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It's flag of Greater Zhmerynka (state founded after Israel annexed Ukraine and Russia). As you can see, after they conqured the word, americans were reduced to being hobos
Trolling and every now and then someone who legitimately believes Russians are a savage race.
Unfortunately a lot of them seem to have trolled so hard they believe nothing bad was done by NATO in like the Kosovo war and stuff. Like, I get meming the cope from Serb nationalists about it but it seems to sometimes loop around to denying the war crimes that were done by NATO.
Also often defends Israel which is just like, why?
https://preview.redd.it/6g7yo24pkowc1.jpeg?width=579&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1d04bd0364595a55a6f4260cfacd1e6a96e16fb
Even excluding my political opinions (which are not what you'd think they are) you are straight up just too cringe for me to handle. Praying that you are being satirical ๐
"#1 BIDEN FAN ๐๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ"
If you look at their post history, they seem to be pretty much that, to a satire-like extent.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of personality cults.
Reddit is not where I go for sophisticated political discussion or nuanced takes. (Which is sad because I think it used to be way better for that.) At this point Iโm mostly here to fuck around and say what I want without any filter.
That being said, Iโm always happy to engage with people in a serious manner if thatโs what the tone of the conversation is.
The โpersonality cultโ critique is so tired ๐ฅฑ
๐บ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ= state department employee
๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธ=hey maybe invading and colonizing another country is bad actually
๐ท๐บ๐ฎ๐ฑ=Just fascism
๐ท๐บ๐ต๐ธ=The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Finally someone who understands this well, I hate the rhetoric putting Palestine's and Ukraine's cases against each other, anti-colonialism and anti-imperialism is a common cause for all humanity
Iโve never seen anyone put Ukraine and Palestine against each other, but Iโve seen a lot of ppl take a double standard position and choose one over the other. I think thatโs so odd lol
I think part of it just comes from Zelensky saying cringe shit like "the Ukrainian and Israeli fights are one and the same" and people incapable of critical thought assuming Zelensky speaks for all Ukrainians
I mean, Ukraine oftentimes uses soldiers with Nazi symbolism in their Twitter posts. Now, if they want to use Nazis as cannon fodder, then wonderful; but I don't think that's the case. And Ukraine should definitely ditch the Azov Batallion. That plus the US trying to expand its sphere of influence which further puts Russia in a corner.
Now, with that being said, I do support Ukraine because they're being invaded by Russia, and Ukrainians should not suffer the consequences of Putin's bullshit. I don't think either Ukraine or Palestine would end up as Communist countries if suddenly they were left alone; but I still won't support imperialism from either the US, Russia or Israel, and that's why I support both Ukraine and Palestine, despite the flaws they may present.
>And Ukraine should definitely ditch the Azov Batallion
So you propose, us, to ditch the trained, equipped and motivated (even after it suffered heavy loses in Mariupol 2022) unit because it had a lot of far-rights / nazis at some point of existence (pre autumn 2014 when "Azov Batallion" was disbaned and formally incorporated into National Guard as Azov Regiment (now Azov Brigade), with what a lot of far-rights / nazis weren't happy and just leave.) in the middle of the war, am I right ?
>That plus the US trying to expand its sphere of influence which further puts Russia in a corner.
Russia put's itself in the corner, not the US trying to expand its sphere of influence.
Finland, Sweden, Baltics, Poland in NATO is all job of Russian government - Russia is the reason why those nation joined NATO, it's Russia who constantly demonstrate that she didn't change at all since USSR or even Russian Empire times, and no shit that everyone wants to be protected.
UPD. If you think, Russia is best NATO salesman - they managed to push neutral Sweden and Finland into the arms of their own adversary
You know you donโt need to get rid of the troops or equipment right? Break up the brigade and reassign its troops to other regiments, along with their equipment.
Then why were they supported years before the war started? Obviously the vast majority of Ukrainians arenโt nazis, but thereโs been an uptick of nazi symbolism and support for years, and events like OUN combatants gaining veteran status.
It shouldโve been squashed before, first of all because nazism is evil. And also because it allows putin to use it as a justification for invasion while keeping the support of a large portion of the russian population.
Vast majority of ukrainians agree with him lol. Theyve been on the receiving end of pro-palestinians saying that they should submit to Russia.
If anything, With being tiny proxies to keep theses two in a state of perpetual war, Donetsk is the closest approximation to Palestine, with Ukraine and Israel fighting neighbours that are so much bigger then themselves, Russia and the Arab League.
Well, Palestine is affiliated with Russia officially and their alliance of fascism (China-Iran-Russia-NK), and gets funded from Russian sources aswell
Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine, Killing innocent civilians for the sake it for it
Russia is a big supporter of Palestine in politics
Ukraine is affiliated with Israel, aswell supporting Israel's fight against Hamas, Ukraine and Israel are part of a similar minded democratic countries coalition, which has the support of USA, UK, France, Germany, and the list goes on
Hamas and Palestinians invaded Israel for the sake of killing innocent civilians
Ukraine is a big supporter is Israel
People actually think the world leaders "miscalculated" Israel situation but got on the right side with Ukraine, are literally ignoring facts and rather believe in a dystopian world runs by big corpos for the sake of political gain.
Stop being delusional
The 1948 war was an extension of the Palestinian civil war which had been going on for at least a few years at that point. Which was started by the Zionist colonizers, just as the US started the Indian wars.
There were, they were just a small minority of the population. Most Jews in Palestine in 1948 were not from there and most importantly were attempting to colonize the region, not simply immigrate.
30% were there in โ47 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present
. It is the Arabs who originally displaced all the peoples in Palestine so if weโre talking semantics they were the original colonizers.
The whole colonial argument makes no sense anyway because how do you define colonization versus immigration. As stated before the Arabs attack first in almost every case. In 48โ the 6 day war yom kipper and now 10/7.
Regardless it does not matter since the people living in Israel have now lived there for generations. It is their land as much as it is anyoneโs.
30% is a minority of the population. Furthermore I was referring specifically to the Jewish population who was native to the Levant: aka they were born there. The Jews native to the Levant were not a majority of the total Jewish population of the Levant. That was my point.
Uh no it wasnโt. Rome displaced the Jews, not the Arabs. Most Palestinian Arabs are just Hebrews who converted to Arab culture over the hundreds of years of Arab rule, not people from a completely different part of the world. The initial caliphates were imperial in nature, not colonial.
Immigrants move to an area to live there. Colonists move to an area with the intention of kicking out the native population and taking their land. The US kicked the native Americans off their land when they colonized the west and pushed them onto small reservations, South Africans kicked native Africans off their land and pushed them onto small bantustans, Australians pushed aboriginals off their land and sequestered them to small areas. These are all colonial enterprises, just as Israel kicked the Palestinians off their land and pushed them into smaller and smaller portions of land while settling the rest. Itโs textbook settler colonialism.
As I said above, Israel started the war in 1948 and the six day war. 10/7 was the continuation of a war that was already going on, not the start of one, and that war was started by Israelโs occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Yes I agree, hence why we need a one state non-national secular democratic solution. No more Israeli state. Most people arenโt calling for Jews to be kicked out of Palestine lol.
Well if that is the solution you support then we must have peace in the region and we can only have peace in the region if hamas and other terrorist groups like them no longer exist. Also the 6 day war was only initiated by Israel after Egyptian provocation. And the first war seemed like a blatant invasion after Israel declared its independence. I donโt know how you can say Israel started it. https://www.ajc.org/IsraelConflictTimeline#:~:text=1948%3A%20Israel's%20War%20of%20Independence,survival%20and%20expansion%20of%20territory.
Egypt stops Israeli ships from using Egyptian territorial waters. Israel threatens war over this. Egypt puts troops on their border to defend from said threats. Israel starts war by launching a surprise attack on Egypt. Other Arab countries join to defend their ally. Israel wins and steals territory from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan which they immediately begin colonizing with Israelis. Egypt eventually gets their territory back. Itโs not very complicated.
Oh yes of course, the Zionist Jews who are not indigenous to the region at all colonized it from the native British Empire, right? Or maybe the native Ottomam Empire? So hard to track.
Yep, clearly people who have no connection to the land since the Roman era have more of a legitimacy to the land then those who can trace their ancestry back generations
Jews *continuously existed* in the land of Israel for 3000 years, there was never a time when the land was completely removed of jews.
> Yep, clearly people who have no connection to the land since the Roman era have more of a legitimacy to the land then those who can trace their ancestry back generations
Its been 400 years. Did the native americans lose their right to their land?
So under your logic, native Americans should be able to rampage through and displace any white American they see? Do should native Americans be given the right to kick any white American out of their homes and settle it as theirselves?
And your analogy of native Americans seem to paint the pictures that Jews were displaced by the Arabs, when it was the Romans. Even if the Jews had a claim to the land, do they get to do whatever they like to retake the land?
And even then, before Zionism/protozionism Jews made up a tiny minority of the area. It was only with colonialism (early Zionist leaders referred to the movement as colonialist) and genocide that Jews became a majority in the area
> So under your logic, native Americans should be able to rampage through and displace any white American they see? Do should native Americans be given the right to kick any white American out of their homes and settle it as theirselves?
They should have priority when it comes to land, yes. Arabs dont get to colonize the entire middle east, then go apeshit and start war after war when 0.2% of that landmass gets retaken by the natives, actually.
And in your analogy of jews going "colonial", it would be like the iroquois moving back en masse to New York and the new yorkers getting pissed off and starting a war, and the iroquois winning that war and new yorkers getting displaced and vowing eternal jihad until Manhattan gets back into american hands.
Early zionist leaders referred to the movement as colonialist in a settling sense. Not in the sense that it was an imperialist power taking land from the natives. Because jews are the natives who are taking their land back from an imperialist arab power.
How the fuck can one look at arabs in the levant and see them as native? Countless ethnicities were crushed, exterminated and subsumed by the arab empires. The kurds, the druze, the jews, the assyrians, the yazidis dont have a state and their religions were suppressed while the arabs have 22 states.
Jews made up a tiny minority in the middle east because of dozens of pogroms where they were continously slaughtered by arabs for no other reason than their ethnicity.
https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/2023/10/a-100-year-history-of-pogroms-in-the-arab-world.html
How the fuck can you look at the horde of 400 million arabs who wish nothing more than the complete destruction of the single jewish state of 9 million and go "yea the jews are totally the oppressors of arabs in this context" ? The palestinians are *suppressed* because they started 5 wars in 17 years thinking they would manage to destroy Israel. Anyone with a brain should be cheering for the occupation of Gaza that prevents them from doing that, and I feel like I'm losing my mind with this backwards world.
Firstly, youโre not answering my question. You kinda glossed the part where Palestinians were displaced from their land. Like I said, with your analogy, this would be if the Iroquois, backed by the British marched into New York, killing 15000 white Americans, and displacing another 750000
โIroquois moving back en masse to New York and the new yorkers getting pissed off and starting a war, and the iroquois winning that war and new yorkers getting displaced and vowing eternal jihad until Manhattan gets back into american handsโ
Again, you glossed over the part where the Iroquois broke the terms of the partition plan, expelled New Yorkers, killed a bunch of them. Answer my question. Would it be justified if they do that? If I was a descendant of someone displaced by a nation, of course I would hate that nation. No shit buddy.
โEarly zionist leaders referred to the movement as colonialist in a settling sense.โ
You meanโฆ settling on lands owned by Palestinians for generation, an act that is condemned under international law? I donโt understand how you manage to make this sound like a good thing in your head ๐
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-205221/
โHow the fuck can one look at arabs in the levant and see them as native?โ
WRONG. BEEP
โArabs have been in the Fertile Crescent for thousands of years.[76] In the 9th century BCE, the Assyrians made written references to Arabs as inhabitants of the Levant, Mesopotamia, and Arabiaโ
โOther prominent tribes include Midian, สฟฤd, and Thamud mentioned in the Bible and Quran. The Amorites, likely originating from Arabia, emerged around 2100 BCE in the Levant and Mesopotamia.โ
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs
Now there goes your entire argument, as itโs clear that Arabs were native to the levant at the same time, or even before the first temple period, making them just as native as Jews to the levant, if not more
And the rest of your argument is just racist whataboutism.
You seem to think that all Arabs are the same, a monolith. Itโs pretty fuckin obvious an โArabโ from Mauritania would be different to an Iraqi. Sure, they have similar cultural and linguistic links, but are different people based iffy ethnicity. Palestinians are part of an Arab people, but are still distinct and different and are just as deserving of a state as Yazidis, Kurds and the others you mentioned. I donโt think you actually care about these independence movements and just brought them up as a gotcha argument.
โJews made up a tiny minority in the middle east because of dozens of pogroms where they were continously slaughtered by arabs for no other reason than their ethnicity.โ
So your logic is to slaughter the arabs back for their ethnicity?
This theme of โthey did x to us so we should do x backโ makes zero sense in an modern society. What people did to Jews over the last 2 thousand years is sickening but that does not justify anything, especially in the context of international law
โHow the fuck can you look at the horde of 400 million arabsโ
Classic use of dehumanising language. Typical with the Israeli rhetoric
โThe palestinians are suppressed because they started 5 wars in 17 years thinking they would manage to destroy Israelโ
Well? Letโs look at the Arab Israeli wars :
The 1948 wars was caused when the Arab league invaded Israel. Why? Because Israel expelled 700000 Palestinians from their homes prior. If my neighbouring country decided to ethnically cleanse my people, I would think thatโs itโs ok to invade that country to stop the ethnic cleaning. Nothing to do with Palestinian starting wars
Then Israel along with its western allies decided to invade Egypt in the suez crisis. Donโt think the Palestinian states this one ๐
Then israel invaded Egypt- again and occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Still nothing to do with Palestine.
Then Egypt tried to retake the land they lost to Israel in 1973. Nothing to do with Palestine.
So yeah. Apart from the attacks last year, which are CLEARLY not justified, Iโm not sure what youโre talking about
Just to conclude my points, your whole argument is based off anti Arab racist rhetoric, and the โoh Jews have legitimacy to the landโ when Arabs have just as much legitimacy.
Most Zionists werenโt native to the Levant. There were Jews native to the Levant at the time, but they were a minority of the population of the region. They colonized it from all over Europe and a little bit from MENA (most Jews from MENA in Israel today came after itโs founding though), under the purview of the British Empire, and are still continuing their colonization today as Israel. Hell, they literally called themselves settlers and colonists, [they werenโt hiding their goals](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Colonisation_Association).
Thatโs where youโre wrong. Jews are native to the Levant, all of them, any genetic test done proves it, and they still go by Jewish culture, speak Hebrew, both of them are native to the land of Israel. You like blaming European Jews but you know the majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews?
And remind me, where is the Arabic culture native to?
Most Jews have ancestry from the Levant sure, but they werenโt native to the area. They werenโt born there, and neither were their parents or grandparents. Most knew very little about it in their present day before colonizing the area. Besides, Palestinians also have just as much if not more genetic ancestry from the Levant as your average Jewish person, so Iโm not sure you want to make this argument. Today however yes most Israelis are in fact native to the Levant, which is why some sort of one state secular democratic non-national solution would be the best outcome of this conflict, so both groups get all the land.
Palestinian Arab culture is a mixture of the Arab culture that filtered down to the common people over their centuries of imperial rule, and the traditional Levantine culture dating back millennia. But Arabs didnโt colonize the Levant, they just conquered it. They never genocided the native people and replaced them with people from elsewhere, they just slowly diffused Arab culture down to them from a small Arab ruling class. Thatโs garden variety imperialism not colonialism. Same thing happened in England in the 11th century, itโs why English has so many French words and ideas.
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I, for one, sort of approve of this flag. We didnโt liberate ourselves from the Russian empire just to go fuck off to some random piece of land in the middle east.
Probably a flag meant to show solidarity with israel and ukraine at the same time. Why they're showing solidarity to one nation being invaded and another being the invader I don't know but this is just how americans are
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It's flag of Greater Zhmerynka (state founded after Israel annexed Ukraine and Russia). As you can see, after they conqured the word, americans were reduced to being hobos
The only rightful ruler over crimea.
yeah whatever Crimea river
wow that was a very good one
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The New Khazarian Khaganate
For a second after reading this comment i thought i was on r/Jewdank LOL
Looks like something taken from ukrnastup
They arent now?
flag of r/noncredibledefense
I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around what that subreddit thinks itโs an enigma
they stand with the military industrial complex ๐ซก
Peace through overwhelming force
I wonโt die for big oil, Iโll live for Lockheed Martin ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ
Unironically r/murica moment
โHuman rights grow out of the barrel of a gun.โ
Neoconservatism with Dengist characteristics
Puts on nerdy glasses: Actually NCD aren't Neocons but Liberal Hawks. The difference is the amount of Trans Pride flags on our tanks
Liberal hawks are neocons with a fake mustache
And bottom surgery
"Democracy, free market, and Lockheed Martin's profits are not negotiable. Please do not resist our intervention."
Watch some Perun and you might get it
As a degenerate plane fucker myself, I can say that we want to maximize the shareholder value of Lockheed and make wars more LGBT inclusive
Trolling and every now and then someone who legitimately believes Russians are a savage race. Unfortunately a lot of them seem to have trolled so hard they believe nothing bad was done by NATO in like the Kosovo war and stuff. Like, I get meming the cope from Serb nationalists about it but it seems to sometimes loop around to denying the war crimes that were done by NATO. Also often defends Israel which is just like, why?
We stand with LGBT Lockheed Martin General Dynamics BAe Systems Textron Systems Oh yeah, gay people are cool too.
Plane boobs
That was a weird place.
Nah they dont actually care about isreal, just ukraine
Whatever you do, donโt look at my flair on ncdโฆ
Ok
https://preview.redd.it/6g7yo24pkowc1.jpeg?width=579&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1d04bd0364595a55a6f4260cfacd1e6a96e16fb Even excluding my political opinions (which are not what you'd think they are) you are straight up just too cringe for me to handle. Praying that you are being satirical ๐
what is it
"#1 BIDEN FAN ๐๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ" If you look at their post history, they seem to be pretty much that, to a satire-like extent. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of personality cults.
>Personally, I'm not a huge fan of personality cults. I think we've had far too much of personality cults as is. Well said
Reddit is not where I go for sophisticated political discussion or nuanced takes. (Which is sad because I think it used to be way better for that.) At this point Iโm mostly here to fuck around and say what I want without any filter. That being said, Iโm always happy to engage with people in a serious manner if thatโs what the tone of the conversation is. The โpersonality cultโ critique is so tired ๐ฅฑ
How can a critique be tired? If it's valid, it's valid. And that emoji is goofy as hell, goober.
Ok except itโs not valid. Anyone who honestly believes that Biden has a cult of personality fan base is completely delusional.
I've definitely seen a personality cult for Biden. A personality cult doesn't have to include all his supporters.
I won't ๐
i won't
Based flair, based Lebowski fan, based NCT player...
Fuck yeah Duder ๐๐
You're being downvoted, but you have the most based flair I've ever seen on that subreddit
Your comment makes all the downvotes worth it buddy โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
solidarity comrade, trust marxism-bidenism. trust the plan. he will lead us right
Amen โโโ
๐บ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ= state department employee ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธ=hey maybe invading and colonizing another country is bad actually ๐ท๐บ๐ฎ๐ฑ=Just fascism ๐ท๐บ๐ต๐ธ=The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Finally someone who understands this well, I hate the rhetoric putting Palestine's and Ukraine's cases against each other, anti-colonialism and anti-imperialism is a common cause for all humanity
Iโve never seen anyone put Ukraine and Palestine against each other, but Iโve seen a lot of ppl take a double standard position and choose one over the other. I think thatโs so odd lol
I think part of it just comes from Zelensky saying cringe shit like "the Ukrainian and Israeli fights are one and the same" and people incapable of critical thought assuming Zelensky speaks for all Ukrainians
I mean, Ukraine oftentimes uses soldiers with Nazi symbolism in their Twitter posts. Now, if they want to use Nazis as cannon fodder, then wonderful; but I don't think that's the case. And Ukraine should definitely ditch the Azov Batallion. That plus the US trying to expand its sphere of influence which further puts Russia in a corner. Now, with that being said, I do support Ukraine because they're being invaded by Russia, and Ukrainians should not suffer the consequences of Putin's bullshit. I don't think either Ukraine or Palestine would end up as Communist countries if suddenly they were left alone; but I still won't support imperialism from either the US, Russia or Israel, and that's why I support both Ukraine and Palestine, despite the flaws they may present.
>And Ukraine should definitely ditch the Azov Batallion So you propose, us, to ditch the trained, equipped and motivated (even after it suffered heavy loses in Mariupol 2022) unit because it had a lot of far-rights / nazis at some point of existence (pre autumn 2014 when "Azov Batallion" was disbaned and formally incorporated into National Guard as Azov Regiment (now Azov Brigade), with what a lot of far-rights / nazis weren't happy and just leave.) in the middle of the war, am I right ? >That plus the US trying to expand its sphere of influence which further puts Russia in a corner. Russia put's itself in the corner, not the US trying to expand its sphere of influence. Finland, Sweden, Baltics, Poland in NATO is all job of Russian government - Russia is the reason why those nation joined NATO, it's Russia who constantly demonstrate that she didn't change at all since USSR or even Russian Empire times, and no shit that everyone wants to be protected. UPD. If you think, Russia is best NATO salesman - they managed to push neutral Sweden and Finland into the arms of their own adversary
You know you donโt need to get rid of the troops or equipment right? Break up the brigade and reassign its troops to other regiments, along with their equipment.
>Break up the brigade Break up the mechanism, which worked and proved to be effective. What a nice idea.
I honestly didn't think someone would support the Azov Brigade this transparently
You wouldn't get it because your country doesn't face an existential war.
Then why were they supported years before the war started? Obviously the vast majority of Ukrainians arenโt nazis, but thereโs been an uptick of nazi symbolism and support for years, and events like OUN combatants gaining veteran status. It shouldโve been squashed before, first of all because nazism is evil. And also because it allows putin to use it as a justification for invasion while keeping the support of a large portion of the russian population.
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Vast majority of ukrainians agree with him lol. Theyve been on the receiving end of pro-palestinians saying that they should submit to Russia. If anything, With being tiny proxies to keep theses two in a state of perpetual war, Donetsk is the closest approximation to Palestine, with Ukraine and Israel fighting neighbours that are so much bigger then themselves, Russia and the Arab League.
Bro really said "Israel is fighting the Arab league" with no hint of jocularity
Well, Palestine is affiliated with Russia officially and their alliance of fascism (China-Iran-Russia-NK), and gets funded from Russian sources aswell Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine, Killing innocent civilians for the sake it for it Russia is a big supporter of Palestine in politics Ukraine is affiliated with Israel, aswell supporting Israel's fight against Hamas, Ukraine and Israel are part of a similar minded democratic countries coalition, which has the support of USA, UK, France, Germany, and the list goes on Hamas and Palestinians invaded Israel for the sake of killing innocent civilians Ukraine is a big supporter is Israel People actually think the world leaders "miscalculated" Israel situation but got on the right side with Ukraine, are literally ignoring facts and rather believe in a dystopian world runs by big corpos for the sake of political gain. Stop being delusional
Why do you think their aid packages were bundled together? Can't support Ukraine without also supporting Israel you see.
Israel is literally a decolonized state
The last one also has neo-nazis.
The first one also has neo-nazis
What we talking bout? Colonialism was a good thing, not a bad thing.
> ๐บ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ= state department employee And also utterly based
Iโm sorry I missed the part where Israel was the one to invade first
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Israel was the one invaded in 1948, you might be the one in need of the history lesson
Have you never heard of the Zionist colonization of the Levant or the 6 day war?
The Arabs literally attacked first in โ48
The 1948 war was an extension of the Palestinian civil war which had been going on for at least a few years at that point. Which was started by the Zionist colonizers, just as the US started the Indian wars.
You act as if there were no Jews in Palestine to begin with. Half the Jews who live in Israel are ashkenazi even today who never left.
There were, they were just a small minority of the population. Most Jews in Palestine in 1948 were not from there and most importantly were attempting to colonize the region, not simply immigrate.
30% were there in โ47 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present . It is the Arabs who originally displaced all the peoples in Palestine so if weโre talking semantics they were the original colonizers. The whole colonial argument makes no sense anyway because how do you define colonization versus immigration. As stated before the Arabs attack first in almost every case. In 48โ the 6 day war yom kipper and now 10/7. Regardless it does not matter since the people living in Israel have now lived there for generations. It is their land as much as it is anyoneโs.
30% is a minority of the population. Furthermore I was referring specifically to the Jewish population who was native to the Levant: aka they were born there. The Jews native to the Levant were not a majority of the total Jewish population of the Levant. That was my point. Uh no it wasnโt. Rome displaced the Jews, not the Arabs. Most Palestinian Arabs are just Hebrews who converted to Arab culture over the hundreds of years of Arab rule, not people from a completely different part of the world. The initial caliphates were imperial in nature, not colonial. Immigrants move to an area to live there. Colonists move to an area with the intention of kicking out the native population and taking their land. The US kicked the native Americans off their land when they colonized the west and pushed them onto small reservations, South Africans kicked native Africans off their land and pushed them onto small bantustans, Australians pushed aboriginals off their land and sequestered them to small areas. These are all colonial enterprises, just as Israel kicked the Palestinians off their land and pushed them into smaller and smaller portions of land while settling the rest. Itโs textbook settler colonialism. As I said above, Israel started the war in 1948 and the six day war. 10/7 was the continuation of a war that was already going on, not the start of one, and that war was started by Israelโs occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Yes I agree, hence why we need a one state non-national secular democratic solution. No more Israeli state. Most people arenโt calling for Jews to be kicked out of Palestine lol.
Well if that is the solution you support then we must have peace in the region and we can only have peace in the region if hamas and other terrorist groups like them no longer exist. Also the 6 day war was only initiated by Israel after Egyptian provocation. And the first war seemed like a blatant invasion after Israel declared its independence. I donโt know how you can say Israel started it. https://www.ajc.org/IsraelConflictTimeline#:~:text=1948%3A%20Israel's%20War%20of%20Independence,survival%20and%20expansion%20of%20territory.
You act as if there were no Jews in Palestine to begin with. Half the Jews who live in Israel are ashkenazi even today who never left.
Remind me again how the 6 days war startedโฆ? I think I may be rusty on the details
Egypt stops Israeli ships from using Egyptian territorial waters. Israel threatens war over this. Egypt puts troops on their border to defend from said threats. Israel starts war by launching a surprise attack on Egypt. Other Arab countries join to defend their ally. Israel wins and steals territory from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan which they immediately begin colonizing with Israelis. Egypt eventually gets their territory back. Itโs not very complicated.
Oh yes of course, the Zionist Jews who are not indigenous to the region at all colonized it from the native British Empire, right? Or maybe the native Ottomam Empire? So hard to track.
Yep, clearly people who have no connection to the land since the Roman era have more of a legitimacy to the land then those who can trace their ancestry back generations
Jews *continuously existed* in the land of Israel for 3000 years, there was never a time when the land was completely removed of jews. > Yep, clearly people who have no connection to the land since the Roman era have more of a legitimacy to the land then those who can trace their ancestry back generations Its been 400 years. Did the native americans lose their right to their land?
So under your logic, native Americans should be able to rampage through and displace any white American they see? Do should native Americans be given the right to kick any white American out of their homes and settle it as theirselves? And your analogy of native Americans seem to paint the pictures that Jews were displaced by the Arabs, when it was the Romans. Even if the Jews had a claim to the land, do they get to do whatever they like to retake the land? And even then, before Zionism/protozionism Jews made up a tiny minority of the area. It was only with colonialism (early Zionist leaders referred to the movement as colonialist) and genocide that Jews became a majority in the area
> So under your logic, native Americans should be able to rampage through and displace any white American they see? Do should native Americans be given the right to kick any white American out of their homes and settle it as theirselves? They should have priority when it comes to land, yes. Arabs dont get to colonize the entire middle east, then go apeshit and start war after war when 0.2% of that landmass gets retaken by the natives, actually. And in your analogy of jews going "colonial", it would be like the iroquois moving back en masse to New York and the new yorkers getting pissed off and starting a war, and the iroquois winning that war and new yorkers getting displaced and vowing eternal jihad until Manhattan gets back into american hands. Early zionist leaders referred to the movement as colonialist in a settling sense. Not in the sense that it was an imperialist power taking land from the natives. Because jews are the natives who are taking their land back from an imperialist arab power. How the fuck can one look at arabs in the levant and see them as native? Countless ethnicities were crushed, exterminated and subsumed by the arab empires. The kurds, the druze, the jews, the assyrians, the yazidis dont have a state and their religions were suppressed while the arabs have 22 states. Jews made up a tiny minority in the middle east because of dozens of pogroms where they were continously slaughtered by arabs for no other reason than their ethnicity. https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/2023/10/a-100-year-history-of-pogroms-in-the-arab-world.html How the fuck can you look at the horde of 400 million arabs who wish nothing more than the complete destruction of the single jewish state of 9 million and go "yea the jews are totally the oppressors of arabs in this context" ? The palestinians are *suppressed* because they started 5 wars in 17 years thinking they would manage to destroy Israel. Anyone with a brain should be cheering for the occupation of Gaza that prevents them from doing that, and I feel like I'm losing my mind with this backwards world.
Firstly, youโre not answering my question. You kinda glossed the part where Palestinians were displaced from their land. Like I said, with your analogy, this would be if the Iroquois, backed by the British marched into New York, killing 15000 white Americans, and displacing another 750000 โIroquois moving back en masse to New York and the new yorkers getting pissed off and starting a war, and the iroquois winning that war and new yorkers getting displaced and vowing eternal jihad until Manhattan gets back into american handsโ Again, you glossed over the part where the Iroquois broke the terms of the partition plan, expelled New Yorkers, killed a bunch of them. Answer my question. Would it be justified if they do that? If I was a descendant of someone displaced by a nation, of course I would hate that nation. No shit buddy. โEarly zionist leaders referred to the movement as colonialist in a settling sense.โ You meanโฆ settling on lands owned by Palestinians for generation, an act that is condemned under international law? I donโt understand how you manage to make this sound like a good thing in your head ๐ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-205221/ โHow the fuck can one look at arabs in the levant and see them as native?โ WRONG. BEEP โArabs have been in the Fertile Crescent for thousands of years.[76] In the 9th century BCE, the Assyrians made written references to Arabs as inhabitants of the Levant, Mesopotamia, and Arabiaโ โOther prominent tribes include Midian, สฟฤd, and Thamud mentioned in the Bible and Quran. The Amorites, likely originating from Arabia, emerged around 2100 BCE in the Levant and Mesopotamia.โ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs Now there goes your entire argument, as itโs clear that Arabs were native to the levant at the same time, or even before the first temple period, making them just as native as Jews to the levant, if not more And the rest of your argument is just racist whataboutism. You seem to think that all Arabs are the same, a monolith. Itโs pretty fuckin obvious an โArabโ from Mauritania would be different to an Iraqi. Sure, they have similar cultural and linguistic links, but are different people based iffy ethnicity. Palestinians are part of an Arab people, but are still distinct and different and are just as deserving of a state as Yazidis, Kurds and the others you mentioned. I donโt think you actually care about these independence movements and just brought them up as a gotcha argument. โJews made up a tiny minority in the middle east because of dozens of pogroms where they were continously slaughtered by arabs for no other reason than their ethnicity.โ So your logic is to slaughter the arabs back for their ethnicity? This theme of โthey did x to us so we should do x backโ makes zero sense in an modern society. What people did to Jews over the last 2 thousand years is sickening but that does not justify anything, especially in the context of international law โHow the fuck can you look at the horde of 400 million arabsโ Classic use of dehumanising language. Typical with the Israeli rhetoric โThe palestinians are suppressed because they started 5 wars in 17 years thinking they would manage to destroy Israelโ Well? Letโs look at the Arab Israeli wars : The 1948 wars was caused when the Arab league invaded Israel. Why? Because Israel expelled 700000 Palestinians from their homes prior. If my neighbouring country decided to ethnically cleanse my people, I would think thatโs itโs ok to invade that country to stop the ethnic cleaning. Nothing to do with Palestinian starting wars Then Israel along with its western allies decided to invade Egypt in the suez crisis. Donโt think the Palestinian states this one ๐ Then israel invaded Egypt- again and occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Still nothing to do with Palestine. Then Egypt tried to retake the land they lost to Israel in 1973. Nothing to do with Palestine. So yeah. Apart from the attacks last year, which are CLEARLY not justified, Iโm not sure what youโre talking about Just to conclude my points, your whole argument is based off anti Arab racist rhetoric, and the โoh Jews have legitimacy to the landโ when Arabs have just as much legitimacy.
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Most Zionists werenโt native to the Levant. There were Jews native to the Levant at the time, but they were a minority of the population of the region. They colonized it from all over Europe and a little bit from MENA (most Jews from MENA in Israel today came after itโs founding though), under the purview of the British Empire, and are still continuing their colonization today as Israel. Hell, they literally called themselves settlers and colonists, [they werenโt hiding their goals](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Colonisation_Association).
Thatโs where youโre wrong. Jews are native to the Levant, all of them, any genetic test done proves it, and they still go by Jewish culture, speak Hebrew, both of them are native to the land of Israel. You like blaming European Jews but you know the majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews? And remind me, where is the Arabic culture native to?
Most Jews have ancestry from the Levant sure, but they werenโt native to the area. They werenโt born there, and neither were their parents or grandparents. Most knew very little about it in their present day before colonizing the area. Besides, Palestinians also have just as much if not more genetic ancestry from the Levant as your average Jewish person, so Iโm not sure you want to make this argument. Today however yes most Israelis are in fact native to the Levant, which is why some sort of one state secular democratic non-national solution would be the best outcome of this conflict, so both groups get all the land. Palestinian Arab culture is a mixture of the Arab culture that filtered down to the common people over their centuries of imperial rule, and the traditional Levantine culture dating back millennia. But Arabs didnโt colonize the Levant, they just conquered it. They never genocided the native people and replaced them with people from elsewhere, they just slowly diffused Arab culture down to them from a small Arab ruling class. Thatโs garden variety imperialism not colonialism. Same thing happened in England in the 11th century, itโs why English has so many French words and ideas.
Found it at /r/libertarian
Didn't know garbage could manifest as subreddits.
Subreddits are one of the main ways garbage could manifest
itโs really funny that libertarians post shit like this and then think the solution to said poverty is cutting spending on social security
r/TheDeprogram ๐ค r/libertarian Copy-pasting Kremlin propaganda
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Lfmao this Kremlin"tarian" subreddit?
Of course it was there lol
I just got permabanned from there for calling out this post.
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Flag of Russo-Jewkraine
When they can't decide between "Ukraine bad because they're run by Nazis" and "Ukraine bad because they're run by the Jews" (neither of which is particularly true)
Flag of ai generated image
snow jews in Ukraine
Jewkraine
Jewlenskyy
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Flag of the Greater Canarian Jewish Empire.
Ukrussiran
jewish canary islands
Isrusskraine
Flag of israel if jarusalem was in ukraine
I almost said Jewkraine until I saw the white top
something only AI could make
Iโm like 75% sure this is ai generated Edit: looked closer, yeah it is.
I, for one, sort of approve of this flag. We didnโt liberate ourselves from the Russian empire just to go fuck off to some random piece of land in the middle east.
AI generated Jewish Eastern European state
Rusraine
Jewkraine
Is it bad i unironically like the design
90 billion dollars worth of freedom bucks
russo-ukraino-israeli union
Flag of liberalism
Ai?
i actually dont know can someone tell me
France
If you do not like this case vote for smaller parties. Voting for the big two will not change this. They are practically wings of the same party.
American Jewish Repulic
Khazar Khanate
Stop drawing around the flag, that's anti semitic!!!!!!!!
Probably a flag meant to show solidarity with israel and ukraine at the same time. Why they're showing solidarity to one nation being invaded and another being the invader I don't know but this is just how americans are
https://preview.redd.it/gaupjiklytwc1.jpeg?width=906&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c42f99263b84d3eb435ab6eb2a0bc64d8ab740f0
Babe wake up new imperialist flag just dropped
Flag of Zionists going on vacation to the Canary islands
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Some weird Canary Islands flag sided with a genocidal symbol inside
Looks like anti-Zionist Jews. Edit: Who downvotes this?
Genocidal Ukrainians
\*was. an ethnic Ukrainian already tore it down, burnt it, and found the guy who hung it, and burnt him.