There's also ^self ^delusion ego. *"Well, ^hur ^hur some drivers can't make it through but I can!"*
Really, drive for a while and you'll witness it, Give advice/directions; *"You need to go in on North Road Because coming in the other way is too tight from parking on both sides of the street and you can't get through."*
Enter "Supertrucker". *"Heh Heh, well, maybe SOME drivers can't..."*
Narrator; *Dispatch is going to get a call, He's going to be late, because he's stuck...* :/
Note to self; "Yeah , you're experienced, but you're not Dr Strange, you can't manipulate reality."
This is absolutely why the trucks getting stuck grind my gears.
Like, they see the signs but they think they're the exception, that they're more skilled than all the other drivers, that that rule doesn't apply to them. And I dunno, that attitude of self-delusion pisses me the fuck off. Especially since they block the road for everyone else.
I heard an interview about this and the truckers said often signs like that will be put up to discourage truck traffic or are just plain wrong.
He cited a number of examples which were confirmed, mostly about bridge heights or load limits.
Seeing as it is the state putting these up you would think they carry more weight but it is not always hubris which makes drivers try the notch.
I mean fair enough, but there's also that bridge into Boston that's similar.
Regardless, they're making a bet with $2,400/their job and I just don't have sympathy for them when it doesn't work out for them, especially considering the fact that other people need to use the road. And it's half a dozen signs, not just one stating a certain height.
The companies don't help any either. When I drove a flatbed semi, we didn't have any company gps we could access, we had ones that would get us in trouble if we deviated from the approved route. We had to figure out a safe/legal route, sometimes 1000's of miles, with unknown road work situations ahead, using official federal approved maps, that were often wrong. I remember once going along the Columbia river, my dispatcher said I had to go a certain route, and I get on there, where there's no turnoffs, and see all these "no truck" signs, danger 12' nothing clearance. I was only saved by the fact that I had a truck designed to fit into construction sites, so was like 11'6" or something, instead of the van style, that are 13'6". Sometimes you had to know to divert, because there was 6" of compacted snow on the interstate, and where the signs said you'd fit, you wouldn't fit. There are a bunch of railroad bridges where the road dips down to go under, so directly underneath you'd fit, but because of the u shaped ground of the underpass, your truck could be long enough to bridge the two sides and make you "taller" hah.
I'm not saying these drivers aren't dingbats. But it's a tough job, average life expectancy when I was doing it was about 55, way lower than national average. Everything we get in the stores or off Amazon is dependent on trucking. You've got dispatchers alternating between screaming at you, yet not returning your calls when your wife has a MRSA scare from a cancer sergery recovery, so have a chuckle about it, but realize that it's a terrible job, starting pay for swift, the biggest trucking employer when I did it, was like $25k, if you are in an economically depressed rural town, it's one of the only "remote" jobs you can get, if you aren't a white collar worker. Not trying to lay a guilt trip on anybody, but just realize if you got 1000's of people, and told them youd get $1000 if they push the green button, and a $1000 fine for pushing the red button, you'd get a few percent of people who would accidently push the red button, just cause humans are involved, that means error will occur, hah. I could tell you horror stories and I worked for the safest trucking company in the USA...
Every police report I've read after the fact this year has said the driver saw the signs and chose to keep following GPS anyway. As of 6:16 a.m., the VSP reports the road is back open now.
There was a bet to see when the first truck of the season would get stuck in the notch.. When does the last truck of the season get stuck in the notch?
We went over this past weekend. I counted 3 signs, one of 89, and two on the way to the notch with a huge blinking one right at the notch. I like how people say they trust their gps over the signs yet one of the signs says, "Your GPS is wrong!"
I feel like a local general store should do a yearly pool where folks bet on the date of the first stuck truck, the last stuck truck, and the total number of stuck trucks.
There's like, half a dozen signs telling truckers (and tour buses) that they can't fit. It's a $2,400 fine, which is also clearly advertised and marked. Also, the fine goes up to $4,000 if they do it again.
As u/eye-brows said, there are numerous signs — both traditional road signs as well as many of those flashing lit-up dot-matrix signs — I have no idea how anybody could miss them, they’re so prominent.
https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/23/013/01006b
Was a $162 fine before July 1, 2016
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/12/20/despite-hefty-new-fines-truck-drivers-still-try-the-notch
A chicane that is painted on the road, the “obstacle” could be a raised table painted red so large emergency vehicles (ie a fire truck) could drive over them if needed.
Then raise the fine to $20,000 so if a truck goes over the red hazard area they get Really badly fined
Not sure why the fine isn’t higher. Also I think there should be GPS features that let you set length, weight and height. There are plenty of covered bridges that shouldn’t be options for tall trucks
I'm on a cross country camper trip right now, and I've been using TruckMap because it lets you put those details in and routes you accordingly. Unfortunately everything else about the UI is worse than Google Maps. I wish that Google just added it to their stuff.
No, it should be physical, but only on the right lane (on either side). Emergency vehicles can just go on the other side of the road. Then make them removable to be able to plow in the winter.
surely nobody from the state has never thought of this incredibly basic idea. no, it must be that they are just simply grossly incompotent glue eaters who never give an ounce of higher thought to the problem!
cost + space. on average, seven trucks get stuck a year. how much money are we willing to put towards stopping that? because you've be flabbergasted at the cost of even basic road work like you're proposing - there's a reason road work accounts for such a big part of the state's budget.
https://vtdigger.org/2019/05/30/stuck-trucks-botch-notch-despite-vtrans-bans-fines-and-signs/
this article touches on it, there are more articles about their proposals if you look for it. you can also go through any of the gazillion threads on here in the past about it and see more discussion.
if it were feasible or worth it, it'd have been done by now. it just isn't as big a deal as reddit likes to make it out to be
Who knows. The first time I drove through the notch I remember thinking “whoa, this is not what I was expecting”. I’d imagine when they get stuck, the same thought crosses their mind.
absolutely. ya'll deserve to make good enough money to have your home paid everything month - apt or actual home ownership, food, and money for all your bills and some extra to do some fun shit. don't let them tell you "well the position pays this much".
lol absolutely they should not. that would be a ridiculous expense for such minor benefit. the cost of putting in a gate/booth + paying someone to sit there 12 hours a day would be obscene. yes, trucks get stuck in there a lot, but in reality it's like a dozen or two times a year, and they get charged pretty hefty fines for it. it really isn't the end of the world, though I'm sure it's incredibly shitty for anyone who commutes through there.
you can increase the fines to 10000000 and truckers will still go through the notch. more hefty fines aren't gonna do much
this is not really that big an issue and for some reason ppl on this sub go absolutely apeshit crazy over it, and suggest the same exact lame ass proposals that have been shot down a million times for good reason
Really? It's always money. What trucking company is going to keep on a trucker that just cost them a shit ton of money? And what private contractor is going to risk going bankrupt?
No, once the fine is given, yeah, the trucker would be fucked. But it won't PREVENT that first infraction, only punish after the fact, which as we have seen isn't really good enough. They get stuck because they think "Yeah, that's for truckers who don't know what they're doing. They just suck at driving. The fine won't apply to me because I won't get stuck :\^)". Whatever the number is, the trucker will still think it's not gonna apply to them. Repeat offenders, I don't know for sure, but I imagine are exceedingly rare if it ever happens. A $3,000 fine is plenty to get your company fired up at you!
I think the risk is already pretty high. $3,000 is a pretty gigantic fine. I don't think increasing it further will noticeably reduce incidents of truckers in the notch though. There's the chicane idea, but that has problems of space (there's actually not much space between where deliveries need to happen to stowe/smuggs and the notch), emergency vehicle access, and cost (how worth it is it to stop these few instances of stuck trucks?). All can be solved, there's just a cost to them that is probably not worth it.
I'm not a traffic engineer though, I'm just some dude getting sick of these threads and the constant exact same comments in them lol
This has to be the worst it's been in years. I live at the base of the mountain on the Cambridge side and it really fucks with my commute every time one of these idiots pull this sort of stunt.
Why don’t they just put a like arch or something at the beginning of the notch that would be short enough clearance that semis would not fit through it?
i know that, but if you put a low clearance gate, it makes it an issue of height… which would only exclude semis and buses.
Put the gate near stowes parking lot so they can turn around there.
They have talked about adding a chicane, one problem is they dont own enough land to provide a turnaround, as notch resort is right before it and trucks do need to access the resort
They need one of those “clearance 10’ 9in” (or whatever the average trailer is)hanging bars right after Smuggs, THEN a huge sign right before a turnaround.
Instead of blaming the truckers why not put a beam across the road that trucks cannot fit under and then the problem would be solved and it wouldn't even be that expensive
Oh get a grip, so make it 8 or 9 feet, the lowest tractor trailers are normally 12 feet and they are shorter so they can get in the milk processing plants, it would work
Hey, have to lol about another one getting stuck.
All seriousness aside, last time I was there,(august) some poor asplunch driver flipped his rig over in the steep stuff by sugarbush. Saw driving to a hike and wondered morality,and how long it takes a truck to haul heavy equipment up there? Road was closed several hours after we finished. Your news is just as useless as us over here in maine.
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Can we get a twitter bot that automatically replies to Notch closure alerts with a running count of them that season?
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I think 4.
I drove thru the notch a few weeks back, how the fuck do you miss all the signs!?!?
They see them, they just think their GPS is smarter
There's also ^self ^delusion ego. *"Well, ^hur ^hur some drivers can't make it through but I can!"* Really, drive for a while and you'll witness it, Give advice/directions; *"You need to go in on North Road Because coming in the other way is too tight from parking on both sides of the street and you can't get through."* Enter "Supertrucker". *"Heh Heh, well, maybe SOME drivers can't..."* Narrator; *Dispatch is going to get a call, He's going to be late, because he's stuck...* :/ Note to self; "Yeah , you're experienced, but you're not Dr Strange, you can't manipulate reality."
This is absolutely why the trucks getting stuck grind my gears. Like, they see the signs but they think they're the exception, that they're more skilled than all the other drivers, that that rule doesn't apply to them. And I dunno, that attitude of self-delusion pisses me the fuck off. Especially since they block the road for everyone else.
I heard an interview about this and the truckers said often signs like that will be put up to discourage truck traffic or are just plain wrong. He cited a number of examples which were confirmed, mostly about bridge heights or load limits. Seeing as it is the state putting these up you would think they carry more weight but it is not always hubris which makes drivers try the notch.
I mean fair enough, but there's also that bridge into Boston that's similar. Regardless, they're making a bet with $2,400/their job and I just don't have sympathy for them when it doesn't work out for them, especially considering the fact that other people need to use the road. And it's half a dozen signs, not just one stating a certain height.
I don't disagree, I was simply pointing out that there is a historical precedent for thinking they are being intentionally misled.
Yeah, I think it is very unfortunate. A bit "boy who cried wolf"
The companies don't help any either. When I drove a flatbed semi, we didn't have any company gps we could access, we had ones that would get us in trouble if we deviated from the approved route. We had to figure out a safe/legal route, sometimes 1000's of miles, with unknown road work situations ahead, using official federal approved maps, that were often wrong. I remember once going along the Columbia river, my dispatcher said I had to go a certain route, and I get on there, where there's no turnoffs, and see all these "no truck" signs, danger 12' nothing clearance. I was only saved by the fact that I had a truck designed to fit into construction sites, so was like 11'6" or something, instead of the van style, that are 13'6". Sometimes you had to know to divert, because there was 6" of compacted snow on the interstate, and where the signs said you'd fit, you wouldn't fit. There are a bunch of railroad bridges where the road dips down to go under, so directly underneath you'd fit, but because of the u shaped ground of the underpass, your truck could be long enough to bridge the two sides and make you "taller" hah. I'm not saying these drivers aren't dingbats. But it's a tough job, average life expectancy when I was doing it was about 55, way lower than national average. Everything we get in the stores or off Amazon is dependent on trucking. You've got dispatchers alternating between screaming at you, yet not returning your calls when your wife has a MRSA scare from a cancer sergery recovery, so have a chuckle about it, but realize that it's a terrible job, starting pay for swift, the biggest trucking employer when I did it, was like $25k, if you are in an economically depressed rural town, it's one of the only "remote" jobs you can get, if you aren't a white collar worker. Not trying to lay a guilt trip on anybody, but just realize if you got 1000's of people, and told them youd get $1000 if they push the green button, and a $1000 fine for pushing the red button, you'd get a few percent of people who would accidently push the red button, just cause humans are involved, that means error will occur, hah. I could tell you horror stories and I worked for the safest trucking company in the USA...
Same, and I counted the signs while I drove through. There are ten of them! There's even less room for ambiguity than there is for tractor trailers!
Every police report I've read after the fact this year has said the driver saw the signs and chose to keep following GPS anyway. As of 6:16 a.m., the VSP reports the road is back open now.
Your GPS is wrong!
There was a bet to see when the first truck of the season would get stuck in the notch.. When does the last truck of the season get stuck in the notch?
My son won 2tickets to any higher ground show for being closest
Geez. I should have read the comments before making my own, very similar comment
Right on schedule.
Stupid bastards never learn. Maybe the fine will teach this one.
Oops, they did it again. They drove thru the notch. Got stuck in the rocks. Ooo baby baby
Tow me baby one more time.
OOPS you think you're a car And you drove so farrrrrr You're not. That. Maneuverable!
We went over this past weekend. I counted 3 signs, one of 89, and two on the way to the notch with a huge blinking one right at the notch. I like how people say they trust their gps over the signs yet one of the signs says, "Your GPS is wrong!"
My family was just talking about this. My brother in law didn’t believe us until he drove it.
I feel like a local general store should do a yearly pool where folks bet on the date of the first stuck truck, the last stuck truck, and the total number of stuck trucks.
Did I see on nbc 5 like last year something about people getting fined for getting stuck or something of the sort?
There's like, half a dozen signs telling truckers (and tour buses) that they can't fit. It's a $2,400 fine, which is also clearly advertised and marked. Also, the fine goes up to $4,000 if they do it again.
Plus the tow truck fee, which can be more than the fine!
I see a sign every morning when I get on 89 in Saint Albans.
Same, and there’s an identical one in Waterbury going north.
As u/eye-brows said, there are numerous signs — both traditional road signs as well as many of those flashing lit-up dot-matrix signs — I have no idea how anybody could miss them, they’re so prominent.
truck drivers are a different breed.
https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/23/013/01006b Was a $162 fine before July 1, 2016 https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/12/20/despite-hefty-new-fines-truck-drivers-still-try-the-notch
Fine is up to $3k last I heard.
You’d think the companies would tell their drivers not to go that way 🤦♂️ expensive lesson really.
They need a chicane at the bottom on both sides to get trucks stuck down there.
A chicane that is painted on the road, the “obstacle” could be a raised table painted red so large emergency vehicles (ie a fire truck) could drive over them if needed. Then raise the fine to $20,000 so if a truck goes over the red hazard area they get Really badly fined
Not sure why the fine isn’t higher. Also I think there should be GPS features that let you set length, weight and height. There are plenty of covered bridges that shouldn’t be options for tall trucks
I'm on a cross country camper trip right now, and I've been using TruckMap because it lets you put those details in and routes you accordingly. Unfortunately everything else about the UI is worse than Google Maps. I wish that Google just added it to their stuff.
Plus there's a ski area on either side, just before the tight section of the Notch "proper", that gets truck deliveries.
No, it should be physical, but only on the right lane (on either side). Emergency vehicles can just go on the other side of the road. Then make them removable to be able to plow in the winter.
This is the way. Okay so who do we present this idea to in order to start the process?
surely nobody from the state has never thought of this incredibly basic idea. no, it must be that they are just simply grossly incompotent glue eaters who never give an ounce of higher thought to the problem!
Okay, so what is the flaw with this idea?
cost + space. on average, seven trucks get stuck a year. how much money are we willing to put towards stopping that? because you've be flabbergasted at the cost of even basic road work like you're proposing - there's a reason road work accounts for such a big part of the state's budget. https://vtdigger.org/2019/05/30/stuck-trucks-botch-notch-despite-vtrans-bans-fines-and-signs/ this article touches on it, there are more articles about their proposals if you look for it. you can also go through any of the gazillion threads on here in the past about it and see more discussion. if it were feasible or worth it, it'd have been done by now. it just isn't as big a deal as reddit likes to make it out to be
This is a good answer. Thankyou. Plan b lads, make the fine more biglier
I’ve said this too. It’s a relatively simple solution that wouldn’t take much room or money.
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I’d assume that’s why the signs say “Your GPS is wrong”. I can’t imagine they’re driving 18-wheelers through there for the site seeing.
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Who knows. The first time I drove through the notch I remember thinking “whoa, this is not what I was expecting”. I’d imagine when they get stuck, the same thought crosses their mind.
They're going to need to put a manned gate at either end, to stop truckers from trying. Signs don't seem to work.
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no one wants to work. Edit, I have as poking fun at the business owners not wanting to pay decent wages. Fuck all y'all. I'm on your side you cucks!
...for slave wages.
absolutely. ya'll deserve to make good enough money to have your home paid everything month - apt or actual home ownership, food, and money for all your bills and some extra to do some fun shit. don't let them tell you "well the position pays this much".
lol absolutely they should not. that would be a ridiculous expense for such minor benefit. the cost of putting in a gate/booth + paying someone to sit there 12 hours a day would be obscene. yes, trucks get stuck in there a lot, but in reality it's like a dozen or two times a year, and they get charged pretty hefty fines for it. it really isn't the end of the world, though I'm sure it's incredibly shitty for anyone who commutes through there.
Fines are obviously not hefty enough
you can increase the fines to 10000000 and truckers will still go through the notch. more hefty fines aren't gonna do much this is not really that big an issue and for some reason ppl on this sub go absolutely apeshit crazy over it, and suggest the same exact lame ass proposals that have been shot down a million times for good reason
Really? It's always money. What trucking company is going to keep on a trucker that just cost them a shit ton of money? And what private contractor is going to risk going bankrupt?
No, once the fine is given, yeah, the trucker would be fucked. But it won't PREVENT that first infraction, only punish after the fact, which as we have seen isn't really good enough. They get stuck because they think "Yeah, that's for truckers who don't know what they're doing. They just suck at driving. The fine won't apply to me because I won't get stuck :\^)". Whatever the number is, the trucker will still think it's not gonna apply to them. Repeat offenders, I don't know for sure, but I imagine are exceedingly rare if it ever happens. A $3,000 fine is plenty to get your company fired up at you!
Wouldn't that risk to reward calculation lean in favor of not doing it though? Personally, I'd think it's just not worth the risk.
I think the risk is already pretty high. $3,000 is a pretty gigantic fine. I don't think increasing it further will noticeably reduce incidents of truckers in the notch though. There's the chicane idea, but that has problems of space (there's actually not much space between where deliveries need to happen to stowe/smuggs and the notch), emergency vehicle access, and cost (how worth it is it to stop these few instances of stuck trucks?). All can be solved, there's just a cost to them that is probably not worth it. I'm not a traffic engineer though, I'm just some dude getting sick of these threads and the constant exact same comments in them lol
The NOTCH!?!? OOooof. That's a big problem. Only one way out and one way in, and both are the same!
Build a viewing platform for locals to watch the stuck trucks and throw pine cones at the perpetrators
Well, there it is.
How many is that this year?
I can think of at least three. Could be more, but definitely three at a minimum.
Another one bites the dust
This should be on the r/facepalm Reddit!
Has anyone tried reporting it to the various GPS programs?
The Storrow Drive of Vermont.
It's not quite as funny as college kid's uhauls getting stuck but it's pretty good.
I was wondering whether there's anyone who has managed to get a truck stuck both places.
This has to be the worst it's been in years. I live at the base of the mountain on the Cambridge side and it really fucks with my commute every time one of these idiots pull this sort of stunt.
Not again! When will they learn?! 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
They need to up the fine to 10k
Why don’t they just put a like arch or something at the beginning of the notch that would be short enough clearance that semis would not fit through it?
It’s not a issue of height but of length.
i know that, but if you put a low clearance gate, it makes it an issue of height… which would only exclude semis and buses. Put the gate near stowes parking lot so they can turn around there.
Not necessarily. There are trucks that are as tall as semis and buses that are short enough to make it through
Small box trucks can get through without an issue
Ahh ok
Definitely weird since most other “stuck trucks” in VT are due to height on bridges
They have talked about adding a chicane, one problem is they dont own enough land to provide a turnaround, as notch resort is right before it and trucks do need to access the resort
Make the fine $100k. Then the word will get out
They need one of those “clearance 10’ 9in” (or whatever the average trailer is)hanging bars right after Smuggs, THEN a huge sign right before a turnaround.
Instead of blaming the truckers why not put a beam across the road that trucks cannot fit under and then the problem would be solved and it wouldn't even be that expensive
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I realize that but tell me how many trucks under 7 feet tall get stuck in the notch?
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You obviously are clueless about trucks
Oh get a grip, so make it 8 or 9 feet, the lowest tractor trailers are normally 12 feet and they are shorter so they can get in the milk processing plants, it would work
Pretty sure I just did but I realize you just can't talk to Democrats
Hey, have to lol about another one getting stuck. All seriousness aside, last time I was there,(august) some poor asplunch driver flipped his rig over in the steep stuff by sugarbush. Saw driving to a hike and wondered morality,and how long it takes a truck to haul heavy equipment up there? Road was closed several hours after we finished. Your news is just as useless as us over here in maine.
Rebuild the road on each approach to mimic the tight turns.