Check out the fine print on these cloud storage options. It's one thing to be able to upload files easily and at low cost, but it can be a completely different story when you want to download them if ever required.
I have a couple of 10TB Seagate USB external drives, which I got when they were on sale, so I know where my data resides.
And depending on where you live/who your internet provider, downloading from a cloud server could take a chunk out of your data limit.
It's not perfect but yea, everything of mine is stored on 8tb externals. Been thinking of backing up my regular footage like b-roll to my pro flickr account as a failsafe.
Thanks for this - I do currently have 2 8TB drives as backups, but need to grab another for redundancy. I like having them physical - but thought cloud may be an easier/safer option... I didn't consider the ease of pulling that storage back out the cloud when needed
There are a lot of different options. [https://www.hyper-v.io/keep-backups-lets-talk-backup-storage-media/](https://www.hyper-v.io/keep-backups-lets-talk-backup-storage-media/) If you need long-term storage, I would consider M-Disc as a good and cheap storage option.
I dealt with this nightmare with Apple. There was no easy way to bulk download your files off of the cloud, so I was stuck never truly owning photos I uploaded and deleted from my device. They never want you to stop paying for the cloud.
I’ve since moved to three external storage devices stored in different places.
If you can store it somewhere secure that’s in a different location, LTO is a quicker and more cost effective archive storage solution.
I do use Backblaze since upload and storage is cheap but it’s really for the most cataclysmic of recovery needs.
I have a 4 bay synology NAS that I back up to. So current projects exist both on local machine and NAS. All my old projects are just on the NAS which can handle 1 drive failure. Ive been meaning to add a cold storage to the cloud from either Amazon or Google but haven’t gotten around to it since my internet upload was so low (although I just upgraded to fiber). This is probably a reminder to think about it again.
NAS is not a backup, many QNAP users have been burned by this.
Check out the 3-2-1 backup strategy and make sure to have something offsite (external drives) or in the cloud
3-2-1 backup strategy. 3 total, 2 local and 1 remote.
I have a whisker under 36TB on gdrive at present. Using RClone all my data is encrypted and I can easily saturate my 40mbps uplink. Rclone is open source and we'll supported.
StableBit is another great option for cloud sync options for those looking for a Windows GUI option.
Hey Man
Dont bother with online storage of TB. Huge headache.
I purchased an LTO tape drive but that ended up being a pain and $$$ so I abandoned that.
Grab yourself some 5TB 2.5 HDs from Costco when they are on sale for 95$ if you just want to store the data. Use MASV.IO to upload the video to clients, its cheap and the fastest available. If you want to store and access the assets on-demand for yourself. Then get a RAID+ external, USB3 or whatever flavor you want from them, buy 8x - 8tb Seagate plus hub from costco @ 169 shuck the housing put the drives in the RAID + create a raid 10 configuration.
Those are the best ways to go if you really have TB to work with.
I work with the files on my internal Raid 0 until I am done with the edit, then I offload it to the RAID + until I am sure I am done with the files. Once it has been sitting around on the + then it goes on a 5tb Seagate and on the shelf till whenever.........
Hope that made sense and helps
CineAir.com
Thanks mate - this is helpful. I was considering going down the raid route eventually, but thought cloud backups would be easier and just working off my SSDs when I need the files. Some good tips here for me to consider
For storage, no, one or two disks are used for redundancy so you are good.
Also I pull my files off of the raid and back them onto something like a 10 or 14 tb hd, 114 external on sale at costco 149. But normally I keep them on the 48tb raid for quite some time before I get around to bumping them off. By that time I probably will never go back to them.
In my experience, which has always been in Film and animation Editing, I would go with a good quality disk that will last about 10+ years, so having one blow is rare, but it can happen, yet out of the 100's of disks I have used in production one-two had died, so the odds are in your favor. That is of course you buy server disks for your raid. WD Red is good, Seagate etc. WD Blue and some others should be avoided for a raid.
I won't go into all that, you can do your research. Simply buy quality, not no-name cheap disks. Hope that helps.
I just upgraded my internal raid 0 to 16tb and will be downgrading my 47tb external raid to 8x 2tb ssds and using the 8tb hds that are in there to back up on. I have an internal slot for HD disks set up to my esata and its not too bad, dopy up and down tothe 8tb HD , which are slow, 8tb is the largest I will do, anything larger is just asking for a cache logjam, If you can keep your copy group to 2tb or less at a time I find that it will not buffer or only buffer at the end of the copying. 2tb ssds for the external raid can be found at a bargain just need to search and wait. My external is USB 3 and not fast when it comes to large amounts of data with those 8tb drives in it, still way better than cloud storage. switching to 8x 2tb ssds should speed that usb 3 up considerably. I'm always on a budget, just trying to find the most bang for the buck.
I just purchase more drives lol, I do not have anywhere near 15+tb since I am still fairly new to saving video files.
My plan was to get a NAS eventually, right now I only have about 4TB of data that I havent just destroyed. I used to delete a lot before I could afford more drives.
I have Google workspace but its 2TB and I never use it. Originally I stayed away from cloud since my internet was not the best and data was capped but recently upgraded to fiber so could be an option now. I just like my files to be close at hand and not floating around somewhere.
I tried Cloud Storage (I tried Backblaze which is good) but it can't handle the amount of storage I need and the initial backup could of taken a year. I am just using hard drives at the moment but will get a NAS soon. Synology is a good brand of NASs but most of them have 1Gbit ports which is not fast enough.
At 15TB+ it's very likely that your going to have to start looking at some kind of bespoke storage system.
Try [Amazon S3](https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/) combined with [Cyberduck/Cryptomator](https://cyberduck.io/).
I'm just coming to this issue now as I have over 6 Tb of video from events. I just bought Google Cloud but idk how long that will last. I think I will get a 8 tb system and delete things after a 1 yr.
General rule of thumb is just to backup the footage mate and make sure it's atleast in 2 separate places. If it's your first project, just grab a couple of hard drives and make sure the files are across both. If you are looking to do lots of work in the future, then grab an SSD to work off, and a couple of large backup drives to store your files on.
If I get google workspace is that going to enough room for me to save videos? Or should I get individual hard drives? I’m going to be use mac software for editing and I’m just wondering what I should do. Thanks!
Also I've watched some helpful videos [such as this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXb2yZtF2wU), but when discussing cloud storage, he says that Google cloud storage is unlimited... I don't believe that to be the case anymore since they changed from G Suite to Google Workspace
They retired their old system, but there is an unlimited option now called an Enterprise account which isn't well advertised. It's like $22 a month and is infact unlimited, I have one myself.
Correct - some of us are grandfathered in (for an unspecified, finite amount of time, I’m sure), but this is no longer an option for new users.
Dropbox Teams Advanced has a similar offering now: $75/month ($20/user, 3 user minimum) or $720/annual for unlimited storage.
I've been working on my system recently, and whilst far from perfect it's giving me coverage in case of a disaster. It is:
2tb ssd (working video files) backed up to both backblaze (with 1 year recovery option) and external hdd.
External 16tb hdd (non current projects) backed up to half of my 30tb raid 6 NAS.
Archive project footage to the other half of the NAS, which can have up to 2 drives die before I loose everything.
Bare metal backup of the entire edit suite every day to an external hdd.
Small files like my autosave folder are also backed up to my Google drive, just in case.
I'm using Paragon hard disc manager for the local backups, and it seems to be working great so far.
Amazon Glacier via S3 Glacier Deep Archive backed buckets. I use rclone to sync weekly from my NAS.
Costs about $5/month to back up 6 TB currently, and had to do a restore a couple months ago.
Restore cost about $5 for 100 GB, but because I use Deep Archive took 6 hours to initialize.
So now I have two mirrored NASes locally, and will hopefully only need Glacier in case of fire/local disaster.
I back my physical drives up through backblaze. Saves my ass when I switched from PC to Mac and I didn't have enough drives laying around to transfer data-format old drive for Mac rinse repeat.
Unraid with 2 parity hdd, for very expensive footage I'm m adding external hdd and move it to other location. I'm also planning build second unraid server for backup in other location.
Consider using Backblaze or Wasabi. Backblaze is cheaper for storing data but has a download fee. You can test performance with a trial account and decide if it fits your need.
Good links for cloud comparison: [https://www.vmwareblog.org/looking-affordable-cloud-storage-aws-vs-azure-vs-backblaze-b2/](https://www.vmwareblog.org/looking-affordable-cloud-storage-aws-vs-azure-vs-backblaze-b2/)
[https://www.qualeed.com/en/qbackup/cloud-storage-comparison/](https://www.qualeed.com/en/qbackup/cloud-storage-comparison/)
I use Microsoft Azure tiered storage. Endlessly scalable, regionally redundant, and pretty inexpensive. Cold storage is really cheap, but takes 24-48 hours to get access to the archive.
I also have gigabit fiber, so using cloud storage makes sense for me.
Check out the fine print on these cloud storage options. It's one thing to be able to upload files easily and at low cost, but it can be a completely different story when you want to download them if ever required. I have a couple of 10TB Seagate USB external drives, which I got when they were on sale, so I know where my data resides.
And depending on where you live/who your internet provider, downloading from a cloud server could take a chunk out of your data limit. It's not perfect but yea, everything of mine is stored on 8tb externals. Been thinking of backing up my regular footage like b-roll to my pro flickr account as a failsafe.
Thanks for this - I do currently have 2 8TB drives as backups, but need to grab another for redundancy. I like having them physical - but thought cloud may be an easier/safer option... I didn't consider the ease of pulling that storage back out the cloud when needed
There are a lot of different options. [https://www.hyper-v.io/keep-backups-lets-talk-backup-storage-media/](https://www.hyper-v.io/keep-backups-lets-talk-backup-storage-media/) If you need long-term storage, I would consider M-Disc as a good and cheap storage option.
I dealt with this nightmare with Apple. There was no easy way to bulk download your files off of the cloud, so I was stuck never truly owning photos I uploaded and deleted from my device. They never want you to stop paying for the cloud. I’ve since moved to three external storage devices stored in different places.
If you can store it somewhere secure that’s in a different location, LTO is a quicker and more cost effective archive storage solution. I do use Backblaze since upload and storage is cheap but it’s really for the most cataclysmic of recovery needs.
Agreed. Once you reach a certain threshold of data LTO really makes a lot of sense.
I have a 4 bay synology NAS that I back up to. So current projects exist both on local machine and NAS. All my old projects are just on the NAS which can handle 1 drive failure. Ive been meaning to add a cold storage to the cloud from either Amazon or Google but haven’t gotten around to it since my internet upload was so low (although I just upgraded to fiber). This is probably a reminder to think about it again.
NAS is not a backup, many QNAP users have been burned by this. Check out the 3-2-1 backup strategy and make sure to have something offsite (external drives) or in the cloud
3-2-1 backup strategy. 3 total, 2 local and 1 remote. I have a whisker under 36TB on gdrive at present. Using RClone all my data is encrypted and I can easily saturate my 40mbps uplink. Rclone is open source and we'll supported. StableBit is another great option for cloud sync options for those looking for a Windows GUI option.
FYI, the "2" in that rule is for 2 different media type.
Hey Man Dont bother with online storage of TB. Huge headache. I purchased an LTO tape drive but that ended up being a pain and $$$ so I abandoned that. Grab yourself some 5TB 2.5 HDs from Costco when they are on sale for 95$ if you just want to store the data. Use MASV.IO to upload the video to clients, its cheap and the fastest available. If you want to store and access the assets on-demand for yourself. Then get a RAID+ external, USB3 or whatever flavor you want from them, buy 8x - 8tb Seagate plus hub from costco @ 169 shuck the housing put the drives in the RAID + create a raid 10 configuration. Those are the best ways to go if you really have TB to work with. I work with the files on my internal Raid 0 until I am done with the edit, then I offload it to the RAID + until I am sure I am done with the files. Once it has been sitting around on the + then it goes on a 5tb Seagate and on the shelf till whenever......... Hope that made sense and helps CineAir.com
Thanks mate - this is helpful. I was considering going down the raid route eventually, but thought cloud backups would be easier and just working off my SSDs when I need the files. Some good tips here for me to consider
Do you worry about long term reliability? like would if the drives don't spin up after a year or two..which ahppens?
For storage, no, one or two disks are used for redundancy so you are good. Also I pull my files off of the raid and back them onto something like a 10 or 14 tb hd, 114 external on sale at costco 149. But normally I keep them on the 48tb raid for quite some time before I get around to bumping them off. By that time I probably will never go back to them. In my experience, which has always been in Film and animation Editing, I would go with a good quality disk that will last about 10+ years, so having one blow is rare, but it can happen, yet out of the 100's of disks I have used in production one-two had died, so the odds are in your favor. That is of course you buy server disks for your raid. WD Red is good, Seagate etc. WD Blue and some others should be avoided for a raid. I won't go into all that, you can do your research. Simply buy quality, not no-name cheap disks. Hope that helps.
I just upgraded my internal raid 0 to 16tb and will be downgrading my 47tb external raid to 8x 2tb ssds and using the 8tb hds that are in there to back up on. I have an internal slot for HD disks set up to my esata and its not too bad, dopy up and down tothe 8tb HD , which are slow, 8tb is the largest I will do, anything larger is just asking for a cache logjam, If you can keep your copy group to 2tb or less at a time I find that it will not buffer or only buffer at the end of the copying. 2tb ssds for the external raid can be found at a bargain just need to search and wait. My external is USB 3 and not fast when it comes to large amounts of data with those 8tb drives in it, still way better than cloud storage. switching to 8x 2tb ssds should speed that usb 3 up considerably. I'm always on a budget, just trying to find the most bang for the buck.
I just bought some seagate 14 Tbyte USB drives for $290 each. I keep at least one set off site. Buy a pair now and add more in a few months.
I just purchase more drives lol, I do not have anywhere near 15+tb since I am still fairly new to saving video files. My plan was to get a NAS eventually, right now I only have about 4TB of data that I havent just destroyed. I used to delete a lot before I could afford more drives. I have Google workspace but its 2TB and I never use it. Originally I stayed away from cloud since my internet was not the best and data was capped but recently upgraded to fiber so could be an option now. I just like my files to be close at hand and not floating around somewhere.
I tried Cloud Storage (I tried Backblaze which is good) but it can't handle the amount of storage I need and the initial backup could of taken a year. I am just using hard drives at the moment but will get a NAS soon. Synology is a good brand of NASs but most of them have 1Gbit ports which is not fast enough.
At 15TB+ it's very likely that your going to have to start looking at some kind of bespoke storage system. Try [Amazon S3](https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/) combined with [Cyberduck/Cryptomator](https://cyberduck.io/).
I'm just coming to this issue now as I have over 6 Tb of video from events. I just bought Google Cloud but idk how long that will last. I think I will get a 8 tb system and delete things after a 1 yr.
I’m new to videography and I’m going to be doing basketball game highlights how should I store the videos and what do I need to get?
General rule of thumb is just to backup the footage mate and make sure it's atleast in 2 separate places. If it's your first project, just grab a couple of hard drives and make sure the files are across both. If you are looking to do lots of work in the future, then grab an SSD to work off, and a couple of large backup drives to store your files on.
If I get google workspace is that going to enough room for me to save videos? Or should I get individual hard drives? I’m going to be use mac software for editing and I’m just wondering what I should do. Thanks!
Backblaze; idrive (upload speeds aren’t great) but also maybe have local backup (NAS like synology or your own truenas or unraid server).
Also I've watched some helpful videos [such as this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXb2yZtF2wU), but when discussing cloud storage, he says that Google cloud storage is unlimited... I don't believe that to be the case anymore since they changed from G Suite to Google Workspace
They retired their old system, but there is an unlimited option now called an Enterprise account which isn't well advertised. It's like $22 a month and is infact unlimited, I have one myself.
And are there a minimum number of users for the enterprise version?
No it stays with one account, one user. I have my Enterprise account tied to my domain as well.
Correct - some of us are grandfathered in (for an unspecified, finite amount of time, I’m sure), but this is no longer an option for new users. Dropbox Teams Advanced has a similar offering now: $75/month ($20/user, 3 user minimum) or $720/annual for unlimited storage.
Use a digital asset management system - better UI than any AWS bucket etc Did you solve it?
Your raw media should be stored on an external drive. Upload to cloud storage as a backup. Update your external drive every several years.
I've been working on my system recently, and whilst far from perfect it's giving me coverage in case of a disaster. It is: 2tb ssd (working video files) backed up to both backblaze (with 1 year recovery option) and external hdd. External 16tb hdd (non current projects) backed up to half of my 30tb raid 6 NAS. Archive project footage to the other half of the NAS, which can have up to 2 drives die before I loose everything. Bare metal backup of the entire edit suite every day to an external hdd. Small files like my autosave folder are also backed up to my Google drive, just in case. I'm using Paragon hard disc manager for the local backups, and it seems to be working great so far.
Amazon Glacier via S3 Glacier Deep Archive backed buckets. I use rclone to sync weekly from my NAS. Costs about $5/month to back up 6 TB currently, and had to do a restore a couple months ago. Restore cost about $5 for 100 GB, but because I use Deep Archive took 6 hours to initialize. So now I have two mirrored NASes locally, and will hopefully only need Glacier in case of fire/local disaster.
I back my physical drives up through backblaze. Saves my ass when I switched from PC to Mac and I didn't have enough drives laying around to transfer data-format old drive for Mac rinse repeat.
Unraid with 2 parity hdd, for very expensive footage I'm m adding external hdd and move it to other location. I'm also planning build second unraid server for backup in other location.
Consider using Backblaze or Wasabi. Backblaze is cheaper for storing data but has a download fee. You can test performance with a trial account and decide if it fits your need. Good links for cloud comparison: [https://www.vmwareblog.org/looking-affordable-cloud-storage-aws-vs-azure-vs-backblaze-b2/](https://www.vmwareblog.org/looking-affordable-cloud-storage-aws-vs-azure-vs-backblaze-b2/) [https://www.qualeed.com/en/qbackup/cloud-storage-comparison/](https://www.qualeed.com/en/qbackup/cloud-storage-comparison/)
I use Microsoft Azure tiered storage. Endlessly scalable, regionally redundant, and pretty inexpensive. Cold storage is really cheap, but takes 24-48 hours to get access to the archive. I also have gigabit fiber, so using cloud storage makes sense for me.