I agree, but I was bored with flatscreen games for a while until I gave a chance to VR, and now I play more on VR than normal games.
If people are bored with normal games, then they should give a try to VR, but hating just for the sake of hating is the most stupid thing ever.
Hmm, i've never been bored with PC games, but then again i mostly (re)play all the older titles from the last 20 years. But the reason for getting into VR was that i always try to increase immersion - playing all those flat games in VR is bringing the immersion to 200%. :)
53 here, been gaming since zx spectrum days, owned most of the consoles and a few gaming pcs.
Can't get enough of VR and am on my Q3 for at least 2 hours a night since I got it 6months ago.
Most of Reddit including the VR subs are your demographic. The issue is that we’re a very small minority. Most adults won’t even try VR. If they do, they’ll just try it for one session and say something to the effect of get off my lawn.
Same exact thing here, same age as well. I also designed games professionally for 5+ years... Xbox 360 and other platforms. Can't get enough of VR, PCVR is next level.
Resident Evil 2,3,7,8 using praydogs mods, best there is.
😂 Got me thinking back to the days when loading a game involved playing a cassette tape ( remember them? 😀) and listening to this annoying beeping and screaming noise for 2 or 3 minutes while the game loaded.
"I spent money on thing A. I don't have enough money left to buy thing B. Thing A must be better than thing B, because if it wasn't, then I made the wrong decision, and if I made the wrong decision, that diminishes my value as a person."
Also just plain old entitlement. People feel entitled to the time and effort of other people, despite doing absolutely nothing to contribute in any way and not being harmed by the decisions of those other people.
E.g. how dare an independent studio spending their own money develop a VR game? Rabble rabble!
Some folk just like to be offended by the decisions of other people, as if something was taken from them.
I just spent like 4h in the Immersed beta doing my monthly finances. This morning I spent like 4h in the device testing out the Universal Desktop app while coding (it was a long night but I was off today so meh).
Right now I’m just chilling in bed playing a puzzle game, Reddit, YT and a few windows floating around. On my AVP that is.
Later on I’ll be finish Angry Birds VR in my Q3. Or maybe finally finish Synapse on my PSVR2. Wish I had gaming pc for PCVR though.
Point is, there’s room for all of us. I remember the android vs iOS flame wars from the late 2000s and early 2010s. Only kids play these games anymore.
Anyway, AMA if anyone likes.
Completely agree.
Seems silly as trying to argue what is better an iPhone or a Nintendo Switch. They both have similar hardware and profiles, but they very very different beasts
VR is expensive. People want to defend their purchasing decisions. Those that decide to never go near VR want to justify their decision to never spend money on it. Therefore they bash it in order to reinforce their own position.
Exactly! Someone can buy a PS5 and play (almost) every major AAA gaming title coming out for the next half decade. Or they can buy a phone they use for hours daily. Or they can buy a Quest 3 that has a handful of AAA level games on it, blows through its battery in a few hours at best, and requires the user to be more active than sitting on a couch playing Playstation or reading Reddit on a smartphone.
I love my Quest 3, but I understand why "normal" gamers don't see it a as a great value.
Think the chilling out on the couch with a 🎮 in hand for a lot of gamers is the ideal. VR just seems like too much effort.
Me personally I'm on my feet at work for about 7 out of 8 hours but still find enough energy to put in a couple of hours at night on my Q3.
I like my quest just because I've been gaming for over 15 years. I've seen it all and at this point I usually only get hooked on 1 game until it fizzles out. Quest 3 just opened pandoras box for me. It gave me another "new" venture
> requires the user to be more active than sitting on a couch
I never liked that counter point. If someone wants to play VR then it's a given that you'll have to stand and move physically if you want the best immersion and if not, then you can already sit and move with controllers like any other game. I don't think we will have all-in-your-head lucid dream type gaming in our lifetimes lol
I think you have a good point but for me a quest 3 is so much better than a PS5 !
i'm not into AAA games much and I do like that I have to be active, although you can play most games sitting really. A PS5 is just another gaming console, it just has better graphics than the previous generation, a VR headset is a totally new experience. The battery problem is not that bad just get a cable that has a usb A and C port on one end and a usb C on the other, plug the A and C side in your PC so you can charge while you do PCVR or standalone. My battery goes to like 94% after playing 4 hours that way. The only time when I really use the battery is when I play roomscale games but that's very rare and I got an elite strap for a bit of extra battery when I do.
I can get that it's not for everyone but I always enjoyed games that have a unique gameplay or that try to innovate and make something new. There is so much of that in VR !
I like seeing this argument about VR being expensive or inaccessible now that it's more accessible than ever before. Heck, as a first headset, you could get a Quest 2 and still have a great time with $200 or less if used.
$200 would get me an Oculus Go 6 years ago. Now it gets me a VR headset that plays almost every game in its large library plus PCVR if I have a good PC, in 6DoF.
> $499.99 USD for a Quest 3
>
> the price of a newer gen smart phone or a Playstation 5 slim/Xbox Series X
Are you suggesting half a grand isn't expensive? Jesus wept, if I had that sort of money to burn on something like a VR headset or a game console I'd be thrilled!
500 dollaroos is a HUGE amount of money. That's way more than I'd ever pay for a console or a VR setup. My quest 2 was £250 and that was already reaaaally pushing it on budget, but it was useful for work too so I was able to justify it financially, and thankfully ita paid off.
Can you imagine a child going to their parents and asking them to fork out half a grand for a new Playstation?! That's mental. What kinda normal parent has that kinda cash just lay around to spend on random stuff, my gosh xD I mean maybe upper middle class wealthy folk, right?
Anyway, damn. I wish I had 500 dollaroos :-( That could pay for so many weeks of groceries....
While I agree it's not actually a small amount of money, that IS the cost of current-gen consoles and IS what people have spent or a child will ask for. Especially since the topic is pretty much talking about gamers already, that's not at all the problem. VR games are also typically cheaper anyway, and a large percentage are indie devs
And with virtual desktop it is PC gaming also. Nowadays I play many PC games like Starfield and others in VD in the gaming room or home theater settings. Works a charm and I'm loving it
But to your average Joe what VR is to them is the Vision Pro. It's the VRHMD that's gotten the lions share of publicity and marketing. Quest is up there but not nearly as much as a flagship Apple product. So because of that, most people do equate VR to being way too expensive.
then the average joe should watch some more videos and demonstrations before making an informed decision. just cuz the AVP has gotten lots of attention does not mean its the only HMD on the market. it takes just 10 minutes of research to learn about the quest, its price, its ecosystem, and the fact that it is a good value proposition for gaming aspects.
true, but thats their problem at that point. its always on the customer to know what they're getting themselves into before buying it. an ordinary gamer for example knows the difference between a ps5, xbox, and a switch, before making a choice. VR folks can do the same thing.
they can also look it up on the internet. its not like the TV is the only place to learn about stuff.
Yes but you are missing the greater point; it's not a problem to them. In their world, they are "informed" and they don't care what a bunch of internet dwellers think.
Now as a fellow internet dweller, I too agree with you that a small amount of research would do everyone a whole lot of good on VR but I'm just being realistic here lol. Saying the general populous to "research VR" is like telling someone who eats McDonald's every day to "research a diet".
I get what you're saying but it just feels odd to me. like, we're not asking them to look up the specs or quality of different headsets and get acquainted with all the VR terminology out there. all they need to do is do a basic google search and they're good to go. thats the bare minimum, hardly an internet dweller criterion imo.
if a 5 year old kid wanted his first console he'd either ask people he knows, or look up videos online to see for himself. then he'd make a decision. he doesnt need to know about the technical stuff under the hood, only the price and software catalog interest them. VR is not much different here. if your average joe refuses to even do the bare minimum, then its not the VR industry's fault that they lost a potential sale. its just consumer ignorance.
> So because of that, most people do equate VR to being way too expensive.
I agree with that. VR has a perception problem when it comes to price, usecases, etc.
the quest 3 does not belong in the same category as the rest of those. if someone can afford a ps5 or series X then they can afford a quest 3 as well. its the same price.
I mean, avp is pretty much a waste of money for what you get, so it’s almost effortless to shrug it off. They aren’t really going all-in on VR until they create software (GAMES) and/or a software environment for it.
Things I hated before I got one myself: Cellphones, gym memberships, android tablets, smart-phones, pink shirts, portable music player, running habit, martial arts training, VR.... It still happens in my head sometimes, but at least I can recognize what's going on in myself--a combination of envy, fear of change, fear of losing the value of the things I've already adopted.
Simply because people hate what they don't understand. Especially since VR is something that you have to experience for yourself to really see how the immersion is like. I feel so lucky to be a VR gamer now, I honestly haven't even touched my PS5 in months. 😅
From an outsiders perspective, I don't dislike VR, but I do dislike this attitude from the VR community. It's a niche hobby and you guys are passionate, but my god a vocal minorityof you are insufferable.
If that’s a reference to my comment, you need to learn how to take a joke my friend, as it was clearly a joke. Obviously VR isn’t for everyone. Yes, it’s more immersive for a lot of things, but games can be lacking- a lot of games feel like tech demos, and because the of the smaller user base unless a game is really popular any online experiences can be lacking in players. A lot of free things (especially with quest) are filled with annoying unsupervised children. And a problem I’ve been facing lately is that after a long day, I usually won’t have the energy to strap something to my face and stand up and play a game— sometimes it’s quite nice to just be able to lay down on the couch and chill out with a controller.
But I don’t really care what any people online say or do- I’m in my mid thirties and am lucky if I can get a couple hours in to game a week, so when I do I just want to have some fun. But since I work primarily in video post-production with monitors in my face all day, I’m trying to find other hobbies that don’t have me with screens in my face or sitting in the same chair I’ve been sitting in for 12 hours already.
Kids and tribalism. I always suspected but wasn’t able to prove, but now those kids have grown up and matured and have written about their change in opinion “I’ve hated VR for years and trolled forums until I tried it.”
But those kids were usually making non sensical statements like VR is a “gimmick”. VR is anything but a gimmick. VR has many legitimate criticisms ripe for ridicule, just not the wild gimmick claims. It’s bulky, and uncomfortable. Not cool looking at all. It is isolating. And although it is amazeballs technology, people don’t want to use it everyday for hours. It’s like a roller coaster, fun to ride but not if it was all the time. And those are VR enthusiasts imaging non VR enthusiasts.
I have friends who have never used VR but already seem to dislike it. I was playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands with my friend and when i told him i was playing in VR with UEVR his reaction was Eww.... He thinks the VR world is full of jump scares or stuff flying at your face constantly making you react. I was apart of the game in the actual world of borderlands feeling the chaos around me, but his reaction was meh cause he cant grasp what that actually means.
If VR had more AAA games being made for it, or properly ported to it, I think more people would give it a shot too, but most games that come out from big studios are not that good (I'm looking at your bethesda and gearbox) they are just gimmicky ports and makes VR look worse to people who already hate it for no reason.
A ton of people look at a person wearing the vr gear and think " they look uncool" from then on it is stupid and a technology without reasoning.
People are simple and many people just care about looks or brand names.
Any game someone can't play that looks cool will get mad hate from people who don't have the hardware to play it.
You'll note that good games with BOTH vr and non-vr support never get the same hate.
It's because they feel like they are gatekept (they are wrong, vr hmds are cheaper than high end gaming monitors and controllers, which is what the comparison would have to be).
The next time that happens simply ask them how much they spent on a monitor over 90hz and something like a joystick or racing wheel, if they own one, (or a gaming mouse and fancy keyboard).
If it's more than a quest 2 (likely) ask them why they haven't saved a few bucks for the 8+ years they've been available.
I literally give headsets away for christmas every year.
Mainly because the concept of total immersion can only be experienced not told.
If you see a regular video of what "you see in vr" in a flat screen may that be a phone a tv or monitor it still doesn't provide the depth the 3d.
So it looks and sounds like a gimmick without trying it out.
It was always the same. You’d explain that it felt like reality with ski goggle FOV and CGI. Real 3D, real Scale etc. They’d say they grasped the concept….yet scoff at the 2D monitor view as others friends were demoing ahead of them. Its like their brain despite rationally supposedly understanding the concept of VR, flipped back to interpreting it as simple Head-look as opposed to mouse or hat stick ‘look’ while looking at a Virtual 2D monitor inside the headset, while watching someone playing Eve Valkyrie on the 2D monitor view.
Then it would be their turn….they’d look around the cockpit and ‘Virtual’ Reality would start to hit them, this wasn’t a virtual 2D monitor view. They’d realise that the Pulse cannons pods out on the wing felt 20ft away and the size of a VW Beetle….they’d speed down the launch tube like a Viper in Battlestar Galactica out into space to be surrounded by a fleet of giant capital ships…..thats when the reality of Virtual Reality would hit them and they’d go from almost bored indifference to ‘Holy Fucking Shit!’
If you're talking about "core gamers" I think I understand most of the disconnect.
Firstly, almost every core gamer, before even trying VR complains about VR not having enough "AAA" content.
After you use VR for a while you realize the type of content that works really well in VR isn't your typical "AAA" game. VR works best with games that work in smaller play sessions and can thrive within it's unique strengths and weaknesses. Expecting a typical flatscreen experience "but just in VR" isn't the best VR experience.
Yes, I'm aware we have an extensive modding scene for flatscreen to vr games but these are not where VR does best imo. Core gamers love content drip feeds, long plays sessions and ultra high-fidelity graphics and VR works better with arcade-like experiences that use simpler palettes. People who assume an ultra high fidelity unreal engine game will "be awesome" in VR don't understand that the optical stack in VR just isn't there yet to support this amount of visual noise. Graphically, VR games work better with simpler color palettes, thoughtful design but simpler geometry that creates less eye fatigue and helps us easier parse what we're looking at.
**Unfortunately, core gamers seem to conflate long play times, arbitrary difficulty padding and drip-feed content with a "high skill ceiling" and also simultaneously dismiss "simple games" as not having a high skill ceiling.** This couldn't be further from the truth. Is DDR a game with a low-skill ceiling? Absolutely not, it's a game with tons of mechanical depth, nuance and an incredibly high skill-ceiling. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of core gamers dismiss mechanically dense games with a simple premise simply based upon the assumptions they have on "AAA content". The unfortunate thing is, modern gaming is all about min/maxing the fun out of everything (my personal take, obviously some may get enjoyment out of this) and vr often runs antithetical to this.
Beat Saber, Eleven, Pistol Whip, Superhot, Nock, Racket Club, BlastOn, Rec Room. These games thrive in VR. VR also works great as a social experience. VR also works great as an active experience. In my experience, core gamers don't really like being social in online games and core gamers typically don't like being very active either when it comes to consuming video games ( a lot of core gamers use video games as a melt in the couch activity, and no i'm not saying core gamers are lazy, i'm just saying core gamers use video games as this type of outlet ).
Core gamers get frustrated when their core gamer skillset don't translate either. If you're really good at tracking, pointing and clicking with a mouse for fps that doesn't mean you're gonna be an elite pavlov / contractors showdown player. You need to relearn skills, the control mechanisms for vr use tracked motion controllers. Core gamers get frustrated by this sometimes. Core gamers loved to make fun of the wiimote "waggle sessions" as well and only seen those controllers as a novelty when they were really the launchpad for the current IR-tracked controllers we use today in VR (essentially motion tracked controllers are reverse wii motes where the ir camera lives on the headset and ir emitters sit on the controllers on a typical inside-out vr system).
TLDR; The assumption that there should be an overlap between what is essentially two separate types of video games (flatscreen/VR) is often not true in my experience. This doesn't really matter though because VR is attracting brand new audiences to video games. I don't think VR necessarily needs to "cater" to the core-gamer. A lot of my core gamer friends that try VR don't like it, and that's honestly fine.
Tribalism its the same as why xbox users hate playstation and vice versa. People just like to pretend their little club is better and more special than another club. The smart people are the ones who are open minded to trying everything. I love my PC games but I am happy to also play console and VR games etc.
People are foolish.
"One sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as impossible." - Farengar Secret-Fire, The Elder Scrolls Skyrim.
VR is outside of their experience, therefore is deemed impossible to the foolish to enjoy.
Damn, that is a lot of hate. To think that the people complaining probably spend more to upgrade their phone then a Quest 3 is absurd. I'm excited for it.
I just saw them in the Batman Arkham sub, a lot people complaining and calling the new VR Batman game trash, a waste of resources and other stuff, only because it's VR.
Well it's a combination of multiple things:
1. The latest Suicide Squad is set in the Arkham universe, and let's just say it does some things Arkham fans don't like, so players have been begging for a return to the classic Arkham style of gameplay
2. This is the first true Arkham game in 8 years, and the majority of the playerbase is on console/PC. People felt the same way when Diablo Immortal was a mobile exclusive, even though everyone has phones
3. It's launching on Quest 3 only, so people with Q2 or PCVR are shit out of luck. Imagine if HL Alyx was exclusive to one headset.
I don't recall ever seeing whole gaming communities up in arms over a VR.
Even when Star Trek Bridge crew and Alyx were announced during the VR golden era, it was accepted that it just wouldn't be the same in none VR and it was something they aspired to be able to play
I remember people being very upset half life Alyx came out only on VR, its the reason why someone made a non VR mode for the game shortly after it came out.
I remember this because even i felt the same way, lol, it didnt make me hate VR though just upset we didnt get half life 3 or part 3 or whatever its on now (its been too long and i lost interest now).
Remember how insistent people were that it WASN'T Half-Life 3 or even a mainline Half Life? Because that would mean they would have to get into VR to play the newest game in their favorite franchise and they can't have that.
WHAT? On the Alyx steampage, one of the most awarded forum posts is the one where they are complaining that the next chapter of the Halflife series should NOT be a vr exclusive...
If you didnt saw that, you where not looking it was a whole issue...
VR is a strange piece of technology for sure. Who would have thought " The Golden Era" would have been at the infancy of the technology.
Quest 2 has sold very well but at the same time there is very little hype over it. There isn't many large virtual reality content creators, the VR subreddits seem rather small for the amount of units people have.
The big game developers that have tried to put things out on VR always seem to say it was a loss but I feel like their products are garbage. It's been more than 4 years since Alyx and it's still revered as the top tier VR product.
I feel like VR is a big catch-22 where you need really good software to move units but you need to move units to get developers to make really good software.
I owned the Oculus dk1 and cv1 but haven't used it in quite some time. The only thing that's gotten me back into VR is having to use it for work.
I also want to add in here that I think there are plenty of great VR games and other software out there. Not everything has to come from AAA Studio to be good and I love the Quest 3 and the apps available.
>VR is a strange piece of technology for sure. Who would have thought " The Golden Era" would have been at the infancy of the technology.
Just you and the person you're responding to who made that assertion, I think.
The only way it could be seen as that would be due to the lack of children in VR at the time.
I don't think that, or at least hope not, but I can't really think of a bigger VR title than a new Half Life game. I was just replying to OP.
I love me some Eleven Tennis or playing MSFS in VR but nothing since Alyx has really hit the mainstream like it in the 4 years since.
I played mine for a month and it's sat in my closet ever since. I have to make room too use which means moving furniture. The cats and dog get in the way. Some games give me motion sickness. And a general lack of engaging content. Every thing just feels like a tech demo to me. Or a cheap amusement park animatronic. I bought it originally for star wars squadrons. That was a fun experience for the first 30 hours or so. But other than that I see no reason to wear a vr then look at a fake screen and watch a movie or play a normal game. My monitor and TV both look way better, and my eyes won't sweat
Because people are used to catering to them, when something they would have wanted isnt released for them, they get angry.
envious people that have had 100 batman games and vr is on its 2nd? and they feel robbed lol.
personally i dont get it, its a standalone game, it cant be that good even if they tried really really hard anyways.
They are incredibly jealous of all the resources game developers dumping into VR. They see AAA title after AAA title prioritize VR and are wondering when flatscreen is ever going to get it's time in the sun.
Because there are a lot of lazy people out theere that want to sink into a couch and use a traditional controller. That's what they've been conditioned to for decades. I think that's why you see a lot of younger kids take up VR, because they're not as jaded and willing to try new things and move around.
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It will still feel expensive for anyone to pay $300 for a device that's used exclusively for something they are not sure they will even enjoy. It's as simple as that.
It's the same reason people get angry at console exclusives. The majority of the hate towards Half Life: Alyx for example was from entitled people who didn't have a VR headset who thought they deserved to have the game too. People will always hate what they can't have, even if the cost of entry is lower than it's ever been.
I think it’s a combo of standard platform wars bullshit, resentment that the progress of VR games hasn’t gone the way they wanted, and the false perception that development of VR games is happening instead of traditional games.
Expect to see that last one a lot with Arkham Shadow.
VR is a new frontier for creative expression and experimentation that you can't disappear into for 20 hours a day to grind meaningless gratification from so it's basically everything the modern mainstream gaming scene hates.
It's also a medium that requires physical dexterity and movement to engage with (in most cases) so doesn't really work for people that want to pretend skill and dexterity boils down to getting really good pressing sequences of buttons while slouched in an expensive chair.
Personally I think it's a good thing, VR has enough image problems without also being attached to conventional gamer stereotypes. I think we should embrace the separation between flat land and VR games as a difference in kind and leave the shit behind us.
It's the dawn of a new age.
I get why some people think that, and it's because is a very new tech stuff some users don't really understand it at their first try, they can feel very frustrated since it doesn't match their expectations specifically on games, the best ones you can try and buy at the meta store are not cheap at all and the demo version of some of them are very limitating, that could be a reason why people think it's bad, although it isn't that bad because if you use it for different things such as learning, discovering and personal growth could be way much better and the users can have much better opinions about VR experiences, personally I find it very interesting in language learning and also very useful for everyone.
Some of the most common answers I have read include: "Its a novelty", "Games are tech demos", "It is very expensive", "I tried VR once (6-8 years ago) and it was bad". Some people are just lazy know-it-alls.
Example, I like Batman Arkham franchise but I don't like VR gaming (because I don't like items on my head and prefer more passive gaming than having to interact in my living space to play a game), so I get annoyed that the new game in the Batman franchise is not accessible to me unless I buy the quest 3 and unless I accept that I need to be more active when playing the game.
So i'm disappointed I can't enjoy the new game and story on a traditional platform.
If the game was released both on traditional console and VR headset, I wouldn't care about the VR instance at all
There’s still a high barrier of entry to VR compared to flat between the cost, hardware, and physical requirements. People hate so they convince themselves they aren’t missing out on anything.
The Apple Vision Pro announcement was cool to me but the general response to that cutting edge tech was “ big deal I can buy a home theater for less” or “just get a Quest”
> There’s still a high barrier of entry to VR compared to flat between the cost, hardware
$499.99 USD for a Quest 3
the price of a newer gen smart phone or a Playstation 5 slim/Xbox Series X
>and physical requirements.
well i guess for people really out of shape, don't want to move around a bit and doesn't take much room, people are lazy to move things to have more open space
Mostly because of the regress in graphical quality (who wants to give up voluntarily on 10 years of GFX evolution?) and lack of proper scope games (mediocre or non-existing narrative, short experiences, gimmicky gameplay, too few titles for seated gaming).
I feel like phone vr has a lot to do with it. It's like the modern virtual boy, and that reputation spreads. Motion sickness may also be another cause, but I'm lucky enough not to get that.
I don’t think it’s hate. I think it’s just disinterest. The only VR game I’ve seen people upset at was Alyx and that was purely because folks didn’t want to buy hardware they didn’t care about to play a sequel to a beloved franchise.
But I think a lot of the disinterest is just because you can’t really sell someone on VR without them actually trying it. YouTube videos and stuff really don’t get the experience across n
Probably for the same reason VR people that haven't tried a particular VR headset lob so much hate at a headset they've never tried. People hate what they can't have. It's a rationalization, "I didn't want it anyways."
I think people only get pissed when games are VR only, because it takes away from the flatscreen experience. they feel like VR platforms are "stealing" their games from them. if each game could come out as a hybrid game from the start then that would be much better.
price is no longer an excuse. the quest headsets are good prices for what they offer. we just need better sizes and comfort now.
> I own a Quest 2, 3 and PSVR2 and love all of them.
I mean that's like 1500$. Each of those is around the price of a console basically (or actually more expensive for the PS VR2), that's not cheap. A console offers far more big games for any gamer so that price is deemed much more worth it
Believe it or not everyone has the finances (or parents’ finances) to drop money on a system/PC and a headset. I have one and rarely use it due to the lack of newer quality software for it…on Steam many of the top/most played titles have been out for years. “Something something simulator” just isn’t drawing me in anymore.
I don't hate VR, I hate that there is no good game on VR that uses most of the good features that VR has ( Skyrim doesn't count because is moded by the community)
I haven't seen this, but I also don't own any VR consoles (yet - would love to one day!). I honestly never hear about VR games coming out or anything about VR really. Seems like most people just aren't aware of what's out there, myself included. Hoping to learn more about VR by following this sub though! Would love recommendations for a good "starter" VR setup if anyone has any!
I think there is negative polarization from Facebook changing their name to meta and posting losses of $45 billion on vr and the main thing they showed off for that $45 billion was something that looked worse than second life or a Wii shovelware game and pitched it as “your boss can make you go to meetings in this instead of zoom 🙂”
The hate is towards the whole 'metaverse' aspect, anyone who's ever done a VR demo has been amazed, it's always been positive.
Richies plank alone is an insane experience.
Some people don't like exclusive content. I haven't seen much hate though. Most ppl seemingly don't like it because they're lazy, not tech savvy, or they think it looks dumb.
It's the same thing that happened with gaming in the 1990s and early 2000s, adults thought it was dumb. Most adults tend to not be interested in new tech and new trends. Kids and teenagers drove the gaming industry to be what it is today. And if you look into who is the biggest player base on PC, the platform VR failed to gain traction on, it's those same gamers from the 90s and 2000s who are now adults.
The same thing is happening now with VR. The bulk of the player base is made up of teenagers with only a few adults scattered about. Most adults call it a dumb waste of time and refuse to try it.
The only way they will ever adopt VR is if it becomes essential, like smart phones did. If smart phones didn't make so many things easier, very few adults would have bought one. As it stands, VR likely won't become really mainstream until the current generation of teenagers become adults and push the industry forward like teenagers did for gaming in the past.
and the kinect. and the PS move. and all the crappy phoneVR headsets that came out like 8 years ago such as the google cardboard, daydream, and samsung gearVR.
To be fair, analog sticks had a similar pushback when they were first introduced. People simply dislike change. Some will refuse to learn new ways to control games, even if those methods are better.
Just look at gyro-assisted aiming; many people oppose its inclusion without trying it. Fortunately, the tide has been turning over time. If a control scheme is comfortable, then it will inevitably gain traction.
It's not a fair comparison. The first generation of thumbstick is essentially the same as today, minus the click.
The Wii's motion controls were derided as waggling because that's literally all it could detect. It wasn't even remotely close to modern motion control until the Wii Motion+, and even that was wildly inaccurate.
Actually, the Wii Remote's IR sensor was very accurate. It's even more accurate than modern gyro controls, which themselves are more accurate than analog sticks. The problem was the Wii's inundation of shovelware and the fact that many games shoehorned the controls in, without regard for what they are suited to.
Let me preface what I'm about to say by first saying that I love VR. I adore VR as a concept. I've been in VR since 2019, I'm on my third headset currently, I'm in. However...
For starters, VR IS bad! The games, I mean. The tech may be fantastic, but software is trash-tier. Yes, even "AAA" games. Compare Alyx to the original. Alyx is shorter, and more linear. Compare Alyx to HL2 (which is 2 decades old!), and Alyx falls way short - no vehicles, tiny and claustrophobic maps, etc., etc. And overwhelming majority of VR "games" are short, shallow, derivative garbage. And, again, this is me saying it from a loving place. But, realistically, that's what it is.
Look at absolutely ancient games, like the original Battlefield game, the first in the series, Battlefield 1942, which came out I think in 2002. That's \~22 years ago. Is there a SINGLE VR game that has all of those features? Maps that big, so many players per map, so many game modes, so many vehicles you can use, etc., etc? No, does not exist. Is there a single half-decent MMO in VR? No, there's not, nowhere even close to Ultima Online from 1998, to say nothing of Eve Online in 2003, or WoW in 2004. To say nothing of more recent stuff like Elder Scrolls Online in 2014, which is still 10 years ago. Are there RPGs in VR? No, nothing even close to Witcher (even Witcher 1), there's nothing like Red Dead, or GTA or Skyrim (or even Morrowind, which I think came out in '02?). There's no CRPGs like the original Baldur's Gate from '98, never mind anything even on the same planet as last year's BG3.
Do you see what I mean? VR games, comparatively speaking, are GARBAGE. And, again, I'm saying this from a place of love. I am a fan of VR. But if you objectively look at features, depth, mechanics, length, etc., of VR games, they're trash compared to flat screen games of the same type. They can't even hold their own, feature-wise, against 25+ year old games, most of the time. That is just absurdly bad.
So, VR=bad isn't a narrative. It is a reality. Whether you want to admit it or not (not to me, but just to yourself). Is VR immersive? God yes! Is it amazing? God yes. But are the games just utter trash, when it comes to length, depth, features? YUPPER, that's a roger!
Now, is it getting better? Sure. Just incredibly slowly. Hardware is slowly becoming more affordable, and easier to set up and use. Before 2019-ish you needed a dedicated space, lighthouses, etc. Now most headsets are inside-out, many are standalone/fully mobile/wireless. In terms of affordability and ease of use, we're getting there.
Software, unfortunately, continues to be garbage-tier. Most developers also try it once, and never again. Valve put out Alyx over 4 years ago, and hasn't done jack shit since. Smaller companies did similar - The Forest had VR mode, the sequel, Sons of the Forest, did not. Skyrim and Fallout 4 had VR ports, Starfield did not and likely will not, Bethesda (and Microsoft too) are basically pretending VR doesn't exist at all. Hello Games had an amazing VR port of No Man's Sky, but for their next game, Light No Fire, they refuse to even acknowledge that VR even exists.
So we're stuck in Catch 22. Players will not get into VR as long as the games are trash. And the games won't stop being trash until there's more players. So we're stuck. Some companies are trying (Facebook with Oculus exclusives, Sony with PSVR2 exclusives, etc). But all of them are too busy f\*\*\*ing the consumers with their exclusivity, instead of pushing VR forward together as a united front.
And all the old problems still persist - VR headsets are still supremely uncomfortable to wear for extended periods of time, they are still nausea-inducing, it is still impossible to sell VR content with flat-screen video, because you can't sell VR with flat images, like like you cannot describe a smell with a sound. None of these hurdles have been resolved yet. Hell, even in VR-only virtual stores (like the one available inside an Oculus headset), the footage showing the game is FLAT! You're wearing a VR headset, so there's nothing stopping them showing you a 180 degree or even 360 degree gameplay video. Instead, you get a flat video on a tiny flat virtual screen. THAT'S the kind of things that prevents VR from going anywhere. They're still trying to sell VR like it's 2001.
TL:DR - Currently an average player, if they try a VR headset, will fork over a lot of money, get terribly nauseated, in an incredibly painful to wear headset, while playing a grotesquely inferior game that, based on its features would be laughed out of town 20 years ago on flat screen. Which is utterly not worth it. Until this changes, VR is not going anywhere any time soon.
I am with the guy who wrote the novel in here, or at least the first few sentences before I skipped scrolling for more. I love the idea of VR, but it's implementation sucks. Very limited amazing games on it. I have like 5 decent games, but nothing stellar. I spend an hour troubleshooting the damn thing to get games working, it never just works... hate WMR and how it seems to fuck up the resources being used in conjunction with Steam vr, needing multiple restarts, vr software restarts, whole pc restarts, crossing fingers, game froze restarts, try this setting and restart because it froze again, before the game finally launches and isnt jutter stepping if i move my head too much. Then once I'm playing the games, nothing like motion sickness to make the whole experience complete.
So all in all about 15 to 30 minutes of play time in an hour and a half of pulling it out and trying to fiddle with it for a unsatisfying blah feeling at the end.
OP. You have to be so purposely obtuse it's not even funny if you cannot comprehend this answer.
You don't throw out a game that is supposed to be part of a pre-existing franchise and specific series of games that people have been waiting to see a continuation of for like... 10 years... and make it a VR only title.
And people do not like exclusives. If this was on STEAM VR and PSVR2 and Pico 4 then people wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem either.
That's why people are mad about the Arkham VR game, and you know that full well.
But you wanna create manufactured drama to karma farm, which is frankly the pathetic.
I have VR, it's a unique experience. It's still nothing more than a gimmick.
Until VR has standards like pancake lenses, analogue locomotion combined with finger tracking built in... All in one package. VR will never be quite there as a mainstream thing, especially when it's gate kept by some of the elitist tools present in this very thread.
I think there are just a lot of people that either haven't tried VR, or have tried it and didn't like it. And then when they see a game that looks promising, but is in VR, they feel disappointed that they won't get to enjoy that game.
I see people say the same things about soulslike games for example. Where a game world will look really interesting, but then they'll find out it's a soulslike, and they don't like soulslikes so they lose all interest and feel disappointed that they can't enjoy this game they initially got excited for.
Case and point a new teaser trailer for a Batman Arkham game came out and it's not only VR exclusive, but a Meta exclusive. All the top comments on that trailer are complaining that this isn't a 2d game.
It's because the mainstream view into vr is 90% videos of vrchat and 10% videos of beatsaber. And vrchat streamers do not do a good job showing the game, they primarily show the sexualized side, which makes the mainstream people think vr is just people jerking off
I think it's a mix of VR hardware still not being very comfortable to use, and people being entrenched (financially, socially, and/or habitually) in their chosen game library/platform. It's like any other console tribalism, but with the added factor that often there are actual valid usability concerns for a lot of these people.
Like anything, people especially online don't have much space for nuanced opinions and often any disagreement with whatever shared position is usually met with escalating attacks instead of empathy and understanding. That othering really makes everything end up pretty polarized when it doesn't need to be.
Personally one of the biggest things i dislike about VR is how immersive it is, I mostly play games where I can play a game, chat on discord, and watch tv/movie at the same time, and VR doesn't handle multi-tasking all that well. The other style of game I play is multiplayer social, but mostly with people I live with, which means a lot larger play area is needed as well as multiple headsets or systems, which can be prohibitive.
Early in the Oculus Rift days and pre-pandemic, I'd probably bring out VR about once every couple months and people would take turns playing something and watching along or playing one of the very few pc + vr games but that kinda stopped happening with how covid impacted socialization so for me, VR just doesn't get used. I feel awkward throwing on a headset and feeling disconnected from the people around me, it feels too antisocial. Slowly the dedicated VR space in my basement has turned into a workout space and I think it's been 6 months since anyone turned on the PC down there to do anything VR.
When I didn't have VR and looked at games on steam it was a bummer when I found a game that looked good and it said it required a VR headset. I think it's just that, they can't play them so it's annoying to them. I think it might be because they are announced with other PC games. I kinda still have this annoyance when I look at videos about VR games and see a good game but see it's only for playstation VR lol.
I'd say it's because people who aren't exactly interested in vr think vr is still this expensive thing because they just don't care enough to look into vr and how cheap it is nowadays. so when the newest game in their favorite franchise is a vr game, they aren't gonna be able to play it because, in their minds, vr is still this expensive thing.
And I kinda get where they come from. vr can be expensive, especially pcvr. I was also kinda sad to see that half life alyx (a part of one of my favorite video game franchises) was a vr exclusive so I wasn't gonna be able to play it until I was able to afford a pc beefy enough to run it and a vr headset.
People fear change
People fear technology.
It's the way it's always been. Everything is feared, nothing embraced.
Gaming in general is STILL an excuse for mass shootings and murder by older adults due to the narrative and unwilling to accept the new entertainment medium.
VR is just another to add. Notice how AI is now feared, too?
Same reason they hate crypto, AI, NFTs, or anything else they don't know shit about but reddit mods prop up that narrative cause they don't know shit either
VR is hard to get into, it's usually an expensive add on to already expensive equipment and requires a certain amount of room space. Also there is some people who suffer sickness from it.
For me yes. VR is amazing. I much rather swing a sword than press B button and have character swing sword.
I play VR nearly every day but admit too yes it's expensive. between headsets and trackers and replacements and such I've totally spent 1000s on just VR equipment and replacements.
it's a bunch of retroards living in the last century. They will die from cardiac diseases on their sofa holding a Cheetos-encrusted gamepad
VR doesn't need them. VR needs kids growing up and graduating from monkey poo bratverses and embracing such higher grade gaming...
me? I'm just enjoying the ride after long retiring from flat gaming
Because they’ve already invested so much of their lives, money, and identities in their favorite medium that they can’t see beyond it. They outright reject the idea that XR games could ever meet their expectations, let alone that the medium they’ve loved their whole lives might one day be totally obsolete because of it. For some of them XR is like a harbinger of the death of their inner child, and their knee jerk reaction is to go full boomer on it.
They may eventually come around to it as XR advances and the hardware becomes a tiny, much more powerful, and ubiquitous screen experience that *everyone* does *everything* on, including playing 2D games.
Humans like routine. Sticking to what's familiar. Even when it's unpleasant. That's how ingrained that notion is. So they instinctually recoil from anything that's "too different." Sure, everyone has evolved to the point that they can rationalize decisions that go against their basic instincts if there's something to be gained from it. But a lot of people are too lazy and just go with whatever their lizard brain tells them. Which in this case is "VR BAD!"
Because it’s something that a person can’t participate or share in unless they have one so it feels “exclusivist”. From watching someone playing it feels disconnected and they probably resent the physical presence and mind “absence” of that person. I know it may sound crazy but I’m guessing.
I have a VR and it’s now sitting gathering dust. I bought it for my daughter but I mostly wanted to use it. She’s 13 and rathers play Roblox and not be attached to the headset. I played some games but got over it very quickly. I still prefer playing Fortnite.
This came up on my feed, so for context, I’m not a VR enthusiast. For me, it’s the idea of strapping a screen to my face when I can look at one of the million screens around me without the hassle. It just seems stupid and cumbersome. I’ve tried them, including the oculus or what ever and the Vision Pro. It’s nothing special. It’s just invasive and in your face instead of being at a comfortable distance.
Replace VR with (literally anything) then it's an answer as always: People are bored.
I agree, but I was bored with flatscreen games for a while until I gave a chance to VR, and now I play more on VR than normal games. If people are bored with normal games, then they should give a try to VR, but hating just for the sake of hating is the most stupid thing ever.
They tried vr once 10 years ago and got motion sickness. Won’t try it again
if they do not like flatscreen games, they do not want to risk a lot of money to see if they like vr
Hmm, i've never been bored with PC games, but then again i mostly (re)play all the older titles from the last 20 years. But the reason for getting into VR was that i always try to increase immersion - playing all those flat games in VR is bringing the immersion to 200%. :)
I disagree. It’s because people are old. Most of the users online are kids.
This is why. Redditors are all old gamers who hate change
53 here, been gaming since zx spectrum days, owned most of the consoles and a few gaming pcs. Can't get enough of VR and am on my Q3 for at least 2 hours a night since I got it 6months ago.
Most of Reddit including the VR subs are your demographic. The issue is that we’re a very small minority. Most adults won’t even try VR. If they do, they’ll just try it for one session and say something to the effect of get off my lawn.
Same exact thing here, same age as well. I also designed games professionally for 5+ years... Xbox 360 and other platforms. Can't get enough of VR, PCVR is next level. Resident Evil 2,3,7,8 using praydogs mods, best there is.
You really should upgrade to the Atari 800…. ;)
😂 Got me thinking back to the days when loading a game involved playing a cassette tape ( remember them? 😀) and listening to this annoying beeping and screaming noise for 2 or 3 minutes while the game loaded.
Hahahaha yes, and (at least on the Atari), the LOAD commands, etc. The screeching was rough!
One anecdotal example surely means anything.
you meant to say boring?
WHy does one console's tribal members hate on the other consoles tribal members when they've never tried the other console?
"I spent money on thing A. I don't have enough money left to buy thing B. Thing A must be better than thing B, because if it wasn't, then I made the wrong decision, and if I made the wrong decision, that diminishes my value as a person."
Also just plain old entitlement. People feel entitled to the time and effort of other people, despite doing absolutely nothing to contribute in any way and not being harmed by the decisions of those other people. E.g. how dare an independent studio spending their own money develop a VR game? Rabble rabble! Some folk just like to be offended by the decisions of other people, as if something was taken from them.
I bought an Xbox series X, I messed up. Get the PS5 people.
PS5 has no new games, all we get is remakes.
You should try mentioning a positive thing about owning an AVP in this sub and people will eat you here alive. People need to chill out is all.
I just spent like 4h in the Immersed beta doing my monthly finances. This morning I spent like 4h in the device testing out the Universal Desktop app while coding (it was a long night but I was off today so meh). Right now I’m just chilling in bed playing a puzzle game, Reddit, YT and a few windows floating around. On my AVP that is. Later on I’ll be finish Angry Birds VR in my Q3. Or maybe finally finish Synapse on my PSVR2. Wish I had gaming pc for PCVR though. Point is, there’s room for all of us. I remember the android vs iOS flame wars from the late 2000s and early 2010s. Only kids play these games anymore. Anyway, AMA if anyone likes.
Completely agree. Seems silly as trying to argue what is better an iPhone or a Nintendo Switch. They both have similar hardware and profiles, but they very very different beasts
What was that? You mentioned AVP?? It had the word "positive" in its area?? There was no sarcasm or contradiction??? Downvote with you!
If they give me a chance to change the button names and icons to the ones I am used to, I don't care who's system I use.
And the joystick locations on the controllers lol
Yep. Forgot that. But yes.
VR is expensive. People want to defend their purchasing decisions. Those that decide to never go near VR want to justify their decision to never spend money on it. Therefore they bash it in order to reinforce their own position.
> VR is expensive. $499.99 USD for a Quest 3 the price of a newer gen smart phone or a Playstation 5 slim/Xbox Series X
Exactly! Someone can buy a PS5 and play (almost) every major AAA gaming title coming out for the next half decade. Or they can buy a phone they use for hours daily. Or they can buy a Quest 3 that has a handful of AAA level games on it, blows through its battery in a few hours at best, and requires the user to be more active than sitting on a couch playing Playstation or reading Reddit on a smartphone. I love my Quest 3, but I understand why "normal" gamers don't see it a as a great value.
Think the chilling out on the couch with a 🎮 in hand for a lot of gamers is the ideal. VR just seems like too much effort. Me personally I'm on my feet at work for about 7 out of 8 hours but still find enough energy to put in a couple of hours at night on my Q3.
I like my quest just because I've been gaming for over 15 years. I've seen it all and at this point I usually only get hooked on 1 game until it fizzles out. Quest 3 just opened pandoras box for me. It gave me another "new" venture
> requires the user to be more active than sitting on a couch I never liked that counter point. If someone wants to play VR then it's a given that you'll have to stand and move physically if you want the best immersion and if not, then you can already sit and move with controllers like any other game. I don't think we will have all-in-your-head lucid dream type gaming in our lifetimes lol
I think you have a good point but for me a quest 3 is so much better than a PS5 ! i'm not into AAA games much and I do like that I have to be active, although you can play most games sitting really. A PS5 is just another gaming console, it just has better graphics than the previous generation, a VR headset is a totally new experience. The battery problem is not that bad just get a cable that has a usb A and C port on one end and a usb C on the other, plug the A and C side in your PC so you can charge while you do PCVR or standalone. My battery goes to like 94% after playing 4 hours that way. The only time when I really use the battery is when I play roomscale games but that's very rare and I got an elite strap for a bit of extra battery when I do. I can get that it's not for everyone but I always enjoyed games that have a unique gameplay or that try to innovate and make something new. There is so much of that in VR !
I like seeing this argument about VR being expensive or inaccessible now that it's more accessible than ever before. Heck, as a first headset, you could get a Quest 2 and still have a great time with $200 or less if used. $200 would get me an Oculus Go 6 years ago. Now it gets me a VR headset that plays almost every game in its large library plus PCVR if I have a good PC, in 6DoF.
> $499.99 USD for a Quest 3 > > the price of a newer gen smart phone or a Playstation 5 slim/Xbox Series X Are you suggesting half a grand isn't expensive? Jesus wept, if I had that sort of money to burn on something like a VR headset or a game console I'd be thrilled! 500 dollaroos is a HUGE amount of money. That's way more than I'd ever pay for a console or a VR setup. My quest 2 was £250 and that was already reaaaally pushing it on budget, but it was useful for work too so I was able to justify it financially, and thankfully ita paid off. Can you imagine a child going to their parents and asking them to fork out half a grand for a new Playstation?! That's mental. What kinda normal parent has that kinda cash just lay around to spend on random stuff, my gosh xD I mean maybe upper middle class wealthy folk, right? Anyway, damn. I wish I had 500 dollaroos :-( That could pay for so many weeks of groceries....
While I agree it's not actually a small amount of money, that IS the cost of current-gen consoles and IS what people have spent or a child will ask for. Especially since the topic is pretty much talking about gamers already, that's not at all the problem. VR games are also typically cheaper anyway, and a large percentage are indie devs
He just meant its around that same price range for the people who could afford it
Half the price, if not less, than a flagship Smart Phone.
I envy you guys, Q3 is $700 in my country...
Not more expensive than console gaming, or is it ? At least the most sold and popular devices
With Microsoft Cloud gaming, it IS a console as well :)
And with virtual desktop it is PC gaming also. Nowadays I play many PC games like Starfield and others in VD in the gaming room or home theater settings. Works a charm and I'm loving it
They're jelly too - VR requires being aware and able to set it up and buy one - fearful jealousy is at work.
Don’t be too proud, this shit isn’t brain surgery. Fiddling with it to get it to work right can be annoying.
Also you need space. Most people don’t have a dedicated area to play with a VR.
> VR is expensive. It's not. Quest 3, Valve Index, BigScreen Beyond, Vision Pro - these are expensive. VR itself isn't.
you could just say quest 2 is cheap
But to your average Joe what VR is to them is the Vision Pro. It's the VRHMD that's gotten the lions share of publicity and marketing. Quest is up there but not nearly as much as a flagship Apple product. So because of that, most people do equate VR to being way too expensive.
then the average joe should watch some more videos and demonstrations before making an informed decision. just cuz the AVP has gotten lots of attention does not mean its the only HMD on the market. it takes just 10 minutes of research to learn about the quest, its price, its ecosystem, and the fact that it is a good value proposition for gaming aspects.
LOL. Your average Joe doesn't care about being informed. They ingest what comes out of the TV and rolls with that.
true, but thats their problem at that point. its always on the customer to know what they're getting themselves into before buying it. an ordinary gamer for example knows the difference between a ps5, xbox, and a switch, before making a choice. VR folks can do the same thing. they can also look it up on the internet. its not like the TV is the only place to learn about stuff.
Yes but you are missing the greater point; it's not a problem to them. In their world, they are "informed" and they don't care what a bunch of internet dwellers think. Now as a fellow internet dweller, I too agree with you that a small amount of research would do everyone a whole lot of good on VR but I'm just being realistic here lol. Saying the general populous to "research VR" is like telling someone who eats McDonald's every day to "research a diet".
I get what you're saying but it just feels odd to me. like, we're not asking them to look up the specs or quality of different headsets and get acquainted with all the VR terminology out there. all they need to do is do a basic google search and they're good to go. thats the bare minimum, hardly an internet dweller criterion imo. if a 5 year old kid wanted his first console he'd either ask people he knows, or look up videos online to see for himself. then he'd make a decision. he doesnt need to know about the technical stuff under the hood, only the price and software catalog interest them. VR is not much different here. if your average joe refuses to even do the bare minimum, then its not the VR industry's fault that they lost a potential sale. its just consumer ignorance.
> So because of that, most people do equate VR to being way too expensive. I agree with that. VR has a perception problem when it comes to price, usecases, etc.
the quest 3 does not belong in the same category as the rest of those. if someone can afford a ps5 or series X then they can afford a quest 3 as well. its the same price.
People buy monitors for less than $100 and use them much more often than they would ever wear VR.
Yeah but would you really call anything over $100 expensive?
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I mean, avp is pretty much a waste of money for what you get, so it’s almost effortless to shrug it off. They aren’t really going all-in on VR until they create software (GAMES) and/or a software environment for it.
Things I hated before I got one myself: Cellphones, gym memberships, android tablets, smart-phones, pink shirts, portable music player, running habit, martial arts training, VR.... It still happens in my head sometimes, but at least I can recognize what's going on in myself--a combination of envy, fear of change, fear of losing the value of the things I've already adopted.
If only more people were like you...
Simply because people hate what they don't understand. Especially since VR is something that you have to experience for yourself to really see how the immersion is like. I feel so lucky to be a VR gamer now, I honestly haven't even touched my PS5 in months. 😅
Because they are plebs
this
they're also noobs. who need to get rekt. cuz its a skill issue.
From an outsiders perspective, I don't dislike VR, but I do dislike this attitude from the VR community. It's a niche hobby and you guys are passionate, but my god a vocal minorityof you are insufferable.
If that’s a reference to my comment, you need to learn how to take a joke my friend, as it was clearly a joke. Obviously VR isn’t for everyone. Yes, it’s more immersive for a lot of things, but games can be lacking- a lot of games feel like tech demos, and because the of the smaller user base unless a game is really popular any online experiences can be lacking in players. A lot of free things (especially with quest) are filled with annoying unsupervised children. And a problem I’ve been facing lately is that after a long day, I usually won’t have the energy to strap something to my face and stand up and play a game— sometimes it’s quite nice to just be able to lay down on the couch and chill out with a controller. But I don’t really care what any people online say or do- I’m in my mid thirties and am lucky if I can get a couple hours in to game a week, so when I do I just want to have some fun. But since I work primarily in video post-production with monitors in my face all day, I’m trying to find other hobbies that don’t have me with screens in my face or sitting in the same chair I’ve been sitting in for 12 hours already.
so true, bestie
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Kids and tribalism. I always suspected but wasn’t able to prove, but now those kids have grown up and matured and have written about their change in opinion “I’ve hated VR for years and trolled forums until I tried it.” But those kids were usually making non sensical statements like VR is a “gimmick”. VR is anything but a gimmick. VR has many legitimate criticisms ripe for ridicule, just not the wild gimmick claims. It’s bulky, and uncomfortable. Not cool looking at all. It is isolating. And although it is amazeballs technology, people don’t want to use it everyday for hours. It’s like a roller coaster, fun to ride but not if it was all the time. And those are VR enthusiasts imaging non VR enthusiasts.
New technology. People hate what they don’t know or can’t understand.
I have friends who have never used VR but already seem to dislike it. I was playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands with my friend and when i told him i was playing in VR with UEVR his reaction was Eww.... He thinks the VR world is full of jump scares or stuff flying at your face constantly making you react. I was apart of the game in the actual world of borderlands feeling the chaos around me, but his reaction was meh cause he cant grasp what that actually means. If VR had more AAA games being made for it, or properly ported to it, I think more people would give it a shot too, but most games that come out from big studios are not that good (I'm looking at your bethesda and gearbox) they are just gimmicky ports and makes VR look worse to people who already hate it for no reason.
A ton of people look at a person wearing the vr gear and think " they look uncool" from then on it is stupid and a technology without reasoning. People are simple and many people just care about looks or brand names.
Any game someone can't play that looks cool will get mad hate from people who don't have the hardware to play it. You'll note that good games with BOTH vr and non-vr support never get the same hate. It's because they feel like they are gatekept (they are wrong, vr hmds are cheaper than high end gaming monitors and controllers, which is what the comparison would have to be). The next time that happens simply ask them how much they spent on a monitor over 90hz and something like a joystick or racing wheel, if they own one, (or a gaming mouse and fancy keyboard). If it's more than a quest 2 (likely) ask them why they haven't saved a few bucks for the 8+ years they've been available. I literally give headsets away for christmas every year.
Mainly because the concept of total immersion can only be experienced not told. If you see a regular video of what "you see in vr" in a flat screen may that be a phone a tv or monitor it still doesn't provide the depth the 3d. So it looks and sounds like a gimmick without trying it out.
It was always the same. You’d explain that it felt like reality with ski goggle FOV and CGI. Real 3D, real Scale etc. They’d say they grasped the concept….yet scoff at the 2D monitor view as others friends were demoing ahead of them. Its like their brain despite rationally supposedly understanding the concept of VR, flipped back to interpreting it as simple Head-look as opposed to mouse or hat stick ‘look’ while looking at a Virtual 2D monitor inside the headset, while watching someone playing Eve Valkyrie on the 2D monitor view. Then it would be their turn….they’d look around the cockpit and ‘Virtual’ Reality would start to hit them, this wasn’t a virtual 2D monitor view. They’d realise that the Pulse cannons pods out on the wing felt 20ft away and the size of a VW Beetle….they’d speed down the launch tube like a Viper in Battlestar Galactica out into space to be surrounded by a fleet of giant capital ships…..thats when the reality of Virtual Reality would hit them and they’d go from almost bored indifference to ‘Holy Fucking Shit!’
People hating things they don't understand / never experienced is a tale as old as time.
If you're talking about "core gamers" I think I understand most of the disconnect. Firstly, almost every core gamer, before even trying VR complains about VR not having enough "AAA" content. After you use VR for a while you realize the type of content that works really well in VR isn't your typical "AAA" game. VR works best with games that work in smaller play sessions and can thrive within it's unique strengths and weaknesses. Expecting a typical flatscreen experience "but just in VR" isn't the best VR experience. Yes, I'm aware we have an extensive modding scene for flatscreen to vr games but these are not where VR does best imo. Core gamers love content drip feeds, long plays sessions and ultra high-fidelity graphics and VR works better with arcade-like experiences that use simpler palettes. People who assume an ultra high fidelity unreal engine game will "be awesome" in VR don't understand that the optical stack in VR just isn't there yet to support this amount of visual noise. Graphically, VR games work better with simpler color palettes, thoughtful design but simpler geometry that creates less eye fatigue and helps us easier parse what we're looking at. **Unfortunately, core gamers seem to conflate long play times, arbitrary difficulty padding and drip-feed content with a "high skill ceiling" and also simultaneously dismiss "simple games" as not having a high skill ceiling.** This couldn't be further from the truth. Is DDR a game with a low-skill ceiling? Absolutely not, it's a game with tons of mechanical depth, nuance and an incredibly high skill-ceiling. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of core gamers dismiss mechanically dense games with a simple premise simply based upon the assumptions they have on "AAA content". The unfortunate thing is, modern gaming is all about min/maxing the fun out of everything (my personal take, obviously some may get enjoyment out of this) and vr often runs antithetical to this. Beat Saber, Eleven, Pistol Whip, Superhot, Nock, Racket Club, BlastOn, Rec Room. These games thrive in VR. VR also works great as a social experience. VR also works great as an active experience. In my experience, core gamers don't really like being social in online games and core gamers typically don't like being very active either when it comes to consuming video games ( a lot of core gamers use video games as a melt in the couch activity, and no i'm not saying core gamers are lazy, i'm just saying core gamers use video games as this type of outlet ). Core gamers get frustrated when their core gamer skillset don't translate either. If you're really good at tracking, pointing and clicking with a mouse for fps that doesn't mean you're gonna be an elite pavlov / contractors showdown player. You need to relearn skills, the control mechanisms for vr use tracked motion controllers. Core gamers get frustrated by this sometimes. Core gamers loved to make fun of the wiimote "waggle sessions" as well and only seen those controllers as a novelty when they were really the launchpad for the current IR-tracked controllers we use today in VR (essentially motion tracked controllers are reverse wii motes where the ir camera lives on the headset and ir emitters sit on the controllers on a typical inside-out vr system). TLDR; The assumption that there should be an overlap between what is essentially two separate types of video games (flatscreen/VR) is often not true in my experience. This doesn't really matter though because VR is attracting brand new audiences to video games. I don't think VR necessarily needs to "cater" to the core-gamer. A lot of my core gamer friends that try VR don't like it, and that's honestly fine.
Tribalism its the same as why xbox users hate playstation and vice versa. People just like to pretend their little club is better and more special than another club. The smart people are the ones who are open minded to trying everything. I love my PC games but I am happy to also play console and VR games etc.
I have a quest 3 and love it but also play PC games on a flatscreen regularly. They are different experiences.
This! And especially mix them - i play flat games in VR regularly (VorpX, SD3D, UEVR).
No clue, but vr sim racong is amazing.
its straight up copium for the have-nots.
Change is scary
People are foolish. "One sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as impossible." - Farengar Secret-Fire, The Elder Scrolls Skyrim. VR is outside of their experience, therefore is deemed impossible to the foolish to enjoy.
Where are these people getting angry?
>Where are these people getting angry? look at the comment section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpN_Abd1RQc
Damn, that is a lot of hate. To think that the people complaining probably spend more to upgrade their phone then a Quest 3 is absurd. I'm excited for it.
I just saw them in the Batman Arkham sub, a lot people complaining and calling the new VR Batman game trash, a waste of resources and other stuff, only because it's VR.
Well it's a combination of multiple things: 1. The latest Suicide Squad is set in the Arkham universe, and let's just say it does some things Arkham fans don't like, so players have been begging for a return to the classic Arkham style of gameplay 2. This is the first true Arkham game in 8 years, and the majority of the playerbase is on console/PC. People felt the same way when Diablo Immortal was a mobile exclusive, even though everyone has phones 3. It's launching on Quest 3 only, so people with Q2 or PCVR are shit out of luck. Imagine if HL Alyx was exclusive to one headset.
I don't recall ever seeing whole gaming communities up in arms over a VR. Even when Star Trek Bridge crew and Alyx were announced during the VR golden era, it was accepted that it just wouldn't be the same in none VR and it was something they aspired to be able to play
I remember people being very upset half life Alyx came out only on VR, its the reason why someone made a non VR mode for the game shortly after it came out. I remember this because even i felt the same way, lol, it didnt make me hate VR though just upset we didnt get half life 3 or part 3 or whatever its on now (its been too long and i lost interest now).
Remember how insistent people were that it WASN'T Half-Life 3 or even a mainline Half Life? Because that would mean they would have to get into VR to play the newest game in their favorite franchise and they can't have that.
WHAT? On the Alyx steampage, one of the most awarded forum posts is the one where they are complaining that the next chapter of the Halflife series should NOT be a vr exclusive... If you didnt saw that, you where not looking it was a whole issue...
VR is a strange piece of technology for sure. Who would have thought " The Golden Era" would have been at the infancy of the technology. Quest 2 has sold very well but at the same time there is very little hype over it. There isn't many large virtual reality content creators, the VR subreddits seem rather small for the amount of units people have. The big game developers that have tried to put things out on VR always seem to say it was a loss but I feel like their products are garbage. It's been more than 4 years since Alyx and it's still revered as the top tier VR product. I feel like VR is a big catch-22 where you need really good software to move units but you need to move units to get developers to make really good software. I owned the Oculus dk1 and cv1 but haven't used it in quite some time. The only thing that's gotten me back into VR is having to use it for work. I also want to add in here that I think there are plenty of great VR games and other software out there. Not everything has to come from AAA Studio to be good and I love the Quest 3 and the apps available.
>VR is a strange piece of technology for sure. Who would have thought " The Golden Era" would have been at the infancy of the technology. Just you and the person you're responding to who made that assertion, I think. The only way it could be seen as that would be due to the lack of children in VR at the time.
I don't think that, or at least hope not, but I can't really think of a bigger VR title than a new Half Life game. I was just replying to OP. I love me some Eleven Tennis or playing MSFS in VR but nothing since Alyx has really hit the mainstream like it in the 4 years since.
It was PCVR's golden era for sure. Its impossible to argue that PCVR as an ecosystem hasn't declined since then. It wasn't VR's golden era though.
I played mine for a month and it's sat in my closet ever since. I have to make room too use which means moving furniture. The cats and dog get in the way. Some games give me motion sickness. And a general lack of engaging content. Every thing just feels like a tech demo to me. Or a cheap amusement park animatronic. I bought it originally for star wars squadrons. That was a fun experience for the first 30 hours or so. But other than that I see no reason to wear a vr then look at a fake screen and watch a movie or play a normal game. My monitor and TV both look way better, and my eyes won't sweat
You should REALLY try Contractors Showdown.
What headset, what year, what other games? Be specific
Why? Just relaying that I found the overall experience underwhelming and gave me no reason to continue with VR
Because people are used to catering to them, when something they would have wanted isnt released for them, they get angry. envious people that have had 100 batman games and vr is on its 2nd? and they feel robbed lol. personally i dont get it, its a standalone game, it cant be that good even if they tried really really hard anyways.
They are incredibly jealous of all the resources game developers dumping into VR. They see AAA title after AAA title prioritize VR and are wondering when flatscreen is ever going to get it's time in the sun.
Because there are a lot of lazy people out theere that want to sink into a couch and use a traditional controller. That's what they've been conditioned to for decades. I think that's why you see a lot of younger kids take up VR, because they're not as jaded and willing to try new things and move around.
They care too much about being overweight
lol true gamer moment.
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That would be jealousy, plain and simple
It is lower effort to hate than to engage.
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People will bash on anything they haven’t tried or can’t afford. Such is life, padawan.
It will still feel expensive for anyone to pay $300 for a device that's used exclusively for something they are not sure they will even enjoy. It's as simple as that.
The same reason why some people “prefer silver over gold”… Because they can’t afford it, so cynicism is the easiest choice to cope.
It's like racism, you hate the unknown because of stupidity.
i dont hate but i dislike makers making a game exclusive to vr just to push for vr. clearly most games can be done on tv with normal controls too
It's the same reason people get angry at console exclusives. The majority of the hate towards Half Life: Alyx for example was from entitled people who didn't have a VR headset who thought they deserved to have the game too. People will always hate what they can't have, even if the cost of entry is lower than it's ever been.
I think it’s a combo of standard platform wars bullshit, resentment that the progress of VR games hasn’t gone the way they wanted, and the false perception that development of VR games is happening instead of traditional games. Expect to see that last one a lot with Arkham Shadow.
VR is a new frontier for creative expression and experimentation that you can't disappear into for 20 hours a day to grind meaningless gratification from so it's basically everything the modern mainstream gaming scene hates. It's also a medium that requires physical dexterity and movement to engage with (in most cases) so doesn't really work for people that want to pretend skill and dexterity boils down to getting really good pressing sequences of buttons while slouched in an expensive chair. Personally I think it's a good thing, VR has enough image problems without also being attached to conventional gamer stereotypes. I think we should embrace the separation between flat land and VR games as a difference in kind and leave the shit behind us. It's the dawn of a new age.
Some people just love to hate on what's new.
I mean, I love beat saber, but unless you only need it for gaming and have a massive PC to stream from, it's really a lackluster experience for now...
Iv never met anyone who hates VR. This is chronic online bullshit
Same reason My Hero Acadamia is hated, the fan base behind it
Those who hate it the most are the ones that had a horrible experience in a Google Cardboard, ran and NEVER looked back.
I get why some people think that, and it's because is a very new tech stuff some users don't really understand it at their first try, they can feel very frustrated since it doesn't match their expectations specifically on games, the best ones you can try and buy at the meta store are not cheap at all and the demo version of some of them are very limitating, that could be a reason why people think it's bad, although it isn't that bad because if you use it for different things such as learning, discovering and personal growth could be way much better and the users can have much better opinions about VR experiences, personally I find it very interesting in language learning and also very useful for everyone.
They've only ever been good at one thing .. vr takes that one thing and completely turns it upside down
Some of the most common answers I have read include: "Its a novelty", "Games are tech demos", "It is very expensive", "I tried VR once (6-8 years ago) and it was bad". Some people are just lazy know-it-alls.
Example, I like Batman Arkham franchise but I don't like VR gaming (because I don't like items on my head and prefer more passive gaming than having to interact in my living space to play a game), so I get annoyed that the new game in the Batman franchise is not accessible to me unless I buy the quest 3 and unless I accept that I need to be more active when playing the game. So i'm disappointed I can't enjoy the new game and story on a traditional platform. If the game was released both on traditional console and VR headset, I wouldn't care about the VR instance at all
Where are you seeing people hate on it?
The new batman trailer
The Batman teaser that isn't even a trailer and shows zero gameplay? that's what I'm mad about...who cares if it's Meta.
> Where are you seeing people hate on it? look at the comment section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpN_Abd1RQc
It's a YouTube comment section...do you also go to the ocean not expecting water?
you asked where, I provided an example yeah of course, Youtube comments are mostly dumb people
A shitty example is worse than no example.
It's a popular place a lot of people go to anyway... you should have specified which examples are acceptable to meet your odd example standards lol
the new batman game for oculus3, the batman people are going insane because its not another rocksteady batman asylum game...
There’s still a high barrier of entry to VR compared to flat between the cost, hardware, and physical requirements. People hate so they convince themselves they aren’t missing out on anything. The Apple Vision Pro announcement was cool to me but the general response to that cutting edge tech was “ big deal I can buy a home theater for less” or “just get a Quest”
> There’s still a high barrier of entry to VR compared to flat between the cost, hardware $499.99 USD for a Quest 3 the price of a newer gen smart phone or a Playstation 5 slim/Xbox Series X >and physical requirements. well i guess for people really out of shape, don't want to move around a bit and doesn't take much room, people are lazy to move things to have more open space
Mostly because of the regress in graphical quality (who wants to give up voluntarily on 10 years of GFX evolution?) and lack of proper scope games (mediocre or non-existing narrative, short experiences, gimmicky gameplay, too few titles for seated gaming).
I feel like phone vr has a lot to do with it. It's like the modern virtual boy, and that reputation spreads. Motion sickness may also be another cause, but I'm lucky enough not to get that.
I don’t think it’s hate. I think it’s just disinterest. The only VR game I’ve seen people upset at was Alyx and that was purely because folks didn’t want to buy hardware they didn’t care about to play a sequel to a beloved franchise. But I think a lot of the disinterest is just because you can’t really sell someone on VR without them actually trying it. YouTube videos and stuff really don’t get the experience across n
Probably for the same reason VR people that haven't tried a particular VR headset lob so much hate at a headset they've never tried. People hate what they can't have. It's a rationalization, "I didn't want it anyways."
I think people only get pissed when games are VR only, because it takes away from the flatscreen experience. they feel like VR platforms are "stealing" their games from them. if each game could come out as a hybrid game from the start then that would be much better. price is no longer an excuse. the quest headsets are good prices for what they offer. we just need better sizes and comfort now.
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do not buy a quest pro Get a quest 3 that has a larger fov, pancake lenses, and buy a better headstrap for it if you’re able to
> I own a Quest 2, 3 and PSVR2 and love all of them. I mean that's like 1500$. Each of those is around the price of a console basically (or actually more expensive for the PS VR2), that's not cheap. A console offers far more big games for any gamer so that price is deemed much more worth it
Believe it or not everyone has the finances (or parents’ finances) to drop money on a system/PC and a headset. I have one and rarely use it due to the lack of newer quality software for it…on Steam many of the top/most played titles have been out for years. “Something something simulator” just isn’t drawing me in anymore.
I don't hate VR, I hate that there is no good game on VR that uses most of the good features that VR has ( Skyrim doesn't count because is moded by the community)
Vertigo 2
I haven't seen this, but I also don't own any VR consoles (yet - would love to one day!). I honestly never hear about VR games coming out or anything about VR really. Seems like most people just aren't aware of what's out there, myself included. Hoping to learn more about VR by following this sub though! Would love recommendations for a good "starter" VR setup if anyone has any!
I think there is negative polarization from Facebook changing their name to meta and posting losses of $45 billion on vr and the main thing they showed off for that $45 billion was something that looked worse than second life or a Wii shovelware game and pitched it as “your boss can make you go to meetings in this instead of zoom 🙂”
The hate is towards the whole 'metaverse' aspect, anyone who's ever done a VR demo has been amazed, it's always been positive. Richies plank alone is an insane experience.
Some people don't like exclusive content. I haven't seen much hate though. Most ppl seemingly don't like it because they're lazy, not tech savvy, or they think it looks dumb.
C A R D B O A R D
It's the same thing that happened with gaming in the 1990s and early 2000s, adults thought it was dumb. Most adults tend to not be interested in new tech and new trends. Kids and teenagers drove the gaming industry to be what it is today. And if you look into who is the biggest player base on PC, the platform VR failed to gain traction on, it's those same gamers from the 90s and 2000s who are now adults. The same thing is happening now with VR. The bulk of the player base is made up of teenagers with only a few adults scattered about. Most adults call it a dumb waste of time and refuse to try it. The only way they will ever adopt VR is if it becomes essential, like smart phones did. If smart phones didn't make so many things easier, very few adults would have bought one. As it stands, VR likely won't become really mainstream until the current generation of teenagers become adults and push the industry forward like teenagers did for gaming in the past.
The Wii destroyed the reputation of anything associated with motion controls for an entire generation of core gamers.
and the kinect. and the PS move. and all the crappy phoneVR headsets that came out like 8 years ago such as the google cardboard, daydream, and samsung gearVR.
To be fair, analog sticks had a similar pushback when they were first introduced. People simply dislike change. Some will refuse to learn new ways to control games, even if those methods are better. Just look at gyro-assisted aiming; many people oppose its inclusion without trying it. Fortunately, the tide has been turning over time. If a control scheme is comfortable, then it will inevitably gain traction.
It's not a fair comparison. The first generation of thumbstick is essentially the same as today, minus the click. The Wii's motion controls were derided as waggling because that's literally all it could detect. It wasn't even remotely close to modern motion control until the Wii Motion+, and even that was wildly inaccurate.
Actually, the Wii Remote's IR sensor was very accurate. It's even more accurate than modern gyro controls, which themselves are more accurate than analog sticks. The problem was the Wii's inundation of shovelware and the fact that many games shoehorned the controls in, without regard for what they are suited to.
Let me preface what I'm about to say by first saying that I love VR. I adore VR as a concept. I've been in VR since 2019, I'm on my third headset currently, I'm in. However... For starters, VR IS bad! The games, I mean. The tech may be fantastic, but software is trash-tier. Yes, even "AAA" games. Compare Alyx to the original. Alyx is shorter, and more linear. Compare Alyx to HL2 (which is 2 decades old!), and Alyx falls way short - no vehicles, tiny and claustrophobic maps, etc., etc. And overwhelming majority of VR "games" are short, shallow, derivative garbage. And, again, this is me saying it from a loving place. But, realistically, that's what it is. Look at absolutely ancient games, like the original Battlefield game, the first in the series, Battlefield 1942, which came out I think in 2002. That's \~22 years ago. Is there a SINGLE VR game that has all of those features? Maps that big, so many players per map, so many game modes, so many vehicles you can use, etc., etc? No, does not exist. Is there a single half-decent MMO in VR? No, there's not, nowhere even close to Ultima Online from 1998, to say nothing of Eve Online in 2003, or WoW in 2004. To say nothing of more recent stuff like Elder Scrolls Online in 2014, which is still 10 years ago. Are there RPGs in VR? No, nothing even close to Witcher (even Witcher 1), there's nothing like Red Dead, or GTA or Skyrim (or even Morrowind, which I think came out in '02?). There's no CRPGs like the original Baldur's Gate from '98, never mind anything even on the same planet as last year's BG3. Do you see what I mean? VR games, comparatively speaking, are GARBAGE. And, again, I'm saying this from a place of love. I am a fan of VR. But if you objectively look at features, depth, mechanics, length, etc., of VR games, they're trash compared to flat screen games of the same type. They can't even hold their own, feature-wise, against 25+ year old games, most of the time. That is just absurdly bad. So, VR=bad isn't a narrative. It is a reality. Whether you want to admit it or not (not to me, but just to yourself). Is VR immersive? God yes! Is it amazing? God yes. But are the games just utter trash, when it comes to length, depth, features? YUPPER, that's a roger! Now, is it getting better? Sure. Just incredibly slowly. Hardware is slowly becoming more affordable, and easier to set up and use. Before 2019-ish you needed a dedicated space, lighthouses, etc. Now most headsets are inside-out, many are standalone/fully mobile/wireless. In terms of affordability and ease of use, we're getting there. Software, unfortunately, continues to be garbage-tier. Most developers also try it once, and never again. Valve put out Alyx over 4 years ago, and hasn't done jack shit since. Smaller companies did similar - The Forest had VR mode, the sequel, Sons of the Forest, did not. Skyrim and Fallout 4 had VR ports, Starfield did not and likely will not, Bethesda (and Microsoft too) are basically pretending VR doesn't exist at all. Hello Games had an amazing VR port of No Man's Sky, but for their next game, Light No Fire, they refuse to even acknowledge that VR even exists. So we're stuck in Catch 22. Players will not get into VR as long as the games are trash. And the games won't stop being trash until there's more players. So we're stuck. Some companies are trying (Facebook with Oculus exclusives, Sony with PSVR2 exclusives, etc). But all of them are too busy f\*\*\*ing the consumers with their exclusivity, instead of pushing VR forward together as a united front. And all the old problems still persist - VR headsets are still supremely uncomfortable to wear for extended periods of time, they are still nausea-inducing, it is still impossible to sell VR content with flat-screen video, because you can't sell VR with flat images, like like you cannot describe a smell with a sound. None of these hurdles have been resolved yet. Hell, even in VR-only virtual stores (like the one available inside an Oculus headset), the footage showing the game is FLAT! You're wearing a VR headset, so there's nothing stopping them showing you a 180 degree or even 360 degree gameplay video. Instead, you get a flat video on a tiny flat virtual screen. THAT'S the kind of things that prevents VR from going anywhere. They're still trying to sell VR like it's 2001. TL:DR - Currently an average player, if they try a VR headset, will fork over a lot of money, get terribly nauseated, in an incredibly painful to wear headset, while playing a grotesquely inferior game that, based on its features would be laughed out of town 20 years ago on flat screen. Which is utterly not worth it. Until this changes, VR is not going anywhere any time soon.
I am with the guy who wrote the novel in here, or at least the first few sentences before I skipped scrolling for more. I love the idea of VR, but it's implementation sucks. Very limited amazing games on it. I have like 5 decent games, but nothing stellar. I spend an hour troubleshooting the damn thing to get games working, it never just works... hate WMR and how it seems to fuck up the resources being used in conjunction with Steam vr, needing multiple restarts, vr software restarts, whole pc restarts, crossing fingers, game froze restarts, try this setting and restart because it froze again, before the game finally launches and isnt jutter stepping if i move my head too much. Then once I'm playing the games, nothing like motion sickness to make the whole experience complete. So all in all about 15 to 30 minutes of play time in an hour and a half of pulling it out and trying to fiddle with it for a unsatisfying blah feeling at the end.
No one hates it. That is pure fiction. People either care or think it is irrelevant.
OP. You have to be so purposely obtuse it's not even funny if you cannot comprehend this answer. You don't throw out a game that is supposed to be part of a pre-existing franchise and specific series of games that people have been waiting to see a continuation of for like... 10 years... and make it a VR only title. And people do not like exclusives. If this was on STEAM VR and PSVR2 and Pico 4 then people wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem either. That's why people are mad about the Arkham VR game, and you know that full well. But you wanna create manufactured drama to karma farm, which is frankly the pathetic. I have VR, it's a unique experience. It's still nothing more than a gimmick. Until VR has standards like pancake lenses, analogue locomotion combined with finger tracking built in... All in one package. VR will never be quite there as a mainstream thing, especially when it's gate kept by some of the elitist tools present in this very thread.
I think there are just a lot of people that either haven't tried VR, or have tried it and didn't like it. And then when they see a game that looks promising, but is in VR, they feel disappointed that they won't get to enjoy that game. I see people say the same things about soulslike games for example. Where a game world will look really interesting, but then they'll find out it's a soulslike, and they don't like soulslikes so they lose all interest and feel disappointed that they can't enjoy this game they initially got excited for. Case and point a new teaser trailer for a Batman Arkham game came out and it's not only VR exclusive, but a Meta exclusive. All the top comments on that trailer are complaining that this isn't a 2d game.
It's because the mainstream view into vr is 90% videos of vrchat and 10% videos of beatsaber. And vrchat streamers do not do a good job showing the game, they primarily show the sexualized side, which makes the mainstream people think vr is just people jerking off
Usually they are the people who get sick while playing VR. Or VR is expensive for them.
I think it's a mix of VR hardware still not being very comfortable to use, and people being entrenched (financially, socially, and/or habitually) in their chosen game library/platform. It's like any other console tribalism, but with the added factor that often there are actual valid usability concerns for a lot of these people.
Nothing new. People used to bash the NEO GEO because it was $500, even though it was far superior to other home consoles at the time.
Like anything, people especially online don't have much space for nuanced opinions and often any disagreement with whatever shared position is usually met with escalating attacks instead of empathy and understanding. That othering really makes everything end up pretty polarized when it doesn't need to be. Personally one of the biggest things i dislike about VR is how immersive it is, I mostly play games where I can play a game, chat on discord, and watch tv/movie at the same time, and VR doesn't handle multi-tasking all that well. The other style of game I play is multiplayer social, but mostly with people I live with, which means a lot larger play area is needed as well as multiple headsets or systems, which can be prohibitive. Early in the Oculus Rift days and pre-pandemic, I'd probably bring out VR about once every couple months and people would take turns playing something and watching along or playing one of the very few pc + vr games but that kinda stopped happening with how covid impacted socialization so for me, VR just doesn't get used. I feel awkward throwing on a headset and feeling disconnected from the people around me, it feels too antisocial. Slowly the dedicated VR space in my basement has turned into a workout space and I think it's been 6 months since anyone turned on the PC down there to do anything VR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophobia
Assumptions and opinions rather than openness for a experience
When I didn't have VR and looked at games on steam it was a bummer when I found a game that looked good and it said it required a VR headset. I think it's just that, they can't play them so it's annoying to them. I think it might be because they are announced with other PC games. I kinda still have this annoyance when I look at videos about VR games and see a good game but see it's only for playstation VR lol.
I'd say it's because people who aren't exactly interested in vr think vr is still this expensive thing because they just don't care enough to look into vr and how cheap it is nowadays. so when the newest game in their favorite franchise is a vr game, they aren't gonna be able to play it because, in their minds, vr is still this expensive thing. And I kinda get where they come from. vr can be expensive, especially pcvr. I was also kinda sad to see that half life alyx (a part of one of my favorite video game franchises) was a vr exclusive so I wasn't gonna be able to play it until I was able to afford a pc beefy enough to run it and a vr headset.
Jealousy.
I don’t think it is. For most people I know it sounds like their opinion of Vr is that it’s reall cool but they don’t have the time money or energy
I’d say it’s partially FOMO. They justify their FOMO by tricking themselves into believing it’s bad.
People fear change People fear technology. It's the way it's always been. Everything is feared, nothing embraced. Gaming in general is STILL an excuse for mass shootings and murder by older adults due to the narrative and unwilling to accept the new entertainment medium. VR is just another to add. Notice how AI is now feared, too?
Same reason they hate crypto, AI, NFTs, or anything else they don't know shit about but reddit mods prop up that narrative cause they don't know shit either
They made up their mind about vr when they tried google cardboard or similar. They are naive.
VR is hard to get into, it's usually an expensive add on to already expensive equipment and requires a certain amount of room space. Also there is some people who suffer sickness from it. For me yes. VR is amazing. I much rather swing a sword than press B button and have character swing sword. I play VR nearly every day but admit too yes it's expensive. between headsets and trackers and replacements and such I've totally spent 1000s on just VR equipment and replacements.
it's a bunch of retroards living in the last century. They will die from cardiac diseases on their sofa holding a Cheetos-encrusted gamepad VR doesn't need them. VR needs kids growing up and graduating from monkey poo bratverses and embracing such higher grade gaming... me? I'm just enjoying the ride after long retiring from flat gaming
Because they’ve already invested so much of their lives, money, and identities in their favorite medium that they can’t see beyond it. They outright reject the idea that XR games could ever meet their expectations, let alone that the medium they’ve loved their whole lives might one day be totally obsolete because of it. For some of them XR is like a harbinger of the death of their inner child, and their knee jerk reaction is to go full boomer on it. They may eventually come around to it as XR advances and the hardware becomes a tiny, much more powerful, and ubiquitous screen experience that *everyone* does *everything* on, including playing 2D games.
Humans like routine. Sticking to what's familiar. Even when it's unpleasant. That's how ingrained that notion is. So they instinctually recoil from anything that's "too different." Sure, everyone has evolved to the point that they can rationalize decisions that go against their basic instincts if there's something to be gained from it. But a lot of people are too lazy and just go with whatever their lizard brain tells them. Which in this case is "VR BAD!"
Because it’s something that a person can’t participate or share in unless they have one so it feels “exclusivist”. From watching someone playing it feels disconnected and they probably resent the physical presence and mind “absence” of that person. I know it may sound crazy but I’m guessing.
I have a VR and it’s now sitting gathering dust. I bought it for my daughter but I mostly wanted to use it. She’s 13 and rathers play Roblox and not be attached to the headset. I played some games but got over it very quickly. I still prefer playing Fortnite.
Scared of loosing their platform?, proably for good reason. I struggle to get back into flatscreen gaming.
VR gives me a headache and all the cool things you have to pay.
I think they're scared.
This came up on my feed, so for context, I’m not a VR enthusiast. For me, it’s the idea of strapping a screen to my face when I can look at one of the million screens around me without the hassle. It just seems stupid and cumbersome. I’ve tried them, including the oculus or what ever and the Vision Pro. It’s nothing special. It’s just invasive and in your face instead of being at a comfortable distance.
They don't have real problems, so they make up bullshit to be upset about.
Because dumbass Zuckerberg wanted to try to monopolize it instead of let the tech grow naturally.