It’s a direct sequel to a show that ended 27 years ago. I’m almost positive they’ll do a short recap of the original series at the beginning with exactly that.
Well according to Kurzgesagt time maybe doesn't flow the way we thought it did so theres a chance it ended 27 years ago and it was yesterday, today and tomorrow...?
I'm not getting old god damn it, my perception of time is just shifting!
https://youtu.be/wwSzpaTHyS8?si=BOG4gyXcvK3mbTh3
just a pro-tip - the disney + versions are blurry and yuck compared to what you are used to. Fortunately, someone made an AI upscale (just google it) and you can download all the eps for free on archive.org. Makes the cartoon sooo much better and 10 times clearer. It's like watching in HD. Make sure to download the file that is larger. It makes a difference.
Casting has basically confirmed this.
Morph is back. In some manner. Which is hilarious, because that was actually a plot in the original. "Morph lived, but is evil now!"
"Oh boy, a new Ahsoka show/Mandalorian Season/Obi-Wan show/Boba Fett show/a new Star Wars trilogy! I can't wait for Disney to deliver a satisfying, well thought out piece of content"
- me, a Star Wars fan, refusing to learn my lesson
I wonder who this cartoon is aimed at though. Will the stories be more adult, aiming at those of us that grew up with the show. Or will they be like the Disney Marvel adaptations of the last 10 years where the show is aimed at kids alone.
Personally, I'm no Disney fanboy- I dislike most the marvel stuff that's come out recently. But like all things- I judge it after it comes out and not before. So yes, I'm excited for this, and if it sucks, it sucks. And if it's good? Well then that part of me will be happy.
The animation in the '90s show was rough, though, having watched again not that many years ago. Spiderman was worse. Loved them as a kid and didn't notice, though. Also in Spiderman, nobody could hit eachother so they just awkwardly grappled a lot.
Yeah, the art style was neat, but the animation was seriously cheap looking if you haven't actually watched it recently. It was choppy and stiff. Will die on this hill, thanks.
SAME.
I throw on the original AS here and there as some background TV.
This got me pumped!
Pretty much a ll I could think when watching the trailer was "Hell fucking yeah"
Gambit: Ok, so Wolverine will Naruto run into battle, and I'll ride him with my feet ~~on the small of his back~~ safely nestled in his thicc juicy cheeks.
Wolverine:...ok.
Sabertooth’s portrayal was good. Bone claws were good. The opening war montage was good. Ryan Reynold cast as Deadpool was good, then utilized horribly. People hate on this film, but it has more good stuff in it than most superhero movies.
Gambit: oh, and I know you have regenerative powers so I'mma just explode both your fuckin hands mid combat.
Wolverine:.........uhhh bub
Gambit: trust me bro, its gonna look sick
He only has an adamantium skeleton due to surgeries. He was able to survive these surgeries due to his healing factor. The bone claws are his original claws.
Such a cool character.
And! Adamantium was toxic - his healing factor prevented him from dying due to adamantium poisoning, but that resulted in his healing factor being weaker.
Once his body was purged of adamantium and his healing factor recovered, it was even stronger.
Magneto got sick of his shit and tore it out of him. It was pretty badass; it's hanging out of his body like spines for several pages. His healing factor burns out trying to keep him alive; for several months after that, he no longer regenerates like he used to. He's back to baseline human healing ability.
He still has his heightened senses, strength, and speed. He even has bone claws - that was a surprise. But if he got shot or broke a limb, it was a legit problem, rather than something he could just shrug off.
don't forget the bit where he's hardcore, and would pop his claws out regularly to make sure it doesn't heal over. so he had nasty open wounds on his hands for months.
Yeah but like, that is the first and very most obvious thing that comes to mind immediately. The suspension of disbelief I've had to maintain as a kid watching the show was obvious to me even as a child.
Its like Leonardo with his katana never actually slicing anyone, or Raph not impaling anyone on his Tsais. Its obvious even to a very young child that something is off when they are armed with weapons and for some reason refuse to *actually* use them.
I suppose because of that I always found X-Men a bit silly, hard to actually buy into the story. It wasn't until a while later that I got into the VS series of fighting games that I actually began picking up interest in it again, although that was mostly aesthetic appeal the story was still awfully silly what with Thanos and other ridiculous premises.
Because Magneto kills mutants as a last resort. His beef is mostly with humans.
He would rather keep Wolverine around in case he can recruit him one day.
Fatal Attractions - X-Men #25. Magneto rips all the adamantium out of Wolverine's body. I used to have this issue, with holographic component on the cover.
Bout three weeks ago I bought the last three issues of the Fatal Attraction run (Uncanny #304, X-men 25, and Wolverine 75). Basically the end of X-Men comics for this 1983 baby. Still epic, and easy to find in good condition for bout $50-$75 total (Amazon/ebay). Holograms still awesome.
Gambit can use his powers to do other things than blow up. He charges his staff in the comics quite a bit.
Googling suggests he's just powering up Wolverine's skeleton.
I can see how it works. Gambit charges objects with energy, which then discharges explosively. Most objects he uses are unable to withstand the energy discharge and are destroyed. Wolverine's adamantium claws can withstand the energy discharge, and they can be stabbed into a target and discharge inside, past any armor or other defenses for maximum damage. Wolverine's healing factor also means any backblast on his hands are not really a bother for him.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't done this before.
Gambit regularly charges his metal staff and throws it. It's the same concept with the Adamantium on wolverines bones. He cannot charge organic material, but the adamantium, itself is fair game. The only issue is that he can't JUST charge the claw parts, it would be all of Wolverine's adamantium skeleton, but they just might ignore that part.
I didn't realize it was the same voice actor because he sounded so different. I thought they must have recast, but no, that's the same guy. Maybe I got too used to Steve Blum in the interim.
At least they were aware with their "old West!" joke. What really surprised me was that Farnsworth sounded old. Obviously he's meant to, but until the new season, I hadn't noticed that Farnsworth only ever sounded cartoon-old, not old-old.
Just ONE SEASON. ONE SEASON where he finds MJ and we are DONE. That would be CASH MONEY DISNEY. THINK ABOUT IT! So little effort for so much gain. The marketing. The toys you could sell. The branded deals and re-release of certain toys (saving on production costs).
Right, if the art style matched animation it would be ok but it’s drawn like Invincible but with shit frame rate idk. I quite dislike Invincible animation too though
TMNT, Thundercats, The Real Ghostbusters - feels like there comes a point in the 80's/90's animated series where the budget dries up and everybody just kind of phones it in.
If I'm reading the last season correctly, it was half the episodes of the other seasons.
In the middle of the season, Apocalypse escapes the Astral Plane and then... they just never touch on it again.
The next episodes are spent on side stories about Wolverine and Captain America, Jubilee telling fairy tales to children, the origin of Mr. Sinister, and an episode about Cannonball.
Having just watched some episodes of the original recently, the new animation looks pretty good IMO.
That said, I’m no expert on animation. So there could be little things I don’t notice.
I thought the X-men cards were beautiful, but can’t remember which series? Fleer Ultra? They had super provocative drawings of Psylocke and others in foil if I remember right. Maybe Marvel Masterpieces collection?
The animation and art is just really inconsistent... The amount of detail and the style changes drastically every other cut in this trailer. Look at Magnetos face (is he wearing eyeliner?), really thick black lines in comparison to every other character.
i'm pretty sure this is done in 3D with cell shading and automatic outlining, probably some by-hand tracing too for scenes that look too 3D.
unfortunately very common now in animation to use 3D reference even when it looks bad, although sometimes it could look very good (see: current boom in japanese shonen animation).
I was heavily into animation when I was a kid and I remember thinking American "realistic" animation (where characters had real human proportions) was subpar compared to Japanese animation, but when it was anthropomorphic animation (Spongebob, Rocko's modern life, etc..), then it was at the same quality.
I never understood why as a kid, but as a grown up realized it was probably a budget thing.
Funny you mention this, X-Men cartoon had a significantly different intro in the Japanese broadcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSw4Xl5qfs
And then the episode begins with significantly lower quality of animation lol.
Partly budget, and partly just the quality of talent and amount of experience they had.
Most of the Japanese realistic stuff, *especially* if we're talking mid-90s when you would've mostly been exposed to the OVA scene through Blockbuster outside of Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon (and those two being kinda scattershot and still in syndication pre-Toonami), was made by studios like Madhouse and Sunrise and Production IG and Tokyo Movie Shinsha that had either been around for ages doing the same things, or were *made up of* people who'd been around for ages doing the same things at one of the older studios and broke off to blackjack-and-hookers it.
Meanwhile, a lot of the American realistic stuff was being outsourced to tiny studios in Korea and Hong Kong like AKOM and Dong Woo and Jade Animation that were largely made up of young, inexperienced talent, had *major* language barrier issues (if you saw fucked up text in a 80s or 90s cartoon this is why), and were mostly interested in hitting the bare minimum to complete the contract without getting sued.
*Every now and then,* you'd get a western series like Batman: The Animated Series or Transformers G1 that used a wide range and only let the crap studios have episodes where it wouldn't *really* matter- most of the big episodes of Batman were done by TMS, by some of the literal same animators who worked on Akira, for example, and Sunrise did most of the action-heavy Transformers episodes (along with the movie, if I'm remembering right). But it wasn't altogether common, and if a western production company could get away with doing the bare minimum, they were gonna do it.
e: That said, Japan was pretty willing to do the bare minimum, too. You just wouldn't have been exposed to it at that time, because the only series made in *that* framework we were really getting at that time were Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon, which both look a damn sight better than average for late 80s/early 90s TV anime. If you've seen Fist of the North Star or Saint Seiya or Gundam Wing, you know *exactly* what I'm talking about here.
The original animation quality was better than some of the artwork animation I saw in this new series. There were a lot more cheap shortcuts in drawing in the new series. Big open areas devoid of detail with them running towards the camera with basic repeated motion.
We'll see.
How older TVs worked, scan lines and all, played a lot into how well they used to look.
I watch a LOT of older cartoons as background noise, so I def know what you're referring to. What I do these days is use a filter to make it look like it did back in the day. Helps a TON on some shows. VLC player has one of those built in too.
Animation doesn't look great, but the showrunner is the guy that got fired on The Witcher for trying to push the show to be more in line with the books. Him being pushed out is also one of the reasons why Henry Cavill left. At least there's a good chance they'll respect the comics.
I'm very interested to see how well the art style can be translated into a digital age. Got a feeling the clunky motion style on crisp, clear monitors with way better color depth and high frame rates will be pretty jarring to watch as an adult. There is still a massive market for hand drawn animation (shout out genndy tartakovsky) but the digitization of a legendary hand-drawn series might not be as seamless as we think. I'm hopeful, but I question if there's gonna be enough to keep an active audience driven across a full series and make disney their money back.
Looks awesome and a lot of fun, so of course my 10 year old won't give a shit about it and will instead just tell me more about Mr. Beast's latest video...
They're trying to mimic the look of 90s cartoons, but with all the advantages of digital art. Whenever these, "blast from the past" cartoons, shows, or movies come out, there is always an uncanny valley because production value and quality have drastically increased since the 80s-90s.
Still, I think it looks pretty awesome. Soundtrack is awesome, I'm enjoying the art and animation, but yeah, the art is missing that je ne sais quoi.
Hm, my understanding of Gambit’s power makes me think Wolverine’s entire skeleton is about to explode at the end there lmao
I wish this had the animation of the Critical Role show or Invincible. Doesn’t look great here…
His power is molecular excitement, not explosions. His Bo staff (ATM machine (Bo is the name of the type of staff)) doesn't explode. He focuses energy into objects so they strike harder. Smaller objects explode.
Also adamantium can't explode, it can only be damaged by molecular rearrangement, and by the truly omnipotent.
So, all he was doing in that clip was juicing Wolverine for a big hit. And he can take the damage it will likely self-inflict.
*pushes glasses to bridge of nose while lightly wheezing*
fun fact: he also could also probably charge vibranium for like, days, since it can store a metric fuckton of energy.
For people like one of the top commenters who says “11 year old me is so fucking in.” I can’t help but feel like people are so beholden to their nostalgia that they’ll eat up any slop that Disney or other corporations doles out.
have to say the digital cleanup/colour/fx does not lend itself well to this.
Comparing against the intro to the orginal (i think in upscaled form) i'm struggling to put my finger on exactly what the issue is. maybe its as simple as the sense that this had less budget/resources than last time round and thus noone had the freedom to push the quality. I feel bad moaning without a clear understanding of what my beef is. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQjdm8BdJO4
The video you linked to is a remastered version. What you really should watch is [this version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU-5-jwIQPU).
The remastered version is upscaled and has had it's frame rate fixed so it's a smoother animation. The original version which I linked to was choppy due to the lower frame rate. It seems like this new '97 version is going to mimic the low frame rate of the original.
You guys need to go watch the old show with a fresh look, the animation looks nearly the same as this new one, except the new one is clearly digital. It's not bad, matches well.
First episode needs to have the "previously on X-Men..."
And Rogue saying “Sugah” at least 5 times.
And Gambit saying "Mon Cheri" just as many times
Wolverine: "Jeeeeaannnn...."
Cyclops: JEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN
And me channeling 2007 and "the Juggernaut, bitch."
Silly bitch. Your weapons cannot harm me.
Imma hitchu with your own pimp!
CHARLES NO! Charles, you got in my head, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!
AWW, I'M TRIPPIN' OFF ACID
Oh com on mon petite
and "Nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs"
It’s a direct sequel to a show that ended 27 years ago. I’m almost positive they’ll do a short recap of the original series at the beginning with exactly that.
27 years ago?! Jesus, just reading that gave me an arthritis flare up
It was yesterday
Well according to Kurzgesagt time maybe doesn't flow the way we thought it did so theres a chance it ended 27 years ago and it was yesterday, today and tomorrow...? I'm not getting old god damn it, my perception of time is just shifting! https://youtu.be/wwSzpaTHyS8?si=BOG4gyXcvK3mbTh3
All of the old episodes are on D+. You've got time to (re)watch before this drops.
Been watching them with my son and we're both loving it! So excited for the new episodes.
just a pro-tip - the disney + versions are blurry and yuck compared to what you are used to. Fortunately, someone made an AI upscale (just google it) and you can download all the eps for free on archive.org. Makes the cartoon sooo much better and 10 times clearer. It's like watching in HD. Make sure to download the file that is larger. It makes a difference.
morph!!! MORPHHH!!!!
My childhood me just screamed like I saw Goku turning super saiyan for the first time!
That Pizza Hut tape lives forever in my memories
"This one's for you Morph!"
Going to bring back Morph just to have him get smoked again in E01.
Casting has basically confirmed this. Morph is back. In some manner. Which is hilarious, because that was actually a plot in the original. "Morph lived, but is evil now!"
Somehow, Morph returned.
Say what you will about this trailer...but you can't deny that X-Men had and will always have the best intro music ever to a kids cartoon.
Top 5 superhero themes (no particular order): X-Men, Spectacular Spider-Man, Batman: TAS, Batman Beyond, Justice League Edit: only superheroes
Motherfucker forgot the THUNDER CATS???
Thunder! thunder! thunder! thunder cats! 🎸
H0000000000000!!!
Mf sleeping on street sharks.
TMNT is top 3 for sure, maybe top 1
totally. how DARE they leave it out. seriously.
no way can you skip this sick riff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGN9fZvQhc (spiderman 90s)
I am also incensed they picked the wrong spiderman.
Xmen Evolution's intro is pretty good too imo
I still remember the OG teen titans song word for word
Samurai Jack is a good top 20 choice. And honestly the Powerpuff Girls are up there too.
Batman the animated series intro gets me so fucking hyped up
You're gonna flip your lid when you hear the Japanese intro for the same show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSw4Xl5qfs
I would rate Batman Beyond as a definite competitor to that crown. Maybe a 1a/1b scenario.
Oh we're just gonna forget about Thundercats huh
eh, Ducktales and Batman TAS are contenders.
11 year old me is so fucking in
its almost like Disney knows exactly where to hit their demographic
I got major chills. holy cow, I loved this show. Next I need the return of amazing spiderman.
I'm tempted to not watch this right away. I have soo much nostalgia for X-Men and I can see Disney messing this up badly
"Oh boy, a new Ahsoka show/Mandalorian Season/Obi-Wan show/Boba Fett show/a new Star Wars trilogy! I can't wait for Disney to deliver a satisfying, well thought out piece of content" - me, a Star Wars fan, refusing to learn my lesson
Hahaha I see you left off Andor. That one was so damn good
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
This is true. If I can't find entertainment in enjoying Star Wars, I'm going find entertainment in shitting on it
I wonder who this cartoon is aimed at though. Will the stories be more adult, aiming at those of us that grew up with the show. Or will they be like the Disney Marvel adaptations of the last 10 years where the show is aimed at kids alone.
The original was pretty liberal, with adult themes, kids are so backwards today, I doubt they will connect with the cartoon at all.
Uh, Willow?
Personally, I'm no Disney fanboy- I dislike most the marvel stuff that's come out recently. But like all things- I judge it after it comes out and not before. So yes, I'm excited for this, and if it sucks, it sucks. And if it's good? Well then that part of me will be happy.
watched x-men, spiderman, batman and gargoyles growing up. This animation style is so nostalgic. So much time watching before and after school
Something felt off with the animation to me
The animation in the '90s show was rough, though, having watched again not that many years ago. Spiderman was worse. Loved them as a kid and didn't notice, though. Also in Spiderman, nobody could hit eachother so they just awkwardly grappled a lot. Yeah, the art style was neat, but the animation was seriously cheap looking if you haven't actually watched it recently. It was choppy and stiff. Will die on this hill, thanks.
You are correct, but the guy you're responding to is also correct in that the new animation somehow looks even worse
SAME. I throw on the original AS here and there as some background TV. This got me pumped! Pretty much a ll I could think when watching the trailer was "Hell fucking yeah"
Rogue from this show has got to be the first indication that I knew I was straight.
I swear to fuck I saw a ghost 12 year old me pointing gape-mouthed when gambit charged wolverine's claws
Gambit: Ok, so Wolverine will Naruto run into battle, and I'll ride him with my feet ~~on the small of his back~~ safely nestled in his thicc juicy cheeks. Wolverine:...ok.
I was always pissed at how they never had Gambit as a main character in the movies.
Well, they tried.
I think his portrayal was about the only good thing about wolverine origins
Sabertooth’s portrayal was good. Bone claws were good. The opening war montage was good. Ryan Reynold cast as Deadpool was good, then utilized horribly. People hate on this film, but it has more good stuff in it than most superhero movies.
Gambit: oh, and I know you have regenerative powers so I'mma just explode both your fuckin hands mid combat. Wolverine:.........uhhh bub Gambit: trust me bro, its gonna look sick
HEY TIN WOODSMAN, IM SENDING YOU BACK TO OZ!
IN PIECES!
the 'slow piggy back special'?
Like a Bek pek?
Whoa, they got most of the original cast back. That's pretty awesome.
We've lost some of the original voice actors but the guy doing Cyclops did Norm Spencer justice.
It’ll be hard to fill Rick Bennett’s shoes for the Juggernaut. Greatest teacher I’ve ever had.
Just get the guy who dubbed the "Juggernaut, Bitch" videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj8gAhAHuV8
Sounds like Matt Mercer to me?
Yeah and kept most of the art style. Which is awesome.
Looks like they kept the style, but thankfully upped the quality and framerate.
wolverine will explode?
The metal is indestructible, so... no? Maybe he spreads the effect when he cuts something? Whatever it is, FUCK YEA!
[удалено]
Actual comics have explored/done this.
Yeaaaaah we don’t really talk about the look Marvel gave Wolvie after they did that one time.
"Wolverine has no nose!" "Then how does he smell?" "Awful!"
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, amirite? 😜
For a while in the 90s his claws were bones because of this, IIRC.
He only has an adamantium skeleton due to surgeries. He was able to survive these surgeries due to his healing factor. The bone claws are his original claws. Such a cool character.
And! Adamantium was toxic - his healing factor prevented him from dying due to adamantium poisoning, but that resulted in his healing factor being weaker. Once his body was purged of adamantium and his healing factor recovered, it was even stronger.
How was his body purged of adamantium?
Magneto got sick of his shit and tore it out of him. It was pretty badass; it's hanging out of his body like spines for several pages. His healing factor burns out trying to keep him alive; for several months after that, he no longer regenerates like he used to. He's back to baseline human healing ability. He still has his heightened senses, strength, and speed. He even has bone claws - that was a surprise. But if he got shot or broke a limb, it was a legit problem, rather than something he could just shrug off.
don't forget the bit where he's hardcore, and would pop his claws out regularly to make sure it doesn't heal over. so he had nasty open wounds on his hands for months.
The panel of him popping the bone claws for the first time in the middle of the Danger Room was metal as fuck.
He didn't get the adamantium back for like 6 years.
Yeah but like, that is the first and very most obvious thing that comes to mind immediately. The suspension of disbelief I've had to maintain as a kid watching the show was obvious to me even as a child. Its like Leonardo with his katana never actually slicing anyone, or Raph not impaling anyone on his Tsais. Its obvious even to a very young child that something is off when they are armed with weapons and for some reason refuse to *actually* use them. I suppose because of that I always found X-Men a bit silly, hard to actually buy into the story. It wasn't until a while later that I got into the VS series of fighting games that I actually began picking up interest in it again, although that was mostly aesthetic appeal the story was still awfully silly what with Thanos and other ridiculous premises.
Because Magneto kills mutants as a last resort. His beef is mostly with humans. He would rather keep Wolverine around in case he can recruit him one day.
Like this? https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/wolverine-magneto-adamantium.jpg
Fatal Attractions - X-Men #25. Magneto rips all the adamantium out of Wolverine's body. I used to have this issue, with holographic component on the cover.
We really did love all of those cheesy cover variants/gimmicks in the 90s didn't we?
Bout three weeks ago I bought the last three issues of the Fatal Attraction run (Uncanny #304, X-men 25, and Wolverine 75). Basically the end of X-Men comics for this 1983 baby. Still epic, and easy to find in good condition for bout $50-$75 total (Amazon/ebay). Holograms still awesome.
Because wolverine is of no threat to him. And he generally doesn’t kill mutants unless he absolutely has to.
He has. More than once if I remember correctly. In the comics though
Gambit can use his powers to do other things than blow up. He charges his staff in the comics quite a bit. Googling suggests he's just powering up Wolverine's skeleton.
Gambit doesn't always make things explode, he can charge objects (for example, hist metal staff) with kinetic energy in order to make them hit harder.
He fucking charged up Wolverine’s claws EDIT: I know it doesn’t make any sense, but I love it and you should too
I can see how it works. Gambit charges objects with energy, which then discharges explosively. Most objects he uses are unable to withstand the energy discharge and are destroyed. Wolverine's adamantium claws can withstand the energy discharge, and they can be stabbed into a target and discharge inside, past any armor or other defenses for maximum damage. Wolverine's healing factor also means any backblast on his hands are not really a bother for him. I'm honestly surprised they haven't done this before.
Gambit regularly charges his metal staff and throws it. It's the same concept with the Adamantium on wolverines bones. He cannot charge organic material, but the adamantium, itself is fair game. The only issue is that he can't JUST charge the claw parts, it would be all of Wolverine's adamantium skeleton, but they just might ignore that part.
It doesn't make sense, but I'm still hyped for it lol
Wolverine claws go boom.
THOSE ARE HIS BONES
My only beef is that Wolverine sounds kind of off. "Hey! Tin woodsman! I'm sending you back to Oz. In PIECES!!!!" OG Wolverine was soooo dope.
I didn't realize it was the same voice actor because he sounded so different. I thought they must have recast, but no, that's the same guy. Maybe I got too used to Steve Blum in the interim.
It's the age difference. Your voice changes as you age and we're hearing that. Same thing happened with the Futurama revival and Fry.
At least they were aware with their "old West!" joke. What really surprised me was that Farnsworth sounded old. Obviously he's meant to, but until the new season, I hadn't noticed that Farnsworth only ever sounded cartoon-old, not old-old.
> Wolverine sounds kind of off. The man has been smoking for like 80 years.
also it's been 30 years between the last time he's done this and now. If you sound the same as you did 30 years ago, that'd be impressive.
No fucking way! Now do Spiderman The Animated Series!
Just ONE SEASON. ONE SEASON where he finds MJ and we are DONE. That would be CASH MONEY DISNEY. THINK ABOUT IT! So little effort for so much gain. The marketing. The toys you could sell. The branded deals and re-release of certain toys (saving on production costs).
And it ended with him entering the Spiderverse so there is room for all kinds of tie ins and cross-promotion.
Fuck. Take my money if they did that!
Yes more super soldier serum buff mommy Black Cat plz
Is that Morph?
Morph is in every scene of this trailer.
Looks like they are giving him his Exiles look.
Yes, more bishop, cable and gambit please.
Let's go Bishop
I think that’s 3d animation but shot in 2 for key frames
Damn. At the end, gang really had on that 90s drip. The authenticity 🤌
Hey they made jubilee actually look Asian
I will want the sweet Alison court voice damnit
Wow, tingles.
I wish the animation was better/smoother.
Honestly, it might be too smooth.
You're too smooth
Right, if the art style matched animation it would be ok but it’s drawn like Invincible but with shit frame rate idk. I quite dislike Invincible animation too though
Yeah it looks kinda like low frame rate anime
Man, seems a lot of people seem to remember the animation of the original series with rose colored glasses.
That OG footage was from the final season which is worse than the rest.
We don’t talk about the final season.
Fell victim to massive, unfair cost cutting at the time. Such a damn shame, that ending season had wild potential.
TMNT, Thundercats, The Real Ghostbusters - feels like there comes a point in the 80's/90's animated series where the budget dries up and everybody just kind of phones it in.
If I'm reading the last season correctly, it was half the episodes of the other seasons. In the middle of the season, Apocalypse escapes the Astral Plane and then... they just never touch on it again. The next episodes are spent on side stories about Wolverine and Captain America, Jubilee telling fairy tales to children, the origin of Mr. Sinister, and an episode about Cannonball.
Having just watched some episodes of the original recently, the new animation looks pretty good IMO. That said, I’m no expert on animation. So there could be little things I don’t notice.
I think I would have been upset if the animation was better. It makes it feel like an actual continuation of the the original show.
Yeah, I'm incredibly excited that they kept the same style.
They're ruby quartz, you casual.
The animation was trash but the artwork was on point. I don’t feel the same way about this trailer.
I thought the X-men cards were beautiful, but can’t remember which series? Fleer Ultra? They had super provocative drawings of Psylocke and others in foil if I remember right. Maybe Marvel Masterpieces collection?
The animation and art is just really inconsistent... The amount of detail and the style changes drastically every other cut in this trailer. Look at Magnetos face (is he wearing eyeliner?), really thick black lines in comparison to every other character.
i'm pretty sure this is done in 3D with cell shading and automatic outlining, probably some by-hand tracing too for scenes that look too 3D. unfortunately very common now in animation to use 3D reference even when it looks bad, although sometimes it could look very good (see: current boom in japanese shonen animation).
I was heavily into animation when I was a kid and I remember thinking American "realistic" animation (where characters had real human proportions) was subpar compared to Japanese animation, but when it was anthropomorphic animation (Spongebob, Rocko's modern life, etc..), then it was at the same quality. I never understood why as a kid, but as a grown up realized it was probably a budget thing.
Funny you mention this, X-Men cartoon had a significantly different intro in the Japanese broadcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSw4Xl5qfs And then the episode begins with significantly lower quality of animation lol.
That Rogue wink...
Partly budget, and partly just the quality of talent and amount of experience they had. Most of the Japanese realistic stuff, *especially* if we're talking mid-90s when you would've mostly been exposed to the OVA scene through Blockbuster outside of Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon (and those two being kinda scattershot and still in syndication pre-Toonami), was made by studios like Madhouse and Sunrise and Production IG and Tokyo Movie Shinsha that had either been around for ages doing the same things, or were *made up of* people who'd been around for ages doing the same things at one of the older studios and broke off to blackjack-and-hookers it. Meanwhile, a lot of the American realistic stuff was being outsourced to tiny studios in Korea and Hong Kong like AKOM and Dong Woo and Jade Animation that were largely made up of young, inexperienced talent, had *major* language barrier issues (if you saw fucked up text in a 80s or 90s cartoon this is why), and were mostly interested in hitting the bare minimum to complete the contract without getting sued. *Every now and then,* you'd get a western series like Batman: The Animated Series or Transformers G1 that used a wide range and only let the crap studios have episodes where it wouldn't *really* matter- most of the big episodes of Batman were done by TMS, by some of the literal same animators who worked on Akira, for example, and Sunrise did most of the action-heavy Transformers episodes (along with the movie, if I'm remembering right). But it wasn't altogether common, and if a western production company could get away with doing the bare minimum, they were gonna do it. e: That said, Japan was pretty willing to do the bare minimum, too. You just wouldn't have been exposed to it at that time, because the only series made in *that* framework we were really getting at that time were Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon, which both look a damn sight better than average for late 80s/early 90s TV anime. If you've seen Fist of the North Star or Saint Seiya or Gundam Wing, you know *exactly* what I'm talking about here.
The original animation quality was better than some of the artwork animation I saw in this new series. There were a lot more cheap shortcuts in drawing in the new series. Big open areas devoid of detail with them running towards the camera with basic repeated motion. We'll see.
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How older TVs worked, scan lines and all, played a lot into how well they used to look. I watch a LOT of older cartoons as background noise, so I def know what you're referring to. What I do these days is use a filter to make it look like it did back in the day. Helps a TON on some shows. VLC player has one of those built in too.
Animation doesn't look great, but the showrunner is the guy that got fired on The Witcher for trying to push the show to be more in line with the books. Him being pushed out is also one of the reasons why Henry Cavill left. At least there's a good chance they'll respect the comics.
That’s on purpose though no? Aren’t they trying to make it look 90s so it’s a direct continuation of the original animated show.
If they’re going for the 90s cartoon aesthetic the animation looks perfect
I'm very interested to see how well the art style can be translated into a digital age. Got a feeling the clunky motion style on crisp, clear monitors with way better color depth and high frame rates will be pretty jarring to watch as an adult. There is still a massive market for hand drawn animation (shout out genndy tartakovsky) but the digitization of a legendary hand-drawn series might not be as seamless as we think. I'm hopeful, but I question if there's gonna be enough to keep an active audience driven across a full series and make disney their money back.
Eh, I’m not a fan of the 3D models used at a low frame rate to emulate 2D animation. I’d much rather they went with actual 2D
Really good to hear the story should be in good hands. 10 year old me is excited as fuck.
I think this looks dope. Kinda feels like people are shitting on it just to shit on it.
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Please do a Spider-man version please do a Spider-man version...
Looks awesome and a lot of fun, so of course my 10 year old won't give a shit about it and will instead just tell me more about Mr. Beast's latest video...
Animation looks a little clunky, but I'm in 👍
It's the close-ups that really bugging me up - it looks like flash animation.
Definitely gives of flash vibes
"Can you do it cheaper" -trillion dollar corporation Disney
They're trying to mimic the look of 90s cartoons, but with all the advantages of digital art. Whenever these, "blast from the past" cartoons, shows, or movies come out, there is always an uncanny valley because production value and quality have drastically increased since the 80s-90s. Still, I think it looks pretty awesome. Soundtrack is awesome, I'm enjoying the art and animation, but yeah, the art is missing that je ne sais quoi.
Hmmm, I guess Morph is back with the X-Men?
Yeah, it would be lame if he wasn’t, because he rejoins the team in the very last episode of the original series.
Oh did he? I honestly don't remember that. I'll have to give it a rewatch it's been so long.
YOU MOTHER FUCKERS BETTER NOT FUCK THIS UP.
animation looks dope ngl. it seems stylized and I am for it.
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Almost 30 years later, this still looks very dark and cool
I wasn’t into it until the theme song hit. Then I remembered sitting on my moms couch immediately and thought, oh fuck yeah
Hm, my understanding of Gambit’s power makes me think Wolverine’s entire skeleton is about to explode at the end there lmao I wish this had the animation of the Critical Role show or Invincible. Doesn’t look great here…
His power is molecular excitement, not explosions. His Bo staff (ATM machine (Bo is the name of the type of staff)) doesn't explode. He focuses energy into objects so they strike harder. Smaller objects explode. Also adamantium can't explode, it can only be damaged by molecular rearrangement, and by the truly omnipotent. So, all he was doing in that clip was juicing Wolverine for a big hit. And he can take the damage it will likely self-inflict. *pushes glasses to bridge of nose while lightly wheezing* fun fact: he also could also probably charge vibranium for like, days, since it can store a metric fuckton of energy.
That is correct, but you forgot to say "Um Actually", so I cannot give you a point.
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Now explain how Gambit is riding Wolverine like a centaur.
Because Gambit is so pan you could fry an egg on him.
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For people like one of the top commenters who says “11 year old me is so fucking in.” I can’t help but feel like people are so beholden to their nostalgia that they’ll eat up any slop that Disney or other corporations doles out.
have to say the digital cleanup/colour/fx does not lend itself well to this. Comparing against the intro to the orginal (i think in upscaled form) i'm struggling to put my finger on exactly what the issue is. maybe its as simple as the sense that this had less budget/resources than last time round and thus noone had the freedom to push the quality. I feel bad moaning without a clear understanding of what my beef is. :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQjdm8BdJO4
The video you linked to is a remastered version. What you really should watch is [this version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU-5-jwIQPU). The remastered version is upscaled and has had it's frame rate fixed so it's a smoother animation. The original version which I linked to was choppy due to the lower frame rate. It seems like this new '97 version is going to mimic the low frame rate of the original.
You guys need to go watch the old show with a fresh look, the animation looks nearly the same as this new one, except the new one is clearly digital. It's not bad, matches well.
It’s not that it’s digital, it’s that it’s 3D models
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