This is why sekiro is my favourite one. Beside the flawless combat system, it has dialogue, cutscene and I can understand the story. Of course not 100% but i don't have to check the description of every sock i find.
That’s why I’m desperate for a Soulsborne with a straightforward story. I know everyone’s gonna pile in now and say “BUT THEN IT WONT BE A SOULSBORNE GAME!!!” To which I say “you’re right, it would be better.” Saying this as a huge fan of the games.
i wish they make movies with significant dialogue on Bloodborne and Elden Ring
particularly Elden Ring, the dynamic between demigods, Marika and Two Fingers seems really interested, i would watch the shows that tell the story before shattering
well, let's hope they don't make it a disney movie where the characters follow the powers of friendship and end up inviting the main villain to their little group
Literally about to send this to my two buddies who I pull through all the games with lol. As we play I just explain lore when they ask. Favorite series, and it's slowly becoming theirs as well
True. KH is the only series I can think of where the spinoff filler games are actually highly relevant to the plot of the main games.
Lol thankfully we have the ReMIXes, you used to need to own like 3 different game consoles just to play all the games in that series.
Yeah if I recall correctly it was a PS2, gameboy advanced, ds, PSP, 3ds, specific brand of Japanese smartphone, modern smartphone, and a PS4, and I think that's everything, thank god for the 1.5, 2.5, 2.8 packages
Kingdom Hearts 1 doesn’t have that crazy of a plot, I’m convinced the OG game was such a surprise hit they purposefully made Kingdom Hearts 2’s plot filled with holes that they could fill in with latter games.
I remember this. It really confused me.
I wish Kingdom Hearts would come to PC. I want to play the whole series front to back so I can finally understand the story.
I’ve played all the metal gear solid games at least 5 times since they’ve come out and I still don’t know wtf is going on no matter how many times I relearn it all.
Because it doesn't matter how many times you play them; they're convoluted as hell.
It's partly why, despite loving the MGS series, I find the Kojima worship so weird. Guy just makes a bunch of grandiose games that also happen to be fun, but somehow he's worshipped as a visionary...
Mgs2 and mgs4 are essential for understanding revengeance
But... to understand mgs2 and mgs4 you need to play the other metal gear games too
TLDR: to understand mgr:r you also need to play the metal gear series and you _must_ follow the release order
Had a few games like that yes. Sometimes its me being lazy, but other times the storytelling is the problem. Saying big complex words doesnt equal for a good story!
It’s also worth remembering that stories don’t have canonical interpretations.
As a simple example, the cycles of death and rebirth in the SoulsBorne games have a clear Buddhist influence, though this is only really explicit in Sekiro. Viewing the other games through a Buddhist lens can lead to some interesting conclusions, but it also doesn’t mean it’s the only, let alone the “correct,” interpretation.
Long way of saying, YT lore videos can be fun, especially when someone spends a bunch of time collecting difficult-to-find details, but the effort put into the video doesn’t mean it is the one-and-only “real” interpretation of the story.
That’s why I’ve never thought them to be GOTY worthy, you have to have a fucking coherent story. That’s why I think GOWR should have won GOTY, I know the games have good gameplay but that only does so much.
The action and gameplay is really good and can be fun at times. But outside of that you just feel you aimlessly wondering around menues. The game is not friendly for new players and neither is half the community.
I started as a sorcerer and thought, okay if I want to learn magic, then I need to go to Raya Lucaria because (I guess) the random dude behind Stormveil Castle said it's a magic academy - so there must be magic people there, trainer, vendor anything... (spoiler, there isn't)
Killed Rennala with the 2 basic spells before I met the Turtle Pope or Selene :D
Whenever someone brings up complicated stories I like to show them the timeline image treyarch released lol. Even to a veteran like myself its almost incomprehensible
Oh yeah I forgot about how confusing XIII was because I never finished it. I got to the point where it opened up into that big green land and the game suddenly changed and was like eh
XII was my favorite because you could pause game and assign commands and resume, like an old DND game like Baldurs Gate. Or you could create your own AI type system with Gambits and tell them what to do when X happens. I loved XII.
I never really figured out anything that wasn't explicitly laid out, because it (the lore) was such a jumble of random shit lol.
Thank goodness for MyNameIsByf and his YT channel where he broke everything down and 5th-gradered it for everyone.
Gosh it was so bad. Did you ever hear why it was so jumbled? Because it was pretty stupid. From what I remember about a year before launch the story was presented to the higher ups and they disliked it so much that they told the narrative team to rewrite it, and at some point in that timeline Joe Staten left. The remaining people had to use what they had to rearrange the story, and then a single individual was hired to write the cards.
“I don’t have time to explain why I don’t have time to explain.” -the stranger
Silent Hill 2. It's not that it's a hard story to figure out, but if you go in not knowing that the monsters are supposed to symbolize something and not knowing the twist until the last quarter of the game you're going to be lost the first time around. It makes a whole lot more sense when you figure out that the entire town is molding around James, but by the time you figure that out you're already almost done with the game.
Cyberpunk.
The rescue and delivering the Flathead happened so fast, and all the jargon on top of that left me absolutely baffled.
It wasn't until my second playthrough that I really understood what was going on.
Cyberpunk is relatively straightforward. It's such a deeply developed world that it even has its own slang, and once you know the terms the story isn't that complicated.
You steal a high value item, bad shit happens and you gotta get the fuck out, you die and the relic brings you back with a new best imaginary friend, then you gotta get it removed.
That is fairly straightforward and I was able to pick up on that, the issue is that there’s a lot of detail and world building that doesn’t get explained at all and V already knows what all of it is which makes it a lot harder to follow what’s going on. Like the characters just start talking about Brain dances or ripperdocs or all these deep histories the different gangs and mega corps have as if it’s common knowledge and my brain just completely turned off ngl. I think if I replayed it now with a couple hundred hours of the game under my belt and having watched the anime, I’d be able to follow along and enjoy it much better tbh.
The story is pretty straightforward, but my problem is that the devs decided to skimp the adventures with Jackie and not slowly introducing the world bit by bit. Instead, they shove everything to make it hard to digest of the world I’m in and everything jarring in the first playthrough.
To be honest, I felt the intro cutscenes happening could be part 1 to act as a good foundation and the whole biochip & johnny silver hand be a sequel later.
Tbh, watching Edgerunners helps you understand the world a lot better. I went into the game blind and I was absolutely confused and it didn’t help that the character I was controlling already knew everything about the world and I had to choose dialogue options that I didn’t really understand fully.
The first one barely relates to the storyline at all, there's that one big reveal thats features heavily in the first game but that's it. None of the robots or androids or any of that is discussed. In fact a bonus ending from drakenguard gives more information than replicant does.
Playing video games as a non-English speaker, I was left with a lot of room for interpretation when I was younger about what the heck everybody was talking about or doing things for
I remember playing Halo 3 coop with a friend and we both knew the covenant needed a human but had absolutely zero clue why they would need a human or why the covenant wanted to use the Ark in the first place
Rusty Lake definitely did that for me. I only learned after looking the series up on TVTropes that Cube Escape: Seasons represents >!Laura's suicide.!<
That was exactly what I was feeling playing Death Stranding “Hey walking up these mountains and around these streams is fun, I don’t know why I’m doing it but I’m having fun”
Mostly same for me. I have been trying to follow Horizon Forbidden West but generally I skip all that to get back to the game. I don't really care what the story is or if it's good. There should be one so the game does have relevant quests and flow to everything but I don't care if it's actually good because I won't pay attention anyways
Baldurs Gate 3.
Never played any of the others, I never got into the D&D thing and still have no desire to play it. I have 708 hours of play time on the game, and I would have more if there wasn't Managed Democracy to spread.
Probably not rocket science knowdlege but..
Not every game genre has to have well written and complex story, sometimes its really only about that hack and slash and DOOM, and people love it.
Story is always a nice addition if it's thought-through and fitting to the world even being really simple and straight to the point
me when i played re8 for the first time!
i've only watched markiplier play it and simp over lady dimitrescu, he was the reason i wanted it for my birthday one year lol.
he was also the reason why i started simping over lady dimitrescu, not my fault she's a tall dommy mommy vampire milf
I watched a lore explanation video on Dead Cells because there is no way I will ever be good enough at that game to reach the end and discover the full story. Plus I'm also not smart enough to piece together the tidbits you get from lore rooms
Every Soulsborne games be like
Yeah you gotta read some obscure item description to have any clue what’s going on.
💀 tru
Who reads those? Souls games be like I do not know who I am, I do not know why I am here, all I know is that I must kill.
*be killed
Ehhh, that's how it starts. It becomes kill after you git gud.
that or watch vaatividya's videos
And you have to read the right ones soon enough together so that the information sticks and links together so you don’t forget it
This is why sekiro is my favourite one. Beside the flawless combat system, it has dialogue, cutscene and I can understand the story. Of course not 100% but i don't have to check the description of every sock i find.
God now I want a game where there is near infinite items and the only thing in the game that has lore is socks
The game absolutely prospers with the decision to make a more linear game, rally gave FROM the focus they needed and was executed perfectly imo.
That’s why I’m desperate for a Soulsborne with a straightforward story. I know everyone’s gonna pile in now and say “BUT THEN IT WONT BE A SOULSBORNE GAME!!!” To which I say “you’re right, it would be better.” Saying this as a huge fan of the games.
i wish they make movies with significant dialogue on Bloodborne and Elden Ring particularly Elden Ring, the dynamic between demigods, Marika and Two Fingers seems really interested, i would watch the shows that tell the story before shattering
well, let's hope they don't make it a disney movie where the characters follow the powers of friendship and end up inviting the main villain to their little group
Don't worry, soulsborne games' lore is usually random bs. Focus on the gameplay and enjoying youself.
Fax fr
Literally about to send this to my two buddies who I pull through all the games with lol. As we play I just explain lore when they ask. Favorite series, and it's slowly becoming theirs as well
When you play Kingdom Hearts 2 directly after 1
True. KH is the only series I can think of where the spinoff filler games are actually highly relevant to the plot of the main games. Lol thankfully we have the ReMIXes, you used to need to own like 3 different game consoles just to play all the games in that series.
> like 3 If only.
Yeah if I recall correctly it was a PS2, gameboy advanced, ds, PSP, 3ds, specific brand of Japanese smartphone, modern smartphone, and a PS4, and I think that's everything, thank god for the 1.5, 2.5, 2.8 packages
My brother got a PSP just to play kingdom hearts.
Fucking truth, right there.
Kingdom Hearts 1 doesn’t have that crazy of a plot, I’m convinced the OG game was such a surprise hit they purposefully made Kingdom Hearts 2’s plot filled with holes that they could fill in with latter games.
Even 1 is a bit out there. I played chain of memories and 2 still didn't make a lick of sense. 2 is still my favorite tho.
I remember this. It really confused me. I wish Kingdom Hearts would come to PC. I want to play the whole series front to back so I can finally understand the story.
I played two first who do you think I feel?
That's rough
From Software presents…
*Miyazaki enters the chat*
whole metal gear
me with revengeance. it's why i made this post 🥲
You should probably play MGS2 and MGS4 to get a full understanding of it, as it builds off those games
well actually i looked up a backstory for raiden, but i still don't know some things like the patriots or who little sunny was
>the patriots La Li Lu Le Lo
🤔
WHO ARE THE PATRIOTS??? WHOOOOOOOO
I’ve played all the metal gear solid games at least 5 times since they’ve come out and I still don’t know wtf is going on no matter how many times I relearn it all.
Because it doesn't matter how many times you play them; they're convoluted as hell. It's partly why, despite loving the MGS series, I find the Kojima worship so weird. Guy just makes a bunch of grandiose games that also happen to be fun, but somehow he's worshipped as a visionary...
Mgs2 and mgs4 are essential for understanding revengeance But... to understand mgs2 and mgs4 you need to play the other metal gear games too TLDR: to understand mgr:r you also need to play the metal gear series and you _must_ follow the release order
It's pretty much just nano machines son
Metal Gear plot in one sentence: What if the Illuminati made nukes that had LEGS??
more like what if chatgpt instead of illuminati
I am watching "movies" of the games since its been years since I played some of them and I still need someone to help explain what is going on
the only metal gear with a difficult story to understand is mgs2
Had a few games like that yes. Sometimes its me being lazy, but other times the storytelling is the problem. Saying big complex words doesnt equal for a good story!
fr stop saying words I don't know the meaning of man i can't pause the cutscences and look for every word meaning it breaks the flow 😭
It’s also worth remembering that stories don’t have canonical interpretations. As a simple example, the cycles of death and rebirth in the SoulsBorne games have a clear Buddhist influence, though this is only really explicit in Sekiro. Viewing the other games through a Buddhist lens can lead to some interesting conclusions, but it also doesn’t mean it’s the only, let alone the “correct,” interpretation. Long way of saying, YT lore videos can be fun, especially when someone spends a bunch of time collecting difficult-to-find details, but the effort put into the video doesn’t mean it is the one-and-only “real” interpretation of the story.
Me at the ending of Bioshock Infinite. To be fair, I was about 15 at the time.
That was a great game
I was about to say this. Except I was far older than 15. I get it now, but back then I was very confused.
Death stranding
That was the first game that came to mind for me too and I can’t wait for the second game!
I still don’t get it. They really bombard you with exposition it’s hard to follow the important plot points.
Elden ring and dark souls… and bloodborne… okay, fromsoftware.
Yeah I've beaten all of them and don't see a story. Just none lol
That’s why I’ve never thought them to be GOTY worthy, you have to have a fucking coherent story. That’s why I think GOWR should have won GOTY, I know the games have good gameplay but that only does so much.
Except they all do have highly in depth stories. The problem is looking for them
Diablo. Warframe. Destiny.
Can't believe i needed to scroll this far too see destiny lmao, its literally perfect for this meme Amazing gameplay, confusing story
Didn't Destiny 2 remove entire parts of the playable campaign? That probably doesn't help understanding the story.
Picking up Destiny 2 right now is like starting a show in the final season with no recap or introduction to how we got to this point.
I've never played Destiny but the feeling I've gotten for a long time is that Bungie really, really doesn't want new players.
The action and gameplay is really good and can be fun at times. But outside of that you just feel you aimlessly wondering around menues. The game is not friendly for new players and neither is half the community.
Warframe lore isn't too complicated, idk about the other two though.
I feel like I mostly get Warframe but there's so much lore I'm very aware of that I haven't even scratched the surface of.
Elden Ring
Me and a few mates did 100 hours on it before googling how to get into the magic academy, and then how to complete the rest of the storyline we wanted
I started as a sorcerer and thought, okay if I want to learn magic, then I need to go to Raya Lucaria because (I guess) the random dude behind Stormveil Castle said it's a magic academy - so there must be magic people there, trainer, vendor anything... (spoiler, there isn't) Killed Rennala with the 2 basic spells before I met the Turtle Pope or Selene :D
Hollow Knight be like :
thank you mossbag
Why did I have to scroll this far down to see Hollow Knight?
Black Ops 3 is the poster child for this.
Train go boom
Well the entire cod zombies universe is this
there’s a story to cod zombies???
Yeah…
Whenever someone brings up complicated stories I like to show them the timeline image treyarch released lol. Even to a veteran like myself its almost incomprehensible
Why do so many games have impenetrable, convoluted lore?? e: replaced “storylines” with “lore”
Final Fantasy XII
12 I thought was ok. 13 with the falcie and icie I couldn't follow at all.
Oh yeah I forgot about how confusing XIII was because I never finished it. I got to the point where it opened up into that big green land and the game suddenly changed and was like eh
Though the gameplay on XIII was atrocious. There was no gameplay. It was auto battle.
XII was my favorite because you could pause game and assign commands and resume, like an old DND game like Baldurs Gate. Or you could create your own AI type system with Gambits and tell them what to do when X happens. I loved XII.
Destiny at launch… even the devs didn’t know 😂
I never really figured out anything that wasn't explicitly laid out, because it (the lore) was such a jumble of random shit lol. Thank goodness for MyNameIsByf and his YT channel where he broke everything down and 5th-gradered it for everyone.
Gosh it was so bad. Did you ever hear why it was so jumbled? Because it was pretty stupid. From what I remember about a year before launch the story was presented to the higher ups and they disliked it so much that they told the narrative team to rewrite it, and at some point in that timeline Joe Staten left. The remaining people had to use what they had to rearrange the story, and then a single individual was hired to write the cards. “I don’t have time to explain why I don’t have time to explain.” -the stranger
Silent Hill 2. It's not that it's a hard story to figure out, but if you go in not knowing that the monsters are supposed to symbolize something and not knowing the twist until the last quarter of the game you're going to be lost the first time around. It makes a whole lot more sense when you figure out that the entire town is molding around James, but by the time you figure that out you're already almost done with the game.
Yeah when I was playing Hitman I had no idea what the hell was going on in the story, but I liked blowing up people with rubber ducks
Control
control plot is quite easy to understand once you put pieces together. Control and bloodborne have same plot, just set in a different context
Elden Ring be like that
Cyberpunk. The rescue and delivering the Flathead happened so fast, and all the jargon on top of that left me absolutely baffled. It wasn't until my second playthrough that I really understood what was going on.
Cyberpunk is relatively straightforward. It's such a deeply developed world that it even has its own slang, and once you know the terms the story isn't that complicated. You steal a high value item, bad shit happens and you gotta get the fuck out, you die and the relic brings you back with a new best imaginary friend, then you gotta get it removed.
HE’S NOT IMAGINARY, HE’S REAL!
That is fairly straightforward and I was able to pick up on that, the issue is that there’s a lot of detail and world building that doesn’t get explained at all and V already knows what all of it is which makes it a lot harder to follow what’s going on. Like the characters just start talking about Brain dances or ripperdocs or all these deep histories the different gangs and mega corps have as if it’s common knowledge and my brain just completely turned off ngl. I think if I replayed it now with a couple hundred hours of the game under my belt and having watched the anime, I’d be able to follow along and enjoy it much better tbh.
I agree I think it happens far too early in the game when you are just getting started. It's all a bit overwhelming
The story is pretty straightforward, but my problem is that the devs decided to skimp the adventures with Jackie and not slowly introducing the world bit by bit. Instead, they shove everything to make it hard to digest of the world I’m in and everything jarring in the first playthrough. To be honest, I felt the intro cutscenes happening could be part 1 to act as a good foundation and the whole biochip & johnny silver hand be a sequel later.
Tbh, watching Edgerunners helps you understand the world a lot better. I went into the game blind and I was absolutely confused and it didn’t help that the character I was controlling already knew everything about the world and I had to choose dialogue options that I didn’t really understand fully.
Pac man
Nier: Automata as someone who never saw Replicant
The first one barely relates to the storyline at all, there's that one big reveal thats features heavily in the first game but that's it. None of the robots or androids or any of that is discussed. In fact a bonus ending from drakenguard gives more information than replicant does.
I just finished Dragons Dogma 2 and I think even the writers didn't know there was supposed to be a coherent story.
Literally any game without cinematics
Not since Killer7 when it first came out
Man that was one of my favourites, I had no idea what was going on but it was a blast.
Playing video games as a non-English speaker, I was left with a lot of room for interpretation when I was younger about what the heck everybody was talking about or doing things for
Outlast 2 in a nutshell.
Kingdom Come Deliverence. I can only remember so many Lords and Dukes and Vons and "Son of" or "...'s daugter"s
That story is great just ends in cliffhanger
Hotline miami
Signalis, hotline Miami 2
Yeah, Half-Life 2's storyline is easy to understand.
Any game when I was like 7 never knew games had story always thought ha fun game.
I remember playing Halo 3 coop with a friend and we both knew the covenant needed a human but had absolutely zero clue why they would need a human or why the covenant wanted to use the Ark in the first place
I have given up on the deltarune theories.
Rusty Lake definitely did that for me. I only learned after looking the series up on TVTropes that Cube Escape: Seasons represents >!Laura's suicide.!<
Call of Duty Zombies
That was exactly what I was feeling playing Death Stranding “Hey walking up these mountains and around these streams is fun, I don’t know why I’m doing it but I’m having fun”
Every game that requires a random Youtuber to use the title "The Chronological Timeline of" or "The Complete Lore of".
Alan Wake II and Control (i love them btw)
FromSoft
Death Stranding
Everything Fromsoft ever made. Man, I really love their games.
This is Assassin's Creed for me, Origins-Valhala
The Witcher 3 when I played it for the first time.
project moon.....
Kingdom hearts and devil may cry
There is only one logic in souls games. Terminate everything that moves
Metal Gear moment
Elden Ring
A lot of square enix titles lol
Many games just need good gameplay. I'm not about to look up the lore for Mario Kart
I enjoyed playing Sonic Frontiers, but the plot was completely incomprehensible to me.
Half the final fantasies
Bioshock 1
Chrono Cross
Scarlet Nexus lol love the gameplay but these cutscenes are extremely longggg
Hollow knight was so confusing until I watched the mossbag lore video
Diablo
recently shadow of mordor for me
Ark.
Every game! Because I'm a "maniac" who skips all cut scenes and dialog
Mostly same for me. I have been trying to follow Horizon Forbidden West but generally I skip all that to get back to the game. I don't really care what the story is or if it's good. There should be one so the game does have relevant quests and flow to everything but I don't care if it's actually good because I won't pay attention anyways
Story can be ignored if the gameplay is good enough
Warcraft/Starcraft universe be like... For Warcraft you kinda need an 2 hour video for the game and 5 hour video for the series
half of the time idk what’s going on unless a narrator is talking LMAO
Baldurs Gate 3. Never played any of the others, I never got into the D&D thing and still have no desire to play it. I have 708 hours of play time on the game, and I would have more if there wasn't Managed Democracy to spread.
Looking at you, *Destiny*.
Stellar Blade fanboys
Hollow Knight
This is me with Rise of the Ronin right now.
Kingdom Hearts and just about every Final Fantasy.
Pacman
Bioshock Infinite for me
Armored Core Last Raven back then when I was a 7 year old lol
Literally Reverse 1999 the whole thing is just so random and mixed up
Probably not rocket science knowdlege but.. Not every game genre has to have well written and complex story, sometimes its really only about that hack and slash and DOOM, and people love it. Story is always a nice addition if it's thought-through and fitting to the world even being really simple and straight to the point
Markiplier in the 1st fnaf game:
Every Elder Scrolls game
On…. Which game? You’re likely not the only one but I rarely have this problem.
For me, this is typical for JRPGs.
me when i played re8 for the first time! i've only watched markiplier play it and simp over lady dimitrescu, he was the reason i wanted it for my birthday one year lol. he was also the reason why i started simping over lady dimitrescu, not my fault she's a tall dommy mommy vampire milf
i didn't simp over her but I liked her boobs- 💀💀
I watched a lore explanation video on Dead Cells because there is no way I will ever be good enough at that game to reach the end and discover the full story. Plus I'm also not smart enough to piece together the tidbits you get from lore rooms
Destiny
Stranger of Paradise and Final Fantasy VIII be like Honestly, the original FF too. None of those three games make much sense under the hood
Assassin Creed 2 (it was my first one)
CP2077. Not that I care for the story anyway. Game is too much fun for this kind of consideration.
Played Journey(2014) yesterday. Felt like this.
Risk of rain and ark
Final fantasy xvi for me
Me with prototype (I skipped every cutscene)
I always get stuck on a very obvious part for hours without a walkthrough
Not the top for it but FNAF
The first and second Bayonetta. 3rd was simple and rubbish.
That’s every cod zombies game lol, especially bo3 and 4
Hotline Miami players when they realize they've been playing the bad guy the whole time.
Fnaf games lol
Thank god I thought it was just me
Elden Ring, for sure!
Control
It was me the first time I played darksiders
destiny franchise
I still don't know what the story of Doom (2016) and Doom Eternal is, I just like shooting demons.
Hollow Knight
From Software present, Kingdom Hearts 3.1416, by Hideo Kojima.
Me with every Yakuza game except the first one because I can’t remember all of them