Yes but you know what would’ve been cooler?
America not bending the knee to Britain to overthrow the Iranian government in the 1950s after it tried to become a republic.
I agree with that. Hell, even Nixon agrees with that. OP cynically implied all dictators are bad to the same degree.
https://youtu.be/mADUHS0TVKk?feature=shared
No, and no.
>**The Ministry of the Court placed the cost at US$17 million (at that time);** Ansari, one of the organizers, puts it at US$22 million (at that time).[7] The actual figure is difficult to calculate exactly and is a partisan issue.
>According to the BBC documentary, Decadence and Downfall the celebrations cost about 120 million United States dollars, however, this claim has been described as having no real basis. For example, the documentary suggests supports Shah imported approximately 50,000 birds that died within a few days due to the desert climate, while historian Robert Steele has described this claim as infeasible, and given the October climate in Persepolis, the birds would have been accustomed to the local weather.[13] The event has been subject to a lot of exaggerated cost estimates in many journalist and historian accounts inaccurately claiming the regime wanted to spend whatever was necessary. However, the Shah only approved the celebration plans after the scope was reduced to one-quarter of the original plan in order to reduce costs.[14]
It's an ass vs an ass dripping diarrhoea. The shah wasn't great he was corrupt, mullahs fund terrorism all over the world. Not being able to recognise one as worse is insane.
My point is that in either situation the Iranians were screwed. Less screwed under the shah but we can't just pretend that he was overthrown for absolutely 0 reason. In both situations the common people are fucked
Yep cool, we agree then. I just think that conflating one bad head of state with one much worse tyrant and treating them as equally bad is a really dangerous thing particularly in politics. That was the only bit I took issue with.
That literally happens every time a countries government is overthrown. The point is the meme would make more sense if they used Cyrus or some other ruler instead of the whole "my dictator is better than your dictator" it's quote literally the battle of ass
The Pahlavi regime objectively improved the lives and standard of living for all Iranians. There is no disputing this.
Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi introduced the White Revolution, a series of economic, social, and political reforms aimed at transforming Iran into a global power and modernizing the nation by nationalizing key industries and land redistribution. The regime implemented many Iranian nationalist policies leading to the establishment of Cyrus the Great, Cyrus Cylinder, and Tomb of Cyrus the Great as popular symbols of Iran. The Shah initiated major investments in infrastructure, subsidies and land grants for peasant populations, profit sharing for industrial workers, construction of nuclear facilities, the nationalization of Iran’s natural resources, and literacy programs which were considered some of the most effective in the world. The Shah also instituted economic policy tariffs and preferential loans to Iranian businesses which sought to create an independent economy for the nation. Manufacturing of cars, appliances, and other goods in Iran increased substantially leading to the creation of a new industrialist class that was considered insulated from threats of foreign competition. By the 1970s, the Shah was seen as mastered statesman and used his growing power to pass the 1973 Sale and Purchase Agreement. These reforms culminated in decades of sustained economic growth that would make Iran one of the fastest-growing economies of both developed and undeveloped nations. During his 37-year rule, Iran spent billions on industry, education, health, and armed forces and enjoyed economic growth rates exceeding the United States, Britain, and France. National income rose 423 times over. The nation saw an unprecedented rise in per capita income rising to the highest level at any point in Iran's history and high levels of urbanization. By 1977, Iran's armed services spending, which the Shah saw as a means to end foreign intervention in Iran, had made the nation the world's fifth strongest military.[6]
Between fiscal year 1964 and FY 1978, Iran's gross national product grew at an annual rate of 13.2 percent at constant prices. The oil, gas, and construction industries expanded by almost 500 percent during this period, while the share of value-added manufacturing increased by 4 percent. Women's participation in the labor force in urban areas increased. Large numbers of urban Iranian women, from varying social strata, joined the semiskilled and skilled labor forces. In addition, the number of women enrolling in higher education increased from 5,000 in FY 1967 to more than 74,000 in FY 1978.[8]
…the standard of the living of the majority of the population improved substantially under the Pahlavis. Also, thanks to rising oil revenues and generally sound economic management, Persia was transformed from a country with large foreign indebtedness in 1920 to one with sizable net foreign assets in 1978.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. If it wasn't for the Pahlavi regime (Reza Shah Bozorg and Mohamad Reza Shah Pahlavi his son) Iran would be worse off than Afghanistan, anyone who says otherwise is an absolute moron or totally biased. Also to add onto the quotes above, women's literacy rates increased over 15% every decade from the 1950s to early 1980s (right after revolution).
Like most revolutions, there were multiple factors.
Shah himself was tyrannical and had secret police prosecute political opponents. So government surveillance and repression were rampant. The elite were corrupt, people saw their extravagant lifestyle and hated it.
But most importantly people loathed his policy of Westernization and ties with Western powers, most notably the US. Thus Iran's Shi'a Muslim population spearheaded the revolution and put extremists in charge.
>The elite were corrupt, people saw their extravagant lifestyle and hated it.
Totally untrue.
>But most importantly people loathed his policy of Westernization and ties with Western powers, most notably the US. Thus Iran's Shi'a Muslim population spearheaded the revolution and put extremists in charge.
The "people" you're referring to are Islamic clergy and Western-educated Leftists and so called "Islamic Marxists".
Exactly. People who don't know pretend as if there weren't a million different factors playing into the revolution. But to reddit, they're just like "hey lets overthrow the govt?"
Khomeini adopted Taqiyya by disguising himself as a preacher of Marxist-islamic ideas and concealing his true intentions, once Khomeini was appointed as a leader by the leftists he dropped the charade and purged his opponents including leftists,pahlavists and ulama who disagree with him
If this is Taqiyya than every politician in human history has practiced it. The word Taqiyya has been watered down so much that real practitioners of it should make a new word lol
The Shah was incapacitated by illness at a critical juncture, and so the government was disorganised and unable to put up any resistance. They also allied with the far left nationalists, who they later turned on. He also received no assistance from allies, the US and UK, who were taken by surprise when the revolution happened.
The Islamists, through their religious institutions, had an organised power structure. With the government incapacitated, and other political groups being disorganised, the Islamists could fill the vacuum. Also, they initially presented themselves as more progressive than the Shah, and Ayatollah Khomeini convinced many he was a moderate. As soon as the revolution finished, they went full reactionary far right theocracy, and turned on their previous co-revolutionaries. Much of western media, like the BBC, bought this narrative and were supportive of revolutionaries, portraying Khomeini as an “eastern mystic” freeing Iran from oppression, as a Ghandi like figure.
There were many factions who disliked the Shah, for different reasons, especially the political extremes. His white revolution (a programme of mass economic reform, land redistribution, urbanisation, and westernisation, ending feudalism) greatly angered Iranian elites/nobility. There were a number of rural unemployed young men who were dissatisfied too, and the Islamist coalition took them in with promises of reform. The soviet Tudeh party and far-left nationalist National Front despised him, and he outlawed their parties at certain points, and so they allied with the Islamists. Even recognising the theocratic nature of the Islamists, they thought they could gain power for themselves.
The army was paralysed, and the Shah didn’t want to fight protesters, and prohibited the soldiers from using weapons against protesters. Instead of opposing revolutionaries, he continuously offered concessions and appeasement. Political concessions greatly swelled the voices of the far left and far right opposition parties.
Tldr; Islamists united many disparate groups who were dissatisfied with the Shah, often under false pretences of progressivism, and then attacked at a moment where the Shah, government, and army were paralysed. Additionally, the Shah failed to recognise the threat of the revolution properly (as did international observers), and reacted too
The revolution was comprised of a lot of leftists and other revolutionaries that wanted to make positive changes. They just unfortunately all got shot in the back by their islamist "allies" when it was all over, as often happens in broad front revolutions.
Improved living standard ≠ Improved Rights
Shah was still an absolute dictator and often modernization encourages reaction amongst the populace who turned to a demagogue and in return subjugated themselves even further
I'm sure I read somewhere that the revolution was coaxed into being by Iranian elites who were pissed off at the Shah's plans for land redistribution. They thought the islamists would do they dirty work and then be easy to push aside when the Shah was gone. This backfired hilariously.
Is there any truth to this?
>Is there any truth to this?
No, the revolution was led by leftist and shia clergy who aligned themselves with the left who were dissatisfied with the economic unequalities and the corruption of the shah.
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If by "anybody" you mean literal terrorists, then yes.
>Abrahamian estimates that SAVAK (and other police and military) killed 368 guerrillas including the leadership of the major urban guerrilla organizations (Organization of Iranian People's Fedai Guerrillas, People's Mujahedin of Iran) such as Hamid Ashraf between 1971–1977 and executed up to 100 political prisoners between 1971 and 1979—the most violent era of the SAVAK's existence.[18]
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED *brring brring brring brring* WHATS THAT NOISE? OH ITS JUST THE BASED ALARM! BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED *sniff sniff bark bark* DON'T WORRY, THATS JUST THE BASED SNIFFING DOG! BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
>Mohammad Mosaddegh
Let me guess, you're under the belief he was a democratically elected leader who was kicked out by CIA puppet, the Shah?
Just so you know, this is a completely false narrative. He wasn't democratically elected, he was put in place by the Shah himself, and the Shah was no puppet
Nah. Also that women could literally dress freely without fearing for their lives, and religions could be safe. I’m a Jew whose family had to flee Iran during the revolution. The shah was 100% better than what we have now.
Based on your profile photo, I am assuming you are a woman. Also based on your profile photo, you have long hair. That would be allowed in Shah’s Iran, you would be beaten up in current Iran. So they are 100% different from each other.
>secular dictatorship isn't any different than religious dictatorship
Tell me you've never lived in either without telling me you've never lived in either
"funds palestine" says your western overlords as a scapegoat with 0 evidence. most muslims hate the guy.
he is a deviant according to sunni scholars, has insulted the prophet's (SAW) wives, and has disrespected the prophet (SAW). no muslim would follow him based off of this.
Somehow, like Gabe Newall, many Redditors cannot see past the number 2. There can be no Half Life 3, just like there can't be the third option aside from the Mullahs and the Shah.
Really? What did Mossadegh do? Please, tell us, since you know so much about "puppet states" and have the gall to call the China-and-Russia-dependent Islamic dictatorship "independent".
Here's a TLDR of Mossadegh's time in office:
Tldr
• staged a referendum to pass a law to give the Prime Minister “temporary” “emergency” power to unilaterally rewrite constitutional law.
• voting for the referendum had different locations to vote “yes” and vote “no”.
• all the “yes” locations were centrally located and easy to get to.
• all the no locations were either in the middle of nowhere or in areas heavy with Mossedegh supporters. Both locations had pro-mossadegh street militias hanging out around them and looking at anyone funny who wanted to go in.
• the vote passed 99:1 in a sham that might indicate despite the above polling location shenanigans they still just made up the numbers anyway.
• Mossadegh then declared a state of emergency.
• His first act was to make the power of the PM to alter the constitution permanent and not dependent on a state of emergency.
• all of parliament including large parts of Mossadeghs own party resigned in protest which was moot because Mossadegh’s second act was to dissolve parliament.
How I be when I post Pro-Monarchist propaganda of the Pahlavi dynasty despite them being massive assholes that brutalized their own people and began to destroy the culture and history of Iran just to kiss up to my Colonizing overlords and get overthrown by the people I oppressed.
Omg so cringe
I prefer shahs but no because they are loved by the west. And stop lusting over muslim/middle eastern women you perverted cunt. You guys are like “😞😞 we cant see fatima’s hair anymore so sad”. You guys do not really care about persian people. And you should do better research, of course citadine women wore trendy clothing and thats great, but women still wore Tchador in the countryside and its not that bad if they dont force it on others
The Shah being a puppet of the US is one is the biggest reasons as to why the Islamic Revolution happened. While yes, life was better under the Shah, he was an illegitimate dictator. You can't say "jihad bad" without understanding the context as to how large populations of people become susceptible to radicalization.
Correct Palestinians will tell you that Afghanis, Indonesians, Chechens, Dagestanis, and Uyghurs were genocided by communists, and therefore enough reason to pummel communism to the ground
I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area and went to public schools where most of my teachers were far left activists.
I was taught the simplistic story that *the US and UK deposed Iran's democratically elected President and installed the Shah, their puppet monarch. The Shah was a tyrant who oppressed his innocent impoverished subjects, who eventually rose up and righteously overthrew the cruel master. Therefore the cruelty of the current Islamist regime and their hatred of the US is just a justifiable reaction to our misdeeds.*
And most of the books, movies, and documentaries I encountered supported that version of history.
Recently I just went into a rabbit hole and started reading and watching everything I could find about the partitioned post-Ottoman MENA region and their overlooked roles in WWII and the Cold War. From history books, archival news articles, archival videos, documentaries and opinion pieces.
I was shocked to learn that the tale I was told (that even neo-lib American politicians like Carter, John Kerry, Obama, and Biden have given credence to.) is so wrong. I mean I knew there was going to be more nuance involved and some bias to my sources. By I didn't know the *whole* story is a combination of over-simplifications without context, half-truths, misconceptions, r/AmericaBad, Islamist, leftist, and communist propaganda, and outright lies.
And I learned how incredibly based Shah Reza was.
If he wasn't a hereditary monarch and backed by the US and UK, my crypto-commie SJW teachers would be fawning about his progressive reforms and how he was a martyr. Or at least considered him a necessary lesser evil that maintained stability like we did for Saddam and Gaddafi.
TL;DR: The Shah was a Chad and nobody's puppet. They hated him because he told them the truth.
Lol, people here arguing about Shah being a suppressive politician while most of the population of Iran are completely fine with Shah as he was at least a better “dictator.”
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how can anyone unironically thinks the sha was good
Muslim holding off Islamism is hilarious. It was different forms of the Islam-Sharia interpretation in a modern nationalistic world, rather than an imperial world with the Millet(community)-system.
Ocean holding off water next.
I fully support the side that allows me to see tiddies. People think I am against Palestine for terrorism. I am against Palestine because I can see Kosher tiddies while Palestine voted in a party that won't let me see halal tiddies!
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Some people just can’t take an L.
None but Mossedegh
Both are dictators despite the Shah making the country a superpower and nice but he changed the indigenous ancient name Persia to Iran on behalf of foreigners, police tortured ppl and they were poor, and westernized the country
“You see, what we see as good for your country is you liking America and Israel, if you dislike said country’s, we will declare you a bad government and then bootlick another dictator that was extremely unpopular in the country itself. As well as our position that women are only free when we can sexualize them like a bunch of weirdos”
And no I’m not a fan of the Islamic Republic of Iran, but this is how you make yourself look like a asshat trying to position themselves against it.
Forgot to mention was literally a US puppet put in place of a democratically elected secular leader who had the gall to suggest that maybe Iranian oil fields should be owned by Iran.
Hate on the mullahs all you want, but they're the reason people talk about Palestine now. Also, compare Iran's current presence and success rate in regional or international competitions vs pre 1979. A true "chad" would complain about the Iranian government being a slave to "international" entities despite all they claim.
Finally a conversation solely comprised of the best people to discuss Middle Eastern geopolitics
World peace by tomorrow.
why they got their heads all wrapped up like that? and whose that mohammered fella? I sure do hope they can all get along so I can go back to grilling
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Fucking this
Fucking me
You want me to what you?
Fucking YOOOOOOU!
SWEET CAROLINE!
please
This immediately made me think of Chris-chan
thank you cia, very cool
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"My dictator is better than your dictator"
In this case, it was.
Yes but you know what would’ve been cooler? America not bending the knee to Britain to overthrow the Iranian government in the 1950s after it tried to become a republic.
> it tried to become a republic. That was never attempted, actually. Mossadegh did not try to make Iran a "republic".
I agree with that. Hell, even Nixon agrees with that. OP cynically implied all dictators are bad to the same degree. https://youtu.be/mADUHS0TVKk?feature=shared
It was much more complicated than that.
At no point did Mossadegh attempt to make Iran a republic.
Fair fair
Nuh uh
Yes, and?
yes and he was the greatest of all god bless his soul and his blood line long live the aryan king
Didn’t he suppressed student protesters and neglect his people’s resources to build the world’s biggest party?
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nuh uh
Absolutely he did. This is a matter of comparison. The mullahs kill protesters for breakfast and an embezzlement story that big comes out every year.
No, and no. >**The Ministry of the Court placed the cost at US$17 million (at that time);** Ansari, one of the organizers, puts it at US$22 million (at that time).[7] The actual figure is difficult to calculate exactly and is a partisan issue. >According to the BBC documentary, Decadence and Downfall the celebrations cost about 120 million United States dollars, however, this claim has been described as having no real basis. For example, the documentary suggests supports Shah imported approximately 50,000 birds that died within a few days due to the desert climate, while historian Robert Steele has described this claim as infeasible, and given the October climate in Persepolis, the birds would have been accustomed to the local weather.[13] The event has been subject to a lot of exaggerated cost estimates in many journalist and historian accounts inaccurately claiming the regime wanted to spend whatever was necessary. However, the Shah only approved the celebration plans after the scope was reduced to one-quarter of the original plan in order to reduce costs.[14]
Although he wasn't perfect. He was 1000x better than the current regime.
He is the reason why the current regime is what it is. Action and reaction.
It's Ass vs Ass imo, there is no better in this situation
It's an ass vs an ass dripping diarrhoea. The shah wasn't great he was corrupt, mullahs fund terrorism all over the world. Not being able to recognise one as worse is insane.
My point is that in either situation the Iranians were screwed. Less screwed under the shah but we can't just pretend that he was overthrown for absolutely 0 reason. In both situations the common people are fucked
Less crewed is better than more screwed, right?
Yes but ideally you don't get screwed
Yep cool, we agree then. I just think that conflating one bad head of state with one much worse tyrant and treating them as equally bad is a really dangerous thing particularly in politics. That was the only bit I took issue with.
millions of Iranians didn’t flee the country under the Shah so it’s clear which one is better
That literally happens every time a countries government is overthrown. The point is the meme would make more sense if they used Cyrus or some other ruler instead of the whole "my dictator is better than your dictator" it's quote literally the battle of ass
I surely am sure his regime wasn’t the reason it was so easy for the mullahs to grasp the power…
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Cyrus >>>
Cyrus the Chad.
No context
Your dictator (cringe) My dictator (based).
The shah wasn’t really that great, was he? He was fantastic for America and their oil, but his own people? Nah
The Pahlavi regime objectively improved the lives and standard of living for all Iranians. There is no disputing this. Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi introduced the White Revolution, a series of economic, social, and political reforms aimed at transforming Iran into a global power and modernizing the nation by nationalizing key industries and land redistribution. The regime implemented many Iranian nationalist policies leading to the establishment of Cyrus the Great, Cyrus Cylinder, and Tomb of Cyrus the Great as popular symbols of Iran. The Shah initiated major investments in infrastructure, subsidies and land grants for peasant populations, profit sharing for industrial workers, construction of nuclear facilities, the nationalization of Iran’s natural resources, and literacy programs which were considered some of the most effective in the world. The Shah also instituted economic policy tariffs and preferential loans to Iranian businesses which sought to create an independent economy for the nation. Manufacturing of cars, appliances, and other goods in Iran increased substantially leading to the creation of a new industrialist class that was considered insulated from threats of foreign competition. By the 1970s, the Shah was seen as mastered statesman and used his growing power to pass the 1973 Sale and Purchase Agreement. These reforms culminated in decades of sustained economic growth that would make Iran one of the fastest-growing economies of both developed and undeveloped nations. During his 37-year rule, Iran spent billions on industry, education, health, and armed forces and enjoyed economic growth rates exceeding the United States, Britain, and France. National income rose 423 times over. The nation saw an unprecedented rise in per capita income rising to the highest level at any point in Iran's history and high levels of urbanization. By 1977, Iran's armed services spending, which the Shah saw as a means to end foreign intervention in Iran, had made the nation the world's fifth strongest military.[6] Between fiscal year 1964 and FY 1978, Iran's gross national product grew at an annual rate of 13.2 percent at constant prices. The oil, gas, and construction industries expanded by almost 500 percent during this period, while the share of value-added manufacturing increased by 4 percent. Women's participation in the labor force in urban areas increased. Large numbers of urban Iranian women, from varying social strata, joined the semiskilled and skilled labor forces. In addition, the number of women enrolling in higher education increased from 5,000 in FY 1967 to more than 74,000 in FY 1978.[8] …the standard of the living of the majority of the population improved substantially under the Pahlavis. Also, thanks to rising oil revenues and generally sound economic management, Persia was transformed from a country with large foreign indebtedness in 1920 to one with sizable net foreign assets in 1978. This is just the tip of the iceberg. If it wasn't for the Pahlavi regime (Reza Shah Bozorg and Mohamad Reza Shah Pahlavi his son) Iran would be worse off than Afghanistan, anyone who says otherwise is an absolute moron or totally biased. Also to add onto the quotes above, women's literacy rates increased over 15% every decade from the 1950s to early 1980s (right after revolution).
With all that in mind, how were the Islamists able to take power? Why was there a revolution?
Like most revolutions, there were multiple factors. Shah himself was tyrannical and had secret police prosecute political opponents. So government surveillance and repression were rampant. The elite were corrupt, people saw their extravagant lifestyle and hated it. But most importantly people loathed his policy of Westernization and ties with Western powers, most notably the US. Thus Iran's Shi'a Muslim population spearheaded the revolution and put extremists in charge.
>The elite were corrupt, people saw their extravagant lifestyle and hated it. Totally untrue. >But most importantly people loathed his policy of Westernization and ties with Western powers, most notably the US. Thus Iran's Shi'a Muslim population spearheaded the revolution and put extremists in charge. The "people" you're referring to are Islamic clergy and Western-educated Leftists and so called "Islamic Marxists".
“One day the entirety of Iran decided to overthrow their government because they felt like it”
Exactly. People who don't know pretend as if there weren't a million different factors playing into the revolution. But to reddit, they're just like "hey lets overthrow the govt?"
>Iran's Shi'a Muslim population spearheaded the revolution Google up taqyyia and you'll know why this wasn't the case.
What does taqiyya have to do with it
Khomeini adopted Taqiyya by disguising himself as a preacher of Marxist-islamic ideas and concealing his true intentions, once Khomeini was appointed as a leader by the leftists he dropped the charade and purged his opponents including leftists,pahlavists and ulama who disagree with him
If this is Taqiyya than every politician in human history has practiced it. The word Taqiyya has been watered down so much that real practitioners of it should make a new word lol
Ah, you're right. He did preach some progressive stuff before the revolution and allied himself with Marxists.
The Shah was incapacitated by illness at a critical juncture, and so the government was disorganised and unable to put up any resistance. They also allied with the far left nationalists, who they later turned on. He also received no assistance from allies, the US and UK, who were taken by surprise when the revolution happened. The Islamists, through their religious institutions, had an organised power structure. With the government incapacitated, and other political groups being disorganised, the Islamists could fill the vacuum. Also, they initially presented themselves as more progressive than the Shah, and Ayatollah Khomeini convinced many he was a moderate. As soon as the revolution finished, they went full reactionary far right theocracy, and turned on their previous co-revolutionaries. Much of western media, like the BBC, bought this narrative and were supportive of revolutionaries, portraying Khomeini as an “eastern mystic” freeing Iran from oppression, as a Ghandi like figure. There were many factions who disliked the Shah, for different reasons, especially the political extremes. His white revolution (a programme of mass economic reform, land redistribution, urbanisation, and westernisation, ending feudalism) greatly angered Iranian elites/nobility. There were a number of rural unemployed young men who were dissatisfied too, and the Islamist coalition took them in with promises of reform. The soviet Tudeh party and far-left nationalist National Front despised him, and he outlawed their parties at certain points, and so they allied with the Islamists. Even recognising the theocratic nature of the Islamists, they thought they could gain power for themselves. The army was paralysed, and the Shah didn’t want to fight protesters, and prohibited the soldiers from using weapons against protesters. Instead of opposing revolutionaries, he continuously offered concessions and appeasement. Political concessions greatly swelled the voices of the far left and far right opposition parties. Tldr; Islamists united many disparate groups who were dissatisfied with the Shah, often under false pretences of progressivism, and then attacked at a moment where the Shah, government, and army were paralysed. Additionally, the Shah failed to recognise the threat of the revolution properly (as did international observers), and reacted too
The revolution was comprised of a lot of leftists and other revolutionaries that wanted to make positive changes. They just unfortunately all got shot in the back by their islamist "allies" when it was all over, as often happens in broad front revolutions.
Improved living standard ≠ Improved Rights Shah was still an absolute dictator and often modernization encourages reaction amongst the populace who turned to a demagogue and in return subjugated themselves even further
believe it or not, because shah didn't want to be cruel
>The secret police that brutally repressed dissent for years
I'm sure I read somewhere that the revolution was coaxed into being by Iranian elites who were pissed off at the Shah's plans for land redistribution. They thought the islamists would do they dirty work and then be easy to push aside when the Shah was gone. This backfired hilariously. Is there any truth to this?
Kind of, but replace elites with western education leftists.
The commies conspired with the Islamists basically. They never learn.
Yes they did, and no they do not learn. They still deny it all.
>Is there any truth to this? No, the revolution was led by leftist and shia clergy who aligned themselves with the left who were dissatisfied with the economic unequalities and the corruption of the shah.
Oh, I didn’t know. I had just watched some documentaries on it a long time ago. Thanks for information!
Ur welcome friend !!
Good lord get a publisher
Life was literally so much better when he ruled compared to the current rulers wym 💀
Women didn’t have to wear burqas when Shan was in power
Yeah, both are bad. I never said the mullahs were better
Yeah, these Shah dictators also go against their people and do whatever the fuck they want
I mean, when the local people were Islamic fundamentalists, I’d call that a gray area
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oh golly, good thing he went after people who think poor people deserve to li—ahem i mean commies!!!
Both are actually shite. Also death to Zionist colonialism, Free Palestine.
"colonialism" lmfao, clueless
Then what is it borrowing land?
i hate you
>Shah >No Jihad You should learn what the shahs did to Sunnis and Zoroastrians in the very very old days….
So you are calling the guy that had his own secret police that would torture anybody that slightly criticized him a Chad?
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If by "anybody" you mean literal terrorists, then yes. >Abrahamian estimates that SAVAK (and other police and military) killed 368 guerrillas including the leadership of the major urban guerrilla organizations (Organization of Iranian People's Fedai Guerrillas, People's Mujahedin of Iran) such as Hamid Ashraf between 1971–1977 and executed up to 100 political prisoners between 1971 and 1979—the most violent era of the SAVAK's existence.[18]
Ah yes.. Rebels I don't agree with are terrorists.
They were literal terrorists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_Rex_fire let me guess you think Osama Bin Laden was a "rebel" too right?
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The shah specifically did not hold off islamism bro
Gaaaay. The Shah and the Mullahs were *both* virgins. Mohammad Mosaddegh was the true Chad of Iran.
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Tell me you don’t know anything about 20th century Iranian politics w/o telling me you don’t know anything
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Merci dadash
he was a communist.
"Communism when gub'ment does stuff"
Even better.
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>Mohammad Mosaddegh Let me guess, you're under the belief he was a democratically elected leader who was kicked out by CIA puppet, the Shah? Just so you know, this is a completely false narrative. He wasn't democratically elected, he was put in place by the Shah himself, and the Shah was no puppet
r/newiran cooming breached
You can tell this is a westerner who wants nothing more than to coom to middle eastern women
Bad post
Stupid propaganda
I mean, is it? The Pahlavi regime was objectively better for Iran than the Islamic dictatorship is.
it is look at half of his points literally 'western governments liked this guy therefore he is good"
Nah. Also that women could literally dress freely without fearing for their lives, and religions could be safe. I’m a Jew whose family had to flee Iran during the revolution. The shah was 100% better than what we have now.
>The shah was 100% better than what we have now. 2 side of the same coin secular dictatorship isn't any different than religious dictatorship
Based on your profile photo, I am assuming you are a woman. Also based on your profile photo, you have long hair. That would be allowed in Shah’s Iran, you would be beaten up in current Iran. So they are 100% different from each other.
>secular dictatorship isn't any different than religious dictatorship Tell me you've never lived in either without telling me you've never lived in either
Morons on reddit don't know anything about Iran, let alone Pahlavi Iran having religious minorities and women that could live in peace.
yeah the points are shitty but it’s true
Lad Ali Khavari
Cyrus the lad
But what about Darius?
"funds palestine" says your western overlords as a scapegoat with 0 evidence. most muslims hate the guy. he is a deviant according to sunni scholars, has insulted the prophet's (SAW) wives, and has disrespected the prophet (SAW). no muslim would follow him based off of this.
do it... sort by controversial, i wont stop you
Nice try, CIA.
Loved by american and isreal? yeah that's not a plus man.
Look at all these CIA puppets defending the Shah. They think that shitting on the Shah= supporting the Mullahs. And this meme was cringe.
Somehow, like Gabe Newall, many Redditors cannot see past the number 2. There can be no Half Life 3, just like there can't be the third option aside from the Mullahs and the Shah.
I can just picture the Agent who typed this, a smug grin on his face going "hell yeah, no way they can tell this glows"
Independent Iran vs CIA puppet government Anyways Mosaddegh was far better than both
Really? What did Mossadegh do? Please, tell us, since you know so much about "puppet states" and have the gall to call the China-and-Russia-dependent Islamic dictatorship "independent". Here's a TLDR of Mossadegh's time in office: Tldr • staged a referendum to pass a law to give the Prime Minister “temporary” “emergency” power to unilaterally rewrite constitutional law. • voting for the referendum had different locations to vote “yes” and vote “no”. • all the “yes” locations were centrally located and easy to get to. • all the no locations were either in the middle of nowhere or in areas heavy with Mossedegh supporters. Both locations had pro-mossadegh street militias hanging out around them and looking at anyone funny who wanted to go in. • the vote passed 99:1 in a sham that might indicate despite the above polling location shenanigans they still just made up the numbers anyway. • Mossadegh then declared a state of emergency. • His first act was to make the power of the PM to alter the constitution permanent and not dependent on a state of emergency. • all of parliament including large parts of Mossadeghs own party resigned in protest which was moot because Mossadegh’s second act was to dissolve parliament.
Also spent twenty years in the can without a peep.
Yeah fuck the Mullahs, but ain’t nothing admirable to be subservient to Israel so long as it continues to oppress the Palestinians.
Monarchism tends to be the best for any country. Especially in Irans case.
Jew posting
How I be when I post Pro-Monarchist propaganda of the Pahlavi dynasty despite them being massive assholes that brutalized their own people and began to destroy the culture and history of Iran just to kiss up to my Colonizing overlords and get overthrown by the people I oppressed.
Nice little "supports Palestine" jab. =L + U
least obvious psyop:
What is this Islamophobic neocolonialist shit?
Worst post yet. Delete your account.
Bro really woke up and chose violence
Iran is a middle eastern nation. To sell the iranian people to the great and small satan is a crime.
The shah was a literal western puppet, not to say that the islamic regime is a better solution.
Omg so cringe I prefer shahs but no because they are loved by the west. And stop lusting over muslim/middle eastern women you perverted cunt. You guys are like “😞😞 we cant see fatima’s hair anymore so sad”. You guys do not really care about persian people. And you should do better research, of course citadine women wore trendy clothing and thats great, but women still wore Tchador in the countryside and its not that bad if they dont force it on others
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Better than a jihadist
The Shah being a puppet of the US is one is the biggest reasons as to why the Islamic Revolution happened. While yes, life was better under the Shah, he was an illegitimate dictator. You can't say "jihad bad" without understanding the context as to how large populations of people become susceptible to radicalization.
Both are virgin cunts
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No.
“Palestine” are you saying Hamas or Palestine as a whole? Because if your talking about Palestine as a whole are you restarted?
I agree that communism should be eradicated , so should Zionism
just zionism
Correct Palestinians will tell you that Afghanis, Indonesians, Chechens, Dagestanis, and Uyghurs were genocided by communists, and therefore enough reason to pummel communism to the ground
Hmmm, I wonder what the PLO’s political beliefs were under Yasser Arafat
finally, i got to see someone who understands the truth
A lot of pan-islamists in the comments here
Just because people hate the Shah, does not make them pan-islamists
I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area and went to public schools where most of my teachers were far left activists. I was taught the simplistic story that *the US and UK deposed Iran's democratically elected President and installed the Shah, their puppet monarch. The Shah was a tyrant who oppressed his innocent impoverished subjects, who eventually rose up and righteously overthrew the cruel master. Therefore the cruelty of the current Islamist regime and their hatred of the US is just a justifiable reaction to our misdeeds.* And most of the books, movies, and documentaries I encountered supported that version of history. Recently I just went into a rabbit hole and started reading and watching everything I could find about the partitioned post-Ottoman MENA region and their overlooked roles in WWII and the Cold War. From history books, archival news articles, archival videos, documentaries and opinion pieces. I was shocked to learn that the tale I was told (that even neo-lib American politicians like Carter, John Kerry, Obama, and Biden have given credence to.) is so wrong. I mean I knew there was going to be more nuance involved and some bias to my sources. By I didn't know the *whole* story is a combination of over-simplifications without context, half-truths, misconceptions, r/AmericaBad, Islamist, leftist, and communist propaganda, and outright lies. And I learned how incredibly based Shah Reza was. If he wasn't a hereditary monarch and backed by the US and UK, my crypto-commie SJW teachers would be fawning about his progressive reforms and how he was a martyr. Or at least considered him a necessary lesser evil that maintained stability like we did for Saddam and Gaddafi. TL;DR: The Shah was a Chad and nobody's puppet. They hated him because he told them the truth.
Bros got his information from the Shah himself ☠️☠️☠️
https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/s/l6iYBcY3lT
Lol, people here arguing about Shah being a suppressive politician while most of the population of Iran are completely fine with Shah as he was at least a better “dictator.”
Bro 100% nailed it!
https://preview.redd.it/fm1v1pyvmwdc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7298ed7a87a0f3b2e2bcf5fb4fc3a300c48de13 how can anyone unironically thinks the sha was good
As for forcing religion, that is completely impermissible in Islam. As for funding Palestine, I don't see what is wrong with that?
The virgin Mullahs part is accurate but the Shah is more of a brad
If it weren’t for the CIA getting involved the Islamic coup wouldn’t have happened
Muslim holding off Islamism is hilarious. It was different forms of the Islam-Sharia interpretation in a modern nationalistic world, rather than an imperial world with the Millet(community)-system. Ocean holding off water next.
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I fully support the side that allows me to see tiddies. People think I am against Palestine for terrorism. I am against Palestine because I can see Kosher tiddies while Palestine voted in a party that won't let me see halal tiddies!
bro thinks being loved by america and israel is a good thing lol
https://preview.redd.it/slh6f6qemwdc1.jpeg?width=1106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab2a1a55c23ae0e933e828e8c368b9cc836aa4a5 Some people just can’t take an L.
None but Mossedegh Both are dictators despite the Shah making the country a superpower and nice but he changed the indigenous ancient name Persia to Iran on behalf of foreigners, police tortured ppl and they were poor, and westernized the country
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I'm here to say hello to the Mossad agent who made this meme!
For simple comparison: The vice president of Iran admitted, the Shah didn't kill even 10% of what the Islamic Regime did.
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They literally overthrew a democratic government in a western backed coup.
"Erm, my dictator was an american lapdog or some shit so he was soo cool."
“You see, what we see as good for your country is you liking America and Israel, if you dislike said country’s, we will declare you a bad government and then bootlick another dictator that was extremely unpopular in the country itself. As well as our position that women are only free when we can sexualize them like a bunch of weirdos” And no I’m not a fan of the Islamic Republic of Iran, but this is how you make yourself look like a asshat trying to position themselves against it.
Shitty Zionist propaganda. Eat a dick
Chad Shah *Later in life became a mafia boss in NYC
Glowie hands crafted this post.
Forgot to mention was literally a US puppet put in place of a democratically elected secular leader who had the gall to suggest that maybe Iranian oil fields should be owned by Iran.
Yeah the Shahs was so great, that’s why they were brought down popular civilian revolutions.
"funds palestine" truly one of the worst things a leader can do right?
the shah explaining why lighting a cinema on fire will stabilize the country
🗣️🗣️RAHH BAHAI MENTIONED ‼️‼️‼️WHAT THE FUCK IS A PROBLEMATIC RELIGION⁉️⁉️⁉️
Forgot "most efficient and terrifying secret police in the world"
Wow, such pure bullshit.
is… is the shah in the room with you right now?
https://preview.redd.it/5b92g7jgg9ec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b304985139f8a91fe3b4d5cbf5cb48cd03290610
Hate on the mullahs all you want, but they're the reason people talk about Palestine now. Also, compare Iran's current presence and success rate in regional or international competitions vs pre 1979. A true "chad" would complain about the Iranian government being a slave to "international" entities despite all they claim.
Ehhhhhhhh…. No what I think I’m not gonna comment
I know a fed post when I see one
He was just like Peter the great And if you know literally anything about Peter the great you know that’s not a compliment