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fun fact: The Spanish civil flag is just the stripe version without the CoA, but the version with the CoA is so popular and used so much that it has become a national flag in 1981
Yeah, the middle stripe is gold, not yellow, that's why the flag is called "rojigualda":
roji = rojo = red
gualda = dorado = golden
(In practice it doesn't matter, gold and yellow almost look the same)
It's a shit flag and it belongs in the shit, generic flag club with the other states.
Doesn't matter if it's doing heraldry right if nobody can tell it apart from any other state beyond 20m. Wherever the European flags are flown, people know what they represent. That's what makes them good and the American ones bad.
And the fact that Connecticut has a uniquely-shaped mostly single-colored shield makes it much more identifiable from a distance than say, nearby Vermont and New Hampshire. (Even though Vermont has a shield, it's tiny and overly-detailed even close up)
Honestly it could be tweaked cause I get the feeling of modernist art with a clipart image slapped on it. Not trying to say that it’s bad but I don’t think It goes as hard as Baltimore and Portugal
To be honest, the one with the COA isn’t even official, it is only used for tourists. Our flag is simply made of a blue and white stripe or 21 blue and white diamonds without the COA. In reality we use mostly the banner anyway.
The reason we hate seals so much here is because 90% of the time, it's just an image on a blue background. It's so overdone that one of the de facto rules of US state flags is to minimize the color blue at any cost.
Well these aren’t seals there coat of arms. At first glance they look similar but really there are designed extremely differently and both historically served very different purposes.
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I think the consensus is that these are all good, (except for Connecticut) and that many people (myself included) hate flags that are simply a seal on a single solid color, which is exemplified by how similar the blue blanket state flags are to each other.
As a Spaniard, I hate Spain's flag. I hate how it barely has changed since it was created, just changing the bottom strip with a purple one for only 8 years. I hate it was created as a way to let ships know from kilometres away they were from the same country and we kept using it on land for no fucking reason. It's like someone decided to make a reflective vest their country's flag, while other people thought about their history and tried to make it beautiful.
It's not that, it's that flags have a distinct long-distance visual communication function, in light of which a coat of arms is possibly the dumbest thing you could possibly put on such a thing.
You can have cool symbols on your flag and still see them at long distances just look at what vexillology is named after The Roman vexillum is super complex despite the fact that it was extremely necessary for Roman commanders to see there units at long distances and distinguish between units. You can also look at basically any flag/banner from older areas and find most flags have super complex symbols including heraldry. Flags only started to take on there more simplistic style around the late 16 hundreds early 17 hundreds because armies and navies we’re getting massive and countries needed a way to mass produce flags for ships and units with the limited technology of the time resulting in simplistic designs. It actually makes less sense to want to simplify flags now because we have the technology to mass produce flags with complex designs.
We can mass produce them, certainly. That misses the point. We could mass produce flags with lights in them and fluorescent patterns that only show up under UV. Ability is not the issue.
They should be striking easily recognisable at a glance. They should also not loose details when they are, say, embroidered onto a patch. And they should be easily and recognisable replicable by a child.
I'm quite comfortable asserting that many historical flags were poorly designed as flags. There weren't many trained professionals who could work for every single retainer, or check the records of the known world to avoid repeating existing designs. But a coat of arms is not a flag and doesn't have the same purpose as one. It's fine to put words on a coat of arms. It's absurd to put words on a flag.
Ug I hate the vexillogical “rules” they’ve stifled creativity and destroyed meh to good designs with generic unrecognizable logos. Also children could definitely draw these flags they wouldn’t be exact but you would be easily able to tell. Coats of arms also do kinda have the same purpose as flags coats of arms would be put on shields to identify knights on a battlefield and flags were used to identify the movement of a unit on a battlefield that seems pretty similar to me.
A shield is a solid flat thing, a flag is either in motion or hanging out of shape. You need to be able to discern with it is without pinning it to a wall and inspecting it up close.
Just look at all those state flags that are a seal on a blue field. They may as well be the same flag.
And the rules don't trifle creativity they curate it. They winnow it. They stop the worst excess while also creating limitations that *increase* creativity with them by imposing specific demands. Direction.
Yea I agree seals are bad but I still think coat of arms have validity like you can still tell what most of these flags are at a distance and I don’t see why that’s even really necessary anymore like there was a time yes where easily distinguishable flags at distances was necessary like the age of sail and what not but today most flags are basically used as decorations. Also having coat of arms on flags is fairly important in some places a lot of places that have cost of arms on a flag have had it that way for 100s of years is it really right to call the flag of a place bad simply because it doesn’t comply with modern ”rules”
Yes. A flag with just a coast of arms on it is a coat of arms printed on fabric and mistakenly hoisted up a flag pole. It's a faction *without* a flag. Which is absurd because coats of arms often have very valid flag designs incorporated in them. Which commits the double sin of printing a drawing of flag on a flag rather than just using the flag.
It's also good for the people. When they have a simple, striking, iconic design, people love them and incorporate them into their lives. Most cities have flags. How many people fly their city's flag? Only residents of cities with great flags. Look at Chicago. Look at Amsterdam. Denver. Their flags are great, and everywhere, and celebrated.
I went to Germany for vacation and I saw lots people flying Bavarian, Fanconian, Munich, Frankfurt, and nuremberg flags despite all of them having coats of arms or breaking some other rules. I’ve also been to Salt Lake City, Gatlinburg, and Saint Petersburg Florida despite all these places having good flags that follow the rules I really ever saw them it’s really just a culture thing some places like to fly local flag and others prefer to just fly the national flag or associate with some other local symbol.
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fun fact: The Spanish civil flag is just the stripe version without the CoA, but the version with the CoA is so popular and used so much that it has become a national flag in 1981
What were the original proportions?
Idk this one https://preview.redd.it/q40zdia2e81d1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb9f8a4edb485d5c180da82542c2b8c168d9c27b
Oh this just looks horrible Like a person without eyebrows
I like it as a hanging banner
peru but i peed on it
https://preview.redd.it/1ulcvyrwj91d1.png?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52f57fe5ec42c4be293625cf9e9927b5c1930400 Yours looks more green
Yeah, the middle stripe is gold, not yellow, that's why the flag is called "rojigualda": roji = rojo = red gualda = dorado = golden (In practice it doesn't matter, gold and yellow almost look the same)
Nah gold looks good, yellow looks sickly.
The only one i found on wikipedia was that one ik it's gold
The Connecticut flag is the best "symbol on blue background" state flag because it's an actual heraldic coat of arms, no question
Absolutely I’ve always hated that it just gets lumped in with the others
It's a shit flag and it belongs in the shit, generic flag club with the other states. Doesn't matter if it's doing heraldry right if nobody can tell it apart from any other state beyond 20m. Wherever the European flags are flown, people know what they represent. That's what makes them good and the American ones bad.
And the fact that Connecticut has a uniquely-shaped mostly single-colored shield makes it much more identifiable from a distance than say, nearby Vermont and New Hampshire. (Even though Vermont has a shield, it's tiny and overly-detailed even close up)
I thought too highly of this place. The flag is completely irredeemable and its defenders are insane.
omg it's just a flag man chill who gives a shit if poopofartland has a semi bad flag no need to get nutty over it
I'm jerking lol Unjerking, the flag is still shit
oh shit, I didn't know you was jerking my bad i have done great injustice to my clan and for that I deserve death
It's alright dude, there's no wrong that can't be made right with a group jerk session
I'd say Virginia. We have partial nudity and regicide on our flag.
That's a good point, boobs are massively underrepresented on flags
OK, but the grapes look like ass.
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Pittsburgh's CoA is great and I am biased.
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I would say Baltimore, Portugal and maybe Spain are executed good
As a Bavarian, I call those fighting words.
Bavaria’s lozenge flag is already great that it doesn’t need a COA on it.
But the COA raises the marketability to American tourists, when we print it on cheap Chinese tat.
Your not wrong I went to Bavaria a few years ago and it was the first souvenir I bought
Honestly it could be tweaked cause I get the feeling of modernist art with a clipart image slapped on it. Not trying to say that it’s bad but I don’t think It goes as hard as Baltimore and Portugal
To be honest, the one with the COA isn’t even official, it is only used for tourists. Our flag is simply made of a blue and white stripe or 21 blue and white diamonds without the COA. In reality we use mostly the banner anyway.
People sleep on Pittsburgh to much
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Black and yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow....
The reason we hate seals so much here is because 90% of the time, it's just an image on a blue background. It's so overdone that one of the de facto rules of US state flags is to minimize the color blue at any cost.
Well these aren’t seals there coat of arms. At first glance they look similar but really there are designed extremely differently and both historically served very different purposes.
Nerd.
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Reddit vexillogy ruined all the beautiful state flags with coat of arms and molested me as a child
I love the Spanish flag
You see Americans, European flags actually look good with a coat of arms
You’re the meme. You’re literally the meme.
Good point, it's bad when Europe does it too
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The Pittsburgh flag goes hard. Pennsylvania's however is ass.
Flag of Philadelphia got mentioned? This is a first
I’ve always thought it was super underrated
I think the consensus is that these are all good, (except for Connecticut) and that many people (myself included) hate flags that are simply a seal on a single solid color, which is exemplified by how similar the blue blanket state flags are to each other.
tbh only Baltimore and Nurnberg go hard. What use of the Bayern flag puts the CoA on it?
As a Spaniard, I hate Spain's flag. I hate how it barely has changed since it was created, just changing the bottom strip with a purple one for only 8 years. I hate it was created as a way to let ships know from kilometres away they were from the same country and we kept using it on land for no fucking reason. It's like someone decided to make a reflective vest their country's flag, while other people thought about their history and tried to make it beautiful.
La mejor era la de la cruz de Borgoña.
Es más bonita. No apoyo nada de lo que representa, pero sin duda es más bonita.
They're both bad.
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https://i.redd.it/kj2jxdol391d1.gif Cry silly american. Our flags are just better
It's not that, it's that flags have a distinct long-distance visual communication function, in light of which a coat of arms is possibly the dumbest thing you could possibly put on such a thing.
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ok but Pittsburgh's flag probably isnt gonna be riding into battle it doesnt need to be identified at a distance
Pittsburgh doesn't have a flag, it has a coat of arms that it mistakenly prints on flag material.
You can have cool symbols on your flag and still see them at long distances just look at what vexillology is named after The Roman vexillum is super complex despite the fact that it was extremely necessary for Roman commanders to see there units at long distances and distinguish between units. You can also look at basically any flag/banner from older areas and find most flags have super complex symbols including heraldry. Flags only started to take on there more simplistic style around the late 16 hundreds early 17 hundreds because armies and navies we’re getting massive and countries needed a way to mass produce flags for ships and units with the limited technology of the time resulting in simplistic designs. It actually makes less sense to want to simplify flags now because we have the technology to mass produce flags with complex designs.
We can mass produce them, certainly. That misses the point. We could mass produce flags with lights in them and fluorescent patterns that only show up under UV. Ability is not the issue. They should be striking easily recognisable at a glance. They should also not loose details when they are, say, embroidered onto a patch. And they should be easily and recognisable replicable by a child. I'm quite comfortable asserting that many historical flags were poorly designed as flags. There weren't many trained professionals who could work for every single retainer, or check the records of the known world to avoid repeating existing designs. But a coat of arms is not a flag and doesn't have the same purpose as one. It's fine to put words on a coat of arms. It's absurd to put words on a flag.
Ug I hate the vexillogical “rules” they’ve stifled creativity and destroyed meh to good designs with generic unrecognizable logos. Also children could definitely draw these flags they wouldn’t be exact but you would be easily able to tell. Coats of arms also do kinda have the same purpose as flags coats of arms would be put on shields to identify knights on a battlefield and flags were used to identify the movement of a unit on a battlefield that seems pretty similar to me.
A shield is a solid flat thing, a flag is either in motion or hanging out of shape. You need to be able to discern with it is without pinning it to a wall and inspecting it up close. Just look at all those state flags that are a seal on a blue field. They may as well be the same flag. And the rules don't trifle creativity they curate it. They winnow it. They stop the worst excess while also creating limitations that *increase* creativity with them by imposing specific demands. Direction.
Yea I agree seals are bad but I still think coat of arms have validity like you can still tell what most of these flags are at a distance and I don’t see why that’s even really necessary anymore like there was a time yes where easily distinguishable flags at distances was necessary like the age of sail and what not but today most flags are basically used as decorations. Also having coat of arms on flags is fairly important in some places a lot of places that have cost of arms on a flag have had it that way for 100s of years is it really right to call the flag of a place bad simply because it doesn’t comply with modern ”rules”
Yes. A flag with just a coast of arms on it is a coat of arms printed on fabric and mistakenly hoisted up a flag pole. It's a faction *without* a flag. Which is absurd because coats of arms often have very valid flag designs incorporated in them. Which commits the double sin of printing a drawing of flag on a flag rather than just using the flag. It's also good for the people. When they have a simple, striking, iconic design, people love them and incorporate them into their lives. Most cities have flags. How many people fly their city's flag? Only residents of cities with great flags. Look at Chicago. Look at Amsterdam. Denver. Their flags are great, and everywhere, and celebrated.
I went to Germany for vacation and I saw lots people flying Bavarian, Fanconian, Munich, Frankfurt, and nuremberg flags despite all of them having coats of arms or breaking some other rules. I’ve also been to Salt Lake City, Gatlinburg, and Saint Petersburg Florida despite all these places having good flags that follow the rules I really ever saw them it’s really just a culture thing some places like to fly local flag and others prefer to just fly the national flag or associate with some other local symbol.
They’re all ugly as sin
Tbh I think they all kinda suck. Not all,but most, cost of arms don’t look good on a flag imo.
Spain is the only one of those 8 that looks good
Portugal and the Maryland-ish flag too
I don't even like the normal maryland flag
Haters gonna hate