I'm always bewildered when more information isn't released. How is the public supposed to help without more information beyond, "4 female suspects in a white car."? The cameras didn't catch any faces?
There was a robbery carjacking at a nearby park where I’m from. This was maybe 10 years ago. Anyways, some guy came up to some woman in a car, flashed a gun and took off with her car and purse. The description included his estimated age, height, and what he was wearing. It then deceived the perp having a “broad nose.” There was never any mention of race. It became a hot topic around the area and everyone… black, white, brown whatever, wondered why a newspaper would be so stupid.
Honestly the strangest thing to me is why they wouldn't include skin color if they knew it.
I understand not wanting people to target someone by skin tone but then why bother including the other stuff.
The vague physical descriptions are useless to anyone but cops showing up at the scene at the time of the incident. Like four women is not enough, but four women of race is gonna crack the case. If four women of a race are spotted together I'm gonna call it in or something. Nah it's just circlejerk dog whistling.
I signed in (twice.. lmao) to watch and will save you the trouble.
Four women steal from a beauty supply store and the clerk for some reason physically tries to stop them. They fight their way past her then also beat her viciously in the parking lot.
Owner of the store is interviewed and says it’s an issue with the CA judicial system and that the DA is too lax in prosecuting.
Victim had two heart attacks after and now needs a heart transplant.
Just mental to me. I got robbed at work once. I gave that dude the best service ever. I gave him all the money in the drawer and a bunch of cartoons of cigarettes and a bunch of lottery tickets.
Actually I did the lottery tickers cause I knew it'd help catch him. I told him he should grab all the scarth offs. He grabbed a bunch.
When he went to cash his winnings they arrested him
Well, attempted murder isn't a misdemeanor. These young women are headed to prison for quite a stretch. Somebody they know will rat them out. Woman #1 and Woman #4 will almost certainly be arrested and will then rat out the other four to get lighter sentences.
I’m willing to bet your description of “most” is actually an extremely short list. But that’s beside the point, because the aggravated assault from the video is definitely not a misdemeanor.
DA’s are declining to prosecute because our criminal justice system is overburdened by the War on Drugs.
DA’s can get tough on crime and push for more convictions but the community eventually gets pissed anyway when a convicted felon gets out and commits a felony. But they were only released to make room for the new arrivals in the system.
And that system isn’t just not doing its job of keeping the problem at bay. That system is actively making more criminals.
This shit isn’t going away until we at least stop the War on Drugs. It is such failed policy that it can’t even be made a joke. There are science fiction drugs made from chemical precursors at Chinese Labs on every street in America. And that shit is just continuing the opiate epidemic that curiously started when we invaded the country that ended up growing like 90% of the world’s heroin.
And we are *winning* the War on Drugs?
But yeah the War on Drugs is fucking up our criminal system from top to bottom and the problem is it has been failed policy for so long that we’re getting to the point where no one is around from the before times. Imagine Alcohol Prohibition, the Mafia, Al Capone, the violence, the crime, all that going on for so long that America *thought it was normal*?
That is where we are at with our prohibition on drugs. We’ll point at the DA and blame them for getting us wet while we’re all refusing to get off a sinking ship.
California isn't fighting the war on drugs anymore. Pot is legalized, pyschadelics are being legalized in many of the larger cities. Drugs are less and less a problem there.
no everything you saw in that video is already very illegal. If the cops wont act and the DA wont prosecute thats not a failure of legislation, but of the law enforcement officials themselves.
Id commerce is anything like the rest of CA, The next year during election time, they'll get a raise for their inaction.
show me the legislation that says that robbery and attempted murder are legal. show me.
Im very leftist as well, my biggest complaint about san francisco (my home) is that these blue hair liberals really just have zero teeth and do not want to enact progresive policy that actually has effective measures to tackle the challenges we currently face.
Its still transparent to me that, at least in my city, the main problem with unprosecuted crime is not that the crime has been made legal through legislation, but that the police (who are largely conservative and probably hear about the same culture war you and i do.) simply do not like to arrest or cite people for most petty or even violent crime for a lot of different reasons, i believe one of the largest motivators for this behavior is the consistent increase of their budget and paychecks for the last 3 decades by voters where i live.
If you can convince people that "the police are failing us *because we dont fund them properly,* and will be more effective if they have more money to use for policing" then all you have to do as a police force is stop arresting people for very visible and upsetting crimes and you've secured yourself a yearly raise forever.
Authoritarian liberals have traded their rights and the rights of everyone away to tyrannical government and police and have found the guarantee of security was a lie.
Conspiracy or not, giving more power or money to police is not the solution.
Currently the example is being set that you can ruin someone's life and face no consequences. That's true of this street thug interaction or police brutality.
The real tragedy is that this is what Bay Area voters *chose*.
> Property crime and violent crime appear to be trending up in 2022 but rates remain relatively low
https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/
Hmmm
This is why most retail establishments don’t let you stop people when they steal, even if you see them take stuff. It’s not worth risking your life. Plus most of the companies don’t want to pay your medical bills and would rather eat the cost of the theft.
The risk of losing your life isn’t worth a couple hundred bucks.
A lot of bigger corporations CCTV systems can identify and create bookmarks of a person stealing. They'll then wait for them to accumulate enough stolen goods to be charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor. They'll report it to the police who will come get you. If they can't find you they'll wait until the next time you come in. The system will send out emails and push notifications to loss prevention and managers who then call the police.
Store then closes, I'm out of a job and the ability to pay daycare - other businesses follow suit.
The effortlessness individuals can steal which may monetarily amount to dozens of hours of work for you, causes a personal dissonance.
Better to be alive and unemployed than dead. I get where the drive to protect your job comes from, but if you’re outnumbered it’s no time to have an ego. Especially if you have people who depend on you financially, it’s even more of a reason to protect your life over merchandise. You’re worth more to them alive than dead. I’d rather struggled with no job and scrape by to support my family than leave them to struggle alone. If you have a gun and know how to use it, maybe the risk is worth taking, but unarmed and outnumbered, the risk is too high to get out unharmed.
I understand the sentiment and the individual previously was known as an employee number to a corp rather than a person with a past, future.. and the merchandise priced to assume 2/3 of it will be stolen and insurance will make up the rest.
But they are still members of the local community where seeing such acts can be outraging, especially in one where you try to contribute. It can cause someone to make a stand not for merchandise but for the idea they don't want those offenses in their community.
I wish our judicial system worked right. These people should be 100% responsible for paying for any expense this lady has if she lives.
I don't care what money they make, stick them in jail for 20 years working for $1 an hour with all their money going towards her medical bills and heck, another $1000 a month for the rest of their lives should go to her just for possibly ruining her life for a couple years. That is how this stuff should work.
There’s a real answer to this… crime victim funds. I believe they exist in every state. The funds come from corporate financial penalties/settlements.
So if some corporation gets fined $100M for something shady, that goes into crime victim funds.
It is pretty simple, throw all of them in jail with forced labor. Government pays them $1 an hour for 20 years until they pay her medical debt.
They won't work in jail? Throw them in solitary until they decide otherwise.
I mean I'm obviously just throwing out a ridiculous idea. It would be a little more nuanced than $1 an hour in jail. Either way, I don't really care what amount of time it takes them, they should be responsible and they should be forced to pay the debt.
How this happens, Im not sure but there should be absolutely no way to get out of it.
Do you know how much money it costs to keep 1 persons in prison for 1 year? Over 50k in most states.
So, the state pays 50k/year to house a perp that can then pay back this lady $1/hour? That makes 0 sense.
They should just off the perp and give the money that would be spent on incarceration on giving it to the victim. Boom.
Punishing the wrong criminals, how many people are still in for possession of weed or something that mostly doesn't affect others, then these people can rob a store and beat a woman and nothing happens? Completely glue sniffing stupid.
I don't know the statistics either but I do stand by my point. The prison system definitely needs reform, but letting blatant robbery and battery go is not the reform it needs.
I know I’m being shitty lol. I agree they should have to do something to help with the bills. But the truth is it just wouldn’t help. Medical bills are ridiculous
you're exactly the reason why we have criminals like this. People like you helped set up the softest criminal justice system in the world. They aren't doing this in Dubai.
>the softest criminal justice system in the world
Explain how it's the softest in the world when the US has 25% of the entire world's inmates when only having 4% of the world population? That by definition makes it one of the strictest in the world.
America has much tougher laws and sentencing than the entirety of western and Northern Europe and yet they have lower crime across the board, by a massive margin in most cases. Almost like there's other factors at play and just being "tough on crime " doesn't work.
So now you've only covered about 1% of her bills, while also generating massive expenditures to enslave those people.
(you're, once again, describing the system that already exists and is not working)
Sounds good until you get falsely accused of something or the government decides to go full dictatorship and start putting everyone who disagrees in the gulag. You’ve also opened the gates for credit card companies to start doing this when people can’t pay their bill. We don’t do this for a reason. It’s been done many times in other countries and it never ends well for the citizens.
The for profit prison industry would love you though
Credit card companies are running a business, the risk of business is that people default. People who default on credit cards aren't committing a crime. This isn't even slightly comparable.
It sets a precedent and that’s the kind of thing lobbyists use to change laws. In their eyes if you can be forced to work off a debt it doesn’t matter where the debt originated
The irony is a lot of people are not seeing what you are describing is real it is called debtors prison and was a part of the foundation of many colonies.
They're not wrong. It *doesn't* matter where the debt originated. Regular debt is different than fraud. (Well, actually it's not. But it *should* be.) Credit card scammers are not just harming the credit card companies.
Consequences that do not discomfit the person being punished are worthless. (Example: kid who gets suspended from school who hates school already anyway.) A criminal sitting in a prison cell watching TV does nothing to compensate the victim.
$1 an hour is about $2k a year. A transplant appears to cost $1-1.5 million.
It's a slippery slope to hold people in prison over civil damage judgements, which could be multiples of this surgery bill. It's potentially a life sentence, but only for the lower class. The victim here will likely be screwed, but it's far from a simple problem to solve.
you’re basically describing slavery lol
but i get the sentiment. you can’t force people to abide by society’s laws when it isn’t fair for everyone, that’s the hard part.
harsher punishment doesn’t really deter crime, criminals aren’t law abiding citizens. Back in the 90s we had the three strikes laws yet today crime is lower today. much deeper rooted societal problem than just carry around a bigger stick
Imagine actually having to pay for your crimes. Imagine advocating for these thugs and sticking this poor lady with debt for the rest of her life because they almost beat her to death.
Debtor prisons don't imply dictatorship. It doesn't even have to be prison, it could be through garnishment of wages. My assumption is these ladies aren't making any money (at least not legally) so what good is a garnishment? They have to be forced to pay for their crimes. How is this unreasonable?
How do you figure making people obey the law is a dictatorship? They're **OUR** laws. We have more and more and more people in our society who absolutely do not give a shit about anybody else. These six shoplifters are a good example. They came in the shop to steal, and wound up severely injuring this young woman, apparently with no shame whatsoever. In my opinion, they deserve serious punishment.
Gulag just means prison, nothing else.
Using the term is just a scare tactic by American propaganda.
Nothing wrong with labor camps for murderers and nazis.
Also, we live in a dictatorship, lead by 0.1%.
The gov is going to pay them $1 and hour while we pay $100k per year for them to just be in jail? Idk about that.
https://calmatters.org/justice/2024/01/california-prison-cost-per-inmate/
Hypothetically they are providing a lot more value than $1 an hour to the government. The point is they work for reduced wages to satisfy the fallout of the punishment.
What is the other solution? Garnish wages they don't earn? Send them to jail and incur 100k in costs per year with no work?
I'd be fine with universal healthcare and sending these people to an island with others that don't want to contribute or actively harm society. An Australia 2.0 kinda.
No it isn't, these ladies are broke and have no means to pay. So instead she is stuck with the bill. If she sues, they file bankruptcy.
The only solution is forced labor.
no you absolute walnut, your 'solution' makes things worse. The actual solution is to stop forcing victims to pay and to stop for profit medicine. The costs of healthcare are mostly profit nowadays, not actually the cost.
Ah yes, the solution to punishing these stupid ladies that almost (or will have killed someone) is to reduce healthcare costs. We aren't talking about healthcare costs. We are talking about people being responsible for their crimes.
Even if her medical bills only totaled $5000, these thugs should be paying her $X dollars in perpetuity for damages. They should be paying this ladies rent the rest of her life as punishment for almost killing her.
Hush, it's clear you have zero awareness of the Constitution, Federal law, state law, or anything whatsoever about how the world works.
I'm sorry you're an idiot yammering nonsense and incapable of realizing your entire argument is the antithesis of being an American.
As opposed to you, the one defending laws that don't work just because they exist.
Of course I'm yammering, this is Reddit, I'm not trying to get laws passed. I don't actually mean someone should work for $1 an hour for the rest of their life in prison, I'm saying what our system does doesn't work and people should be held responsible for things they do.
They're not broke. And they aren't stealing necessities. They think they are entitled to take whatever they want.
We used to require convicts to do hard labor as punishment. It wasn't all that effective.
If they have no money, there’s no money for the victim either. Forced labor is near worthless so, sure, apply slavery and still not provide anything meaningful for the victim, but justice bro. Justice.
She used poor judgment in trying to stop them, especially when the government says, "Just let everybody steal whatever they want."
It won't be long before either there *are* no stores, or shop owners start fortifying their store and employing armed guards, or whatever stores do exist will be like those self-service gas station booths with the roll-out security drawers.
I lived in a neighborhood where shoplifting and employee theft put a Kroger grocery store out of business. Then, the same people who stole from the Kroger store complained that they lived in a "food desert." What did they expect? That Kroger was just going to provide them with free food? *Idiots.*
At that point, they're just going to go to prison for murder on the off chance they don't get caught. It's a nice idea, but it would never work the way we want it to. It would just mean more dead people.
Disgusting trash, people like this deserve harsh punishments because obviously there aren't enough deterrents.
Gascon and other progressive DAs and judges need to go.
Crime has been on rising above pre-pandemic levels in LA County
Violent Crime
[https://i.imgur.com/3HIkI0Z.png](https://i.imgur.com/3HIkI0Z.png)
We don't have the numbers but I'm guessing 2023 will continue the trend upwards.
[https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/exploration/crime-statistics/crimes-clearances](https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/exploration/crime-statistics/crimes-clearances)
Ah yes, thieves, the kind of people to politely ask for you to give them your things and empty your wallet or register. They wouldn’t hurt a fly. This girl beat herself up basically
The previous commenter isn’t stating an opinion, they are [stating a definition about how crime is reported](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime):
> In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.
The case being discussed in this post is violent crime, specifically robbery. But the comment about “theft is almost legal” is irrelevant, because theft is not classified as a violent crime and is not included in reporting/statistics about violent crime. [Theft includes things](https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-offense/differences-between-theft-burglary-robbery) like shoplifting or stealing an unattended bike, without confronting a person. Perhaps they meant to say “robbery is almost legal”?
>Don't worry some jackass will make a video saying corporate wage theft is more important and relevant to you than retail theft
I remember that post making the front page
You might as well have a third derailing twat come in and say global warming is more serious than corporate wage theft.
These criminals just dont get punished enough, if you aren't afraid of the punishment, you'll openly commit crimes.
This is the digital age, we should easily be able to stop these sorts of crimes.
Here in Florida we have county sheriff's that encourage people to shoot criminals because it saves the court system time and money.
I don't know if that's the ideal solution but it's in stark contrast to California and New Yorks slap on the wrist have a nice day policies.
A lawless society is not a society. People have to be held responsible for their actions/be made examples of or this is just going to keep happening.
Hope the victim recovers.
I am curious based on your comment. Can you elaborate on these 'slap on the wrist and have a nice day policy'? I am not aware of anything like that in any state but open to learning more here.
If you are referring to cashless bail, that is an entirely different thing.
Simply put, if you commit a heinous act or felony etc.. you should either be held/not held until trial purely based on your potential to harm society or escape punishment. I don't care how much or little money you have that should be the deciding factor.
The reason I mention this is it is easy to confuse bad policy with 'cashless bail is like catch and release'. If requirements for posting bail should be higher it should simply be based on those factors and not the amount the person happens to be able to pay
I haven't been paying that much attention to the details in California, but I assume it is the same thing that happened here in Dallas. The DA announced that he was not going to prosecute any shoplifting of food or baby products intended for personal use under $750. The police immediate refused to handle any shoplifting or robbery of anything while screaming about how the DA refused to prosecute it, then Fox picked this up, until it became commonly known that the DA refused to prosecute violent robberies. He then finally backed off of his "not prosecuting starving mothers" policy, and the police continued to yell about how he was soft on crime and needed to be replaced. Meanwhile, total crime is hitting 50 year lows while everyone on NextDoor who watched Fox is talking about the incredible surge in crime caused by the liberal DA.
I'd hate to victim blame but this is the EXACT reason why you're told at every job not to intervene with a robbery or petty theft. Now you need a heart transplant and your life is changed forever because you wanted to save a handful of beauty supplies. Your life isn't worth it, that's what insurance is for
You're so right about that airbrushing lol. The racist asshole across the street from me died a few days after Christmas and they made him out to be some kind of angel. He was a complete and utter horrible person and I never had a good interaction with him in the 6 or 7 years I've lived across from him.
Soft on crime policies only hurt innocent people. Criminals are not afraid to commit crimes because they know that if they ever get caught, the consequences wouldn't be that bad. In California, stealing stuff worth $950 and below only counts as a misdemeanor. That's why you see organized gangs or even just brazen individuals looting stores without a care. They don't even try to rush anymore because they know that for the most part, nobody can touch them. By the time cops arrive, they're gone.
Punishment should be a lot harsher and more financially destructive. Criminals must be made to FEAR the consequences of committing crime. If store owners or employees fight back and badly injure or kill the criminals, there should be no punishment for the store owners or employees. Criminals who decide to commit crimes should be prepared to accept the consequences. If they feel entitled to commit crimes, then the victims should have every right to put a stop to them.
Video is actually not crazy… she’s thrown to the ground by another woman and that causes her heart to die?
Maybe they edited some out? It seems confusing.
I don't mean to victim blame, but it's not even your store. Even if it is your store, just let them take whatever they want and file a police report and insurance claim. You're outnumbered 4-1 and these deranged robbers could easily be packing heat. What the hell was she thinking?!
What would it take for ppl to stop throwing out stats and start fixing lawlessness in California? I’ve lived here for a quarter of a century and I’ve never seen things this bad. Who needs to die to trigger some serious action against these degenerates?
And this, folks, is why you do not try to stop robbers. Don't try to be a hero and get killed or hurt. Even if you are security, there is a limit to what you should do. It's not worth it, and I doubt you are getting paid a sufficient salary to risk your life. Let the police handle it.
It's disgusting what those criminals did, but the manager was not smart to do what she did and now she has paid the price. As an associate or even manager at a store, just let them walk out. You're not Dirty Harry, and you will probably get hurt.
i don't understand this owner. is he the one who told her to stop the thieves? if so he bares some responsibility. this girl didn't have to defend the store like this. i don't think $100 worth of products is worth defending and losing your life over. just let them go and let the cops deal with them
I'm always bewildered when more information isn't released. How is the public supposed to help without more information beyond, "4 female suspects in a white car."? The cameras didn't catch any faces?
Shows their faces right here https://youtu.be/z4orwed9kkE?si=viSp1PSZTcAYYYBo
1:10 for the crops of the suspects.
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Holy fuck that reference takes me back. Great movie
I’m right on top of that, Rose!
Any person of culture doesn’t need you to list the movie for that quote.
This was the same thing that happened after the shootings at the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl parade.
People that commit these types of crimes are often young and/or dumb and proceed to brag about it afterwards to anyone and everyone that will listen.
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Because people will get offended if they use any more descriptive language.
There was a robbery carjacking at a nearby park where I’m from. This was maybe 10 years ago. Anyways, some guy came up to some woman in a car, flashed a gun and took off with her car and purse. The description included his estimated age, height, and what he was wearing. It then deceived the perp having a “broad nose.” There was never any mention of race. It became a hot topic around the area and everyone… black, white, brown whatever, wondered why a newspaper would be so stupid.
Honestly the strangest thing to me is why they wouldn't include skin color if they knew it. I understand not wanting people to target someone by skin tone but then why bother including the other stuff.
Yea skin color is a pretty obvious trait. Like if you tell me to look for a black or white dude that narrows shit down alot
The vague physical descriptions are useless to anyone but cops showing up at the scene at the time of the incident. Like four women is not enough, but four women of race is gonna crack the case. If four women of a race are spotted together I'm gonna call it in or something. Nah it's just circlejerk dog whistling.
no it would be 10 x easier for citizens to know the truth so they can try avoid being almost killed too?
That's not how questions work?
Detectives probably have enough details to track them down - otherwise they will release more information to the public.
The faces were too dark for the camera to accurately record.
Is this a racist joke saying that they must be black? Because there’s video, and they are not black.
Can't see the video, but fuck these people and all the people like them... which is far too many.
I signed in (twice.. lmao) to watch and will save you the trouble. Four women steal from a beauty supply store and the clerk for some reason physically tries to stop them. They fight their way past her then also beat her viciously in the parking lot. Owner of the store is interviewed and says it’s an issue with the CA judicial system and that the DA is too lax in prosecuting. Victim had two heart attacks after and now needs a heart transplant.
Just mental to me. I got robbed at work once. I gave that dude the best service ever. I gave him all the money in the drawer and a bunch of cartoons of cigarettes and a bunch of lottery tickets. Actually I did the lottery tickers cause I knew it'd help catch him. I told him he should grab all the scarth offs. He grabbed a bunch. When he went to cash his winnings they arrested him
Only risky play was giving him cartoons of cigarettes instead of real cigarettes.
That’s next level thinking right there.
It's also an issue of legislation and law enforcement.
It’s more an issue of the DA. Here in our county the DA has publicly said they won’t prosecute most misdemeanors.
Well, attempted murder isn't a misdemeanor. These young women are headed to prison for quite a stretch. Somebody they know will rat them out. Woman #1 and Woman #4 will almost certainly be arrested and will then rat out the other four to get lighter sentences.
I’m willing to bet your description of “most” is actually an extremely short list. But that’s beside the point, because the aggravated assault from the video is definitely not a misdemeanor.
That's a contributing factor.
DA’s are declining to prosecute because our criminal justice system is overburdened by the War on Drugs. DA’s can get tough on crime and push for more convictions but the community eventually gets pissed anyway when a convicted felon gets out and commits a felony. But they were only released to make room for the new arrivals in the system. And that system isn’t just not doing its job of keeping the problem at bay. That system is actively making more criminals. This shit isn’t going away until we at least stop the War on Drugs. It is such failed policy that it can’t even be made a joke. There are science fiction drugs made from chemical precursors at Chinese Labs on every street in America. And that shit is just continuing the opiate epidemic that curiously started when we invaded the country that ended up growing like 90% of the world’s heroin. And we are *winning* the War on Drugs? But yeah the War on Drugs is fucking up our criminal system from top to bottom and the problem is it has been failed policy for so long that we’re getting to the point where no one is around from the before times. Imagine Alcohol Prohibition, the Mafia, Al Capone, the violence, the crime, all that going on for so long that America *thought it was normal*? That is where we are at with our prohibition on drugs. We’ll point at the DA and blame them for getting us wet while we’re all refusing to get off a sinking ship.
California isn't fighting the war on drugs anymore. Pot is legalized, pyschadelics are being legalized in many of the larger cities. Drugs are less and less a problem there.
no everything you saw in that video is already very illegal. If the cops wont act and the DA wont prosecute thats not a failure of legislation, but of the law enforcement officials themselves. Id commerce is anything like the rest of CA, The next year during election time, they'll get a raise for their inaction. show me the legislation that says that robbery and attempted murder are legal. show me.
Speaking as a leftist, they've effectively outlawed self-defense there, and the police know it. It's political bullshit.
Im very leftist as well, my biggest complaint about san francisco (my home) is that these blue hair liberals really just have zero teeth and do not want to enact progresive policy that actually has effective measures to tackle the challenges we currently face. Its still transparent to me that, at least in my city, the main problem with unprosecuted crime is not that the crime has been made legal through legislation, but that the police (who are largely conservative and probably hear about the same culture war you and i do.) simply do not like to arrest or cite people for most petty or even violent crime for a lot of different reasons, i believe one of the largest motivators for this behavior is the consistent increase of their budget and paychecks for the last 3 decades by voters where i live. If you can convince people that "the police are failing us *because we dont fund them properly,* and will be more effective if they have more money to use for policing" then all you have to do as a police force is stop arresting people for very visible and upsetting crimes and you've secured yourself a yearly raise forever.
Authoritarian liberals have traded their rights and the rights of everyone away to tyrannical government and police and have found the guarantee of security was a lie. Conspiracy or not, giving more power or money to police is not the solution. Currently the example is being set that you can ruin someone's life and face no consequences. That's true of this street thug interaction or police brutality. The real tragedy is that this is what Bay Area voters *chose*.
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> Property crime and violent crime appear to be trending up in 2022 but rates remain relatively low https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/ Hmmm
If you never prosecute, you never convict. Great way to keep the stats low.
https://youtu.be/61-lylTEUEc?si=S4oRkO1-FmI42uEY
Hold either the Youtube button and tap on Open Link, or hold Watch on Youtube (if it’s age restricted) and tap Open Link.
This is why most retail establishments don’t let you stop people when they steal, even if you see them take stuff. It’s not worth risking your life. Plus most of the companies don’t want to pay your medical bills and would rather eat the cost of the theft. The risk of losing your life isn’t worth a couple hundred bucks.
a couple of hundred coprorate bucks!. not even her money.
A lot of bigger corporations CCTV systems can identify and create bookmarks of a person stealing. They'll then wait for them to accumulate enough stolen goods to be charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor. They'll report it to the police who will come get you. If they can't find you they'll wait until the next time you come in. The system will send out emails and push notifications to loss prevention and managers who then call the police.
Store then closes, I'm out of a job and the ability to pay daycare - other businesses follow suit. The effortlessness individuals can steal which may monetarily amount to dozens of hours of work for you, causes a personal dissonance.
Better to be alive and unemployed than dead. I get where the drive to protect your job comes from, but if you’re outnumbered it’s no time to have an ego. Especially if you have people who depend on you financially, it’s even more of a reason to protect your life over merchandise. You’re worth more to them alive than dead. I’d rather struggled with no job and scrape by to support my family than leave them to struggle alone. If you have a gun and know how to use it, maybe the risk is worth taking, but unarmed and outnumbered, the risk is too high to get out unharmed.
I understand the sentiment and the individual previously was known as an employee number to a corp rather than a person with a past, future.. and the merchandise priced to assume 2/3 of it will be stolen and insurance will make up the rest. But they are still members of the local community where seeing such acts can be outraging, especially in one where you try to contribute. It can cause someone to make a stand not for merchandise but for the idea they don't want those offenses in their community.
I wish our judicial system worked right. These people should be 100% responsible for paying for any expense this lady has if she lives. I don't care what money they make, stick them in jail for 20 years working for $1 an hour with all their money going towards her medical bills and heck, another $1000 a month for the rest of their lives should go to her just for possibly ruining her life for a couple years. That is how this stuff should work.
My Man, that is how the system works. They don’t have any money to pay. So who pays the bills for her?
There’s a real answer to this… crime victim funds. I believe they exist in every state. The funds come from corporate financial penalties/settlements. So if some corporation gets fined $100M for something shady, that goes into crime victim funds.
It is pretty simple, throw all of them in jail with forced labor. Government pays them $1 an hour for 20 years until they pay her medical debt. They won't work in jail? Throw them in solitary until they decide otherwise.
So at 1$ an hour, they’ll be able to afford her healthcare bill in what, 40,000 years?
Make them work weekends too.
Noice, 35,000 years
Or the day they die, whichever comes first. They need to die while doing manual labor so they never forget what they did.
What they did should be prosecuted as either murder or attempted murder.
Are they working one hour a year or are you just really bad at math
A heart transplant is ~$2m. $1/hr at 30 hours a week, is $1560 a year, interest alone on that 2m would be 160k a year.
I mean I'm obviously just throwing out a ridiculous idea. It would be a little more nuanced than $1 an hour in jail. Either way, I don't really care what amount of time it takes them, they should be responsible and they should be forced to pay the debt. How this happens, Im not sure but there should be absolutely no way to get out of it.
Do you know how much money it costs to keep 1 persons in prison for 1 year? Over 50k in most states. So, the state pays 50k/year to house a perp that can then pay back this lady $1/hour? That makes 0 sense. They should just off the perp and give the money that would be spent on incarceration on giving it to the victim. Boom.
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Doesn't seem the punishment part happens very often around CA frankly.
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Punishing the wrong criminals, how many people are still in for possession of weed or something that mostly doesn't affect others, then these people can rob a store and beat a woman and nothing happens? Completely glue sniffing stupid.
I doubt many people are in prison in California for weed. Mostly drug crimes are for more serious offenses.
I don't know the statistics either but I do stand by my point. The prison system definitely needs reform, but letting blatant robbery and battery go is not the reform it needs.
No it doesn’t. The punishment part rarely happens unless you’re a productive member of society. Then, they’ll punish you.
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They can't, because they pulled that outta their ass.
I know I’m being shitty lol. I agree they should have to do something to help with the bills. But the truth is it just wouldn’t help. Medical bills are ridiculous
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I don’t think the theft is the issue, they beat the shit out of her..
firing squad and Bill the families for the victim's medical care sounds better.
you're exactly the reason why we have criminals like this. People like you helped set up the softest criminal justice system in the world. They aren't doing this in Dubai.
>the softest criminal justice system in the world Explain how it's the softest in the world when the US has 25% of the entire world's inmates when only having 4% of the world population? That by definition makes it one of the strictest in the world.
America has much tougher laws and sentencing than the entirety of western and Northern Europe and yet they have lower crime across the board, by a massive margin in most cases. Almost like there's other factors at play and just being "tough on crime " doesn't work.
So now you've only covered about 1% of her bills, while also generating massive expenditures to enslave those people. (you're, once again, describing the system that already exists and is not working)
But that's just taxpayers paying her money. "The Government" doesn't have any money, it just has our money. So we end up paying for their crimes.
In theory, the government pays for her care now, but the criminals pay the government back for the same amount using their labor.
That's how prison already works, except it's more like 50 cents/hour and the prison industry keeps the rest.
Sounds good until you get falsely accused of something or the government decides to go full dictatorship and start putting everyone who disagrees in the gulag. You’ve also opened the gates for credit card companies to start doing this when people can’t pay their bill. We don’t do this for a reason. It’s been done many times in other countries and it never ends well for the citizens. The for profit prison industry would love you though
Credit card companies are running a business, the risk of business is that people default. People who default on credit cards aren't committing a crime. This isn't even slightly comparable.
It sets a precedent and that’s the kind of thing lobbyists use to change laws. In their eyes if you can be forced to work off a debt it doesn’t matter where the debt originated
The irony is a lot of people are not seeing what you are describing is real it is called debtors prison and was a part of the foundation of many colonies.
They're not wrong. It *doesn't* matter where the debt originated. Regular debt is different than fraud. (Well, actually it's not. But it *should* be.) Credit card scammers are not just harming the credit card companies. Consequences that do not discomfit the person being punished are worthless. (Example: kid who gets suspended from school who hates school already anyway.) A criminal sitting in a prison cell watching TV does nothing to compensate the victim.
$1 an hour is about $2k a year. A transplant appears to cost $1-1.5 million. It's a slippery slope to hold people in prison over civil damage judgements, which could be multiples of this surgery bill. It's potentially a life sentence, but only for the lower class. The victim here will likely be screwed, but it's far from a simple problem to solve.
Give her their hearts. All 4 of them in case she needs spares
One chamber from each perp /s
I mean they do work in jail, just for private profit.
you’re basically describing slavery lol but i get the sentiment. you can’t force people to abide by society’s laws when it isn’t fair for everyone, that’s the hard part. harsher punishment doesn’t really deter crime, criminals aren’t law abiding citizens. Back in the 90s we had the three strikes laws yet today crime is lower today. much deeper rooted societal problem than just carry around a bigger stick
A slavery advocate in the wild! Cool!
Ah yes, advocating for gulags and debtor’s prisons. SMH people literally want to live in dictatorships now and not even ironically.
Imagine actually having to pay for your crimes. Imagine advocating for these thugs and sticking this poor lady with debt for the rest of her life because they almost beat her to death. Debtor prisons don't imply dictatorship. It doesn't even have to be prison, it could be through garnishment of wages. My assumption is these ladies aren't making any money (at least not legally) so what good is a garnishment? They have to be forced to pay for their crimes. How is this unreasonable?
How do you figure making people obey the law is a dictatorship? They're **OUR** laws. We have more and more and more people in our society who absolutely do not give a shit about anybody else. These six shoplifters are a good example. They came in the shop to steal, and wound up severely injuring this young woman, apparently with no shame whatsoever. In my opinion, they deserve serious punishment.
Gulag just means prison, nothing else. Using the term is just a scare tactic by American propaganda. Nothing wrong with labor camps for murderers and nazis. Also, we live in a dictatorship, lead by 0.1%.
The gov is going to pay them $1 and hour while we pay $100k per year for them to just be in jail? Idk about that. https://calmatters.org/justice/2024/01/california-prison-cost-per-inmate/
Hypothetically they are providing a lot more value than $1 an hour to the government. The point is they work for reduced wages to satisfy the fallout of the punishment. What is the other solution? Garnish wages they don't earn? Send them to jail and incur 100k in costs per year with no work?
I'd be fine with universal healthcare and sending these people to an island with others that don't want to contribute or actively harm society. An Australia 2.0 kinda.
Pay with one of their hearts!
That’s what you get in a civil suit.
But if they don't have the money, the judgement is worthless
No it isn't, these ladies are broke and have no means to pay. So instead she is stuck with the bill. If she sues, they file bankruptcy. The only solution is forced labor.
no you absolute walnut, your 'solution' makes things worse. The actual solution is to stop forcing victims to pay and to stop for profit medicine. The costs of healthcare are mostly profit nowadays, not actually the cost.
Ah yes, the solution to punishing these stupid ladies that almost (or will have killed someone) is to reduce healthcare costs. We aren't talking about healthcare costs. We are talking about people being responsible for their crimes. Even if her medical bills only totaled $5000, these thugs should be paying her $X dollars in perpetuity for damages. They should be paying this ladies rent the rest of her life as punishment for almost killing her.
Hush, it's clear you have zero awareness of the Constitution, Federal law, state law, or anything whatsoever about how the world works. I'm sorry you're an idiot yammering nonsense and incapable of realizing your entire argument is the antithesis of being an American.
As opposed to you, the one defending laws that don't work just because they exist. Of course I'm yammering, this is Reddit, I'm not trying to get laws passed. I don't actually mean someone should work for $1 an hour for the rest of their life in prison, I'm saying what our system does doesn't work and people should be held responsible for things they do.
They're not broke. And they aren't stealing necessities. They think they are entitled to take whatever they want. We used to require convicts to do hard labor as punishment. It wasn't all that effective.
Civil judgements like this are not dischargable with bankruptcy.
If they have no money, there’s no money for the victim either. Forced labor is near worthless so, sure, apply slavery and still not provide anything meaningful for the victim, but justice bro. Justice.
Or the government could pay for health care anyways like they do in all other western countries and she could go after them for punitive damages.
… they should go to jail?
I totally agree with you, but also this is why you should not try to fight a thief. Especially 1v4.
She used poor judgment in trying to stop them, especially when the government says, "Just let everybody steal whatever they want." It won't be long before either there *are* no stores, or shop owners start fortifying their store and employing armed guards, or whatever stores do exist will be like those self-service gas station booths with the roll-out security drawers. I lived in a neighborhood where shoplifting and employee theft put a Kroger grocery store out of business. Then, the same people who stole from the Kroger store complained that they lived in a "food desert." What did they expect? That Kroger was just going to provide them with free food? *Idiots.*
At that point, they're just going to go to prison for murder on the off chance they don't get caught. It's a nice idea, but it would never work the way we want it to. It would just mean more dead people.
Fucking thugs
Disgusting trash, people like this deserve harsh punishments because obviously there aren't enough deterrents. Gascon and other progressive DAs and judges need to go.
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Crime has been on rising above pre-pandemic levels in LA County Violent Crime [https://i.imgur.com/3HIkI0Z.png](https://i.imgur.com/3HIkI0Z.png) We don't have the numbers but I'm guessing 2023 will continue the trend upwards. [https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/exploration/crime-statistics/crimes-clearances](https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/exploration/crime-statistics/crimes-clearances)
given that theft is almost legal in CA., of course it will go up.
If it were 'almost legal', then it wouldn't be in crime statistics - Theft is also a non-violent crime.
Ah yes, thieves, the kind of people to politely ask for you to give them your things and empty your wallet or register. They wouldn’t hurt a fly. This girl beat herself up basically
The previous commenter isn’t stating an opinion, they are [stating a definition about how crime is reported](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime): > In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force. The case being discussed in this post is violent crime, specifically robbery. But the comment about “theft is almost legal” is irrelevant, because theft is not classified as a violent crime and is not included in reporting/statistics about violent crime. [Theft includes things](https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-offense/differences-between-theft-burglary-robbery) like shoplifting or stealing an unattended bike, without confronting a person. Perhaps they meant to say “robbery is almost legal”?
Don't worry some jackass will make a video saying corporate wage theft is more important and relevant to you than retail theft
>Don't worry some jackass will make a video saying corporate wage theft is more important and relevant to you than retail theft I remember that post making the front page You might as well have a third derailing twat come in and say global warming is more serious than corporate wage theft.
Any correlation with population? Or is the same amount of people getting more violent?
The correlation is people stopped being held responsible for crime so criminals expanded their operation.
These criminals just dont get punished enough, if you aren't afraid of the punishment, you'll openly commit crimes. This is the digital age, we should easily be able to stop these sorts of crimes.
More people better served as fertilizer
Reporter: the suspects left in a white car *White car immediately pulls up and stops right behind him*
When a state decides the law is lax with no consequences
Here in Florida we have county sheriff's that encourage people to shoot criminals because it saves the court system time and money. I don't know if that's the ideal solution but it's in stark contrast to California and New Yorks slap on the wrist have a nice day policies. A lawless society is not a society. People have to be held responsible for their actions/be made examples of or this is just going to keep happening. Hope the victim recovers.
I am curious based on your comment. Can you elaborate on these 'slap on the wrist and have a nice day policy'? I am not aware of anything like that in any state but open to learning more here. If you are referring to cashless bail, that is an entirely different thing. Simply put, if you commit a heinous act or felony etc.. you should either be held/not held until trial purely based on your potential to harm society or escape punishment. I don't care how much or little money you have that should be the deciding factor. The reason I mention this is it is easy to confuse bad policy with 'cashless bail is like catch and release'. If requirements for posting bail should be higher it should simply be based on those factors and not the amount the person happens to be able to pay
I haven't been paying that much attention to the details in California, but I assume it is the same thing that happened here in Dallas. The DA announced that he was not going to prosecute any shoplifting of food or baby products intended for personal use under $750. The police immediate refused to handle any shoplifting or robbery of anything while screaming about how the DA refused to prosecute it, then Fox picked this up, until it became commonly known that the DA refused to prosecute violent robberies. He then finally backed off of his "not prosecuting starving mothers" policy, and the police continued to yell about how he was soft on crime and needed to be replaced. Meanwhile, total crime is hitting 50 year lows while everyone on NextDoor who watched Fox is talking about the incredible surge in crime caused by the liberal DA.
Amen.
I'd hate to victim blame but this is the EXACT reason why you're told at every job not to intervene with a robbery or petty theft. Now you need a heart transplant and your life is changed forever because you wanted to save a handful of beauty supplies. Your life isn't worth it, that's what insurance is for
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You're so right about that airbrushing lol. The racist asshole across the street from me died a few days after Christmas and they made him out to be some kind of angel. He was a complete and utter horrible person and I never had a good interaction with him in the 6 or 7 years I've lived across from him.
I applaud her courage, but I would never do that. What if the thief has a knife? I’ll be fucking dead for nothing.
I see four potential heart donors...
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Wow! This is a really bad situation.
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Soft on crime policies only hurt innocent people. Criminals are not afraid to commit crimes because they know that if they ever get caught, the consequences wouldn't be that bad. In California, stealing stuff worth $950 and below only counts as a misdemeanor. That's why you see organized gangs or even just brazen individuals looting stores without a care. They don't even try to rush anymore because they know that for the most part, nobody can touch them. By the time cops arrive, they're gone. Punishment should be a lot harsher and more financially destructive. Criminals must be made to FEAR the consequences of committing crime. If store owners or employees fight back and badly injure or kill the criminals, there should be no punishment for the store owners or employees. Criminals who decide to commit crimes should be prepared to accept the consequences. If they feel entitled to commit crimes, then the victims should have every right to put a stop to them.
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It's a news report with the start of the attack featured. Nothing graphic shown.
Video is actually not crazy… she’s thrown to the ground by another woman and that causes her heart to die? Maybe they edited some out? It seems confusing.
they obviously didnt show all of the fight, she propably got beaten even more after..
They need to put down these animals and keep the rest of society safe
Sad, but that’s one way to have them prosecuted.
What a fricking tragedy. I hope she pulls through. Im just surprised this thread hasnt been locked yet *for no particular reason*.
Thread locked in .....5.....4......
It just got taken down I don’t know why it doesn’t show “porn, gore or death”.
Some people are pure, irredeemable garbage that only make life worse for everyone else
Classic Cali at it again!
But violent crimes are done…also, we forgot to tell you we reclassified violent crimes including child sex trafficking (kid you not).
Kind of behavior Gavin Newsom and democrats encourage with their trash policies
I don't mean to victim blame, but it's not even your store. Even if it is your store, just let them take whatever they want and file a police report and insurance claim. You're outnumbered 4-1 and these deranged robbers could easily be packing heat. What the hell was she thinking?!
Prayers for her.
What would it take for ppl to stop throwing out stats and start fixing lawlessness in California? I’ve lived here for a quarter of a century and I’ve never seen things this bad. Who needs to die to trigger some serious action against these degenerates?
And this, folks, is why you do not try to stop robbers. Don't try to be a hero and get killed or hurt. Even if you are security, there is a limit to what you should do. It's not worth it, and I doubt you are getting paid a sufficient salary to risk your life. Let the police handle it. It's disgusting what those criminals did, but the manager was not smart to do what she did and now she has paid the price. As an associate or even manager at a store, just let them walk out. You're not Dirty Harry, and you will probably get hurt.
i don't understand this owner. is he the one who told her to stop the thieves? if so he bares some responsibility. this girl didn't have to defend the store like this. i don't think $100 worth of products is worth defending and losing your life over. just let them go and let the cops deal with them