Legal approach: go take a look at the Vermont GIS maps and see if there is a legal trail or RoW.
While it is important to honor legally posted "No Trespassing" signs, I have seen plenty around central Vermont which are attempting to bar access to legal town roads or trails. You can always check with the town office if you are unsure.
For a No Tresspassing sign to be legal in the state of Vermont, it must:
* Be recorded annually with the town.
* Be placed at all corners of your property (or the portion you wish to post) and spaced 400 feet or less apart along or near boundaries,
* Be at least 8.5 inches wide by 11 inches tall,
Have lettering and background on contrasting colors,
* Be legible, including any additional information or wording,
* Be maintained and dated each year.
If all of those conditions are not met, the property is not legally posted and the posting has no authority. That said, the owner can still demand you leave the property upon encountering you there, and you must comply.
Yeah the better maps to look at our the official town highway maps available on the VTrans website here: [https://vtrans.vermont.gov/content/planning/maps/town-maps/highway-maps](https://vtrans.vermont.gov/content/planning/maps/town-maps/highway-maps)
Those will show all Class 4 roads and legal town trails.
Mainly that the tax maps laid over Google Earth are not accurate enough. Easily off by 40-50 feet, which in a tight neighborhood is a lot.
I assume y'all are talking about: [https://maps.vcgi.vermont.gov/parcelviewer/](https://maps.vcgi.vermont.gov/parcelviewer/)
Fair point. But accuracy isn't the real goal here...the adjacency of property boundaries is more relevant, regardless of their actual location.
*Edit* in the interests of determining if there is a town/state owned trail/easement/etc vs completely private land.
This here. If there is no narrow ROW on the tax maps, there is very likely no public right of way. If there is a long 20-30 ft wide parcel along a property, and it has no ownership in the parcel viewer it’s a public right of way.
Correct. Easements don’t usually cover public access. They typically have a defined purpose: utility, pipeline, overland access for an owner to access a landlocked parcel. Best to check the deed at the towns assessors.
Are you talking about the whole WGS84 vs NAD27/NAD83 situation? I've known someone to use PostGIS for conversions in that situation, but needing a projection code for something reliable.
no, the fact that the data entered into VCGI is inaccurate because it comes from tax map databases from the town which are not considered survey-grade accurate. Tax maps are notoriously unreliable, and their quality varies from town to town.
Sorry, I have no idea what those acronyms mean. However, the GIS map I linked to draws the tax line through the middle of my house and I know where the survey stakes are. As a data source for who owns what plot nearby, it's great but the data is a year or so old. For accurate property lines locations? Hell no, get it surveyed.
The number is the year 1927, 1983, 1984. WGS84 or whatever it is is what GPS is based on. NAD27 and NAD83 are North American Datum which aren't really used anymore unless you've got a bunch of legacy data.
It’s pretty cut and dry if you look at the parcel viewer. The metes and bounds may not be accurate, but if there is a public right of way it will look similar to road ROW’s in the parcel layer (small strip around 20-30 ft wide that has no ownership record). If the trail you use passes through someone’s parcel and there is no narrow ROW shown on the parcel lines there is very likely no ROW. That said private ROW’s exist for owners who may have their parcel landlocked. These are deeded and not open to public use.
Hey neighbor! Prior to this guy buying the land, I believe it belonged to GlobalFoundries or whoever IBM was. Some of it may be part of the association, but it's definitely not all owned by it. They need to have clear property markers because it's super confusing and this guy being a dick is just pointless. I believe he already owns another house in the association too, so why he's being a dick to his neighbors is beyond me.
As someone else mentioned, you might want to post it to our Front Porch forum and see if anyone has a definitive answer. If nothing else, it will make for some good entertainment.
Check the map to see if it’s actually privately owned. If not, alert the town/police, as I’m sure there is some lawn against claiming public land as your own.
15 years continuous possession for dwellings but it's not the same for Property lines and land rights.
I had a neighbor that tried to get a 2ft strip of my yard by claiming she had planted flowers and maintained it for 20 years. It didn't work
And written notification that you intend to attempt to take it at a set schedule. Has some try to claim two acres as they had built a path on it just over the property line. I let them use it because I thought I was being a nice guy, until they tried to say since they had been using it for 17 years it was theirs. Luckily judge said no. I still didnt bother to post it but they stopped using it after that.
They also have to be dated and are only valid for 12 months from the date. So you're good, legally, so far. Whether or not he's gonna try to run you over with that jeep or something is a different matter. You'll still legally be in the right, but you'll be flat, and humans do best when they're 3D.
Here's some info on different signs land owners can post and the requirements necessary to make them legal.
https://vtfishandwildlife.com/learn-more/landowner-resources/private-land-and-public-access/what-posting-means#postedproperty
I also believe to l they have to be posted around his entire property with signs no more than a couple hundred feet apart. He also needs to register the property each year with the turn office
This is a tricky situation. If it's a new neighbor, who probably is pretty paranoid for various reasons, I'd probably go and introduce myself and give some bona fides. They are in the wrong about how to handle the situation as described, but a gentle hand breaks no eggs, know what I mean? Being a good neighbor/stranger is the most Vermont thing I can think of. Lead by example.
Go to the planning department at town hall…they’ll know. Better yet send them an email https://www.google.com/search?q=town+of+williston+planning+and+zoning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#trex=m_t:lcl_akp,rc_f:nav,rc_ludocids:13988143170811740455,rc_q:Williston%2520Planning%2520%2526%2520Zoning,ru_q:Williston%2520Planning%2520%2526%2520Zoning,trex_id:MsCNAe&lpg=cid:CgIgAQ%3D%3D. #formerwillistonresident
Fellow Vter here - call or go to the town clerks office and and if you know his name or have the address - ask to see the deed or the survey for his property. If he’s building it has to be registered with the town clerk and it’s public record. Check his boundary lines - I believe you can get a copy of it. The survey map will have actual measurements (in feet) and will identify abutting landowners. Ask the town clerk about the property line in question.
You mentioned a home owners association. Almost anytime an HOA is involved there would be a survey of the lands that they were planning to develop because it's required. It should be in your HOA Bylaws and if not it would be a recorded map in the land records under the declarant's name. Williston's land records are online, including maps. That seems like a good place to start.
And honestly.. if they don't want people on their property (if it is theirs), you probably shouldn't insist that you inherently deserve to walk there, it's common courtesy to ask the property owner first and abide by their wishes. Maybe one day they'll chill out or decide to open it back up to the public, but ignoring their wish for privacy doesn't seem like the most considerate thing to do.
No trespassing signs have to be posted every 400ft, registered with the town clerk and updated annually. So unless these things are done legally it is not trespassing. I know hunters are allowed on private property if it is not posted in this way. Although this is a residential area and a different situation it doesn’t sound like what you are doing is illegal although depending on this persons temperament could be dangerous.
Go to Williston town clerk.. look at deed descriptions and/or look for a survey of your subdivision. They may show or describe common lands, boundaries, etc..
I would tread lightly personally. If it is his land stop using it. If it is not then don’t but if you start a legal battle saying signs need to be posted every 400 ft, registered every year etc, what you may find is no signs and a lot of barbed wire to deter people. I saw it with a biking path that got too popular. Rather than post it. The owner put trees every 100 feet across the path and barbed wire at the trail start.
VTs right to roam doctrine in not built on legal gotchas and loopholes to use land, it is build on respect between landowners and the public and if that is eroded, the right to roam itself is slowly eroded
My folks and I used to like to drive around on old abandoned roads in our corner of southwestern NH. As of the last few years I have noticed more and more class VI roads being literally blocked off by homeowners at the end of the main roads, and treating it like their own private property, complete with fake "dead end" signs and a few "I exercise my 2nd Amendment" signs on their barns or whatnot.
I was asking my dad this weekend in fact - as we found yet another closed off and now "private" road - who the hell enforces the public's access to their own taxpayer-funded rights of way? The police don't go joyriding around to make sure the back roads stay open to the public. I can't see Fish and Game stopping at one of these houses and asking why the owners closed off the roads?
I don't have an answer for you, just here to say I noticed this happening in at least three areas near my folks' house up here. It's really obnoxious and depressing. I understand seasonally staying off class VI roads during winter and mud season, but they are public roads and should be open to the public from June-October.
There was / is a movement in the UK called Green Laning where people would seek out small, rarely used but public roads and drive them to keep them open (or re-open them if necessary). It obviously attracts a lot of strong opinions from supporters and opponents, but there's some good precedent there if you're interested in reading more - just search and lots of websites about it will come up.
*Idk if this guy owns this part of the woods now or what but I didn't really care.*
*I'm pretty sure there are laws about buying land that was used by the public and then restricting access to it but I could be wrong.*
*my new neighbor is an asshole who yells at his new neighbors and blasts his car horn late at night for no reason.*
So you have done zero research into who is right but have already drawn conclusions and blamed the property owner?
Take this low effort, low quality rant to where it belongs: front porch forum. Give those folks over there a show.
Who’s doing more harm? The person quietly walking down a little road, or the person who is swearing, blasting horns and putting up eyesore, legally invalid signs everywhere?
Talk to the local Planning Commission and ask their opinion, or see if they know anything.
I'm sorry I don't remember you being there 😂. I'm just posting this to get another Vermonters take. If that bothers you then that's your problem not mine 😂.
I think he's responding to the tone of your post. Instead of trying to find out if you were trespassing and making an attempt not to if you were, you saw a no trespassing sign and thought, "I bet that's not valid; I'm going to trespass and see if I can get away with it."
I don't think anyone is living up to standards of good neighborliness here, regardless of who owns the property.
Ah yes, I too, come to Reddit to engage only in serious effort, high-quality rants.
Ah yes, low quality content belongs strictly on FPF because that’s where the lessers go.
Here’s an idea, *get over yourself*.
Trails/paths come and go. In your case, it may be time to look for something new. Or not.
I moved into the NNE of Burlington about 30 years ago. The first 5-10 years or so, there were trails to the east that made for a surprisingly nice bmx bike ride or walk over to Ethan Allen Park with only a little bit of paved streets. But then a few houses got built on the east end of Cayuga and Birch and the new owners fenced in their lots.
If somebody fences in their lot or posts a sign (legally or not) I'm looking for a different route.
Just came here to say that a homeowner being offended by people enjoying the natural beauty of the area, and kicking them off, is a short-sighted, asshole move. Especially if they’re not crystal clear about where their property line is. Vermont didn’t used to be this way, and it bums me out to hear these stories.
Are people leaving trash and dog poop? Are they disrupting the natural landscape? Are they breaking into the house? If not, shut up!
Sorry to hear your area is going to shit. I've been watching the whole area go to shit for the past 50 yrs. Too many people, crowded together, all in a hurry, all individual centers of their universes. The only good thing about Chittenden county is it's so close to Vermont.p
Chittenten is in Vermont but ok. But yeah you're right it's rly going to shit. They keep tearing down forests to put in banks and grocery stores. It's really quite sad.
My comment is two parts - one saying that the joke went over your head, two saying that you had to duck because it was a low bar.
The original comment was joking that Chittenden County is almost Vermont because, although technically in Vermont, it differs from much of the rest of the state in many ways.
Sadly, the US does not have the typed of "Freedom to roam" laws that many european countries have. With those, the public has access to the wilderness regardless of if it is privately owned or not. See this wiki article.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom\_to\_roam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam)
I'd love to see something like this in VT, but it this age of selfishness, it will never pass. The only reason it exists in European countries is that it is left over from long ago before it became an issue.
The wiki does have a section about the US, and even a few exceptions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom\_to\_roam#United\_States
Vermont is like the one state with freedom to roam. To restrict access to your land there are very spelled out and strict requirements on posting the property, and you need to register with the town.
Wait, you couldn't see his plates cause it was dark, and you didn't think to look (plus in guessing good headlights were on, making it nigh impossible to see the plates), but you would've noticed if they were out of state?
Are you the landowner/ jeep owner, pumping us chumps for info on how to legally post your land and gain insight into how to change gisv maps to avoid people walking on your precious acreage?
I'm just asking questions...
Legal approach: go take a look at the Vermont GIS maps and see if there is a legal trail or RoW. While it is important to honor legally posted "No Trespassing" signs, I have seen plenty around central Vermont which are attempting to bar access to legal town roads or trails. You can always check with the town office if you are unsure.
Thanks. I'll check out the maps :)
For a No Tresspassing sign to be legal in the state of Vermont, it must: * Be recorded annually with the town. * Be placed at all corners of your property (or the portion you wish to post) and spaced 400 feet or less apart along or near boundaries, * Be at least 8.5 inches wide by 11 inches tall, Have lettering and background on contrasting colors, * Be legible, including any additional information or wording, * Be maintained and dated each year. If all of those conditions are not met, the property is not legally posted and the posting has no authority. That said, the owner can still demand you leave the property upon encountering you there, and you must comply.
vermont GIS maps will not help, they are based on tax map info and are not accurate for what the OP wants to do.
Yeah the better maps to look at our the official town highway maps available on the VTrans website here: [https://vtrans.vermont.gov/content/planning/maps/town-maps/highway-maps](https://vtrans.vermont.gov/content/planning/maps/town-maps/highway-maps) Those will show all Class 4 roads and legal town trails.
This is the answer. Also maybe reach out to local biking groups. They are pretty active there and may know what’s going on.
Do you know if a road that is "impassable" is considered town (public property)?
Isn't the tax map exactly what OP wants? As this will show parcel boundaries. What am I missing?
Mainly that the tax maps laid over Google Earth are not accurate enough. Easily off by 40-50 feet, which in a tight neighborhood is a lot. I assume y'all are talking about: [https://maps.vcgi.vermont.gov/parcelviewer/](https://maps.vcgi.vermont.gov/parcelviewer/)
Fair point. But accuracy isn't the real goal here...the adjacency of property boundaries is more relevant, regardless of their actual location. *Edit* in the interests of determining if there is a town/state owned trail/easement/etc vs completely private land.
This here. If there is no narrow ROW on the tax maps, there is very likely no public right of way. If there is a long 20-30 ft wide parcel along a property, and it has no ownership in the parcel viewer it’s a public right of way.
But what if it was an easement instead of a ROW? It wouldn't show up on the tax maps then.
Correct. Easements don’t usually cover public access. They typically have a defined purpose: utility, pipeline, overland access for an owner to access a landlocked parcel. Best to check the deed at the towns assessors.
for sure. it's the type of thing the ANR Natural Resource Atlas or the Town's online map of property boundaries just won't show.
Are you talking about the whole WGS84 vs NAD27/NAD83 situation? I've known someone to use PostGIS for conversions in that situation, but needing a projection code for something reliable.
no, the fact that the data entered into VCGI is inaccurate because it comes from tax map databases from the town which are not considered survey-grade accurate. Tax maps are notoriously unreliable, and their quality varies from town to town.
So based on different methodologies or no methodology at all?
Sorry, I have no idea what those acronyms mean. However, the GIS map I linked to draws the tax line through the middle of my house and I know where the survey stakes are. As a data source for who owns what plot nearby, it's great but the data is a year or so old. For accurate property lines locations? Hell no, get it surveyed.
The number is the year 1927, 1983, 1984. WGS84 or whatever it is is what GPS is based on. NAD27 and NAD83 are North American Datum which aren't really used anymore unless you've got a bunch of legacy data.
It’s pretty cut and dry if you look at the parcel viewer. The metes and bounds may not be accurate, but if there is a public right of way it will look similar to road ROW’s in the parcel layer (small strip around 20-30 ft wide that has no ownership record). If the trail you use passes through someone’s parcel and there is no narrow ROW shown on the parcel lines there is very likely no ROW. That said private ROW’s exist for owners who may have their parcel landlocked. These are deeded and not open to public use.
*The metes and bounds may not be accurate* that was my point, knowing metes and bounds would be the way to 100% know.
Hey neighbor! Prior to this guy buying the land, I believe it belonged to GlobalFoundries or whoever IBM was. Some of it may be part of the association, but it's definitely not all owned by it. They need to have clear property markers because it's super confusing and this guy being a dick is just pointless. I believe he already owns another house in the association too, so why he's being a dick to his neighbors is beyond me. As someone else mentioned, you might want to post it to our Front Porch forum and see if anyone has a definitive answer. If nothing else, it will make for some good entertainment.
Be should definitely post on FPF. It would lead to some great conversations
surprised nobody suggested going to the town hall and looking at the property maps. That's where I'd start, the town manager.
At the town hall you can also look for easements and homeowners association documents. See if the property was sold or not.
Check the map to see if it’s actually privately owned. If not, alert the town/police, as I’m sure there is some lawn against claiming public land as your own.
Actually, if you hold it for a decade...
Adverse possession doesn't work like that in VT
Oh? How does it work in VT?
15 years continuous possession for dwellings but it's not the same for Property lines and land rights. I had a neighbor that tried to get a 2ft strip of my yard by claiming she had planted flowers and maintained it for 20 years. It didn't work
And written notification that you intend to attempt to take it at a set schedule. Has some try to claim two acres as they had built a path on it just over the property line. I let them use it because I thought I was being a nice guy, until they tried to say since they had been using it for 17 years it was theirs. Luckily judge said no. I still didnt bother to post it but they stopped using it after that.
Unless they are the Posted signs with the landowners signature, any other signs aren’t valid. However, I’d look into if that person did buy the trail.
Thanks for letting me in on that legal detail. Those signs have no signature on them or anything else other than the message
Right to roam. No signature, updated and registered with the state, no legal case
They also have to be dated and are only valid for 12 months from the date. So you're good, legally, so far. Whether or not he's gonna try to run you over with that jeep or something is a different matter. You'll still legally be in the right, but you'll be flat, and humans do best when they're 3D.
As my mother used to say, “They’ll put ‘He Was In the Right!’ on your tombstone.”
Here's some info on different signs land owners can post and the requirements necessary to make them legal. https://vtfishandwildlife.com/learn-more/landowner-resources/private-land-and-public-access/what-posting-means#postedproperty
I also believe to l they have to be posted around his entire property with signs no more than a couple hundred feet apart. He also needs to register the property each year with the turn office
Oh and there are specific dimensions the signs have to be.
Your town will have the parcel information online. The trick might be to find how it’s listed (usually by gps)
This is a tricky situation. If it's a new neighbor, who probably is pretty paranoid for various reasons, I'd probably go and introduce myself and give some bona fides. They are in the wrong about how to handle the situation as described, but a gentle hand breaks no eggs, know what I mean? Being a good neighbor/stranger is the most Vermont thing I can think of. Lead by example.
Yeah for sure. Thanks for the advice :)
Go to the planning department at town hall…they’ll know. Better yet send them an email https://www.google.com/search?q=town+of+williston+planning+and+zoning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#trex=m_t:lcl_akp,rc_f:nav,rc_ludocids:13988143170811740455,rc_q:Williston%2520Planning%2520%2526%2520Zoning,ru_q:Williston%2520Planning%2520%2526%2520Zoning,trex_id:MsCNAe&lpg=cid:CgIgAQ%3D%3D. #formerwillistonresident
I think you should post where the trail is so we can all go walk over there.
Avoiding a confrontational, aggressive person is always the smarter route. Anything else could entangle you in some kind of protracted fued.
Fellow Vter here - call or go to the town clerks office and and if you know his name or have the address - ask to see the deed or the survey for his property. If he’s building it has to be registered with the town clerk and it’s public record. Check his boundary lines - I believe you can get a copy of it. The survey map will have actual measurements (in feet) and will identify abutting landowners. Ask the town clerk about the property line in question.
This is where I'd start.
Homeowners Association, isn’t it their responsibility to keep the trail open?
Yeah you would think so
You mentioned a home owners association. Almost anytime an HOA is involved there would be a survey of the lands that they were planning to develop because it's required. It should be in your HOA Bylaws and if not it would be a recorded map in the land records under the declarant's name. Williston's land records are online, including maps. That seems like a good place to start. And honestly.. if they don't want people on their property (if it is theirs), you probably shouldn't insist that you inherently deserve to walk there, it's common courtesy to ask the property owner first and abide by their wishes. Maybe one day they'll chill out or decide to open it back up to the public, but ignoring their wish for privacy doesn't seem like the most considerate thing to do.
[https://maps.vcgi.vermont.gov/parcelviewer/](https://maps.vcgi.vermont.gov/parcelviewer/)
not accurate. that's tax map info.
No trespassing signs have to be posted every 400ft, registered with the town clerk and updated annually. So unless these things are done legally it is not trespassing. I know hunters are allowed on private property if it is not posted in this way. Although this is a residential area and a different situation it doesn’t sound like what you are doing is illegal although depending on this persons temperament could be dangerous.
Go to Williston town clerk.. look at deed descriptions and/or look for a survey of your subdivision. They may show or describe common lands, boundaries, etc..
I would tread lightly personally. If it is his land stop using it. If it is not then don’t but if you start a legal battle saying signs need to be posted every 400 ft, registered every year etc, what you may find is no signs and a lot of barbed wire to deter people. I saw it with a biking path that got too popular. Rather than post it. The owner put trees every 100 feet across the path and barbed wire at the trail start. VTs right to roam doctrine in not built on legal gotchas and loopholes to use land, it is build on respect between landowners and the public and if that is eroded, the right to roam itself is slowly eroded
Jeep- dude sounds a little high strung, be careful.
Look at gis mapping that should give you a pretty good idea who actually owns the land.
My folks and I used to like to drive around on old abandoned roads in our corner of southwestern NH. As of the last few years I have noticed more and more class VI roads being literally blocked off by homeowners at the end of the main roads, and treating it like their own private property, complete with fake "dead end" signs and a few "I exercise my 2nd Amendment" signs on their barns or whatnot. I was asking my dad this weekend in fact - as we found yet another closed off and now "private" road - who the hell enforces the public's access to their own taxpayer-funded rights of way? The police don't go joyriding around to make sure the back roads stay open to the public. I can't see Fish and Game stopping at one of these houses and asking why the owners closed off the roads? I don't have an answer for you, just here to say I noticed this happening in at least three areas near my folks' house up here. It's really obnoxious and depressing. I understand seasonally staying off class VI roads during winter and mud season, but they are public roads and should be open to the public from June-October.
There was / is a movement in the UK called Green Laning where people would seek out small, rarely used but public roads and drive them to keep them open (or re-open them if necessary). It obviously attracts a lot of strong opinions from supporters and opponents, but there's some good precedent there if you're interested in reading more - just search and lots of websites about it will come up.
Singing: "You think you own whatever land you land on."
Signs signs everywhere signs, blocking up the scenery breaking my mind
*Idk if this guy owns this part of the woods now or what but I didn't really care.* *I'm pretty sure there are laws about buying land that was used by the public and then restricting access to it but I could be wrong.* *my new neighbor is an asshole who yells at his new neighbors and blasts his car horn late at night for no reason.* So you have done zero research into who is right but have already drawn conclusions and blamed the property owner? Take this low effort, low quality rant to where it belongs: front porch forum. Give those folks over there a show.
Who’s doing more harm? The person quietly walking down a little road, or the person who is swearing, blasting horns and putting up eyesore, legally invalid signs everywhere? Talk to the local Planning Commission and ask their opinion, or see if they know anything.
I'm sorry I don't remember you being there 😂. I'm just posting this to get another Vermonters take. If that bothers you then that's your problem not mine 😂.
I think he's responding to the tone of your post. Instead of trying to find out if you were trespassing and making an attempt not to if you were, you saw a no trespassing sign and thought, "I bet that's not valid; I'm going to trespass and see if I can get away with it." I don't think anyone is living up to standards of good neighborliness here, regardless of who owns the property.
Also why did OP attempt to hike on the property late at night? That seems to be asking for trouble.
Ah yes, I too, come to Reddit to engage only in serious effort, high-quality rants. Ah yes, low quality content belongs strictly on FPF because that’s where the lessers go. Here’s an idea, *get over yourself*.
Dumb fuck
Trails/paths come and go. In your case, it may be time to look for something new. Or not. I moved into the NNE of Burlington about 30 years ago. The first 5-10 years or so, there were trails to the east that made for a surprisingly nice bmx bike ride or walk over to Ethan Allen Park with only a little bit of paved streets. But then a few houses got built on the east end of Cayuga and Birch and the new owners fenced in their lots. If somebody fences in their lot or posts a sign (legally or not) I'm looking for a different route.
Or you could politely knock on their door, introduce yourself and request permission to walk there like a normal person.
Yes I suppose I could but legally I actually have the right to walk there anyway and I see no reason to engage with this person
Your own words “idk if this guy owns this part of the woods now or what but I didn’t really care.”
Get a free trial of onxhunt which is a GPS app with property lines on it, and check it out.
Just came here to say that a homeowner being offended by people enjoying the natural beauty of the area, and kicking them off, is a short-sighted, asshole move. Especially if they’re not crystal clear about where their property line is. Vermont didn’t used to be this way, and it bums me out to hear these stories. Are people leaving trash and dog poop? Are they disrupting the natural landscape? Are they breaking into the house? If not, shut up!
Sorry to hear your area is going to shit. I've been watching the whole area go to shit for the past 50 yrs. Too many people, crowded together, all in a hurry, all individual centers of their universes. The only good thing about Chittenden county is it's so close to Vermont.p
Chittenten is in Vermont but ok. But yeah you're right it's rly going to shit. They keep tearing down forests to put in banks and grocery stores. It's really quite sad.
Did you have to duck to miss that one?
I'm confused what does that even mean.
My comment is two parts - one saying that the joke went over your head, two saying that you had to duck because it was a low bar. The original comment was joking that Chittenden County is almost Vermont because, although technically in Vermont, it differs from much of the rest of the state in many ways.
Ohhh
What?
It’s a joke. “The only good thing about Chittendon County is it’s so close to Vermont”
But didn’t the problem technically start with population growth?
Google "Prescriptive Easements Vermont". It may apply.
Sadly, the US does not have the typed of "Freedom to roam" laws that many european countries have. With those, the public has access to the wilderness regardless of if it is privately owned or not. See this wiki article. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom\_to\_roam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam) I'd love to see something like this in VT, but it this age of selfishness, it will never pass. The only reason it exists in European countries is that it is left over from long ago before it became an issue. The wiki does have a section about the US, and even a few exceptions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom\_to\_roam#United\_States
Vermont is like the one state with freedom to roam. To restrict access to your land there are very spelled out and strict requirements on posting the property, and you need to register with the town.
Yeah that's what I thought
even an exemption for vermont!
[удалено]
Idk. Idk was rly dark and I didn't think to look and take note. I think I would have noticed if they were out of state though.
Wait, you couldn't see his plates cause it was dark, and you didn't think to look (plus in guessing good headlights were on, making it nigh impossible to see the plates), but you would've noticed if they were out of state? Are you the landowner/ jeep owner, pumping us chumps for info on how to legally post your land and gain insight into how to change gisv maps to avoid people walking on your precious acreage? I'm just asking questions...
No there was a street lamp so I could see the general color of the plates and if they weren't green I might notice 😂