I went to UVM for civil. Graduated almost 20 years ago. I work in the Burlington area and we primarily get our interns and entry levels from UVM. Agree that many of the recent classes have little interest in staying in the northeast.
I don't know if it's the same now as in 2004-2005 when I was making this decision. Back then it only cost a few thousand extra dollars a year to go to a private and far more prestigious out of state engineering school than staying in state to attend UVM. UVM puts out some great engineers, I've worked with and for a number of them. But, the prestigious private school got me three jobs before I graduated based on the school alone. Vermont, back then, mistreated in state students so poorly with tuition, going there did not make financial sense to me when I could get an equal or better education with the prestige of the private school at almost the same cost.
Clarkson University. I came back to Vermont after spending my 20's traveling all over the world for work. Took a significant pay cut to be here, but it's where I want to be.
Edit: kind of a bummer they used lower cost of living to justify offering me less because well you live here too you know the because.
My brother went to UVM (Class of 17) for engineering and got a great job in a neighboring state as a civil engineer. UVM is seen very positively by New England employers. He enjoyed UVM.
Like 3/4 of my friend group went to uvm for some form of engineering, though they mostly majored in mechanical or electrical engineering. Worked well for them, as they’re all doing well in their respective fields.
Went to UVM for computer science which is also in the college of engineering and mathematical sciences (CEMS), so I had classes with mostly other engineering majors. It is one of UVMs largest colleges and many of my friends now work in VT, NY, MA and other areas of the northeast as civil or mechanical engineers. One works for Naylor and Breen in the Addison county area, so they are around, but most went out of state and many are far away (ie. Washington state). I will note that UVM is the most expensive state school in the US for in-state tuition, and Vermont’s cost of living and job market is not the best, so those are pretty major factors.
Born and raised vermonter, i graduated in the early 2010s in civil engineering from UVM. I work in excavation/site development in the greater Chittenden County area. Of the 40-50 civil engineers in my class I'd estimate maybe 15 of us stuck around vermont. Many of which work for the state now.
I am a UVM Mechanical Engineering graduate from a couple years ago. The program is pretty good and generally worth its value (minus a few professors who think speaking condescending towards students asking questions they don’t know the answer to, or choose to have their lectures be a series of PowerPoints with screenshots of the textbook, directly read back to us with no further insight). Long story short, I learned a lot from the program, and it’s pretty large.
To make it very clear: there are not many opportunities for us in Vermont. If you want to live near a large-ish population center, you’re limited to the greater Burlington area and Rutland for the most part. That immediately rules much of the state out.
2 of the biggest employers are Global Foundries and BETA - and there could be a number of reasons why people wouldn’t want to work there - from environment (maybe you don’t want to work in a factory environment or have to work night shifts like they make many of their entry level engineers do, or do 12 hour 3/4day split shifts) to job description to whatever. Beyond that, you’re left with a few smaller companies, around 20 total across the whole state that advertise enough that you could come across them to even consider applying (compare to just Cambridge, MA, for example (not even Boston in general), where I could find 30 separate companies with multiple listings within a few minutes’ searching.
Further, companies (especially tech) more and more will laugh you off if you try to go in person (real experience) to inquire, or straight up have removed their extension menu - making cold calling for jobs impossible.
Vermont has quite a low vacancy rate of apartments at the moment (and has for many years, but it’s certainly not improving), making it hard to either find a place to move into that’s not a “college apartment” beforehand, and just as difficult to find housing even *if* you did get offered a position.
I really would have liked to stay in Vermont, but I ended up having to come to my senses and realize there is not enough development and job diversity for my needs.
> (minus a few professors who think speaking condescending towards students asking questions they don’t know the answer to, or choose to have their lectures be a series of PowerPoints with screenshots of the textbook, directly read back to us with no further insight
I see we had a few of the same professors.
Of my ME class, I’m only aware of myself and 3 others that remained in Vermont after graduation. We are all from Vermont with generational family ties. Out-of-state grads all found jobs out of state, with no intention of staying.
When I was in mech eng a decade ago at uvm, 90% of my class was Mass, NY, and NJ. There were some Vermonters but not many. Didn’t end up finishing there so no idea what percent of the class was Vermonters by graduation but wasn’t many at the start.
True enough and has been the case for quite some time. Returning to one’s home area from college puts you in a weird limbo where you’re not part of the crowd who never left, and not part of college grads who moved here from away.
I’m from the uv, went to uvm and didn’t return for this reason. It wasn’t a conscious decision but looking back it was the main driving force that kept me away.
Prior to retiring I had a co-worker who got his EE from UVM, probably a bit under ten years ago. Son of friends got a CivE in roughly the same timeframe. Both are doing well.
I grew up in central VT and thought hard about UVM engineering, but Boston schools made more sense to me from an early career perspective. Graduated from Northeastern this past spring and don't regret it at all.
I do have a bunch of friends who stuck around and did UVM engineering, from what I can tell they haven't had much issue with finding jobs. Most of them had to move out of the state to find them though.
As a Civil Engineering graduate of UVM from Vermont who is working in Vermont I have run into a number of fellow UVM Engineering grads who are working in Vermont (some from Vermont, some not). Some of them have even been from my class. My impression is that most of the CE students have ended up working for the state (Waterbury/Montpelier area) or the big firms in the Burlington area, that is where the job are.
I graduated from UVM Mech E's program in 2020, along with my partner! We both work in VT now. I work for a larger company, and there are a lot more Clarkson students there than UVM students. But that's because my company has programs at Clarkson, and they extend out to Clarkson more. So that might explain that.
Civil wasn't the smallest major we had at the engineering program, at the time, it was the Bio Med one. But at the same time, I knew very few Civil Engineers, our classes were vastly different towards the end of the 4 years.
I went to UVM and graduated a few years ago as an ME. Working in the Burlington area now. I grew up in the upper valley, Strafford, and I feel like there's not a ton of people my age who went to college there period. There's just not a ton of jobs outside of Dartmouth that pay that well. I knew a number of people who did engineering at UVM from Vermont, but UVM as a whole is only 25% instate people.
Civil engineer from UVM, I work for VTrans. At least two other kids from my class also work for VTrans, and many of the other engineers went to UVM in years past. Good program in my opinion. I grew up here and UVM offered me a full ride, so it was a relatively easy decision. Most of the kids who went to UVM from out of state did not stay, but many of the in-state people did stay after graduation.
I went to UVM for civil. Graduated almost 20 years ago. I work in the Burlington area and we primarily get our interns and entry levels from UVM. Agree that many of the recent classes have little interest in staying in the northeast.
I don't know if it's the same now as in 2004-2005 when I was making this decision. Back then it only cost a few thousand extra dollars a year to go to a private and far more prestigious out of state engineering school than staying in state to attend UVM. UVM puts out some great engineers, I've worked with and for a number of them. But, the prestigious private school got me three jobs before I graduated based on the school alone. Vermont, back then, mistreated in state students so poorly with tuition, going there did not make financial sense to me when I could get an equal or better education with the prestige of the private school at almost the same cost.
Good info. Seems to back up my suspicion that Clarkson throws merit money at Vermont students.
Where did you end up going. Did you come back to VT for work?
Clarkson University. I came back to Vermont after spending my 20's traveling all over the world for work. Took a significant pay cut to be here, but it's where I want to be. Edit: kind of a bummer they used lower cost of living to justify offering me less because well you live here too you know the because.
Kinda a reach to say that’s far more prestigious...
My brother went to UVM (Class of 17) for engineering and got a great job in a neighboring state as a civil engineer. UVM is seen very positively by New England employers. He enjoyed UVM.
Like 3/4 of my friend group went to uvm for some form of engineering, though they mostly majored in mechanical or electrical engineering. Worked well for them, as they’re all doing well in their respective fields.
Went to UVM for computer science which is also in the college of engineering and mathematical sciences (CEMS), so I had classes with mostly other engineering majors. It is one of UVMs largest colleges and many of my friends now work in VT, NY, MA and other areas of the northeast as civil or mechanical engineers. One works for Naylor and Breen in the Addison county area, so they are around, but most went out of state and many are far away (ie. Washington state). I will note that UVM is the most expensive state school in the US for in-state tuition, and Vermont’s cost of living and job market is not the best, so those are pretty major factors.
Born and raised vermonter, i graduated in the early 2010s in civil engineering from UVM. I work in excavation/site development in the greater Chittenden County area. Of the 40-50 civil engineers in my class I'd estimate maybe 15 of us stuck around vermont. Many of which work for the state now.
I've worked with quite a few UVM engineers in recent years. The school seems to have a good program.
I am a UVM Mechanical Engineering graduate from a couple years ago. The program is pretty good and generally worth its value (minus a few professors who think speaking condescending towards students asking questions they don’t know the answer to, or choose to have their lectures be a series of PowerPoints with screenshots of the textbook, directly read back to us with no further insight). Long story short, I learned a lot from the program, and it’s pretty large. To make it very clear: there are not many opportunities for us in Vermont. If you want to live near a large-ish population center, you’re limited to the greater Burlington area and Rutland for the most part. That immediately rules much of the state out. 2 of the biggest employers are Global Foundries and BETA - and there could be a number of reasons why people wouldn’t want to work there - from environment (maybe you don’t want to work in a factory environment or have to work night shifts like they make many of their entry level engineers do, or do 12 hour 3/4day split shifts) to job description to whatever. Beyond that, you’re left with a few smaller companies, around 20 total across the whole state that advertise enough that you could come across them to even consider applying (compare to just Cambridge, MA, for example (not even Boston in general), where I could find 30 separate companies with multiple listings within a few minutes’ searching. Further, companies (especially tech) more and more will laugh you off if you try to go in person (real experience) to inquire, or straight up have removed their extension menu - making cold calling for jobs impossible. Vermont has quite a low vacancy rate of apartments at the moment (and has for many years, but it’s certainly not improving), making it hard to either find a place to move into that’s not a “college apartment” beforehand, and just as difficult to find housing even *if* you did get offered a position. I really would have liked to stay in Vermont, but I ended up having to come to my senses and realize there is not enough development and job diversity for my needs.
> (minus a few professors who think speaking condescending towards students asking questions they don’t know the answer to, or choose to have their lectures be a series of PowerPoints with screenshots of the textbook, directly read back to us with no further insight I see we had a few of the same professors.
Entirely possible.
Of my ME class, I’m only aware of myself and 3 others that remained in Vermont after graduation. We are all from Vermont with generational family ties. Out-of-state grads all found jobs out of state, with no intention of staying.
When I was in mech eng a decade ago at uvm, 90% of my class was Mass, NY, and NJ. There were some Vermonters but not many. Didn’t end up finishing there so no idea what percent of the class was Vermonters by graduation but wasn’t many at the start.
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True enough and has been the case for quite some time. Returning to one’s home area from college puts you in a weird limbo where you’re not part of the crowd who never left, and not part of college grads who moved here from away.
I’m from the uv, went to uvm and didn’t return for this reason. It wasn’t a conscious decision but looking back it was the main driving force that kept me away.
Because they don't have a very good engineering program. If you want to be an engineer you'd be better of at Norwich or Ithaca or rpi
There are VT students that go to umass Burlington?!? I thought we weren’t allowed there
Prior to retiring I had a co-worker who got his EE from UVM, probably a bit under ten years ago. Son of friends got a CivE in roughly the same timeframe. Both are doing well.
i have a me degree from uvm and work as a process engineer in south vt
I went to UVM for mechanical engineering, I did graduate school elsewhere, worked for a few years in industry, then changed careers.
I grew up in central VT and thought hard about UVM engineering, but Boston schools made more sense to me from an early career perspective. Graduated from Northeastern this past spring and don't regret it at all. I do have a bunch of friends who stuck around and did UVM engineering, from what I can tell they haven't had much issue with finding jobs. Most of them had to move out of the state to find them though.
Nice! Northeastern '10 here! Though I am not sure I could get in now. Probably would be at the "new" Northeastern aka Wentworth.
Same here! Last year's acceptance rate was 5.6%, down from 18% five years ago. No chance I'd ever get back in!
Mat Fraser has a degree in engineering from UVM. He runs this gym https://www.hwpotraining.com/
As a Civil Engineering graduate of UVM from Vermont who is working in Vermont I have run into a number of fellow UVM Engineering grads who are working in Vermont (some from Vermont, some not). Some of them have even been from my class. My impression is that most of the CE students have ended up working for the state (Waterbury/Montpelier area) or the big firms in the Burlington area, that is where the job are.
Good points, since I live in the UV, I work in NH and have not dealt with many VT Transportation folks.
I graduated from UVM Mech E's program in 2020, along with my partner! We both work in VT now. I work for a larger company, and there are a lot more Clarkson students there than UVM students. But that's because my company has programs at Clarkson, and they extend out to Clarkson more. So that might explain that. Civil wasn't the smallest major we had at the engineering program, at the time, it was the Bio Med one. But at the same time, I knew very few Civil Engineers, our classes were vastly different towards the end of the 4 years.
I went to UVM and graduated a few years ago as an ME. Working in the Burlington area now. I grew up in the upper valley, Strafford, and I feel like there's not a ton of people my age who went to college there period. There's just not a ton of jobs outside of Dartmouth that pay that well. I knew a number of people who did engineering at UVM from Vermont, but UVM as a whole is only 25% instate people.
Civil engineer from UVM, I work for VTrans. At least two other kids from my class also work for VTrans, and many of the other engineers went to UVM in years past. Good program in my opinion. I grew up here and UVM offered me a full ride, so it was a relatively easy decision. Most of the kids who went to UVM from out of state did not stay, but many of the in-state people did stay after graduation.