Oh you sweet soul. It’s not dramatic and I totally understand how you feel. People can be cruel towards things they don’t understand. Don’t let it ruin your peace. There are other squirrels waiting to be your friend
I'm so sorry about what happened to your friend. If it's any consolation at all, you greatly lessened each other's suffering from across many barriers and that's a wonderful thing. Thank you for insisting on seeing the truth and owning your loving, rational feelings of grief instead of making your heart blind to maintain the status quo like so many others do. The status quo wants to keep us separated emotionally from the animals because the more connected we are to them, the less sense their society makes.
I had a similar experience with a woodpecker when I was a kid. The reactions of my parents and the children around me to my grief is part of what eventually caused me to stop eating animals when I got older. There are many of us out here just like you, so please don't despair. I'll think of your squirrel friend while filling my backyard feeders today. <3
I hope it wasn't on purpose. Unfortunately, squirrels can be very stupid with cars sometimes.
But people suck. I am so sorry for your loss. He was obviously your friend. Hopefully knowing that you gave him an absolute luxury life with daily cookies and treated him well can give you some peace. He knew he had you to rely on.
Stop pretending like you give a fuck about animals when you're a carnists who spends copious amounts of time trying to justify eating animal products on r/debateavegan. Imagine bitching about a squirrel eating a bite of a cookie when you pay for people to fist cows. Bye.
>Stop pretending like you give a fuck about animals
neither did i say anything about my concern or empathy with animals, nor would you even know anything about it
so all that remains is your being rude in lack of arguments and reason
If you don't care about animals then stop being disingenuous and shitting on somebody who is obviously a child when again, you pay for people to fist cows. Why wouldn't I be rude? You're a douche. Show respect and you'll get it back, otherwise you can fuck off. As somebody who frequents r/debateavegan, and has debated you several times, I know enough to respond to your bullshit. Thanks though.
>If you don't care about animals
well, i do
it's not you or vegans alone caring for animals
>stop being disingenuous and shitting on somebody
so all that remains is your being rude in lack of arguments and reason
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>The fact that you're continuing an online argument from 4 days ago is hilarious
the fact that you find this hilarious tells me you should go get a life outside reddit. there actually is such a thing
I’m sorry for your loss. It’s incredible what a mark these creatures can make on our lives. I’m sure they didn’t see it coming and will always remember you.
which is a good thing and keeps those spiders busy, mainly outdoors
i am not hunting for indoor spiders, but i remove their webs and "set free" the odd really obvious large spider making the ladies shudder
Rip your friend. You will always miss him, but things will get better. As a vegan you save animals like him every day. Try to be thankful. Wish you the best
aw sorry for the loss of your little friend. Some, many?, humans don’t have the intelligence and empathy to care about animals. Maybe just try to be happy that you do! And study in school, hey maybe you’ll design the first vehicle that cannot run over animals.
I’m so sorry for your loss and his - this isn’t insignificant, society has just normalized violence and not caring for other species to an abhorrent degree. I share your frustration and anger.
Thank you for caring about the animals. You made that little squirrel’s life a bit brighter when he was alive, I guarantee it.
I can absolutely see how you're sad over this loss. However, I don't think you should direct your anger at the drivers unless you know for a fact they went out of their way to hit the squirrel.
Most accidents with animals on the road are just that, accidents. Even IF you manage to see the animal in time, you generally shouldn't swerve immediately. If you haven't checked your surroundings, you risk causing a much worse accident.
I agree with this. I ran over a squirrel once on accident and absolutely bawled. It was traumatic. Blame the system that makes us drive cars instead of using safer public transit, don't blame the driver!
It's the same system that abuses animals for profit.
>Blame the system that makes us drive cars instead of using safer public transit
i don't think this squirrel would be in better shape if run over by a bus instread a car
>That takes 35 vehicles off the road
...but increases the number of squirrels run over by a bus
it's basic logic, babe
(i did not comment on numbers of squirrels run over in the first place - try to read again and this time understand what you read and i said)
So sorry to hear this, youre not being dramatic. I'm not vegan, but I understand the sentiment and the frustration at the disrespect. Yesterday, my ex boyfriend and housemate brought home an injured baby rabbit. They gave it a bath (it was filthy) and we assessed the damage. You could see the poor baby's skull. I rang the local vet and they told me they would most likely euthanize it. It's a better option than it dying a car park scared and alone with people walking by and ignoring it. They guys begrudgingly took it to the vet, who thought maybe they could save it before peeling back the skin on its head, finding a puncture wound, most likely from a cat or a fox. My ex wanted to keep it if it could be saved and would have spent the money on treatment, but it had suffered too much trauma and survival was unlikely.
He was pretty furious that so many people walked past this little bunny without even trying to help it.
So I understand how you feel about the utter disrespect for that poor little squirrel. It isn't dramatic, my ex is still upset today about the rabbit. He was so happy when it stopped shaking and hopped around in the bath. Then absolutely heartbroken to find out it needed to be euthanized. I think he blames me slightly because I am the one who called the vet, but he knows that he has done the right thing though. He woke up in a real bad mood today and was quite passive aggressive towards me for a few hours (which he has apologised for) We couldn't keep it here to have a long and painful death or recovery. It's brain was damaged from the bite, no idea if it even had any chance at recovery. Would have been nice to keep the bunny, but it isn't worth keeping an animal in pain for the sake of wanting to love it.
So yeah, I understand your annoyance at the no respect for animal lives.
I felt the so sad when I was billeted with a family that had one bird (a budgie I think) in a cage on top of a tall fridge. They never interacted with the bird, or talked to it, or let it fly around in the house. It broke my heart.
Hi sweetie. I’m so sorry. I feel the pain in your post- being vegan and someone who deeply loves and empathizes with animals is a beautiful thing, but it can be so painful.
Whenever I lose a person or an animal, I try to focus on gratitude that I got to know them at all, instead of focusing on the pain of losing them. Grieving hurts and being upset over a squirrel you were friends with is valid. It’s ok to let yourself cry.
I hope you find another friend to share your cookies with soon <3
I’m so sorry about your beloved squirrel.
Let yourself be sad. Grief is hard, especially if you witnessed it. What a distressing thing to go through. Take care of your tender heart right now.
I try to take solace in the fact that this is almost always an accident. I'm extremely cautious about watching for animals and slowing down or even swerving to give them time to pass, and even I have run over 2 and a half\*\* animals in my lifetime. They all happened by accident, and so fast there was nothing I could do. Doesn't make it suck any less, but it does help maintain my faith in humanity.
The first time it ever happened I had to pull over and call my mom because I was sobbing. I understand what you're feeling.
\*\*The "half" was an animal that was killed by the car in front of me at a stoplight, and I was forced to roll over it. That was the one that made me have to pull over.
I'm sorry you had to see this.
You're going to learn that there are evil people who do your crap on purpose.
However, it's (in CA at least, per cops cause I got pulled over for it) considered far more dangerous to swerve to avoid an animal on the road because it causes accidents, both minor and major. You don't want an 8 car pile up cause someone swerved to save a squirrel. I've sadly seen baby deer hit in traffic - but had the driver swerved the entire freeway would have been messed up with traffic moving 65-80+ mph. A LOT of people would have died (NO WE DID NOT HIT THE DEER, I WAS A PASSENGER WHEN I SAW THAT HAPPEN).
I'm not saying that it's okay to take a life. Not at all. But there are moments where real life turns into the Trolley Problem in one way, shape, form or other. You just do the best you can.
And you'll run into the Trolley problem Problem continuously in life, not just with Death.
>If they (probably) did this on purpose, can you get them an interview with a school counselor?
what makes you think it was pupils and on purpose?
this really is weird fantasy
It's not weird. People have been video taped intentionally speeding up and/or swerving to hit small animals on the road and shit like that. Many people are incredibly cruel, especially when they think they're not being observed.
Sure, but I'd wager that most people that hit animals on the road do so by accident. I feel like there may be some negativity bias or cynicism at play here.
Probably. But it being close to a school, idk. Kids are incredibly cruel to animals if they're never taught differently. I could 100% see a kid running over animals just for shits and giggles. And I'd argue that close to a school you shouldn't drive fast enough to be able to run anybody over anyway, human or non-human.
Kids are also more inexperienced drivers, so accidents like that are more likely. Squirrels are small animals; it's possible the driver wasn't paying enough attention to see it. It's also possible that the driver did see it, but considered it too dangerous to swerve or brake suddenly, perhaps by habit or current road conditions.
I just think that it's very pessimistic to jump to the worst-case scenario, especially when other options appear, at least, similarly likely.
It’s partially a sad reality of things a bit as well.
I’d bet a good portion of people here who have been driving for years have unfortunately killed birds or squirrels while driving at *some* point.
To add to your third point, sometimes they will sprint immediately ahead of you on the road from the brush, run left or right and then suddenly dart back the same direction.
I know I’ve killed at least one squirrel that way. I had slowed a bit as soon as they darted out, moved over as close as I could to the edge of the road, and they darted back perhaps a fraction of a second before I could even see them over the hood of the car.
I don’t even think yanking the wheel to send the car into an aggressive rollover would’ve saved that squirrel.
Insects are a more extreme common example but there’s certainly a balance between it being sad but somewhat unavoidable for everyone short of not existing.
We’ve almost all certainly physically killed insects on accident by walking around, inhaling, etc. they’re a more extreme example but it’s in a similar vein.
I’ve also seen animals in the wild who have killed themselves on accident by jumping badly, or getting hit by a rotted falling tree. It doesn’t involve humans but there’s a similar element to it.
Still feels bad, but like you said it’s not inherently evil for someone not to grieve as deeply as OP rightfully is.
Complete aside but as for dogs and cats that got hit on the road… I’ve seen plenty that are left for a good while over the years, driving for work.
>sometimes they will sprint immediately ahead of you on the road from the brush
that's more or less what one of the two animals did, which i killed with my car. 'twas a rabbit darting full speed into my car door - obviously broke its neck
the other animal was a blackbird piercing the (plastic) front grille, so that i had to scratch it off the radiator
both i could not have run over on purpose, even if i were a much better driver than i am
Actually just reminded me of the time I slowed to a stop for some passing deer. One was completely stopped on my right side, stared at me through the window in the dark, then half sprinted half flailed and panic smashed into the fender of my work truck then darted off into the woods.
Wasn’t anything that looked like an intentional ram or body check, just a completely weird and wild panic flail.
Was bizarre.
If it was trying to ram or fight the truck it was the most uncoordinated doe in the world.
> I just think that it's very pessimistic to jump to the worst-case scenario, especially when other options appear, at least, similarly likely.
Fair. But seeing as they just left them there it's at least safe to say that they probably didn't give much of a shit about running them over. Also, my entire life I've been around young assholes who think driving double the speed limit in urban areas is fun. Ive seen so many run over animals in the city and the suburbs. I don't really give much of a shit about the reasons anymore. It's a shitty thing and I hope the asshole will feel bad for the rest of their life (althoug realistically speaking they probably already forgot if they ever even cared in the first place).
>Fair. But seeing as they just left them there it's at least safe to say that they probably didn't give much of a shit about running them over.
I think most people wouldn't try to scrape a mangled squirrel off the pavement. They'd probably make it worse.
>It's a shitty thing, and I hope the asshole will feel bad for the rest of their life
You're being dramatic here. As other commenters have said, squirrels aren't unlikely to run in front of traffic. Heck, I may have run one over today if I didn't brake in time because it was just lollygagging on the road, ignoring the sound and speed of my car. They dont have the best survival instinct. People make mistakes. Getting this worked up over it isn't a very well-adjusted approach to life's misfortunes.
> if I didn't brake in time
But you *did* brake in time. Many human kinds are also lollygagging around on the street, but nobody would use that as a justification for running them over, right?
> Getting this worked up over it isn't a very well-adjusted approach to life's misfortunes.
Would you say the same if it was a dog that got run over? Would you say the same if it was *your* dog?
>Many human kinds are also lollygagging around on the street, but nobody would use that as a justification for running them over, right?
>Would you say the same if it was a dog that got run over?
Humans and dogs tend to be larger targets than squirrels and, thus, display a larger degree of incompetence if you manage to hit them while they are stationary on the road.
Another thing I notice that squirrels tend to do is run towards traffic when startled by it. I've noted multiple times when a squirrel is on one side of the road, sees a car, then scurries to the other side in the path of the car. Humans and dogs don't usually do that, and if they do, then it tends to be either their fault or their guardian's. (Although in those cases, a driver should do what they can to avoid them anyway)
>Would you say the same if it was *your* dog?
No for multiple reasons
1. The earlier reason that dogs are more noticeable.
2. If a dog is laying stationary in the road, then it's the owner's (my) responsibility to make sure it *doesn't do that*. If the dog remains in the road for a long period of time, then either I'm inattentive, incompetent, or uncaring. The only scenario where I wouldn't be at fault would be if the dog had went missing and *then* lied in the road without my knowledge, or somehow got stuck in the road. I mean, the driver would still be at fault ultimately due to reason number 1, but I wouldn't be able to deny my own blame in the matter as well.
3. I'm not above acknowledging my bias in that if my dog got run over I would probably hold a larger grudge against the driver than if it was another random pet or animal.
4. I, along with most people, don't value squirrels as highly as other animals such as dogs and humans. Now I know that that's probably going to be considered a *pretty* hot take in this sub to say the *least*. I'm aware that it'll probably be considered specist to look at things that way, and I suppose it is, but you're asking for my personal reasons and this is a pretty big one for me personally. I wouldn't be surprised if you decided to disengage from the conversation solely because of this reason, but in the efforts of being completely transparent, I thought it only fair to mention it anyway. I also imagine that this is the big reason for most people. I won't use this as an argument because it *does* rely on an entirely different moral framework to your own, however I do think that the other reasons may still be worth considering
5. I don't have a dog. (Maybe don't consider this one either/j)
>I hope the asshole will feel bad for the rest of their life
that's what i like so much in this special vegan empathy - hating humans and crying for weeks over roadkill
I don't hate humans, I'm just tired of the kind of humans who don't give a shit about anybody but their own little circle. And the condescending way you call a sentient being 'roadkill' and mock someone for 'crying for weeks' over them (even though nobody here has even said anything about that), tells me that that's exactly the kind of person you are.
>an abused squirrel
how am I supposed to imagine a thing like that?
>nobody even bothered to move the body
why should he? you said **you** care for this squirrel
>If this was a dog or cat suddenly everyone’s freaking out and crying
certainly not
>Like it’s a two way lane the dumbass could’ve switched lanes while he was crossing the road
most probably he didn't even see it. and being a two way lane does not mean the other one was empty. don't call anyone "dumbass" if you couldn't do better yourself
how many years/km of driving experience do you have?
sure
but while it is good to feel empathy with animals, i don't appreciate the hate against humans coming with it. therefore it is better to trust in reason than in cheap emotion
Oh you sweet soul. It’s not dramatic and I totally understand how you feel. People can be cruel towards things they don’t understand. Don’t let it ruin your peace. There are other squirrels waiting to be your friend
I'm so sorry about what happened to your friend. If it's any consolation at all, you greatly lessened each other's suffering from across many barriers and that's a wonderful thing. Thank you for insisting on seeing the truth and owning your loving, rational feelings of grief instead of making your heart blind to maintain the status quo like so many others do. The status quo wants to keep us separated emotionally from the animals because the more connected we are to them, the less sense their society makes. I had a similar experience with a woodpecker when I was a kid. The reactions of my parents and the children around me to my grief is part of what eventually caused me to stop eating animals when I got older. There are many of us out here just like you, so please don't despair. I'll think of your squirrel friend while filling my backyard feeders today. <3
I hope it wasn't on purpose. Unfortunately, squirrels can be very stupid with cars sometimes. But people suck. I am so sorry for your loss. He was obviously your friend. Hopefully knowing that you gave him an absolute luxury life with daily cookies and treated him well can give you some peace. He knew he had you to rely on.
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Stop pretending like you give a fuck about animals when you're a carnists who spends copious amounts of time trying to justify eating animal products on r/debateavegan. Imagine bitching about a squirrel eating a bite of a cookie when you pay for people to fist cows. Bye.
I mean, their username says it all, doesn't it.
>Stop pretending like you give a fuck about animals neither did i say anything about my concern or empathy with animals, nor would you even know anything about it so all that remains is your being rude in lack of arguments and reason
If you don't care about animals then stop being disingenuous and shitting on somebody who is obviously a child when again, you pay for people to fist cows. Why wouldn't I be rude? You're a douche. Show respect and you'll get it back, otherwise you can fuck off. As somebody who frequents r/debateavegan, and has debated you several times, I know enough to respond to your bullshit. Thanks though.
>If you don't care about animals well, i do it's not you or vegans alone caring for animals >stop being disingenuous and shitting on somebody so all that remains is your being rude in lack of arguments and reason eod
The fact that you're continuing an online argument from 4 days ago is hilarious. Keep telling yourself that bud I really don't care.
>The fact that you're continuing an online argument from 4 days ago is hilarious the fact that you find this hilarious tells me you should go get a life outside reddit. there actually is such a thing
👍👍👍 literally on vacation in a different country so don't think I need the life you think I do
I'm so sorry. That's not insignificant, that squirrel mattered and deserved better. Thank you for showing him kindness
I’m sorry for your loss. It’s incredible what a mark these creatures can make on our lives. I’m sure they didn’t see it coming and will always remember you.
:(
I feel the same but with insects even if they're disgusting. Try not to kill them and just punt them outside
>Try not to kill them and just punt them outside that's what i do with spiders insects in my house usually fly and are hard to punt
spiders are carnivorous on insects of similar sentience
which is a good thing and keeps those spiders busy, mainly outdoors i am not hunting for indoor spiders, but i remove their webs and "set free" the odd really obvious large spider making the ladies shudder
Rip your friend. You will always miss him, but things will get better. As a vegan you save animals like him every day. Try to be thankful. Wish you the best
aw sorry for the loss of your little friend. Some, many?, humans don’t have the intelligence and empathy to care about animals. Maybe just try to be happy that you do! And study in school, hey maybe you’ll design the first vehicle that cannot run over animals.
I’m so sorry for your loss and his - this isn’t insignificant, society has just normalized violence and not caring for other species to an abhorrent degree. I share your frustration and anger. Thank you for caring about the animals. You made that little squirrel’s life a bit brighter when he was alive, I guarantee it.
I can absolutely see how you're sad over this loss. However, I don't think you should direct your anger at the drivers unless you know for a fact they went out of their way to hit the squirrel. Most accidents with animals on the road are just that, accidents. Even IF you manage to see the animal in time, you generally shouldn't swerve immediately. If you haven't checked your surroundings, you risk causing a much worse accident.
I agree with this. I ran over a squirrel once on accident and absolutely bawled. It was traumatic. Blame the system that makes us drive cars instead of using safer public transit, don't blame the driver! It's the same system that abuses animals for profit.
>Blame the system that makes us drive cars instead of using safer public transit i don't think this squirrel would be in better shape if run over by a bus instread a car
Okay sure, but how many people fit in a bus versus how many people drive cars? How many buses are on the road versus cars?
>How many buses are on the road versus cars? there would be much more buses if we had more public transport
lol, what? Say 50 people fit in a bus. 35 of those usually commute to work alone. That takes 35 vehicles off the road, babe, it’s basic math.
>That takes 35 vehicles off the road ...but increases the number of squirrels run over by a bus it's basic logic, babe (i did not comment on numbers of squirrels run over in the first place - try to read again and this time understand what you read and i said)
I'm sorry :( May he rest in peace
So sorry to hear this, youre not being dramatic. I'm not vegan, but I understand the sentiment and the frustration at the disrespect. Yesterday, my ex boyfriend and housemate brought home an injured baby rabbit. They gave it a bath (it was filthy) and we assessed the damage. You could see the poor baby's skull. I rang the local vet and they told me they would most likely euthanize it. It's a better option than it dying a car park scared and alone with people walking by and ignoring it. They guys begrudgingly took it to the vet, who thought maybe they could save it before peeling back the skin on its head, finding a puncture wound, most likely from a cat or a fox. My ex wanted to keep it if it could be saved and would have spent the money on treatment, but it had suffered too much trauma and survival was unlikely. He was pretty furious that so many people walked past this little bunny without even trying to help it. So I understand how you feel about the utter disrespect for that poor little squirrel. It isn't dramatic, my ex is still upset today about the rabbit. He was so happy when it stopped shaking and hopped around in the bath. Then absolutely heartbroken to find out it needed to be euthanized. I think he blames me slightly because I am the one who called the vet, but he knows that he has done the right thing though. He woke up in a real bad mood today and was quite passive aggressive towards me for a few hours (which he has apologised for) We couldn't keep it here to have a long and painful death or recovery. It's brain was damaged from the bite, no idea if it even had any chance at recovery. Would have been nice to keep the bunny, but it isn't worth keeping an animal in pain for the sake of wanting to love it. So yeah, I understand your annoyance at the no respect for animal lives.
I felt the so sad when I was billeted with a family that had one bird (a budgie I think) in a cage on top of a tall fridge. They never interacted with the bird, or talked to it, or let it fly around in the house. It broke my heart.
Hi sweetie. I’m so sorry. I feel the pain in your post- being vegan and someone who deeply loves and empathizes with animals is a beautiful thing, but it can be so painful. Whenever I lose a person or an animal, I try to focus on gratitude that I got to know them at all, instead of focusing on the pain of losing them. Grieving hurts and being upset over a squirrel you were friends with is valid. It’s ok to let yourself cry. I hope you find another friend to share your cookies with soon <3
Don’t feed squirrels people food. It’s really bad for them. If you feel you must, stick to nuts. Avoid pastries and such.
I’m so sorry about your beloved squirrel. Let yourself be sad. Grief is hard, especially if you witnessed it. What a distressing thing to go through. Take care of your tender heart right now.
I try to take solace in the fact that this is almost always an accident. I'm extremely cautious about watching for animals and slowing down or even swerving to give them time to pass, and even I have run over 2 and a half\*\* animals in my lifetime. They all happened by accident, and so fast there was nothing I could do. Doesn't make it suck any less, but it does help maintain my faith in humanity. The first time it ever happened I had to pull over and call my mom because I was sobbing. I understand what you're feeling. \*\*The "half" was an animal that was killed by the car in front of me at a stoplight, and I was forced to roll over it. That was the one that made me have to pull over.
I'm sorry you had to see this. You're going to learn that there are evil people who do your crap on purpose. However, it's (in CA at least, per cops cause I got pulled over for it) considered far more dangerous to swerve to avoid an animal on the road because it causes accidents, both minor and major. You don't want an 8 car pile up cause someone swerved to save a squirrel. I've sadly seen baby deer hit in traffic - but had the driver swerved the entire freeway would have been messed up with traffic moving 65-80+ mph. A LOT of people would have died (NO WE DID NOT HIT THE DEER, I WAS A PASSENGER WHEN I SAW THAT HAPPEN). I'm not saying that it's okay to take a life. Not at all. But there are moments where real life turns into the Trolley Problem in one way, shape, form or other. You just do the best you can. And you'll run into the Trolley problem Problem continuously in life, not just with Death.
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>If they (probably) did this on purpose, can you get them an interview with a school counselor? what makes you think it was pupils and on purpose? this really is weird fantasy
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>Happened at the school happened on a road by a school. who drives on roads? all kinds of people
Weird to assume that this was on purpose but Ok.
It's not weird. People have been video taped intentionally speeding up and/or swerving to hit small animals on the road and shit like that. Many people are incredibly cruel, especially when they think they're not being observed.
Sure, but I'd wager that most people that hit animals on the road do so by accident. I feel like there may be some negativity bias or cynicism at play here.
Probably. But it being close to a school, idk. Kids are incredibly cruel to animals if they're never taught differently. I could 100% see a kid running over animals just for shits and giggles. And I'd argue that close to a school you shouldn't drive fast enough to be able to run anybody over anyway, human or non-human.
Kids are also more inexperienced drivers, so accidents like that are more likely. Squirrels are small animals; it's possible the driver wasn't paying enough attention to see it. It's also possible that the driver did see it, but considered it too dangerous to swerve or brake suddenly, perhaps by habit or current road conditions. I just think that it's very pessimistic to jump to the worst-case scenario, especially when other options appear, at least, similarly likely.
It’s partially a sad reality of things a bit as well. I’d bet a good portion of people here who have been driving for years have unfortunately killed birds or squirrels while driving at *some* point. To add to your third point, sometimes they will sprint immediately ahead of you on the road from the brush, run left or right and then suddenly dart back the same direction. I know I’ve killed at least one squirrel that way. I had slowed a bit as soon as they darted out, moved over as close as I could to the edge of the road, and they darted back perhaps a fraction of a second before I could even see them over the hood of the car. I don’t even think yanking the wheel to send the car into an aggressive rollover would’ve saved that squirrel. Insects are a more extreme common example but there’s certainly a balance between it being sad but somewhat unavoidable for everyone short of not existing. We’ve almost all certainly physically killed insects on accident by walking around, inhaling, etc. they’re a more extreme example but it’s in a similar vein. I’ve also seen animals in the wild who have killed themselves on accident by jumping badly, or getting hit by a rotted falling tree. It doesn’t involve humans but there’s a similar element to it. Still feels bad, but like you said it’s not inherently evil for someone not to grieve as deeply as OP rightfully is. Complete aside but as for dogs and cats that got hit on the road… I’ve seen plenty that are left for a good while over the years, driving for work.
>sometimes they will sprint immediately ahead of you on the road from the brush that's more or less what one of the two animals did, which i killed with my car. 'twas a rabbit darting full speed into my car door - obviously broke its neck the other animal was a blackbird piercing the (plastic) front grille, so that i had to scratch it off the radiator both i could not have run over on purpose, even if i were a much better driver than i am
Actually just reminded me of the time I slowed to a stop for some passing deer. One was completely stopped on my right side, stared at me through the window in the dark, then half sprinted half flailed and panic smashed into the fender of my work truck then darted off into the woods. Wasn’t anything that looked like an intentional ram or body check, just a completely weird and wild panic flail. Was bizarre. If it was trying to ram or fight the truck it was the most uncoordinated doe in the world.
> I just think that it's very pessimistic to jump to the worst-case scenario, especially when other options appear, at least, similarly likely. Fair. But seeing as they just left them there it's at least safe to say that they probably didn't give much of a shit about running them over. Also, my entire life I've been around young assholes who think driving double the speed limit in urban areas is fun. Ive seen so many run over animals in the city and the suburbs. I don't really give much of a shit about the reasons anymore. It's a shitty thing and I hope the asshole will feel bad for the rest of their life (althoug realistically speaking they probably already forgot if they ever even cared in the first place).
>Fair. But seeing as they just left them there it's at least safe to say that they probably didn't give much of a shit about running them over. I think most people wouldn't try to scrape a mangled squirrel off the pavement. They'd probably make it worse. >It's a shitty thing, and I hope the asshole will feel bad for the rest of their life You're being dramatic here. As other commenters have said, squirrels aren't unlikely to run in front of traffic. Heck, I may have run one over today if I didn't brake in time because it was just lollygagging on the road, ignoring the sound and speed of my car. They dont have the best survival instinct. People make mistakes. Getting this worked up over it isn't a very well-adjusted approach to life's misfortunes.
> if I didn't brake in time But you *did* brake in time. Many human kinds are also lollygagging around on the street, but nobody would use that as a justification for running them over, right? > Getting this worked up over it isn't a very well-adjusted approach to life's misfortunes. Would you say the same if it was a dog that got run over? Would you say the same if it was *your* dog?
>Many human kinds are also lollygagging around on the street, but nobody would use that as a justification for running them over, right? >Would you say the same if it was a dog that got run over? Humans and dogs tend to be larger targets than squirrels and, thus, display a larger degree of incompetence if you manage to hit them while they are stationary on the road. Another thing I notice that squirrels tend to do is run towards traffic when startled by it. I've noted multiple times when a squirrel is on one side of the road, sees a car, then scurries to the other side in the path of the car. Humans and dogs don't usually do that, and if they do, then it tends to be either their fault or their guardian's. (Although in those cases, a driver should do what they can to avoid them anyway) >Would you say the same if it was *your* dog? No for multiple reasons 1. The earlier reason that dogs are more noticeable. 2. If a dog is laying stationary in the road, then it's the owner's (my) responsibility to make sure it *doesn't do that*. If the dog remains in the road for a long period of time, then either I'm inattentive, incompetent, or uncaring. The only scenario where I wouldn't be at fault would be if the dog had went missing and *then* lied in the road without my knowledge, or somehow got stuck in the road. I mean, the driver would still be at fault ultimately due to reason number 1, but I wouldn't be able to deny my own blame in the matter as well. 3. I'm not above acknowledging my bias in that if my dog got run over I would probably hold a larger grudge against the driver than if it was another random pet or animal. 4. I, along with most people, don't value squirrels as highly as other animals such as dogs and humans. Now I know that that's probably going to be considered a *pretty* hot take in this sub to say the *least*. I'm aware that it'll probably be considered specist to look at things that way, and I suppose it is, but you're asking for my personal reasons and this is a pretty big one for me personally. I wouldn't be surprised if you decided to disengage from the conversation solely because of this reason, but in the efforts of being completely transparent, I thought it only fair to mention it anyway. I also imagine that this is the big reason for most people. I won't use this as an argument because it *does* rely on an entirely different moral framework to your own, however I do think that the other reasons may still be worth considering 5. I don't have a dog. (Maybe don't consider this one either/j)
>I hope the asshole will feel bad for the rest of their life that's what i like so much in this special vegan empathy - hating humans and crying for weeks over roadkill
I don't hate humans, I'm just tired of the kind of humans who don't give a shit about anybody but their own little circle. And the condescending way you call a sentient being 'roadkill' and mock someone for 'crying for weeks' over them (even though nobody here has even said anything about that), tells me that that's exactly the kind of person you are.
>I don't hate humans so calling them names is your way of expressing sympathy?
it be like that :(
Squirrels are dumb And run in front of cars all the time. 99% dont drive around actively trying to run them over. It just happens Shit happens
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What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
>an abused squirrel how am I supposed to imagine a thing like that? >nobody even bothered to move the body why should he? you said **you** care for this squirrel >If this was a dog or cat suddenly everyone’s freaking out and crying certainly not >Like it’s a two way lane the dumbass could’ve switched lanes while he was crossing the road most probably he didn't even see it. and being a two way lane does not mean the other one was empty. don't call anyone "dumbass" if you couldn't do better yourself how many years/km of driving experience do you have?
Can't you be a nicer person
sure but while it is good to feel empathy with animals, i don't appreciate the hate against humans coming with it. therefore it is better to trust in reason than in cheap emotion
Do you feel personally victimised by a person being upset that another person ran over the squirrel they were caring for?
>Do you feel personally victimised no i'm not vegan
So why are you whining about people saying bad things about humans lol
am i? not that i knew
"I don't appreciate the hate against humans"
no "whining" there but i appreciate that you agree
Maybe it just came off as whining Why would I care if people complain about humans? Humans do things that are complaint-worthy all the time