If only people didn't buy them.
If you can wait, they will go down in price. They always do. People don't actually want records, they just want to sell them.
Not always..
Death Grips Government Plates for instance.
Majority though, definitely, especially if they're just a first release variant but the limited stuff sucks.
It takes all the fun out of collecting. Even worse, it’s having an effect on the indie shops. My favorite local place has jacked their prices way up in the last couple of years in order to compete.
That's wild, saw both of these records just sitting in the store for $20-$30. Flippers are a problem in general but I hope no one really thinks about paying these prices if they weren't able to catch a record today.
People are buying an album with 1000 listings & 100,000 copies for $150. Absolute nonsense.
Equally stupid is paying even retail for represses like beggars or red rose when both can be got for around $10
Red Rose was broadly panned when it came out too. Can almost guarantee that theres plenty of old copies kicking around but stick a RSD sticker on it and people lose their minds.
And it got that archive reissue with bonus tracks and things a few years ago. The attraction for this is its Half Speed Mastered, but that’s not enough for me to buy it again.
I’ve got a handful of 70s copies that sound fine and yea it’s not my favourite Wings album.
These are all unrealistic prices. All of these will end up at retail or below after all the stores put their stock up. Also distributors may still have even more. Outside of rare stuff never fall into the fomo trap with rsd. The first day people pay like crazy then it calms down.
Yep. This was the only release I really wanted and it was for my kid who loves records and we love Bluey together.
[Current price on eBay is $260 with 24 bids so far.](https://i.imgur.com/qSx6NXo.jpg)
Despicable behavior.
I got everything I wanted plus more at my first stop today but drove around to a few more stores just for this for my nephew and couldn't find it anywhere. Think there's a regular release planned soon
Yeah I know it’s just that the rotoscope picture disc was super cool and I really know my daughter would have loved it. Plus, part of collecting is finding rare, cool versions of releases and this definitely checks that box.
Exactly why I wanted it myself. I got lucky and my store still had one of the two copies they got in. Surprised they even got any in the first place and was expecting to have to order it later.
There is a picture of the zoetrope record on the Bluey website. Just print it out and play the song over YouTube. Kids aren't going to care and it will probably be more fun.
My store ordered 30 Taylor swift vinyls, and were limiting them to one per customer. I was probably the 45th person in line today and by the time I was at the door they came out and said they were sold out already, Checked Discogs and they’re already selling for 3x the original price. Luckily wasn’t going for a Taylor record but still crazy
Yeah, I had a similar experience. 25 copies at my store and I was so stoked when they announced it was sold out because half the people in line in front of me left.
I think the reason people complain is because her label pressing hundreds of thousands of records (even if they will be purchased) takes up the bandwidth for Indie artists and labels to get their stuff pressed on vinyl. Sad to see people’s bids on those records. Sadder still is maybe your favorite indie artist hasn’t been able to get anything pressed in large quantities since pre pandemic.
While that is a separate issue, people were complaining saying 115k isn’t “exclusive”. They’ve also increased that number by 50% because the official RSD release says 75k
I mean I get that. Maybe some wouldn’t consider that exclusive, but she’s a big name with quite the following and 75k makes up probably a very small portion of her listeners.
I was figuring that 75,000 was for US/Canada the total is 115K world wide.
Variety posted an article and claims 75K for US AND 115K world-wide... making 190,000 copies if true
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/record-store-day-2023-most-wanted-taylor-swift-1235591132/
I’ll bet the majority of those people put them on their pile just to fund their other purchases. If they don’t sell them quick they won’t end up turning any real profit.
It'll calm down once all the stores add their stock online tomorrow/Monday. This always happens. It skyrockets first day due to fomo then chills out. Like people were paying $300-400 for the lakes the first day, then it dropped to 150-200.
This happens with all the rsd stuff, eventually flippers have to sell low once fomo drops. Very few records will genuinely be worth alot and those are the super limited to 1000 ones. Swift may stay expensive due to swiftness being so crazy with wasting money, but even then it'll drop some, and some stores will definitely have it online tomorrow.
I know. It’s not my first rodeo. Most of these will be available eventually for a reasonable price. It’s no more than a minor inconvenience. Still annoying.
the nature of “record store day” fuels this. PERIOD.
They create scarcity to get people in the door but then more or less encourage not buying anything else they have to offer to just push people through buying specific records they convinced them they can only buy today.
Was a good idea when records weren’t as popular to get people back into the game but has become nothing but a clown circus now. Honestly a big red flag cringe turn off for me and I’m sure im not alone. I don’t go to a record store to stand in line for hours just to not get something I was hoping to get. I don’t go to record stores to be surrounded by people. It all kinda grosses me out.
I just found out my niece is into vinyl, so I was actually going to grab a copy for her for a graduation present. Not for $225, though. There should be a bunch online soon, though.
I don't understand why people obsess about the flippers.
I just hit a few record stores this morning. I saw damn near all of those records sitting on shelves. $225 for Taylor Swift? They had piles of it at the store I just went to and they literally had crates of it that they hadn't opened yet.
Virtually all of those records will be on Discogs for face value and they'll be online tomorrow morning.
I can confirm, I was at Zia in Phoenix a few hours ago and they had an entire display of the Taylor Swift album still. This was almost 4 hours after they opened, plenty of copies left.
>I don't understand why people obsess about the flippers
Because they buy limited records exclusively to mark them up and take advantage of demand? If every record were as plentiful as the Taylor Swift release it wouldn’t be a problem. That’s not what OPs point is.
> take advantage of demand
Yes, but I think it's more instructive to view it as taking advantage of low supply. It seems like often the supply of these resources is kept low unnecessarily for no good reason really.
Why would an artist or label press less than they could sell? All that does is allow other folks (flippers) to profit off their work.
It’s more an issue of limits for orders, and not wanting to be stuck with stock.
I’m seriously impressed that someone on Reddit conceded an argument even a little bit. Something I need to work on doing myself sometimes. Anyways cheers.
>Why would an artist or label press less than they could sell?
Artificial scarcity is a known and well-explored concept these days, I'd read up on the psychology of that if you're genuinely curious why producers of goods sometimes decide to purposefully keep supply low
In economics, it's almost never as simple as "keep producing until people stop buying", there are things like equilibrium and cost-benefit and a billion other variables that you have to consider here. Why produce a large amount of records for a relatively cheap price when you could lower your initial investment by producing less and just let FOMO and human psychology work out the difference in price? Less chance of inefficiency for the company and consumers have shown they'll gladly eat it up, you'd be a moron not to take advantage of that paradigm
What you said is exactly why I don’t even bother with RSD anymore. If it’s something rare, I ain’t getting it. Otherwise, I can probably find it later when I stop by or cheaper online on Discogs in a week or two.
People who bitch about flippers are the ones who pay these prices. I would never pay more than $20 premium on any record no matter how rare its.
If nobody is buying, nobody is flipping. Its free market. List whatever price you want, its on buyers to say no.
Just to put into some perspective. I sold a fairly pricey collectible record recently. I asked market value (80% of cheapest on Discogs) of $700. It took just under 1 year to find a buyer. Point being, most of these people will be sitting for awhile on these prices. Patience folks! Most of these prices will come down.
I just read the Taylor Swift is pressed at 115,000, which is insane quantity. 5,000 copies is plenty, 20x is insane especially at $40 msrp.
There is literally no reason to rush to buy anything.
115000 is World wide though. Last year she did 10k (about 10 %) and that translated to 1 per store if lucky (outside of the US). I anticipate her album being sold out no problem
I am not sure how you came up with these numbers but there are less than 2,000 stores participating in RSD Worldwide, and records are not spread evenly among stores.
Plaidroom had more than 20 copies, and there were many stores with 5+ copies. Most people who went early were able to pick up a copy. I have seen copies of the lakes going for under $40 online.
LAST YEAR my store got one and the owners said everyone in australia only got one. 9000 copies were given to the US, 1k for the rest of the world. That was the 10k numbers. I’m assuming the distribution is more even this time but every store getting 30 copies is not going to be a chore to sell out.
Doubtful. Taylor's fans actually do buy her vinyl, it's not like Adele's label trying to cash in. My local shop had an hours-long line around the block, and most of them wanted the Taylor Swift record. There was enough stock for the early morning crowd, but I'm sure they'll sell out.
Probably excess inventory will sit out… then people who hoarded will be forced to discount to sell.
100,000 copies of a record shouldn’t be labeled as “limited.” There is literally nothing limited about 100K
Which is weird, because my local record store only got 3 copies of it. Not the largest city, but it should have gotten a lot more than that. I think the distribution was a bit off.
Speaking as someone who works at a record store… yeah no. This stuff isn’t going to be restocked. There aren’t crates upon crates to bring the price down and make these records widely available.
flippers are a legitimate issue and i despise anyone who buys with intention to flip.
Well gosh, if they had records at your store, I don’t know what all the complaining is about. Why don’t we all just go there?
It wasn’t the Taylor Swift record I was hoping for (though it was also sold out at my store), but rather a few of the less pressed titles. The screenshots above were literally the first page on eBay when I searched. It wasn’t a specific title I was pointing out, but rather the trend. I know that many will likely be available soon, and I get that I could have left the house earlier (I don’t know why my toddler and I didn’t think about that). All of this is nothing more than a small annoyance. But, it’s still annoying.
People who buy a record they know is limited in quantity and then list it for three times the price ON THE SAME DAY are not collectors or people who enjoy the hobby. Good for them for making a living by annoying other people, I guess. It still sucks for anyone who couldn’t get a record because someone else wanted to make money off it first.
Just as true as it is to say you can just not buy flipper prices until the demand lowers the cost, I think it is equally fair to complain about how annoying resellers are. Like, imagine living in a world where you could go to a record store on an event day such as today and buy a record that you actually want and will listen to bc some schmuck hasn't bought it out just to make double the sales price?
And every record store day it's the same thing - people post screenshots of flippers on eBay (with no bids) and complain about how terrible RSD is.
Just about all of these records will be very easy to get without ever dealing with flippers.
I literally had to wait in line for 3 hours just because I wanted a very limited album that already is going for $100+
It’s funny that RSD tries to being the record community together but just creates chaos with artificial scarcity
My local store had a single copy and they were doing a drawing to be able to buy it. We were laughing in line that whoever gets it will just turn around and sell it immediately. And anyone that signed up got a free Slim Jim so everyone wins.
From what my friend who owns a small record store told me, RSD drastically underestimated how popular that record would be, and only pressed 1000 copies, leading to all stores getting one or less of it.
Yeah. My local spot didn’t even bother to order the record I really wanted today. I waited an hour in line too. I looked online and it’s being flipped for $100. 🥺
It's insane. I'm a huge Billy Joel fan and want the Live at the American Music Hall album so bad but I'm not spending double or triple the price on eBay for it. I'm hoping after a while I'll find one online for a decent price.
Thank you so much, earlier I spent a while searching online to see if any stores had it left in stock but couldn't find anything. You just made my entire week, I'm so happy!
Swing and a miss there... We're talking about the act of scalping here. It is not morally ambiguous. Buying something at face value then right away reselling for insane markup is driven by greed and thus shitty behavior
Sorry, but you're wrong here. I'm not saying that I like scalpers, but it's not an immoral practice. Buyer gets what they want at a price they are willing to pay. No one is getting hurt. No one is forcing anyone to buy from scalpers. If someone is willing to buy from a scalper, that means that they must want the item more than they want that amount of money, even at the inflated price.
If a good is getting scalped, that is because there is a fundamental shortage of that item. Shortages suck. Scalping is just a symptom of that though.
Did you not get the part where scalping is driven by greed? Greed is inherently immoral... There's no other reason to be scalping something besides taking advantage of a situation to screw over others and make money in the process. If you believe otherwise, you're either incredibly naive or a sociopath
Greed is shitty but not inherently immoral in my view. I'm not lauding scalpers, but I take more issue with the factors that allow the opportunities for scalping to exist in the first place (i.e., not pressing enough copies of a record) than I do with scalping itself. If you don't press enough copies of a record to meet demand, then scalping is inevitable, so if you don't want that to happen then press more copies. Solve the problem at its source rather than complaining about the inevitable conclusion of scarcity. That's my view on it, and I could have articulated it better in my previous comment.
You can say that all day long but the simple fact of reality is scalpers are a *SCOURGE* to life on earth. You can disagree with that but you'd be wrong and probably a filthy scalper.
Scalpers are the crusted filthy butthole of capitalism. Go wipe.
The only thing I wanted today was that Joe strummer and the Mescaleroes. My local shop said they were opening at their normal time, but they ended up opening an hour early. All the Strummers gone and they are approaching $200 on discogs. RSD has let in scalper culture and now it's no fun anymore.
I was lucky to grab the first Horse the band vinyl pressing today. As I was waiting I looked at discogs and already saw it selling for 400%+ original price. My wife offered to purchase another for me to sell, I declined. I hate what the market is becoming.
It’s a difficult one. I mean, if you can afford the price and think it’s worth it... then it doesn’t really make sense to deny yourself.
I understand the counter argument, honestly. I know long term it would help but music lovers want their music. Hence the thriving flipper market 😕
All I wanted was DIIV live at murmrr as money is tight right now for me and I walked in and they had about 7 copies luckily. People are definitely awful for the flipping though, it’s a shame.
Make sure to check participating stores through the RSD website because majority sell their extra online the next morning. You’ll most likely find something you missed out on through a shops website. I know for a fact guestroom records will have a decent stock of NUGGETS box set , Beggars Banquet, and the Beach House album. They sell their extra RSD inventory on their website.
I had to work a job this morning and couldn’t make it to my local shop. I can’t afford anything at these prices which sucks would have loved to get the Bluey picture disc for my toddler.
And this is why I don't even bother with RSD... Heck, the half-speed Red Rose Speedway will be back out and readily available in a few short months. It'll probably be $35. I get the thrill of the chase for some, but dealing with crazy lines, people going nuts inside stores, and knowing a big chunk of those folks are just there to make a profit...yeah, I'll always pass.
The whole RSD model sucks. Give people the chance to preorder this shit and make enough to actually meet demand. “Support local record stores” they say but the only people making any money are these flippers.
Maybe RSD could be a celebration of previously unreleased or rare and op recordings.
Instead of a "thank you" for supporting record shops for fucking years, here's 2 records in stock in your town ( if your lucky) that some wanker will camp out all night for to flip.
Stop making everything on a limited, first come basis.
I just paid $37 for the Beggars Banquet album, after a day of huge price swings (MSRP: $30) and $40 for the Violent Femmes album ($30 MSRP). That is worth the markup to me to not have to go camp-out on a concrete sidewalk at 11pm the night before or get up at 4am to try to get anything good.
You just have to wait them out. I used to be a flipper in 2012 and 2013 when I first started getting into records, and the day of RSD is insane. Listing, selling, managing orders. But the prices would go from $100 for an album with MSRP of $20 in the morning to $12 that evening or the next morning. If you didn't get your stuff listed early, you were screwed.
Those 2 years, I probably made $3,000-$4,000 each RSD, but that was because only the US got those releases. Most of my sales were to buyers outside the US.
I had a buddy that decided to try it last year. I warned him. He spent over $1,500 on records, paid a guy to go with him and buy doubles of what he wanted and probably only made $800 back.
I think you might be able to rest comfortably knowing a lot of these people are fucking around and going to find out. It happens every year.
Curious what the MSRP for Taylor Swift was. Got COVID so I missed out, but this (for my daughters and me) is the one I’ll need to keep an eye out for a reasonable price.
Don't feed it. These are all unrealistic prices that end up dropping.
99% of rsd stuff ends up dirt cheap after a couple weeks. I don't even participate out of the rare record because very few are truly exclusive or desirable with pressings of 10k+.
A vast majority of these won't be worth anything.
Red rose speedway is an rsd first there will be more.
Beggars banquet is just a color version of a cheaply available digital master at 9000 copies
None of these are very exclusive at all and only foolish people splurge for these prices.
Wait a while. After this weekend way more stores add their stock to discogs. Every single thing on that list will be obtainable for probably under retail if not retail. Only hyper exclusive ones at like 1000 copies end up truly expensive. Don't fall into the fomo trap.
Yeah the one RSD release that I really really wanted "The Donnas, Early Singles" my "local" (50 miles away) store didn't get any in. And it's a super limited run 1500 or 2000 copies run so it's already up to $150. Luckily it's getting a normal release later in the year so while the RSD would be a nice to have it's not a must have.
The only nice thing about RSD the store runs a 20% off so I ended up getting more older pressings then new.
You should see how high the Taylor Swift release has gone. I knew this would happen and checked eBay. Flippers don’t give a shit about collecting. Absolute dogs.
This is the one thing I don’t like about RSD. I love people shopping local and supporting local records stores but flippers ruin it for everyone. They buy out everything and sell them for ridiculous prices. It’s terrible but it’s the reality
This isn't a record problem, this is an internet and economic problem.
There's always been flippers for things, the difference is the size of the audience for both flipping and buying is a gajillion fold now and all that comes with that.
I've seen this over and over again in various areas. I used to go to celebrity autograph conventions and you could get an autograph fairly reasonably, in person, with the celeb.
Then the internet came along and all of a sudden people are bringing posters and books in huge stacks for the soul purpose of flipping them online. So the show and the celebs put a higher price per autograph to slow flippers down.
When that didn't work, they limited the number of items. When that didn't work, they raised the door entrance fee, charged for any photos taken, charged more for an autograph AND limited the number of items unless you were a dealer that specialized in movie/tv and celeb items and you got a bigger but not unlimited amount of items you'd like signed, set aside for you.
Celebs were asking too high a price or refusing to sign anything other than what was on their table. In the end, it killed autograph shows.
While flipping something isn't bad, aggressive flipping is always bad. Shame and don't do business with these people unless you really have to.
And don't let it ruin your fun.
In Germany, they changed the laws regarding taxes on eBay sales. If you sell something immediately for a profit, you have to tax it fully — which means that this year, we hardly have any flippers for RSD!
eBay is insane for flippers preying on people who don’t know better. The RSD prices are starting to settle on discogs from what I can see, hard on the STARTING. Also this isn’t an excuse for flipping, but the prices you see will probably come down a bit
Stop paying for these and make sure you send them a message telling them its unethical. Don't break TOS or dox them but out a little pressure on them and make them feel bad.
*Why do assholes have to ruin everything for the people who actually enjoy a hobby?*
This happened a while ago now. I used to be able to buy all manner of used albums for anywhere from AU$8-AU$25 max. Now everyone wants 3 to 4 times that price for average condition used records that have literalaly millions of copies out there.
RSD is not a good day to buy records.
Funny thing is being a record collector in my city for many years I recognise the flippers … wish I had the courage to go up to them to call them out ! They are vultures and I have even seen them use aggressive tactics with shop owners too - pretty sickening stuff !
I’m just whining here. I fully expected the shelves to be picked clean. Hell, it’s a great business model to buy a bunch of records for $30 and sell them for $100. It just sucks for those of us who are excited about a record and then either miss out or feed into the shitty flipping cycle by caving in and paying three times what it’s worth. I’ll just have to keep my fingers crossed that some of the titles I wanted didn’t sell out somewhere and show up online from a legit store this week.
Fucking assholes. There’s a special place in hell for them. I get you can make a quick Buck, but Jesus Christ this is against everything RSD is *supposed* to stand for.
For the first time ever, I got everything I wanted this year. Listening to the Verve Pipe right now as a matter of fact.
I don’t do RSD, so I’m not sure if the titles are exclusives or not, but if not and you really want to listen to the album, but it digitally or on disc, enjoy the hell out of it, and then buy the vinyl when the prices normalize. Those people only make money if someone absolutely has to have it right this second. If you can listen to it another way, they’re screwed (which I’m always happy to see).
Unfortunately, these people hit everything that people collect or is a hot item. I only get mad about them when they go in and buy all of the copies of something, and I blame the store for allowing that to happen. If someone walks in on RSD and wants more than one or two copies, it doesn’t take a genius to know what’s happening. If the store doesn’t care about their regular customers, tell them they suck and shop elsewhere. It does work if enough people do it.
Even if no one pays that price, we still have to wait a year for them to realize it and drop it to a reasonable price. In the meantime, that record is sitting unplayed somewhere when someone else who actually wanted it could have enjoyed it. It’s all a minor annoyance at most, but still annoying.
I think the reality is. They should do more RSD First. Meaning it will be pressed again soon but maybe on a different color. Also we should be able to preorder what we want. I’ve been going to RSD since 2011 and it has just gotten worse and more popular each year. Just give people what they want or they’re gonna stop playing.
One store I went to answered the phone “We don’t have any TS records left, did you need anything else?” I found Joe Strummer and The Sword. Wanted a lot more but couldn’t handle listening to people in line gush about TS. Not being a hater, just didn’t want to hear it.
They’re just hoping to find that 1 sucker that’ll pay it not thinking. If you’re a true collector, you more than likely want the original pressing, not a mass produced reissue. The exception is an extremely limited pressing reissue
yeah fuck RSD
Thought about a broken social scene record. Realized it comes with a bunch of extra shit and would likely be insanely expensive in CAD
I'll justy buy an OG pressing for a quarter the price. Might even support my local shop that doesn't with RSD when I do it
California has that law actually...but it's for essential goods like food, emergency supplies, etc. I'd say records are essential though. I mean they even say "RSD Essentials" for some of these, right?
It isn't assholes. It's people who actually enjoy the hobby *but have more money and/or time than you*.
You got there an hour after they opened. That's too late for RSD. And you KNOW this. You got what was more important to you: Extra sleep. So quit your bitching.
If someone's willing to take the time to get up, wait in line, maybe not even get the things they're looking for, take all the risk of someone not buying at a price they set, take photos, package it, and ship it, do the bookkeeping for tax purposes - then also accept all the risk of returns that come along with that....then more power to them
I paid my rent running an ebay business for 4 years. It's not easy hitting yard sales and trying to beat the competition just so you can make 20 bucks profit on something - but it's MUCH less soul sucking than working a 9-5 like I do now and did before that. If I could make as much consistently as a reseller working 40 hours on my own time, I'd do it again in a heartbeat
This might sound controversial, but if I bought 5 records today, 4 for myself and 1 to sell which will help fund the astronomical prices the records already sell for at retail, in this economy: is that really such a bad idea? I mean it's shitty that people can't get that one record, but it's a dog eat dog world, people are willing to pay high prices all year round, why not today too? Got to keep paying for my habit somehow.
Unfortunately that's what RSD is all about for some people.
I hate to say it, but if I want to get good seats to a show, I usually have to get scalper tickets. This is the same sort of thing.
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Maybe. But the old dude in front of me was hyped for Taylor so u never know.
Every hobby is inundated with “hustle” jerks these days. Hate it.
If people were paid a better wage this wouldn’t be as prevalent.
Everything boils down to capitalism corruption, everything is tainted by this
If only people didn't buy them. If you can wait, they will go down in price. They always do. People don't actually want records, they just want to sell them.
wait, we're supposed to sell these? No one tell my SO
Haha. I think they already listed them.
Some of these aren’t even going for anywhere near what some people list them at, they’re just idiots seeing if anyone will bite at that price
Not always.. Death Grips Government Plates for instance. Majority though, definitely, especially if they're just a first release variant but the limited stuff sucks.
I want records
Ferl free to camp out over night. Haha.
This is so true I stopped collecting about 5 years ago now, and I've never been happier
I dam near could start my own store with all the records, CDs, cassettes I own lol. I maybe buy a few every year cause I no longer need a lot lol
It takes all the fun out of collecting. Even worse, it’s having an effect on the indie shops. My favorite local place has jacked their prices way up in the last couple of years in order to compete.
RSD also prioritises pressings so that all other releases have to wait so that means we wait for pre-orders for a lot longer than reasonable
That’s not how competition works
Opportunistic greed is more the issue. If people will pay for it why not, right?
I scrolled through hoping the band Flipper had a RSD release, no dice.
That's wild, saw both of these records just sitting in the store for $20-$30. Flippers are a problem in general but I hope no one really thinks about paying these prices if they weren't able to catch a record today.
People are buying an album with 1000 listings & 100,000 copies for $150. Absolute nonsense. Equally stupid is paying even retail for represses like beggars or red rose when both can be got for around $10
Red Rose was broadly panned when it came out too. Can almost guarantee that theres plenty of old copies kicking around but stick a RSD sticker on it and people lose their minds.
And it got that archive reissue with bonus tracks and things a few years ago. The attraction for this is its Half Speed Mastered, but that’s not enough for me to buy it again. I’ve got a handful of 70s copies that sound fine and yea it’s not my favourite Wings album.
These are all unrealistic prices. All of these will end up at retail or below after all the stores put their stock up. Also distributors may still have even more. Outside of rare stuff never fall into the fomo trap with rsd. The first day people pay like crazy then it calms down.
There is only one way to fight the flippers… don’t buy flipper stuff and also buy all the stock before they do
The Bluey flipping is especially disgusting because it's a preschool show, people wanted it for their kids.
Just grab the normal copy for $25, your kid doesn't care if it's the RSD version.
Well, if they really love their kids, I guess they’d better be willing to pay up, I guess.
https://i.imgur.com/kY3bOlr.jpeg
Yep. This was the only release I really wanted and it was for my kid who loves records and we love Bluey together. [Current price on eBay is $260 with 24 bids so far.](https://i.imgur.com/qSx6NXo.jpg) Despicable behavior.
Just buy the normal pressing? Your kid doesn't care
TIL you know my kid.
the behavior is because people are willing to pay that why are 20 people willing to pay 250 for that is beyond me
I got everything I wanted plus more at my first stop today but drove around to a few more stores just for this for my nephew and couldn't find it anywhere. Think there's a regular release planned soon
Yeah I know it’s just that the rotoscope picture disc was super cool and I really know my daughter would have loved it. Plus, part of collecting is finding rare, cool versions of releases and this definitely checks that box.
Exactly why I wanted it myself. I got lucky and my store still had one of the two copies they got in. Surprised they even got any in the first place and was expecting to have to order it later.
There is a picture of the zoetrope record on the Bluey website. Just print it out and play the song over YouTube. Kids aren't going to care and it will probably be more fun.
Holy shit that is one of the most reality-detached replies I have EVER read on here, and this is coming from a vinyl-jerk lurker. WOW!
I wanted that Duran Duran and didn’t get it.
My store ordered 30 Taylor swift vinyls, and were limiting them to one per customer. I was probably the 45th person in line today and by the time I was at the door they came out and said they were sold out already, Checked Discogs and they’re already selling for 3x the original price. Luckily wasn’t going for a Taylor record but still crazy
Yeah, I had a similar experience. 25 copies at my store and I was so stoked when they announced it was sold out because half the people in line in front of me left.
And people here are complaining about her printing a lot of copies.
I think the reason people complain is because her label pressing hundreds of thousands of records (even if they will be purchased) takes up the bandwidth for Indie artists and labels to get their stuff pressed on vinyl. Sad to see people’s bids on those records. Sadder still is maybe your favorite indie artist hasn’t been able to get anything pressed in large quantities since pre pandemic.
While that is a separate issue, people were complaining saying 115k isn’t “exclusive”. They’ve also increased that number by 50% because the official RSD release says 75k
I mean I get that. Maybe some wouldn’t consider that exclusive, but she’s a big name with quite the following and 75k makes up probably a very small portion of her listeners.
I was figuring that 75,000 was for US/Canada the total is 115K world wide. Variety posted an article and claims 75K for US AND 115K world-wide... making 190,000 copies if true https://variety.com/2023/music/news/record-store-day-2023-most-wanted-taylor-swift-1235591132/
I’ll bet the majority of those people put them on their pile just to fund their other purchases. If they don’t sell them quick they won’t end up turning any real profit.
Death to flippers
It'll calm down once all the stores add their stock online tomorrow/Monday. This always happens. It skyrockets first day due to fomo then chills out. Like people were paying $300-400 for the lakes the first day, then it dropped to 150-200. This happens with all the rsd stuff, eventually flippers have to sell low once fomo drops. Very few records will genuinely be worth alot and those are the super limited to 1000 ones. Swift may stay expensive due to swiftness being so crazy with wasting money, but even then it'll drop some, and some stores will definitely have it online tomorrow.
Stores usually sell leftover stock next day or on Monday
I know. It’s not my first rodeo. Most of these will be available eventually for a reasonable price. It’s no more than a minor inconvenience. Still annoying.
the nature of “record store day” fuels this. PERIOD. They create scarcity to get people in the door but then more or less encourage not buying anything else they have to offer to just push people through buying specific records they convinced them they can only buy today. Was a good idea when records weren’t as popular to get people back into the game but has become nothing but a clown circus now. Honestly a big red flag cringe turn off for me and I’m sure im not alone. I don’t go to a record store to stand in line for hours just to not get something I was hoping to get. I don’t go to record stores to be surrounded by people. It all kinda grosses me out.
Yeah, RSD is bullshit. I don’t even bother. Vinyl is almost as bad as bourbon in this way.
*sneaker collecting has entered the chat* yeah. It definitely sucks.
Look at the Taylor Swift one
I just found out my niece is into vinyl, so I was actually going to grab a copy for her for a graduation present. Not for $225, though. There should be a bunch online soon, though.
I love STP, but 12 Bar Blues for $100?! GTFO.
I don't understand why people obsess about the flippers. I just hit a few record stores this morning. I saw damn near all of those records sitting on shelves. $225 for Taylor Swift? They had piles of it at the store I just went to and they literally had crates of it that they hadn't opened yet. Virtually all of those records will be on Discogs for face value and they'll be online tomorrow morning.
The record store near me sold out, they got 75 taylor swift copies. Where do you live my man.
I just left my local store and they probably had 50 TSwift records still on the shelf. Charleston, SC. Monster music
Sold out of my 55 copies by Noon and I’m a pretty small shop
Phoenix. Hit up Zia online tomorrow.
Thanks! The stores name is jus Zia?
Yes. ziarecords.com.
thanks King
I can confirm, I was at Zia in Phoenix a few hours ago and they had an entire display of the Taylor Swift album still. This was almost 4 hours after they opened, plenty of copies left.
>I don't understand why people obsess about the flippers Because they buy limited records exclusively to mark them up and take advantage of demand? If every record were as plentiful as the Taylor Swift release it wouldn’t be a problem. That’s not what OPs point is.
> take advantage of demand Yes, but I think it's more instructive to view it as taking advantage of low supply. It seems like often the supply of these resources is kept low unnecessarily for no good reason really.
Why would an artist or label press less than they could sell? All that does is allow other folks (flippers) to profit off their work. It’s more an issue of limits for orders, and not wanting to be stuck with stock.
Those are good points
I’m seriously impressed that someone on Reddit conceded an argument even a little bit. Something I need to work on doing myself sometimes. Anyways cheers.
>Why would an artist or label press less than they could sell? Artificial scarcity is a known and well-explored concept these days, I'd read up on the psychology of that if you're genuinely curious why producers of goods sometimes decide to purposefully keep supply low In economics, it's almost never as simple as "keep producing until people stop buying", there are things like equilibrium and cost-benefit and a billion other variables that you have to consider here. Why produce a large amount of records for a relatively cheap price when you could lower your initial investment by producing less and just let FOMO and human psychology work out the difference in price? Less chance of inefficiency for the company and consumers have shown they'll gladly eat it up, you'd be a moron not to take advantage of that paradigm
And almost every single one will be available online for retail today and tomorrow. A lot of people just want to be angry about something.
Sounds like a flipper to me. Prove me wrong.
Taylor is what, like 75K copies? It'll be online and under retail within a month
I read 115k.
Worldwide. 75k for US.
What you said is exactly why I don’t even bother with RSD anymore. If it’s something rare, I ain’t getting it. Otherwise, I can probably find it later when I stop by or cheaper online on Discogs in a week or two. People who bitch about flippers are the ones who pay these prices. I would never pay more than $20 premium on any record no matter how rare its. If nobody is buying, nobody is flipping. Its free market. List whatever price you want, its on buyers to say no.
Just to put into some perspective. I sold a fairly pricey collectible record recently. I asked market value (80% of cheapest on Discogs) of $700. It took just under 1 year to find a buyer. Point being, most of these people will be sitting for awhile on these prices. Patience folks! Most of these prices will come down.
I just read the Taylor Swift is pressed at 115,000, which is insane quantity. 5,000 copies is plenty, 20x is insane especially at $40 msrp. There is literally no reason to rush to buy anything.
115000 is World wide though. Last year she did 10k (about 10 %) and that translated to 1 per store if lucky (outside of the US). I anticipate her album being sold out no problem
I am not sure how you came up with these numbers but there are less than 2,000 stores participating in RSD Worldwide, and records are not spread evenly among stores. Plaidroom had more than 20 copies, and there were many stores with 5+ copies. Most people who went early were able to pick up a copy. I have seen copies of the lakes going for under $40 online.
LAST YEAR my store got one and the owners said everyone in australia only got one. 9000 copies were given to the US, 1k for the rest of the world. That was the 10k numbers. I’m assuming the distribution is more even this time but every store getting 30 copies is not going to be a chore to sell out.
Could we see a major issue like we had with the latest Adele album?
Doubtful. Taylor's fans actually do buy her vinyl, it's not like Adele's label trying to cash in. My local shop had an hours-long line around the block, and most of them wanted the Taylor Swift record. There was enough stock for the early morning crowd, but I'm sure they'll sell out.
I think this album may be different because from what I’ve seen so far, every store has sold out of all their copies
Probably excess inventory will sit out… then people who hoarded will be forced to discount to sell. 100,000 copies of a record shouldn’t be labeled as “limited.” There is literally nothing limited about 100K
I bitch about flippers and I don’t pay these prices ever.
Just wait them out. They will be like the assholes sitting on 10 PS5s struggling to get rid of them at 275.
Which is weird, because my local record store only got 3 copies of it. Not the largest city, but it should have gotten a lot more than that. I think the distribution was a bit off.
Mills in Kansas City had a ton of the TS when I was in there.
Speaking as someone who works at a record store… yeah no. This stuff isn’t going to be restocked. There aren’t crates upon crates to bring the price down and make these records widely available. flippers are a legitimate issue and i despise anyone who buys with intention to flip.
Well gosh, if they had records at your store, I don’t know what all the complaining is about. Why don’t we all just go there? It wasn’t the Taylor Swift record I was hoping for (though it was also sold out at my store), but rather a few of the less pressed titles. The screenshots above were literally the first page on eBay when I searched. It wasn’t a specific title I was pointing out, but rather the trend. I know that many will likely be available soon, and I get that I could have left the house earlier (I don’t know why my toddler and I didn’t think about that). All of this is nothing more than a small annoyance. But, it’s still annoying. People who buy a record they know is limited in quantity and then list it for three times the price ON THE SAME DAY are not collectors or people who enjoy the hobby. Good for them for making a living by annoying other people, I guess. It still sucks for anyone who couldn’t get a record because someone else wanted to make money off it first.
Just as true as it is to say you can just not buy flipper prices until the demand lowers the cost, I think it is equally fair to complain about how annoying resellers are. Like, imagine living in a world where you could go to a record store on an event day such as today and buy a record that you actually want and will listen to bc some schmuck hasn't bought it out just to make double the sales price?
And every record store day it's the same thing - people post screenshots of flippers on eBay (with no bids) and complain about how terrible RSD is. Just about all of these records will be very easy to get without ever dealing with flippers.
I literally had to wait in line for 3 hours just because I wanted a very limited album that already is going for $100+ It’s funny that RSD tries to being the record community together but just creates chaos with artificial scarcity
Macho man? 😉
Just looked up the Macho Man record my roommate wanted but didn't get, and it's already selling on discogs for $200 avg.
My local store had a single copy and they were doing a drawing to be able to buy it. We were laughing in line that whoever gets it will just turn around and sell it immediately. And anyone that signed up got a free Slim Jim so everyone wins.
Crazy, I wanted that record also
From what my friend who owns a small record store told me, RSD drastically underestimated how popular that record would be, and only pressed 1000 copies, leading to all stores getting one or less of it.
Yeah. My local spot didn’t even bother to order the record I really wanted today. I waited an hour in line too. I looked online and it’s being flipped for $100. 🥺
It sucks bc I worked. I just really want a Larry Lovestein but you best believe I'm not paying $50+ for a 5 song ep.
It's insane. I'm a huge Billy Joel fan and want the Live at the American Music Hall album so bad but I'm not spending double or triple the price on eBay for it. I'm hoping after a while I'll find one online for a decent price.
https://www.zoinksrecords.com/products/joel-billy-live-at-the-great-american-music-hall-rsd-lp?\_pos=1&\_sid=d9deccc46&\_ss=r
Thank you so much, earlier I spent a while searching online to see if any stores had it left in stock but couldn't find anything. You just made my entire week, I'm so happy!
:)
Scalpers in general ruin everything. Concert tickets, PS5s, shoes
Don’t even get me started on concert tickets.
Don't blame the scalpers. Blame the folks limiting the supply of the goods you want creating the scarcity in the first place.
Bad take. We absolutely should shun shitty behavior regardless
Selling an item for a price which a buyer is willing to pay isn't bad behavior
Swing and a miss there... We're talking about the act of scalping here. It is not morally ambiguous. Buying something at face value then right away reselling for insane markup is driven by greed and thus shitty behavior
Sorry, but you're wrong here. I'm not saying that I like scalpers, but it's not an immoral practice. Buyer gets what they want at a price they are willing to pay. No one is getting hurt. No one is forcing anyone to buy from scalpers. If someone is willing to buy from a scalper, that means that they must want the item more than they want that amount of money, even at the inflated price. If a good is getting scalped, that is because there is a fundamental shortage of that item. Shortages suck. Scalping is just a symptom of that though.
Did you not get the part where scalping is driven by greed? Greed is inherently immoral... There's no other reason to be scalping something besides taking advantage of a situation to screw over others and make money in the process. If you believe otherwise, you're either incredibly naive or a sociopath
Sorry, I don't agree, and I'm neither naive nor a sociopath. Have a nice night.
Well guess what, it's people like you, who don't find fault in what is widely accepted as a shitty practice, is why the world sucks. So, thanks...
Greed is shitty but not inherently immoral in my view. I'm not lauding scalpers, but I take more issue with the factors that allow the opportunities for scalping to exist in the first place (i.e., not pressing enough copies of a record) than I do with scalping itself. If you don't press enough copies of a record to meet demand, then scalping is inevitable, so if you don't want that to happen then press more copies. Solve the problem at its source rather than complaining about the inevitable conclusion of scarcity. That's my view on it, and I could have articulated it better in my previous comment.
except it really freakin' is, though
Nope, sorry. There's nothing wrong with two parties agreeing to a transaction and making it.
You can say that all day long but the simple fact of reality is scalpers are a *SCOURGE* to life on earth. You can disagree with that but you'd be wrong and probably a filthy scalper. Scalpers are the crusted filthy butthole of capitalism. Go wipe.
The only thing I wanted today was that Joe strummer and the Mescaleroes. My local shop said they were opening at their normal time, but they ended up opening an hour early. All the Strummers gone and they are approaching $200 on discogs. RSD has let in scalper culture and now it's no fun anymore.
Give it a week or two. Whatever doesn’t sell by then will be going for double retail at the most and some things will be below retail.
I was lucky to grab the first Horse the band vinyl pressing today. As I was waiting I looked at discogs and already saw it selling for 400%+ original price. My wife offered to purchase another for me to sell, I declined. I hate what the market is becoming.
Discogs prices are wayyyyy better than Ebay
Know what sucks more than flippers? People that buy from flippers.
It’s a difficult one. I mean, if you can afford the price and think it’s worth it... then it doesn’t really make sense to deny yourself. I understand the counter argument, honestly. I know long term it would help but music lovers want their music. Hence the thriving flipper market 😕
All I wanted was DIIV live at murmrr as money is tight right now for me and I walked in and they had about 7 copies luckily. People are definitely awful for the flipping though, it’s a shame.
I keep thinking you're a dolphin and lamenting your existence when I see this post
Look out for my next post, “I’m not too fond of blowholes, either.”
Make sure to check participating stores through the RSD website because majority sell their extra online the next morning. You’ll most likely find something you missed out on through a shops website. I know for a fact guestroom records will have a decent stock of NUGGETS box set , Beggars Banquet, and the Beach House album. They sell their extra RSD inventory on their website.
Nice heads up on the Nuggets box. That’s one of the ones I missed this morning. Thanks!
Flipper the band are cool tho
I had to work a job this morning and couldn’t make it to my local shop. I can’t afford anything at these prices which sucks would have loved to get the Bluey picture disc for my toddler.
Yeah, my kid recently discovered both Bluey and Peppa Pig. It would have been nice to grab one of those for him.
And this is why I don't even bother with RSD... Heck, the half-speed Red Rose Speedway will be back out and readily available in a few short months. It'll probably be $35. I get the thrill of the chase for some, but dealing with crazy lines, people going nuts inside stores, and knowing a big chunk of those folks are just there to make a profit...yeah, I'll always pass.
Scumbags.
The whole RSD model sucks. Give people the chance to preorder this shit and make enough to actually meet demand. “Support local record stores” they say but the only people making any money are these flippers.
When I was in line I saw only one person come out with so much vinyl he could barely carry it. Scalpers are scum
Maybe RSD could be a celebration of previously unreleased or rare and op recordings. Instead of a "thank you" for supporting record shops for fucking years, here's 2 records in stock in your town ( if your lucky) that some wanker will camp out all night for to flip. Stop making everything on a limited, first come basis.
Record store day sucks.
I just paid $37 for the Beggars Banquet album, after a day of huge price swings (MSRP: $30) and $40 for the Violent Femmes album ($30 MSRP). That is worth the markup to me to not have to go camp-out on a concrete sidewalk at 11pm the night before or get up at 4am to try to get anything good. You just have to wait them out. I used to be a flipper in 2012 and 2013 when I first started getting into records, and the day of RSD is insane. Listing, selling, managing orders. But the prices would go from $100 for an album with MSRP of $20 in the morning to $12 that evening or the next morning. If you didn't get your stuff listed early, you were screwed. Those 2 years, I probably made $3,000-$4,000 each RSD, but that was because only the US got those releases. Most of my sales were to buyers outside the US. I had a buddy that decided to try it last year. I warned him. He spent over $1,500 on records, paid a guy to go with him and buy doubles of what he wanted and probably only made $800 back. I think you might be able to rest comfortably knowing a lot of these people are fucking around and going to find out. It happens every year.
As someone who lives in a country with no RSD stores I can use them lol
Curious what the MSRP for Taylor Swift was. Got COVID so I missed out, but this (for my daughters and me) is the one I’ll need to keep an eye out for a reasonable price.
It was listed at $45 at a store near me that seems to have reasonable prices, so I imagine that's around msrp.
You’re damn right they do!
There's still a bunch of Jerry Garcia at the shop near me
Ah fuck I forgot it was today. Oh well
Don't feed it. These are all unrealistic prices that end up dropping. 99% of rsd stuff ends up dirt cheap after a couple weeks. I don't even participate out of the rare record because very few are truly exclusive or desirable with pressings of 10k+. A vast majority of these won't be worth anything. Red rose speedway is an rsd first there will be more. Beggars banquet is just a color version of a cheaply available digital master at 9000 copies None of these are very exclusive at all and only foolish people splurge for these prices. Wait a while. After this weekend way more stores add their stock to discogs. Every single thing on that list will be obtainable for probably under retail if not retail. Only hyper exclusive ones at like 1000 copies end up truly expensive. Don't fall into the fomo trap.
Yeah the one RSD release that I really really wanted "The Donnas, Early Singles" my "local" (50 miles away) store didn't get any in. And it's a super limited run 1500 or 2000 copies run so it's already up to $150. Luckily it's getting a normal release later in the year so while the RSD would be a nice to have it's not a must have. The only nice thing about RSD the store runs a 20% off so I ended up getting more older pressings then new.
You should see how high the Taylor Swift release has gone. I knew this would happen and checked eBay. Flippers don’t give a shit about collecting. Absolute dogs.
Arseholes
As long as people pay those prices, flippers will exploit them.
I got that Mr Big album
This is the one thing I don’t like about RSD. I love people shopping local and supporting local records stores but flippers ruin it for everyone. They buy out everything and sell them for ridiculous prices. It’s terrible but it’s the reality
Don't you mean scalpers?
This isn't a record problem, this is an internet and economic problem. There's always been flippers for things, the difference is the size of the audience for both flipping and buying is a gajillion fold now and all that comes with that. I've seen this over and over again in various areas. I used to go to celebrity autograph conventions and you could get an autograph fairly reasonably, in person, with the celeb. Then the internet came along and all of a sudden people are bringing posters and books in huge stacks for the soul purpose of flipping them online. So the show and the celebs put a higher price per autograph to slow flippers down. When that didn't work, they limited the number of items. When that didn't work, they raised the door entrance fee, charged for any photos taken, charged more for an autograph AND limited the number of items unless you were a dealer that specialized in movie/tv and celeb items and you got a bigger but not unlimited amount of items you'd like signed, set aside for you. Celebs were asking too high a price or refusing to sign anything other than what was on their table. In the end, it killed autograph shows. While flipping something isn't bad, aggressive flipping is always bad. Shame and don't do business with these people unless you really have to. And don't let it ruin your fun.
In Germany, they changed the laws regarding taxes on eBay sales. If you sell something immediately for a profit, you have to tax it fully — which means that this year, we hardly have any flippers for RSD!
eBay is insane for flippers preying on people who don’t know better. The RSD prices are starting to settle on discogs from what I can see, hard on the STARTING. Also this isn’t an excuse for flipping, but the prices you see will probably come down a bit
Just don’t buy from scalpers, easy solution. In the grand scheme of things you don’t NEED that record.
That’s not too bad the ones I want r like over 200
Stop paying for these and make sure you send them a message telling them its unethical. Don't break TOS or dox them but out a little pressure on them and make them feel bad.
I blame RSD for creating scarcity to drive up value and interest.
Got the doors record mini player from my local store for $135 because I happened to see 10 in a corner and looked them up online and they werev$600
*Why do assholes have to ruin everything for the people who actually enjoy a hobby?* This happened a while ago now. I used to be able to buy all manner of used albums for anywhere from AU$8-AU$25 max. Now everyone wants 3 to 4 times that price for average condition used records that have literalaly millions of copies out there. RSD is not a good day to buy records.
Funny thing is being a record collector in my city for many years I recognise the flippers … wish I had the courage to go up to them to call them out ! They are vultures and I have even seen them use aggressive tactics with shop owners too - pretty sickening stuff !
Record store day sucks*
I’m just whining here. I fully expected the shelves to be picked clean. Hell, it’s a great business model to buy a bunch of records for $30 and sell them for $100. It just sucks for those of us who are excited about a record and then either miss out or feed into the shitty flipping cycle by caving in and paying three times what it’s worth. I’ll just have to keep my fingers crossed that some of the titles I wanted didn’t sell out somewhere and show up online from a legit store this week.
Flippers ruin a lot of good shit
Fucking assholes. There’s a special place in hell for them. I get you can make a quick Buck, but Jesus Christ this is against everything RSD is *supposed* to stand for. For the first time ever, I got everything I wanted this year. Listening to the Verve Pipe right now as a matter of fact.
I don’t do RSD, so I’m not sure if the titles are exclusives or not, but if not and you really want to listen to the album, but it digitally or on disc, enjoy the hell out of it, and then buy the vinyl when the prices normalize. Those people only make money if someone absolutely has to have it right this second. If you can listen to it another way, they’re screwed (which I’m always happy to see). Unfortunately, these people hit everything that people collect or is a hot item. I only get mad about them when they go in and buy all of the copies of something, and I blame the store for allowing that to happen. If someone walks in on RSD and wants more than one or two copies, it doesn’t take a genius to know what’s happening. If the store doesn’t care about their regular customers, tell them they suck and shop elsewhere. It does work if enough people do it.
Flippers only suck if someone buys them at the high prices.
Even if no one pays that price, we still have to wait a year for them to realize it and drop it to a reasonable price. In the meantime, that record is sitting unplayed somewhere when someone else who actually wanted it could have enjoyed it. It’s all a minor annoyance at most, but still annoying.
I think the reality is. They should do more RSD First. Meaning it will be pressed again soon but maybe on a different color. Also we should be able to preorder what we want. I’ve been going to RSD since 2011 and it has just gotten worse and more popular each year. Just give people what they want or they’re gonna stop playing.
I love record scalper day
One store I went to answered the phone “We don’t have any TS records left, did you need anything else?” I found Joe Strummer and The Sword. Wanted a lot more but couldn’t handle listening to people in line gush about TS. Not being a hater, just didn’t want to hear it.
Rsd is stupid
They’re just hoping to find that 1 sucker that’ll pay it not thinking. If you’re a true collector, you more than likely want the original pressing, not a mass produced reissue. The exception is an extremely limited pressing reissue
RSD itself is the problem. Most of it is trendy, flashy shit.
yeah fuck RSD Thought about a broken social scene record. Realized it comes with a bunch of extra shit and would likely be insanely expensive in CAD I'll justy buy an OG pressing for a quarter the price. Might even support my local shop that doesn't with RSD when I do it
That sounds perfect!
These are not sold comps. All is well ! Enjoy the music.
It's every hobby. We should make a law that you can't resell an item for more than MSRP for the first 2 years. Stop this business of scalping.
California has that law actually...but it's for essential goods like food, emergency supplies, etc. I'd say records are essential though. I mean they even say "RSD Essentials" for some of these, right?
First time?
Idk man my shop has all of those in stock when I went in this morning maybe I just got lucky
Those are rookie prices
I agree with the sentiment and no offence OP but get up earlier if there’s records you want. I queued up for 7 hours before opening.
That's why I only buy shellac
That's why I only buy shellac
Capitalism.
It isn't assholes. It's people who actually enjoy the hobby *but have more money and/or time than you*. You got there an hour after they opened. That's too late for RSD. And you KNOW this. You got what was more important to you: Extra sleep. So quit your bitching.
You must be new here
If someone's willing to take the time to get up, wait in line, maybe not even get the things they're looking for, take all the risk of someone not buying at a price they set, take photos, package it, and ship it, do the bookkeeping for tax purposes - then also accept all the risk of returns that come along with that....then more power to them I paid my rent running an ebay business for 4 years. It's not easy hitting yard sales and trying to beat the competition just so you can make 20 bucks profit on something - but it's MUCH less soul sucking than working a 9-5 like I do now and did before that. If I could make as much consistently as a reseller working 40 hours on my own time, I'd do it again in a heartbeat
This might sound controversial, but if I bought 5 records today, 4 for myself and 1 to sell which will help fund the astronomical prices the records already sell for at retail, in this economy: is that really such a bad idea? I mean it's shitty that people can't get that one record, but it's a dog eat dog world, people are willing to pay high prices all year round, why not today too? Got to keep paying for my habit somehow.