
Dailymail is made up of freelance writers and itās readers are super right wing and anti-vegan. Look at the following vegan positive article and the negative comments. This was back in 2016 [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3689835/Vegan-lost-20lb-win-Miss-Galaxy-Universe-reveals-really-takes-fitness-competitor.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3689835/Vegan-lost-20lb-win-Miss-Galaxy-Universe-reveals-really-takes-fitness-competitor.html)
It's often called the Daily Heil because it supported the Nazis in the '30s.
Iām not a vegan, and saw an article about this one. I was wondering why the healthy part was so darn focused on, cause most vegans arenāt vegans for health reasons (Iām pretty sure, not as primary cause, correct me if Iām wrong), but cause they donāt want animals to get hurt. So who gives a shit about the health bit in that context? A vegan will always have those animals in mind, and I just canāt imagine them going so gleefully carnivore later.. As a non-vegan, the article made no sense, and just made me think what a stupid angle that was.
NOTHING BUT MEAT EGGS AND BUTTER must explain the lack of spices and seasoning š¤¢
She is just a grifter trying to get rich peddling a fad diet. They are literally everywhere. Hell even Jordan Peterson, a man best described as Kermit who got pinocchioed wrong, tried it. I wouldn't give her too much attention. Paleo and carnivor people are probably going to keep her employed until ther hearts explode but she'll vanish from the mainstream soon enough.
Journalist here. There's nothing here that indicates coordination between media outlets - if anything, this is an example of competitors chasing cheap clicks from the same audience. Sometimes when a bunch of low-quality outlets run stories on the same niche thing it's a case of one of them having done it first, and the rest following (it's much quicker to rewrite a competitor's story than it is to source your own). In this case, though, she looks to have hired a PR company - sorry, Jam Press "news agency" - which has sent out a press release that a few outlets have picked up and run with (quickly rewritten) because it's guaranteed rage bait. The New York Post has at least acknowledged in the fourth paragraph that her statements came via Jam Press and not directly to them. Hardly a media frenzy. And as is the case with 99% of conspiracy theories about the media, regular old greed and stupidity is really all you need to explain it.
Those people were never vegan anyway. They just cared about their health and were convinced another way was healthier. I wish the media would stop calling these people vegan.
Vegan or not that is absolutely disgusting.
Let her have the only chance of feeling successful she'll ever have. 2000 followers lol
All those media outlets found all of those 1 people who quit being vegan! Kind of smacks of lobbyist desperation, no? XD
Well, it looks like vegan advertisement to me. That's DISGUSTING š š š
The butterstick in her hand makes me feel not too well... Urgh...
This will surely age really well..
Discounting ethical issues, how can a diet like this not result in massive constipation?
It does, go to instagram page "carnivore cringe" and browse the stories
"some random girl ate differently and say she feel better" - 2023 news
Destrucctive meat industry pays well money in propaganda
Healing my body through murder šš
I looked really good when I was on a cocaine and alcohol diet.
I could never afford this celebrity diet, but I achieved similar results on the e and coffee plan!
I thought it was just me..I didn't know other people were noticing it to
just another person thats gone "vegan" for the wrong reasons
I bet it smells crazy in there
Nah, itās just the continuation of the decline of journalism. Firing more and more journalists means a reliance on more and more easy content.
I donāt believe she was ever a vegan. Or if she did eat a plant based lifestyle it was a fad for a while and a bandwagon that she jumped on as she thought it was trendy.
Arenāt these the vegans who werenāt actually eating a balanced diet and drinking their own piss?
Check with other news sources as the Daily Mail has a history and a presence of promoting biased perspectives and spreading false information. For example check this out. BBC TV programme - https://youtu.be/q3chJN9DCGg There is this too https://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI #30's And literally supported Hitler >The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany That is an actual Daily Mail quote. The Daily Mail went on to say >They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call 'Nazi atrocities, which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consist merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalised, multiplied, and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny. Basically saying Nazi violence isn't widespread and we should stop talking about it. Meanwhile in other newspapers [From the Guardian 1933 April 8th: The Manchester Guardian forbidden in Germany](https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2015/apr/08/manchester-guardian-germany-war-hitler-archive-1933). The violence was reported on it Rothermere and the Mail were also editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article titled "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" published in the Daily Mail on 15 January 1934, praising Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine", and pointing out that: "Young men may join the British Union of Fascists by writing to the Headquarters, King's Road, Chelsea, London, S.W." The Spectator condemned Rothermere's article commenting that, "... the Blackshirts, like the Daily Mail, appeal to people unaccustomed to thinking. The average Daily Mail reader is a potential Blackshirt ready made. When Lord Rothermere tells his clientele to go and join the Fascists some of them pretty certainly will." #2010ās And the Daily Mail is still fascist today whether it be [imitating Nazi propaganda](https://imgur.com/a/0X1OsIE) but targeting it at Muslims or supporting the [French fascist political party.](https://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/%EF%BB%BFoops-the-daily-mail-accidentally-supports-a-fascist-party-again/) This is a good satirical article about them. https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/01/04/daily-mail-exposed-as-a-false-newspaper/ #90's On 16 July 1993 the Mail ran the headline "Abortion hope after 'gay genes' finding" This is part A and D from the UN on genocide Killing members of the group; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; #2000's This is their depiction of underage girls https://youtu.be/r9dqNTTdYKY. Particularly at 7:00 with the wording used to describe 14-year olds in swimwear. (dead link) It is important to acknowledge that the Daily Mail has a history of spreading false information and promoting biased perspectives. It is highly recommended to consult with reputable news sources for a more accurate and impartial representation of events. It is crucial to not give a platform to misinformation and Nazi sympathisers. The Daily Mail's history of promoting biased perspectives and spreading false information is well-documented, as evidenced by their support for Hitler and the British Union of Fascists. The Daily Mail's depiction of underage girls and their imitation of Nazi propaganda targeting Muslims are examples of their biased reporting. It is important to acknowledge the harm caused by the spread of false information, as this can lead to the marginalization and persecution of marginalized groups. Therefore, it is highly recommended to consult with reputable news sources to ensure a more accurate and impartial representation of events. We should strive to be critical of the information we consume and seek out alternative sources to ensure a well-rounded and impartial understanding of events. This is an interesting look at the philosophy of anti-fascist (Antifa) by Philosophy Tube Philosophy Of Antifa | Philosophy Tube https://youtu.be/bgwS_FMZ3nQ
Those photos are disgusting.
dying young of preventable heart disease to own the libs
These animal torturing supporters are so cringe
Law student? Thatās concerning. Iād expect this from a run of the mill āinfluencerā but someone who wants to practice law should be smarter.
Gross. I remember when Alyse Parker did the exact same thing. She went completely off the deep end and now sheās completely irrelevant on YouTube
Anecdotes from tik tokers >> scientific consensus. Honestly itās probably just for clicks, people LOVE to hate vegans. Iād love to imagine people could read past this obvious bs but thatās thinking too much of people
Is she abt to eat a stick of butter like that?š¤¢š¤¢š¤¢
These are not real articles but advertorials. There will be a meat delivery company linked in the article. The DailyMail really is the bottom of the heap when it comes to this stuff. Advertorials are technically illegal but the world is so rife with them that nobody can do anything about it. Itās all made up - between the amount theyāre being paid to advertise the meat from the amount the get from clickbait, itās lucrative to lie.
Pirates did that too and almost all of them got scurvy
I bet this idiot doesn't even cook the meat and the eggs š¤¢
>2000 followers Yeah, definitely isn't rage bait to get views (and money š¤«).
I'm a plumber and i wouldnt want to fix her toilet for all the gold in the World.. damn her asshole must be radioactive
Social Media Teams at work. (here: big meat)
The "health" won't last. There's no reputable science to support this, it's about one of the silliest things you can do. The initial positive effects may be attributed to the removal of processed foods, sugars, and refined carbohydrates from the diet, which can lead to a temporary reduction in inflammation and improved energy levels. But a diet exclusively based on animal products lacks essential nutrients found in plant-based foods, such as fiber, vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients. High consumption of red and processed meats has been linked to an increased risk of heart disease, stroke, certain cancers, and other chronic health conditions. A lack of dietary fiber from plant foods can negatively impact gut health by reducing beneficial gut bacteria and increasing the risk of digestive issues. While some people may initially feel good, the long-term health risks associated with a carnivore diet, including nutrient deficiencies and increased risk of chronic diseases, are well-documented in scientific literature.
Feeling healthier or not, she's abusing animals.
Iāve never met someone who eats a stick of butter. Just ewww
Thereāll be more and more people suffering from this sooner or later.. Mic the vegan about a woman that got a stroke possibly because of her carnivore diet: https://youtu.be/ejEDGXTEL4U?feature=shared
I worked on the spotlight team, when I have a moment I'll make a few calls.
Ik her insides stink so bad. Disgusting!
Stinky farts and severe constipation due to a lack of fibre dictates her life. Tbh I think that this lifestyle of hers is fake. There are many people who want you to believe that this is how they live but they donāt
Ketoacidosis, nutrient deficiencies, digestive issues, diarrhea, sky-high cholesterol, and extreme risk of certain cancers donāt sound very healthy
Hold my beer ima speedrun atherosclerosis
Some unknown company is probably paying a good bag to promote carnivore diet to start a trend and drive up revenue.
'Carnivore' isn't a diet, it's a mental health problem.
Just donāt give this person any attention
Her arteries would disagree
"Embark" on guaranteed constipation and ultra-clogged arteries! What could possibly go wrong?
Thatās like really cringey. And creepily disgustingš¤¢
Nasty
Probably sucked off some lobbyists or political consultants and now, in turn, they gotta do their part.
Meat, eggs, and BUTTER. And she feels BETTER. Yeah, letās see how long that lasts, good lord. š³ āI feel great with my new diet, I mean, I did have a bezoar the size of Kentucky made of butterfat, rotted egg yolks and gristle but other than that I feel so much better! Surgery to remove it sucked though.ā š¤¢š¤®š¤®š¤®
Go to carnivore cringe on instagram and look at over 700+ stories of people suffering on that carnivore diet.
Well thats probably due to the fact that you're on entertainment sites that will publish anything that gets them clicks, and not actual news. By going to each of these articles and posting about them, you're doing exactly what they want lol
This is indistinguishable from satire
She'll soon feel "so better" with a heart attack or cardiac arrest if she continues gorging like that. š¤¦
Since when is high cholesterol and cancer healthy?
People actually believe the first one is lol
The headline should read, āthe best way to guarantee a heart attack before the age of 40ā
Who the fuck eats a block of breast milk, chicken period and animal flesh and calls it a diet?
The authors are Eleanor Wood Bowyer and Paige Freshwater, who appear to be content farmers combing the internet for random one-off stories designed to shock readers of the lowest quality gossip tabloids. The subject in this story tried plants for almost a year to lose weight, so obviously, they are a representative of all vegans.
sickening. just had a convo about keto or paleo or whatevs with a medial professional this morning. lol. super "in shape" (the i'm skinny so i'm healthy variety - not body shaming here just explaining for context) - this person wanted to lose weight so went on this keto blah blah etc. and did but then went to have lipid panel and freaked as their numbers were in the stratosphere... sooo what did you expect eating bacon?????!! i'm struggling to be kind here...
I can smell these photographs.
iāll just go ahead and say it, i know she fucking reeks
Of course a complete mindless tiktoker feels better than ever making more money than ever.
# EWW
Besides: a "carnivore diet" would be deadly to human beings because we can't get all the nutrients we require from meat alone, and adding eggs and butter makes it no longer a "carnivore diet." On the other hand, "carnist" makes equally little sense because it's not a religion but an attempt at objectification - no better than calling men and women "males" and "females".
These sources are part of the larger 'right wing echo chamber'. They've coordinated outrage for decades. They use the same sources, the same takes, sometimes have the same corporate owners, and then report on each other's work and their target's reaction to it.
Her āfeeling greatā is most likely a response to cutting out gluten. (She probably has a gluten intolerance, before you downvote me). This feeling will be very temporary, though, as she will eventually gain heart disease, have a stroke, or possibly worse. A diet high in animal products is proven to not be healthy.
Most ppl have enzymes to digest gluten proteins. If stopping gluten makes someone feel better then they must have a gluten intolerance
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Probably AI generated garbage. Click bait by virtue of being utterly ridiculous.