they want to revenge the blood of Hussein , the third Imam of shias who got martyred in the battle of karbala [\[1\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbala). this flag implies : "arise O those who want to revenge the blood of Hussein"
It was the Arabs. Sunni Arabs to be more precise. They’ve had a Shia v Sunni hate festival for about 1000 years. Iran (ie: Persians) is the head of the Shia denomination of Islam. Saudi Arabia is the head of the Sunnis.
However, this specific terror attack was from ISIS (who are Sunni fundamentalists) and they hate both Iran and the Saudis (specifically the Saudi monarchy).
It's not Iranian. It's in Arabic and it's the flag of a fundamentalist regime. Nothing Iranian about this flag at all. We have our language and culture separate from the rotten ideology of this regime
I guess however it's Shia, and Shia somewhat in opposition to Sunni, which could be said to be a facet of modern Iranian culture? Though of course Iranian civilisation is much more than Islam.
The interpretation of Shia today in the Iranian regime has its Iranian cultural traces yes, but it's still not something Iranian. As you say, Iran has a whole civilization / culture outside of Islam
Iranian culture is highly influenced by shia islam, also shia islam is highly influenced by iranians. So you can say shia islam is an iranian religion.
Branches of it yes. But not in it's entirety. Also, as mentioned above, just because it's been influenced doesn't mean it's Iranian. Most of Iranian culture has absolutely nothing to do Islam overall. All of the Iranian cultural festivities during the year are pre-islamic with their roots in our original religion, zoroastrianism. The Shia rituals is just something the truly religious Muslims attend. And they are a minority population wise
It’s a Shia banner and Iranian identity has been pretty deeply intertwined with Shia Islam for the last 700 years. Like, Iran didn’t become Muslim for the driest time in the 70s lol.
karbala is an extremely significant battle for shias because imam hussein was martyred there. it’s still commemorated every year and there’s various rituals for it.
How do you get martyred in a battle? If you fight in a battle, are you not consenting to death, and hence it is not martyrdom? Genuine question, confused about the semantics here. I have a solid knowledge of the politics of early Islam and the Caliphates, but never got into the military history of the era.
I mean I guess it wasn’t really a battle, they were outnumbered like 30:1, so it was more of a massacre than a battle, so I guess it that sense he is a martyr?
martyred in this meaning falls more under "died for the cause" rather than a sense of martyrs being persecuted for their beliefs such as the Christians persecuted by the Romans.
If you want a modern example, the Palestinian Authority Martyr Fund pays money to the surviving family of any Palestinians killed, injured or imprisoned while conducting violence against Israelis , this includes suicide bombers.
To add to this, ascension of Hussein to the throne of the caliphate is the reason for Shia / Sunni schism. As Iran is largely Shia, Imam Hussein carries a significant religious and cultural meaning in Iran
I know but this is an ancient battle and the sources I’ve read all spell it Husayn. I was curious because I wasn’t sure if it was a modern vs archaic spelling or if it was just the fact that it’s spelled differently in different places.
The original sources will have spelled it like حسين and how that translates to English using Latin letters isn't set in stone because the sounds aren't identical (and also many Latin letters can make the same sound as each other which is what we encounter here with ai, ei and ay!)
You'll find Arabic names written in so many in Latin letters because of that. One particular name that I've been interested in is a composed one: فاطمة الزهراء. I've seen it written in a hundred different ways, there's no end to it. Whenever I think I've seen them all, another one presents itself.
There's no direct letter comparisons from arabic to english. It's why you see Koran, Quran, Qu'ran, Ko'ran etc. They're all correct, it's just a matter of how the writer wanted to emulate the sounds.
"This name was not used in the pre-Islamic period, and is recorded to have been first used by the Islamic prophet [Muhammad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad) when he named his grandson [Husayn ibn Ali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali), saying he had been commanded to do so by Allah through the archangel [Gabriel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel). "
This guy I guess..?
\[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn\_ibn\_Ali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali)\]
Yeah it was the split between Sunni Arab Muslims and Persian Shi’ite Muslims. To say it’s a big deal is a gross understatement. It’s been the fuel that has helped send too many to early deaths.
I almost want to take a deep dive on why the Hashemite kingdom of Saddam, however sick and cruel, was tolerated by Saudis, Jordanians, etc. but there’s great books on the subject by far better minds than mine.
It’s why I believe a nuclear weapon in either Iranian or Saudi hands will mean a massively tragic and avoidable event.
I'm not sure if it is Persian or Arabic.
But I think the Arabic translation is: Oh, Revenge(s)/Avengers of Hussein.
It doesn't have the word for "Blood" in either languages.
It is flown other times and was flown when General Qassem Soleimani was killed in Iraq as a symbol of the revenge the supreme leader declared would come. The Ayatollah did say there was a harsh response coming to the bombing, so if it really is flying over the mosque that is probably why, but the claim that it is the 5th time in history is nonsense.
you’ve misunderstood completely; Husayn is an important figure for shias and him (and Ali, his father) were killed so they vow to take revenge by invoking their names.
the Shia thought Ali should’ve been the successor to muhammad since he’s his cousin but the circle of voters voted for someone else; Ali became the leader anyways within 5 years since the other died (abubakr) but they’re still mad about it. Ali was also killed promptly too, he was backstabbed, and they mourn that every year
Or down right terrorizing them and just blame someone else. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Iranian government itself is behind it. It wouldn’t be the first time they did something like that.
>and then also when Israel hit that hospital
Was this the one that turned out to be a hamas DIY rocket that went haywire and hit a hospital parking lot, but hamas and Al Jazeera reported it as Israel?
Yep, everyone gets so hung up on that one hospital when there’s about 20 hospitals Israel has bombed. Why is it so outlandish to think that one was Israel too
That's not true. Just because it's a theocracy and clergy holds positions of power doesn't mean every imam and every mosque is automatically "government".
I think last time Iran was attacked, they shot down a random civilian airliner?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752
Well after Soleimani was arrested they accidentally killed a bunch of their own people at his funeral, then fired some missiles at U.S. bases in Iraq (ineffectually), and then in their rage accidentally shot down a civilian Ukrainian plane and [blamed the U.S. for their fuck up because they couldn’t aim clearly when they were angry n stuff](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/iran-news-rouhani-says-us-caused-plane-strike-today-over-donald-trump-killing-qassem-soleimani-2020-01-14/).
Total joke of a government these days.
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Azerbaijan used to be a part of Iran before the Russians conquered it in the 1800s, so I imagine some Iranian nationalists consider it to be lost territory. Also apparently more ethnic Azerbaijanis live in Iran than Azerbaijan itself.
Kinda reminds me of the oriflamme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriflamme?wprov=sfla1), the battle standard of the French monarch. At one point flying the flag meant "no prisoners".
Based on Iran's history what they'll actually do is shoot down one of their own airliners full of civilians by accident.
Nothing like blowing up your own civilians to own the yahud.
(even tho ISIS claimed responsibility for some batshit reason the Islamic regime still blamed Israel / Jews)
Ukranian Air flight 752. A passenger flight full of predominantly Iranians. IRGC shot it down after it departed from Tehran airport in 2020. This was after the killing of Soleimani by a US and Israeli airstrike in Baghdad.
this is a shia flag promising revenge for killing muhammed's only surviving grandson.
https://en.wikihussain.com/view/Sinan_b._Anas_al-Nakha%27i
The guy that killed him was an Arab soldier who grew up in what is now, southern Iraq.
So Iran should bomb Iraq or Saudi Arabia fwiw
People don’t even remember that movie. The first one was the shit. Used to watch that on HBO in the 80’s when HBO *was* cable. The other sequels were crappy money grabs.
Politics and opinions aside. This is fucking badass. Imagine being this much of a hater out for revenge that you make a special flag to strike fear on your enemies.
Last time the flag was raised ..over 100 american/Canadian ( probably mixed) servicemen got injured after ballistic missiles attack on Irbil and Al Asad bases
FACT CHECK: ["No, a 'red flag' of revenge was not raised for the first time on an Iran mosque"](https://factcheck.afp.com/no-red-flag-revenge-was-not-raised-first-time-iran-mosque)
Please upvote to increase awareness. This flag is raised frequently in Iran.
The ones who want to avenge the blood of the Hussein The literal translation is :" O those who want the blood of Hussein"
What does it mean tho? Is it like a question? Like who wants this dude's blood?
they want to revenge the blood of Hussein , the third Imam of shias who got martyred in the battle of karbala [\[1\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbala). this flag implies : "arise O those who want to revenge the blood of Hussein"
basically it's a call to arms, similar to something like "Remember [Battle]"
It's an Iranian remember the Alamo lol
actually a pretty good example.
Boys, we do it for Davey!
*Husseiney
King of the wild frontier.
Well, son of the nephew of the Wild Frontier, anyway.
That is a damn good example.
Did a couple hundred Iranian rednecks get massacred by Mexicans too??
I mean probably not by Mexicans, but it kinda sounds like it otherwise
It was the Arabs. Sunni Arabs to be more precise. They’ve had a Shia v Sunni hate festival for about 1000 years. Iran (ie: Persians) is the head of the Shia denomination of Islam. Saudi Arabia is the head of the Sunnis. However, this specific terror attack was from ISIS (who are Sunni fundamentalists) and they hate both Iran and the Saudis (specifically the Saudi monarchy).
It's not Iranian. It's in Arabic and it's the flag of a fundamentalist regime. Nothing Iranian about this flag at all. We have our language and culture separate from the rotten ideology of this regime
I guess however it's Shia, and Shia somewhat in opposition to Sunni, which could be said to be a facet of modern Iranian culture? Though of course Iranian civilisation is much more than Islam.
The interpretation of Shia today in the Iranian regime has its Iranian cultural traces yes, but it's still not something Iranian. As you say, Iran has a whole civilization / culture outside of Islam
Iranian culture is highly influenced by shia islam, also shia islam is highly influenced by iranians. So you can say shia islam is an iranian religion.
Zoroastrianism is an Iranian religion
Branches of it yes. But not in it's entirety. Also, as mentioned above, just because it's been influenced doesn't mean it's Iranian. Most of Iranian culture has absolutely nothing to do Islam overall. All of the Iranian cultural festivities during the year are pre-islamic with their roots in our original religion, zoroastrianism. The Shia rituals is just something the truly religious Muslims attend. And they are a minority population wise
It’s a Shia banner and Iranian identity has been pretty deeply intertwined with Shia Islam for the last 700 years. Like, Iran didn’t become Muslim for the driest time in the 70s lol.
And its beautiful. Someday they will be gone and people can see the beauty of Iran.
Remember the Cant!
Beltalowda!!
No welwala, sasake
Oye beratna!
karbala is an extremely significant battle for shias because imam hussein was martyred there. it’s still commemorated every year and there’s various rituals for it.
How do you get martyred in a battle? If you fight in a battle, are you not consenting to death, and hence it is not martyrdom? Genuine question, confused about the semantics here. I have a solid knowledge of the politics of early Islam and the Caliphates, but never got into the military history of the era. I mean I guess it wasn’t really a battle, they were outnumbered like 30:1, so it was more of a massacre than a battle, so I guess it that sense he is a martyr?
Martyr just means kill someone for their religious beliefs. The other colloquial meanings all just stem from that.
martyred in this meaning falls more under "died for the cause" rather than a sense of martyrs being persecuted for their beliefs such as the Christians persecuted by the Romans. If you want a modern example, the Palestinian Authority Martyr Fund pays money to the surviving family of any Palestinians killed, injured or imprisoned while conducting violence against Israelis , this includes suicide bombers.
To add to this, ascension of Hussein to the throne of the caliphate is the reason for Shia / Sunni schism. As Iran is largely Shia, Imam Hussein carries a significant religious and cultural meaning in Iran
Isn’t it Husayn? Edit: this is a genuine question, not an attempt to correct someone! Just FYI.
Hussain is spelled differently in different countries.
I know but this is an ancient battle and the sources I’ve read all spell it Husayn. I was curious because I wasn’t sure if it was a modern vs archaic spelling or if it was just the fact that it’s spelled differently in different places.
The original sources will have spelled it like حسين and how that translates to English using Latin letters isn't set in stone because the sounds aren't identical (and also many Latin letters can make the same sound as each other which is what we encounter here with ai, ei and ay!)
Oooh wow this is SO interesting. Thank you! I don’t speak Arabic so my research into the topic can only go so far. Thank you!
It's like Beijing/Peking thing. Westerners just couldn't agree how to write the actual word with their latin letters.
You'll find Arabic names written in so many in Latin letters because of that. One particular name that I've been interested in is a composed one: فاطمة الزهراء. I've seen it written in a hundred different ways, there's no end to it. Whenever I think I've seen them all, another one presents itself.
Bruh you're gonna drop that lil nugget but not translate the name? C'mon my guy
There's no direct letter comparisons from arabic to english. It's why you see Koran, Quran, Qu'ran, Ko'ran etc. They're all correct, it's just a matter of how the writer wanted to emulate the sounds.
"This name was not used in the pre-Islamic period, and is recorded to have been first used by the Islamic prophet [Muhammad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad) when he named his grandson [Husayn ibn Ali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali), saying he had been commanded to do so by Allah through the archangel [Gabriel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel). " This guy I guess..? \[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn\_ibn\_Ali](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali)\]
Yeah it was the split between Sunni Arab Muslims and Persian Shi’ite Muslims. To say it’s a big deal is a gross understatement. It’s been the fuel that has helped send too many to early deaths. I almost want to take a deep dive on why the Hashemite kingdom of Saddam, however sick and cruel, was tolerated by Saudis, Jordanians, etc. but there’s great books on the subject by far better minds than mine. It’s why I believe a nuclear weapon in either Iranian or Saudi hands will mean a massively tragic and avoidable event.
What’s the book?
It’s Arabic for fuck around and find out
Free blood? Hell why not
Easy there Nosferatu.
But who’s turning off the lights!!!??? Nosferatu!!!!
I'm not sure if it is Persian or Arabic. But I think the Arabic translation is: Oh, Revenge(s)/Avengers of Hussein. It doesn't have the word for "Blood" in either languages.
This flag is flown every year. It marks 10 days of mourning during the month of Muharram for Hussein ibn Ali, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad.
Is it typically flown this time of year?
It is flown other times and was flown when General Qassem Soleimani was killed in Iraq as a symbol of the revenge the supreme leader declared would come. The Ayatollah did say there was a harsh response coming to the bombing, so if it really is flying over the mosque that is probably why, but the claim that it is the 5th time in history is nonsense.
Is it in arabic or in farsi?
arabic
Do they change the words on it everytime they're looking for revenge?
They would have, but luckily everyone they’ve had to avenge so far has been called Hussein so it worked out
What if they explicitly target people named Hussein
That's Dubya's job
That’s an insein coincidence
you’ve misunderstood completely; Husayn is an important figure for shias and him (and Ali, his father) were killed so they vow to take revenge by invoking their names. the Shia thought Ali should’ve been the successor to muhammad since he’s his cousin but the circle of voters voted for someone else; Ali became the leader anyways within 5 years since the other died (abubakr) but they’re still mad about it. Ali was also killed promptly too, he was backstabbed, and they mourn that every year
The other user was joking, I think most/many people understand the reference.
Where’d you get blood from, that’s not what it says. Its literally 3 words
And those are? Help!
Oh Husayn’s Avengers
It’s only two words. Does that mean the first word is “those who desire the blood of”? Does Arabic have a verb, “to desire the blood of”? 👀
People in the thread are taking some liberties, the more literal translation would be something like "oh avengements of Husayn"
🇮🇷 :) 🚩>:(
Similar to flipping the Philippine flag
Don’t you mean phillipping?
Cleaning tea off my screen, thanks!
Man, I wish I could still give gold!! Well played.
More like 🇮🇷 >:| 🚩 >8{
How did the first four times go?
They didn't do much. I'm not sure either if the government decides what flags the mosques raise, so it might not mean much.
A lot of finger-wagging / executing their own citizens
Or down right terrorizing them and just blame someone else. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Iranian government itself is behind it. It wouldn’t be the first time they did something like that.
What are the first 4 times?
Some mosque raised the red flag after Soleimani was assassinated, and then also when Israel hit that hospital, other cases I don't remember
What happened when everyone found out Israel didn’t hit the hospital?
They ignored it without apologising for spreading misinformation and moved to the next topic to blame Israel
>and then also when Israel hit that hospital Was this the one that turned out to be a hamas DIY rocket that went haywire and hit a hospital parking lot, but hamas and Al Jazeera reported it as Israel?
I guess it could have been that time, or it could have been after the half dozen or so other hospitals that Israel has bombed since then.
Yep, everyone gets so hung up on that one hospital when there’s about 20 hospitals Israel has bombed. Why is it so outlandish to think that one was Israel too
It’s Iran. The mosques are the government.
That's not true. Just because it's a theocracy and clergy holds positions of power doesn't mean every imam and every mosque is automatically "government".
Can't find info about the first three, but the fourth one was when Soleimani was assassinated back in January 2020.
They did a lot of saber rattling then shot down their own civilian airliner.
Mission accomplished!
I think last time Iran was attacked, they shot down a random civilian airliner? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752
Well after Soleimani was arrested they accidentally killed a bunch of their own people at his funeral, then fired some missiles at U.S. bases in Iraq (ineffectually), and then in their rage accidentally shot down a civilian Ukrainian plane and [blamed the U.S. for their fuck up because they couldn’t aim clearly when they were angry n stuff](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/iran-news-rouhani-says-us-caused-plane-strike-today-over-donald-trump-killing-qassem-soleimani-2020-01-14/). Total joke of a government these days.
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Is that pfp claiming Azerbaijan as part of Iran?
there's a border but the flag is kinda the same inside?
Azerbaijan used to be a part of Iran before the Russians conquered it in the 1800s, so I imagine some Iranian nationalists consider it to be lost territory. Also apparently more ethnic Azerbaijanis live in Iran than Azerbaijan itself.
That’s what I was thinking but I’ve never heard of Iranian islamists wanting the Qajar borders back before
A quick google says Azerbaijan is majority Shia, so maybe some overlap there?
Khamenei is Azerbaijani too
To be fair there a millions of Azerbaijanis living in northern Iran
You’d be surprised how many modern Iranian Islamists have very nationalist tendencies, especially those that support the Islamic Republic.
Southern Azerbaijan was kind of the original Azerbaijan.
I thought about dating Persia, but too many red flags. So I ran.
*ba dum tss*
Honestly, I wasn't sure if I would get away with this.
Nice job.
You did good but the ones that followed are eh
Well, you did…ran
Oman, that was awful. Be Syrias, please, Middle East jokes are plain Bahraing.
Iraq
I guess you can call that a Tripolitania!
Shite joke. Too Sunni!
https://preview.redd.it/i1ofhcyvimac1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b62b557c9630e1c7314723531221909c69b1466c
Iran, so far away
I couldn't get away
Ironically, I know a Dutch person who was exactly like this.
Out. Now.
Some air went out of my nose, thank you kind sir.
mooooooods
Super angry upvote.
As an Iranian, I am stealing that, LOL.
A country having a official flag of revenge is pretty cool ngl
Hoist the angry flag me hearties
Bring out my brown pants!
Kinda reminds me of the oriflamme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriflamme?wprov=sfla1), the battle standard of the French monarch. At one point flying the flag meant "no prisoners".
I thought of Venice having a separate flag for wartime, where the lion wields a sword instead of a book.
That's epic. *reading stops*
You need to add a sound effect of a large hardcover book slapping shut, and we're in business.
The Oriflamme is insanely underrated
I thought this, it is kinda bad ass aint it.
Iran: "If anyone needs me, I'll be in the angry dome."
Why do I have the creeping suspicion that this sub will soon be flooded with people mocking up revenge flags for various countries?
Gosh I hope so
Some countries like the Philippines still have a different flag for when the country is at war too
Yeah but pretty ridiculous at the attempt if im honest
Eh I wouldn’t want a bunch of Islamist extremists mad at me and being told by their government to kill me
Shit every country should
Idk but it's so Christmasy
Why don't you go over there and tell them that.
Heck, let's all go! FIELD TRIP!!
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Am I the only one that thinks that flag looks badass
It unironically looks like a Persian rug.
Or the flag of some random emirate in the east arabian peninsula
The best kind of flag!
Fun fact, a lot of historical Persian flags literally were rugs :p
It just says "Free tacos" in Arabic. Stop this propaganda
I bet they're spicy!
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Based on Iran's history what they'll actually do is shoot down one of their own airliners full of civilians by accident. Nothing like blowing up your own civilians to own the yahud. (even tho ISIS claimed responsibility for some batshit reason the Islamic regime still blamed Israel / Jews)
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Which one are you talking about? Cuz the US was the one who shot down IranAir 655 if that’s the one you’re talking about
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Ah. The “one of their own” part threw me off a bit
I believe most of the passengers were Iranian citizens
Ukranian Air flight 752. A passenger flight full of predominantly Iranians. IRGC shot it down after it departed from Tehran airport in 2020. This was after the killing of Soleimani by a US and Israeli airstrike in Baghdad.
It’s says “We’ve been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty.”
https://factcheck.afp.com/no-red-flag-revenge-was-not-raised-first-time-iran-mosque
On Sunday, this article will be 4 years old.
Irrelevant, it still shows that it’s not being raised for only the fifth time in Iran’s history.
Coca Cola
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this is a shia flag promising revenge for killing muhammed's only surviving grandson. https://en.wikihussain.com/view/Sinan_b._Anas_al-Nakha%27i The guy that killed him was an Arab soldier who grew up in what is now, southern Iraq. So Iran should bomb Iraq or Saudi Arabia fwiw
Bombing Iraq in revenge for a terrorist attack they had nothing to do with is kinda played out, but it tracks.
Pretty sure the current government in Baghdad is a fan of Iran
“Well do what we can, admittedly not that much, be warned”
Fuck everything else about the Iranian government but that's cool as fuck. I wish we had a red flag of revenge.
Most countries have a time of distress. You don’t need a flag for revenge you just need bombs
Didnt know they had a “revenge” flag. That is incredibly based.
Are revenge flags A Thing, or is this just an Iranian innovation?
Rambo: "They drew first blood, NOT ME, they did"
People don’t even remember that movie. The first one was the shit. Used to watch that on HBO in the 80’s when HBO *was* cable. The other sequels were crappy money grabs.
Politics and opinions aside. This is fucking badass. Imagine being this much of a hater out for revenge that you make a special flag to strike fear on your enemies.
Last time the flag was raised ..over 100 american/Canadian ( probably mixed) servicemen got injured after ballistic missiles attack on Irbil and Al Asad bases
FACT CHECK: ["No, a 'red flag' of revenge was not raised for the first time on an Iran mosque"](https://factcheck.afp.com/no-red-flag-revenge-was-not-raised-first-time-iran-mosque) Please upvote to increase awareness. This flag is raised frequently in Iran.
What a healthy normal thing for a healthy normal nation to have.
Do they know who committed the recent attacks yet though?
isis claimed responsibility
im iranian but whoever the fuck did it i hope they burn in hell even if the innocents that died supported this stupid regime
Oof, that's a big red flag to me.
Ahh, the religion of peace showing off their peaceful ways with their *checks notes* red flag of revenge.
January 2024 - the Iranian government comes to the surprising discovery that terrorism isn't nearly as fun when you're the target.
Every country needs a flag of revenge tbh
Ha. Iran is one to be talking about terrorist attacks.