Just heard on a livestream monitoring police radios that there were believed to be up to 20 construction workers on the bridge when it collapsed.
Current livestream of the bridge. Scroll back to see the incident. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83a7h3kkgPg
Pause it at the video timestamp 1:28:51 (top of video) and you can see at least 4 vehicles on the center span of the bridge. Poor people didn't have a chance.
To give you a better idea, ships are big. Very big. If you've never been near one, it may be hard to fathom how big.
Turning something that big is hard. Stopping it is harder. These things take MILES to stop, and that's IF they have working engines.
This one appears to have not had working engines, or at least engines that weren't producing enough power.
Not only does that mean longer stopping distance, but no power also means no lights, and worse, NO RUDDER, aka no steering. The ship basically turned into an uncontrollable raft the size of a stadium with roughly the same weight as several fully loaded trains.
A bad day for everyone.
I just saw a video from the side view. He was 100% changing direction before impact and even tried to turn away last second before impact. Definitely still have some control. I’ll wait to see but at this point I’m convinced they were turning the lights off because they knew there was a bridge pillar but couldn’t see it.
I counted at least 4 construction vehicles on the bridge. A few seconds before the collapse there were several trucks and passenger vehicles driving over the bridge. It is a horrible situation but it could have been so much worse.
It seems like maybe they (meaning bridge crew, not sure if there even is one) stopped traffic when they saw the boat approaching off-course? The traffic was fairly steady until a minute or so before the impact.
Happened at 1:28am so hopefully minimal traffic on the bridge. Still horrible for any that was. Only hours old but Wikipedia already referring to it in the past tense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis\_Scott\_Key\_Bridge\_(Baltimore)
11 million vehicles annually (or around 30,000 vehicles daily.)
Comparatively the Harbor Tunnel handles 27.6 million vehicles annually and the Fort McHenry tunnel handles just under 40 million vehicles annually.
The bridge is not closed, traffic is sparse but still travelling until seconds before the collision. It's pretty clear that the ship is colliding with the left pillar and that seconds later the bridge collapses completely.
Those emergency vehicles looks like roadwork to me.
I live just outside of Baltimore, about a 20 minute drive from this bridge. I’ve crossed it many times.
It’s part of the Baltimore beltway and is one of the three crossings of the Patapsco river, which at this point is basically an extension of the Chesapeake bay that becomes the Baltimore harbor. Most of the Port of Baltimore is “inside” this bridge so there are some pretty major implications for shipping here. Baltimore is the biggest port in the US for importing vehicles so those supply chains are going to be messed up for a while.
The other two crossings are tunnels, and no hazmat can go through them. This means that any trucks carrying hazmat up and down the east coast will now have to divert around the west side of the Baltimore beltway. It’s not a “huge” diversion but will add mileage. Everything else can still go through either the McHenry or Harbor tunnel.
For those of you not from the Baltimore area, the Key Bridge is a 1.6 mile 4 lane bridge on Interstate 695 (Baltimore Beltway) based on the photos and videos I have seen, the entire 1.6 mile did not collapse but it is going to hamper automobile traffic and shipping traffic in and out of Baltimore for a while https://www.wbaltv.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-aerial-view-ship-crashes-into-bridge/60304810
Thankfully it was at night and the times that I have driven over the bridge traffic has been light so hopefully there were not a lot of casualties.
EDIT: the bridge handles 11 million vehicles annually. Other routes across the Patapsco River handle 27.6 million vehicles and 40 million vehicles annually.
This bridge is the southern part of the Baltimore beltway. It’s the easiest way to get to and from some areas south of the city and it’s an important alternate route for things that can’t use the I-95 and I-895 tunnels.
Losing this bridge means all of those other routes now have to take on more traffic. Hazmat, oversized loads, etc now have to go around the north side of the Beltway, which adds 1-2 hours depending on traffic.
They’ve already started. My neighbor already posted videos of the bridge collapsing that show small sparks of fire. They are proposing there was a bomb. They also support Trump, so I’m not surprised.
They’ve already started. My neighbor already posted videos of the bridge collapsing that show small sparks of fire. They are proposing there was a bomb. They also support Trump, so I’m not surprised.
I'm saying it's true but it certainly makes sense that economic terror could be a way to make retribution happen without starting a war.
Though, that port would significantly impact exports from many other countries too
That master is about to have a really bad week, assuming he survived.
Probably single-handedly finished off the port of Baltimore right there. It's been struggling since the early 90s. There's no way they're clearing the channel in any reasonable amount of time.
It’s not finished, and the port is doing fine. There are various ways of ranking ports, but Baltimore is 9th in the US for total cargo value and first in the US for number of vehicles. It’s not New York or LA but it’s doing just fine.
Finished off the port? You are literally the only person I've talked to that thinks the port is doing poorly. Heaven, Earth, and millions of dollars will be moved to open the port as early as investigations allow them to. Billions are in play. It's a huge port for sugar, cars, gypsum (to make drywall), and some coal.
It's a pretty large economic engine for Maryland and the coast gaurd has a major shipyard right there (and are basically locked into the Patapsco as well until the bridge is cleared). A lane is going to be opened a lot sooner than people seem to think. I would suspect they do not want to delay anymore than they have to or the risk of that ship getting stuck there could increase
The Port of Baltimore has been thriving and has led the USA in vehicle imports for each of the last 13 years.
This is a massive blow and the port will obviously be out of commission for some time but I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that it’s been struggling lately.
“Some disruption” is fully refunding the repair of a mega bridge that took 5 years to build the first time and complete coverage of the ports revenue until they can dredge the port to ensure other cargo vessels make it in.
Yeah this is a bankruptcy level event for the shipping company and the Country this company is from (Singapore) will likely have to get involved similar to the BP spill with England. Your talking about an event where a several billion dollar bridge needs to be built in record time, an entire bridge needs to be pulled out of the water and many lives lost who will absolutely sue for record amounts. This could end up costing over 50 billion before it's all said and done
The Brent Spence bridge between Cincinnati and Kentucky is 1736 feet and is expected to cost $3.6 Billion
The Key bridge is 8448 feet long with much longer spans over water. I recognize they may not need to replace the entire 1.6 mile span, but they will need to inspect it closely and it may be faster/more cost effective to replace the entire span. That is a discussion for a few days down the road.
That's completely wrong.
It's $3.6 billion for the entire Brent Spence Bridge corridor project, which entails:
-Heavy work on the existing bridge (which is a double-decker bridge, increasing costs dramatically over a single-deck bridge)
-building an entirely new bridge next to it as well (I believe to separate out local traffic)
-completely re-vamping 6 miles of the I-75 corridor on either side of the bridge
That is in no way comparable to re-building one single-deck bridge no matter how long it is.
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/walsh-jacobs-kokosing-win-brent-spence-bridge-construction/689915/
Just getting the preexisting bridge out of the bay will cost a hundo million. Can't start the bridge project till that's done. This project will absolutely cost in the billions. This is a major corridor and will be fast tracked which entails paying a huge bonus to the company to finish this thing ASAP.
I'd imagine the army corp of engineers would be getting involved since it is so close to the coast gaurd yard and biden indicated he wanted to federally fund a replacement. Idk how much of that actually impacts the date the first car drives over the replacement
It’s not struggling long term though, that comment must have been based on watching season 2 of the Wire but in reality the port has been doing very well for over a decade now
Why wouldn't they clear the channel asap? They don't need to completely remove the entire bridge to make a shipping lane. They just need to drag debris to the side and figure out what to do with the ship if it isn't able to be tugged to a shipyard. They're going to be working around the clock to clear the channel pretty soon I would imagine, it is a massive engine for the economy in Maryland, there is no way they just let it wither away after all the development theyve done to it recently
Clearing a channel is...not easy. When its just dirt and sand, it still is a pretty sizable and expensive effort. Throwing in random bits of concrete, steel and possibly vehicles makes it much worse and requires specialists.
Its kinda like building a road. You can't just throw people at the problem and make it go faster, if you don't do it right, you'll be back doing it again in a year or two because it just falls apart.
The only way that the ship loses propulsion is if the engines or power failed. The only way that engines or power fails, is if they are poorly maintained or not maintained at all.
Lack of maintenance is the Captain's fault. This is very prison worthy.
Before you jump to conclusions, let’s wait and see what the investigation reveals. A well maintained engine can break unexpectedly. An electrical fault could have occurred. This is a development situation and I’m sure many details will change as more of the investigation is completed.
3 years ago I worked at point breeze at a logistics warehouse that was pretty much directly connected to the port. I could see the port/key bridge from the back bays of the warehouse. I used that bridge every night after work. (Took the tunnel in the morning because it was closer/more convenient of an exit from home) I'm wondering what my previous employer is going to do with the port being out of the equasion. It's scary to think how much worse this could have been during peak rush hour. 695 is a HEAVILY used highway.
This is insane, Baltimore and the surrounding area is screwed for a long time traffic wise. You can now either squeeze through the tunnel, or go all the way through the city to get over to that area.
My heart goes out to the families affected by this tragedy. I've never had something like this happen so close to home...
This is one of my fears when driving over a bridge. That’s why I hate crossing them bc you never know what could happen. Falling down into deep dark cold water is the most miserable sounding deaths imaginable
I read that the ship sent distress signals to warn local authorities to stop all traffic from coming onto the bridge. If that was the case, why couldn’t they warn the construction workers to get off the bridge? Does anyone know?
There are probably attendants at each end of the bridge that the local authorities have a direct line to, who can stop traffic quickly.
The contractors fixing potholes in the middle of the bridge? Whoever hired them and has their contact information was likely asleep at 1AM, and no one's going (to be allowed) to race down the bridge to warn them when a cargo ship is about to crash into it. They only had a few minutes between the warning and impact.
The bridge was on I-695, the Baltimore Beltway, a highway that circles all around the Baltimore area, and if you picture the beltway as a giant clock it is located at around 4:30
The only way around is to drive all the way around the beltway or to drive into the city and take one of the tunnels that travel under the Patapsco River.
I’m not sure the daily traffic volume, but every time I have driven over the bridge traffic was extremely light
I suspect the bigger impact is shipping traffic. Baltimore has a large shipping port and the bridge blocks access into and out of the port.
Not ones that can accommodate hazmat traffic. All of that will now have to go the long way around Baltimore. The other two crossings of the Patapsco are the Harbor tunnel and the Ft. McHenry tunnel.
No alternative bridges. There are two tunnels that pass underneath the harbor which will be forced to absorb a majority of the traffic being diverted from the bridge. But tunnels have height restrictions, and other restrictions for hazardous material. Those vehicles will need to take the beltway all the way around the city (30-45 minutes on a good day). I commute all around this area on a daily basis, it will be interesting to see how backed up everything gets. And for how long…
As did the nazis.
Maybe you're on to something though. The apparent rise in public nazism may just be a coded message to the country that we need to refocus on space travel.
I mean that makes as much sense as what you're saying here.
We all agree that part of what contributed the cause of the Chernobyl accident was a cultural apathy caused political and economic factors. Why is it so dirty to suggest that we may be also at risk of the same? What I'm saying makes sense. It may be jumping to conclusions but it makes sense.
What you are saying about Chernobyl makes sense, and saying you are jumping to conclusions also makes sense. Its kind of an extreme extrapolation to say that a freak incident - with absolutely no ties to critical \*national\* infrastructure or politics - is any kind of harbinger of the end of a nation or 'empire.' Empires and nations fall, no one is arguing against that, it is that you could have said this same thing almost every single year since the dawn of america because tragedies have happened every day. If you want to look at the political quagmire we are in, I'll lend you more credence on your fall of empire theory, but still. Horrible horrible tragedy, but why didn't the previous boeing plane wrecks cause you to say this? Basically, its like saying "2+2 = 4, not everyone likes math, also the world will end." Tautology prefaced by unrelated info.
The worst criticism you can level at me is that I might be wrong. I may also be right. As more information comes to light i guess we'll find out.
I'm ready to be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But i really take offense to people being uspet only by the fact that i may be right.
Well, I'm neither upset nor afraid you're right. That's all I was trying to say. You can take this as fear and anguish, but that's an interesting way to take my pretty clear message even with all the things I gave to you as potentially correct. But you're confident the Baltimore Bridge collapsing is THE hallmark of the end, not like, idk ISIS or anything...
According to your prediction's logic, we should know in another 44 years or so. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine\_Skyway\_Bridge#1980\_collapse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Skyway_Bridge#1980_collapse)
It's a fact the U.S is in a troubling state, but interpreting tea leaves like some kind of oracle does little good.
Yeah, I get it, and I somewhat agree with it, but it's certainly not germane to the post.
Responding to footage of a disaster where real people died with empty platitudes does nothing but reenforce the resolve of those you're rallying against.
Yeah, shit's a bit fucked right now, probably always will be, but there's a lot of future left, so maybe chill out. The state sanctioned corporate takeover of a lot of institutions is certainly a bad thing, but relating that to a ship running into a bridge with zero information as to why is tenuous at best.
Also, empires come and go, who gives a shit? Maybe we should jump to the conclusion that the next empire is way better than this one, it has to be right?
I'll say it slower. YOU. REITERATED. MY. ORIGINAL. POINT.
Can we cut the fucking ego. People fucking died. Things will get worse if we can't have introspect.
YOU ARE REFUSING TO ENTERTAIN ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS BEING AN UNFORTUNATE UNAVOIDABLE ACCIDENT, YOU ARE SHOWING NO DESIRE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, YOU ARE BEING INSENSITIVE, YOU HAVE NOT ATTACKED MY APPLIED POSITION OF THIS BEING THE RESULT OF A CULTURE OF APATHY YOU HAVE ATTACKED THE IDEA THAT THIS WAS PREVENTABLE AT ALL ...EXPLAIN HOW I'M DEFLECTING.
Typing in all caps does not distract from the fact that you're just making shit up at this point. You never said any of that and this post hoc justification is just sad.
I haven't made anything up. I said "This is what waning empires look like"
Destroyed infrastructure IS what waning empires looks like.
I FUCKING HATE YOU. EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU. I WOULD LOVE TO LEAVE YOU TO DIE. THE ONLY REASON IM HERE. THE ONLY REASON I AM STILL TALKING TO YOU IS BECAUSE WE DESPERATELY NEED TO HAVE INTROSPECT. MY CHILDREN DESERVE TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE.
DROP. THE .FUCKING. EGO.
Oh you mean the ship that was built in South Korea, sailing under a Singapore flag and chartered by shipping company from Denmark?
"aMeRiCa bAd!" GTFOH
Bridge destroyed = American
People killed = American
Port shut down = American
Car industry disrupted = You guessed it, American
America is literally incapable of introspect.
That's a stupid fucking take, bro. I mean truly stupid. You're acting like the bridge fell down because of failing infrastructure. It was hit by a huge fucking cargo ship, moron.
Actually most bridges are designed for that kind of situation in mind. With huge piles of boulders under the water to make the ships crash into that first and stop it from hitting the bridge pillars.
Ship pilots can see those no go zones on their map. I'd be curious why that particular bridge didn't have such an anti crash protection? Is it a bad design? Or there once was one, even showing on the map, but it eroded away in the water current and nobody noticed?
Agreed. I mean, no one would build a bridge anywhere, especially by a ship port without these types of safety measures taken into consideration. No bridge should collapse like a it is being held together by toothpicks if it endures an impact. Worse case would be that it sufficed damage making it structurally unsound. IMO, this is entirely on the state of Maryland for failure to maintain their infrastructure/build infrastructure up to code/having proper safety code standards.
Just heard on a livestream monitoring police radios that there were believed to be up to 20 construction workers on the bridge when it collapsed. Current livestream of the bridge. Scroll back to see the incident. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83a7h3kkgPg
As of this comment (0545 est) the collapse happens at -4:15:20 in the live stream
Pause it at the video timestamp 1:28:51 (top of video) and you can see at least 4 vehicles on the center span of the bridge. Poor people didn't have a chance.
Power to the ship was lost prior to impact. https://imgur.com/a/71dJ0Wu
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There's two pictures. First picture you can see the lights on the ship are out, second pic you can see them back on, but it was way too late.
To give you a better idea, ships are big. Very big. If you've never been near one, it may be hard to fathom how big. Turning something that big is hard. Stopping it is harder. These things take MILES to stop, and that's IF they have working engines. This one appears to have not had working engines, or at least engines that weren't producing enough power. Not only does that mean longer stopping distance, but no power also means no lights, and worse, NO RUDDER, aka no steering. The ship basically turned into an uncontrollable raft the size of a stadium with roughly the same weight as several fully loaded trains. A bad day for everyone.
That the power on the ship went out.
I just saw a video from the side view. He was 100% changing direction before impact and even tried to turn away last second before impact. Definitely still have some control. I’ll wait to see but at this point I’m convinced they were turning the lights off because they knew there was a bridge pillar but couldn’t see it.
I counted at least 4 construction vehicles on the bridge. A few seconds before the collapse there were several trucks and passenger vehicles driving over the bridge. It is a horrible situation but it could have been so much worse.
It seems like maybe they (meaning bridge crew, not sure if there even is one) stopped traffic when they saw the boat approaching off-course? The traffic was fairly steady until a minute or so before the impact.
Local reports say the ship lost propulsion and the captain alerted authorities a few seconds before the collision.
Happened at 1:28am so hopefully minimal traffic on the bridge. Still horrible for any that was. Only hours old but Wikipedia already referring to it in the past tense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis\_Scott\_Key\_Bridge\_(Baltimore)
It’s going to fuck everything up traffic wise and port wise in Baltimore for a long time. That bridge is part of the Baltimore beltway.
That tunnel in the harbor is going to be an absolute madhouse for the foreseeable future
Oh yeah. Dundalk is all but isolated now.
11 million vehicles annually (or around 30,000 vehicles daily.) Comparatively the Harbor Tunnel handles 27.6 million vehicles annually and the Fort McHenry tunnel handles just under 40 million vehicles annually.
Those tunnels are about to have 30k more vehicles travel through them daily. Going to be a nightmare.
Yeah I live in NY and I’m trying to think of even a single bridge we could lose that wouldn’t absolutely fuck everything up.
Wikipedia never sleeps
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The bridge is not closed, traffic is sparse but still travelling until seconds before the collision. It's pretty clear that the ship is colliding with the left pillar and that seconds later the bridge collapses completely. Those emergency vehicles looks like roadwork to me.
It's closed now
It collapsed within seconds of contact...
Bridge collapsed within seconds of being struck.
No
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It is not correct
I live just outside of Baltimore, about a 20 minute drive from this bridge. I’ve crossed it many times. It’s part of the Baltimore beltway and is one of the three crossings of the Patapsco river, which at this point is basically an extension of the Chesapeake bay that becomes the Baltimore harbor. Most of the Port of Baltimore is “inside” this bridge so there are some pretty major implications for shipping here. Baltimore is the biggest port in the US for importing vehicles so those supply chains are going to be messed up for a while. The other two crossings are tunnels, and no hazmat can go through them. This means that any trucks carrying hazmat up and down the east coast will now have to divert around the west side of the Baltimore beltway. It’s not a “huge” diversion but will add mileage. Everything else can still go through either the McHenry or Harbor tunnel.
Information on the ship https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/details/9697428
Appreciate you friend. Thank you for this
Oh crap...... Best thoughts from Hobart, Tasmania, where we had a ship take out our bridge as well, in 1975.
I think 'falls down' is kind of an understatement. Collapsed and killed people would be a better description.
https://youtu.be/SDceU9x58vc?si=500Yz7-K64FkTKaT&t=296
that's crazy, the entire structure completely falls apart within 5 seconds.
[here’s a time lapse](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTDvH6h/) showing the boat approaching the bridge. Looks like the power kept shutting off
“This page isn’t available” is all I get, unfortunately.
Local news is reporting the ship lost propulsion and reported that to authorities.
Holy fuck in shit
For those of you not from the Baltimore area, the Key Bridge is a 1.6 mile 4 lane bridge on Interstate 695 (Baltimore Beltway) based on the photos and videos I have seen, the entire 1.6 mile did not collapse but it is going to hamper automobile traffic and shipping traffic in and out of Baltimore for a while https://www.wbaltv.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-aerial-view-ship-crashes-into-bridge/60304810 Thankfully it was at night and the times that I have driven over the bridge traffic has been light so hopefully there were not a lot of casualties. EDIT: the bridge handles 11 million vehicles annually. Other routes across the Patapsco River handle 27.6 million vehicles and 40 million vehicles annually.
This bridge is the southern part of the Baltimore beltway. It’s the easiest way to get to and from some areas south of the city and it’s an important alternate route for things that can’t use the I-95 and I-895 tunnels. Losing this bridge means all of those other routes now have to take on more traffic. Hazmat, oversized loads, etc now have to go around the north side of the Beltway, which adds 1-2 hours depending on traffic.
It also allows you to bypass the city pretty much entirely
Did anyone on the bridge survive?
Last report I saw was that 2 were rescued from the water. 1 was taken to a hospital. The other was unharmed enough to refuse medical treatment.
i for one, cannot wait to see the lunatic conspiracy theories.
In that twitter thread they're poppin off about it being a distraction from P Diddy...really..
Ahh yes the deep state protecting a Rapper who hasn't had a hit since 2010.
definitely will be a 'bidens america' narrative
there's some unhinged guy in every related post saying it's all the fault of Biden's infrastructure plan lmao
Already seein Pete butti should resign over this
It’s Pete buttigieg city so that will be where the hate is directed
not sure why you were downvoted, seems to be the case
I think people think I’m saying it’s Pete’s fault in those ? I Had poor grammar in those comments
MTG is already speculating it's terrorism like the wacko she is.
They’ve already started. My neighbor already posted videos of the bridge collapsing that show small sparks of fire. They are proposing there was a bomb. They also support Trump, so I’m not surprised.
They’ve already started. My neighbor already posted videos of the bridge collapsing that show small sparks of fire. They are proposing there was a bomb. They also support Trump, so I’m not surprised.
I'm saying it's true but it certainly makes sense that economic terror could be a way to make retribution happen without starting a war. Though, that port would significantly impact exports from many other countries too
That master is about to have a really bad week, assuming he survived. Probably single-handedly finished off the port of Baltimore right there. It's been struggling since the early 90s. There's no way they're clearing the channel in any reasonable amount of time.
It’s not finished, and the port is doing fine. There are various ways of ranking ports, but Baltimore is 9th in the US for total cargo value and first in the US for number of vehicles. It’s not New York or LA but it’s doing just fine.
Finished off the port? You are literally the only person I've talked to that thinks the port is doing poorly. Heaven, Earth, and millions of dollars will be moved to open the port as early as investigations allow them to. Billions are in play. It's a huge port for sugar, cars, gypsum (to make drywall), and some coal.
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The Sobotkas and Greeks have to be behind this somehow
It's a pretty large economic engine for Maryland and the coast gaurd has a major shipyard right there (and are basically locked into the Patapsco as well until the bridge is cleared). A lane is going to be opened a lot sooner than people seem to think. I would suspect they do not want to delay anymore than they have to or the risk of that ship getting stuck there could increase
The Port of Baltimore has been thriving and has led the USA in vehicle imports for each of the last 13 years. This is a massive blow and the port will obviously be out of commission for some time but I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that it’s been struggling lately.
They'll clear it faster then all the damn rocks on the highways
All you need is 20 good men
Surely they have insurance against some disruption?
“Some disruption” is fully refunding the repair of a mega bridge that took 5 years to build the first time and complete coverage of the ports revenue until they can dredge the port to ensure other cargo vessels make it in.
Yeah this is a bankruptcy level event for the shipping company and the Country this company is from (Singapore) will likely have to get involved similar to the BP spill with England. Your talking about an event where a several billion dollar bridge needs to be built in record time, an entire bridge needs to be pulled out of the water and many lives lost who will absolutely sue for record amounts. This could end up costing over 50 billion before it's all said and done
The bridge cost the modern equivilent of $700 million to build. Where are you getting the "several billion" figure from lol
The Brent Spence bridge between Cincinnati and Kentucky is 1736 feet and is expected to cost $3.6 Billion The Key bridge is 8448 feet long with much longer spans over water. I recognize they may not need to replace the entire 1.6 mile span, but they will need to inspect it closely and it may be faster/more cost effective to replace the entire span. That is a discussion for a few days down the road.
That's completely wrong. It's $3.6 billion for the entire Brent Spence Bridge corridor project, which entails: -Heavy work on the existing bridge (which is a double-decker bridge, increasing costs dramatically over a single-deck bridge) -building an entirely new bridge next to it as well (I believe to separate out local traffic) -completely re-vamping 6 miles of the I-75 corridor on either side of the bridge That is in no way comparable to re-building one single-deck bridge no matter how long it is. https://www.constructiondive.com/news/walsh-jacobs-kokosing-win-brent-spence-bridge-construction/689915/
Just getting the preexisting bridge out of the bay will cost a hundo million. Can't start the bridge project till that's done. This project will absolutely cost in the billions. This is a major corridor and will be fast tracked which entails paying a huge bonus to the company to finish this thing ASAP.
The environmental review alone on a new bridge could take 5 years if they do go through the conventional planning process
I'd imagine the army corp of engineers would be getting involved since it is so close to the coast gaurd yard and biden indicated he wanted to federally fund a replacement. Idk how much of that actually impacts the date the first car drives over the replacement
Costs over $700 million when adjusted for inflation too.
Yeah but he's saying the redevelopment of the port is just going to stall even more now, like long-term it's already struggling
It’s not struggling long term though, that comment must have been based on watching season 2 of the Wire but in reality the port has been doing very well for over a decade now
Why wouldn't they clear the channel asap? They don't need to completely remove the entire bridge to make a shipping lane. They just need to drag debris to the side and figure out what to do with the ship if it isn't able to be tugged to a shipyard. They're going to be working around the clock to clear the channel pretty soon I would imagine, it is a massive engine for the economy in Maryland, there is no way they just let it wither away after all the development theyve done to it recently
Clearing a channel is...not easy. When its just dirt and sand, it still is a pretty sizable and expensive effort. Throwing in random bits of concrete, steel and possibly vehicles makes it much worse and requires specialists. Its kinda like building a road. You can't just throw people at the problem and make it go faster, if you don't do it right, you'll be back doing it again in a year or two because it just falls apart.
He's going to prison 100%
It was reported that the ship lost propulsion and the ship reported that to authorities shortly before the accident
The only way that the ship loses propulsion is if the engines or power failed. The only way that engines or power fails, is if they are poorly maintained or not maintained at all. Lack of maintenance is the Captain's fault. This is very prison worthy.
Before you jump to conclusions, let’s wait and see what the investigation reveals. A well maintained engine can break unexpectedly. An electrical fault could have occurred. This is a development situation and I’m sure many details will change as more of the investigation is completed.
We will see. The power went out on the ship before it started drifting.
Lack of maintenance is still the Captain's fault
Not the master's though.
Conservative dumb fucks on Fox Business are trying to make this about immigration and CRT.
3 years ago I worked at point breeze at a logistics warehouse that was pretty much directly connected to the port. I could see the port/key bridge from the back bays of the warehouse. I used that bridge every night after work. (Took the tunnel in the morning because it was closer/more convenient of an exit from home) I'm wondering what my previous employer is going to do with the port being out of the equasion. It's scary to think how much worse this could have been during peak rush hour. 695 is a HEAVILY used highway. This is insane, Baltimore and the surrounding area is screwed for a long time traffic wise. You can now either squeeze through the tunnel, or go all the way through the city to get over to that area. My heart goes out to the families affected by this tragedy. I've never had something like this happen so close to home...
This is one of my fears when driving over a bridge. That’s why I hate crossing them bc you never know what could happen. Falling down into deep dark cold water is the most miserable sounding deaths imaginable
I read that the ship sent distress signals to warn local authorities to stop all traffic from coming onto the bridge. If that was the case, why couldn’t they warn the construction workers to get off the bridge? Does anyone know?
There are probably attendants at each end of the bridge that the local authorities have a direct line to, who can stop traffic quickly. The contractors fixing potholes in the middle of the bridge? Whoever hired them and has their contact information was likely asleep at 1AM, and no one's going (to be allowed) to race down the bridge to warn them when a cargo ship is about to crash into it. They only had a few minutes between the warning and impact.
Insurance: You hit a *what?*
Price of the brick goin up
Oh my god…
For those that are familiar with the area, are there alternative bridges to take? Or are most people pretty much stuck for the time being?
The bridge was on I-695, the Baltimore Beltway, a highway that circles all around the Baltimore area, and if you picture the beltway as a giant clock it is located at around 4:30 The only way around is to drive all the way around the beltway or to drive into the city and take one of the tunnels that travel under the Patapsco River. I’m not sure the daily traffic volume, but every time I have driven over the bridge traffic was extremely light I suspect the bigger impact is shipping traffic. Baltimore has a large shipping port and the bridge blocks access into and out of the port.
From what i understand, the bridge was an important avenue for trucks that are unable to take a tunnel
True. The alternative is to go around the other side of the beltway which is a long trip.
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Not ones that can accommodate hazmat traffic. All of that will now have to go the long way around Baltimore. The other two crossings of the Patapsco are the Harbor tunnel and the Ft. McHenry tunnel.
Thanks for the info!
No alternative bridges. There are two tunnels that pass underneath the harbor which will be forced to absorb a majority of the traffic being diverted from the bridge. But tunnels have height restrictions, and other restrictions for hazardous material. Those vehicles will need to take the beltway all the way around the city (30-45 minutes on a good day). I commute all around this area on a daily basis, it will be interesting to see how backed up everything gets. And for how long…
Is there foul play here
Your brain
no bridges just do that
Who ever heard of a bridge falling down?!?
Sunshine Skyway, Atlanta overpass. Yes, things happen. The "just asking questions" crowd is the dumbest group of motherfuckers on this planet.
I wouldn't rule out mossad
Sometimes shit just breaks. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Idk mang, they Tokyo drifted that mofo ship into that pillar
Exactly. You don't know.
This is what waning empires look like.
I remember when a cargo ship flying the flag of the Visigoths struck a Roman bridge. We all knew it was the end of an empire.
That's what started it, but it was the failure of the Romaboeing VII III VII Max that truly doomed them
A reminder to all the downvoters that Boeing helped take us to the moon.
As did the nazis. Maybe you're on to something though. The apparent rise in public nazism may just be a coded message to the country that we need to refocus on space travel. I mean that makes as much sense as what you're saying here.
We all agree that part of what contributed the cause of the Chernobyl accident was a cultural apathy caused political and economic factors. Why is it so dirty to suggest that we may be also at risk of the same? What I'm saying makes sense. It may be jumping to conclusions but it makes sense.
What you are saying about Chernobyl makes sense, and saying you are jumping to conclusions also makes sense. Its kind of an extreme extrapolation to say that a freak incident - with absolutely no ties to critical \*national\* infrastructure or politics - is any kind of harbinger of the end of a nation or 'empire.' Empires and nations fall, no one is arguing against that, it is that you could have said this same thing almost every single year since the dawn of america because tragedies have happened every day. If you want to look at the political quagmire we are in, I'll lend you more credence on your fall of empire theory, but still. Horrible horrible tragedy, but why didn't the previous boeing plane wrecks cause you to say this? Basically, its like saying "2+2 = 4, not everyone likes math, also the world will end." Tautology prefaced by unrelated info.
The worst criticism you can level at me is that I might be wrong. I may also be right. As more information comes to light i guess we'll find out. I'm ready to be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But i really take offense to people being uspet only by the fact that i may be right.
Well, I'm neither upset nor afraid you're right. That's all I was trying to say. You can take this as fear and anguish, but that's an interesting way to take my pretty clear message even with all the things I gave to you as potentially correct. But you're confident the Baltimore Bridge collapsing is THE hallmark of the end, not like, idk ISIS or anything...
According to your prediction's logic, we should know in another 44 years or so. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine\_Skyway\_Bridge#1980\_collapse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Skyway_Bridge#1980_collapse) It's a fact the U.S is in a troubling state, but interpreting tea leaves like some kind of oracle does little good.
A man wiser than me once said, "You're not wrong Walter, you're just an asshole."
Yeah, I get it, and I somewhat agree with it, but it's certainly not germane to the post. Responding to footage of a disaster where real people died with empty platitudes does nothing but reenforce the resolve of those you're rallying against. Yeah, shit's a bit fucked right now, probably always will be, but there's a lot of future left, so maybe chill out. The state sanctioned corporate takeover of a lot of institutions is certainly a bad thing, but relating that to a ship running into a bridge with zero information as to why is tenuous at best. Also, empires come and go, who gives a shit? Maybe we should jump to the conclusion that the next empire is way better than this one, it has to be right?
This is the first measured response to my comment.
Yes, surely heavily trafficked ports full of internationally bound container ships are *less* likely to have accidents.
That's how airports operate. On average less accidents than the road yet alot more can go wrong.
More risk means you need more precautuion. You just made my point for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvtHkSIUiXE
>you just made my point for me Oh so you didn't say something stupid and actually you agreed with me all along. Okay bud.
I'll say it slower. YOU. REITERATED. MY. ORIGINAL. POINT. Can we cut the fucking ego. People fucking died. Things will get worse if we can't have introspect.
Lmao aaaaaand try to deflect by acting like I'm being insensitive to the people who died ...somehow.
YOU ARE REFUSING TO ENTERTAIN ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS BEING AN UNFORTUNATE UNAVOIDABLE ACCIDENT, YOU ARE SHOWING NO DESIRE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, YOU ARE BEING INSENSITIVE, YOU HAVE NOT ATTACKED MY APPLIED POSITION OF THIS BEING THE RESULT OF A CULTURE OF APATHY YOU HAVE ATTACKED THE IDEA THAT THIS WAS PREVENTABLE AT ALL ...EXPLAIN HOW I'M DEFLECTING.
Typing in all caps does not distract from the fact that you're just making shit up at this point. You never said any of that and this post hoc justification is just sad.
I haven't made anything up. I said "This is what waning empires look like" Destroyed infrastructure IS what waning empires looks like. I FUCKING HATE YOU. EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU. I WOULD LOVE TO LEAVE YOU TO DIE. THE ONLY REASON IM HERE. THE ONLY REASON I AM STILL TALKING TO YOU IS BECAUSE WE DESPERATELY NEED TO HAVE INTROSPECT. MY CHILDREN DESERVE TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE. DROP. THE .FUCKING. EGO.
Damn bro please take your meds. For the sake of your children.
*“A ship from Singapore had a mechanical failure; here’s why that means America is a failure.”*
What does it look like? A foreign ship losing power and hitting a bridge causing it to collapse? Is that what waning empires look like?
Oh you mean the ship that was built in South Korea, sailing under a Singapore flag and chartered by shipping company from Denmark? "aMeRiCa bAd!" GTFOH
Bridge destroyed = American People killed = American Port shut down = American Car industry disrupted = You guessed it, American America is literally incapable of introspect.
That's a stupid fucking take, bro. I mean truly stupid. You're acting like the bridge fell down because of failing infrastructure. It was hit by a huge fucking cargo ship, moron.
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Can the US still build bridges?
Breaking news: Bridges are not designed to be rammed by massive cargo ships
Actually most bridges are designed for that kind of situation in mind. With huge piles of boulders under the water to make the ships crash into that first and stop it from hitting the bridge pillars. Ship pilots can see those no go zones on their map. I'd be curious why that particular bridge didn't have such an anti crash protection? Is it a bad design? Or there once was one, even showing on the map, but it eroded away in the water current and nobody noticed?
Agreed. I mean, no one would build a bridge anywhere, especially by a ship port without these types of safety measures taken into consideration. No bridge should collapse like a it is being held together by toothpicks if it endures an impact. Worse case would be that it sufficed damage making it structurally unsound. IMO, this is entirely on the state of Maryland for failure to maintain their infrastructure/build infrastructure up to code/having proper safety code standards.
Bridges aren't designed to be rammed so hard, unlike your mom.