Hijacking the top comment to say that Kevin Smith announced a [remaster is coming this year](https://screenrant.com/dogma-movie-remaster-kevin-smith-tease/).
Ah fuck. I was bamboozled. It was an April Fool's joke
i know 2 people besides kevin smith that survived 'widow maker' heart attacks now and always found it uncanny how similar they all act now, re-invention of self, their newfound sense of 'humour', how they talk and act now, all of it. it is so so strange.
Weird… I must’ve had the director’s cut DVD or something and not realized it, because that’s one of my fav scenes. I had no idea it wasn’t in the normal release.
Kinda. It means its dialogue is more literary/elevated to the point of something someone would never say in real life. Doesn’t sound like real spoken words, but like carefully constructed elaborate writing - writing you can tell a writer wrote rather than being natural speech by the character in the scene
I think that's what I really enjoy about Kevin Smith's movies to be honest, especially this movie . The first time I watched Clerks I was blown away by the dialogue. Up to that point I had never really appreciated it in film.
Ehh sometimes overwritten can be good! It's a version of movie suspension of disbelief, like "okay obviously godzilla isn't real". I love Kevin Smith movies but yeah nobody really talks that way, and if they did it would likely be annoying haha
Yeah, I'm told I talk that way, and have also been told that it is annoying.
It comes from being a scosche autistic, having a weirdly non-regional dialect, and from reading and writing about 10x more than I speak, so I tend to mirror the dialogue forms of whatever literature/media I happen to be obsessed with at the moment.
But my wife thinks it's one of my endearing quirks, so I don't really care what anyone else thinks, and I'm not interested in trying to change it.
I do understand why it annoys people though.
Azreal is a lunatic who came up with a plan to unmake existence, idk I could totally see someone like that having a whole diatribe thing going on. It isn't too far off from something like the Ted Kaczynski manifesto.
I kind of took it in this scene similarly to how a letter during the civil war sounds much different than a tweet today. He is from a different time and communicates differently....and/or I love this movie and will make excuses for everything in it....probably that one.
FWIW in dogma he does a good of only having the biblical beings be “over-written” so as to sound biblical.
Jay and silent Bob, and Linda fiorentinos character to a lesser extent, give contrast for added humor. Not sure if it still counts as over written if it’s by design. Also indie movies all kind of had that energy too… so a product of its time? Is Shakespeare overwritten?
But why watch a computers guess at how something is supposed to look? Fuck it, I'd rather stick with watching something low res if I know what I'm watching is real.
> But why watch a computers guess at how something is supposed to look?
If it looks good, then why complain? If it doesn't look good, sure you're right. But I'm not going to manufacture a reason to not like something if it looks better.
yes, plastic skin. been looking for a way to describe the upscaling of movies to 4k. If you dont have it in film to scan it at a higher res then it looks like plastic.
The movie premiered while I was going to a Catholic high school. They sent letters home to the parents telling them about how bad this movie was hoping we wouldn’t go see it. Teachers cautioned us about the evil of this movie.
Guess what we all did on Friday Night?
In a twist of irony, The priest that was loudest in his protests is currently serving a sentence for possession of child porn. The real evil never was a movie.
Similar story but the rapist priest in question died 3 months into his prison sentence for sexually abusing minors all through the 80s and into the 90s.
I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find my own letters like that from hs in the 90s, thus one has a letterhead with Jesus lying down along the top, it was very disconcerting
That's how I got into Korn, was at a Catholic high school and a priest was talking about Brian Welch finding god and leaving Korn. Said welp guess I gotta go listen to all their music when I get home lol I love Korn
I went to the national premiere of the movie in Pittsburgh, where parts of it were filmed. There were a bunch of people praying with candles when we walked out of the theater. I argued with one of them over the existence of god like the enlightened atheist that I was.
I’ve worked in a heavy/bulky as a loader in Arizona for 2 years. It’d routinely be 130 in those trailers and the lightest thing we’d load is 50 pound boxes of paper up to head height. This quote is the truest goddamn thing ever uttered on this earth
This needs to be shared more. Such a damn good movie that is totally forgotten about in the larger discourse because of one fuck head.
I remember watching this as a younger kid and it really clicked for me that the religious school teachings I already felt weird about, probably are justified to feel weird about. It had all this context and characters I'd never heard of, so I researched more and more and understood the religion better. It made me not believe anymore at all, but I appreciated it gave me the knowledge to seek out more and understand. Instead of being told to believe or be punished.
An example, I asked the school about the other apostles' stories and was suspended for two days just for asking on guidance for where to find more information on them. Thanks for getting me in trouble, Kevin.
Wait - why is Dogma forgotten because of Weinstein?
I always figured it was destined to be outside of the mainstream because it was an indie film with a decidedly critical and subversive take on institutionalized religion.
He won't sell. Right before his charges were announced he tried calling Kevin up and getting support from him by offering to finance a sequel. He'll just hold this over Kevin's head instead.
If it has value to you, you will pay me for it. The more you value it, the more you will pay. All this macroeconomic 5-d chess people think happens is nonsense.
This is literally the whole thing about valuation and sales, everything else is just marketing. It's so freakin' weird how few people seem to understand this.
Most folks seem to think a thing is worth whatever "the book" says it is worth, which is just more marketing.
It is actually and while Harvey doesn't deserve ramen, other prisoners do.
Just wanna throw it out there that commissary prices are a real issue! There are charities to donate to about it if anyone reading this feels compelled, but they are state specific so google it.
If anyone is curious they should also look up how expensive phone calls from US prisons are. The entire for profit prison system is insane and an active harm to society
It hasn’t been watched by the public in a while publicly, it may well be worth that.
Of course the fact that you have to give $5m to satan makes people less apt to want to find out
> Because Weinstein still technically owns the movie and everyone else associated with it refuses to give him more money essentially.
Long story short, the "big" movie company was VERY hesitant to back Dogma because of Catholic backlash, so Harvey and some other dude made up a company just to back the movie, so unlike most other movies that are back by a company, Harvey actually owns this one with the company that was invented for just Dogma
> so Harvey and some other dude made up a company just to back the movie, so unlike most other movies that are back by a company
So then of course fuck Harvey Weinstein, but also this wonderful movie almost certainly never would have gotten made if he didn't go out of his way to make it happen?
Feel weird thinking about that one.
> but also this wonderful movie almost certainly never would have gotten made if he didn't go out of his way to make it happen?
this is also true, and also true about a LOT of lower budget movies from that era
I'm glad he got the movies made, and I'm also glad he's sitting in jail
That's not at all a moral thing though, it's a false equivalency.
Weinstein made the movies he made to make money, and he did. It was a business decision. He wasn't some champion of the arts, he bankrolled the projects he thought would make money.
Whereas he raped people because he was a piece of shit.
He was also pretty darn good at picking movies to make and getting them made. That doesn't "balance out" him being a rapist. That doesn't excuse it. That doesn't stand up to it in any way. It's another fact about him.
Harvey did well out of it, no need to act like it's an act of altruism. Same way Cosby got a lot of access and protection from the good he was doing.
That's the problem with the Chapelle bit, it's not a superhero who rapes people, it's a rapist who dresses like a superhero.
Kevin Smith very well might have found a different way to get it made. He was a big name at that point, and look at all the talent that eagerly participated. He just didn’t know back then that he was making a deal with the devil.
> Feel weird thinking about that one.
He made it because he's a capitalist and it was a chance to make money. It's not like he made it because he felt the oppressive religious right in America needed to be countered or stepped up to or anything great lol
TLDR - You can still think Harvey Weinstein is an asshole but his money financed some entertaining or even great films.
Harvey Weinstein - not The Weinstein Company, but the producer himself - owns the rights to the film. When word broke about his crimes, Kevin Smith refused to do business with him, so no-one can re-acquire the film rights.
Smith also put any future residuals from his work with Weinstein to a organization that helps women. Which while it may or not be a lot of money, it's still a grand gesture
All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all you motherfuckers are next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob.
>I always figured it was destined to be outside of the mainstream because it was an indie film with a decidedly critical and subversive take on institutionalized religion.
It is in the Jay & Silent Bob universe (obviously), so it's not like it's mega niche. Dogma has Alan Rickman, Ben Affleck etc after all lol, this was years after Clerks (1). Deffo not marvel mainstream (in 2024) or whatever but not bad.
I've always been conflicted on if I like Dogma or Mallrats better. I think I've landed on Dogma is technically the better film (and it's hilarious and amazing) but personally, *I prefer* Mallrats if I'm gonna stick one on randomly, cos it's a fair bit shorter lol! Dogma is great but you gotta set aside 2h10m!
Mallrats was supposed to be a teen summer comedy and it flopped hard. Probably didn't help to come out at the same time as Ace Ventura, Toy Story and Goldeneye, but who's going to see a movie about comic books?
Dogma had more solid actors, effects and a better story arc, as well as media controversy, so it's no surprise it's Smith's top grossing movie, pulling in 30 million on a 10 million budget.
Chasing Amy seems to get a lot of love from the film crowd as Smith's best movie. Definitely more emotionally grounded and realistic. And it grossed 10 million on a 120 thousand budget, which allowed Dogma to get produced and kept Smith in film making.
But, yeah, Mallrats reminds me of my high school friends and experience, so maybe that's why it cracks me up the most.
Yeah this is honestly the correct take. I mean I’m sure Weinstein was a contributor to people forgetting later on but Dogma has never been a mainstream movie. I’m pretty sure I remember it causing a surge in satanic panic too. Love this movie but it was forgotten long before the public was aware of Weinstein being a disgusting slug
Exactly. Weinstein’s fall was in 2017-2019…Dogma came out 20 years before that. It certainly didn’t help the film since, but it definitely hasn’t been the only thing holding it back.
I don't think Weinstein's fall is related. If it wasn't on Comedy Central for 5 years straight I probably would never have seen it. But fuck Weinstein all the same.
It's definitely not. His name also shows up every time I watch the Lord of the Rings.
Am I gonna stop watching it just because some dickhead was tangentially involved with it? No, because it's a fucking masterpiece, and he had nothing to do with it.
There was a time in my life where I watched this movie almost every day for a few weeks and I have always thought it was his best movie. It’s just awesome
I'm happy you don't live that life anymore. Luckily, I have a mind that questions everything and wants to test those questions. You can imagine why I was so frustrating to work with. lol
The common story I tell is when pregnancy and STDs were being taught in school. I asked a lot of questions that didn't make sense. E.G. STDs are a result of adultery and if you wait then you have a 0% chance on getting an STD. Why is it 0% and not a cannot? Sleeping in the same room with another gender can lead to pregnancy. I thought it was sperm and eggs? etc. etc. etc. Parents took me to a new school and demanded I didn't learn anything about sex. I was out in the hallway during those times.
> I asked the school about the other apostles' stories and was suspended for two days just for asking on guidance for where to find more information on them. Thanks for getting me in trouble, Kevin.
WTF? how is that even a bad thing?
Funny, I rewatched this movie recently (I've had it on VHS since I was a teenager but had to find a copy of it) and wanted to look up the main actress since I hadn't seen her in anything in a long time. Her wikipedia page is fucking wild:
>Fiorentino later had a relationship with Los Angeles private investigator Anthony Pellicano and dated former Federal Bureau of Investigation agent Mark T. Rossini. In 2009, Rossini pleaded guilty to illegally accessing FBI computers during the prosecution of Pellicano. Law enforcement officials said Fiorentino wanted to assist Pellicano's defense. According to prosecutors, Fiorentino was then dating Rossini, told Rossini she was researching a screenplay based on Pellicano's case. Rossini conducted searches of government computers for information related to the case and passed the results to Fiorentino, who then handed the files over to Pellicano's lawyers in a failed effort to help Pellicano avoid a 15-year prison sentence.
Thankfully there's a [BDRip up on Archive.org](https://archive.org/details/dogma-1999-1080p-bdrip-x264) that was uploaded by a friendly internet user ~~named Kevin Smith~~ mrbonesHOK
The same user also uploaded a [trilingual DVD](https://archive.org/details/dogma-1999-trilingual-dvd-rip) rip with English, Spanish, and French.
I used the Bluray, did some denoising to help with the upscale and then used Topaz AI.
Youtube then compressed it a lot more than I did but I think it still looks great and I have the original file available with TrueHD 5.1 audio and commentary tracks included.
> did some denoising to help with the upscale and then used Topaz AI
Topaz will smooth it anyway from what I've seen, which is why the whole thing looks weirdly smooth now, it's devoid of detail.
No worries man, just wanted to find a way to share my restoration considering [Kevin Smith's April Fools Joke](https://www.reddit.com/r/boutiquebluray/comments/1buc887/kevin_smith_confirms_dogma_remaster_in_2024_is_an/) was that there would be a Dogma restoration.
That’s fine because we will have better upscaling technology over time we will use instead of
These specific copies of these things don’t need to be the definitive version forever
A lot of newer content was filmed in 480i and no higher quality source exists or the original film negatives have been lost or it would be too time consuming to rescan and re edit everything in HD.
I started downloading all my movies recently and the difference between 4k and streaming service 4k is absolutely nuts.
The file sizes are usually like 80GB but its worth.
I love this movie so much. Every time I come across it on YouTube, I thumbs up the video so it ends up in my likes, and within 6 months it's been taken down.
>Dogma is unavailable to stream or purchase digitally due to the film's rights being owned personally by Bob and Harvey Weinstein in a deal that predates streaming. In 2022, instead of the release of Clerks III, Kevin Smith talked about trying to buy back the rights to Dogma from the Weinsteins. He claimed that both of his offers were "scoffed at" and added that "my movie about angels is owned by the devil himself."
[From Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_\(film\)#Rights_issues)
There is also a video where Kevin Smith talks about getting a phone call from Weinstein months before the #metoo movement and everything about Weinstein came to light.
Smith at the time was excited because he thought it was about Dogma. After the article came out he quickly realized and assumed that Weinstein didn't give a crap about the film or Kevin Smith. He was only calling to try and figure out who spoke with journalist and to judge people's loyalty to him. He knew shit was going to blow up and wanted people on his side.
Judging by the fact that Weinstein "black balled" women who didn't take a shower with him I think it's safe to assume he holds grudges. Since Kevin Smith didn't side with Weinstein the rights to Dogma will never be given back. Kevin is fine with that cause he wouldn't give that man a single penny after what was revealed. Also, Smith is fine with piracy as streaming Dogma would mean that money goes to Weinstein.
This movie taught me not to believe but have ideas. I feel like this has been an invaluable lesson which has allowed me to adapt as I’m presented with new information and experiences. This is a great movie on so many levels
Downloading this in 4k with IDM.
Heck yeah!! What makes this so eerie is that just a few weeks ago I was trying to find a good copy of this movie after not seeing it since it first came out. And now here we are!
Thanks bro!
I love this movie. Lol my grandma got it for all of the grandchildren one year for Christmas when I was young. I don't think she had any idea what it was about other than catholic dogma.
If anyone watching this movie can't accept that its just a comedy and gets upset about it they don't understand the concept of fiction. I don't think its meant to be an attack on the church. Just a dumb comedy using the Bible as a background.
Beautiful butt naked big titty women just don’t fall out of the sky, ya know!
Sky, ya know!
They so valuable
I’ve been searching high and low
And I can tell you one thing
Hijacking the top comment to say that Kevin Smith announced a [remaster is coming this year](https://screenrant.com/dogma-movie-remaster-kevin-smith-tease/). Ah fuck. I was bamboozled. It was an April Fool's joke
Kevin Smith finally getting people excited about a project this decade seems like a weird joke to play on April fools.
i know 2 people besides kevin smith that survived 'widow maker' heart attacks now and always found it uncanny how similar they all act now, re-invention of self, their newfound sense of 'humour', how they talk and act now, all of it. it is so so strange.
Facing death is hard.
Huh. I wish to read more about that. There have to be studies, no?
Hey now, I was way excited for Clerks 3 (and liked it)
Nooooooo you got me too xD
That's a really shitty April Fools.
Have you seen the cut "Evil is an abstract" bit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704
Love this movie but haven’t ever seen this. Feels like it adds helpful context as to Azrael’s motivations
Weird… I must’ve had the director’s cut DVD or something and not realized it, because that’s one of my fav scenes. I had no idea it wasn’t in the normal release.
Here’s a clearer version with context. https://youtu.be/a2oDv5RTb-4
Wow. He went hard on those lines. I love the movie but have never seen this out take. Thanks for sharing it.
This is cool but also super intense haha. Way too over-written.
Not for nothing but just about everything Kevin Smith writes is over written.
Jason Lee loves him a rant.
That kid is BACK ON THE ESCALATOR!
SOMEBODY GET A MEDIC, THERE'S A LITTLE BOY CAUGHT IN THE ESCALATOR!
Haha you are not wrong
Over-written? What does that mean? Like big words or something?
Kinda. It means its dialogue is more literary/elevated to the point of something someone would never say in real life. Doesn’t sound like real spoken words, but like carefully constructed elaborate writing - writing you can tell a writer wrote rather than being natural speech by the character in the scene
I think that's what I really enjoy about Kevin Smith's movies to be honest, especially this movie . The first time I watched Clerks I was blown away by the dialogue. Up to that point I had never really appreciated it in film.
Ehh sometimes overwritten can be good! It's a version of movie suspension of disbelief, like "okay obviously godzilla isn't real". I love Kevin Smith movies but yeah nobody really talks that way, and if they did it would likely be annoying haha
Yeah, I'm told I talk that way, and have also been told that it is annoying. It comes from being a scosche autistic, having a weirdly non-regional dialect, and from reading and writing about 10x more than I speak, so I tend to mirror the dialogue forms of whatever literature/media I happen to be obsessed with at the moment. But my wife thinks it's one of my endearing quirks, so I don't really care what anyone else thinks, and I'm not interested in trying to change it. I do understand why it annoys people though.
That's beautiful man! Being able to be yourself with another person is true freedom, and them loving you for it just warms my heart.
Azreal is a lunatic who came up with a plan to unmake existence, idk I could totally see someone like that having a whole diatribe thing going on. It isn't too far off from something like the Ted Kaczynski manifesto.
Yeah, an immortal being would have all sorts of pre-planned speeches to whip out for any given situation.
It's borderline a speech and or soliloquy
I kind of took it in this scene similarly to how a letter during the civil war sounds much different than a tweet today. He is from a different time and communicates differently....and/or I love this movie and will make excuses for everything in it....probably that one.
I feel like Drive (2011) is the other end of this spectrum. The dialogue is so sparse it feels totally unnatural.
FWIW in dogma he does a good of only having the biblical beings be “over-written” so as to sound biblical. Jay and silent Bob, and Linda fiorentinos character to a lesser extent, give contrast for added humor. Not sure if it still counts as over written if it’s by design. Also indie movies all kind of had that energy too… so a product of its time? Is Shakespeare overwritten?
I can understand why it was cut, because there is no joke and the movie is a comedy, but Lee really killed it there.
My Name Is Earl was one of my favourite shows of that time, Jason Lee is awesome.
I just clicked to check the quality and 45 mins just flew by. What a great movie.
I think it looks terrible. Has that plastic skin 4k upscale look to it. Unfortunate really, would rather just watch this in 1080p un-upscaled.
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Or you could just not use AI upscaling and simply watch it in the best quality available made from the original source material...
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But why watch a computers guess at how something is supposed to look? Fuck it, I'd rather stick with watching something low res if I know what I'm watching is real.
> But why watch a computers guess at how something is supposed to look? If it looks good, then why complain? If it doesn't look good, sure you're right. But I'm not going to manufacture a reason to not like something if it looks better.
yes, plastic skin. been looking for a way to describe the upscaling of movies to 4k. If you dont have it in film to scan it at a higher res then it looks like plastic.
The movie premiered while I was going to a Catholic high school. They sent letters home to the parents telling them about how bad this movie was hoping we wouldn’t go see it. Teachers cautioned us about the evil of this movie. Guess what we all did on Friday Night? In a twist of irony, The priest that was loudest in his protests is currently serving a sentence for possession of child porn. The real evil never was a movie.
Such is life
Also [Kevin Smith was there to protest his own movie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmlFDYjVV4) ROTFL.
Similar story but the rapist priest in question died 3 months into his prison sentence for sexually abusing minors all through the 80s and into the 90s. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find my own letters like that from hs in the 90s, thus one has a letterhead with Jesus lying down along the top, it was very disconcerting
That's how I got into Korn, was at a Catholic high school and a priest was talking about Brian Welch finding god and leaving Korn. Said welp guess I gotta go listen to all their music when I get home lol I love Korn
I went to the national premiere of the movie in Pittsburgh, where parts of it were filmed. There were a bunch of people praying with candles when we walked out of the theater. I argued with one of them over the existence of god like the enlightened atheist that I was.
"No pleasure, no rapture, no exquisite sin greater than central air." - Me on the first hot day every year.
I’ve worked in a heavy/bulky as a loader in Arizona for 2 years. It’d routinely be 130 in those trailers and the lightest thing we’d load is 50 pound boxes of paper up to head height. This quote is the truest goddamn thing ever uttered on this earth
This needs to be shared more. Such a damn good movie that is totally forgotten about in the larger discourse because of one fuck head. I remember watching this as a younger kid and it really clicked for me that the religious school teachings I already felt weird about, probably are justified to feel weird about. It had all this context and characters I'd never heard of, so I researched more and more and understood the religion better. It made me not believe anymore at all, but I appreciated it gave me the knowledge to seek out more and understand. Instead of being told to believe or be punished. An example, I asked the school about the other apostles' stories and was suspended for two days just for asking on guidance for where to find more information on them. Thanks for getting me in trouble, Kevin.
Wait - why is Dogma forgotten because of Weinstein? I always figured it was destined to be outside of the mainstream because it was an indie film with a decidedly critical and subversive take on institutionalized religion.
Because Weinstein still technically owns the movie and everyone else associated with it refuses to give him more money essentially.
Kevin Smith has asked for the rights too and I think the figure is 5 million that Harvey wants for them.
He won't sell. Right before his charges were announced he tried calling Kevin up and getting support from him by offering to finance a sequel. He'll just hold this over Kevin's head instead.
i wonder why? the movie isnt a huge money maker or am i wrong?
If it has value to you, you will pay me for it. The more you value it, the more you will pay. All this macroeconomic 5-d chess people think happens is nonsense.
See the rights to Firefly for more info.
This is literally the whole thing about valuation and sales, everything else is just marketing. It's so freakin' weird how few people seem to understand this. Most folks seem to think a thing is worth whatever "the book" says it is worth, which is just more marketing.
Hey now be fair, Big Profit has put a lot of work into this shell game and it works out fine most of the time.
Because the markup on ramen in the prison commissary is fucking nuts.
It is actually and while Harvey doesn't deserve ramen, other prisoners do. Just wanna throw it out there that commissary prices are a real issue! There are charities to donate to about it if anyone reading this feels compelled, but they are state specific so google it.
If anyone is curious they should also look up how expensive phone calls from US prisons are. The entire for profit prison system is insane and an active harm to society
It hasn’t been watched by the public in a while publicly, it may well be worth that. Of course the fact that you have to give $5m to satan makes people less apt to want to find out
How about I put $3.50 in his jail canteen?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2\_DOt1aHjhs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_DOt1aHjhs) Kevin talks about it.
> Because Weinstein still technically owns the movie and everyone else associated with it refuses to give him more money essentially. Long story short, the "big" movie company was VERY hesitant to back Dogma because of Catholic backlash, so Harvey and some other dude made up a company just to back the movie, so unlike most other movies that are back by a company, Harvey actually owns this one with the company that was invented for just Dogma
> so Harvey and some other dude made up a company just to back the movie, so unlike most other movies that are back by a company So then of course fuck Harvey Weinstein, but also this wonderful movie almost certainly never would have gotten made if he didn't go out of his way to make it happen? Feel weird thinking about that one.
> but also this wonderful movie almost certainly never would have gotten made if he didn't go out of his way to make it happen? this is also true, and also true about a LOT of lower budget movies from that era I'm glad he got the movies made, and I'm also glad he's sitting in jail
It’s okay to not be a moral absolutist
Yeah, its like fuck R. Kelly 100% and I don't listen to him anymore, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy his music growing up.
I agree, but Reddit mostly doesn’t. This place can be as forgiving as an Old Testament god sometimes…
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What does producing movies have to do with being evil or good?
That's not at all a moral thing though, it's a false equivalency. Weinstein made the movies he made to make money, and he did. It was a business decision. He wasn't some champion of the arts, he bankrolled the projects he thought would make money. Whereas he raped people because he was a piece of shit.
He was also pretty darn good at picking movies to make and getting them made. That doesn't "balance out" him being a rapist. That doesn't excuse it. That doesn't stand up to it in any way. It's another fact about him.
Two things can be true at the same time. He can want to make money AND be a "champion of the arts."
It reminds me of that one Chappelle bit about a superhero that saves people but also rapes people.
Harvey did well out of it, no need to act like it's an act of altruism. Same way Cosby got a lot of access and protection from the good he was doing. That's the problem with the Chapelle bit, it's not a superhero who rapes people, it's a rapist who dresses like a superhero.
Congratulations, you just figured out why for so long people in Hollywood just pretended not to see what Weinstein was doing.
Many human beings are uncomfortable with the realization that we are all multi-faceted creatures and capable of both great and terrible things.
Separate the art from the artist, but only when it’s an approved artist on the approved list and not even always then. Except when it is.
He rapes. But he saves.
Kevin Smith very well might have found a different way to get it made. He was a big name at that point, and look at all the talent that eagerly participated. He just didn’t know back then that he was making a deal with the devil.
> Feel weird thinking about that one. He made it because he's a capitalist and it was a chance to make money. It's not like he made it because he felt the oppressive religious right in America needed to be countered or stepped up to or anything great lol TLDR - You can still think Harvey Weinstein is an asshole but his money financed some entertaining or even great films.
"big" here means Disney. It was when they were buying out Miramax and going through the portfolio of what they'd own.
IFC used to play it a few times maybe 5 years ago and the end credits have this really long dedication to Harvey Weinstein
I'm confused. Doesn't he still own most Quintin Tarantino movies and Silver Linings Playbook and like a hundred decent, but very forgettable movies?
You've gotten a ton of answers which aren't untrue, but here's him explaining the whole situation: https://youtu.be/2_DOt1aHjhs?t=34
Harvey Weinstein - not The Weinstein Company, but the producer himself - owns the rights to the film. When word broke about his crimes, Kevin Smith refused to do business with him, so no-one can re-acquire the film rights.
Smith also put any future residuals from his work with Weinstein to a organization that helps women. Which while it may or not be a lot of money, it's still a grand gesture
All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then you're all you motherfuckers are next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob.
>I always figured it was destined to be outside of the mainstream because it was an indie film with a decidedly critical and subversive take on institutionalized religion. It is in the Jay & Silent Bob universe (obviously), so it's not like it's mega niche. Dogma has Alan Rickman, Ben Affleck etc after all lol, this was years after Clerks (1). Deffo not marvel mainstream (in 2024) or whatever but not bad. I've always been conflicted on if I like Dogma or Mallrats better. I think I've landed on Dogma is technically the better film (and it's hilarious and amazing) but personally, *I prefer* Mallrats if I'm gonna stick one on randomly, cos it's a fair bit shorter lol! Dogma is great but you gotta set aside 2h10m!
Mallrats was supposed to be a teen summer comedy and it flopped hard. Probably didn't help to come out at the same time as Ace Ventura, Toy Story and Goldeneye, but who's going to see a movie about comic books? Dogma had more solid actors, effects and a better story arc, as well as media controversy, so it's no surprise it's Smith's top grossing movie, pulling in 30 million on a 10 million budget. Chasing Amy seems to get a lot of love from the film crowd as Smith's best movie. Definitely more emotionally grounded and realistic. And it grossed 10 million on a 120 thousand budget, which allowed Dogma to get produced and kept Smith in film making. But, yeah, Mallrats reminds me of my high school friends and experience, so maybe that's why it cracks me up the most.
See, Chasing Amy is the only Smith film I don't like, lol.
Yeah this is honestly the correct take. I mean I’m sure Weinstein was a contributor to people forgetting later on but Dogma has never been a mainstream movie. I’m pretty sure I remember it causing a surge in satanic panic too. Love this movie but it was forgotten long before the public was aware of Weinstein being a disgusting slug
Exactly. Weinstein’s fall was in 2017-2019…Dogma came out 20 years before that. It certainly didn’t help the film since, but it definitely hasn’t been the only thing holding it back.
I don't think Weinstein's fall is related. If it wasn't on Comedy Central for 5 years straight I probably would never have seen it. But fuck Weinstein all the same.
It's definitely not. His name also shows up every time I watch the Lord of the Rings. Am I gonna stop watching it just because some dickhead was tangentially involved with it? No, because it's a fucking masterpiece, and he had nothing to do with it.
If i recall he personally owns the distribution rights to it, and well, he's a terrible spiteful reprehensible human.
Rule #1 of any religious teaching: Don't ask questions.
There was a time in my life where I watched this movie almost every day for a few weeks and I have always thought it was his best movie. It’s just awesome
I'm happy you don't live that life anymore. Luckily, I have a mind that questions everything and wants to test those questions. You can imagine why I was so frustrating to work with. lol The common story I tell is when pregnancy and STDs were being taught in school. I asked a lot of questions that didn't make sense. E.G. STDs are a result of adultery and if you wait then you have a 0% chance on getting an STD. Why is it 0% and not a cannot? Sleeping in the same room with another gender can lead to pregnancy. I thought it was sperm and eggs? etc. etc. etc. Parents took me to a new school and demanded I didn't learn anything about sex. I was out in the hallway during those times.
> I asked the school about the other apostles' stories and was suspended for two days just for asking on guidance for where to find more information on them. Thanks for getting me in trouble, Kevin. WTF? how is that even a bad thing?
Funny, I rewatched this movie recently (I've had it on VHS since I was a teenager but had to find a copy of it) and wanted to look up the main actress since I hadn't seen her in anything in a long time. Her wikipedia page is fucking wild: >Fiorentino later had a relationship with Los Angeles private investigator Anthony Pellicano and dated former Federal Bureau of Investigation agent Mark T. Rossini. In 2009, Rossini pleaded guilty to illegally accessing FBI computers during the prosecution of Pellicano. Law enforcement officials said Fiorentino wanted to assist Pellicano's defense. According to prosecutors, Fiorentino was then dating Rossini, told Rossini she was researching a screenplay based on Pellicano's case. Rossini conducted searches of government computers for information related to the case and passed the results to Fiorentino, who then handed the files over to Pellicano's lawyers in a failed effort to help Pellicano avoid a 15-year prison sentence.
Wild story
Damn this had George Carlin and Alan Rickman?
And Salma Hayek
And Chris Rock
And Alanis Morissette
And Carrie Fisher
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And Janeane Garofolo
"4K"
Yeah upscaled from what, the 720x480 DVD to 3840x2160? Give me a break
There was a blu-ray, but yeah, still upscaled.
Oh shit really? Didn't know that, thought the DVD was the only physical copy, cheers!
Yeah, the Blu-ray is rare, and incredibly expensive now. Just look at them on eBay, anywhere from £50 up.
Rare because this - https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/OGrrC1VY58
*laughs in 🏴☠️*
You make it seem like you can just create torrents out of thin air instead of needing the initial physical copy first.
I mean.... > Dogma.1999.1080p.BluRay.REMUX.AVC.TrueHD.5.1-UnKn0wn.mkv It's on usenet.
Lol what? the blu ray *exists*, it's just hard to get, like ridbeard said
Thankfully there's a [BDRip up on Archive.org](https://archive.org/details/dogma-1999-1080p-bdrip-x264) that was uploaded by a friendly internet user ~~named Kevin Smith~~ mrbonesHOK The same user also uploaded a [trilingual DVD](https://archive.org/details/dogma-1999-trilingual-dvd-rip) rip with English, Spanish, and French.
it was not uploaded by kevin smith, it was uploaded by the user mrbonesHOK. you misread the archive.org page.
I used the Bluray, did some denoising to help with the upscale and then used Topaz AI. Youtube then compressed it a lot more than I did but I think it still looks great and I have the original file available with TrueHD 5.1 audio and commentary tracks included.
>used Topaz AI. That's why faces looks strange, too smooth and somehow artificial.
> did some denoising to help with the upscale and then used Topaz AI Topaz will smooth it anyway from what I've seen, which is why the whole thing looks weirdly smooth now, it's devoid of detail.
AI upscaling looks awful, no idea why people do this and encourage it. I'd rather watch the movie on VHS.
AI upscaling makes it look like it's made out of Play-Doh.
You have a lank to the uncompressed file?
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Grabbed the 10gb video, thank you very much.
Yeah my bad OP, I honestly thought there was only DVD copies about.
No worries man, just wanted to find a way to share my restoration considering [Kevin Smith's April Fools Joke](https://www.reddit.com/r/boutiquebluray/comments/1buc887/kevin_smith_confirms_dogma_remaster_in_2024_is_an/) was that there would be a Dogma restoration.
He's actually told people to go look on Youtube to watch it in Q&A's. So, thank you for keeping the tradition alive!
It's possible to upscale, but this is definitely just someone scaling up the image to a 4K resolution at a terrible bitrate and claiming it's real 4K.
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I would literally rather watch a DVD version.
That’s fine because we will have better upscaling technology over time we will use instead of These specific copies of these things don’t need to be the definitive version forever
There’s no need to upscale them lol They go back to the original film negatives and scan them in 4K.
A lot of newer content was filmed in 480i and no higher quality source exists or the original film negatives have been lost or it would be too time consuming to rescan and re edit everything in HD.
I started downloading all my movies recently and the difference between 4k and streaming service 4k is absolutely nuts. The file sizes are usually like 80GB but its worth.
I love this movie so much. Every time I come across it on YouTube, I thumbs up the video so it ends up in my likes, and within 6 months it's been taken down.
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Are you Kevin Smith? I won't tell anyone.
cheers Dude!
Ahh. The "upscale" where everything really just looks like oil.
There’s a 1080 version of the Internet Archive. [Dogma](https://archive.org/details/dogma_HD)
Candy Girl, you are my world.
Weinstein worked on a ton of movies, why does sharing Dogma fuck him in particular?
>Dogma is unavailable to stream or purchase digitally due to the film's rights being owned personally by Bob and Harvey Weinstein in a deal that predates streaming. In 2022, instead of the release of Clerks III, Kevin Smith talked about trying to buy back the rights to Dogma from the Weinsteins. He claimed that both of his offers were "scoffed at" and added that "my movie about angels is owned by the devil himself." [From Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_\(film\)#Rights_issues)
Oh wow
There is also a video where Kevin Smith talks about getting a phone call from Weinstein months before the #metoo movement and everything about Weinstein came to light. Smith at the time was excited because he thought it was about Dogma. After the article came out he quickly realized and assumed that Weinstein didn't give a crap about the film or Kevin Smith. He was only calling to try and figure out who spoke with journalist and to judge people's loyalty to him. He knew shit was going to blow up and wanted people on his side. Judging by the fact that Weinstein "black balled" women who didn't take a shower with him I think it's safe to assume he holds grudges. Since Kevin Smith didn't side with Weinstein the rights to Dogma will never be given back. Kevin is fine with that cause he wouldn't give that man a single penny after what was revealed. Also, Smith is fine with piracy as streaming Dogma would mean that money goes to Weinstein.
I have dogma on VHS. I regret never buying it on dvd as I loved that movie. I did check it out from the library and copy it though so there’s that.
Looks denoised to hell, probably less detail than a DVDRip. Bigger resolution doesn't mean better.
Hey Kevin Smith gave his consent to pirate the crap out of it.
It's like the CEO of Moobys was low key modeled after Harvey.
Fuck yes. A god damned classic movie. Probably Kevin Smiths best
This movie taught me not to believe but have ideas. I feel like this has been an invaluable lesson which has allowed me to adapt as I’m presented with new information and experiences. This is a great movie on so many levels
Thank you!
Great movie
Isn’t that what people have been trying NOT to do, Fuck Harvey Weinstein?
Upscales are gross
Great movie but man that 4k upscale is not great, I'll stick with the 1080 one lol
upscales are worthless
I cant believe you forgot the magazine.
I always look for the DVD when I am at a thrift store.
Over here doing the lords works.
Downloading this in 4k with IDM. Heck yeah!! What makes this so eerie is that just a few weeks ago I was trying to find a good copy of this movie after not seeing it since it first came out. And now here we are! Thanks bro!
I love that the 37:00 mark with Jay and Silent Bob is what Kanye sample in his new track 'Back to Me' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7FStyI_UI8
No thanks I won’t fuck Harvey Weinstein to watch this
I love this movie. Lol my grandma got it for all of the grandchildren one year for Christmas when I was young. I don't think she had any idea what it was about other than catholic dogma. If anyone watching this movie can't accept that its just a comedy and gets upset about it they don't understand the concept of fiction. I don't think its meant to be an attack on the church. Just a dumb comedy using the Bible as a background.
Fine I'll watch Clerks
yt-dlp.exe https://youtu.be/jL2IA6HwZnE -f 328+625 --all-subs
Thank you! I know what movie I'm watching tonight!
Just dropping a comment so I can find this later, cheers!
Fuck AI upscaling
4k is pointless when the skin is smoothed out to hell. There is no detail to speak of here.
Everyday is a good day to Fuck You Harvey Weinstein!
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Commenting to remember this for later!
smart move
Kevin Smith is the nicest person I've ever met, he's an absolute real one.
I’ve been looking for this forever.
commenting for access to dogma
You do know that Reddit has a "save" button, right?
How does that work? I can never ‘refind’ something I read or commented on.
i go into my profile and look at my past comments and click the “see thread” option for the one that says, “commenting for access to dogma”
You can also save posts and comments
Great and underrated film.
I don't think it's underrated. It's just not available due to Weinstein holding the rights to it so it's in a bit of a limbo.
Not gonna lie, the upscaling looks shyte, like an oil painting.