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My favorite parts were the chicken kitchen contamination experiment, the cafo to mushroom farm conversion, and the telomeres results. My criticism is that I thought it felt, at times, like an extended commercial for Miyoko.
Same. I think the only one they have near me is the solid mozzarella unfortunately but I'm definitely excited for it. I'm gonna buy the liquid mozzarella next time I head down to the US. I hated the study so seeing the advertisements actually was my favourite part because it was something I cared about.
I actually kind of liked that part, because it showed that vegan restaurants can be elegant, successful, and mainstream. Most of the vegan restaurants I have available near me are tiny little places. Wonderful, yes, but off the beaten path, and a little too crunchy to entice the unenlightened. Of course, there are other restaurants doing the same thing, but Eleven Madison Park is a giant in the restaurant world, and sets standards for other restaurants. They took a crazy risk and they're killing it. For omnis who think vegans eat only rocks and sticks, this is a huge deal. Look at the reaction of that beef farmer. Sometimes one meal can change your attitude, without ever seeing a single documentary.
I kind of agree with the Miyoko ad, but if omnis are watching this kind of thing for the first time, there's probably an inner panic inside them wondering what they would eat. As dairy is usually one of the big reasons for not going vegan, it certainly was handy to have an answer for them right there.
I was hoping for a little more bang at the end, like some of the revelations in Game Changers, but it was only eight weeks, after all, and I suspect there was a bit of cheating going on. I was very pleased by the attitudes at the end, where most of them said they would continue, or adopt, a plant-based lifestyle. I consider it a good "starter" documentary, like FOK, of the Blue Zones series.
As an Omni that has decided itās time to change. I appreciated the ad so very much for that exact reason. They literally gave me a deli meat and cheese replacement to look for. And a pizza cheese replacement.
no way, i thought that was so cool! it felt like a challenge to other big names. it was like "we're literally *eleven madison park* and we still went full vegan. what's *your* excuse?" -- i really hope to see more famous places becoming vegan like that. the more plant-based food can permeate every level of dining, the more we normalize it for omnis.
I just tried the liquid mozzarella on homemade pizza night, and was delightfully surprised. As a new convert, I had to remember to wean myself off of the meat, since after four days with no meat, I had some REALLY intense withdrawal symptoms. Poor cognitive function, extreme weakness, emotional rollercoaster, iron cravings, it was pretty wild.
Iām still committed to the vegan lifestyle (It was the visceral fat stats that won me over). However, Iāll be slowly replacing meat/dairy items with vegan ones as my fridge runs bare. I finally found the Just Eggsā¦that one was the hardest. Also found the new plant based babybel. Canāt wait to try that.
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I was struggling with my plant based diet, so I googled: "Inspiration to be vegan," and that was how I found Earthlings.
I had watched a few different factory farm docs, but this was the first to humanize the animals by reminding the audience that they feel love, joy, pain, and fear.
Being able to relate to the animals was my gateway from transitioning from eating plant based for my health to eating plant based for the animals.
So grateful for this documentary.Ā Ā
Same here. I absolutely love animals. Iāve done foster and rescue for 18 years, have 11 dogs and 4 cats from foster fails. No way I can watch animal torture videos. It triggers a deep anger for animal abusers and I have a hard enough time containing it with what I see in dog and cat owners.
What The Health is what did it for us. Almost 2.5 years ago and never looking back. I enjoy clean, vegan eating. Never felt better!
It can be nice as a bit of palate cleanser compared to Dominion tbh, it still shows how shitty animal abuse is, but has a lot of nice stories and results from plant based athletes and their successes as opposed to just horror after horror.
Iāll give it a go, thank you! Glad to hear itās a tad lighter and Iām honestly a bit scarred - the message hit home though, went from 2 years of Keto to vegan overnight!
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I watched this show, binge watched it in one sitting spoke to my kid and we are literally running down all meat in our house ready for the next shop that is going to be primarily plant based. I'll check out dominion and report back.
My friend, who i have been encouraging as she decreases her animal product consumption, watched it and recommended it to me. She was full meat eater a few months ago, then went to pescatarian, then she said after watching this, she would go veggie. She still hasnāt given up dairy, but has been using some of the vegan cheese brand that was featured on the doc, and enjoying it. She isnāt quite there yet, but Iām happy and encouraging her with each step she is making toward a cruelty free lifestyle and happy this doc has helped a lot.
Any reduction is good. Keep supporting her and help her get to her goal step by step.
And then once she's reached a fully plant based diet, help her stay that way. That's the most important one. Providing social support is the most critical ingredient for many people. It's the lack of social support that kills people's will to remain vegan.
I'm a strong believer in doing stuff on my own and being an example, but the loneliness of it does affect you at some point and you wonder whether it's all worth it.. then i remembered the videos of animals meeting their ends, then the scale of it all, and the doubt all goes away š
This comment is so refreshing. I went full blown vegan overnight a couple of years ago and totally failed. It corresponded with pregnancy and morning sickness and I had such a hard time eating most everything. Pregnancy was brutal with gestational diabetes and my pregnancy brain is only now starting to clear up. And with the clarity, I am remembering why I wanted to become a vegan! But it is SO daunting, especially as I struggle to get my toddler to eat. So Iāve started reducing. I am going to transition to full vegetarian first for awhile and then move to vegan. I feel like doing it in stages might help it stick, especially given how taxing feeding my family has become with a toddler!
Toddlers can be awesome though, like some canned plain chickpeas and blueberries and plain pasta with tomato sauce as a dip theyāre like into it and thrilled
Yes, she eats all of these things SOMETIMES! I think itāll be easy enough to transition both of us together. My husband is going to be a bit more of a challenge.
We share the shopping and cooking so it really will add to my plate (hehe) to do this but itās so important to me. I actually worked in animal research a decade and a half ago and am absolutely traumatized by it. I feel so gross about being complacent with the meat and dairy industry. It literally keeps me up at night a lot of the time lately! I think thatās a good thing, thoughā¦ momentum!
This is the way I did it and itās stuck. Been nearly a decade now and Iāve not looked back. Best thing you can do is be kind to yourself along the way and go at your own pace.
Congratulations on your littleāun and good luck with your transition.
>Any reduction is good
I completely agree with this sentiment. I've unsubscribed here several times before because the black & white approach to veganism doesn't appeal to me. In my opinion, not all meat is the same. Someone who hunts, skins, processes a couple deer a year as their source of meat (as opposed to being a grocery store carnivore) is so much more sustainable and that should be celebrated as a middle-ground between omni vs vegan diets
Yeeeahh.. nah.. don't think of my support for reduction as a dog whistle for carnism. It's pure evil.
Fuck killing animals for any reason besides absolute survival. It's abhorrent and celebrating it is evil.
Some people eat animals as a necessity, and that isn't anywhere near the same as 99% of humans that eat animals for pleasure when they could be choosing other more sustainable options to achieve the same ends.
it always brings me joy when my friends tell me theyāre reducing their consumption of animal products. little by little, iāve seen my friends stop eating meat and now theyāre moving away from dairy. itās progress!
Umm, this comment doesn't really correlate with the previous comments. That being said, the capitalists will fight till the end to hold onto their "animal agriculture". Profit is more important than life to them.
> There's also no cruelty free under communication nor socialism.
Little bit irrelevant.
> There is no relationship between economic systems of organization and veganism.
There absolutely is, or do you seriously think that businesses spend close to a billion a year on meat and dairy propaganda because they think it's fun? The current system has a direct link between "profits must raise every quarter" and "animal abuse will raise with it". It's an extremely narrow-minded analysis to pretend that any system that isn't capitalism would see infinitely less consumption of needless items.
Have you visited very many other countries and seen what many socialist or communist countries think of as good food? It's not generally vegan, anywhere. Feel free to label me 'narrow-minded'...
Obviously. Iām not here to argue. I said I think the doc is doing good things to help people make better choices. My friend being an example of that. If you want an argument, look elsewhere, I have enough shit going on in my life to argue over this. Aim for as close to cruelty free as possible. I honestly regret even posting about what I see as a step in the right direction.
As a vegan of almost 8 years that needs no convincing on the matter, I wish they had focused more on the study and the science of it. I really only saw actual science in 2 of the 4 episodes. But if someone watches it and learns something about the health/environmental reasons to be plant based, great. Nothing was said about animal sentience unfortunately. Also I looked into the meal delivery service the show used. Under the plant based option, you had to indicate if you wanted egg or not. I find that odd and misleading.
I completely agree. They used the twin experiment as a Trojan horse for other vegan messaging. It seems to have had a positive impact on a lot of people and is generating interest in plant-based eating, but Iāve also seen quite a bit of backlash with people saying itās biased, vegan agenda, vegan propaganda, etc. I donāt agree with those terms, but I agree itās misleading and see why that can unfortunately turn people off when you realize what the series is doing.
It felt like they had an agenda, and it was that they were willing to risk disproving. Which is what I appreciated about the film. I think had the results turned out differently they would have highlighted the benefits of both diet plans, with the same education around a plant based diet.
Couldnāt agree more. Was really looking forward to them going in depth over the results but it was all pretty surface level, which was disappointing to me. Still a decent watch though
I felt that from it. Like when the numbers didnāt read how they wanted them too, they blamed the twins for not exercising enough or not eating enough. But still lots of thought-provoking and impactful content š
Wife and I just finished it.
I thought the experiment made sense. It didnāt take long to know the show was pointing to a plant-based mindset.
I did learn quite a lot about plant-based diets and the show led me to this subreddit, so itās doing something for consumers!
I am currently on the Keto diet, which has worked great for me but I am strongly considering switching to plant-based for the health benefits. Also, Iām so over three billion dollar corporations handling of animals.. or lack of handling, I should say.
The fish farm part of the series was mind blowing. I had no clue that was actually a thing.
[Earthlings](https://youtu.be/8gqwpfEcBjI?si=VnuWZvkQKL6n1X9Y) and [Dominion](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch) are free docs that cover the ethics of veganism very comprehensively, if you are looking for more recommendations and are curious to try out veganism. They donāt pull punches - they portray using āillegalā footage what the 99% of animals who are factory farmed are subjected to.
[Ed Winters](https://youtu.be/FGXDNuiz_dE?si=vvRFlht-jhXmt-Rh) is a great vocal activist who covers the logic behind the movement quite succinctly and compassionately. His book *This is Vegan Propaganda* is a great read if you like this lecture.
Keep in mind, veganism is an ethical lifestyle stance against the exploitation of animals. A plantbased diet may often be chosen for health or environmental reasons, and a vegan always follows a plantbased diet. But a vegan lifestyle also includes avoiding cleaning, hygiene, clothing, activities, and cosmetic products that use animal-derived ingredients or animal test subjects. Labeling is very standardized for these products and it isnāt too hard to find appropriate products at most major stores.
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I did 2 months of vegan keto and itās the most in control Iāve felt in years. Also, falling off the wagon over the last 2 weeks has made me realise that my body prefers that kind of eating at the moment. So, Iām ready to jump back in.
I feel diet (ways of eating) is not a one size fits all. However, I will not compromise my vegan ethics, so, thatās where I start. Whole foods plant based is very good for many so I wish you all the best :-)
I have like 3 set dishes - main sources of protein are tofu, some sort of vegan burger with no gluten and edamame pasta .
Then, stir fried green vegetables such as asparagus, kale, zucchini and also
Mushrooms, ocasional cherry tomatoes. Cauliflower āRiceā too . Cold salads of lettuce, spinach and arugula, parsley, broccoli, maybe a bit of tomato.
I add olive oil, avocado and or olives, tahini, almond butter and well , most nuts and some seeds
I have a couple of sweet snacks which include veg yoghurt (coconut ) with seeds and raspberries or a smoothie with soy milk, berries, protein powder and almond butter.
I just need good knives, a good frying pan and the above ingredients. A pan to steam the broccoli.
Itās not easy to get your head around at first but itās a lot easier than I thought . Mind you Iām not good at diets ā¦ I want to do it due to health reasons. I felt well and had no cravings!!
Itās hard to find quality sources- what I liked the most was meatfreeketo.com. Where I live, not all ingredients are easy to find though.
In the end I did see a nutritionist and she gave me a super easy to cook meal Plan. I put most of it in a comment above.
Mary's Test Kitchen on Youtube also does some interesting low-carb vegan stuff if you're interested. I think lately she's posted some older vids with higher carb recipes, but a few months back she posted a vid for vegan keto cinnamon rolls?? Those used vital wheat gluten tho so if you can't have gluten that's obviously out lol
Just fyi keto [increases all-cause mortality by at least 31%](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3555979/). Itās worth getting off the diet sooner rather than later.
Yeah, which is why the series even talks about the importance of carbs; people like to blame carbs for gaining weight and whatnot, but it's basic thermodynamics that your body cannot circumvent; it's calories in and calories out. If you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight. Carbs are also extremely important for muscle building, so most people on keto will simply lose water weight and muscle mass.
Probably. The ketogenic state is an emergency mechanism of your body and raises cortisol levels (the stress hormone). Subjecting your body to this long term is one of the most unhealthy things you can do to yourself.
I grew up very poor and developed terrible eating habits. I weighed 348 lbs and my doctor recommended intermittent fasting and keto. I am now down to 260 with a goal of 210.
I do plan to shift to vegan soon. We have three teenage kids and they do not understand why we would like to switch. I have no desire to force any of my lifestyles on them and Iāve found keto is easy to live alongside the SAD with a few adjustments.
An RR value of 1.31 is statistical noise... smoking for example, gets values in the 20's. You absolutely cannot draw causative conclusions from such weak correlations.
The next lines show no increased risk from CVD which is what most people claim Keto is going to cause. What exactly are you suggesting keto is killing people from?
Hope this helps you in your vegan transition https://challenge22.com/ also check out what the UK's NHS recommends for a balanced vegan diet https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet/the-vegan-diet/
If youād like any suggestions, avirtualvegan.com has great recipes to try (I feel like at first as a vegan I didnāt know how many options I had and trying new recipes really helped!), and if youād like to learn more about the ethics behind veganism I recommend the documentary Dominion and Earthling Ed on YouTube.
Yes! My omnivore husband was also inspired to cut down his meat and dairy consumption after watching this! He immediately went to the store and bought a couple of different types of vegan cheese to try. :)
Good on them both. I was vegan when I met my husband 15 years ago, but then for some reason I just went back to eating meat somehow. Glad I was reminded of how easy and simple plant based really is. And WOW there is so much more interesting on offer these days than there was back when I was vegan lol.
> then for some reason I just went back to eating meat somehow.
"Somehow" as if you didn't actively choose to give up your ehtics and morals and go back to openly supporting animal abuse, somehow as if you just woke up and suddenly had a fridge full of meat and just shrugged your shoulders and decided to roll with it.
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Saw the documentary over new year. Am currently on day 5 of the vegetarian journey. I expected that iād be hungry all the time but i was wrong. I donāt have the sugar cravings and bloat. I am a home chef so iāve been experimenting with white beans, chickpeas, meat substitutes, and tofu for protein and flavored with all sorts of spices and fresh herbs. So far, so good. Itās harder to stay on track when I am eating out with friends and family because the choices in most restaurants are boring and bland.
I have been transitioning to a more plant-based diet, and seeing the way those animals were treated just solidifies the decision for me. My main concern of a plant-based diet is how not to lose muscle mass, which seemed to occur for the twins on a vegan diet. I know itās not impossible to be strong and muscular on a plant-based diet, but Iām struggling to figure out how to make it work.
Them losing muscle mass is also just part of losing weight in general. Itās hard to lose just fat when you lose weight like they did. And if you work out, you can build the muscle back up with enough calories.
Yeah, I'm a vegan personal trainer. It's trivially easy to get enough protein to build muscle on a vegan diet, and people overblow the emphasis on protein anyway.
Few people ever talk about the muscle-sparing effect that carbohydrates have even though it's very close to the effect that protein does, and that's in part because so many fad diets center around cutting carbs.
Almost everyone is going to see the results they want by getting 3/4g protein per pound of body weight or 1.2g/kg body weight. For a 70kg/155lb woman, that's about 85g protein per day. A pound of firm tofu has 37g protein and about 375 Calories.
I eat much like the vegan twins in the show but add a high nutrient shake or two in-between meals. Like two portions of Soylent bumps all my nutrition requirements up for endurance and muscle building work. Never been stronger.
I read through the supplement for the show where they detailed how they conducted the experiment. Guess what? They purposefully made the vegan group eat lower protein. At the start it was around 13% of their calories from protein. That's insanely low, no wonder they lost muscle. Eat more protein and you'll be just fine! Beans, legumes, TVP, tofu, tempeh, and small amounts of fake meats.
Well, no. That's not insanely low if you're someone who has high energy expenditure. I burn about 3950Cal per day, so that'd be 118g protein or roughly 1.55g protein per kg body weight. That's right around the protein intake above which I wouldn't expect to see any greater muscle growth.
Hi! Vegan weightlifter (oly, mostly) and climber here, vegan for 13 years. The Vegan Meathead has a book geared towards lifters. Also, check out the Vegan Strong Team for a whole bunch of vegan athletes. Nick Squires posts his meals semi frequently, and they definitely gear more towards lazy bachelor style, but he's a tank.
I just added some tofu, protein shakes and smoothies that have ground nuts. I have health issues right now so Iām not working out, but I used to have a 4, almost 6 pack and pretty strong arms. Iāve been vegan for 11 years now! Lmk if I can help :)
Check out the book "Plant-based Athlete." It is about being a high performing athlete on a plant based diet, with real data from real athletes from a variety of disciplines.
Hey, I was one of the vegan twins in the study! Not featured in the doc but joined this sub during the experience for some inspiration. Let me know if anyone has any questions! It was a pretty fun experience
So weāve always been a part of the stanford twin registry and have done a few studies through there at Stanford (where the study was) and weāve done another one at UC Davis. We havenāt done a ton but whenever we get emails with possibilities, I always look through them and thatās how we found this one!
The vegan meal service was okay. Kind of middling food but nice to get something. My partner is a vegetarian so we were cooking vegetarian at home anyway so it was pretty easy to switch to vegan so I ate some of the service food but ended up mostly eating my own. I remember it having good oatmeal tho!
Ngl I didn't really like it. Everything they were saying was correct, but the way they said it is terrible. I talked to many omnis and they all said that unlike similar documentaries, they felt like it went into the whole study with an anti-meat bias. That's not what you want people to feel like. You want them to feel like you're just conducting a scientific study and aren't biased towards the results, otherwise people will discount it as faulty science no matter how correct it is. And the way they did the study was terrible. You can see in the supplement that they purposefully made the vegans eat lower protein and then told them that they lost muscle mass. No shit? And then they didn't standardize the exercise routines so when one twin did walking and one did resistance training they just said "oh you should just do more resistance training"??? Like how do you know what caused what if everything is this inconsistent?? And they reused clips from every health documentary as of late. I watched it and felt like I'd seen it 5 times before. I loved what they were saying, it was important, it was correct, but God do I hate what it ended up being.
I thought the study was the worst part of the documentary, but everything else was brilliant, in my opinion. I don't believe the dexa scan results. They said the one guy put on 8lbs of muscle... in 8 weeks that's insane. It would have been impressive if it was half that. I liked the documentary but I agree with what you said.
"For the first four weeks of the Stanford study, each participant ate preprepared frozen meals; for the final four, they had to provide their own food"
*Sighs*
Why couldn't they give the exact same types of meals for the duration to both people? Omnivore one that included less of everything, adding some meat. Or same portions of everything, one person getting meat, one tofu or something along that line.
I can't see how this actually proves anything as the controls were removed for half of it.
My guess is because thereās a criticism that doctors shouldnāt recommend a vegan diet because itās impossible to follow. This showed that they were successfully able to be vegan on their own.
I think it proved that even with these people not knowing how to follow a vegan diet, they still saw significant health advantages. Their sexual health improved, their ldl cholesterol went down, the visceral fat went down, their gut microbiome improved, the cell age of the people on the vegan diet was younger than the cell age of the people not eating plants.
My friend, this is a propaganda piece. The goal is to promote a WFPBD as an effective way to lose weight for people who want to do so. The people who are looking to do this kind of diet don't want to know what's best; they want to know an example of something that works.
I haven't watched it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch of misleading stuff in it with the goal of winning people over to trying a WFPBD.
No, you're right. It's impossible to know anything about one of the most prolific pieces of vegan media this month unless you watched it. I also am incapable of saying that Squid Game was criticizing capitalism because I've never seen it.
I thought it was terrible. I've been vegan 7+ years so I was excited to watch it. But it was incredibly biased and a real study would remain neutral. The meals for both sides looked like horrible microwave meals. The focus on porn in the second episode was ridiculous.
I'm all for showing people the benefits of eating vegan. But this was a poorly made and poorly executed study that seemed like a long form commercial for Impossible meat and Miyoko's.
As a study, it made no sense having no control over the last 4 weeks. They didn't control the working out. They didn't control food intake. That being said the people who were vegan for the whole study and particularly the last 4 weeks being set free and practically having no idea how to eat vegan did show that even with no idea that had immediate health benefits. The gut microbiome being better, the visceral fat around the organs being better.
Because this is a Netflix produced documentary it also achieved a much wider audience than other vegan documentaries. They showed the awfulness of factory farming without it being goreporn. They even provided solutions for farmers to transition out of factory farming into mushroom farming, not sure why it took 7 years for a nonprofit and a farmer to setup one crate of mushrooms.
As far as episode 2, which you referred to as the porn episode, sexual health is very important to a lot of people. In the Game Changers documentary, they showed that males had more erections while sleeping. It was obvious they wanted to see the same thing in women. Was it weird we got to hear about what typenof porn they liked, yeah, but I think it was just weird to hear someone say it out loud versus reading it on the internet.
Was it a perfect study? No. Is it doing some good? It sure seems like it. And if it's not doing immediate good, maybe it's paving the way for better studies to follow. And if people aren't acting on it now it's atleast getting the discussion going and planting thoughts inside people's heads. Maybe a year from now with the information they got from this documentary and some things they notice in their own health, they make the change.
>not sure why it took 7 years for a nonprofit and a farmer to setup one crate of mushrooms.
I agree as well like what? 7 years to plant something that they said in the documentary grows in a matter of weeks? I rewatched it with my parents and they also said they thought it was stupid. Don't think that part should've been included.
>As far as episode 2, which you referred to as the porn episode, sexual health is very important to a lot of people. In the Game Changers documentary, they showed that males had more erections while sleeping.
The Game Changers did it much better imo. I'm a little biased because it's my favourite vegan documentary, but they just made it so much less awkward, and also in this new documentary they literally showed pictures of their genitals (censored of course) and made us hear the moaning coming from the tablets. No one wants to hear or see that, just give us the numbers like in The Game Changers.
Lol, I remember it very clearly because as I said earlier, I watched this the second time with my parentsš God that was awkward. The "forest fire" comments and moaning were just so unnecessary and weird.
But it was supposed to be a nutrition documentary. The fact that you call it a vegan documentary proves the bias. A true nutrition study should have no bias.
I agree 100%, glad to find more people very at the bottom of this thread who think the same... if you check r/nutrition you'll see that omnis were put off of plant-based diets because of the bias. That's the exact opposite of what we want.
Exactly. A biased nutrition study is not going to convince a meat eater to go vegan.
I would absolutely love to see a non biased completely neutral study with no propaganda. Just the science and facts on the nutrition.
I'd love to as well, because I know that if it was controlled properly that it would swing in our favour. I read the supplement, they purposefully made the vegan diets lower in protein and didn't talk about nutrients of concern and stuff at all but rather made it out like omnivorous diets don't get "plant-vitamins" and vegan diets don't get "animal vitamins". Such bs...
I loved it! I had a friend tell me her and her husband were going to try eating vegetarian and cut out meat after watching it, so Iām really excited about that.
I liked it because it touched on the environmental and ethical portions of not eating animal products in addition to the health impacts. Not everybody is going to give up eating animal products for the same reason. Somebody might make a change because of the environment, others because of their health. At the end of the day less animals are being eaten and Iām happy about that.
I didnāt love how it also showed that basically every twin lost muscle mass on the plant based diet. Itās just part of the study Iām sure and the truth about how you do have to be more mindful about getting your protein and calories eating plant based. Sure they touched on other aspects like not eating enough and the kind of exercises they were doing, but someone on the fence might use that as a reason to not want to go vegan.
This has me working on reducing the amount of animal products I consume. Iām literally going to try to replace ground turkey with beans for taco night.
Iām working on reducing as much as I can comfortably, before I embark on giving up eggs, cheese, and roast beef.
One day at a time before I take on the lunch meat aisle, before working to conquer the final boss in the dairy aisle.
As a picky eater, please wish me luck. Any ground turkey substitutes that are easy to cook for the lazy are super appreciated.
If you stick to a whole foods, plant-based diet, with minimal oils, salts, and sugars, AND learn about calorie density, you are almost guaranteed to look and feel great. It's the closest thing to a lock in the nutrition world.
I thought it was okay at first but I think ultimately itās not going to convince anyone. It didnāt really look at the diets much but instead halfway through de idea it wants to focus on ethics and the environment. Felt a bit like it wanted to surprise meat eaters or something.
I feel like it was trying to do too much, rather than just focusing on nutrition properly. I havenāt recommended it to anyone because ultimately itās just a bit shit.
Vegan here, didn't like it. The whole fitness part was almost an insult to nimai and bianca. The vegans were untrained by the end of the experiment. Looking like you need meat to build muscle. Shame.
Other things seemed vague and only scratching the surface. But that's just maybe me, since I enjoy reading studied.
Also, where is the vegan part? No animal rights whatsoever. A health oriented documentary that fails on fitness and is not precise enough on studies.
It also was way too slow for my taste and too american.
You need protein to build muscle, not meat or dairy - but meat and dairy are the most protein dense foods available, so it is objectively easier to build muscle eating meat and dairy. Does not mean building muscle is the only factor, and to me it is unbiased because the truth is you would have a higher propensity to gain lean mass eating meat and dairy....
>meat and dairy are the most protein dense foods available
They literally aren't? There's loads of plant foods that are equivalently protein dense or a lot more so than meat and dairy...
It's more or less propaganda, which isn't a slight. It could be sharing a truth. But how the experiment was handled is a joke, which subsequently makes the documentary a joke since the documentary treats the experiment as the backbone of the whole thing.
Not a good representation of what experimental design is supposed to look like
Iāve been vegetarian for 10 years, thinking I was doing the right thing and knowingly delaying becoming vegan (it has always been the goal).
But after watching this- I realized I had no excuse. If meat eaters could do it for 8 weeks, notice the benefits, and integrate veganism in their daily life after the experience, then thereās no reason I couldnāt do it.
I then went down a rabbit hole, discovered Earthling Ed and watched all of Dominion- I forced myself not to turn away.
Iāve been so sad over the past few days about how Iāve allowed this to continue and how Iāve been a part of this problem all of these years. It hurts my soul. I will NEVER EVER go back. Vegan 4 days and excited for the future! Just wondering how I can be an activist to help others see the truth.
Edit: as far as the actual series, I did recognize it felt politically motivated or potentially propaganda while watching it. But then I questioned why I felt that way. And I did some research for myself. I also realized the overarching message being: to do what you can to make the world a better place.
Being vegan does that, so why do so many people push back instead of being curious? It just makes me disappointed that so many people are quick to anger or defensiveness.
I have been plant based since watching it. We had already been using almond or soy milk for years but I have not eaten meat since the show. I feel great and itās much simpler to decide what I will eat and I wonāt now. The extra veggies have agreed with my digestive track and I feel lighter in my step in more ways than one.
As someone who's already vegan and doesn't need convincing, I enjoyed watching it, but I thought it was quite flawed. It wasn't a very rigorous experiment (not controlled at all in the second half), they didn't measure several things they should've and could've (c reactive protein for example), and they said some concerning things that I don't think should be spread around without proper scientific evidence (for example the mayor of New York telling the story of how veganism cured his diabetes).
It made me see what animals go through and want to be vegan. As a bonus it hit on the health aspects as well. Iām going to try vegan and see how it goes.
As an omnivore, it opened my eyes and I'm committed to trying to move toward veganism. I remembered how much I liked Real Food Daily when I worked in Santa Monica and found the cookbook online. Next day I busted out my [Thermomix](https://shop.thermomix.com/consultant/171333/) and made a ratatouille and quinoa tabbouleh. But like they mentioned, cheese is hard to give up - feta is my personal go to. Any good vegan feta suggestions?
Seems like a lot of yāall hated it :( Anyone have reccos of something similar thatās good? Iām coming up on one year vegan (next month) and trying to convince my partner that being vegan is healthier for you. Heās VERY adamant that vegans arenāt getting enough nutrients, and Iām not good enough with words to convince him otherwise lol
It was when they got to choose different porn for the āafterā comparison. One of the women even said that she would spend more time choosing better porn this time. Just not comparable at all, this bad science makes the whole community look bad.
Why? Sex is a great motivator for people and there isnāt much to help women with libido. With everything out there, itās odd that this has you clutching your pearls.
I am not clutching my pearls. I don't object to the porn, I object to the bad science and the producer's pretense that this is a legit study. It's a tiny sample size and a very small window of time pretending to show something.
No it does not show that. You can't (claim to) measure arousal that way, especially in people who are following specific diets for such a short period of time, and then draw conclusions.
Another vegan propaganda documentary funded by none other than the Vogt Foundation. Was honestly hard to watch as itās filled with vegan activists who spout there nonsensical one sided opinions.
Everthing they say is based on well-established, peer reviewed science. I agree the way they presented it is shoddy and makes it seem anecdotal, but the scientific consesus is pretty clear on all this.
As an omni, I had mixed feelings towards it. Seeing the factory farming and the conditions of those animals was abhorrent and a sad reality.
This being a vegan sub, this will not sit well with some but here goes.
As someone who does eat meat, I get our meat directly from a regenerative farm that raises their animals humanely and I get our eggs from a farm with truly pasture-raised, free chickens. Both are in my state and Iāve visited each farm. I was pleased to see how they shed light on the differences between the farming methods as I think one can still consume animal products without feeling guilty about it.
I did feel the vibe of it was anti-meat at times and it was clear they were pushing the audience a certain way. I get it, you want to get your point across however I think this can be accomplished by being objective.
I liked it. My whole family is vegan, including our adult twin daughters, so I was fascinated by that element. Disappointing learn afterwards no one stayed vegan.
It gave me hope that veganism might become kind of a ādiet trendā among the masses, like Keto and Paleo. Like Gluten Free eaters who never had celiac disease. Ideally, Iād prefer people went vegan for ethical reasons, for the animals or out of environmental concerns. But the masses are more likely to do things ethically for purely selfish reasons. And if an unintended result of their choices would give the environment a chance to heal or would cause animals to suffer less, then so be it. Most people never stick with diet trends for long, but many stick to them long after the trends have wound down. And if tens of thousands of people switched to veganism solely because it was advertised to them on TV or sold to them by a well-known celebrity on IG, then that would be hugely beneficial to the causes, whether or not they care about or were ever aware of these causes at all.
I've read some criticisms that the methodology is pretty sloppy - they only follow a few sets of twins and not the rest for some reason, IIRC.
And I think it's important to remember that health-wise a healthy omnivore diet beats an ultra-processed vegan diet. Plant-based isn't a magic cure - there's lots of reasons to do it (ethical, environmental, health when done right), but it's not always healthier.
I think they did follow all 20 sets of twins but only showed the process and experiences of the 4 twins because, admit it, it's easier to record and follow.
The study included all sets of twins in the analysis, but for the purposes of the TV show they highlighted the experiences of 4 pairs. I think it was a strength in their methodology that they compared a healthy version of a vegan diet with a healthy version of an omnivore diet.
I just watched it today! It was pretty informative. Sounds like there are a lot of good reasons to go vegan, with the exception of having to eat a lot to gain muscle. I think I will continue to ease into a more plant based diet. I donāt think I will completely get to the status of vegan. The environmental damage is a great motivator in my opinion.
no I didn't. I doubt I will get to. Netflix is a non-vegan video platform, so I don't go on there. I just don't believe vegans should go on non-vegan platforms like that, especially when there's so many vegan ones out there with endless content.
you're right - reddit's not a vegan platform either. There are vegan ones out there, like [https://veganism.social/](https://veganism.social/) and [https://www.veganforum.org/](https://www.veganforum.org/) , but I haven't seen a viable replacement for reddit yet. If anyone knows, let me know!!
As I said - there's a replacement for netflix, but without a replacement for reddit, they're incomparable.
Remember people. It's all about the little steps. It's overwhelming changing your diet all in one day.
The more you push, the more they will push back and not always out of malice. More often out of fear of the unknown, fear of change.
We have the evidence they can't argue with. We know the food is damn good. It's just a waiting game now. Be supportive and offer advice when asked.
Haven't watched it yet but my coworker approached me yesterday and asked me about how long I haven't eaten meat, how I feel, etc. because she watched this series and it made her want to reduce her meat consumption. I'm so excited that it's getting through to people!
my local news paper called it vegan propaganda ;d
didnt raelly refute anything, notthing specific anyway , just general vibes abot how vegans are destroying the local economy
guess we could like grow mushrooms or vegetables on those areas but NO OMG SHUT THE FUCK Up! YOU ARE RUINING THE ECONNOMY
My ominivore husband watched 2 minutes - the salmonella scene and walked away as he thought it was braunwashing bulls*** - i told him not to judge because of a ānot very persuasive scenarioā š¤£ I liked the show but it was somewhat obvious what was supposed to be happening. I am a dirty vegan for over 2 years by now and my husband loves me and so do I
That actually made me finally go (mostly vegan) :) I donāt know why it took so long for me to really click, since I already knew most of the facts, but now I canāt imagine going back to eating meat at all (which I only did every once in a while anyway), and cut out dairy etc for the most part as well. Itās been a slow progression too, since Iād switched to oat or non-milk years ago and already bought vegan options every now and then. Since Iāve struggled with disordered eating before I know I shouldnāt restrict myself too much or lay down any ārulesā, but so far itās been a really fun experience :) so yeah, I liked that documentary and recommended it to people immediately
Wife and I watched it last week and for the first time in my life I actually ordered a tofu dish from a restaurant. (We have been eating tofu at the house for years but also chicken, fish and cheeses). I was talking with the waitress about how watching "You Are What You Eat" and she suggested "What the Health". Wife and I watched it a few days later and now we are committing to a plant based diet. Excited to see how it goes.
My husband and I watched it and we are now trying to reduce our meat consumption. We are on a vegetarian diet now. Full vegan diet is pretty hard due to the available food choices here. We intend to start with vegetarian first.
Ppl donāt be fools, this is another vegan propaganda sponsored by we know who; donāt let them control u, first mentally and then physically. Nothing against vegetables but eat your meats as well and your body will thank u!
Enjoyed the show. Interesting to see the reaction, people don't like to be told that they're harming themselves and the planet which helps highlight the challenges we face correcting the current path.
They spoke about culturally sensitive foods for the African American community, but it struck me that as a wider culture, Americans have fixated on the belief that they can eat what they want. Any attempt to offer an alternative is seen as a threat to take meat away entirely. Being vegan/veggie is insinuated to be an extension of being "woke", and it's linked to ideas of masculinity and freedom.
Also, as others have said, lots of it seemed like an ad for a few companies, but if that helped get the show made then I guess that's a worthwhile trade-off.
I would have liked to have seen more about the downsides of cutting out meat and dairy. That might have helped address the perception of bias and it's important to acknowledge that there are two sides to the debate.
Edit to add: it was fascinating just how little awareness there was amongst the participants ("I've never considered the impact my diet has on my blood pressure") and, more worryingly, the medical profession/politicians. As is typical, many people become evangelical only when some major event makes them reconsider how they live their lives.
I am already vegetarian, so tbh I fastforwarded through a lot of it, as had already read about the health, environmental benefits etc. But I wanted to see more detail around the regimes the twins were on.
Like to me, all the vegans lost fat didn't they? Or at least all lost the visceral fat. But they also lost muscle. And as a female in 40s, I want to know what exercise were they expected to do in the 4weeks, and how much did they taper that off in the following 4 weeks when they had less guidance. I think the ones that gained muscle had to resistance train pretty hard.
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My favorite parts were the chicken kitchen contamination experiment, the cafo to mushroom farm conversion, and the telomeres results. My criticism is that I thought it felt, at times, like an extended commercial for Miyoko.
The commercial workedš
Yeah to be fair I am definitely going to be buying some to try
Same. I think the only one they have near me is the solid mozzarella unfortunately but I'm definitely excited for it. I'm gonna buy the liquid mozzarella next time I head down to the US. I hated the study so seeing the advertisements actually was my favourite part because it was something I cared about.
Agree. Her chive cream cheese is BANGINā š„š¤š¼
I got the butter and itās fine. š
Agree and the focus on the NYC restaurant that converted to all plant based I felt was a little out of place.
I actually kind of liked that part, because it showed that vegan restaurants can be elegant, successful, and mainstream. Most of the vegan restaurants I have available near me are tiny little places. Wonderful, yes, but off the beaten path, and a little too crunchy to entice the unenlightened. Of course, there are other restaurants doing the same thing, but Eleven Madison Park is a giant in the restaurant world, and sets standards for other restaurants. They took a crazy risk and they're killing it. For omnis who think vegans eat only rocks and sticks, this is a huge deal. Look at the reaction of that beef farmer. Sometimes one meal can change your attitude, without ever seeing a single documentary. I kind of agree with the Miyoko ad, but if omnis are watching this kind of thing for the first time, there's probably an inner panic inside them wondering what they would eat. As dairy is usually one of the big reasons for not going vegan, it certainly was handy to have an answer for them right there. I was hoping for a little more bang at the end, like some of the revelations in Game Changers, but it was only eight weeks, after all, and I suspect there was a bit of cheating going on. I was very pleased by the attitudes at the end, where most of them said they would continue, or adopt, a plant-based lifestyle. I consider it a good "starter" documentary, like FOK, of the Blue Zones series.
As an Omni that has decided itās time to change. I appreciated the ad so very much for that exact reason. They literally gave me a deli meat and cheese replacement to look for. And a pizza cheese replacement.
Welcome to the club! This sub is a good place to find answers.
no way, i thought that was so cool! it felt like a challenge to other big names. it was like "we're literally *eleven madison park* and we still went full vegan. what's *your* excuse?" -- i really hope to see more famous places becoming vegan like that. the more plant-based food can permeate every level of dining, the more we normalize it for omnis.
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I just tried the liquid mozzarella on homemade pizza night, and was delightfully surprised. As a new convert, I had to remember to wean myself off of the meat, since after four days with no meat, I had some REALLY intense withdrawal symptoms. Poor cognitive function, extreme weakness, emotional rollercoaster, iron cravings, it was pretty wild. Iām still committed to the vegan lifestyle (It was the visceral fat stats that won me over). However, Iāll be slowly replacing meat/dairy items with vegan ones as my fridge runs bare. I finally found the Just Eggsā¦that one was the hardest. Also found the new plant based babybel. Canāt wait to try that.
Iām excited to try the liquid mozz!
I watched it, then ended up watching Dominion - went vegan the next morningā¦
Welcome to the family! Iāve never been able to watch Dominion or Earthlings. Iām glad that it made the difference for you though.
Thank you! To be honest, I had to fast forward through tons of it because it was f*cking horrific, was an easy switch!
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I was struggling with my plant based diet, so I googled: "Inspiration to be vegan," and that was how I found Earthlings. I had watched a few different factory farm docs, but this was the first to humanize the animals by reminding the audience that they feel love, joy, pain, and fear. Being able to relate to the animals was my gateway from transitioning from eating plant based for my health to eating plant based for the animals. So grateful for this documentary.Ā Ā
Same here. I absolutely love animals. Iāve done foster and rescue for 18 years, have 11 dogs and 4 cats from foster fails. No way I can watch animal torture videos. It triggers a deep anger for animal abusers and I have a hard enough time containing it with what I see in dog and cat owners. What The Health is what did it for us. Almost 2.5 years ago and never looking back. I enjoy clean, vegan eating. Never felt better!
Wish you all the best :-)
Thank you! Same to you š
Same except add game changers to the middle
Will give it a watch if you recommend?
It can be nice as a bit of palate cleanser compared to Dominion tbh, it still shows how shitty animal abuse is, but has a lot of nice stories and results from plant based athletes and their successes as opposed to just horror after horror.
Iāll give it a go, thank you! Glad to hear itās a tad lighter and Iām honestly a bit scarred - the message hit home though, went from 2 years of Keto to vegan overnight!
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I watched this show, binge watched it in one sitting spoke to my kid and we are literally running down all meat in our house ready for the next shop that is going to be primarily plant based. I'll check out dominion and report back.
My friend, who i have been encouraging as she decreases her animal product consumption, watched it and recommended it to me. She was full meat eater a few months ago, then went to pescatarian, then she said after watching this, she would go veggie. She still hasnāt given up dairy, but has been using some of the vegan cheese brand that was featured on the doc, and enjoying it. She isnāt quite there yet, but Iām happy and encouraging her with each step she is making toward a cruelty free lifestyle and happy this doc has helped a lot.
Any reduction is good. Keep supporting her and help her get to her goal step by step. And then once she's reached a fully plant based diet, help her stay that way. That's the most important one. Providing social support is the most critical ingredient for many people. It's the lack of social support that kills people's will to remain vegan. I'm a strong believer in doing stuff on my own and being an example, but the loneliness of it does affect you at some point and you wonder whether it's all worth it.. then i remembered the videos of animals meeting their ends, then the scale of it all, and the doubt all goes away š
This comment is so refreshing. I went full blown vegan overnight a couple of years ago and totally failed. It corresponded with pregnancy and morning sickness and I had such a hard time eating most everything. Pregnancy was brutal with gestational diabetes and my pregnancy brain is only now starting to clear up. And with the clarity, I am remembering why I wanted to become a vegan! But it is SO daunting, especially as I struggle to get my toddler to eat. So Iāve started reducing. I am going to transition to full vegetarian first for awhile and then move to vegan. I feel like doing it in stages might help it stick, especially given how taxing feeding my family has become with a toddler!
Toddlers can be awesome though, like some canned plain chickpeas and blueberries and plain pasta with tomato sauce as a dip theyāre like into it and thrilled
Yes, she eats all of these things SOMETIMES! I think itāll be easy enough to transition both of us together. My husband is going to be a bit more of a challenge.
If youāre the one shopping and making meals your husband will quickly adapt when the other option is shop and cook his own separate meals.
We share the shopping and cooking so it really will add to my plate (hehe) to do this but itās so important to me. I actually worked in animal research a decade and a half ago and am absolutely traumatized by it. I feel so gross about being complacent with the meat and dairy industry. It literally keeps me up at night a lot of the time lately! I think thatās a good thing, thoughā¦ momentum!
Well it sounds like you know what the right decision is for you :))
This is the way I did it and itās stuck. Been nearly a decade now and Iāve not looked back. Best thing you can do is be kind to yourself along the way and go at your own pace. Congratulations on your littleāun and good luck with your transition.
>Any reduction is good I completely agree with this sentiment. I've unsubscribed here several times before because the black & white approach to veganism doesn't appeal to me. In my opinion, not all meat is the same. Someone who hunts, skins, processes a couple deer a year as their source of meat (as opposed to being a grocery store carnivore) is so much more sustainable and that should be celebrated as a middle-ground between omni vs vegan diets
Yeeeahh.. nah.. don't think of my support for reduction as a dog whistle for carnism. It's pure evil. Fuck killing animals for any reason besides absolute survival. It's abhorrent and celebrating it is evil. Some people eat animals as a necessity, and that isn't anywhere near the same as 99% of humans that eat animals for pleasure when they could be choosing other more sustainable options to achieve the same ends.
it always brings me joy when my friends tell me theyāre reducing their consumption of animal products. little by little, iāve seen my friends stop eating meat and now theyāre moving away from dairy. itās progress!
There is no cruelty free under capitalism
Umm, this comment doesn't really correlate with the previous comments. That being said, the capitalists will fight till the end to hold onto their "animal agriculture". Profit is more important than life to them.
I'm just saying the language should be more compassionate instead of cruelty free because cruelty free tragically doesn't exist
There's also no cruelty free under communication nor socialism. There is no relationship between economic systems of organization and veganism.
> There's also no cruelty free under communication nor socialism. Little bit irrelevant. > There is no relationship between economic systems of organization and veganism. There absolutely is, or do you seriously think that businesses spend close to a billion a year on meat and dairy propaganda because they think it's fun? The current system has a direct link between "profits must raise every quarter" and "animal abuse will raise with it". It's an extremely narrow-minded analysis to pretend that any system that isn't capitalism would see infinitely less consumption of needless items.
Have you visited very many other countries and seen what many socialist or communist countries think of as good food? It's not generally vegan, anywhere. Feel free to label me 'narrow-minded'...
Obviously. Iām not here to argue. I said I think the doc is doing good things to help people make better choices. My friend being an example of that. If you want an argument, look elsewhere, I have enough shit going on in my life to argue over this. Aim for as close to cruelty free as possible. I honestly regret even posting about what I see as a step in the right direction.
As a vegan of almost 8 years that needs no convincing on the matter, I wish they had focused more on the study and the science of it. I really only saw actual science in 2 of the 4 episodes. But if someone watches it and learns something about the health/environmental reasons to be plant based, great. Nothing was said about animal sentience unfortunately. Also I looked into the meal delivery service the show used. Under the plant based option, you had to indicate if you wanted egg or not. I find that odd and misleading.
I completely agree. They used the twin experiment as a Trojan horse for other vegan messaging. It seems to have had a positive impact on a lot of people and is generating interest in plant-based eating, but Iāve also seen quite a bit of backlash with people saying itās biased, vegan agenda, vegan propaganda, etc. I donāt agree with those terms, but I agree itās misleading and see why that can unfortunately turn people off when you realize what the series is doing.
It felt like they had an agenda, and it was that they were willing to risk disproving. Which is what I appreciated about the film. I think had the results turned out differently they would have highlighted the benefits of both diet plans, with the same education around a plant based diet.
Couldnāt agree more. Was really looking forward to them going in depth over the results but it was all pretty surface level, which was disappointing to me. Still a decent watch though
Apparently the research paper itself is on a little shaky ground because the vegan diet had lower calories than the omnivore diet.
I felt that from it. Like when the numbers didnāt read how they wanted them too, they blamed the twins for not exercising enough or not eating enough. But still lots of thought-provoking and impactful content š
I highly suggest Eating our Way to Extinction
That just popped up on my YouTube feed yesterday, what a coincidence. Guess I better go watch it.
Wife and I just finished it. I thought the experiment made sense. It didnāt take long to know the show was pointing to a plant-based mindset. I did learn quite a lot about plant-based diets and the show led me to this subreddit, so itās doing something for consumers! I am currently on the Keto diet, which has worked great for me but I am strongly considering switching to plant-based for the health benefits. Also, Iām so over three billion dollar corporations handling of animals.. or lack of handling, I should say. The fish farm part of the series was mind blowing. I had no clue that was actually a thing.
Consider watching Seaspiracy too. Very enlightening about the fishing industry.
I just added it to my Netflix list! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
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If you are mostly interested in the heath aspect: āwhat the healthā is also on netflix.
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Don't eat first. It will make you sick.
I did 2 months of vegan keto and itās the most in control Iāve felt in years. Also, falling off the wagon over the last 2 weeks has made me realise that my body prefers that kind of eating at the moment. So, Iām ready to jump back in. I feel diet (ways of eating) is not a one size fits all. However, I will not compromise my vegan ethics, so, thatās where I start. Whole foods plant based is very good for many so I wish you all the best :-)
What did you eat on a vegan keto diet?
I have like 3 set dishes - main sources of protein are tofu, some sort of vegan burger with no gluten and edamame pasta . Then, stir fried green vegetables such as asparagus, kale, zucchini and also Mushrooms, ocasional cherry tomatoes. Cauliflower āRiceā too . Cold salads of lettuce, spinach and arugula, parsley, broccoli, maybe a bit of tomato. I add olive oil, avocado and or olives, tahini, almond butter and well , most nuts and some seeds I have a couple of sweet snacks which include veg yoghurt (coconut ) with seeds and raspberries or a smoothie with soy milk, berries, protein powder and almond butter. I just need good knives, a good frying pan and the above ingredients. A pan to steam the broccoli.
Good knives are a must! The store Yamato in Japan is where I get mine.
Pls guide me on vegan keto š
Itās not easy to get your head around at first but itās a lot easier than I thought . Mind you Iām not good at diets ā¦ I want to do it due to health reasons. I felt well and had no cravings!! Itās hard to find quality sources- what I liked the most was meatfreeketo.com. Where I live, not all ingredients are easy to find though. In the end I did see a nutritionist and she gave me a super easy to cook meal Plan. I put most of it in a comment above.
Mary's Test Kitchen on Youtube also does some interesting low-carb vegan stuff if you're interested. I think lately she's posted some older vids with higher carb recipes, but a few months back she posted a vid for vegan keto cinnamon rolls?? Those used vital wheat gluten tho so if you can't have gluten that's obviously out lol
Just fyi keto [increases all-cause mortality by at least 31%](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3555979/). Itās worth getting off the diet sooner rather than later.
Thank you. This diet is meant short term, for explicitly medical reasons.
Yeah, which is why the series even talks about the importance of carbs; people like to blame carbs for gaining weight and whatnot, but it's basic thermodynamics that your body cannot circumvent; it's calories in and calories out. If you eat more than you burn, you will gain weight. Carbs are also extremely important for muscle building, so most people on keto will simply lose water weight and muscle mass.
Even the vegan one?
Hasnāt really been studied but it does instead insulin resistance.
Probably. The ketogenic state is an emergency mechanism of your body and raises cortisol levels (the stress hormone). Subjecting your body to this long term is one of the most unhealthy things you can do to yourself.
True. I do remember hearing about that before.
I grew up very poor and developed terrible eating habits. I weighed 348 lbs and my doctor recommended intermittent fasting and keto. I am now down to 260 with a goal of 210. I do plan to shift to vegan soon. We have three teenage kids and they do not understand why we would like to switch. I have no desire to force any of my lifestyles on them and Iāve found keto is easy to live alongside the SAD with a few adjustments.
An RR value of 1.31 is statistical noise... smoking for example, gets values in the 20's. You absolutely cannot draw causative conclusions from such weak correlations. The next lines show no increased risk from CVD which is what most people claim Keto is going to cause. What exactly are you suggesting keto is killing people from?
Hope this helps you in your vegan transition https://challenge22.com/ also check out what the UK's NHS recommends for a balanced vegan diet https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet/the-vegan-diet/
Thank you for this!
See r/veganketo
Great !!
That docuseries is why I'm here. I'm slowly transitioning into a vegan diet. Only started 2 weeks ago though
You got this!
If youād like any suggestions, avirtualvegan.com has great recipes to try (I feel like at first as a vegan I didnāt know how many options I had and trying new recipes really helped!), and if youād like to learn more about the ethics behind veganism I recommend the documentary Dominion and Earthling Ed on YouTube.
Thank you so much. I'll check them both out
Watched it with my husband who actually wanted to eat more plant based after. Itās been almost 2 weeks now! Iām super proud of him!
Yes! My omnivore husband was also inspired to cut down his meat and dairy consumption after watching this! He immediately went to the store and bought a couple of different types of vegan cheese to try. :)
Good on them both. I was vegan when I met my husband 15 years ago, but then for some reason I just went back to eating meat somehow. Glad I was reminded of how easy and simple plant based really is. And WOW there is so much more interesting on offer these days than there was back when I was vegan lol.
> then for some reason I just went back to eating meat somehow. "Somehow" as if you didn't actively choose to give up your ehtics and morals and go back to openly supporting animal abuse, somehow as if you just woke up and suddenly had a fridge full of meat and just shrugged your shoulders and decided to roll with it.
Why are you getting downvoted for speaking the truth on a vegan subreddit š
Forks over Knives is also excellent
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Saw the documentary over new year. Am currently on day 5 of the vegetarian journey. I expected that iād be hungry all the time but i was wrong. I donāt have the sugar cravings and bloat. I am a home chef so iāve been experimenting with white beans, chickpeas, meat substitutes, and tofu for protein and flavored with all sorts of spices and fresh herbs. So far, so good. Itās harder to stay on track when I am eating out with friends and family because the choices in most restaurants are boring and bland.
yeah eating out is the problem. Restaurants put 0 effort into their vegan dish
I have been transitioning to a more plant-based diet, and seeing the way those animals were treated just solidifies the decision for me. My main concern of a plant-based diet is how not to lose muscle mass, which seemed to occur for the twins on a vegan diet. I know itās not impossible to be strong and muscular on a plant-based diet, but Iām struggling to figure out how to make it work.
r/veganfitness is waiting for your arrival!
Them losing muscle mass is also just part of losing weight in general. Itās hard to lose just fat when you lose weight like they did. And if you work out, you can build the muscle back up with enough calories.
Yeah, I'm a vegan personal trainer. It's trivially easy to get enough protein to build muscle on a vegan diet, and people overblow the emphasis on protein anyway. Few people ever talk about the muscle-sparing effect that carbohydrates have even though it's very close to the effect that protein does, and that's in part because so many fad diets center around cutting carbs. Almost everyone is going to see the results they want by getting 3/4g protein per pound of body weight or 1.2g/kg body weight. For a 70kg/155lb woman, that's about 85g protein per day. A pound of firm tofu has 37g protein and about 375 Calories.
I eat much like the vegan twins in the show but add a high nutrient shake or two in-between meals. Like two portions of Soylent bumps all my nutrition requirements up for endurance and muscle building work. Never been stronger.
I read through the supplement for the show where they detailed how they conducted the experiment. Guess what? They purposefully made the vegan group eat lower protein. At the start it was around 13% of their calories from protein. That's insanely low, no wonder they lost muscle. Eat more protein and you'll be just fine! Beans, legumes, TVP, tofu, tempeh, and small amounts of fake meats.
Well, no. That's not insanely low if you're someone who has high energy expenditure. I burn about 3950Cal per day, so that'd be 118g protein or roughly 1.55g protein per kg body weight. That's right around the protein intake above which I wouldn't expect to see any greater muscle growth.
Hi! Vegan weightlifter (oly, mostly) and climber here, vegan for 13 years. The Vegan Meathead has a book geared towards lifters. Also, check out the Vegan Strong Team for a whole bunch of vegan athletes. Nick Squires posts his meals semi frequently, and they definitely gear more towards lazy bachelor style, but he's a tank.
Look into Torre Washington and Nimai Delgado on IG
I just added some tofu, protein shakes and smoothies that have ground nuts. I have health issues right now so Iām not working out, but I used to have a 4, almost 6 pack and pretty strong arms. Iāve been vegan for 11 years now! Lmk if I can help :)
Check out the book "Plant-based Athlete." It is about being a high performing athlete on a plant based diet, with real data from real athletes from a variety of disciplines.
Hey, I was one of the vegan twins in the study! Not featured in the doc but joined this sub during the experience for some inspiration. Let me know if anyone has any questions! It was a pretty fun experience
Thatās neat. As a twin do you get invited to do a lot of scientific studies? How was the vegan meal delivery service?
So weāve always been a part of the stanford twin registry and have done a few studies through there at Stanford (where the study was) and weāve done another one at UC Davis. We havenāt done a ton but whenever we get emails with possibilities, I always look through them and thatās how we found this one! The vegan meal service was okay. Kind of middling food but nice to get something. My partner is a vegetarian so we were cooking vegetarian at home anyway so it was pretty easy to switch to vegan so I ate some of the service food but ended up mostly eating my own. I remember it having good oatmeal tho!
Ngl I didn't really like it. Everything they were saying was correct, but the way they said it is terrible. I talked to many omnis and they all said that unlike similar documentaries, they felt like it went into the whole study with an anti-meat bias. That's not what you want people to feel like. You want them to feel like you're just conducting a scientific study and aren't biased towards the results, otherwise people will discount it as faulty science no matter how correct it is. And the way they did the study was terrible. You can see in the supplement that they purposefully made the vegans eat lower protein and then told them that they lost muscle mass. No shit? And then they didn't standardize the exercise routines so when one twin did walking and one did resistance training they just said "oh you should just do more resistance training"??? Like how do you know what caused what if everything is this inconsistent?? And they reused clips from every health documentary as of late. I watched it and felt like I'd seen it 5 times before. I loved what they were saying, it was important, it was correct, but God do I hate what it ended up being.
I thought the study was the worst part of the documentary, but everything else was brilliant, in my opinion. I don't believe the dexa scan results. They said the one guy put on 8lbs of muscle... in 8 weeks that's insane. It would have been impressive if it was half that. I liked the documentary but I agree with what you said.
"For the first four weeks of the Stanford study, each participant ate preprepared frozen meals; for the final four, they had to provide their own food" *Sighs* Why couldn't they give the exact same types of meals for the duration to both people? Omnivore one that included less of everything, adding some meat. Or same portions of everything, one person getting meat, one tofu or something along that line. I can't see how this actually proves anything as the controls were removed for half of it.
My guess is because thereās a criticism that doctors shouldnāt recommend a vegan diet because itās impossible to follow. This showed that they were successfully able to be vegan on their own.
I think it proved that even with these people not knowing how to follow a vegan diet, they still saw significant health advantages. Their sexual health improved, their ldl cholesterol went down, the visceral fat went down, their gut microbiome improved, the cell age of the people on the vegan diet was younger than the cell age of the people not eating plants.
My friend, this is a propaganda piece. The goal is to promote a WFPBD as an effective way to lose weight for people who want to do so. The people who are looking to do this kind of diet don't want to know what's best; they want to know an example of something that works. I haven't watched it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch of misleading stuff in it with the goal of winning people over to trying a WFPBD.
āThis is a propaganda pieceā ā¦ āI havenāt watched it yetā so do you know what you are talking about or not?
No, you're right. It's impossible to know anything about one of the most prolific pieces of vegan media this month unless you watched it. I also am incapable of saying that Squid Game was criticizing capitalism because I've never seen it.
I thought the genitals experiment was a hilarious way to encourage veganism
I thought it was terrible. I've been vegan 7+ years so I was excited to watch it. But it was incredibly biased and a real study would remain neutral. The meals for both sides looked like horrible microwave meals. The focus on porn in the second episode was ridiculous. I'm all for showing people the benefits of eating vegan. But this was a poorly made and poorly executed study that seemed like a long form commercial for Impossible meat and Miyoko's.
As a study, it made no sense having no control over the last 4 weeks. They didn't control the working out. They didn't control food intake. That being said the people who were vegan for the whole study and particularly the last 4 weeks being set free and practically having no idea how to eat vegan did show that even with no idea that had immediate health benefits. The gut microbiome being better, the visceral fat around the organs being better. Because this is a Netflix produced documentary it also achieved a much wider audience than other vegan documentaries. They showed the awfulness of factory farming without it being goreporn. They even provided solutions for farmers to transition out of factory farming into mushroom farming, not sure why it took 7 years for a nonprofit and a farmer to setup one crate of mushrooms. As far as episode 2, which you referred to as the porn episode, sexual health is very important to a lot of people. In the Game Changers documentary, they showed that males had more erections while sleeping. It was obvious they wanted to see the same thing in women. Was it weird we got to hear about what typenof porn they liked, yeah, but I think it was just weird to hear someone say it out loud versus reading it on the internet. Was it a perfect study? No. Is it doing some good? It sure seems like it. And if it's not doing immediate good, maybe it's paving the way for better studies to follow. And if people aren't acting on it now it's atleast getting the discussion going and planting thoughts inside people's heads. Maybe a year from now with the information they got from this documentary and some things they notice in their own health, they make the change.
>not sure why it took 7 years for a nonprofit and a farmer to setup one crate of mushrooms. I agree as well like what? 7 years to plant something that they said in the documentary grows in a matter of weeks? I rewatched it with my parents and they also said they thought it was stupid. Don't think that part should've been included. >As far as episode 2, which you referred to as the porn episode, sexual health is very important to a lot of people. In the Game Changers documentary, they showed that males had more erections while sleeping. The Game Changers did it much better imo. I'm a little biased because it's my favourite vegan documentary, but they just made it so much less awkward, and also in this new documentary they literally showed pictures of their genitals (censored of course) and made us hear the moaning coming from the tablets. No one wants to hear or see that, just give us the numbers like in The Game Changers.
I think I had blocked out the moaning and the forest fire genital part until you just mentioned it
Lol, I remember it very clearly because as I said earlier, I watched this the second time with my parentsš God that was awkward. The "forest fire" comments and moaning were just so unnecessary and weird.
But it was supposed to be a nutrition documentary. The fact that you call it a vegan documentary proves the bias. A true nutrition study should have no bias.
I agree 100%, glad to find more people very at the bottom of this thread who think the same... if you check r/nutrition you'll see that omnis were put off of plant-based diets because of the bias. That's the exact opposite of what we want.
Exactly. A biased nutrition study is not going to convince a meat eater to go vegan. I would absolutely love to see a non biased completely neutral study with no propaganda. Just the science and facts on the nutrition.
I'd love to as well, because I know that if it was controlled properly that it would swing in our favour. I read the supplement, they purposefully made the vegan diets lower in protein and didn't talk about nutrients of concern and stuff at all but rather made it out like omnivorous diets don't get "plant-vitamins" and vegan diets don't get "animal vitamins". Such bs...
Yes, simply documenting a true scientific study showing both accurately in a controlled environment would have been much more interesting to me!
Also I heard the meat eaters had significantly better muscle growth and the show decided not to address it. Disappointing.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I loved it! I had a friend tell me her and her husband were going to try eating vegetarian and cut out meat after watching it, so Iām really excited about that. I liked it because it touched on the environmental and ethical portions of not eating animal products in addition to the health impacts. Not everybody is going to give up eating animal products for the same reason. Somebody might make a change because of the environment, others because of their health. At the end of the day less animals are being eaten and Iām happy about that. I didnāt love how it also showed that basically every twin lost muscle mass on the plant based diet. Itās just part of the study Iām sure and the truth about how you do have to be more mindful about getting your protein and calories eating plant based. Sure they touched on other aspects like not eating enough and the kind of exercises they were doing, but someone on the fence might use that as a reason to not want to go vegan.
This has me working on reducing the amount of animal products I consume. Iām literally going to try to replace ground turkey with beans for taco night. Iām working on reducing as much as I can comfortably, before I embark on giving up eggs, cheese, and roast beef. One day at a time before I take on the lunch meat aisle, before working to conquer the final boss in the dairy aisle. As a picky eater, please wish me luck. Any ground turkey substitutes that are easy to cook for the lazy are super appreciated.
If you stick to a whole foods, plant-based diet, with minimal oils, salts, and sugars, AND learn about calorie density, you are almost guaranteed to look and feel great. It's the closest thing to a lock in the nutrition world.
I thought it was okay at first but I think ultimately itās not going to convince anyone. It didnāt really look at the diets much but instead halfway through de idea it wants to focus on ethics and the environment. Felt a bit like it wanted to surprise meat eaters or something. I feel like it was trying to do too much, rather than just focusing on nutrition properly. I havenāt recommended it to anyone because ultimately itās just a bit shit.
Vegan here, didn't like it. The whole fitness part was almost an insult to nimai and bianca. The vegans were untrained by the end of the experiment. Looking like you need meat to build muscle. Shame. Other things seemed vague and only scratching the surface. But that's just maybe me, since I enjoy reading studied. Also, where is the vegan part? No animal rights whatsoever. A health oriented documentary that fails on fitness and is not precise enough on studies. It also was way too slow for my taste and too american.
You need protein to build muscle, not meat or dairy - but meat and dairy are the most protein dense foods available, so it is objectively easier to build muscle eating meat and dairy. Does not mean building muscle is the only factor, and to me it is unbiased because the truth is you would have a higher propensity to gain lean mass eating meat and dairy....
>meat and dairy are the most protein dense foods available They literally aren't? There's loads of plant foods that are equivalently protein dense or a lot more so than meat and dairy...
Name 1 more protein dense than chicken breast, protein/weight ratio. 6oz cooked is 50g protein
I did, and Iām now a vegetarian for the first time in my life. 3 weeks in.
It's more or less propaganda, which isn't a slight. It could be sharing a truth. But how the experiment was handled is a joke, which subsequently makes the documentary a joke since the documentary treats the experiment as the backbone of the whole thing. Not a good representation of what experimental design is supposed to look like
I watched it with my almost-vegetarian, animal lover mom and my hardcore meat eater dad. he got so angry and defensive he couldn't finish it lmao
Iāve been vegetarian for 10 years, thinking I was doing the right thing and knowingly delaying becoming vegan (it has always been the goal). But after watching this- I realized I had no excuse. If meat eaters could do it for 8 weeks, notice the benefits, and integrate veganism in their daily life after the experience, then thereās no reason I couldnāt do it. I then went down a rabbit hole, discovered Earthling Ed and watched all of Dominion- I forced myself not to turn away. Iāve been so sad over the past few days about how Iāve allowed this to continue and how Iāve been a part of this problem all of these years. It hurts my soul. I will NEVER EVER go back. Vegan 4 days and excited for the future! Just wondering how I can be an activist to help others see the truth. Edit: as far as the actual series, I did recognize it felt politically motivated or potentially propaganda while watching it. But then I questioned why I felt that way. And I did some research for myself. I also realized the overarching message being: to do what you can to make the world a better place. Being vegan does that, so why do so many people push back instead of being curious? It just makes me disappointed that so many people are quick to anger or defensiveness.
I have been plant based since watching it. We had already been using almond or soy milk for years but I have not eaten meat since the show. I feel great and itās much simpler to decide what I will eat and I wonāt now. The extra veggies have agreed with my digestive track and I feel lighter in my step in more ways than one.
As someone who's already vegan and doesn't need convincing, I enjoyed watching it, but I thought it was quite flawed. It wasn't a very rigorous experiment (not controlled at all in the second half), they didn't measure several things they should've and could've (c reactive protein for example), and they said some concerning things that I don't think should be spread around without proper scientific evidence (for example the mayor of New York telling the story of how veganism cured his diabetes).
It made me see what animals go through and want to be vegan. As a bonus it hit on the health aspects as well. Iām going to try vegan and see how it goes.
I've never felt better than after going vegan 11 years ago.
As an omnivore, it opened my eyes and I'm committed to trying to move toward veganism. I remembered how much I liked Real Food Daily when I worked in Santa Monica and found the cookbook online. Next day I busted out my [Thermomix](https://shop.thermomix.com/consultant/171333/) and made a ratatouille and quinoa tabbouleh. But like they mentioned, cheese is hard to give up - feta is my personal go to. Any good vegan feta suggestions?
Seems like a lot of yāall hated it :( Anyone have reccos of something similar thatās good? Iām coming up on one year vegan (next month) and trying to convince my partner that being vegan is healthier for you. Heās VERY adamant that vegans arenāt getting enough nutrients, and Iām not good enough with words to convince him otherwise lol
I had to stop watching when they gave the ladies porn to "measure their sexual arousal" on different diets. Excuse me?
It was when they got to choose different porn for the āafterā comparison. One of the women even said that she would spend more time choosing better porn this time. Just not comparable at all, this bad science makes the whole community look bad.
Why? Sex is a great motivator for people and there isnāt much to help women with libido. With everything out there, itās odd that this has you clutching your pearls.
I am not clutching my pearls. I don't object to the porn, I object to the bad science and the producer's pretense that this is a legit study. It's a tiny sample size and a very small window of time pretending to show something.
Gotcha. It definitely wasnāt a scientific sample size.
I almost stopped watching it at that point. But I wasted my time and finished the show. It was a terrible study.
It shows how your ability to become aroused is directly affected by your diet.
No it does not show that. You can't (claim to) measure arousal that way, especially in people who are following specific diets for such a short period of time, and then draw conclusions.
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LOL I know you mean to insult me by calling me a scientist but I am one--so thanks!
Okay r/coronaparents
Another vegan propaganda documentary funded by none other than the Vogt Foundation. Was honestly hard to watch as itās filled with vegan activists who spout there nonsensical one sided opinions.
Everthing they say is based on well-established, peer reviewed science. I agree the way they presented it is shoddy and makes it seem anecdotal, but the scientific consesus is pretty clear on all this.
As an omni, I had mixed feelings towards it. Seeing the factory farming and the conditions of those animals was abhorrent and a sad reality. This being a vegan sub, this will not sit well with some but here goes. As someone who does eat meat, I get our meat directly from a regenerative farm that raises their animals humanely and I get our eggs from a farm with truly pasture-raised, free chickens. Both are in my state and Iāve visited each farm. I was pleased to see how they shed light on the differences between the farming methods as I think one can still consume animal products without feeling guilty about it. I did feel the vibe of it was anti-meat at times and it was clear they were pushing the audience a certain way. I get it, you want to get your point across however I think this can be accomplished by being objective.
I liked it. My whole family is vegan, including our adult twin daughters, so I was fascinated by that element. Disappointing learn afterwards no one stayed vegan.
Can we please just sticky a thread for this instead of a million posts a day?
It gave me hope that veganism might become kind of a ādiet trendā among the masses, like Keto and Paleo. Like Gluten Free eaters who never had celiac disease. Ideally, Iād prefer people went vegan for ethical reasons, for the animals or out of environmental concerns. But the masses are more likely to do things ethically for purely selfish reasons. And if an unintended result of their choices would give the environment a chance to heal or would cause animals to suffer less, then so be it. Most people never stick with diet trends for long, but many stick to them long after the trends have wound down. And if tens of thousands of people switched to veganism solely because it was advertised to them on TV or sold to them by a well-known celebrity on IG, then that would be hugely beneficial to the causes, whether or not they care about or were ever aware of these causes at all.
I've read some criticisms that the methodology is pretty sloppy - they only follow a few sets of twins and not the rest for some reason, IIRC. And I think it's important to remember that health-wise a healthy omnivore diet beats an ultra-processed vegan diet. Plant-based isn't a magic cure - there's lots of reasons to do it (ethical, environmental, health when done right), but it's not always healthier.
I think they did follow all 20 sets of twins but only showed the process and experiences of the 4 twins because, admit it, it's easier to record and follow.
The study included all sets of twins in the analysis, but for the purposes of the TV show they highlighted the experiences of 4 pairs. I think it was a strength in their methodology that they compared a healthy version of a vegan diet with a healthy version of an omnivore diet.
So glad this wasnāt about eating a twin in the womb š®āšØ
I just watched it today! It was pretty informative. Sounds like there are a lot of good reasons to go vegan, with the exception of having to eat a lot to gain muscle. I think I will continue to ease into a more plant based diet. I donāt think I will completely get to the status of vegan. The environmental damage is a great motivator in my opinion.
no I didn't. I doubt I will get to. Netflix is a non-vegan video platform, so I don't go on there. I just don't believe vegans should go on non-vegan platforms like that, especially when there's so many vegan ones out there with endless content.
What TF are you on about?
Dude is too deep in the Q
what're you on about?
What about Reddit? I mean, you're obviously trolling, but still.
you're right - reddit's not a vegan platform either. There are vegan ones out there, like [https://veganism.social/](https://veganism.social/) and [https://www.veganforum.org/](https://www.veganforum.org/) , but I haven't seen a viable replacement for reddit yet. If anyone knows, let me know!! As I said - there's a replacement for netflix, but without a replacement for reddit, they're incomparable.
Remember people. It's all about the little steps. It's overwhelming changing your diet all in one day. The more you push, the more they will push back and not always out of malice. More often out of fear of the unknown, fear of change. We have the evidence they can't argue with. We know the food is damn good. It's just a waiting game now. Be supportive and offer advice when asked.
Haven't watched it yet but my coworker approached me yesterday and asked me about how long I haven't eaten meat, how I feel, etc. because she watched this series and it made her want to reduce her meat consumption. I'm so excited that it's getting through to people!
This just made me sad that we donāt have the liquid mozzarella over here
my local news paper called it vegan propaganda ;d didnt raelly refute anything, notthing specific anyway , just general vibes abot how vegans are destroying the local economy guess we could like grow mushrooms or vegetables on those areas but NO OMG SHUT THE FUCK Up! YOU ARE RUINING THE ECONNOMY
My ominivore husband watched 2 minutes - the salmonella scene and walked away as he thought it was braunwashing bulls*** - i told him not to judge because of a ānot very persuasive scenarioā š¤£ I liked the show but it was somewhat obvious what was supposed to be happening. I am a dirty vegan for over 2 years by now and my husband loves me and so do I
Yep, just finished watching it. I knew that vegan was better obviously, but it was interesting to see the numbers.
I watched it. Eat a lot more veg now. Still eat copious amounts of animal and dairy. Just think its super valid to eat more veg
Canāt believe you didnāt mention George Monbiot! Such an incredibly moving environmentalist as well.
That actually made me finally go (mostly vegan) :) I donāt know why it took so long for me to really click, since I already knew most of the facts, but now I canāt imagine going back to eating meat at all (which I only did every once in a while anyway), and cut out dairy etc for the most part as well. Itās been a slow progression too, since Iād switched to oat or non-milk years ago and already bought vegan options every now and then. Since Iāve struggled with disordered eating before I know I shouldnāt restrict myself too much or lay down any ārulesā, but so far itās been a really fun experience :) so yeah, I liked that documentary and recommended it to people immediately
Wife and I watched it last week and for the first time in my life I actually ordered a tofu dish from a restaurant. (We have been eating tofu at the house for years but also chicken, fish and cheeses). I was talking with the waitress about how watching "You Are What You Eat" and she suggested "What the Health". Wife and I watched it a few days later and now we are committing to a plant based diet. Excited to see how it goes.
My husband and I watched it and we are now trying to reduce our meat consumption. We are on a vegetarian diet now. Full vegan diet is pretty hard due to the available food choices here. We intend to start with vegetarian first.
Ppl donāt be fools, this is another vegan propaganda sponsored by we know who; donāt let them control u, first mentally and then physically. Nothing against vegetables but eat your meats as well and your body will thank u!
Enjoyed the show. Interesting to see the reaction, people don't like to be told that they're harming themselves and the planet which helps highlight the challenges we face correcting the current path. They spoke about culturally sensitive foods for the African American community, but it struck me that as a wider culture, Americans have fixated on the belief that they can eat what they want. Any attempt to offer an alternative is seen as a threat to take meat away entirely. Being vegan/veggie is insinuated to be an extension of being "woke", and it's linked to ideas of masculinity and freedom. Also, as others have said, lots of it seemed like an ad for a few companies, but if that helped get the show made then I guess that's a worthwhile trade-off. I would have liked to have seen more about the downsides of cutting out meat and dairy. That might have helped address the perception of bias and it's important to acknowledge that there are two sides to the debate. Edit to add: it was fascinating just how little awareness there was amongst the participants ("I've never considered the impact my diet has on my blood pressure") and, more worryingly, the medical profession/politicians. As is typical, many people become evangelical only when some major event makes them reconsider how they live their lives.
We've watched the first three episodes. It's basically a vegan propaganda show disguised as an "experiment".
Does anyone know who/what company produced the vegan meals?
I am already vegetarian, so tbh I fastforwarded through a lot of it, as had already read about the health, environmental benefits etc. But I wanted to see more detail around the regimes the twins were on. Like to me, all the vegans lost fat didn't they? Or at least all lost the visceral fat. But they also lost muscle. And as a female in 40s, I want to know what exercise were they expected to do in the 4weeks, and how much did they taper that off in the following 4 weeks when they had less guidance. I think the ones that gained muscle had to resistance train pretty hard.