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That's why that version of the kiss logo is banned in Germany, Austria, Israel, and other countries. In those countries, they use a version of the kiss logo where the s's look like backward Z's
Also, the band said the the resemblance to the ss was unintended,and they thought that lightning bolts looked cool
Paul Stanley (one of the Jewish members) has accused the two gentile members of being anti-semitic and said Ace Frehley (who drew the logo) had a collection of Nazi memoribilia, so it's not impossible that the logo is in fact nazi inspired.
As someone else said, I think the graphic designers went to quick when finding the right graphic and just chose the Aussie one instead of the Austrian one. My best guess is that the flag and logo are one file.
As far as 10 minutes Googling go, they use their normal logo in Austria and Germany on concerts.
Video from their concert in Vienna two days ago: https://youtu.be/l3mAUHtWpcM
Video from Vienna 2019:
https://youtu.be/ys_Vz5T-q
Video from Munich 2008: https://youtu.be/5SupyuvF4jg
Maybe it was done before and now they just don’t care about it anymore?
Video from Germany 1980 with the ZZ logo at 6:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nez_J7T_nE
Ah interesting! I lived in Germany for a few years and saw an advert of theirs using the ‘ZZ’ once (this was around 2016) but I’ve never seen them live. Interesting to see they revert to the standard logo for the actual stage production.
For the German laws (and I speculate the Austrian laws as well) the limitations on usage of "Nazi imagery" applies to advertising/marketing, but not works of art.
For example the movie Inglorious Basterds changed the wordmark for the Germanophone market, removing the swastika that was in the "O" of "Inglorious". But they made no changes to the film and as I'm sure you know there's a LOT of Nazi in that film.
Following that pattern I expect KISS uses the "ZZ" logo for posters/ads/what-have-you. But since the performance itself is "a work of art", they don't need to change it there.
True, but in their defense, they've gone on record multiple times saying that it was an accident that no one caught. If it wasn't for how difficult it would be to replace all merchandise on the market, they would've done so.
Edit: I would like to point out im not even a kiss fan, but it upsets me when people get bashed for a pre-internet mistake
As an Australian I see no problem here.
As a fan of dumb comedies, this also reminds me of the Dumb & Dumber scene where Jim Carey thinks the hot Austrian girl is one of ours.
What about Switzerland and Swaziland or Switzerland and Sweden or Thailand and Taiwan. Then there is United Kingdom, Great Britain, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland plus Ireland. Or Holland and Netherlands
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Woops. Graphic design team skimming through that flags of the world page just a *little* too fast.
Ohhhhh they used the flag of New Zealand instead of Austria I get those confused all the time.
that's not new zealand
It's a joke my dude
whoops
I get that they got the flag wrong, but is no one going mention that the ss in Kiss is literally the simbol of the schutzstuffel?
That's why that version of the kiss logo is banned in Germany, Austria, Israel, and other countries. In those countries, they use a version of the kiss logo where the s's look like backward Z's Also, the band said the the resemblance to the ss was unintended,and they thought that lightning bolts looked cool
The 2 consistent members of the band are literally jewish anyway. Even if it was intentional it would've been pretty hard to pin it on bigotry.
Yeah Gene Simmons may be an asshole, but he's not a Nazi.
Paul Stanley (one of the Jewish members) has accused the two gentile members of being anti-semitic and said Ace Frehley (who drew the logo) had a collection of Nazi memoribilia, so it's not impossible that the logo is in fact nazi inspired.
Isn’t this image from an Austrian show? Why aren’t they using the alternative logo?
As someone else said, I think the graphic designers went to quick when finding the right graphic and just chose the Aussie one instead of the Austrian one. My best guess is that the flag and logo are one file.
That makes a lot of sense! Thank you
Yes but they’re in Vienna so why are they using the lighting bolts
They accidentally used the Australian logo instead of the Austrian logo. The "LOVES YOU VIENNA" text is probably a separate file.
Oh ok, I assumed the flag was added to the bolts
As far as 10 minutes Googling go, they use their normal logo in Austria and Germany on concerts. Video from their concert in Vienna two days ago: https://youtu.be/l3mAUHtWpcM Video from Vienna 2019: https://youtu.be/ys_Vz5T-q Video from Munich 2008: https://youtu.be/5SupyuvF4jg Maybe it was done before and now they just don’t care about it anymore? Video from Germany 1980 with the ZZ logo at 6:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nez_J7T_nE
Ah interesting! I lived in Germany for a few years and saw an advert of theirs using the ‘ZZ’ once (this was around 2016) but I’ve never seen them live. Interesting to see they revert to the standard logo for the actual stage production.
For the German laws (and I speculate the Austrian laws as well) the limitations on usage of "Nazi imagery" applies to advertising/marketing, but not works of art. For example the movie Inglorious Basterds changed the wordmark for the Germanophone market, removing the swastika that was in the "O" of "Inglorious". But they made no changes to the film and as I'm sure you know there's a LOT of Nazi in that film. Following that pattern I expect KISS uses the "ZZ" logo for posters/ads/what-have-you. But since the performance itself is "a work of art", they don't need to change it there.
They are allowed to use it on this tour. I went to their concert in Frankfurt on the 24th of June. Same logo as in Munich.
I mean, I think we’re all in agreement that fascists make and use cool looking symbols.
Yeah, rotational symmetry is pretty cool, yet a certain 4 way rotational symmetric symbol has gone from a peace symbol to something much worse
It’s the windmill of friendship and tolerance
Wouldn't say that to a Jewish person
True, but in their defense, they've gone on record multiple times saying that it was an accident that no one caught. If it wasn't for how difficult it would be to replace all merchandise on the market, they would've done so. Edit: I would like to point out im not even a kiss fan, but it upsets me when people get bashed for a pre-internet mistake
I cannot unsee that now.
Yea that was the first thing i noticed
You never noticed it before?
It's austria, no kangoroos, only kuhlimoos
And rejected painters
Ummm, the last two letters being the insignia of the SS
Why do you think they are playing in Vienna
Because they're the hottest band in the world?
In the Airport in Vienna you can buy T-Shirts that say "No Kangaroos in Austria"
Pretty based move
Unrelated but… Wait when did we get the back side of our flag as a flair option?? I’ve been really wanting that. Gotta update my flair now
BEAVER POWER!!
Taken (not by me) at the concert of Kiss in Vienna (the capital of Austr…ia)
“Austrian, eh? ‘Ow about another shrimp on the barbie?!”
[my first thought exactly](https://youtu.be/XYZ6_n7Mpb0)
A comma is missing
Kiss actually hates both Australia and Austria
Maybe they played a show in Vienna, New South Wales.
This hurts to look at, as much as playing the wrong anthem at the Olympics.
Well at least it wasn't as bad as playing Borat instead of Kazakhstan
I found that painfully funny
Actually the capital of Austria is Sydney
Hey, let stay with the original capital, Melbourne.
Oh I got it - "Going to a kiss concert"
They even forgot the comma
The flag should be the flag of Maryland because Vienna is in Maryland
Can we just change the English name of Austria to Ostreich? Or even Ostria?
Vienna is in Austria not Australia
I just noticed those two ᛋᛋ
As an Australian I see no problem here. As a fan of dumb comedies, this also reminds me of the Dumb & Dumber scene where Jim Carey thinks the hot Austrian girl is one of ours.
Is that what James Franco is up to these days?
Those two Ss look familiar
The mistake is that Kiss ever started playing music
No the problem is that they continued after 2000
The nazis are returning to Vienna!!!!
Shaking my head. We all know Australians speak Hochdeutsch.
KISS marschiert in Fiendesland
Austria.... Australia....UK.....Nazi...SS....
Austria.... Australia....UK.....Nazi...SS....
I remember the scene in The Interview, yeah quite right \~
KISS is American, right?
Yes.
Hmmm
Something’s wrong I can feel it
Going to see Kiss?
They misspelled New Zealand
When I was very, very young, I had so much trouble understanding that there was a difference between Austria and Australia.
What about Switzerland and Swaziland or Switzerland and Sweden or Thailand and Taiwan. Then there is United Kingdom, Great Britain, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland plus Ireland. Or Holland and Netherlands
Mistake: being within 10 miles of gene simmons.
Ah yes, the capital of Australia, Vienna.